
Update 4:50 p.m.: And that's the final count: Up 430 points, or 4 percent, at 11,239.97.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average recovered two-thirds of the value it lost Monday, when it registered its sixth-largest decline ever. The Nasdaq Composite Index — which also swung sharply back and forth all day — ended up 124.83 points, or 5.3 percent, at 2,482.52.
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The wild swings Tuesday — as many as 450 points in a single hour — inspired cartoonists with the same metaphor: the roller coaster. Click here for the slideshow.
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Update 4 p.m. ET: The wild day on Wall Street is ending with yet another surprise. After a couple of hours of massive swings (as many as 450 points in a single hour) the Dow Jones Industrial Average zoomed to its highest level of the day, to 11,239.97 — a 430-point gain over Monday.
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Update 3:30 p.m. ET: The Fed's pledge Tuesday to keep interest rates at record lows for two more years comes couched in downbeat assessments of the economy. At the same time, it indicated that it refuses for now to take further action, which appears to be giving markets fits.
Msnbc.com's John W. Schoen says Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues "have very few cards left to play."
"Since the Panic of 2008, the central bank has flooded the financial system with cash, spending $1.4 trillion to buy bonds backed by high-risk mortgages and snapping up another $900 billion in Treasury bonds," Schoen writes. "The Fed's easy money policy is designed to keep credit flowing after the collapse of a decade-long borrowing binge."
Neil Irwin of The Washington Post agrees, calling the statement "a modest step" and saying that "by explicitly stating the central bank's easy money policies — specifically, a short-term interest rate target near zero — for two more years, the Fed is hoping to lower interest rates throughout the economy to encourage immediate investment and consumption."
Matt Phillips of The Wall Street Journal noted that three members of the Federal Open Markets Committee voted against the statement.
"The market doesn't like the look of the dissension in the ranks on the FOMC. It's not just the folks at the extremely hawkish — meaning inflation focused — wing of the committee who were squawking about the change to the extended period language," Phillips writes.
But Joseph Arsenio, managing director of Arsenio Capital Management in Larkspur, Calif., was more optimistic:
"The reason the market is down is because slow growth over an extended period is embedded in that statement. I don't believe that will be the case. The Fed's ability to project growth has been poor. All this indicates is the Fed will tolerate a higher level of inflation."
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CNBC's Sue Herera parses the Federal Reserve's plan to keep key interest rates at record lows.
Update 3 p.m. ET: As the Federal Open Markets Committee released its statement Tuesday afternoon, the stock market dived sharply. Since then, it has been gyrating wildly, falling or rising as far as 175 points in minutes.
A 3 p.m. ET, the Dow was down 59½ points, 320 lower than it had been a couple of times before the statement came out at 2:15 p.m. The Nasdaq composite index was down 16. The yield on 10-year Treasury notes was down to 2.27 percent, its low for the year. Oil prices sank by $2.03 a barrel. Gold — a retreat for investors in tough markets — was up to a near-record $1,766 an ounce.
There's still no way to definitively answer the question posed by Reuters: Will the Fed decision "be enough to put a floor on a U.S. stock market"? But early indications are that the answer will be "no."
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Update 2:30 p.m. ET: Reuters says it's "unclear whether the (Fed) decision, which involved no new commitment of funds for bond purchases, would be enough to put a floor on a U.S. stock market that has fallen more than 15 percent in the last two weeks."
That uncertainty appeared to be reflected on Wall Street, where the Dow swung sharply back and forth as investors digested the news.
The Fed said economic growth was weaker than expected and that inflation was likely to "remain contained."
"The committee currently anticipates that economic conditions — including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run — are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through mid-2013," it said.
Here's the full statement:
Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in June indicates that economic growth so far this year has been considerably slower than the Committee had expected. Indicators suggest a deterioration in overall labor market conditions in recent months, and the unemployment rate has moved up. Household spending has flattened out, investment in nonresidential structures is still weak, and the housing sector remains depressed. However, business investment in equipment and software continues to expand. Temporary factors, including the damping effect of higher food and energy prices on consumer purchasing power and spending as well as supply chain disruptions associated with the tragic events in Japan, appear to account for only some of the recent weakness in economic activity. Inflation picked up earlier in the year, mainly reflecting higher prices for some commodities and imported goods, as well as the supply chain disruptions. More recently, inflation has moderated as prices of energy and some commodities have declined from their earlier peaks. Longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable.
Consistent with its statutory mandate, the Committee seeks to foster maximum employment and price stability. The Committee now expects a somewhat slower pace of recovery over coming quarters than it did at the time of the previous meeting and anticipates that the unemployment rate will decline only gradually toward levels that the Committee judges to be consistent with its dual mandate. Moreover, downside risks to the economic outlook have increased. The Committee also anticipates that inflation will settle, over coming quarters, at levels at or below those consistent with the Committee's dual mandate as the effects of past energy and other commodity price increases dissipate further. However, the Committee will continue to pay close attention to the evolution of inflation and inflation expectations.
To promote the ongoing economic recovery and to help ensure that inflation, over time, is at levels consistent with its mandate, the Committee decided today to keep the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent. The Committee currently anticipates that economic conditions--including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run--are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through mid-2013. The Committee also will maintain its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its securities holdings. The Committee will regularly review the size and composition of its securities holdings and is prepared to adjust those holdings as appropriate.
The Committee discussed the range of policy tools available to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability. It will continue to assess the economic outlook in light of incoming information and is prepared to employ these tools as appropriate.
Voting for the FOMC monetary policy action were: Ben S. Bernanke, Chairman; William C. Dudley, Vice Chairman; Elizabeth A. Duke; Charles L. Evans; Sarah Bloom Raskin; Daniel K. Tarullo; and Janet L. Yellen.
Voting against the action were: Richard W. Fisher, Narayana Kocherlakota, and Charles I. Plosser, who would have preferred to continue to describe economic conditions as likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate for an extended period.
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Update 2:23 p.m. ET: The Dow Jones Industrial shot downward as soon as the Federal Open Markets Committee announced it was likely to hold key interest rates steady for the next two years. After coming close to a 250-point gain a couple of times Tuesday, the Dow had given back all its gains and was down about 30 points.
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Update 2:20 p.m. ET: The Federal Open Markets Committee says it will likely keep a key interest rate at a record low for two more years. Updates to come.
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Update 2:15 p.m. ET: After coming close to a 250-point gain a couple of times Tuesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was falling in anticipation of a statement from the Federal Open Markets Committee.
Many economists were dubious about the prospect that the Federal Reserve committee would take strong action to stem losses on the markets (see below). At 2:15 p.m. ET, as the statement was scheduled to be released, the Dow was up 95.06 points had fallen back below 11,000 at 10,904.
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Gene Sperling of the National Economic Council talks to NBC News' Andrea Mitchell.
Update 1:48 p.m. ET: Gene Sperling, President Barack Obama's chief economic adviser, blames "hard-line" political posturing for the turmoil in the economy.
"Putting our economy first and our politics second is what's imperative" for a recovery, Sperling says in an interview with NBC's Andrea Mitchell.
But he refuses to predict what the Federal Open Market Committee might do when it releases a statement at 2:15 p.m. ET.
"Smart economic advisers at the White House don't comment on the independent Federal Reserve," he said.
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Update 1:38 p.m. ET: The Federal Open Market Committee is expected to release a statement about 2:15 p.m. ET after its meeting. There's a lot of speculation about what, if any, concrete steps the Fed committee will take, but CNBC's executive news editor, Patti Domm, cautions that "the decline in financial markets is viewed as too fresh for the Fed to react to in any major way."
Joseph LaVorgna, chief economist at Deutsche Bank, tells Domm the Fed has few options left.
"I think what they should and will do is downgrade the growth outlook, downgrade the inflation run up and just say rates are going to stay where they are until the economy gets traction — essentially a downshifting of tone and that's it," LaVorgna said. "Effectively, there are no policy levers left."
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Update 1:08 p.m. ET: The Treasury Department says Secretary Timothy Geithner spoke by phone with his Chinese counterpart, Vice Premier Wang Qishan, about "the challenges facing the global economy and the state of global financial markets."
The terse statement from Treasury gave no further details on the call, so it's not known what hey said. But China has been withering in its criticism of the Obama administration's economic policies in recent days.
In a commentary dated Wednesday, the official Chinese news agency, Xinhua, wrote that Washington remains "hamstrung" economically and politically. Unless Washington rights the ship, Xinhua said, the current crisis will "depress global trade and send biting chills through many exports-dependent countries.
In what Reuters said might be a sign that Beijing's stance was softening, however, Premier Wen Jiabao urged nations Tuesday to work together to stabilize the markets.
"Speaking after a regular meeting by the Chinese cabinet, Wen alluded to debt problems in the United States and Europe and called on 'relevant' countries to implement responsible monetary policies and rein in fiscal deficits," Reuters reported.
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Update 12:45 p.m. ET: Economists are all over the map when it comes to whether the weakening markets mean the underlying economy is weakening.
In a note to investors, Merrill Lynch credit strategist Hans Mikkelsen said the sell-off over the past couple of weeks is a "reassessment higher of the probability that the US slips back into recession."
Monday's 634-point drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average "appears motivated by such continued economic fears, more so than the S&P's downgrade" of the U.S. credit rating last week, Mikkelsen wrote Monday, saying Merrill expected "very slow economic growth — but not the recession that appears to be increasingly priced into spreads."
Rather than the expected and actual US downgrade we think that the biggest factor behind the sell-off in corporate credit over the past couple of weeks — including today — has been an increase in the probability that the US economy will enter another recession in the not too distant future. For example our economists last week estimated a 35% probability of the US entering a new recession over the next year.
But Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, told The New York Times that that's not necessarily the case:
Admittedly, aside from the stock market slide, signs are not exactly great right now for the economy. But Mr. Shepherdson is taking heart from the 4.8 percent increase in chain store sales reported by Redbook Research during the first week of August compared with a year earlier.
Consumer confidence reports have been dismal recently, but Mr. Shepherdson points out that when you ask people "'how do you feel, they say 'miserable.' But that doesn't necessarily mean you don't go shopping."
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Update 12:25 p.m. ET: The impact of this month's market turmoil will be especially big on state budgets, many of which have already been slashed in recent sessions.
Virginia Finance Secretary Ric Brown said the state will likely have to make even further cuts in a projected budget that already has to account for required increases in school funding formulas, improvements to mental health care and greater contributions to the state pension fund.
Now "we will be reassessing all of that," in light of the market downturn, Brown told NBC station WVIR-TV of Charlottesville.
In Washington state, Gov. Christine Gregoire said agencies and workers must find additional budget cuts as high as 10 percent. That's on top of $4.5 billion in projected spending already identified in this year's legislative session, mainly coming from education funding, The Associated Press reported.
"For every two steps forward in the recovery, it seems we are taking one step back," Gregoire wrote in a letter to state employees this week.
In Minnesota, Budget Commissioner Jim Schowalter said the market downturn will likely "have ripple effects throughout our economy."
Minnesota is already borrowing $700 million to help balance its current budget, Minnesota Public Radio reported, plus $500 million more to fund public works projects. Now, Schowalter said, the state will probably be forced to pay more to borrow.
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Update 12:04 p.m. ET: After a day of "serious extremes," the markets are experiencing an expected rebound, says Arthur Cashin, UBS Financial Services' director of floor operations. But "the key is 2:15," he tells CNBC. "What will the Fed say?"
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Update 11:51 a.m. ET: European markets are closing broadly higher: The FTSEurofirst 300 closed up 1.3 percent at 948.21, and the STOXX Europe 600 was up 3 percent at 232.31.
Reuters said traders were "rummaging around for bargains, with hopes the U.S. Federal Reserve will hint at a plan to revive the economy."
"Short-term, the market will hinge on what the Fed has to say, but we think the next few months will remain volatile," said Julian Chillingworth, chief information officer at Rathbones Brothers of London. "It is difficult to say whether now is the right time to buy."
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Update 11:32 a.m ET: The market turmoil comes just as the Federal Open Market Committee is about to release a statement that could have a big impact.
Goldman-Sachs predicted the Fed "will take steps toward slightly easier policy":
After several months of disappointing economic data and the recent market rout, we forecast that the FOMC will take steps toward slightly easier policy at today's meeting. Specifically, we look for the committee to indicate that the size of its balance sheet will remain unchanged for an extended period of time-similar to the guidance it already gives for the level of the federal funds rate. We see a good chance that the statement will also include an explicit easing bias, signaling that the committee is monitoring economic and financial developments and is prepared to provide additional accommodation if necessary. Our forecasts assume that the Fed will eventually shift the composition of its Treasury purchases toward longer-duration securities, but we do not expect that step at today's meeting. Finally, the statement will undoubtedly include a downgrade of the committee's assessment of current conditions, perhaps acknowledging that weakness has been less transitory that anticipated.
"Given the turmoil in the market," ForexYard also expects "the Fed to take action:"
"(T)he Fed could change the wording in its statement to reflect its intention to hold interest rates at lows for a longer period of time," the online broker predicted. "The Fed could also signal its intention to hold longer maturity assets on its balance sheet. All of these would be a USD negative. A failure by the Fed to act may also unnerve investors which could be positive for the dollar."



Until the US gets some leadership, their fiscal act together, a proper budget addressing the debt, expect volatility
The only way to get leadership is for the Dem to reclaim the House.
V2010
You freaking got to be on an extremely strong halucinogen! He$$, let's just create another new entitlement, not deal with the ones we have, spend another Trillion or so, turn on the printers and drink some more of your Kool-aide.
Get out your blame book and see who you're going to point at today ...
Why don't you get the ones you have to return to planet earth and FINALLY deal with the unfunded mandates of entitlements? That's 60% of the budget (the Senate won't act on) and has one approach defined in Bowles / Simpson and another approach in the Ryan Plan. All the Senate has to do is GD ANYTHING!!!! as opposed to tabling anything that comes in the door! Maybe even a VOTE or two (really radical concept there!).
S&P said that the lack of revenue increases and the continuation of the Bush Tax cuts was a major factor in determining to downgrade the US debt. Now, I don't know what hallucination causing drugs you're talking about, but I would stay away from them too if I were you. What we need is to kick out any person in Congress that doesn't see this. S&P said what the problem is. It is NOT just spending, its a combination of many things. If you are the person who believed that spending cuts is the only way to solve this, you are part of the reason we got our debt downgraded. Thank a bunch.
Jeff,
First, I know what the 800 lb gorilla in the room is ... that's spending and 60% of that is entitlements. In the case of entitlements the big ones (SS and Medicare) are not funded with IRS progressive tax. So, you better get in that game.
Secondly, If you simply want to increase tax brackets. I am opposed ... not the answer. Other ideas on the table ... always have been and some of them are pretty good.
Lastly, blame game 101: ... when you run out of directions to point ... look in a mirror.
For your grandchildren ... you're welcome.
Hahahahaha!!!! Yeah, Sperling, your administration's politics.
Hey v2010, they had the House for two years, and didn't get nothing done. What more do you people want? Or have to see before you wake up?
Yes, those evil citizens who are fighting against the disease of liberalism. If it were not for the "tea baggers"(what are you people, first graders?) this spending would continue unabated. Millions of Americans and I will not sit back and watch as your enablers try to turn this world power into a third rate socialist utopia.
@Astonished-655682
Actually, thank your grandchildren I'm here. After all, I'm funding their abysmal futures more than the richest in the country.
I make less than you, will be paying more than you in taxes and and paying my way through college with a student loan that where the interest rate just escalated. I'm paying more than my fair share in tax burdens.
With my degree, I hope to obtain a good job. But I may not be able to because the GOP has thwarted science and education funding. Its a sick irony in the GOP, they layoff people, force them to survive on medicare, etc, then blame them for not working hard enough.
While the members of Congress and the other 2% of people in this nation sit comfortably paying little to no taxes, while their companies also pay little to no taxes, I'll keep standing, looking for a good future.
I'm young and im liberal, why? Not because of my parents, I see things differently than them. Not because of where I live--I live in a pretty conservative area filled with older and wealthier people. But because i'm entering the real world and I'm understanding just how broken it is. When i do a little digging and see what policy has created this disastrous system, its mostly attributed to Republican policy from the past tree decades.
My life has just become exponentially harder thanks to what the GOP did.
All is well. The lower the market the more my small contribution can buy more shares each month. Those who missed getting into the market before it went over 12000 maybe be happy for a second chance. The market is nothing like 2008 when it went below 7000. They know it's going to 14000 soon. If I was a day trader I would take advantage of that.
Remember when John McCain said the fundamentals are good? Toxic assets made it a lie then but now it's true.
Well, I guess that this means that the money-supply growth bubble is over, and from now on we will have to make do with what we already have!!! I'm sure that Wall St would be all up in arms over that, as because without huge regular increases in the money supply, basically there is no growth or any recovery to speak of., and until there is real growth again, I'll be sitting on the sidelines gratefully watching everyone else squirm for a while!!!
The next big climb in the stock market will be around 2016 or 2017, that is the projected schedule for the next big climb.
When this decline bottoms out and starts climbing again, it will only get to what it was previously and it will drop again. It goes up and down and it does it independantly from what the economy is doing.
Billionaires are not affected by the economy. And it's the institutions that are moving Billions of dollars worth of stock at once that cause the market to go up or down and their actions take a long time to complete. They started selling months ago and we are just now starting to see the effects. When the stock market drops to a certain level, they will start buying up stocks again and the market will start climbing again.
You want to know what the stock market is going to do, watch what the Institutions are doing, not the economy.
They have graphs available online through Ameritrade that show when the Institutions are buying and selling.
Money is not made by buying and selling stock. Money is made by knowing how to control the losses.
Lowering of the Interest Rates is what brought on this terrible debt. The big corporation, rich and government (federal and states) have borrowed and spend at the Helm of Low interest rates, It is time to raise rates and stop the borrowing, It is time for the idiots who put this country and states in this jam to start repaying their debt. To start spending their windfalll Profits to create Jobs in this country and for the Tea Party and conservative Republican's to get out of Government so this country may start moving forward. It is time for the Rich who have caused this problem to start paying their fair share of the Tax Load. So wake up America and get rid of those in Office who are to blame. George W. Bush and Sarah Palin
Jeff P
You'll be surprised how intelligent your parents have become when you get a little older. Just write this down right now and read it in 10 - 15 years. It will surprise you.
Mt Mike, you hit the nail on the head with a sledge hammer. Good post.
v2010, the Dummycrats had control of the White House, Senate and Congress and were unable to pass a budget for well over 800 days. All they wanted was a continuing resolution so they can keep the big spending programs going forward. Your ignorance is showing.
Jeff P-14, the S & P also stated that the biggest problem is the increasing deficit. How can you justify the Democrats automatic federal budget baseline increase of approx. 7.5% a year? Every year, year after year. No leftist in their right mind can keep supporting that. That's the dirty little secret in Washington. When they say cuts are draconian, they are talking about the decrease in the baseline increase already in place. If you want revenue increases, how about taxing the 51% of Americans who don't pay any federal income tax?
Teabagging Idiots, obviously your post should have left "Teabagging" and the "s" off of your post name. that would more appropriately describe your comment.
Alan, nice try. Wrong! You sound like a drone.
Ok, so now the market only lost 400+ points since yesterday . . . hardly good news. You need to report your assessments algebraically instead of your typical open nerve point estimates.
These big swings just confirms what I suspected all along, big money drives everything about Wall Street. Its not about the solidity of a Company and its operations, its about driving it up and driving it down to make money for the high frequency guys and hedge funds. Long term retirement in the stock market has never been a bigger gamble. A hell of a lot more folks will lose then will gain, no wonder people don't want Wall Street taking over SS.
@ kevin,
you are absolutely right. Yet incessant media coverage of stock market gorging/diarrhea drive the folk to distraction.
The Solidity of the Company is important if you wish to invest in that company.
And that's right this is just a distraction. The Government has no control nor influence on the Stock Market.
This is great news,i hope wall street dies a slow painful death.I don't need their bull$hit ponzi scheme.
As soon as people in this country wake up and realize this isn't a class warfare issue, nor is it a Democrat vs Republican issue, the sooner we can fix this.
None of this means anything as long as our "Federal Reserve" system (It's neither Federal, nor does it carry any reserves) is still owned lock, stock and barrel by the international banking cartels.
The "Fed" is not the answer, it is the problem.
The Federal Reserve Bank is owned and operated by the richest families, corporations on earth, including the Rothchilds, Rockfellers, Morgans, et al, and has been since they hoodwinked Woodrow Wilson into signing the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.
One of the architects, Mayer Amschel Rothschild (yes, the bankers themselves wrote the bill) said: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Look it up, W.W. later apologized to the American people once he realized what he'd done.
John F. Kennedy signed an Executive Order (#11110) in 1963 that would have made it illegal for the US to borrow money from the Fed, at interest, making the Fed unnecessary. He also began issuing new US currency to replace Federal Reserve Notes, which were, and still are, worthless paper.
5 months later he was shot dead, and his "United States Notes" were quietly and completely removed from circulation. The Executive Order was never rescinded, so it is still in fact, in effect. It is now, simply ignored by those in power.
Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money.
{ see why at www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm }
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Translation: can't refute a word...
Economy is always about class warfare. If all assets are concentrated to only a few people then the economy stagnates. This has always been proven through out history.
15 Mind Blowing Charts about the Wealth and Income Disparity in America.
Vote Republican and you Vote against yourself.
http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-about-inequality-in-america-2011-11
Here's your prediction - nothing. Geithner is an apologist for obama, obama thinks he can blame the tanking of the economy on the repubs and ride that to victory in 2012. No way this guy is giving up his private jet -- we taxpayers pay for.
You also have to keep in mind that much of this economic swinging has been engineered by folks like Goldman-Sachs. Consider this next statement:
"You require an operation to save your life, and there are two procedures that can be used. The first has a 95% mortality rate, the other has a 5% survival rate." Which will you choose?
It doesn't matter which you actually choose, you've only a 5% chance of survival, but odds are, like most, you opted for the procedure that has a 5% survival rate, because it sounds better.
These folks know these same marketing "tricks", and use them to encourage or discourage investing. Why would they want to do that? Simple - they've sunk their own personal money behind one particular candidate or another and will do everything they can to make sure to get the return-on-investment they want.
The candidate they are backing has likely promised them tax breaks and legislative loopholes that will ensure they make a profit on putting their money behind their candidate. That's how US politics really work, and things are not going to change until we've buried the last "What's-in-it-for-me"-er.
Economy is always about class warfare. If all assets are concentrated to only a few people then the economy stagnates. This has always been proven through out history.
I read the article. More cut and cover and little else.
Financials, Bankers, Commodities, Insurance blocks are untouchable. Their fraud and wealth consolidation will go unchecked. States will have to endure the end game of Supply Side Economics. US population will have to take steps backward.
These are the dues for the American people who have permitted Wars of fraud and Wars of profit. The unchecked Financial Apparatus is insatiable.
The American people have been conditioned for acceptance.
Naw, we adapt. But this time it's all unacceptable. Before, when an economy tanked like this? Corporations and banks suffered losses as well. This time they sit on trillions like hoarders while this country sinks lower. This time the global economy is hurting and unstable as well, so they have no place to run to but to each other. And that is easy to track. They have the proverbial spot light on them now all over the world.
Gee......do you think that if the States get cut backs by the Federal government that maybe be the States could use that as an excuse to really, REALLY, really start taking a long hard look at how WELFARE is doled out and how much the States are paying out to SUPPORT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS with food stamps, welfare, medical, education, etc, ect. It needs to be done and maybe the US financial crisis is just the excuse needed to put POLITICAL CORRECTNESS aside and do the right thing.
R.Woodward; The tea Publicans, are not the answer to the problem, they are the problem!!!
I'm not a Tea party member or supporter, but it's not just them - it's them all. There are so many problems with today's Washington that it will take someone who is willing to go only a single term to help fix all the things that are in need of repair. Starting with campaigning all the way through to term limits.
Banks who sit on trillions have the capability to move their own stocks in a positive direction. If you are a bank, you don't want to see the red for too long because then people will move their money to gold or just cash it out and keep it in a safe or inside the mattress. That's only going to last for so long. That money is capital they already have. They lose it then recoup, lose it then recoup. If they saw a tangible bundle of paper money? They would see numbers on those bills return to them consistently. "Oh I remember this bill from last week. Look it has that coffee stain from the Frappacino I had."
Let the market find its own level, do not put another dime into this dark pool, only the wealthy will come out on top and end up holding more of our money!!!
Don't you liberals care about grandma and grandpa who have some of their retirements in stocks? Oh you mean, evil liberals.
And the feds holding interest rates at zero are what, hero's? Please.
The Stock Market is not that hard to learn how it works. Maybe if you'd learn how it works instead of thinking you have to let some broker take care of it for you, you would learn how to make money at it.
You have to monitor your own stocks because only you care about your money, a broker only cares about their commissions.
You need a broker to buy and sell and place the options if you've learned options but you have to tell him what to do. For you to tell him what to do, you have to take a course in it. Courses only take up one saturday and Sunday.
Human beings you are so right.Don't pay any attention these corporate serfs on here,because in the end they will be a bunch of losers falling for the corporate scheme.
Time to slap massive tariffs on all Chinese imports and force Americans to buy (and manufacture) American goods.
Sure have you seen what our closed factories look like? I'm afraid all thats left for us is "would you like fries with that?"
I agree with import duties but they should be ramped up over time so things can adjust. Remember as we increase the duties, we will pay more for the items we currently get so cheaply. It is a balancing act and will take a while.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, had the governors of the state been nice to Obama they would have got their fair share but if they were like Scott out of Florida, they get coal!!!! hahahahhha
Geithner needs to go. Ever since this President has taken office, he has been apologizing to other nations, getting lectured from Russia & China. We used to be the superpower, and this administration has made us a pathetic laughingstock. Not to mention bankrupting us. 2010 cant come son enough if we want to get this coutry back to what it was.
That's right. No president before Obama has ever done anything wrong. Our $15T debt happened just this last year and the ~$115T in unfunded liabilities piled up two years ago.
Obama hasn't been the best there was, but it was started long, long before he came along.
With the emergence of China as a manufacturing superpower and U.S. investors (like me and you) wanting higher profits, companies had to flock to cheaper labor and the U.S. became too expensive. This is nothing new as we've been moving from higher price labor to lower price labor since for-profit has been in existence. Just ask the New Englander's about losing textiles to the southern, slave supported states.
The United States of China.
Well, Well I was wondering when our new Masters, China would be taking us to "the wood pile"!!
you can tell all those who are into class warfare, probably don't have a damn bank account, those mooching the system...those who have either not worked long enough or somehow squirrel away barely enough to live on some day. They all wish the market would go to hell. Well, what's that going to do for you? Don't expect any hand-outs from mommy and daddy who did the best they could to provide and plan for a future not dependent on Big Brother to wet nurse them to their grave. Forget anything left over when your pain-in-the-ass parents finally croak and had hoped to leave you a house, some sort of savings for ya.
While you wish for the demise of Wall Street, why don't you wish for the inept, destructive, clueless government we have to just go away, cease to exist. Spending 14 1/2 trillion more than what we have pretty much sums up the predicament we are in. What is the one thing government excels at? Spending other peoples' monies. AND GET PAID FOR DOING IT!
Beev: Are you soliciting help from all the people who bailed the stock market out just a couple of years ago???
You will have to make a better case than that to get any more of my money!!!
Spending other peoples money! correction: government and wall street the banks etc.!!!
I know you will say we are not asking for money! "right" Qe1 Qe2 now what???
I just bought a Chinese motor scooter, it came in a crate, shipped out of California. It did not run, well, it ran for about 30 seconds then quit, never started again. I'm out $1700, including shipping. We would do the economy alot of good by restricting the import of lots of low quality Chinese goods. It would make room for more American companies that might make better quality stuff. You can't buy an American motor scooter, we don't make any, like so many other things, we really don't make anything. I tried to get it fixed, but local mechanics don't work on Chinese stuff because it is such low quality stuff, it really can't be fixed, according to them. They really should be banned in the US, illegal to sell them here, they are such low quality, they are really dangerous. We need a trade deal with them, banning most of the low quality and dangerous products that they ship here. We need some kind of inspection, and oversight, of such products to see if they are worthy, or just plain junk, a huge rip-off. It would help the economy tremendously if such trade deal existed. So much of that Chinese stuff is just junk, and should not really be marketed here. I bought the scooter to save on gas, $1700 is alot of gas. It was supposed to be warrantied, but you can't even get a hold of them by phone, or by e-mail, and the California Attorney General is a maze, haven't tried the Ok. AG yet. At any rate, I think I'm out $1700 on a piece of Chinese junk.
Gtbdave - Do you remember the stories about how the American Indians were swindled out of what they owned for worthless beads & trinkets? Or, when the cheap crap from Japan invaded our country shortly after WWII? What do you think China is doing to us now? Building up their own reserves against us with our own money? A blind folded out of touch government can not see that?
Buying something made in another country is not usually a smart move. By the time transport, middlemen & other fees are paid & collected, purchasing cheap shoddy goods at top dollar doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you can do nothing with them or the product when things go wrong but to throw it all away because dealing with the manufacturers, distributors is about equal to throwing the product away. Not to mention helping to put U.S. manufacturing workers out of employment?
Unfortunately, the best move is to count the expensive lessons learned, throw the crap away, sell it for scrap or frame it on the wall as a sad rememberance of past mistakes made to never make again & move on to greener pastures. Also very unfortunately, our own government is generally unable, lacks the desire for other reasons or is incapable of helping because of where some productscome from. Chinese goods are definitelythings that should be sold with a buyer beware labels on them. Most aren't worth the trash can they usually soon land in. Unless that trash can is also made there too?
Our own government has sold us down the river in at least three ways. One, for allowing the imported stuff into our country without much scrutiny or control. Secondly, for encouraging companies to do business completely with companys in other countries or to move labor & product manufacturing there. And, thirdly by imposing harsh regulations on ourown countriesproducts & not from other countries.
Not much of what the U.S. government has currently done has been in or for the best over all interest of the U.S. citizen, consumer or worker from what I have heard or seen. Maybe, that's a fourth way or reason?
Do we really need to be afraid of imported products? Unfortunately yes, as we've seen all too many times when it negatively effects the safety & welfare of us, our food, medicine & most other aspects of normal every day life. Imports have poisoned more than just ours & our families food, medicine, toys & other household materials. They've also poisoned our minds with cheaper pricing to get a hold of our lives with shoddy substandard goods while helping to put us out of employment.
Upset? Yes, but at who for what? Do we need them in government to pass the buck onto someone else again or to do what they're supposed to be doing by protecting us, our welfare & our interests? Essentially, all they have done is sold us out & down the river for the best price to potential invaders.
Government waste and corruption must be exposed. Example, the National Passport Center in Portsmouth, NH has nine assistant directors. Each make about $120K and receive health care, retirement, and life insurance courtesy of hardworking American taxpayers. If they show up for work (they have sick and annual leave too), they usually spend time surfing the web and reading emails.
UWillGetTruth banned, rereg of multiple accounter YourTruth4u.
The Fed is lost in the same fog without a compass as is Obama. These jokers are good for nothing except blaming others for their problems and incompetence.
I would love to have attended your school where you watch compass and come to economic decisions.You are exactly right.Chart your compass for your rich companies.Send jobs away then bring back the finished products for us to buy here in America.Chart your blame on the right person SHIPMATE.
Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is
brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not
stand:
Government opperates dividing itself from Religion; Does not protect any; from the prophesy of scripture.
Breez,
Not everyone shares your religious preference....
Those who do not like the separation of church and state should consider the possibility that, one day, a religion other than Christianity could become the "church." Would you still want government and religion undivided then?
The one thing that I hope never changes with our government is separation of church and state. We wouldn't be a free country without it.
that means stop running for re- election obama you are not going to win anyways. it's all about you and not the country or the people, what a shame that you did this to the people that put you in office, should have stayed with the small dogs on the porch.
Ladies and Gentlemen...place your bets!
There will be no gloating until the fat senator sings!
CROW PIE FOR SALE.......wanna bite?
China to U.S.- "Udowsolow. Usuksolong. Ubegusnow."
Raise interest rates back to a point that people who have saved can earn interest on their own money!
Let the stock market colapse, it's nothing but organized crime anyway.