Dow shoots up at the close

Update 4:50 p.m.: And that's the final count: Up 430 points, or 4 percent, at 11,239.97. 

The Dow Jones Industrial Average recovered two-thirds of the value it lost Monday, when it registered its sixth-largest decline ever.  The Nasdaq Composite Index — which also swung sharply back and forth all day — ended up 124.83 points, or 5.3 percent, at 2,482.52.

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The wild swings Tuesday — as many as 450 points in a single hour — inspired  cartoonists with the same metaphor: the roller coaster. Click here for the slideshow.

Joe Heller / Green Bay Press Gazette, Politicalcartoons.com

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Update 4 p.m. ET: The wild day on Wall Street is ending with yet another surprise. After a couple of hours of massive swings (as many as 450 points in a single hour) the Dow Jones Industrial Average zoomed to its highest level of the day, to 11,239.97 — a 430-point gain over Monday.


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Update 3:30 p.m. ET: The Fed's pledge Tuesday to keep interest rates at record lows for two more years comes couched in downbeat assessments of the economy. At the same time, it indicated that it refuses for now to take further action, which appears to be giving markets fits. 

Msnbc.com's John W. Schoen says Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues "have very few cards left to play." 

"Since the Panic of 2008, the central bank has flooded the financial system with cash, spending $1.4 trillion to buy bonds backed by high-risk mortgages and snapping up another $900 billion in Treasury bonds," Schoen writes. "The Fed's easy money policy is designed to keep credit flowing after the collapse of a decade-long borrowing binge."

Neil Irwin of The Washington Post agrees, calling the statement "a modest step" and saying that "by explicitly stating the central bank's easy money policies — specifically, a short-term interest rate target near zero — for two more years, the Fed is hoping to lower interest rates throughout the economy to encourage immediate investment and consumption."

Matt Phillips of The Wall Street Journal noted that three members of the Federal Open Markets Committee voted against the statement.

"The market doesn't like the look of the dissension in the ranks on the FOMC. It's not just the folks at the extremely hawkish — meaning inflation focused — wing of the committee who were squawking about the change to the extended period language," Phillips writes.

But Joseph Arsenio, managing director of Arsenio Capital Management in Larkspur, Calif., was more optimistic:

"The reason the market is down is because slow growth over an extended period is embedded in that statement. I don't believe that will be the case. The Fed's ability to project growth has been poor. All this indicates is the Fed will tolerate a higher level of inflation."
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CNBC's Sue Herera parses the Federal Reserve's plan to keep key interest rates at record lows.

Update 3 p.m. ET: As the Federal Open Markets Committee released its statement Tuesday afternoon, the stock market dived sharply. Since then, it has been gyrating wildly, falling or rising as far as 175 points in minutes. 

A 3 p.m. ET, the Dow was down 59½ points, 320 lower than it had been a couple of times before the statement came out at 2:15 p.m. The Nasdaq composite index was down 16. The yield on 10-year Treasury notes was down to 2.27 percent, its low for the year. Oil prices sank by $2.03 a barrel. Gold — a retreat for investors in tough markets — was up to a near-record $1,766 an ounce. 

There's still no way to definitively answer the question posed by Reuters: Will the Fed decision "be enough to put a floor on a U.S. stock market"? But early indications are that the answer will be "no."

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Update 2:30 p.m. ET: Reuters says it's "unclear whether the (Fed) decision, which involved no new commitment of funds for bond purchases, would be enough to put a floor on a U.S. stock market that has fallen more than 15 percent in the last two weeks."

That uncertainty appeared to be reflected on Wall Street, where the Dow swung sharply back and forth as investors digested the news. 

The Fed said economic growth was weaker than expected and that inflation was likely to "remain contained."

"The committee currently anticipates that economic conditions — including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run — are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through mid-2013," it said.

 

Here's the full statement:

Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in June indicates that economic growth so far this year has been considerably slower than the Committee had expected.  Indicators suggest a deterioration in overall labor market conditions in recent months, and the unemployment rate has moved up.  Household spending has flattened out, investment in nonresidential structures is still weak, and the housing sector remains depressed.  However, business investment in equipment and software continues to expand.  Temporary factors, including the damping effect of higher food and energy prices on consumer purchasing power and spending as well as supply chain disruptions associated with the tragic events in Japan, appear to account for only some of the recent weakness in economic activity.  Inflation picked up earlier in the year, mainly reflecting higher prices for some commodities and imported goods, as well as the supply chain disruptions.  More recently, inflation has moderated as prices of energy and some commodities have declined from their earlier peaks.  Longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable.

Consistent with its statutory mandate, the Committee seeks to foster maximum employment and price stability.  The Committee now expects a somewhat slower pace of recovery over coming quarters than it did at the time of the previous meeting and anticipates that the unemployment rate will decline only gradually toward levels that the Committee judges to be consistent with its dual mandate.  Moreover, downside risks to the economic outlook have increased. The Committee also anticipates that inflation will settle, over coming quarters, at levels at or below those consistent with the Committee's dual mandate as the effects of past energy and other commodity price increases dissipate further.  However, the Committee will continue to pay close attention to the evolution of inflation and inflation expectations.

To promote the ongoing economic recovery and to help ensure that inflation, over time, is at levels consistent with its mandate, the Committee decided today to keep the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent.  The Committee currently anticipates that economic conditions--including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run--are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through mid-2013.  The Committee also will maintain its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its securities holdings.  The Committee will regularly review the size and composition of its securities holdings and is prepared to adjust those holdings as appropriate.

The Committee discussed the range of policy tools available to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability.  It will continue to assess the economic outlook in light of incoming information and is prepared to employ these tools as appropriate.

Voting for the FOMC monetary policy action were: Ben S. Bernanke, Chairman; William C. Dudley, Vice Chairman; Elizabeth A. Duke; Charles L. Evans; Sarah Bloom Raskin; Daniel K. Tarullo; and Janet L. Yellen.

Voting against the action were: Richard W. Fisher, Narayana Kocherlakota, and Charles I. Plosser, who would have preferred to continue to describe economic conditions as likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate for an extended period.

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Update 2:23 p.m. ET: The Dow Jones Industrial shot downward as soon as the Federal Open Markets Committee announced it was likely to hold key interest rates steady for the next two years. After coming close to a 250-point gain a couple of times Tuesday, the Dow had given back all its gains and was down about 30 points.

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Update 2:20 p.m. ET: The Federal Open Markets Committee says it will likely keep a key interest rate at a record low for two more years. Updates to come.

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Update 2:15 p.m. ET: After coming close to a 250-point gain a couple of times Tuesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was falling in anticipation of a statement from the Federal Open Markets Committee.

Many economists were dubious about the prospect that the Federal Reserve committee would take strong action to stem losses on the markets (see below). At 2:15 p.m. ET, as the statement was scheduled to be released, the Dow was up 95.06 points had fallen back below 11,000 at 10,904.

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Gene Sperling of the National Economic Council talks to NBC News' Andrea Mitchell.

 

Update 1:48 p.m. ET: Gene Sperling, President Barack Obama's chief economic adviser, blames "hard-line" political posturing for the turmoil in the economy.

"Putting our economy first and our politics second is what's imperative" for a recovery, Sperling says in an interview with NBC's Andrea Mitchell. 

But he refuses to predict what the Federal Open Market Committee might do when it releases a statement at 2:15 p.m. ET.

"Smart economic advisers at the White House don't comment on the independent Federal Reserve," he said.

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Update 1:38 p.m. ET: The Federal Open Market Committee is expected to release a statement about 2:15 p.m. ET after its meeting. There's a lot of speculation about what, if any, concrete steps the Fed committee will take, but CNBC's executive news editor, Patti Domm, cautions that "the decline in financial markets is viewed as too fresh for the Fed to react to in any major way."

Joseph LaVorgna, chief economist at Deutsche Bank, tells Domm the Fed has few options left.

"I think what they should and will do is downgrade the growth outlook, downgrade the inflation run up and just say rates are going to stay where they are until the economy gets traction — essentially a downshifting of tone and that's it," LaVorgna said. "Effectively, there are no policy levers left."  

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Update 1:08 p.m. ET: The Treasury Department says Secretary Timothy Geithner spoke by phone with his Chinese counterpart, Vice Premier Wang Qishan, about "the challenges facing the global economy and the state of global financial markets."

The terse statement from Treasury gave no further details on the call, so it's not known what hey said. But China has been withering in its criticism of the Obama administration's economic policies in recent days.

In a commentary dated Wednesday, the official Chinese news agency, Xinhua, wrote that Washington remains "hamstrung" economically and politically. Unless Washington rights the ship, Xinhua said, the current crisis will "depress global trade and send biting chills through many exports-dependent countries.

In what Reuters said might be a sign that Beijing's stance was softening, however, Premier Wen Jiabao urged nations Tuesday to work together to stabilize the markets.

"Speaking after a regular meeting by the Chinese cabinet, Wen alluded to debt problems in the United States and Europe and called on 'relevant' countries to implement responsible monetary policies and rein in fiscal deficits," Reuters reported.

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Update 12:45 p.m. ET: Economists are all over the map when it comes to whether the weakening markets mean the underlying economy is weakening.

In a note to investors, Merrill Lynch credit strategist Hans Mikkelsen said the sell-off over the past couple of weeks is a "reassessment higher of the probability that the US slips back into recession."

Monday's 634-point drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average "appears motivated by such continued economic fears, more so than the S&P's downgrade" of the U.S. credit rating last week, Mikkelsen wrote Monday, saying Merrill expected "very slow economic growth — but not the recession that appears to be increasingly priced into spreads."

Rather than the expected and actual US downgrade we think that the biggest factor behind the sell-off in corporate credit over the past couple of weeks — including today — has been an increase in the probability that the US economy will enter another recession in the not too distant future. For example our economists last week estimated a 35% probability of the US entering a new recession over the next year.

But Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, told The New York Times that that's not necessarily the case:

Admittedly, aside from the stock market slide, signs are not exactly great right now for the economy. But Mr. Shepherdson is taking heart from the 4.8 percent increase in chain store sales reported by Redbook Research during the first week of August compared with a year earlier.

Consumer confidence reports have been dismal recently, but Mr. Shepherdson points out that when you ask people "'how do you feel, they say 'miserable.' But that doesn't necessarily mean you don't go shopping."

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Update 12:25 p.m. ET: The impact of this month's market turmoil will be especially big on state budgets, many of which have already been slashed in recent sessions.

Virginia Finance Secretary Ric Brown said the state will likely have to make even further cuts in a projected budget that already has to account for required increases in school funding formulas, improvements to mental health care and greater contributions to the state pension fund.

Now "we will be reassessing all of that," in light of the market downturn, Brown told NBC station WVIR-TV of Charlottesville.

In Washington state, Gov. Christine Gregoire said agencies and workers must find additional budget cuts as high as 10 percent. That's on top of $4.5 billion in projected spending already identified in this year's legislative session, mainly coming from education funding, The Associated Press reported

"For every two steps forward in the recovery, it seems we are taking one step back," Gregoire wrote in a letter to state employees this week.

In Minnesota, Budget Commissioner Jim Schowalter said the market downturn will likely "have ripple effects throughout our economy."

Minnesota is already borrowing $700 million to help balance its current budget, Minnesota Public Radio reported, plus $500 million more to fund public works projects. Now, Schowalter said, the state will probably be forced to pay more to borrow.

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Update 12:04 p.m. ET: After a day of "serious extremes," the markets are experiencing an expected rebound, says Arthur Cashin, UBS Financial Services' director of floor operations. But "the key is 2:15," he tells CNBC. "What will the Fed say?"

 

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Update 11:51 a.m. ET: European markets are closing broadly higher: The FTSEurofirst 300 closed up 1.3 percent at 948.21, and the STOXX Europe 600 was up 3 percent at 232.31.

Reuters said traders were "rummaging around for bargains, with hopes the U.S. Federal Reserve will hint at a plan to revive the economy."

"Short-term, the market will hinge on what the Fed has to say, but we think the next few months will remain volatile," said Julian Chillingworth, chief information officer at Rathbones Brothers of London. "It is difficult to say whether now is the right time to buy."

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Update 11:32 a.m ET: The market turmoil  comes just as the Federal Open Market Committee is about to release a statement that could have a big impact.

Goldman-Sachs predicted the Fed "will take steps toward slightly easier policy":

After several months of disappointing economic data and the recent market rout, we forecast that the FOMC will take steps toward slightly easier policy at today's meeting. Specifically, we look for the committee to indicate that the size of its balance sheet will remain unchanged for an extended period of time-similar to the guidance it already gives for the level of the federal funds rate. We see a good chance that the statement will also include an explicit easing bias, signaling that the committee is monitoring economic and financial developments and is prepared to provide additional accommodation if necessary. Our forecasts assume that the Fed will eventually shift the composition of its Treasury purchases toward longer-duration securities, but we do not expect that step at today's meeting. Finally, the statement will undoubtedly include a downgrade of the committee's assessment of current conditions, perhaps acknowledging that weakness has been less transitory that anticipated.

"Given the turmoil in the market," ForexYard also expects "the Fed to take action:"

"(T)he Fed could change the wording in its statement to reflect its intention to hold interest rates at lows for a longer period of time," the online broker predicted. "The Fed could also signal its intention to hold longer maturity assets on its balance sheet. All of these would be a USD negative. A failure by the Fed to act may also unnerve investors which could be positive for the dollar."

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So, Sterling blames politics for our economic woes.  What a load of horse manure.  How about placing blame where it lies, at the feet and in the lap of our failed incompetent president and perhaps his criminal administration's financial advisers.  Obama is an abysmal failure, he can't lead or govern, all he knows how to do is campaign and he has been doing that since before 2007.  These guys try to divert our attention from our fundamental problem, a president who doesn't know how to preside.  His supporters either pay no taxes or else they are on the government dole.  He figures as long as he passifies them and pretends to protect their sizeable largesse, then he will get re-elected.  Now that would be a double catastrophe, a disaster of enormous proportions.

    Reply#29 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:11 PM EDT

    When will the idiots in this administration quit blaming everyone else and start leading? Why is congress and the president more interested in vacations and fund raising than doing their jobs. It is about time that these people get their heads out of the dark and went to work to solve problems rather than blame everyone else.

    It has become a real boor.

      Reply#30 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

      U.S. to China- "I.O.U. long time now".

        Reply#31 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM EDT

        Why doesn't Obama just look in a mirror. He is the one playing politics. It is a ll he does do.

          Reply#32 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM EDT

          Mr. President you can't point your fingures at others under your watch, your the president for crying out loud. The american people are mad because let teapartiers dictate the outcome, instead of you going to "war" to protect what is great for this nation.

          Mr. President you backed down like a chea-pet, instead of fighting like a pitbull!

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          Reply#33 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:16 PM EDT

          OF COURSE, it's politics. Well, if by politics you mean Teabaggers.

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          Reply#34 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:19 PM EDT

          Teabaggers: America's REAL domestic terrorists.

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          Reply#35 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:21 PM EDT

          totally original DUDE!

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          #35.1 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT

          Left-wing nut sackers: America's REAL, total political idiots and despots.

            #35.2 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 4:57 PM EDT

            You may think you are free. You are not. You are owned by Obama, a failed incompetent president who can't govern, he can only campaign. And since you support Obama, you have to be in one of two categories; you either pay no taxes whatsoever or else you are totally on the government dole. Which one is it, Anti? Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose, you moron.

              #35.4 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:35 AM EDT
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              Print enough dollars to pay off the debt. All of our debt is in the dollar anyway.

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              Reply#36 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:27 PM EDT

              Jam 3965 don't try to make any sense, these people don't think.They are like an old junk yard dog that has had all of his teeth kicked out.

                Reply#37 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:44 PM EDT

                Fed should be abandoned in deep sea as a sinking ship that has been built using faulty design and finished with poorly fused joints. The Fed can't keep this USA ship afloat by loading the holds with tons of printed paper expecting it to be able to navigate around danger while stay afloat in torrential storms. The Fed should never have existed. Besides that - The A$$yr1an" is with us and leading the hari kari of our nation.

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                Reply#38 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 2:57 PM EDT

                GOOD! They already tried do something, it didnt work, and put us in trillions of dollars further in debt

                  Reply#39 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT

                  .... And now for your amusement...another bunch of bafoons speak......and the market listens...and SELLS

                  time for aliens to abduct all of Washinton DC.........the opposite of everything good about America is in politics

                    Reply#40 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT

                    U Will Get Truth wouldn't that just make Chinese Junk more expensive for us?That would be agood idea if the U.S. made some thing to replace the Chinese junk,but right now almost all American factories are vacant.I think that the machinery was sold off.It was either sold and shipped to another country or sold for scrap.They have no intention of giving American Workers a job.The money people have run us up a tree and now they are cutting the tree down.We need to find new trees.

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                    Reply#41 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:16 PM EDT

                    Made in China = looks right..ain't right

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                    #41.1 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT
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                    oh, oh.....the market propper-uppers have been busy in the last 1/2 hr.

                    Fed speaks......1 hr later....a lil smoke and mirrors...up 100!

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                    Reply#42 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:19 PM EDT

                    so when are the "job creators " gonna start diving out windows ?

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                    Reply#43 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT

                    The Chinese sold all of that caustic drywall to Lowe's home centers and now they don't want to make good for all of that drywall.Lowe's may wind up having to go bankrupt.It would cost Lowe's millions and millions of dollars if they have to go in all of the homes that have that Chinese drywall in them and replace that drywall.

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                    Reply#44 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:23 PM EDT

                    Astonished-655682, are you insane? I have been forced to pay Social Security tax since 1958, and Medicare tax since its inception. These are not entitlements. They are what we all thought was the return on our investment in the future of our country. Now, idiots and tea baggers call them entitlements and want to eliminate the benefit we have paid for. The problem with that payback is that the thieves and liars in Washington have filched all of the money to pay off their union buddies and big banks. Turns out, SS and Medicare are the most elaborate Ponzi schemes ever contrived. That aside, I paid for it and I want it.

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                    Reply#45 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT

                    Dubya tried T.A.R.P. and what did that do?Big banks and big hedge funds own all of those Super Computers that run the stock market.THey buy and sell stocks in microseconds.I didn't know that was going on until I saw it on " 60 Minutes."They probably were doing that when I lost my 401k back in '08.If a computer controls all of those stock purchases you know that a computer programmer controls the computer.The middle class has so many people working against us I don't know of a way to get a break.Dubya really stacked the deck against us.I was doing so well before he was elected President,they were the best years of my life.The last 10 years haven't been worth two dead flies.It has to get better,I don't know how but it has to get better.

                      Reply#46 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

                      To JamesDouglasMorrison, what is that, the name of yet another famous assasin?  You wil not sit back and watch enablers?  What does that mean? Are you going to VOTE or something?  You're confusing the silly-ass Tea Party of today to the Boston Tea Party patriots of 1776 are you not?  The majority of us know better then think that anything good can come from the un-informed morons who claim to be modern day patriots.  Tea Party my ass!  Go vote for Sara Palin in 2012, yeah, that will fix us all, huh?

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                      Reply#47 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

                      This statement is the most perfect example that describes an uninformed moron who claims to be a modern day patriot.

                        #47.1 - Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:53 AM EDT
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                        Bill 1942- we need to make all of the Presidents that took money out of Social Security pay it back.Every freaking President since Ronald Reagan has taken money out of Social Security.When Ronald Reagan revised Social Security one of the laws his panel wrote into law states that the Social Security Trust fund can not carry a surplus.The surplus must be loaned back to the Federal Government.So far President Obama is the only President that hasn't taken money from the fund.Right now we are carrying a $2.5tril. balance.The problem is that they are in Special Treasury Notes.These Notes have no value except when the Treasury has the cash to pay for them.In other words we will probably have to borrow from China to redeem them.

                          Reply#48 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 3:59 PM EDT

                          Alright now the "Big Money" boys are fighting over who will be stuck with the WORLD DEBT.LAST MAN OUT LOSES.The last bank to liquidate will lose.Everybody is dumping their junk bonds.BURN BABY BURN.

                            Reply#49 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 4:05 PM EDT

                            America must get out of the world market.NOW

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                            Reply#50 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT

                            That's right tiredofit-3716172,let it die and disappear.

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                            #50.1 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 4:41 PM EDT
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                            Politics to blame for slump? - No, bad nearsighted self serving politics is.

                            When politics for the sake of politics alone forsakes the general public & their interests we all suffer. Looking down the road too far doesn't help the here & now. And, neither does just paying attention to only what's up now either. Most times it takes a good balance between the two to get it straight. Bad politics & our government ignoring the general public needs & wants has backfired economically because of the instability it in itself has helped to create. What happens next? Basic human nature is to conserve when a need is threatened like ours has been by poor leadership. A bit of 101?

                            For example: Oil at about $85.00 a barrel & currently high fuel prices doesn't make logical sense to the average person when trying to make other ends financially meet. And, neither does the current economic chaos of society where when someone makes an average salary and they still can't make ends meet for their families to live a half way decent life.

                            Many people, if they are lucky enough to still have good steady full time employment with good benefits, can't afford to have the iconic American dream of owning their own home, a fairly new vehicle, food on the table, some sort of entertainment, money to pay all of their bills on time & still money still left over. How can we have an ideal or better society if our employment has gone overseas or elsewhere?

                            Why is that? The people that they have depended on, that supposedly are there to represent them by good leadership have let them down in almost every facet of life by making self centered & biased choices that have disastrous results of & by furthering their own careers at the expense of not supporting the general publics best interest in front of their own. Basically, we've been sold down the river by most of the representatives that are either not qualified, are biased towards other interests, are not seriously interested in their positions duties or are ignorant of them.

                            The effects? Instability in most every area of life & that one area eventually effects the other. Some blame the current financial crisis on just money. If it was just as simple as money, we wouldn't have much of a problem now would we? The cause? It is the lack of good leadership skills that have forsaken us all from what I have seen & heard.

                            A simple clue? When Federal minimum wage has no effect on the standard of living for most people. And, on top of that when most business compensates for a higher minimum wage by raising a products total price paid for everyone instead of reducing their own profits. What's really gained by that? A poorer overall economy. Who caused it? Wouldn't it be who started it? Does our own out of touch government ring a bell?

                            When our own leaders knowingly or ignorantly sell out their own country out for the sake of making a name for themselves, the name they earn or make may not be the same one they were seeking huh? Selling out or allowing our countries employment & materials doesn't set too well with most Americans that I know of, so why does it sit so well with some of our current leaders?

                            Another thing that has sold us out: Allowing imports to come into this country cheaper than this countries sell for is counter productive & doesn't help. On the other hand, when far too many of U.S. made products are just as inferior as the imports, what is really gained? Who's really lost what? How did that happen? Too many government rules & regulations to realistically follow? Not enough compensation to make ends meet with honest employment? Maybe both?

                            For example: U.S. made vehicles may be safer than they were before. But, at what expense when they aren't always made as well, are more difficult or are more expensive to service & repair? What we really have gained may not have been worth the overall expense or loss when it defeats the overall purpose? Lives saved or lost some may understandably counter. I agree to some extent. But, when we screw up by what we do when it's done in the wrong fashion, what happens then? An example of this, if we had nationally decided instead on using better driving habits & education for our drivers, wouldn't accidents have declined without the need or for so much of the supposed safety devices that usually hinder more than help?

                            Real life economics from two different from both the sellers & buyers perspectives: Unfortunately, we have lost too many things in this country so far. Freedoms or not, things we were used to having before. Most of them, and the more important of them all are our good ethics & morals. That coupled with overly idealistic hard to follow rules that have been substituted for common sense, understanding & compassion for others is another loss we have suffered that hasn't helped much either.

                            Our lessons learned were in vain? Some of us have apparently missed the boat or class on how money is earned or how an end result is always secondary? How you make it or anything else is always primary - with honesty, integrity & fairness for everyone involved. To sum it up, real life economics isn't always just about the money, but it definitely effects it, huh? Rebound bullish business tactics hurt more than they help or resolve. K-Mart & Sears for example? Where are they now? It isn't high up on the ladder is it?

                            People want a good economy & more income? Who doesn't? It all starts with good common sense & not just with money from our government headed in the wrong directions again. Money has helped cause the economic problems we have now, along with poor decision making from them. More of it in the wrong areas won't help solve it anymore than it helped us out when the bad economy started. More & more is sometimes the problem when it comes to money. Less of it is sometimes easier to handle, especially when it is mismanaged & abused?

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                            Reply#51 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 5:00 PM EDT

                            I say, we take a vote with card check just like liberals want to manipulate the unions well, and those in favor of higher taxes we give them a special social security # with a picture of a donkey and raise their taxes to 60%. Those that vote against will get social security with picture of an elephant we pay a flat tax of 15% and we will be happy as pigs with lipstick.

                              Reply#52 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 5:01 PM EDT

                              Plima , why not just go with the Obama proposal to raise taxes 4%, from 35% TO 39%. That's all they are asking for.

                              The right keeps exagerating. They have lost all credibility with all their made up BS.

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                              #52.1 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT
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                              Market going up as I predicted. Can someone tell the Tea-baggers to stop betting against America?

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                              Reply#54 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 6:02 PM EDT
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