Man arrested after fatal shooting at Chicago hospital

A housekeeping employee suspected in the fatal shooting of a co-worker inside a hospital parking garage, which prompted an hours-long lockdown, was arrested during a Friday traffic stop, police said.

Angela Bonds, 48, of Riverside, was shot late Thursday in a University of Illinois at Chicago hospital garage and later died, authorities said. She was a housekeeper at the hospital who worked the second shift, UIC spokesman Bill Burton said.

University police said the suspect also was a hospital housekeeper and characterized the killing as an "apparent domestic-related shooting" in a campus alert posted early Friday on the school's website.

Officers pulled the 47-year-old suspect over for a routine traffic stop at 6:30 a.m. Friday, and the officer recognized him from a description in the alert, university police spokesman Mark Rosati said. The suspect fled the car and was arrested a few blocks away, he said.

A weapon was recovered but officers didn't immediately know whether it was used in the shooting.

Rosati said the suspect had worked at the hospital for 15 years, but he declined to discuss his relationship to Bonds.

The hospital was locked down for hours while police searched for the gunman but resumed normal operations around 5 a.m. Friday. Rosati said authorities don't believe the gunman was ever inside the hospital after the shooting.

The garage is near the hospital but not attached to it, Rosati said. He wasn't sure whether the hospital has metal detectors but said the university has security cameras posted indoors and outdoors across its 250-acre campus.

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like i always said the city of Chicago is full of thugs and they want too take away the honest peoples guns. nothing in Chicago but welfare, school drop outs 0 mentality idiots! taking away the guns is not the problem,when you find this ass excute him on the spot. that is a deterant too crime.

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#1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:11 AM EST

Unfortunately Marine55, as much as I support the right to own guns, the NRA is lobbying overtime to oppose all efforts, including those to keep guns out of the hands of your "thugs" also. Of course you need guns, you're making sure it's legal to give the enemy guns too! Freedom? Or just plain stupidity.

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#1.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:51 AM EST
Ken McCoyDeleted

Fred G, you suh are a total moron!

Get your head out of the sand and take a good hard look at reality.

Whenever the people start defending themselves with deadly force (and they DO have that right) the violent crime rate drops dramatically.

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#1.3 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:55 AM EST

This article is worded badly at best. What does a man being arrested in a routine traffic stop have to do with a fatal shooting at the hospital? There is nothing tying the two incidents together. So apparently this routine traffic stop has nothing to do with the shooting.

WHAT KIND OF IDIOT WROTE THIS ARTICLE?

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#1.4 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:48 AM EST

Actually Southern I don't know where you get that invented data. While I'm not an advocate of total control the fact point in the other direction. Texas that has some of the most relaxed gun control also sports the highest crime rates and is second in violent crime. As a matter of fact almost all Southern states have unusually high rates. Texas Beats New York, California, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio........ So where is this data located that supports your theory or is it just invented out of convenience?

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#1.5 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:23 AM EST

SouthernGent

"Whenever the people start defending themselves with deadly force (and they DO have that right) the violent crime rate drops dramatically."

BS! Please remove the "Southern" from your name, so that people don't assume it is the reason for your ignorance.

I carry BTW.

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#1.6 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:29 AM EST

Columbine HS kids are far more dangerous than this jilted lover.

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#1.7 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:45 AM EST

These tragedies bring out the gun nuts and the NRA shills.

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#1.8 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:50 AM EST

I find myself wondering 'what kind of idiots' read these articles.

SUSPECT in the shooting was arrested during routine traffic stop. We have a shooting and we have a suspect. What more could be said within the time frame to tie the two together?

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#1.9 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:40 AM EST

Tell me Squidword, is today make up "facts" day? What a bunch of B.S. you're slinging.

Here's a list of states that have higher violent crime rates than Texas:

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, DC, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Tennessee. Illinois' murder and robbery rates are substantially higher than Texas. (+50%).

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf

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#1.10 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:58 AM EST

Get your head out of the sand and take a good hard look at reality.

I did Jose, and just as I expected, the NRA opposes laws that deny guns to criminals. Or maybe you are upset because you are a criminal.

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#1.11 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:27 PM EST

Every city and town has criminals not just Chicago.

However, many states are denying American citizens their Constitutional right to bear arms, and no one has succcessfully challenged state laws so far in Federal court.

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#1.12 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:30 PM EST

the NRA opposes laws that deny guns to criminals

Such as?

    #1.13 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:37 PM EST

    Well, you'd actually have to do some work, which I can tell you is not as easy as talk radio or the opinion section of drive-by TV. But you could go back and have a close look at the history of the 7 day waiting period issue and the opinion of the NRA when it was being considered. Their own take? They state that they "lost" that one.

    Lost? I rest my case and stand 101% behind my reply. The rest you'll have to actually work for.

      #1.14 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:25 PM EST

      When will people learn that guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you make guns illegal the criminals will still have them and only the law abiding citizens will not. The bad guys are armed and we need more of the good guys armed. I am proud to be a Concealed Weapons Permit holder and I proudly carry a hand gun to protect me and my family.

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      #1.15 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:27 PM EST

      The 7 day waiting period? That's your example of a law that denies guns to criminals?

      You honestly think criminals walk into a store, fill out the paperwork, and submit to a background check to buy a firearm? Because those are the only sales that would be subject to your "waiting period". Criminals don't buy firearms from legal sources (without the help of the ATF).

      I think you're the one with some work to do.

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      #1.16 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:37 PM EST

      Squid... ponder this:

      http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=41196

      The article is from 2007, so I apologize in advance that it is not more current. Still, an interesting counterpoint to your assessment at comment 1.5

      DS already schooled you on your other (incorrect) assertion regarding violent crime rates, but I wanted to point out that Pennsylvania, Delaware and Maryland also have higher murder rates than TX, which often surprises some East-Coast defenders. See the breakdown here:

      http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

        #1.17 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:52 PM EST

        Sorry Jinky, but your rhetoric pretty much destroyed any chance your logic had. No, 7 days is not going to deny every criminal a gun, don't be stupid nor expect others to stoop to your intellect. The 7 days was initiated to allow law enforcement agencies at least some feeble chance to check registrations for fraud and outright criminal applicants. What did you think it was for? The NRA resisted heavily. They did not want fraudsters or criminal applicants to be found out?

        Nah, nice try but it won't fly. It could have been 30, 60 or 90. But even at a single workweek, the NRA spent millions to try and have it knocked down. The reason it passed? The NRA couldn't muster anything resembling a reasonable argument against a mere 7 days.

          #1.18 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:10 PM EST

          Gee Freddy, that really hurts. Grow up. What do you think NICS is for? The people pushing for 7 days wanted a "cooling off" period, as if everyone that went to purchase a gun was doing it to go kill someone and need time to think it over.

          Now you go ahead and throw some more insults so the people in this forum will get to see how childish you really are.

            #1.19 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:07 PM EST

            I read the law and the legislative process years ago. If you believe that these things did not take place and the public legislative records have been falsified then I doubt any of my childish arguments will do any good anyway. We can at least be thankful the Assoc. wishes to protect us from angry people if not from career criminals.

              #1.20 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:52 PM EST
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              Please elaborate just a bit, please: "A woman was shot dead at a hospital..." and "An ambulance was not able to reach the fatally wounded woman..." Why the ambulance? What it of the armored variety?

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              Reply#2 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:13 AM EST

              Yeah...really!? They called an ambulance to a hospital!? What an utterly screwed up system we have!

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              #2.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:18 AM EST

              I was wondering the same thing when reading the article. Just where in the hell were they going to take her?

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              #2.2 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:24 AM EST

              Not all hospitals are trauma centers capable of treating massive injuries. However I find it unlikely that a teaching hospital such as the University of Illinois at Chicago would be so ill prepared to treat a serious injury.

              The article doesn't make clear whether the shooting happened inside the hospital and they wanted to transport her elsewhere, or if it occurred on campus in a parking area and she still needed to be brought to the hospital itself. If it was the former, then I hope that I am never treated by a physician that was trained by the University of Illinois at Chicago. If it was the latter, then I have to wonder why the police responders couldn't scoop her up and rush her to the ER.

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              #2.3 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:40 AM EST

              Guys - she was shot in a PARKING GARAGE! Secondly - if you are familiar with teaching CAMPUSES - they are huge and that parking garage most likely was not very close to the trauma center. If it were - medical staff could have reach her quickly - but NOT while danger was still in the air. I have been in this situation many times when we have had gang related shootings and the person shot is just dropped off on the campus somewhere. The ambulance could have also been hospital owned - not sure. But calling an ambulance to transport the person to E.R from the parking garage is correct and the most efficient way to handle the issue. Trying to transport a patient on a gurney through hospital corridors with serious life threatening injuries is inefficient unless the E.R is within very close proximity.

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              #2.4 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:11 AM EST

              The woman was shot in the parking garage (of the hospital)...the gunman was last seen on the second floor (presumably of the hospital)...a second victim who was injured but not shot was taken into police custody. Obviously there are some facts still not reported in this article. Maybe the woman (possibly an employee of the hospital, or maybe a patient?) was followed out of the hospital and to the parking garage where she was shot by the gunman (former boyfriend), and thus until police arrived to secure the area, an ambulance could not be sent to the parking garage.

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              #2.5 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:33 AM EST

              @ Segdirb:

              That still doesn't explain why the police didn't scoop her up and transport her to the ER. In dangerous situations, that is the normal protocol.

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              #2.6 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:44 AM EST

              Normal protocol is "is the scene safe" for all medics and Police. If the scene is not secure, no one is dispatched to it. Believe me...they are staged within a close proximity but not put on scene until the scene is secure. This is done so that there is not 3-4 wounded instead of 1 person. Some gunmen like to wait and shoot a few extra victims as help arrives for the wounded. It would have been nice to be able to help the woman immediately with medics on the scene but with the gunman not located, it created a real problem. It sounds kind of heartless to operate this way but more lives are saved in the process. And unlike TV, doctors and nurses don't run around the hospital looking for sick and hurt people...that is the duty of the paramedic, who is equipped to handle just about everything needed for a victim...oxygen, IV fluids,etc. Everything that could have been done was done...believe me! But the situation was not quite the ideal for a quick, clean rescue. And to "scoop" someone up and run is not the ideal either. In gun shot wounds that activity could cause a person to bleed out faster than one can run.

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              #2.7 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:17 AM EST

              Excellent clarifications, Seg' and Wombat. That is the problem with television shows that purport to be 'realistic'. . . .they aren't. And credulous people believe that they are.

                #2.8 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:45 AM EST

                @ Wombat:

                The police are the ones to secure the scene. How do you think it happens? The dog catcher? I have worked in healthcare all my life, and part of that time was spent as an EMT. I have indeed been in the staging area for first responders while awaiting the police to secure an area following a murder.

                Don't tell me about protocols.

                @ jkatze: I have more than 1,000 ambulance calls to my credit, and 20 years as a nurse. I have forgotten more about the realities of both EMS and "normal" medical routines than you will ever learn.

                  #2.9 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:03 PM EST
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                  Hospital security has always been a joke; they hire rent-a-cops and expect these unarmed individuals to take on armed thugs. Most hospitals, including inner city hospitals, do not even have metal detectors as these are considered non-customer friendly. Hospitals need to wake up and have armed guards at each entrance and metal detectors at each entrance; if the detector goes off then pull the individual to the side and have them empty his/her pockets and search his/her bag(s).

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                  Reply#3 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:31 AM EST

                  No!

                  I am a career healthcare professional, and your idea is terrible. This shooting is tragic, but that's all that it is. It isn't endemic.

                  Look at all of the workplace shootings, should every business have armed guards stationed at every entrance? What about school shootings? Should the schools have armed guards at every entrance? We already live in a country that is dangerously close to a police state, and you want to hire armed guards to monitor every doorway that could potentially give an armed and dangerous person access to an enclosed space.

                  If you would like to live with that type of "security," please feel free to take an extended vacation in Algeria, Iran, Syria, China, or virtually every sub-sahara African nation.

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                  #3.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:49 AM EST

                  Couldn't agree with you more. Several years ago, I went to a state police academy and one of the trainees was from the state mental institute. He was actually authorized to carry a gun. The problem with him, he had the mentality of a six year old.

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                  #3.2 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:54 AM EST

                  A woman dies because the chicago police didn't have the balls to go in and get her. Sounds like it's time to start issuing concealed carry permits to law abiding illinois citizens! Chicago is a sh!thole and american citizens have the right to defend themselves!@!!!!

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                  #3.3 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:08 AM EST

                  Steve I would guess from the parking garage to the hospital. You wouldn't expect them to drag her there would you?

                    #3.4 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:43 AM EST

                    They needed the ambulance to take her somewhere safe,probably the nearest wal-mart...

                      #3.5 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:53 PM EST
                      Reply

                      register handguns

                        Reply#4 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:47 AM EST

                        OK, the victim would have been shot and killed with a "registered handgun". What does that change? Looks like we need to register people, not guns and start holding people accountable for their actions not guns or manufacturers. Are we going to "register" pencils and pens because students can't spell or write properly?

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                        #4.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:15 AM EST
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                        This shooting isn't the fault of the gun used. It isn't the fault of the company that manufactured the weapon. The blame doesn't rest with the lawmakers that can't restrict the availability of guns in America. The U.S. Supreme Court isn't responsible even though that is where the restrictive laws governing gun ownership in Chicago were overturned. And the Founding Fathers that gave every American the right to own a gun didn't cause this tragedy.

                        The entire blame lies with the one and only person that pulled the trigger and killed this poor woman. The blame MIGHT extend beyond the actual shooter, but only so far as the person that sold the gun, AND ONLY IF THE GUN WAS BOUGHT ILLEGALLY.

                        Guns are not the problem in this country. The violent desperation that a majority of Americans seem to suffer from is the problem. There is no quick and easy answer to that particular problem. Gun laws won't solve the problem, this woman could have been stabbed to death, poisoned, or beaten with a hammer just as easily.

                        Blame the killer, not the gun. Gun laws ONLY affect the law abiding citizens of this failing nation.

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                        Reply#5 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:01 AM EST

                        excellent job regurgitating NRA propaganda - you get an extra bullet.

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                        #5.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:03 AM EST

                        Purnell, a lighter moment in the aftermath of this tragedy is appreciated. Thank you!

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                        #5.2 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:37 AM EST

                        Purnell, your comment is misguided and in view of the circumstances inappropriate.

                        In response, the NRA is the banner group for maintaining 2nd Amendment rights, and is merely continuing the rhetoric of people from George Washinton, Thomas Jefferson, and Theodore Roosevelt. People who carry arms in compliance with local laws have in fact lowered the violent crime rate. Those facts are publicly available, and I don't get my information from FOX; it's also available from the Huffington Post, LA Times, NY Times, etc.

                        Do you get the drift? The perp was identified as the former boyfriend of the victim. Since the article merely quotes an ongoing story from the Chicago Tribune, and displays no evidence of actual journalistic investigation from either msnbc.com staff or The Associated Press, it would seem the version we see on this page is little more than an on-line version of "he said/she said". I personally would rather read this direct from 'The Trib'.

                        My sincere sympathies to the victim's family, no one should have to endure this level of tragedy at any time, least of all during this period of the year.

                        CG Veteran, VietNam

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                        #5.3 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:39 AM EST

                        The NRA should stick to making sure the dining places where we eat in public are clean and reasonably priced but when they stick their noses into preventing reasonable gun laws being enacted in this country they're over stepping their bounds!

                          #5.4 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:31 AM EST

                          preventing reasonable gun laws being enacted

                          Name one.

                            #5.5 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:43 AM EST

                            @ Purnell,

                            If I am "regurgitating NRA propaganda" then you are just repeating the same old tired hysterical ramblings of the liberal masses. "Blame the gun. Blame the gun manufacturers. Blame the politicians. But NEVER blame the criminal. He is just a victim."

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                            #5.6 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:13 PM EST
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                            Regarding the victim: condolences to her family and loved ones, this type of thing is tragic, and no one should have to go through that. Regarding the hospital: Most facilities with Emergency Rooms are able to treat patients once they are in the hospital, but they aren't staffed to run out to the parking lot with a gurney and pick up patients, besides, the scene wasn't secure anyway. Regarding the ambulance: They are often times prevented from entering the scene of an incident like this until the police secure it. You don't send unarmed paramedic's and EMT's into a scene where they might become victims.

                            Gun laws aside, this could just as easily have been someone with a knife and the result would have been the same.

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                            Reply#6 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:02 AM EST

                            when they find this bigot hope he gets charged with assassination+1st degree murder thats what this was!!

                              Reply#7 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:39 AM EST

                              bigot?

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                              #7.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:04 AM EST
                              Reply

                              The Tribune reported that the suspect was the 47-year-old former boyfriend of the slain woman.

                              As I started reading the article my thoughts were, 'husband or boyfriend'.

                              The article with the description of the boyfriend.

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                              Reply#8 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:45 AM EST

                              We need gun control, knife control, baseball bat control, and more important, Chicago control!

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                              Reply#9 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:11 AM EST

                              Skip all that and just cut straight to the chase: bullet control.

                                #9.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:00 AM EST
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                                Last year I posted a notice about when I tried to help the poor, by handing out $ 20.00 bills in downtown

                                Chicago. Chicago WAS my home and had been for 70 plus years. I allocated myself $ 1000.00 To pass out.

                                When I was down to around $ 700.00 YEP !! YOU GUESSED IT !! I WAS HELD UP !! The guy that needed

                                the money was of AREA people that I was trying to help. I should stay in my own AREA, I guess. Needless

                                to say , I will never try to help ANYONE again. Did I mention, that had been my 5th year in that AREA ??

                                I often wonder if he used that money to help others in that AREA ?????????

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                                Reply#10 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:36 AM EST

                                Opening early makes for great news clips of rushing shoppers and retailers anticipating huge sales figures.. But, at the end of the day, will retailers make a higher profit by opening so early? I don’t think so.

                                People would have shopped at some point between now and 12/25 anyway. All that has happened is, they have bought their gifts in one day, at a reduced profit for the retailer. It looks good on paper; I wonder if at the end the season it will still look so good.?

                                As for Retailers saying they are opening early for the benefit of the shopper. How dumb do they think we are?

                                  Reply#11 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:52 AM EST

                                  If you're going to be shot anywhere, the hospital is definitely the best place.

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                                  Reply#12 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:54 AM EST

                                  Gun free areas are just NOT safe places to be. Too many guns.

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                                  Reply#13 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:56 AM EST

                                  Fine. You gird your loins with bare fists, I prefer my Mossberg and other "equalizers". It's like Sean Connery in the Untouchables walking down his hallway when I goon comes at him with a knife...Connery has a pistol; "Ain't that just like a Wop, bring a knife to a gunfight."

                                  Respect the hell out of guns, hope I NEVER have to use one. But in these trying/desperate times where I'm afraid things are going to get a hell of a lot worse...I prefer to hedge my bets...improve my odds.

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                                  Reply#14 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:06 AM EST

                                  So. Who is the other victim that was arrested? Kinda confused MSNBC....

                                    Reply#15 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:13 AM EST

                                    I am so glad that we had guns to protect ourselves, to bad the women didn't carry a mac-10

                                      Reply#16 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:14 AM EST

                                      yes sir obamas shining star rob emanuel has cleaned up the streets of chicago. now only the thugs and the corrupt police have guns.

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                                      Reply#17 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:16 AM EST

                                      A fur trimmed hoodie...bling of the finest realm. Goes perfectly with the white gym shoes. Add the gun and whaddaya got? An NBA wannabe.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#18 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:18 AM EST

                                      This is totally BS I support the Police an Fire Dept an are Military. but come on Man with all this fancy Tools, an Equipment ( I.E.) Tanks, Armor cars, an bullet proof shield, they could not get in there to get the Victim, due to Man with a gun still on the loose, BS, I under stand all about safety, but Chicago is almost like NYC a bunch of Progressive Liberal running the mad house thinking they Know it all, they could have retrieve the victims, just like the clowns in NYC saying they can take down a plane ?, to all Police Dept you are the Police Force to (Served an Protect) your not Repeat NOT the Military an your not a Progressive Liberal an or Rhinos Community organising ,with a hand full of Theories that never work Career Professional Politicians that need to go in 2012. Good day      

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#19 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:19 AM EST

                                      dead people dont pay no money in it think about that

                                      and that you can take to their bank lol

                                        Reply#20 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:34 AM EST

                                        Remember folks, this is Chicago that is very union controlled. My bet is that a hospital cannot accept a patient unless a union ambulance service brings them to the door. Other wise how do you make sure everyone gets paid to save a life. Oh wait, she died waiting. Well I'm sure in the union contract they have a clause for that.

                                          Reply#21 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:38 AM EST

                                          Elect a GOPTard and watch gasoline go to ten dollars a gallon. They will finish the job Bush started.

                                            #21.1 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:48 AM EST

                                            Hey ITC72, funny you mention gas prices. I just paid over $4 a gallon for regular. SO it looks like you are getting your wish for higher gas prices.

                                            Also, it's funny the press does not mention gas prices anymore like they use to even thought they keep going up, just like the prices for everything else. Why do you think this is?

                                            Oh! I get it, you and the other turds are waiting to blame the GOP BUT not Obama.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #21.2 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:12 AM EST

                                            When Bush took office oil was 33 bucks a barrel. During Bush's presidency oil topped $100 bucks a barrel.

                                            I'll type real slow for your.. It tripled in price on Bush's watch.

                                            True it did go down in 2008 when the bottom fell out, but it did not take long for it to return to the benchmark all time record high set by Bush.

                                            When you wonder where your pocket money went thank the GOP.

                                            When it comes to turds, your grasp of oil prices sinks to the bottom of the bowl.

                                              #21.3 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:35 PM EST

                                              Gas and diesel prices have been consitently higher in the last 3 years then they ever were when Bush was in charge.

                                                #21.4 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:09 PM EST
                                                Reply

                                                The suspect was black? How shocking! There's a reason it's called Black Friday.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#22 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:02 AM EST

                                                If the gang bangers don't kill you on the streets of Chicago, they'll kill you at the hospital.

                                                The product of 'it takes a village to raise a child' thinking. No responsibility for the parents.

                                                  Reply#23 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:12 PM EST

                                                  When will people learn that guns don't kill people, people kill people. If guns are outlawed the criminals will still have them and only the law abiding citizens will not. The bad guys are armed and we need more of the good guys to be armed. I am proud to be a Concealed Weapon Permit holder and I proudly carry a handgun to protect me and my family.

                                                    Reply#24 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:37 PM EST

                                                    You know, it seems we're not getting the whole story here. The police should have gotten this woman to safety, 1st Then there's the Constitutional Right to Carry issue..which needs to be instituted by all states to help eliminate these types of crime.

                                                    Look folks, we have all seen the discussions; there will always be dirt bags out there, just as there will always be dangerous drivers in cars.  Do you eliminate all cars...NO ! ...The same with firearms, which is more than driving, because defense of life is a God-given, natural right !!!

                                                    What is lacking in this country, is accurate and truthful information for starters, an education program that actually has relevance to real life and the situations we encounter... and a return to self-reliance, whereby, each of us can man-up and take care of his own stuff, without calling for 'mama", a lawyer, or the cops for stupid stuff. Get a gun, learn how to use it, and be a SHEEPDOG !!!

                                                      Reply#25 - Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:20 PM EST
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