"Police will not physically remove remaining protesters past 12:01 a.m. Monday, but will have the ability to enforce the park’s 10 p.m. curfew, Beck said."

So if the protesters say to the police "Up yours", nothing will be done.

How can you say "You have to get out by 12:01 AM", and then in the next breath "If you don't get out, nothing will happen to you".

These are our elected leaders? What a joke.

“Historically, the most terrible things – war, genocide, and slavery – have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience.” - Howard Zinn

Thanks DarkSock, at least one intelligent post.

"Today is merely the realization that the encampment is no longer sustainable and must end," Beck said at the conference.

If it is no longer sustainable then why do you have to go in and end it? Wouldn't it just go away on its own if it can not be sustained? What you really mean to say is it's an eye sore and a big reminder of how you are stealing from them to line your pockets. Rich don't like to be reminded that they are scum.

How is she a slut if the only place she can get laid is at OWS? If you are going to insult someone, at least have it make sense. I don't see how she is a slut for believing the rich are scumbags. They are better than her and I? They can afford to buy huge houses with huge garages, fill it full of expensive things while most of the rest of the world starves. Clearly they represent an ideal I want to emulate. @!$%# everyone else! I'm here for me and me only! The poor are stupid and ignorant and they don't deserve what I have! They are too dumb to rise to my position so why should I share with them?

brenda1964 "What you really mean to say is it's an eye sore and a big reminder of how you are stealing from them to line your pockets."

What are we stealing from them - a dirty sleeping bag and a bucket of garbage? We'd have to pay somebody to throw it away.

The reason we don't know what they want is because THEY don't know what they want - except to have their '15 minutes of fame'.

Maybe Brenda can tell us what they want, since they can't seem to figure it out.

Satanick - get a sense of humor. "Jane, you ignorant slut" is a classic line from the first SNL evening news lineup, Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtin.

You know? SNL ? Where you get all your news along with the daily show.

What's that? You weren't even born when SNL started?

That explains your support for OWS.

Young, self entitled, naive.........punk.

Roy Wilson - You are correct on what I really ment to say, thanks for clarifying that. However, no you are incorrect on what they are stealing from everyone else. The rich are getting richer and the middle class and poor are getting poorer. Soon there will be no more middle class, that is what they are stealing from us. It is like going back in time where you had the Rich and the poor and if they didnt like you for whatever reason, they discarded you and got someone that did what they wanted them to no matter if it was safe or not. Hense the reason for the Unions that they are trying to get rid of because they are standing in the way of getting rid of the middle class. Oh and drdarby17 I reported you for breaking the rules of conduct on this site, sorry if you get banned for a day or two.

I don't know; not all the rich are scum. Some of them are even out there telling us to tax them more. Like any group, there are good ones and bad ones. I think the real point is that the bad ones don't like being reminded that they are scum, and since mayors in many places are leaving the occupiers alone (hence the ignorance on the right of OccupyDC, and many other encampments), I would go so far as to say that said scum have an undue influence on certain mayors. Those mayors in cities that have evicted occupiers should be closely scrutinized for their various ties, so that people in those cities know just who and what they voted for, so they can rectify their mistakes on election day.

Ah so I didn't catch a reference to a show I hardly watch and I don't have a sense of humor?
So because I believe that a 1% of the population shouldn't be in control of the wealth and power in this country I am a naive, self entitled punk? OK.
Just another person who stereotypes and profiles. Clearly you are a mature adult

Yes I am. And 1% doesn't control the wealth and power. Just like this movement isn't represented by 99% of us. When you can learn to stop parroting slogans and talking points, you might actually start to see what a ridiculous movement this is.

So it is not true that 1% of the population has 40% of the wealth? It isn't true that the rich have seen their incomes rise drastically compared with the average American in the last 30 years? It isn't true that the rich hold much more influence over politicians than the average voter? What country do you live in again?

Drummer50 Is your post another drummer joke ? Regarding your comment, I would suggest that you might do some further research before you say the the 1% doesn't control wealth and power. There are hundreds if not 1000's of articles, books, youtube videos available online that prove it beyond all doubt. My god man, I have read and still have books that were saying these things going back as far as 40-50 years ! Have you been living under a rock or what ? If you still want to argue those factual testaments that the wealthy do control the economy then you are willingly admitting to be part of the problem, in denial of reality, and living in your own self imposed blackhole where nothing gets in or out. I dare you to watch the documentary "The Corporation" where you can witness members of the 1 % admitting to the wealthy corporate interests do in fact run things ! If, after watching it, you can still argue that they don't, then you have some extremely serious comprehension problems, are part of the 1%., and unreachable.

I would like to ask Drummer50, if the wealthiest do not control power, then who does? It isn't the poorest or the middle class, so who does then? Someone has to be in control and it sure isn't me.

All the OWS protesters have some really good company. Just look at a few like minded quotes from other people in history about Capitalism.

Adolf Hitler "We are not fighting Jewish or Christian Capitalism, we are fighting every Capitalism: we are making the people completely free."

Osama Bin Ladin "I think if we don't overthrow Capitalism, we don't have a chance of saving the world."

These are just 2 of many.......Hows it feel to be aligned with such people?

palmettohawk - Silly rabbit, trix are for kids. Us grown up though know that the OWS is not out to get rid of capitalism, but to curb it. Anything that runs amuck without regulations will inadvertently become corrupt. Capitalism is no exception. What the OWS wants is regulations to stop the Rich from getting rid of the middle class. For this reason the Unions where born. History my dear palmettohawk, you should read it now and then. Nobody is saying get rid of capitalism, they are saying lets put some reasonable controls on it so what is happening doesn't happen again.

Also I find it interesting that you named 2 people in history that where extremists. What about Abraham Lincoln who stopped capitalists in the south from using slave labor to keep costs down? Why don't you mention people like that?

Bye. bye FLEABAGGERS!

Jesus would be a protester. He hated bankers. If I recall correctly, didn't Jesus "Attack" some bankers in the temple? Bet you won't ever hear that on FoxNews.

It is funny how the Republicans label themselves Christians, even look down on the Mormons, but think God is all about money. Seems like a contradictory of terms. How can you be a Christian and a Republican at the same time? Republicans are all about Capitalism and screwing over the next person to make themselves rich. Don't remember reading that chapter in the bible! Do remember tithing 10% to the church and if a man ask for you shirt, give him your jacket as well. Can you imagine a Republican doing that? Whats that word they use to describe someone that says they are a Christian, but then does the opposite of what a Christian should do? Hmm...... oh yea, hypocrite.

Whatever sympathy I had for the OWS crowd is now gone. They say they are targeting the evil 1%, but the only people they are hurting are the other 99%. They take away customers from the small business owners by their tent cities( vandalize the windows, bathrooms and surrounding areas), and they cost the hard working taxpayers millions of dollars for police protection and clean up.

If they really wanted to enact change, they should be on the steps of the white house. This has nothing to do with democrat or republican either. A dem happens to be in the white house at the moment, but all politicians have fleeced the system to line their own pockets. They are the ones the OWS crowd should be targeting. They are the only ones that can change the tax codes so that everyone pays their fair share of taxes. They are the ones that can make sure large corporations, or individuals, cannot "buy" a candidate.

trust....Jesus attacked the "moneychangers" because they were conducting their business in THE TEMPLE, a holy place. Not because they were "bankers".

And Brenda, let me remind you, or INFORM you, in case you don't know, that Republicans are far more charitable in donating money and time to the poor and to create schools and any number of public hospitals, research facilities and cultural venues than Democrats. And the 10% tithing means giving 5% to the Church and 5% to charities and the poor.

Also, a reminder, that there are millions of Christian Democrats.

@Branda1969

I have always felt the same way regarding the Repubs. on the whole. while I have on few occasions voted locally for a Repub., the disconnect they portray regarding Christian values and what they practise has always left me dumbfounded. This is not to say that the entire Party is awful. They are hostile to the poor, and yet favor the rich. They are unable or unwilling to identify with the marginalized of society and as Christians be a positive force for them. Maybe it has to do with Repubs. viewing Jesus/God as a King, and Dems. viewing Jesus/God as the poor, marginalized person/entity he was. They, Repubs., like to also quote the Bible verse " the poor will always be with you" and use it as a why bother helping, where Dems. use it to mean we may not eliminate poverty, but we can diminish its effect. Certain Christian denominations do not see the compassion and mercy Jesus extolled, but rather a more punitive vision of what being Christian is about. I don't know how or why they could stray so far from the message, but I hope they can turn things around for the betterment of all, including themselves.

And the bigger point Brenda is that Republicans/conservatives believe that it isn't the government's job to be a charitable institution (ie entitlement programs).. it is however our moral imperative as individuals to work within our communities through our churches etc to give others a hand up/not a hand out. And Aggie is correct in the assertion that Republicans far out donate when compared to Democrats.

A weak-kneed, ineffective, liberal mayor told the "occupiers" they have to go.

That in itself speaks volumns concerning how the OWS is viewed. The "99%" are not even 1%.

"Today is merely the realization that the encampment is no longer sustainable and must end," Beck said at the conference.

And in related news, in Washington today, 99% of Americans came to the mere realization that the political / corporate / Wall street (uncontrolled capitalist greed) investment bankers relationship is no longer sustainable and must end.

Aggie, you can't make your own rules on tithing. Tithing is 10% and anything extra is on top of that. Nothing like trying to short-change God.

Certainly NOT my rules Sheila. Maybe that's just my church's suggestion, but that's what I've been told. Ho do you consider giving %5 to the church "short-changing God"? Aren't we ALL God's children and don't you remember, "What you do for the least of my children, that you do unto Me?"

Does God measure worthiness based on monetary value? Last I heard Jesus would give the coins made by Cesar to Cesar and to God what is His.

Peter: And how does that apply to tithing and/or to charitable giving? Who else would support ones church if not for the members? And are we not instructed to be our brothers' keepers? God measures ones' worthiness not on the dollar amount given, but the act of sacrificing or giving to others. Remember the rich man and poor man and who God preferred. The one who gave more but earned less. Had nothing to do with bottom line cash value. And the practice of tithing is in the Bible.

I would prefer that these protesters not claim to represent the "99". While I'm not part of the 1%, I am not a part of their movement either.

I suspect this group that claims to represent the '99%' actually only represents about 20%, which would mean that about 80% do NOT want them claiming that they represent them.

Perhaps they should change their slogan to "We represent the 20%".

Peter Jacobs "Does God measure worthiness based on monetary value? Last I heard Jesus would give the coins made by Cesar to Cesar and to God what is His."

Good point. At Matthew 8: 20, Jesus said he didn't even have a place to lay down his head. He had no material possessions at all, so happiness does not come from what a man possesses.

Aggie-345886 " And the practice of tithing is in the Bible."

Only for the Jews - their 10% tithe was to support the Levite Tribe (Priestly class). It was not a commandment for the early Christians, and they did not practice tithing. It was only when a 'clergy' class was formed hundreds of years after Christ (there was no 'clergy class' among early Christians - everyone was supposed to be an evangelier), that the clergy class started demanding tithes.

Aggie, I agree with you on being my brother's keeper. No outsourcing needed however.

Yea lets just let wall street and the banks walk all over us they "earned" all their hardly worked for money, if they put as much time into policing the corporation not to mention our streets there would be fewer problems but just admit your jealous of their dedication and down inside your afraid they're right up OWS

Hey, Mike. How about just not signing for a loan you can't pay back?

No loans, means banks go out of business.

hey Obamanation....you guese to much to have any credit or ability to understand. I don't think you have much going on other than a little media exposure and a dead end exsistance. You will certainly find a grave like everyone else, but in the mean time you will have to justify your own misery.

Mr Obamanation I don't have a problem with that I'm one of the lucky one I've owned and sold two homes currently retired and living off my pensions but not everyone is as lucky today is not the same as when I was working I look at the melt down and don't stick my head in the sand hoping it all goes away by itself,these people are looking out for more than just themselves even if most people don't see it yet.

Yep, Dani......I have no grasp of reality.........but I do know how to spell "guess", "existence" and "meantime".

And sorry, Mike, but I am not responsible for other people not being smart enough to sign loans that they can't pay back. Maybe we should just send them your way. You'll be happy to help them out.

Dani Seakey - Why even post if you can't make sense? It's called English, might want to learn it before you speak and sound silly. As far as Obamanation, If the banks would not let them sign loans they could not pay back, that would help out. Whats wrong with the banks taking some responsibility and not giving out credit cards to people who have no idea how to use them or income to pay for them? I would be all for banks requiring a class on credit cards be taken before you can get one.

The didn't mandate they take the student loans, but what other choice do allot of them have? They don't have rich parents to pay for everything. Grants go so far, then you have to either do loans or stop school, work for a year to pay for one quarter of schooling. Yea, they could do that, but then it would take 20 years to get an associates degree. So no, they don't beat up college students, but they also give them no choice.

Gee....how about do what I did and GET A JOB AND PAY YOUR OWN WAY????

It's a stretch, I know..........but it can be done. And no, it didn't take 20 years. It took me five instead of four.

Man.........that was tough. All that hard work.

It's better just to whine about it and have someone give it to me for free, or sign a loan and refuse to pay it back.

Gimme a break. Get off your butt, get a job, pay your own way, make something of yourself and quit whining about hard work. It's called LIFE.......get over it.

Have you been out to get a loan for a home these people can talk you in circles yes it is your responsibility to know what your sighing but many times they make it sound so good you end up with something you should never have signed up for,many people lack the knowledge to interpret the legalese.

umm actually you can thank the lobbyists that bribed frank and dodd for pushing the legislation through. you know the same lobbyists that are payed for by wallstreet. please just do some research.

true mark you need a lawyer for any home loan that you get nowadays, and i mean one that works for you and not the bank or the real estate agent. used to be that was part of the cost of closing that both parties got a seperate lawyer for that. but thank you bank lobbyists for the law changes.

Obamanation - Not sure what college you went to, but most colleges are very expensive for a full time college student per quarter. Books, tuition, and room/board costs. Not sure how much you made, but most are making minimum wages and going to college. Not many college students make 24 dollars an hour and can afford both school and home costs. So unless your living with mommy and daddy, im sorry you are wrong on only taking 1 extra year. Per year most colleges start at 9k and end up at around 36k depending on the courses.

another thing that really gets me mike the vet is how va home loans are still over 8% in interest, while regular home loans are less then half that now.

Brenda, If you're 17/18 and going to college, what's wrong with living with "mommy and daddy"? You are right though; the average in-state tuition and fees at a public 4-year school in 2011 is $8,250. Add in perhaps another $1,000 for books. If you're living at home and have a part time job at $10/hour you'll make about $10,000 per year. Allow 1/2 of that to pay for school and you come out after 4 years with $17,000 in debt. Of course this plan doesn't work if you goal is not to get an education but rather to have the "college experience" (also know as partying for 4 years) on mommy and daddy's and the governments dime at a private university and then cry about having to pay back your loans.

lol, no response from the "Obamination"

If you do not wish to read history then watch it. Probably much easier for some. Two movies, The Insurance Company and Matewan come to mind.

joemike404, couldn't agree with you more. Didn't think about the average age of someone in college these days, your right that some may already have a good paying job and are furthering their career. I was thinking of the fresh out on their own trying to pay for everything. If they where like my parents, it was the faster we can get the children out the door the better. My first experience was renting a room in a basement and shared a bathroom and kitchen. Rest of the house was off limits. That was all I could afford while taking part time classes and working.

It's funny how those who support the OWS crowd sound just like them. Make excuses for their stupid and irresponsible behavior and blame a boogeyman.

umm actually you can thank the lobbyists that bribed frank and dodd for pushing the legislation through

The didn't mandate they take the student loans, but what other choice do allot of them have?

No one owes them anything. More govt interference is not the answer.

lol, no response from the "Obamination"

brenda: You are aware some people may actually have a life and not monitor these boards 24/7? And that it's only 7am on the west coast?

And mike the vet: First, try some punctuation. It's a wonderful thing. But in response to your post, my opinion of OWS sinks daily; I can't imagine any group I'm less "jealous" of.

Ag99 thanks for the tip however the feelings I put out are my own punctuation is not the priority if this is the worst thing you say about my post thank you after all I only finished high school I never had to be grammatically correct to serve in the Army or to have a good job for 40 years and bad punctuation doesn't stop me being right support OWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hows that work'n for ya.

mike: Don't get me wrong; I think OWS had some valid points to make, but the movement has degenerated into simple squatting and isn't achieving anything now. They will fade into the winter or give up after being arrested a few times and no one will remember them. To make real change, they need to take a leaf from the Tea Party book. Develop achievable objectives and elect people to pursue them, otherwise it's just so much noise (and urine and muddy grass).

As for punctuation, it's what makes your post readable. If people can't understand you, or have to work hard to decipher your post, then you lose credibility. Your choice.

You know one thing I like about your post is you make valid points,something that is sadly lacking in so many, we can agree to disagree without devolving into vulgar diatribes thanks for your input. Happy Holiday AG99

Agreed. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving! (I'm still not hungry.)

I think they are accomplishing allot. If they where not then why is all this media attention being spent on them? Why are they trying to force them out? Why is the talk now starting to focus on the disparity from rich to poor? Why is education that has been screwed over for years now become a topic of discussion? I will tell you why, because of a few that stood up to wall street and said "NO MORE" and keep saying it every day by their actions. It's constantly in your face every day when you read the news or watch it on TV.

Of course they're stupid...that's why he changed his name from Tony Villar to Antonio Villaraigosa in the first place, because he knew all the latinos there would vote for him just simply because he looked like them and had a name that sounded like theirs.....yeah, but THAT'S not racist though....it's racism only if whitey does it *rolls eyes*

reason

Sheila Jackson Lee left the Jackson in her name so her not so bright constituents wouldnt think she is Chinese.

jc..not all of calif.are liberals. you should quit listening or reading eastern m.edia crap. btw what state do live in.?

A cause implies a course of action. There is no such course here, therefore there is no cause. All they're doing is sitting around and complaining that not everyone is as miserable or unemployable as they are. Given this 'message', simply making a mess on public property is not a constitutionally protected right.

This scum shames the very concept the concept of free expression.

It is both sad and pitiful the level of ignorance displayed by those that cannot grasp the point and message these patriots are expressing. The only ones "sitting around and complaining" seems to be the clueless buffoons posting slurs and insults.

Just because you don't understand what is going on, it doesn't make them wrong.

And Maurice, You top them all!!!

the freedom of speech and right to assemble only extend until they impede on someone elses rights

It is sad and pitiful Maurice, that after two months, this movement still cannot come to consensus around a coherent message or a common vision. "Patriots" want something. The founders wanted freedom from England. The civil rights marchers in the 1960's wanted equal rights for women and people of color. The anti-war protesters of the same era wanted the US out of Vietnam and an end to the military draft. We cannot grasp their point if they don't have one.

Goldenlube, they have the right to free speech and to assemble. Rights however, do not exist without limits and without responsibilities. No government entity, anywhere, has stopped any component of the OWS movement from SAYING anything. No one has been arrested for opposing wall street or governmental policies. In their "assembling" however, the OWS movment has interferred with the rights of other citizens to conduct their lives in peace. They have also ignored or intentionally disobeyed reasonable restricitions imposed by the police/government designed to protect public/private property and the rights of those other citizens. That is why these camps are being dismantled. In every incidence where these camps have been cleaned up, the government has provided alternate forums in which the members of the movement can continue to responsibly exercise their Constitutional rights to speech and assembly.

The only ones "sitting around and complaining" seems to be the clueless buffoons posting slurs and insults.

"clueless buffoons", that sounds like both a slur and an insult to me, maurice.

But I guess that it is only wrong when somebody else does it.

Why don't you clue us in as to just what the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement is trying to accomplish ...other than constituting a public nuisance?

This "clueless buffoon" will be awaiting your reply.

Goldenlube, they have the right to free speech and to assemble. Rights however, do not exist without limits and without responsibilities.

I absolutely agree with you, Joemike. Just as my freedom to swing my arm is constrained by the proximity of your nose, so too is the freedom of assembly on public property, constrained by rights of others to access and use that same public property.

These OWS protesters have, in effect, preempted the use of parks and other public property to stage an apparently permanent protest. In so doing, I would say they are now preempting the rights of others.

Yes there is a course of action. It's to persist in their presence so that the complex problem we're facing stays within the collective awareness. The attention span of society is too short for conventional means of activism. People have been coddled into docility. Their movement has the potential of being just ONE component of a revolution if pretentious, selfish folks quit deriding them with forked tongue out the corner of their mouths.

Yes there is a course of action. It's to persist in their presence so that the complex problem we're facing stays within the collective awareness.

With unemployment hovering at or above 9% for the last 3 years, our Federal Government saddled with an unwieldy debt, and Congress paralyzed between conflicting ideologies, I believe that most Americans are aware that the nation faces many complex issues.

The OWS protesters add nothing to the dialogue. They seize control of public and private property, hold up placards which say, "Listen to us!", and then, say NOTHING.

Very well said, yet the ignorant will not head the warning.

Kater Murr I appreciate your detailed post it's so easy to find out the reasons but I'm afraid your post is to long these people slamming OWS are not readers just like the people they what to elect to lead our country.

I read every word. Utter BS, but I read every word.

I read every word. Utter BS, but I read every word.

Whats BS congress insider trading, or that it's legal for them to insider trade?

That wasn't the BS part. I totally agree that insider trading should be locked up immediately.

That wasn't the BS part. I totally agree that insider trading should be locked up immediately

So whats the BS part? What choices do you have when the law makers and the people making the money are in bed together? Ask them pretty please quit being crooks? Or should we keep our mouth shut and let them keep on getting away with it?

Because the whole premise of the beginning of this article is making the assumption that OWS started as a grass roots program.

It didn't.

It was planned and calculated with time and big money from SEIU.

Get out of the parks & go to Washington DC and protest. Govt is the problem.

As soon as all the OWS protesters and supporters get rid of their electronics and credit cards which all come from the evil corporations and banks, they can then protest until the cows come home.

As it is they buy the latest and greatest gadgets and bemoan the fact that corporations are bad. You can't have it both ways.

It was planned and calculated with time and big money from SEIU.

I have been complaining about it for years, along with every one I know. I'm not getting paid but I believe you are.

I been reading your post. Either you don't know whats going on. Or your working for the the crooks.

Get out of the parks & go to Washington DC and protest. Govt is the problem.

Government and corporations in bed together is the proplem. But a nice try at miss direction. I guess obamanation called for back up.

As it is they buy the latest and greatest gadgets and bemoan the fact that corporations are bad. You can't have it both ways.

What a joke.

Your piece was awesome Kater Murr. It proves also that America, as stated by Chris Hedges in his recent book "The World As It Is" Dispatches on the Myth of Human Progress, is financially and morally bankrupt and these forces that are attempting to strike down free speech and our rights under the Constitution are preparing their own gallows. The Revolution is at hand and they know that their days are numbered and as Chris Hedges states in his book, they will pull out the stops to suppress any movement that threatens the status quo, meaning their wallets. So let the stormtroopers keep bashing heads, use their bloated Homeland Security budgets to try and quell the masses because each instance of violence against peaceful protesters will only strengthen the resolve of those who are no longer interested in the status quo.

Give me a break, AMD.

If I agree with you, I'm a patriotic citizen.

If I disagree with you, I'm a paid hack.

You libbies crack me up.

If I disagree with you, I'm a paid hack.

So lets just cut to the chase. How do you suppose we stop congress and corporations from fattening there pockets at the expense of the tax payer?

Or do you not have a problem with that?

Get rid of soft money, start jailing politicians for insider trading, cut every department across the board, and pass the Balanced Budget Amendment because you can't slip people money if you're barely making budget.

What's your suggestions?

Get rid of soft money, start jailing politicians for insider trading,

Sounds good. They have only had 30 years to get that done. Do you think voting them all out will work? I think that's been done before. So how do you get that done? Your only asking the crooked law makers to police them self.

I don't see any other way but to protest.

Protesting is a waste of time. State your demands clearly and concisely. State your objectives.

And then vote. That is the most powerful voice you have.

But considering they are both just two sides of the same coin, a third party that is moderate (ie Libertarian), not hardcore right (ie Tea Party) or hardcore left (ie OWS) needs to be created. Only until the parties realize that their power can be taken away by two opposing sides will they actually get the clue that they have to work together to find a happy medium.

Also like how you totally ignored the Balanced Budget Amendment. Don't worry. Most libbies don't like to have an actual balanced budget. Keeps them from spending what they don't have.....you know.....to buy off bankers and stuff.

And then vote. That is the most powerful voice you have

LOL yeah vote in more career politicians.

Also like how you totally ignored the Balanced Budget Amendment. Don't worry. Most libbies don't like to have an actual balanced budget. Keeps them from spending what they don't have.....you know.....to buy off bankers and stuff.

You have really fallen for the WWF of politics. Balanced is great with me I love it.

And I noticed how you totally ignored. They have been doing this crap since the 80's. And you think there all of a sudden are going to stop there corruption. Great plan.

they wont allow it to happen obamanation. and what he said was true about DHS getting involved. buddy i served with in iraq is in DHS got sent to california about that. he just quit could not condone what was being done.

Also like how you totally ignored the Balanced Budget Amendment. Don't worry. Most libbies don't like to have an actual balanced budget. Keeps them from spending what they don't have.....you know.....to buy off bankers and stuff.

This has to be the most deceitful comment on newsvine yet. It was George Bush who refused to include the Iraq and Afghanistan wars in his budget. He used appropriation requests to Congress and kept the funds out of his budget. The deficit for Bush's last fiscal year in office was 1.4 trillion dollars at 10% of the GDP, the largest deficit ever relative to the economy since WWII.

When Obama took office, he banned accounting gimmicks that Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller. He moved the costs of the wars to the budget, he didn't include revenue from the AMT that would never be collected, he brought actual costs of medicare reimbursements to physicians onto the budget with inflation calculated in, as well as funding a 280 billion dollar fund to cover the cost for disaster response, that wasn't in previous budgets. He did these things to make the government more transparent, as he promised while campaigning. In doing so, the actual cost of running the government was revealed, and the right jumped on the budget as if it were new additional deficit spending, when in fact it was simply more truthful accounting.

Add to that the unpaid for medicare drug benefit pushed by Bush, and the the bush tax cuts, and you have a 2.5 trillion deficit inherited by Obama and his budget. Obama also inherited the cost of the TARP fund and the auto bailout approved under Bush, to be distributed by his successor in office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html

So while you blame democrats and liberals for unchecked spending and deficits, perhaps you should look past accounting gimmicks and talking points and realize that the Republicans are responsible for a majority of deficit spending. Ironic how they now squeak the loudest on spending....

AMEN!

Politicians know you can chant, protest, or slogan them out of office, the only way to make them at least halfway honest is to vote them out, the first set voted out will call it a fluke, the second set will get the message.

Hang in there to do what? What's the objective?

what about the next 1 % after this 1 % are ran out of the country, or the 1% after that...there will always be 1%

So, once you run the "thieves" out and they take all their money with them who will pay for the entitlements?

Protesting is not a job... trying using an application..

Most excellent post Steve. But since these OWS ppl don't use technology (they only live in tents, hoping for hand-outs) your message will not likely get to them, just as that message did not get to them by their parents. These ppl have not real ambition for the future. They think the future is all about protests. Guess what, it is not.

If you don't like something, do something positive. Negative responses will undoubtedly only fuel the same. That is why this OWS has been off-track from the beginning. OWS offers no hope, no solutions, only whining.

If you make more than $30,000 a year in this country, you are one of the 1%....if you put it in context with the rest of the world.

It may be hard for some of you to swallow, but when you look at it that way, and that is the way it is, what in the hell are you all whining about?. If you want to make money, EARN it. At least you have the CHANCE to do that in this country. Think about it while you are talking on your $400+ dollar I-phone.

@Joe-1312625 - Face it, no one is with them. They have failed to even figure out what the stand for.

Tell them to go home and get a good night's sleep.

The objective of the occupy protests is to bring to light political corruption of our government brought on by the influence of wealth and special interests. Because of special interests, pizza was just recently declared a vegetable serving in school lunches, for example.

Occupy doesn't pretend to have all of the answers, however; they are demanding that something be done. Grass roots movements such as occupy were responsible for the origination of the Republican party. Many in the movement are employed, have homes and take regular steps to ensure hygiene. Those that say take a bath or get a job are being ignorant, most by choice.

So again, if you are confused to what Occupy Wall Street is about, it is a call to action to end political corruption due to wealth influence. It is a call to hold those in the financial industry responsible for the housing bubble crisis and meltdown. It is a call to prevent future Corzines and Maddoffs. It is a call to end practices that have dramatically shifted the wealth to the top 1% of Americans in the last 30 years.

The actual solutions are up to you and I. They should be discussed and honestly debated. If income disparity continues at it's current rate, more than 50% of America will be at or below the poverty level in another 30 years. It is time to wake up. Your job isn't safe, neither are your savings or retirement funds.

As for those stating that protesters are costing cities money, why do they send out thousands of cops to monitor a peaceful demonstration? The only violence to occur was when the police initiated it. Should no one protest injustice or speak up when trampled, in the name of saving money? That doesn't sound democratic at all.

"If you make more than $30,000 a year in this country, you are one of the 1%....if you put it in context with the rest of the world."

So, when is the rest of the world going to move into the parks and start protesting for equality? Oh never mind, most of them are already in tents and huts and hovels. But, but, why aren't they protesting? Ah, I see. They're busy surviving and trying to make a better life. Some of them are even coming here to do it. Gosh, do you suppose they could teach the OWS folks something? Probably not since they're too busy working.

Steve W, protesting should not be a job but there are a few of these people who work for certain non profit organizations that do nothing but teach civil disobedience, recruit youth from school's especially in the more poor communitie's and organize protest and have been doing so for year's. They actually get paid quite well. No I am not speculating on this. If you want to see the proof I have message me since I am not ready to post it here.

Because "We the People" still have to follow laws.

Because the "We the People" who are tired of hearing about them outnumber the "We the People" who are actually protesting. They need to leave. Chalk it up as a failure and move on.

Because "We the People" still have to follow laws.

ANY law that infringes on the right of peaceful assembly is unconstitutional...

Not when it infringes on the rights of others.

Not when it infringes on the rights of others.

That is a convenient argument to make. Care to provide examples of how they have infringed on your rights?

If that park closes at 10:00, youre right to assemble there goes away at 10:00. Its just one of those pesky Supreme Court decisions.

I hope they can get an objective.

Because it took SEIU a while to get it set up such that it looked like a grass roots protest.

yeah, those darn people fortunate enough to go to work each day for the 1% that forge businesses to employ them and pay health benefits and such, man, I really hate working....maybe I should sit around and wait for someone to give me something for free.......NAH!

Other than a few student interviews on TV, I have not heard occupy ask for anything for free in lieu of honest work. If you simply listen, you'll hear the reasons behind the protests...

Sure it is. No permit, no protest. Permits are to actually PAY for the use of police, sanitation, etc.

No tickey, no laundry.

Occupying is a powerful tool and can cause some people to take notice and evaluate concerns. I think it is time to OWS....Organize Wall Street and get some things worked out in a reformed and legal measure that will return our banking system to a check and balance format. The hedge idea is one that should be left with gamblers and gangsters with crap tables in Vegas.

And breaking the law is still breaking the law.

And you want check and balance???? How about supporting our Congress to pass the Balanced Budget Amendment?

I have not seen a public area in a metropolitan area that didn't come with a toilet or laudromat and the cops are already paid for...really

Yeah, and how many EXTRA police are being hired because of your against-the-law, no-permit protest?

How many people have been murdered, raped, statuatory raped? How many arsons, assaults, batterys, trespassing, breaking and entering, public nudity, public masturbations, public sex, public defecating, drug use, drug dealing?

Yeah.............real sticklers for public safety, ain't we?

Dani

Maybe the OWS should go to Hawaii and fish.

The cops are not already paid for. They are working overtime.

Obamanation, since when has the constitution required a permit for peaceful assembly? Your argument is constitutionally flawed...

Please show us reports of public sex, arson, defecation, and masturbation that you claim are associated with Occupy. In fact, back up any claim that you have made in response to this article. You are simply here to defame those that are exercising their right to protest what they see as political corruption, by spreading deceit and rumors. There is no truth to anything you say.

Ray in Jax

This will explain the restrictions on Freedom of Assembly.

Freedom of Assembly Clause restrictions

The right to assemble is not an absolute right. There are some restrictions on this right as there are with other rights. The right to assemble is not as strongly protected by the government as other rights, such as the freedom of speech. This is because groups that assemble often do so, not with just speech, but with some type of conduct, such as picketing, protesting, marching or gathering in a park, which may disrupt the peace.

The courts have ruled that, while it is the responsibility of the government to protect the people's right to assemble, it is also the government's responsibility to keep the peace. Because of this, the courts have allowed governments to make reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of these assemblies. The government may place restrictions on the right to assemble that will maintain law and order, facilitate traffic, protect private property and reduce noise congestion.

Read more:

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/freedom-of-assembly-clause.html#ixzz1cHs37Gka

Gee.........wouldn't be all the government giveaways, would it???

No moron, it's running an entire system based on infinite growth with finite resources. What, do you think oil is just gonna be available forever? How simple your life must be.

Who's terrified? They're laughing.

And yes..........NO OBJECTIVE.

You just stated a list of things you are protesting but NO OBJECTIVE...........still.

Support your claim of representing %99. You do not represent me.

Does everyone else notice that when you ask them to state their objective, they either :

a - ignore you

b - call you a name

c - give a long list of what they are protesting, but still refuse to state the objective

d - give you a link to a website that lists what they are protesting, but no objective.

Could this be because they have no objective or because they don't want you to know what it is?

I'm voting they don't have one.

wow obama you are dense those demands are actually objectives. they want laws to be passed along the lines of those demands hence an objective. maybe you should hit the dictionary again if you can truely comprehend. i am also a proud US veteran.

@Sean-332093 - Well Sean this is my honest opinion of what you posted.

1. ) I agree with that corporate person hood is far overreaching and should be stripped down if not abolished.

2.) Wall street execs are not entirely responsible for the mess. There were countless mom and pop house flipping businesses that existed during the time. They looked for every way to skirt the law in order to make money . Three of the guys I knew who were ran small mortgage companies are or have spent a decent amount of time in prison. The other guy was told by the Feds to shut down or face prosecution.

3. ) Might help, but the problems are a lot deeper. The derivatives market is and always be a ticking time bomb.

4. ) OWS'ers were never denied there right to free speech. They could never come to an agreement on what they wanted to say.

Obamanation, you are simply displaying a high level of ignorance now. The listed complaints are objectives.

Let me make it easy for you to understand.....

If a group was to protest against war, the objective would be to end or prevent war.

If a group was to protest constant smog and pollution in their city, their implied objective would be clean air...

Commisar, that would make sense, except the Zucotti park in NYC is open 24 hours a day.

Most of the park closings and curfews were instituted in RESPONSE to the occupy movement, essentially attempting to silence and break up protests.

sure rivkah im unhappy with my life choice of serving my country, and seeing greed and corruption getting rewarded by bailouts, no true investigations and prosecutions, insider trading allowed to congressmen, where a corporation is allowed more rights then a citizen. where on average 17 vets a day are committing suicide because the funding is not their for them to get the help they need. where truely horrificly disabled veterans are not getting the financial help they need to live and survive due to corruption and lack of funds reaching them. i am sorry that i served my country for idiots such as you!

Rivkah said:

WHEN are people going to take responsibility for their own actions

That is a GREAT question!!!!

When are we going to hold accountable the financial firms that packaged and sold off toxic assets as AAA securities? How about holding responsible the ratings agencies that gave these assets the ratings? When will the firms that sold toxic assets and then took out credit swap derivatives on the very same securities going to be held accountable?

A lot of people lost their entire savings through no action of their own. More than 20% of the nation's wealth was eliminated in a blink of an eye. As a result, millions lost jobs and were no longer able to make payments on their homes.

You sit back comfortably in your recliner and blame everyone else but those that should be held accountable.

reality check!

lol

Stephan Did you ever consider that the stores want people on their property?

Then where would you get all of your free handouts???

bigbenalaska

And where do you think those "billions" will come from? The already over taxed citenzens of this nation.

Do you still live in the same place as you did in 2008? And if you do- do you have the same neighbors. Chances are you and or your neighbors have moved since then and the census every ten years that was designed to reflect that change does so without the need for gerrymandering.

Sherman I see that you forgot Buffet, Soros and Hollywood, and the fact that the richest members of Congress are Dems.

Crazybearr You are correct, but you need to mention that redistricting is done at the state level, not congress.

A few facts about OWS:

During the tent city construction at Occupy Chicago on Michigan Ave, John Bachtell, a spokesperson from the national board of the Communist Party U.S.A., addressed the angry mob of nearly 3000. He claimed to “bring greetings and support” from the party, to the occupy movement. Bachtell received a very warm welcome and overwhelming applause form the “occupiers.”

New Black Panther Occupy Protester: “We Need to Take Back the Streets”

George Soros Organizing OWS Protesters - public relations firm closely partnered with the George Soros-funded Tides Foundation represented last week’s anti-Wall Street march past millionaires’ homes in New York, WND has learned.

Fenton Communications has been behind the public relations strategy of a who’s who of far-left causes, organizations and activists, from Soros himself to Health Care for America Now to crafting strategies for MoveOn.org and a litany of anti-war groups.

Fenton, which works closely with Tides, first made its name representing communist dictatorships in the 1980s.

Fenton’s founder is tied to President Obama and to a slew of Saul Alinsky-style community organizing groups directly involved in recent U.S. street protests, including in Wisconsin and New York.

Fenton’s fingerprints on promoting and organizing the march bring further evidence suggesting the anti-Wall Street movement is a well-planned campaign and not the spontaneous uprising its leaders claim.

Occupy Wall Street’ protests funded by a variety of wealthy socialists and planned by Van Jones---the self avowed Communist and former czar of Obama.

Time4aPurge

Nice post. No name calling, no hyperbole, just the facts. Now how many of our elite super smart liberals can read your post and understand the misdirection of their protest. It is the entitlement/welfare spending of the Democrats and their constricting regulations and pork unnecessary spending that has caused the problems. Obama and the liberal Democrats have added 5 trillion to our debt. Add the trillions owed by the states and any sane person should understand that we need to curb our spending, balance our budgets, quit borrowing 1 out of 3 dollars being spent, and encourage people to save money.

Time and Uncle, I am thankful to the OWS protest for one thing.....it caused people like you and me who wanted to find out the reason for these ridiculous protest, since they didn't seem to know themselve's, to do a little research and find out just how deceitful, wicked, and underhanded the Communist Party of America and the Democratic Socialist Party of America can be.(Did you know there are 70 member's of congress in the democratic socialist party?) I didn't really know these organization's existed until these protest. Now I know where Obama's ridiculous thinking and his lack of respect for our country and our constitution come's from (why he wanted to fundamentally transform america). I guess his motive's have become really transparent after all! Geeesshhhh! Hasn't worked out so well for most countrie's so why would they think it would here? Ohhhh, Guess they must be running out of places to go!!! THANKS OWS!

The scary thing is that if Obama gets re-elected he will have a chance to try and implement all the socialist transformations that he has had in mind for years. I dont think people realize how deep his ties are to all the socialist and communist organizations in this country.