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What will be Obama's undoing--that he's a grownup?? Not paying attention to the rantings of a right wing uneducated hack??

Some of us actually LIKE that in our elected leaders.

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Yes we do! Why are the republics so anti-education? Don't they remember the shrub?

Glenn Beck represents the smelly animals in a circus whom have lost their direction as free-independent-thinking individuals whom will not allow their RIGHT as Americans to be taken from them by a political-hack ENTERTAINER who make large amounts of money mis-leading the sheep of our land. Beck-is-a-clown, and the large number of Tea Party Sippers-types --who are NOT civil and open-minded--are the unrelenting culprits in a show that will go nowhere and is-not-worth paying to see. Beck is no more than a sly, unprofessional, user-pimp prostituting the gullible American people.

spider-737231
Ah, AP1414066, what is it about you libs that deludes you into thinking that anyone who disagrees with you must be "uneducated". For instance, I disagree with you, and probably have more education than you ever will.

Maybe. However, the idea that you have more education than AP1414066 is still speculative, isn't it? So you offer no more proof of your superior education than he/she does; yet here you are making the same unsubstantiated claim you're complaining that AP is.

Real Rick:

I don't need to prove anything; I'm not the big mouth putting people down for their supposed lack of education!

We'll have 500,000,,,,,,,,No, 300,000,,,,,,,,,No 150,000,,,,,,,,No 100,000,,,,,OK, Maybe some people will come to the Glenn Beck Rally,,,,,,,,,Finally it came down to claiming "tens of thousands" Hahahaha

Whats not to ignore? Beck is a fool, Palin is a scam artist (and not a very good one)

You need to pay more attention, Bo - last I heard attendance estimates were in the 250~300k range.

--->AP1414066, what is it about you libs that deludes you into thinking that anyone who disagrees with you must be "uneducated". For instance, I disagree with you, and probably have more education than you ever will.<---

Then there is the consideration of "well" educated vs "badly" educated. Quality trumps quantity every time, son.

Actually quantity always trumps quality when it comes to elections finnegans. Remember that and the more uneducated liberals keep running their mouths the more they lose the important voters. You know the massive quanitity of independants that can't stand a thing liberals say anymore.

There were only an estimated 87,000 attendees at Beck's rally: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

Beck's followers are learning a lot from him, especially how to lie.

If this will be the president's "undoing," he's got a lot more sense than I thought he had when I voted for him! Wow! Shows he didn't come from Ghana...There, the sheep all run in the same direction!

Not paying attention to the rantings of a right wing uneducated hack??

Well, the quite liberal NY Times claims that these "right wing uneducated hacks" are more educated than those of the far left. Point is past presidents that failed to listen to the "minority and uneducated fell hard. Just consider LBJ, Nixon and Carter. History hasn't been to kind in remembrance of their service. In 25 years, the same will be said of Obama.

Millions of Americans?? They could of held the Beck Rally in a Middle School Gymnasium and still had extra seating

Jimsoutlook - You quote a CBS source? Get someone without a dog in the hunt. If you had looked at the t.v. even you could have seen there were way more than 87k there. That might have been the line to the Port-a-Potty, where CBS fishes out most of their facts.

Retired - Not a fan of Bush/Cheney. Did you somehow get that from my post?

Just because someone has serious concerns about Obama and his program does not mean they are in synch with the opposite political entity.

B0

MSNBC estimated 300,000. If you saw the pic on MSNBC you would unfortunately have to agree.

Porkbevr, Beck has trained you well boy. Take undeniable facts and either ignore them or twist them around to make you feel better. You keep "drinking that kool-aid" Pork, remember ignorance is bliss.

This will be Obama's undoing?.....DREAM ON!!!!!!!! With Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin in charge, all you have is mass confusion and Sarah Palin will quit half way through.. DREAM ON ,you clueless Republicants......................................

NohopeandIkeepthechange, you're wrong (or lying like Beck). Beck had a permit for 300,000, but that's not how many showed up. Please send me the link to MSNBC where it says the actual attendance was estimated at 300,000.

Please send me the link to MSNBC where it says the actual attendance was estimated at 300,000.

Here you go. The Ny Times quotes NBC as saying 300,000 in attendance. By the way NBC owns MSNBC. Just thought I'd clue you in on that!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html?_r=2

Hope and change.

I am with you Mr. President 100%.......My prayers are with you, your family and your administration....I know we americans are in a bad economy shape; I just praying WE all make it through this....Take care .

Ignoring the American people is nothing new.

Why wouldn't the President avoid fat-boy Beck and the American hating miscreants who showed up to urinate on America at the Lincoln Monument. Those were the same people who probably had "W" stickers on their cars in 2000 and 2004 and helped drive the country off the cliff in 8 years. Remember, Obama INHERITED this s**t-storm from 8 years of a Republican in the Oval Office. Those miscreants aren't the voice of America, they're the voice of the malcontents at Faux News. They should find a REAL news channel, like MSNBC for example.

Good for Obama. Beck has made it his career to rub Obama's name through the dirt. He call's him every name in the book, the best thing to do with an idiot is to ignore him. We should all just ignore the Beck drones that won't listen to sound facts but rather messages of fear and hate. Beck isn't about uniting the country, he is about preaching to right wing crazy people that apparently have nothing better or more constructive to do.

f-14 veteran ~

At least Obama is out there facing problems rather than hiding behind a computer talking trash to people he doesn't know like yourself. And your comment about Bill Ayers, so much for your christian values about forgiveness and redemption, I guess you pick and choose what you believe from your faith.

Obama is ignoring the economy, small business, and the middle class in general....why shouldn't he ignore Glenn Beck too?

Facing problems? Are you kidding me? All he has done for the last 11 days is face the Atlantic Ocean while on another vacation.

spider-737231

I don't need to prove anything; I'm not the big mouth putting people down for their supposed lack of education!

You're not? Really? So when you say to AP1414066 that you probably "have more education than you ever will" you're humbly self-deprecating? Is that how that works?

You call Beck's high school diploma being "highly educated"?? So let me get this straight...all it takes to be a leader fo tens of thousands now is to obtain a 9th grade education, shill for gold coins, and claim God is behind your political party?? Sadder than I thought.

Risha said of f14 veteran:

At least Obama is out there facing problems rather than hiding behind a computer talking trash to people he doesn't know like yourself

First of all Risha, it is highly likely that this individual faced more problems on one mission than you will face in your lifetime. He is a veteran fighter pilot for God sakes.

Secondly, being a military veteran hardly classifies one as "hiding".

Thirdly, veterans have made it possible for blogs like this to even exist.

Like it or not he has earned the right to post! So, show some respect!

Rereading your quote, I think it is you describing yourself as the one hiding and trash talking.

Oh please. I'm a veteran of 22 years in the military and I hardly think that my time in the service "made it possible for blogs like this to even exist.", or that I or any other veteran has "earned the right to post!" any more than anyone else. Sometimes the "I love our troops!" stuff is just embarrassing.

Wish the media would IGNORE the clown also!

he didn't say that...the headline is wrong...read the Presidents comments.

"You can't reason a man out of a belief he didn't reason himself into"...

Best quote for our times. Obama could single-handedly fix the economic situation, give us a booming economy, and cure cancer and the Beck-o-phites out there will still find something to carp on him about. Let's face it... how can you change someone's mind when it is closed to everything but hating you?

jimsoutlook

Porkbevr, Beck has trained you well boy. Take undeniable facts and either ignore them or twist them around to make you feel better. You keep "drinking that kool-aid" Pork, remember ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance is bliss? Sorta like you telling Pork to continue to drink kool-aid when the term "kool-aid" is a liberal term, not a conservative term. Brilliant! LOL

LOLOLOL just like the rest of the majority of Americans. I'm sure that comment " I Ignore them" will spin them in circles for days. Shame that the media doesn't IGNORE them. But media LOVES drama and emotional BS.

The level of hate from liberals on this vine is just astounding. From the SAME people that demand tolerance, that accuse everyone that doesn't agree with them of being haters, comes the true hate. Just as the true racists are liberals - the 20% of the country that still sees color when most everyone else attempts to ignore color. What's the problem, if color is ignored, then your white guilt doesn't get soothed by treating minorities not as equals, but as helpless incompetents that can't do for themselves? If everyone IS truly equal, then your victimology falls apart?

Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.

It's fairly obvious none of you actually listened to anything Beck said at the rally. Not a word of it.

Another curious liberal trait: Don't bother with facts, just pick up on whatever MediaMatters has to say and run with it. Yes, several people on this vine are quoting DIRECTLY from MediaMatters. You mistakenly seem to think that ONLY liberals read the drek on MediaMatters.

One of two things can be deduced from this: either they - as I said - did not listen to a single word of Beck's speech and are content with spouting nonsense just because MM said so, OR they're not clever enough to analyze it for themselves.

Hmmmmm, Lets see, Im sitting in a group of 8 fellow employees. 2 of them Michigan grads, followed by Purdue, Mich state, Ohio State, Kansas and Texas A&M and one Western Mich grad. Im the Chief Network Engineer, for my global manf. company. Im not going to compare salaries with them I know their pay grades, Im at a higher level. Does this mean i have to give my GED back? God please say I can keep it, you liberals as at best mildly amusing. My grandfather was in the second battalion ashore at Guadalcanal and Iwo. He went on to become a very respected and wealthy man. I am mildly amused by you people at times. I do have to say one more thing, My neighbor Tennessee grad was a tenured teacher with a MBA in education. She taught for 35 years 6th grade, she was forced out of teaching because they said she makes too much for their budget. A very nice woman she has found a new job suitable for her education, I saw her last week driving the beverage cart where I play golf. Amazing what a MBA can do for you. P.S. yesterday we were watching Mr Beck (ps I thought he was extremely reserved ) and she asked me where he was speaking. I laughed and said someplace important. But she had to go to work, those golfers were going to be thirsty.

I did not ignore the T-Bag Rally.

They certainly clean up well! Apparently they were ordered not to do signs or guns. I did not see even one evil-spirited sign or gun.

Good for them and Beck! Hopefully this is a create a change in hatefulness.

Doris, look in the mirror for the hate.

YOU hate the tea party, they don't hate you.

The question I have is, why do you hate the tea party? Are you afraid? GOOD.

No I dont think ignoring this clown will be anybody's undoing. Try watching the Daily show with Jon Stewart. He makes Glen Beck look like the fool he is every day.

Oh please. I'm a veteran of 22 years in the military and I hardly think that my time in the service "made it possible for blogs like this to even exist.", or that I or any other veteran has "earned the right to post!" any more than anyone else. Sometimes the "I love our troops!" stuff is just embarrassing.

Sam, you must have served under the US Coast Guard or Merchant Marines and never put boots on the ground with the rest of us in places like Panama, Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan. No freedom existed before we got there, son and in the case of Somalia it still doesn't exist.

If you weren't on dingy then what Airforce and wing were you attached or What Army, Corps, Division and Brigade were you attached, son?

OOh lets go play army. You are full of yourself.

Have you ever seen so many middle-aged, obese, angry white people in one place before? From what I could see on video, the ONLY non-white was MLK's deluded niece. This is a very good example of why I don't call myself a Christian, in spite of the fact I study Christ's words and try to live like Him. God save us from these mean-spirited, hate-filled people who call themselves Christians. I didn't see anybody at that rally doing anything even remotely Christ-like. Jesus taught us to love one another, to help the poor, and not to cast stones. Everything I saw or heard at this rally was exactly the opposite.

I am proud of my duly elected President for choosing to see to my country's business, rather than wasting time listening to misguided, poorly informed people denouncing him.

Do you suppose that's the same 20% who are convinced the sun goes around the earth?....According to a 1999 survey of Americans this is true.

How much stock should we put in these fools?

Really? That was your come back? Very weak man. Next time try something that actually relates to the comment.

My sentiments exactly. The people I truly feel for are our fellow Americans whom can be fooled by the likes of Beck, Palin, Rush-the-Doper and an array of the rest.

Funny how you call Rush a doper but never even mention the fact that YOUR president was also a drug user?

Yeah, he had a single blunt in his mouth a couple decades ago and became President of the United States of America. Man what a &%$#-bag, right? Lol, remember when YOUR President had his daddy get him out of Vietnam, almost destroy the economy, bring us to war with Iraq again for false reasons, destroy the huge surplus we had from the Clinton administration, and destroy all international good will we had from our own allies? HAHA...yeah....

That "single blunt" sure left a big white ring around his nose. I guess you never read his book.........

There never was a Cliton surplus. It was money he took from Soc. Sec. and replaced with I.O.U.'s, just more accounting smoke & mirrors.

The rest of your rant doesn't deserve comment.

@ShadowSkill

Clinton smoked grass once. Bush is a cocaine addict (and his mommy told him to "Just say no")

I don't really care about Clinton having a little under the desk fun. I could have cared less if he was smoking a fat joint while he did it. He was a very good President. I like the man on many levels.

Bush was just like all the other crack heads. Ignorant. You are so right about how his Party of No buddies put us in this sad shape. Now Beck and Palin want to show American how much the Republicans care about God and Afro Americans. Woo Hoo.. Give me a party hat! I wanna make tea.

My hat is off to President Obama, he is an outstanding man and true American. I appreciate that he has made decisions that he knew were not popular but did what he knew was the right thing to do. That shows integrity. Something Beck and Palin will never have.

God Bless you Mr.President!

20%?? Where are you getting your numbers? Do you know that it's actually the other way around? It's 21% of the population describe themselves as "liberal", 40% as "Conservative" and 38% "independent" or "moderate"? That is from a Gallup poll in January 2009. So the millions and millions of people who watch and listen to Beck and who gravitate toward Palin only makes up 20%? I don't think so. Only 20% of the nation watches Fox news and that small percentage is making it the highest rated news channel in the country? This is wishjful thinking on your part. It's the "independents", you know the one's who actually elected Obama, who are the ones turning from him and dems in record numbers now. People are now openly admitting they made a mistake electing dems 1st in 2006 to take Congress and then again in 2008 electing Barry to office. The dems have again shown they can NOT be trusted with power. I think it will be a LONG TIME until the dems have control again! Thank you dems for so quickly showing everyone what liberal, progressive, Marxist control freaks look like. We patriots appreciate it!

Bush is a cocaine addict (and his mommy told him to "Just say no")

Bush was just like all the other crack heads. Ignorant

My hat is off to President Obama, he is an outstanding man and true American. I appreciate that he has made decisions that he knew were not popular but did what he knew was the right thing to do. That shows integrity. Something Beck and Palin will never have

Well if you actually had read Obama's autobiography and memiors you would know that he was a coke head too (he said he did coke because of racism, LOL!). He said it about himself in the book. So, to use your sense of logic and I quote, " Just like all the other crack heads. Ignorant."

LMAO, You really have to hand it to liberals, boy. They sure do know how to structure an argument, LOL!

kpokeefe you distort and make up what was in the book. Go buy it or if you have it already stop lying about what's in it.

Well,

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday, August 30th shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve (think he's wonderful) of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12

Obama is right on the heels of Sarah Palin!

J. Richter

kpokeefe you distort and make up what was in the book. Go buy it or if you have it already stop lying about what's in it.

Really? Ok, here you go! Right out of the book "Dreams of My fathers".

Here's the passage from his book, Dreams from My Father, where he discusses his drug use:

"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though—Mickey, my potentional intiator had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that. Said he could do it blindfolded, but he was shaking like a faulty engine when he said it. Maybe he was just cold; we were standing in a meat freezer in the back of the deli where he worked, and it couldn't have been more than twenty degrees in there. But he didn't look like he was sweating, his face shiny and tight. He had pulled out the needle and the tubing, and I'd looked at him standing there, surrounded by big slabs of salami and roast beef, and right then an image popped into my head of an air bubble, shiny and round like a pearl, rolling quietly through a vein and stopping my heart... Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd be headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn't been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then anyway. I got just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn't make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmmate's sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you'd met at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl.

Nobody asked you whether your father was a fat-cat executive who cheated on his wife or some laid-off joe who slapped you around whenever he bothered to come home. You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of dissaffection. And if the high didn't solve whatever it was that was getting you down, it could at least help you laugh at the world's ongoing folly and see through all the hypocrisy and bull@!$%# and cheap moralism.

Thats how it had seemed to me then anyway. It had taken a couple of years before I saw how fates were beginning to play themselves out, the difference that color and money made after all, in who survived, how soft or hard the landing when finally fell. Of course, either way, you need some luck. That's what Pablo lacked, mostly, not having his driver's license that day, a cop with nothing better to do than check the trunk of his car. Or Bruce, not finding his way back from too many bad acid trips and winding up in a funny farm. Or Duke not walking away from the car wreck..."

In high school, Obama, according to his yearbook photo, was part of the "Choom Gang." Chooming was Hawaiian slang for smoking pot.

There you go. he used drugs, pot and cocaine! Period! Richter, watch who and what you accuse as distorting. You lose credibility when presented with the facts!

How about ending one horrifically unnecessary war and winding down another? How about staving off a real economic disaster and having the guts to continue and enlarge the TARP program George Bush began? oh and the little thing about the first ever health care plan this country has ever, ever had the guts to pass. FINALLY...an adult in the white house.

No, it's balancing the budget and seeing that our children get a good education.

Try the debt of Reagan, 12 years of Bush. And, oh, people forgot to mention our "small businesses" would be doing much better putting folks TO WORK if-they-could-get the small business loas the GOP are blocking. My how people can ignor the facts when they are diametrically oppose to someone in office--especially whence they-are-brainwashed!

See, the thing that bothers me is that these people keep saying things like "destroying job growth with ever-increasing costs against small business?" That is not the truth and saying it destroys any semblance of credibility you might otherwise have. Obama is trying to give break after break and incentive after incentive to small businesses, and when the loud conservative voices keep saying he is trying to destroy small businesses, instead of fact checking, you jump right on the bandwagon. Boehner and McConnell say letting the Bush tax cuts expire will destroy small businesses, they neglect to mention that most small business owners would not be affected because they make less than $250,000. Only about 20% of small business owners make more than that and many of them include other income. I guess people only absorb information that is consistent with their worldview, and don't bother to check if it is factual.

Oh Heartlight - one more thing. Right now, my small business is an S-corp. With a 35% top personal tax rate, it's cheaper and easier to leave my business as an S-corp and pass through the net business profits to my personal 1040. But at a 39.6% top personal tax rate, that ceases to be the case.

So all I have to do to avoid the siting of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts is reorganize as a C-corp on Jan 1 and pay myself $249,999.99 or less. Poof! There went your increased tax revenues!

Even better yet, I can pay myself much less that that the next year or two and qualify for all the wonderful stimulus tax credits, child credits, etc. while they're available.

Simple-minded, idealistic, naive liberal solutions to complex real world problems rarely work out very well, do they?

VA Guy - I am happy that your small business provides you with more income than $250,000 per year. I am also a small business owner, and I and most other small business owners to not make that much. It seems that you already have figured out how to avoid the consequences of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts which the Republicans voted for when they voted for the tax cuts in the first place. You were all aware that the tax cuts were set up to expire in 10 years, so this can't be a surprise.

Heartlight - My small business won't provide me with that much income this year, you're missing my point entirely. I have a longer term view, and am concerned what these massive new initiatives will do 10, 15 or 20 years down the road.

And there is a fundamental difference between a business owner's own personal income (i.e., their own personal wages) and the retained profits they don't take personally, but that they leave in their business to pay down debt and provide working capital, yet have to report on their personal 1040 (and pay taxes on them). When you spoke of the $250,000 threshold to trigger the higher Obama taxes, you fail to mention an exceptionally important point - it encompasses THE SUM OF THE BUSINESS OWNER'S REAL PERSONAL INCOME AND PROFITS THEY RETAIN WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS AND DON'T TAKE PERSONALLY. It is a very common liberal obfuscation strategy to make it sound like Obama's tax increases only hit people whose personal income is greater than $250,000, so it isn't surprising to see it again from you.

You misleadingly speak of a small business owner not getting hit unless they have more than $250,000 in personal income. Nothing is further from the truth. The truth is that when the sum of a business owner's personal wages plus the retained earnings they keep in their company to grow jobs and increase it's economic strength exceeds $250,000, they are slapped with higher taxes. A very major difference.

A viable business needs sufficient cash reserves to provide working capital. And it has to pay down debt in this environment too. The cash has to either come from profits or equity investment - and the easiest way is to get it from profits. Increasing taxes in the current environment is precisely the wrong move at the wrong time.

Remember, per Obama in 2008 the Bush tax cuts were going to expire after the recovery was firmly established - what happened to that? Shouldn't no recovery = no tax increases, per Obama's promises?

Oh and heartlight - It isn't that hard to legally shelter my business's future income from the Obama tax increases, as you point out. Good for me.

The bigger issue here is that it's so easy for me and presumably the other owners in my category of small businesses at the top end who would otherwise bear the brunt of the tax increase to simply sidestep the increases. So can you libs explain again exactly how this is going to increases tax revenues, because I'm not seeing it. All it is going to do is waste time and money on lawyers and accountants and a lot of LLC's, S-Corps and Proprietorships switching over the C-corps.

VAGuy and Heartlight3, Congratulations on owning your own small businesses; I really admire and envy this; however, since I am too chicken to take the chances, work 80 hours a week for at least 3-5 years and maybe make a go of it, my envy is isn't real (my self-awareness is). In truth, I tried and failed after leaving the military (1976); it didn't make it and my new bride would have none of the chances. Today, I am too old to go through that. I only mention these things for background so that you understand that I can truly empathize with the plight of small business owner/operators.

I have had several contacts with other small business owners, such as yourselves, and they have explained to me how the tax laws allow them some, shall we say, "perks." Like the owner who leased his car and home for about a dollar a year each so that all expenses, including purchase/loans, could be tax write-offs. I have never been able to do this. There was another bar owner who bragged about his trip to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, including a river cruise on the Delta Queen. He inquired about a bar for sale and wrote off the entire trip. I have never been able to do this either.

Your second comment got me thinking, VAGuy, as you stated that with a higher tax bracket you would just adjust your income to less than $250K, thus nullifying the tax increase. How, exactly, does this jive with your earlier comment?

Small business owners, many of which report their net business profits they leave in their companies as personal income on their tax returns, artificially making them look like "wealthy Americans" when they aren't.

It may only seem inconsistent. You also stated:

How do small businesses generate profits: LOW TAXES, REGULATORY AND LEGISLATIVE CERTAINTY!

Do you think that working-class folks, like myself, face any type of certainty when GDP is growing, Corporate profits reported to the SEC show net profits, yet we keep on facing increasing chances of layoff? You are not alone in uncertainty, my friend! Millions of people who never owned a business feel greater uncertainty than you will (if your allusion that you make >$250K/year are true).

Finally, you (VAGuy) state:

STOP WITH THE SPENDING BINGE

I suppose that you mean government, since both consumers and industry have stopped spending. I wonder, as a business owner who makes a living off of real life economics, how you think a substantial decrease in GDP by balanced government budgets would actually help the overall economy. I always thought that the economy was good when spending was strong enough to produce growth without inflation (CPI>GDP increase). At least, that is what they taught in the classroom of Micro and Macro Economics. If nobody spends money, don't both of you go broke? As for me, I would never think to ask my boss to reduce my salary so that I can make more money; it simply doesn't have any common sense.

I was just wondering...

Grumpy John,

Good points, I appreciate your reply. I didn't mean to hold myself above you or imply you don't face uncertainty. I get that everyone is in the same boat of massive uncertainty, and appreciate your comments.

My point though is that different people manage uncertainty differently. Right now, I manage it by paying down debt and not hiring people. You probably do something different.

There are plenty of people in all walks of life who've abused the tax code - not just the examples you mention. And please understand that businesses hire people to make profits.

Yeah Josh, we'll be repaying the debt that George W. Bush gave us for 3 or 4 generations courtesy of the "War of Lies"..........................

And considering Obama is tripling that debt in 18 months has no concerns for you? why< because he is "your" guy?

VAGuy: Yes, I do understand the profit realities. I strive very hard to make my employment profitable to my employer (a privately held Corporation by a small group of individuals - <50 employees). And, oh, I know that there are massive amounts of people who manipulate the tax code. If you are good with numbers (I am and I presume that business people generally are), I would recommend the "Consumer Expenditure Survey" conducted by the government every year (it is easily googled). In the long list of items in several different wage brackets, there is a Total Income row and a Federal Taxes row. When I used the standard formulas to come with the "real" tax brackets (on average for each income group), I was amazed. The top group, in 2009, paid about 4.8% of, on average, over $250,000. Those in my wage group (I need to offer this) paid, on average, 0.16%. I find this amazing since I paid a little over 8% last year. I must be missing something in the 1040 Instructions!!! ;-)

What bothers me most, are the profitable corporations that pay 0% to support the country that made them. What bothers me, also, are the CEO's, hiding behind "fiduciary responsibility" to avoid "civic responsibility". There is enough available capital (about $2 Trillion at last announcement) to solve many of the economic problems in these groups (without placing the load on small business, as usual), but they refuse to hedge because they don't like Democrats, or Obama, or some other useless, damned, excuse.

ckaster,

And considering Obama is tripling that debt in 18 months has no concerns for you?

Considering that the national debt was over $13 Trillion on Inauguration Day, where are you getting your numbers from? I thought that the 10-15% increase was HUGE, but now that you have given me some comparison, its not that bad after all. Thanks for making me see the error of my ways; now, can you possibly see the error of your ways?

Basically what we have here is bush ordered the Dom and the lobster, then ran out stiffing us with the dinner tab - and now they're all complaining what an expensive meal it is President Obama has to pay for...

Ya dummies, sooner or later we have to pay for this stuff...and last we checked, it's later...where were you 5 years ago? If you were screaming like you say you were, why wasn't it as loud and annoying as it is today? Hmmmmm?

Oh the brilliance and sheer ignorance of the right wing!

VAGuy- You hit the nail on the head, Bro.... God bless you.

I hate to be the one to burst "The One's" bubble but he is making decisions that are not only no good for this generation of people and future generations yet to come, but decisions that are not good for this country, not now nor every.

I don't know how much more clear Obama could have been when he said those things, that he doesn't care what the majority of Americans want or need. He doesn't care if he creates jobs, in fact he hopes he can destroy more jobs so he can make people more dependent than ever on "Uncle Obama." That his goal is to "remake this great country of ours" (as was his campaign promise) by destroying he very fabric that has built it and made grow and prosper, the American Free Enterprise System.

His Obamacare is but one example of what we didn't want, need or could not afford. If it had actually done something positive for the cost of health care that would have been one thing. However health care costs are still rising and Obamacare can do nothing about it and in fact has caused at least some of it. Health care companies are a "for profit" business. As such, the are going to find a way to make a profit. Can't deny someone coverage because of a pre-existing condition? No problem charge the a higher rate or increase the rates of everyone to make up for the lost profit, problem solved. Can't put a life time cap limit on coverage or drop someone because they get very sick (especially someone who is slowly committing suicide.) No problem increase their rates or the rates of everyone. Once again problem solved and Obamacare law complied with. Tax medical devices? No problem pass along the cost to the insurance company who passes it along to the consumers.

Cap and Trade that keeps reappearing under a different name? We all know it is a scam that will do little to nothing to decrease our dependence on fossil fuels, but will for a fact increase the cost of most everything associated with the use of fossil fuels. Once again everyone will feel the negative financial effects of this bill when (not if) it is rammed down our throats. However despite what Obama may tell people it is the consumers who will feel the effects the most. Not the producers of energy or products or even the power and gas companies, because they will simply pass along the cost to the consumers in order to maintain their profit margin.

GM (Government Motors as some like to call it) recently bragged about paying back the government loan 7 year early. How many know how they accomplished this while at the same time losing money each quarter? The did it by taking out a TARP loan to pay off the first loan and they got the TARP loan by agreeing to make the VOLT a care that cost $42K and goes a whopping 40 miles between charges, because Obama wanted it. They did this knowing they were facing stiff competition from Nissan who's car goes 100 miles between charges and cost $10K less. How long do you figure it will be before GM is needing another loan with Obama ruining the show behind the scenes and this kind of business logic?

I am willing to bet that Obama's vow to no let the residence of the Gulf Coast down is an empty promise. I am saying this because no matter how much of our tax dollars he spends on the oil clean up, it will continue to come back until nature itself cleans it and there is not a damn thing Obama can do but throw money at it. He will no doubt use this as a means to say he has created jobs as he promised. However much like the Census they will be relatively low paying and short term jobs.

The longer Obama is in office the more arrogant he is becoming. Even so he is still playing his games to try to convince us that increasing our energy costs and the size and control of government is what we need to do to create jobs and save the planet. Obama is a GREAT orator and an even better Con-Man. But like most Con-Men he is becoming greedy and with greed comes carelessness. He once spoke of transparency in his administration, nothing but campaign lies to be sure. However "The One" himself is becoming more transparent as he becomes more arrogant and greedy for more power. His popularity is falling like a rock because of this and soon even the most blinded Obama supporter will find it very hard to deny that Obama does not have the best interests of this country, present and future at heart.

"President Obama chuckles when Brian Williams asks him about polls that show may Americans still believe he is a Muslim." "He says he doesn't pay much attention to those polls, because" "I can't spend all my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead."

Just how many people caught this diversionary tactic by Obama? What does ones "birth certificate" (which is still a very open matter for another discussion) have to do with his religion? He either is a Muslim or he is not....Period....Frankly if he were doing a good job as our POTUS and doing what is good for present and future generations, I could care less what his religion is. His religion is his personal business and as long as it does not effect his policy decisions as POTUS I just don't care. Unfortunately that "may" not be the case because it is becoming more and more evident that he is not acting in the best interests of this country.

Bush made more than his share of mistakes and in doing so increased the national debt by (or borrowed if you prefer that term) $7 trillion in (8) years while fighting two wars most of the time. Obama has been in office 20 months and has already spent $2 trillion with no end in site to his spending spree. If his goal in "remaking this great nation of ours" is to bankrupt it and at the same time destroy the American Free Enterprise system, I give him an A+!!!

maybe you woudl not be so bitter if you spend your time looking for a job instead of surfing for stats and typing blogs. Better yet, go do some volunteer work ...or run and SHUT UP !!!!

Ya dummies, sooner or later we have to pay for this stuff...and last we checked, it's later...where were you 5 years ago?

5 years ago the right was screaming about it and the left didn't even feel it was worth reporting. Why? Because the president cannot spend $$. Only Congress can. Last I checked, Bush wasn't in Congress 5 yrs ago, but he was going along with all those stimulous packages the left passed in Congress.

The right said it wouldn't end the recession and it turns out, they were right. The left passed a 2nd (even bigger) stimulous after that and used rhetoric like "You can't expect things to be fixed in 18 months". Then as soon as something more than 18 months after the first Bush/Lib Congress stimulous showed the expected spikes in economic reports, only the 2nd stimulous was given credit. Then when that turned out to be an anomylous spike, you go back to blaming Bush and pretending the "summer of recovery" never was spoken of. Presidents can rally for support on something, but it takes a literal "act of congress" to spend that kind of $$.

Of course Obama is ignoring the rally in DC. He ignores his constituents most of the time. He has an agenda and he cares nothing about what the American public thinks. In this same interview Brain Williams said your not Muslim and your an American citizen. He ignored answering to that but let Brian Williams say it for him. At least he refused to lie about it.

TheHoe

maybe you woudl not be so bitter if you spend your time looking for a job instead of surfing for stats and typing blogs. Better yet, go do some volunteer work ...or run and SHUT UP !!!!

Who's bitter? Someone just has their facts straight unlike many libs who only know how to name-call (just like Obama)! I find it amusing that libs always get to the name-calling and ridiculing when they run out of facts!

You really are talking about Reagan and the Bush's aren't you? Just ignore the truth about the debt and the economy because it is an inconvenient truth.

I'm sorry Allen, but I think your history needs review. 5 years ago the recession had yet to begin. The "left" Congress only relented to TARP in late '07 after Bush's Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernacke put on a dog and pony show for Congress stating that the entire economy would completely collapse if TARP was not passed immedialtely. Even after the "left" wanted more data before giving an unprecedented 780 plus billion injection to the banking industry (NOT stimulus), a couple of weeks passed without the collapse that Paulson and Bernacke warned of, but TARP did finally pass anyway. And guess what, banks still refused to loan money to individuals and small businesses. THEN came the election, and yes, under Obama's administration the first stimulus spending began. I distinguish between bank bailout and infrastructure spending, to me the former is not stimulus, the latter can be if done wisely. It was not done wisely.

The bottom line to my post is the rich elites run the country, and the "leaders" of our government, whether Democrats or Republicans, are their hand maidens, falling for whatever snake oil the elites are peddling.

So many of you who lambast the President for spending money seem to have a selective memory. It was Franklin Delano Roosevelt who also spent money to get the nation out of the Depression.

Personally, I think the President would be well served to have another Civilian Conservation Corps--it was good then, it could be good today. I am not happy about bailing out the banks and automotive industry, only because it seems to reward them for poor management.

We are a complex nation, with multitudes of diverse interests and stakeholders. Rather than whine and complain about things that don't suit you, try making some positive suggestions that would benefit the greater good--or is that something the conservative right is afraid of? (I notice they whine and complain a lot, but offer few, if any, suggestions for something different, or another plan of action.) If you can't contribute to solving a problem, shut up.

Phil, the electrician, an average American really does make $250,000. Too bad family values didn't extent beyond the walls of the gated community or the ranch homestead. Let reality influence your opinion.

The middle class doesn't want to be sacrificed. They want jobs left in America and healthcare too.

julie-1197010~

First of all, it really isn't that many people. Tens of thousands of people love Mariyln Manson, doesn't mean I will consider he has some value. :) But seriously think about the source. Would you listen to someone that is always calling you horrid names and makes tons of money off of doing so?

Exactly what is he supposed to consider?? That the extremists will fight him every step of the way?? That they will claim God for "their" side?? I think he already knew that...

Risha:

No. I would not listen to someone who calls me horrid names and makes tons of money doing so. That is precisely why almost everyone who is in any way associated with the Tea Party will never support Barak Obama or any other democrat. Tea Baggers, indeed.

There is no reason for any of these people to support an elected official who openly suggests that it is appropriate to ignore their views. Only Kings get to ignore people.

Finally, it wasn't tens of thousands - it was hundreds of thousands. And no, measured against the American population at large, it wasn't that many people, but if you compare the number of people that attended this gathering to the number of people that attended any Washington mall gathering over the course of the last twenty years, you will conclude that this gathering was very large indeed.

But you're entitled to your own opinion, and Obama is entitled to his own opinion. If you want to, you can conclude after the mid-terms this year that losing 45 seats in the house and 15 in the senate really isn't that big a loss, or that it doesn't really reflect on Obama. De Nile's not just a river in Egypt.

Julie,

10,000 ginned up Fox viewers out of a nation of 300 million ranting on the national mall is hardly a sampling of "what people across the nation think".

It is, indeed, silly season.

Integrity is when a leader does what they believe is right rather than what the people want at the risk to his job and even probably safety (otherwise we will not have a representative democracy but one based on polls or direct votes).

We always said we wanted a leader that didnt govern on polls and did what they promised (health care, financial regulation, tax cuts to the middle class, stimulus, ramp up Afganistan, draw down Iraq). No President has come close to this ratio of hits on their exact campaign promise in the time frame. Now we understand why other Presidents govern on polls. The reason is us. What fools are we listening to the Fox and not discerning the slant and how they play our buttons.

Obama's doing a great job. Why should he care about reactions from the right? (Not that he doesn't... rhetorical question)

I've gotta tell ya... any interview that picks up THIS headline "can't go around with it plastered on my forehead" as THE headline of the interview probably doesn't mean much to the president.

Another silly season from the talking heads

shock and awe, shock and awe!

guaranteed the marxist fraud watched it.

And you base that conjecture on......"I don't like him"? Why didn't you just post "Liar liar pants on fire!" You and 'husky' should get a grip on reality and realize, MOST people aren't buying what Beck is selling. Just because *you* hang on his every word doesn't mean most rational, informed Americans don't recognize his schtick for what it is untruthful theatrical nonsense.

Sam - And you base that conjecture on???

You do realize Fox News, Beck included, is burying all other networks - most of them combined in viewership?

Your claim about "most rational, informed Americans" doesn't pass the smell test.

Beck certainly has his followers/believers. Whatever the number is, it is not "most Americans." His claims and assertions and "teachings" are what "doesn't pass the smell test", but those who are on board with him couldn't care less about fact-checking. He is telling them what they want to hear.

The old "But Fox news has the most viewers!" card, which supposedly proves something, doesn't fly with me. Murdock and Ailes aimed for a particular audience and that is who they draw. All others are split among the rest of the networks.

"a particular audience" what exactly would that audience be that the other media wouldn't go after.....the ones with at least an IQ in double digits...

You don't think Murdoch hired Roger Ailes to run Foxnews for a particular reason? You don't think he had an "untapped right-wing market" in mind? Demonize "the media" and keep telling the folks in the heartland who you are courting, "We're the ones who are fair and balanced". You can trust us but you cain't trust "them". C'mon. If you don't realize Foxnews for the business venture it is and who their target audience is, well, nuff said. "IQ in double digits" indeed.

Indeed.Rupert Murdoch is a business operator for profit.He inherited or purchased a failing news rag in Europe.The Sun?I dunno.But he turned it around by catering to a particular audience by making it a tabloid style news paper.He learned from this and applied his knowledge to other outlets so that he could make more money.He targets every viewer just like any other media outlet does.

Actually bevr, you are wrong... Fox buries the other news outlets... it is not the most viewed on cable. I think that honor still goes to ESPN.... Thank God!

Sam Brown said, "MOST people aren't buying what Beck is selling."

Hey Sam, just curious, have you ever watched Beck? No? I thought not.

I watched him once when I was home sick and he had an impressive and accurate show on the history of this country.

You should really find out first hand before you comment.

getalifevirginia,

When you answer your own questions as if you were omniscient, it makes you look plain silly.

@porkbevr: just like most of you tea baggers, you haven't checked any of your facts. Fox News is still number 3 in the ratings behind CNN and MSNBC. But, go ahead and keep believing everything that makes you feel better about yourself.

Really Eric ??? Good to see you checked your's. You must have another avenue to travel to make you feel better about yourself huh? Idiot... and just in case you are wondering, President Obama isn't going to give you more money, isn't going to give you a better job and he isn't going to give you your fair share of the rich mans money.... You're going to have to get off your a#$ and do all those thing for yourself... Loser....

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for August 26, 2010

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,101,000 viewers
CNN – 343,000 viewers
MSNBC – 344,000 viewers
CNBC – 165,000 viewers
HLN – 259,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,051,000 viewers
CNN – 466,000 viewers
MSNBC –645,000 viewers
CNBC – 172,000 viewers
HLN – 456,000 viewers

25-54 Total Day
FNC –285,000 viewers
CNN –111,000 viewers
MSNBC –116,000 viewers
CNBC – a scratch w/52,000 viewers
HLN – 113,000 viewers

25-54 Prime Time
FNC – 462,000 viewers
CNN – 121,000 viewers
MSNBC –197,000 viewers
CNBC – 66,000 viewers
HLN – 124,000 viewers

35-64 Total Day
FNC – 483,000 viewers
CNN – 164,000 viewers
MSNBC – 176,000 viewers
CNBC – 95,000 viewers
HLN – 132,000 viewers

35-64 Prime Time
FNC –936,000 viewers
CNN – 212,000 viewers
MSNBC –318,000 viewers
CNBC – 98,000 viewers
HLN –198,000 viewers

FNC only represents a 'faction' of people.. even if they do run in the millions.. but here is one example, among many many more, as to why this network is dispicable, and why the people who buy into are hopeless .. and this is not a matter of opinion, no matter how inflamed any may get by reading my comment

Take the incident with Carrie Prejean at the Miss America pageant. They made the whole ordeal about her freedom of speech being trampled on.. WRONG. The constitution explains that you can say what you please without government intervention (as long as it legally isn't a matter of defamation or libel), but it doesn't mean that a person can use that argument, if say, they are denied a job at an equal opportunity employer populated by a mix of race because they let their hidden bigotry slip out during the interview.. a person has the right to be that way if they choose, but their being behind the times and obviously having dumb judgement, and being denied a job, is NOT grounds for crying foul about the their constitutional rights being trampled.. I feel sorry for those high numbers next to FNC. They eat this kinda thing up everyday.. very sad.

And even more so for the fool taking the time out of their day to post all those numbers. Way to be a cheerleader for big media distortion.. and you're the one calling people idiots. Hilarious.

Oh yeah, i forgot to mention the worst.. As much as Glen Beck hates progressives.. he stands on the steps where Dr. King spoke acting like he is somehow humbled??.. guess what. Dr. King was as progressive as you can get. H-Y-O-C-R-I-S-Y

MLK was, in fact, a Republican.

He has... have you been watching?

I have read several accounts of various presidencies, and I can tell you that there is an incredible amount that goes on in an administration that we never hear about. I read these interesting things about whichever president I'm reading about, and I say to myself, 'how come we never heard about that?" The only conclusion that I can reach is that the press is manipulating public opinion and that they only report news that will cause people to think what the media wants them to think. Since the FCC seems to be totally ineffective these days, most of the media is owned by the same few corporations who are manipulating us into thinking according to their agenda. The only way around that is to do your own research and fact checking, and most people don't bother, so they think what they are told to think. I, personally, resent such manipulation. What a sad downfall for a once great system of government. (You know the one... of the people, by the people, for the people.)

maybe you should listen more carefully...encourage your media outlet to carry his speeches and town halls. go to whitehouse.gov. You will find the answers to many questions. there is a link for small business owners with answers to many common questions. Also...don't listen to pundits on either side. They are usually wrong on the facts. Our media is broken. Much more broken than our government. Seek out alternative sources that are not opinion driven.

Thank you.

You really shouldn't bother Obammy right now, he and Meech are busy planning their Swiss skiing vacation next week.

Obammy and Meech? Really? Is that what you think passes for wittiness? Boy that right-wing humor is something to behold. Larry the cable guy, Dennis Miller, and that 'Red Eye' late-show that Fox tried to pull off. Whew. That is some funny stuff.

It seems that in today's America, the President and/or his wife and family can't take a vacation unless they are Republican and have a "ranch". In today's America the happy healthy family of the President of the United States taking a vacation is something to be sneered and jeered at. If that same family was Republican and/or white the same people who hate them now would hold them up as a perfect example of "family values". Witnessing the blind partisan hypocrisy of the right is the one time that they are truly humorous. Pathetic, but humorous.

Porkbevr.

Obammy??!!! Really?!! And you wonder why liberals think you guys are racists!!

I don't wonder at all Fast. I know this may come as a shock to you but why would anyone want to waste their time worrying about what a liberal thinks. Hey Jesse Jackson is running for President next time.. You meatheads will vote for him too wouldn't ya... DUH!!!!!!!!!!!! He's black and wrote a book too so that automatically qualifies him to be President right? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Let's all drink some Kool_Aid and give thanks for the dream team.... Obama, Pelosi and Reid.... Good God....

Those who live in glass houses......

"hypocrites and fools."

Annhn, the rally was really for Christians to complain, once again, that this country doesn't believe in God enough and follow those "good conservative" values, just like 1932. I wouldn't call them hypocrites, they actually believe that following the conservative qualities of no-government intervention in business or help for the chronically unemployed will make everything perfect again; just like it was in 1932. Maybe they miss the good old days of 25% unemployment, 25% underemployment, soup kitchens, "Brother can you spare a dime?", good old days, when America was perfect. It doesn't make them hypocrites; now "fools", this is just a matter of opinion. They might think that anything out of 1932 was foolish. Who is to tell? Not me, that's for sure; its several levels above my pay grade.

Yeah.. it's too bad your conclusion of Beck and Palin being paid is completely wrong. Palin came for nothing and Beck put it on himself. He received no payment. In fact, the night before he and his wife rented out the entire Kennedy center and gave all the tickets away to people that were there a day early for the rally and didn't allow the media in. So how much do you think that cost him? Also, as he said at the rally, he said any money from sales of merchandise from the rally were going to a special forces families charity. He did ask people to donate to that and that they raised over 5 million dollars for that cause!! Of course you would have known those things if you actually watched it. So as we can see it's actually YOU who are the "hypocrites and fools"!

What do you call a lot more?These are the election results. Where is the over whelming majority?Looks kind of shakey to me!

52.9% 69,456,897 45.7% 59,934,814

Ignoring the American people is nothing new.

Ann

You, too, can sign up to give speeches.

I'm sure the audiences would pay a mint to hear you speak.

Right on Ann!!

So, how much did Our President make from book sales? How much did he donate to charity?

This whole thing with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. Opportunism at its best. Really.. what.. a.. s***show. Where the hell were these people when Bush was causing all this havoc when he was in office?? <--- pointless question.. Fox news told them it was all good. So they have an excuse.

They don't affiliate with any party?.. Honor?? yeah, a lot of honor in throwing up pictures of Hitler to connect to everything seemingly challenging to his/their agenda.. which insanely is selling better than sex in Hollywood.

Lol, it looks like somebody only reads headlines. Most of America isn't interested in giving an extremist Mormon shock jock any thought.

I attended the rally yesterday and people weren't there to honor Glenn. The only thought there was being given to God and our troops and nothing else. It appears that it is you who only reads the headlines. What I saw yesterday was hundreds of thousands of Americans who represented only a small part of many Americans who are ready to return this country to full glory and there isn't a damn thing you liberals can do about it.

I do not understand the whole Restore Honor thing. I thought we restored it in November of 2008.

Hundreds of thousands? Isn't the count at around 75 to 85 thousand? It's not like a great man like the President of the United States or a great man hero like Martin Luther King Jr. was speaking or anything. Hmm... I wonder what will be the bigger draw? The Beck Mormon rally or the Penny Arcade Expo(PAX) video game convention in Seattle next week?

Hell, Beck couldn't even beat the 100,000+ attendance to the San Diego Comic-con convention this year.

Excellent comments ShadowSkill!

Brian 1176393 : Americans who are ready to return this country to full glory and there isn't a damn thing you liberals can do about it.

What historical period are we to be returned to Brian...I just want to know how to dress...should I be armed?

Precisely, MissoulaSue!

No we lost all of our honor in November 2008. I'm not too worried about a liberal arming themself they are more likely to shoot themselves rather than anyone else. Free one way plane tickets for liberals, as you keep seeing America doesnt want you here.

Porkbevr, "You obviously have no idea of 'honor.'" Really? That is the most intelligent thing that you could possibly think of? How "honorable" do you think it is it to mock and ridicule others? How "honorable" would it be if others did the same to you? I have noticed that much of life is, "you gets what you gives". In my Bible, it is called doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, or "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." If I were to use that last, I would have to guess that you literally hate yourself. Sad, indeed...

John-2007435, Free one way ticket for idiots who think they can tell others to leave the country that don't agree with them. How about if we give you imbeciles your own area of the country. You could have unregulated corporations paying less than minimum wage, no health care, no housing standards or health laws. You could live in shacks at the mercy of the corporations and rich, defacto slaves, just like the majority of workers did before progressives got you wage and labor laws, health care, food & medicine purity laws. Your ilk has ruined the country. I would love it if you would seceed and create your own private hell where workers had no economic or civil rights. This is what the progressives have given this country. Seceed please. We will guard the borders as you try to sneak back into civilization.

I would love that msvoltaire that way when all of you libs are on welfare from the few elite socialists running your failed country, we'll be sitting around enjoying a good laugh watching all of you morons try to jump our fence and enter our country :) No visa for you

Why is it we need to suddenly restore honor when America elects a democrat?

But when there's a republican in there, that's when everything seems to go down the toilet???

So anyone who doesn't care about Beck or his self-promotion tour is now against "honor"?? This really is getting Orwellian...

What I don't get is what honor are you restoring? I think the U.S. has honor, it's not perfect but it's still the best in the world. How far back do you want to go. Back to where women were not protected by labor laws? Back to where women could not vote? Back to where blacks could not vote? Back to where people used to pack a picnic lunch, take the kids and sit on the church lawn and watch the sheriff lynch blacks? This country is heading toward honor, not away from it.

The rally proved your point. A whole lotta fixin' needed there.

I still have a tough time believing someone who promotes fear, lies and hate along with some far fetched conspiracy theories would use God like he did. I guess his god of hate is not the same as my God who loves us all.

If you listened to the Dicktater Beckistan then yeah you're likely stuck on stoopid.

John YaYa, you may be right; there may be huge shift to the right in 2010 and/or 2012. However, what will happen when the conservatives are forced (by this far right) to install the programs of 1929-1932, less the pitifully small stimulus that they tried in 1931-1932. Be careful what you ask for, John, you just might get it. Then, it will me and all of those "stupid" liberals shouting, "WHERE ARE THE JOBS, JOBS, JOBS???!!!"

I frankly can't wait for the republicans to get back in there, and further expose themselves for having no solutions...

Maybe then they will just shut up?

It will be sheer pleasure watching them blame the same things on President Obama - despite the convulsions they go through apologizing for Ws results.

Fake and phony, through and through...

Grumpy John,

I wish I could hit your vote button several times for that comment. Conservatives have YET to offer any solution of their own. They simply criticize and obstruct any attempt on the part of this administration to do anything constructive.

It's all they have.

Its those same folks who demonstrated in the 60's fool.......Hippies, civil rights, Vietnam, Nixon and so on.....there will come a day, assuming you survive, you too will see things MUCH differently......assuming it will matter then.

That counters my point in what way son? They'll still be dead in less than a generation since most of those people were old as hell. Besides, the same people Beck and Tea Bager parties recruit were at civil rights rally's back in the old times. I'm somewhat certain of that. They were the people holding the water hoses, releasing the dogs, and hanging people they kidnapped. They just found a better way of pushing their agenda. Either that or they let it go like German citizens did in WWII. All this has happened before and all of this will happen again.

shadowskill11++++Reference your stats if you can

Sorry son, I'm not google. Learn how to use a search engine and analyze information at a non-two dimensional level. Either that or you can pay me via paypal a commission fee and I'll be glad to do it. My rates start at $150/hr for research.

Tsanders - Interpret that to mean shadowskull has no references other than the little voices in his head. He/she will be quite the basketcase on November 3 when Obammy will be neutered.

I guess they need told what to think.

I'm sure you have some demonstrable reason why Sharpton's "little party" was racist and Beck's was just a love-filled patriotic pageant designed to bring America together, right? And the fact that it was on the MLK anniversary was "just a coincidence", eh?

He focuses on vacations and blowing smoke. And by the way, before calling others 'crazies,' publish in your comments where one might find a public copy of the real birth certificate (not certification of live birth). Check and you'll know what the real difference is.

Sane, if available, Hawaii would be your resource for birth certificate. Are you serious? As I have heard, since I don't live, or haven't lived, in Hawaii that they don't use "birth certificates" in the way that might make you happy (I doubt it, but I give it a "might"); instead, they use "certificates of live birth." It's really the same thing, they both have an official seal, but unless the president submits 307,000,000+ certified copies from the State of Hawaii, you won't be satisfied (and, many would still not be "happy").

As for vacations...how about 2 Bushes...I'll bet that you defended their vacation days, didn't you?

Insane Uneducated Conservaturd,

GW Bush took more vacations and personal time than any President in American history - a man with zero honor. Your pal John Boehner hardly ever goes to work, instead spends most of his time enjoying an affluent lifestyle suntanning in booths and playing golf all on the taxpayers dime - what a joke.

How do you spell hypocrisy? R-E-B-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.

Well then, you should also recognize that shock jock, talking heads like him always mix in a little grain with the bowl of excrement they serve the people to keep the restaurant in business right?

The same could be said of Obama and the democrats...I'm sure they are mixing in plenty of excretement into the maybe one grain of truth they spout.

I believe Mr. Beck also has a PhD in history, so those who would dismiss him as stupid, are not as aware of facts as they think that they are.

Those of you out there who think that you know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do.

Liberals spew about intelligence yet they don't seem to have any. They do whine pretty good though.

Old-Pilot: Beck is a college drop-out!!! He only has an honorary PhD from Liberty U (of all places), so I guess you have your own set of facts.....

"If you want to call me an idiot and dismiss me, that reflects more on your stupidity and pomposity that it does on mine."

Well, if that makes you feel better, okay Frances. But maybe, just maybe, "PhD and belief in God" aside, if people want to call you an idiot and dismiss you, it's because you are an idiot who should be dismissed.

By the way, if you are going to talk about your PhD on an MSNBC message board, then maybe you wouldn't want to throw around the words "pompous" and "pomposity". Just a thought.

No offense Frances, but if you think that Glen Beck has lucid comments, I would guess that your PhD is not in American History. He talks about the founders as if they were of one mind...his!!! Might I suggest a book for you, "Miracle in Philadelphia" by Catherine Drinker Bowen. It is a bit dry as it does not ever attempt to take political sides. As a matter of fact, she goes into excruciating detail as to how 55 men gathered in Philadelphia with almost 55 different ideas of how to solve the "problem with commerce" (which was the code word for writing a new constitution) and, in only 4 months time, came out with the very same United States Constitution that so many on so many sides agree is the best form of political union ever devised by mankind.

Glen, well, he just doesn't think anything else understands the Constitution like he does; perhaps that is because he is always defining it by his own principles while deriding the principles of others.

I have tried to watch this moron(?), snake oil salesman(?), entertainer(?), or, whatever the hell he really is, and I can't get through about 20 minutes before I have to change the channel or destroy the TV to get him to shut up.

There are some very good conservative ideas, which, under the right circumstances, are much more appropriate than anything than the liberals will come up...and then there's Glen Beck, useless under any circumstance. It's not his ideas that make him useless; it is his holier than thou, "lets change history to tell the story that we want it to" tactics of relaying those ideas.

I think you meant conservative...

MLK is not or ever will be a God.He was a greatman!

I bet you've built a shrine to obama too you freakin headcase

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Dr. King was a Republican and rather Conservative politically. Remember, in the days of the Civil Rights Movement it was the Republicans who got most of the legislation passed. The Dixiecrats held too much sway in the Democratic Party. In fact, I think Richard Nixon was also a champion of this movement.

Could be wrong but I think I'm pretty much on target.

You are correct U of M Fan. It's interesting to note that the progressives, conviently, neglect to mention that Dr. Alveda King, Dr. Kings niece, was also a speaker at the Beck rally. It is her, stated oponion, that sharpton and jackson are racists and subverting her uncles work!

We might also note that during the last administration, it was the progressives like ole harry reid that were argueing to repeal the 14th. amendment and hillary clinton who stated that desention was the ultimate in patriotism! Now she calls it racism. The progressives, clearly, pratice the policy of morals Du Jour, whatever they think will granner them the most votes!!

Yeah, he ignores it like you do when you cover your eyes with your hands but your fingers are wide open.

You're right. Newsbusters is media bias at its best.

You guys are amazing! I can't believe what I am reading here. What planet are you living on? I guess what is happening is called selective perception. It's too bad because it will be the end of our great country.

Its actually great for liberals what he's offering, they don't have to work, they get free money from the people who actually work, free healthcare too because all the businesses will have to pay for that. The libs will have it made if obama gets what he wants, its the rest of the real americans that have to worry.

I suppose about the same time Fox does. I am wondering where was the media coverage for Jesse and King in Detroit's rally

Wasn't this the niece who is estranged from the rest of MLK's family that is carrying on his legacy?

Exactly. She can be looked up and learned about. She is right-wing anti-gay rights, anti-choice, and with her own political agenda as she can be, but because she has the name 'King' she tries to invoke some moral high ground. She has even said something about MLK's widow Coretta, like "Well SHE was married to him but *I* have his DNA." Just another opportunistic huckster right at home with Beck and Palin, I don't care what color she is or what her last name is. Makin' a buck is makin' a buck.

Sam Brown, You have certainly read your Alinsky, haven't you!! Never a substantive post, just name calling and finger pointing. Comrade Alinsky would be proud of you!

"All white" rally? So obviously you didn't watch it, either. The rally was not all white, and for the record neither am I. Only to you is it obvious that they want to restore Nordic Power (?!) and enslave anyone. And they accuse Glenn Beck of having crazy conspiracies. The only people enslaved are the poor fools who allowed the Democrats to pull them back onto the plantation by convincing them that they need to be taken care of. The same patronizing party that chooses black candidates according to how "clean" they are and whether they can talk without the "negro dialect." A rally that shows people hungry for a return to God is nothing to scoff at. You can humble yourself and look to God for help, or continue buying into the gospel of unforgiveness that has never accomplished anything but continues to demand more white repentance. At what point will it finally be enough? If the blood of 600,000 dead men lying on the battlefields wasn't enough, no amount of "reparations" ever will be. At some point you have to forgive and move forward, taking responsibility for your own life instead of demanding the government fix it for you.

Sue, not everyone has bootstraps to pick themselves up by. Not everyone sees the federal government as an evil-doer with no purpose or scoffs at the idea that there is such a thing as the common good. Not everyone assumes all minorities are waiting for someone to take care of them, or believe that social justice or civil rights are dirty words ony embraced by liberals. You must be shocked to learn that some of those people, hardly the ones likely to enjoy Mr. Beck, even call themselves Republicans. The vast majority of those receiving food stamps, subsidized housing, medicare and other federal supports, are white. These are exactly the kind of assumptions about the "other" Dr. King was hoping one day we could move forward past. At what point will any human being finally be able to prove their worth? Good question.

AnaBanana,

I agree 100%.

Unfortunately for you, if you believe Obama is going to do anything to help this country than common sense left you long ago.

Your Open mind...appears Closed to the fact that Beck and the rest have some good thougts. Is that persons "holier than thou" attitude any less than, say Obama's?...doesnt he have some education too?

"An open mind who listens more than speaks will always be wiser than you in everything."

So perhaps you are saying Obama would have been wiser to listen?

ckaster's mind is about as closed as possible. he seems to think our b*tching is akin to shutting him up. Had what was applied in St Paul MN exactly 2 years ago, what would you be saying now? They went after mostly the left but some right wing protestors too. Beating them up etc. But hardly a thing in MSM.

However I didn't ignore Beck's rally although I didn't spend time watching him. I was surprised he said calling Obama racist was wrong but notice he didn't apologize for it.

The only person who did what MLK jr Fought for recently wasn't Beck, or Al Sharpton... It was as usual. Jesse Jackson. He marched in Detroit fighting for jobs. So if you want an open mind you then wouldn't have people forcing Muslim's out of a dying part of New York that NY wants to push back up, you wouldn't have a Mosque construction equipment being set on fire who wouldn't have people wanting to repeal the first and 14th amendment (they wouldn't have the votes to do it anyway, they wouldn't have the votes to repeal so called Obamacare (which in itself is a closed minded term. because one assumes the Republicans had nothing to do with it) ) So that being said... Frances-908458 is probably on better ground saying Obama probably would have been wise not to ignore it, but because of the Birthers who want to see his birth certificate and he continue's to show them the certificate.. and they still refuse to look. He missed this and chose to ignore it. Like beating on a door then it stops for a moment and you don't move. It would be only natural considering the daily attacks from Beck who made fun of Olbermann's dead mother during the week to ignore Beck at first. Will I be seeing a new Beck from now on who bothers to listen. For Humanities sake I would hope so. You'll never see this from Rush. And no I'm not an Obamamite or whatever that guy said up there. I'm a left leaning libertarian and MSNBC keeps claiming libertarians are tea party ilk. Like hell. Even Ron Paul found the anti Muslim thing disgusting. I vote for whoever I think will run things best. Obama's been leaning a bit too far to the center right. However if your extreme right you'll see him as left. If your center left, you'll see him lean right.

If you think obamas leaning right then you are very libertarian my friend

I have come to my own realization that this country is divided. Democrats and Republicans are so far apart on what it is they want/desire out of government it seems an impossibility to reconcile or even co-exist. It may very well be time to split this great nation into two. Decide what ground you want, hold it and defend it.