FWalsh - Really? That's the best you can come up with? How about making her endure peper spray and not be able to wash it out for 10 minutes like the victims got? Then as a side note, she has to turn herself in at the police station on black friday for the next 10 years where she gets peper spray in the face.

Interesting how the story changed from the night it was first reported. Originally she sprayed for people cutting in line. Now it was to get an advantage.

I had heard that she is married to a police officer from UC Davis

Just as long as the off-duty cops at an other walmart get the same sentence for pepper spraying some old guy that fell into a display.

Black Friday vs Occupy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F3mPDJ1JIQ

One supports greed--one supports freedom

One is legal--one is said to be illegal

marklepew shouldn't you be out occupying something?

Mike, then don't WATCH FOX news. Your problem will be solved. That little box you hold in your hand is called a channel changer. Change the channel.

Hey mike,

You missed the point. Why am I not surprised? This story isn't anything about Fox News, it's about a woman who allegedly sprayed many people with pepper spray. And if you had watched Fox News you'd have seen the same story reported there.

Why do you assume that because I don't hew to your insane idea that Fox News said pepper spray is a condiment that I must therefore get news from no other sources? Particularly given that we are on MSNBC's site reading the news. Geesus man, wake up already.

Americans are in love in peper spray so effective..Can we export peper spray to Miđdle East, China, and other countries? It is a very gơod businesss and create jobs in return. We can supply to every cops in country.

JmB66,

Shouldn't you be at Newt Gingrich's "girls gone wild" party after listening to Fox News results from N.H.?

A Fox talking head did say that it was basically a food product my comment was merely moving it a little farther,I'm sorry if it came across badly. The one thing people should understand this pepper spray used by police is Military grade it is a chemical weapon and baned under Geneva convention rules,I doubt the women had the same product,but that doesn't forgive her stupidity in using it.

Hey mike,

I doubt you know what you are talking about, but there was a comment that pepper spray, and this will be wild to you I'm sure, is manufactured from peppers and is in a very highly concentrated form. Wow, you really got Fox this time.

At least you didn't make your ridiculous assumption about not getting news from other sources again while on MSNBC's site. Progress. Small, but noticeable.

PEPPERSMART SHOPPING

To facilitate the "shopping experience" we will have the pepper spray available at the front of the store, in a handy coin operated vending machine, for all the shoppers needing "enhanced shopping rights".

We will also be placing our vending in airports so people can deal properly with the TSA

If you do your research in to poisons you Will find a real fact many commonly used items if "concentrated" become deadly there is a direct correlation there if you understand it.Look up the chemical work needed to make military grade pepper spray I think you would be interested at least I hope so.Here to the condiment of choice for the discerning chef coming soon the the food network.

I have to agree with Mike the vet, Megyn Kelly did state that pepper spray was just a table condiment. And, no, I am not necessarily a Fox fan or detractor. I get my news from many sources. It just takes a little research to get to the truth.

Thank you Robert. Happy Holiday's

Sorry, but both you and Robert are wrong. She did say pepper spray was a derivative of pepper and was a food product, but she never said it was for table use, or even implied it was harmless. Her comment was in response to what it was, not how it was used. And her comment was entirely true, though not entirely complete--when is a news segment ever complete?

In any case, she was completely truthful, and neither of you are, yet you, mike, would argue Fox News is the fake news, for that is what "faux" means. I think in the story about Fox the real worry was what you completely missed (making my case for me better than anything that you are likely a dullard). It was O'Reilley's position that we should not second guess the cops. We should, and we always should. But this doesn't mean they were wrong in any way to pepper spray those people, just that we should consider what was done in the context of doing it and see if the cops went too far.

And from all of this is the more troubling problem as I see it, though it's nothing new. You want the news presented to you in a way that comports with your reality and your biases. And so a completely truthful comment is taken out of context by you to disparage someone, or something, you disagree with. Learned people call it demagoguery. You simply call it a condiment.

I wonder if she might have some sort of claustrophobia and/or just panicked. The story is different in the media than was originally reported.

She absolutely should be charged and yes, under instances like this, judges should be creative with their sentencing. If you can't act like an adult you get your 'toys' taken away. If she had some sort of claustrophobia then she had no business putting herself in a situation on Black Friday....the one day most people come out in droves in the morning hours. Hurting others simply because she can't deal with a situation she put herself in is pathetic and deserves some form of punishment. I do like the 'pepper spray her' idea. Maybe if she learns a little empathy for the pain she caused others she wouldn't act so stupidly again.

I wonder if she might have some sort of claustrophobia and/or just panicked. The story is different in the media than was originally reported.

Would that make it more acceptable?

Rich I don't believe I'm off base to far in any aspect of my post if you take my position I am being Facetious in my comment it was a stupid way for the Fox talking head to make a comment like she did because some people Will make a correlation that is not there mainly that it is some kind of food product and therefor might be usable in a store or any other way except self defence.Was she in fear for her or her children life or safety? or was she using it to gain an advantage I guess we will find out. Thanks for your comments.

i figure she was a true wal-mart'er...smelled like cat piss...had a half gallon of pepper spray...for those who dared to to come with in sniff'n range...wal-mart always suck's ...always...

Rich like playing devils advocate much?

Mike the Vet, you are still taking out of context. Kelly was asked if she knew what pepper spray was made of. Her answer was correct, if limited. Pepper is used, with several processes and additions. Military and police spray is much more potent. There are peppers out there which have a rating over 4,000 untreated. Google it.

ah...that's the ole pepper....

i figure she was a true wal-mart'er...smelled like cat piss

You are really an ignorant, judgemental s-o-a-b, aren't you? There are probably Wal mart stores that bad, but not around here. They are all located adjacent to decent parts of town, and normal every day people go in there. There are often a few Looney Tunes in them, but I've never ever smelled cat pee.

Making a such a generalized negative statement like that proves who the creep is in this crowd.

And if you would care to pay higher taxes I wouldn't have to shop at Wal mart because I'm a public employee. I have worked a clean, respectable job full time for twenty-three years. If I made a dollar less a week I'd probably be asking for public assistance, but I'm not.

You'd fit right in at your version of Wal mart, which is a bunch of lazy no gooders who stink.

Hey Neko,

Not really. I haven't played it yet. It has its purposes but this is a sincere disagreement. Maybe a little more sincerity and less gotchaisms and we would do better to come to a mutual understanding, if not even (should we hope for change?) agreement.

oldman,

Based on the Scoville scale.

5,000,000–5,300,000 Law enforcement grade pepper spray, FN 303 irritant ammunition

855,000–1,463,700 Naga Viper pepper, Infinity Chilli, Bhut Jolokia chili pepper. All the same pepper with different names in varying places in the world.

100,000–350,000 Habanero chili

In 2007, Guinness World Records certified the Bhut Jolokia as the world's hottest chili pepper, 401.5 times hotter than Tabasco sauce

Rich-281385

Sorry, but both you and Robert are wrong. She did say pepper spray was a derivative of pepper and was a food product, but she never said it was for table use, or even implied it was harmless. Her comment was in response to what it was, not how it was used. And her comment was entirely true, though not entirely complete--when is a news segment ever complete?

No point in trying to reason with them Rich, our friends on the left are blinded by hate and fear.. Even if you play the audio and send links, they will still somehow twist the truth to fit their philosophy..

Mrs Georgia Peach, He doesn't watch FOX NEWS, because if he did he would be a LITTLE SMARTER.

What get's me, is these type of individuals who take these sales to a fight to the finish mentality. And the very merchandise these self deserving idiots are being aggressive over, are going to be given to someone else on Christmas as a gift.

Talk about clueless and ignorant. This is the ultimate act of those who have lose sight of the actual Christmas spirit.

This woman chose to use the pepper spray with no regard towards others, she deserves what ever charges that might come of this. As well as the effected individuals, who may chose to file lawsuits.

We are all responsible for our own actions. She's no exception....

Retailers and the media have made such a big deal out of "Black Friday!" This is the result of greed! Greed by the retailers and the consumers. And the media fans the flames to get ratings. This kind of crap didn't happen until "Black Friday" was "invented." I'm not willing to put my life in jeoporday just to save a few bucks. Not to mention my freedom. If she or anyone else had pulled out pepper spray around me I would have been going to jail with her! I can get the same savings by sitting at home and buying what I want online. And I don't have to come in contact with all the dumbasses!

mike the vet and rich- your bickering is so annoying. seriously not that exciting of a story to respond to 10 different posts by 5 different people. having said that many serious injuries like trampling have always occured on black friday. people act like idiots for a cheaper price. if i shop that day i expect a crowd of crazies. i don't step foot in walmart, in california they are gross. ewww

i love the fact how cops pepper spray ppl all the time for no reason and never get charges but 1 citizen does it and were talking charges. typical america.

I am appalled at all the hype that goes on every friday after thanksgiving. Folks it is just another day!. I looked online and found maybee a 50 dollar maximum savings on the average big ticket item like a tv,computer etc. I would like to see shopping malls completly shut down from now on on this day, The plain and simple truth is that the media has brainwashed america into believing that if you dont shop on this day then you will never be able to shop again. All of the people who get suckered in on november 25 every year, are a bunch of people who do not have the ability to understand just how successful the retail business has become on this day at getting into your wallets. because of hype. america gets up and people dye, get peppersprayed, get robbed, get trampled, For what i ask? a 25 dollar savings on a tv that will be cheaper the day after christmas than on november 25th. I get to sit at home and watch the news describe just how stupid and irresponsible and murderous people become over quite simply greed to be the first one in line. Then when the doors open i get to watch all the american adults act just like 6 year olds fight and bicker over an item that will be on sale in a month from now. november 25th makes me embarrased to be an american with the rest of the world watching. I wonder what it is that they think about as they watch the american people completly loose all moral values to go shopping. it surley makes the retailers rich though. Now for the lady who assulted 20 people in the first degree with a caustic chemical for a stinking x box game. She needs to be arrested just like all criminals, then prosecuted for the assult, Then pay all the medical bills related to her childish act, then an eye for an eye from all of her victems. then jail time, then community service, Then all of her victems need to sue the piss out of her, Then all of the rest of america stop falling for an avdertising gimick on november 25th and just quit the wreckless behavior and shop on another day, The stores made record profits from all the dummies who opened their wallets like fools because they thought they would get something a little cheaper. What an absolute joke It is november 27 and i am still laughing until it makes me cry over how stupid america is on november 25 year afer year. God bless all the dummies next year.....

I am appalled at all the hype that goes on every friday after thanksgiving. Folks it is just another day!. I looked online and found maybee a 50 dollar maximum savings on the average big ticket item like a tv,computer etc. I would like to see shopping malls completly shut down from now on on this day, The plain and simple truth is that the media has brainwashed america into believing that if you dont shop on this day then you will never be able to shop again. All of the people who get suckered in on november 25 every year, are a bunch of people who do not have the ability to understand just how successful the retail business has become on this day at getting into your wallets. because of hype. america gets up and people dye, get peppersprayed, get robbed, get trampled, For what i ask? a 25 dollar savings on a tv that will be cheaper the day after christmas than on november 25th. I get to sit at home and watch the news describe just how stupid and irresponsible and murderous people become over quite simply greed to be the first one in line. Then when the doors open i get to watch all the american adults act just like 6 year olds fight and bicker over an item that will be on sale in a month from now. november 25th makes me embarrased to be an american with the rest of the world watching. I wonder what it is that they think about as they watch the american people completly loose all moral values to go shopping. it surley makes the retailers rich though. Now for the lady who assulted 20 people in the first degree with a caustic chemical for a stinking x box game. She needs to be arrested just like all criminals, then prosecuted for the assult, Then pay all the medical bills related to her childish act, then an eye for an eye from all of her victems. then jail time, then community service, Then all of her victems need to sue the piss out of her, Then all of the rest of america stop falling for an avdertising gimick on november 25th and just quit the wreckless behavior and shop on another day, The stores made record profits from all the dummies who opened their wallets like fools because they thought they would get something a little cheaper. What an absolute joke It is november 27 and i am still laughing until it makes me cry over how stupid america is on november 25 year afer year. God bless all the dummies next year.....

What would be fair is to spray her in her face and confiscate that Xbox ! Oh and make sure her eyes are open .... LOL

thisbudsforyo, you summed up the Black Friday situation very nicely.

I know that retailers make a huge chunk of their annual revenue during the holiday shopping season, but it seems to me that the cultural price we pay is too high. We are made to feel pressured into going out in the middle of the night (on a holiday that everyone, no matter what religion, can celebrate with family and friends) to buy things we don't need and can't afford. Is not the holiday itself and the time spent with our loved ones more important than consumerism? Some stores will be open on Christmas Day, which means some people will have to leave their kids at home and go to work on Christmas.

How many people will be out shopping this holiday season, maxing out their credit cards on over-priced stuff they don't need? Watch Hoarders on TV and you'll get an idea of the sickness and greed that seems to be more and more pervasive in our society.

What get's me, is these type of individuals who take these sales to a fight to the finish mentality. And the very merchandise these self deserving idiots are being aggressive over, are going to be given to someone else on Christmas as a gift.

Talk about clueless and ignorant. This is the ultimate act of those who have lose sight of the actual Christmas spirit.

Kimberly, I totally agree. What could be worse than a family member giving you a Christmas gift that they obtained that way?

Or are some people so selfish and greedy that they raise their children to think that it's more important to fight for some piece of junk from Walmart than it is to be kind and polite to others?

my thoughts exactly. this woman is a pig and should at least get probation for this. she sprayed 20 people including children!

She didn't do anything that was not also done by an off duty cop at another Walmart.

...and this is why I don't shop at Walmart (or anywhere else on Black Friday). It's completely ludicrous to make store employees cut their Thanksgiving holiday short and work all night on Thanksgiving. Why not go back to a reasonable opening hour (like 6 AM) on Black Friday? Would shoppers actually care if they couldn't start their Christmas shopping until the morning after Thanksgiving? What point is there in adding 6 or 8 hours onto the beginning of the Christmas shopping season if it results in incidents like this?

Walmart sells over-priced, low quality foreign-made merchandise. They have a history of hiring undocumented workers and treating their employees unfairly. So many of their customers have no manners and no respect for anyone else. Why anyone shops there is really beyond me.

This woman should be charged with assault and put in jail for her outrageous selfishness and aggression. Then she should be made to do community service.

Hi kaybeetoys,

I don't shop at WalMart ever, and I don't shop on Black Friday anywhere, but I do believe in economic freedom. If stores want to open and shoppers want to shop then they should be able to. I don't understand the pervasive concept you display of forcing others to heel to your demands. And I think WalMart's massive success indicates that shoppers get what they want at a price they are willing to pay. Maybe this isn't how you see the company, but the fact that it is so large and profitable belies your opinion.

About the only thing I agree with you on is that this woman seems to have committed an assault. If that investigation plays out that way then you bet, charge her, but can't we wait until a trial is conducted to convict her?

To Rich-281385: I find myself sorry that I attacked you a little harder than I should have,Your posts are correct the one I am commenting on now is spot on I never do Black Friday,to me Christmas is about fun with my kids shopping for the gifts they want to "buy" for the people they love,not combat to get the lowest price.Being in situation's like that do not bring out the best in this veteran.

Exactly. An apt punishment would be a nice fine and an overnight stay in the county jail...on Christmas Day.

Punk-You're right. What's to mull? She belongs in jail. It seems that ever since the day after Thanksgiving has been called black Friday, it always brings out the worst in people.

nutgrape-an off duty cop who would pepper spray customers belongs in jail too.

If was the Grand, Great, Potentate Emperor, I would punish her by not allowing her to have Christmas this year: no tree, decorations, presents, carols, goose-on-the-table, anything. If she has kids, she can tell them when they wake up and find nothing that "mommy was very naughty this year; she attacked people, including children, to get stuff, so Santa isn't coming here this year; it's all mommy's fault that we will have no Christmas; Santa says he's also afraid mommy will pepper-spray him when he comes down the chimney."

And all of you are privy to this to say with confidence that this particular woman should be charged? Due process? Nah, so overrated, lets just shove em in jail cause I read something and decided they must be guilty. Unless, of course, it's me or somebody I love, then you must do your utmost to follow the law. But that person over there that I don't know? Eh, shove em' in.

C123 it is clear that based on media reports this woman is guilty. It is clear that all the people who have read this article are now judge, jury and executioner. The fact that the police have to do an investigation and give this woman her due process must make her a family member to somebody in law enforcement, and not just an average person. They clearly don't understand that under the law this attack was a misdemeanor not committed in the presence of a police officer, and therefore they can't arrest her. Now they have to collect evidence, write a report and then submit it to the DA's office for her to be charged. I am shocked that people are so ignorant to how laws are actually investigated and applied.

...or made to work at Walmart.

Eh, fry her and let some god sort it out.

To Punk,

Not only an assault, she also committed a battery on about 20 people.

I do not agree with all Wal-mart's policies. It has been proven in the past that Wal-mart made age and sex discrimination a standard company policy. I also have no doubt that if they are able to force competition in any given area out of business, that they immediately gouge prices for the maximum amount of profit. However, they are usually one of the largest employers in many of the small communities they serve. The general merchandise stock is usually overall much cheaper than local competition, at least as long as the competition can compete.

I do all my shopping at Wal-mart. Since I do not like to shop anywhere and cannot tolerate large crowds, it is convenient for me to shop at a store where I can get everything from groceries to pharmacy items in one location. My oldest son is employed by them. Admittedly he doesn't make a fortune, but it was his choice to drop out of school and accept menial work.

That being said. The visit I made to Wal-mart Friday before last when I did my weekly grocery shopping will be my last trip there until after the after-Christmas sales. I will do my shopping at the local Kroger, which, while more expensive, does not suffer from the crowd level.

I am appalled by what I see our nation has been reduced to in my lifetime. Shoppers attacking each other over a few dollars and shoppers stepping over the dead bodies of other shoppers because someone else might get that "bargain" they are there for if they stop to render aid are only the most recent examples of how selfish this nation has become. I remember an interview Arnold Swarzenegger (spelling) did about how within a week of landing in the United States with only his clothes he had everything he needed to set up house because of the charity of everyone he met. I wonder if he would have that same experience now.

We have no one to blame but ourselves. We have raised our children to think only of themselves. Teach your children manners. The hope is in the future.

Walmart stores aren't bad during the Christmas holidays if you go early in the day. Ours don't get crazy until the kids get out of school and people start getting off work. The absolute worst time to go is after suppertime and up to about one or two o'clock in the morning. I've made a couple of late night runs, and I'm amazed at the number of people in the stores a midnight or later. Lol, I made a three a.m. run into Walmart a while back to buy an emergency plunger (nothing else would have gotten me in there at that hour), and the place was practically deserted.

I don't know about elsewhere, but our Walmart stores don't appear to discriminate by age. I see older men and women both working there, and I feel sorry for them because I wish they could be at home relaxing. I'm sure most of them wouldn't have jobs at all if they weren't working in a place like Walmart. And our stores hire some young people who took special education classes all the way through school. I see several of them most afternoons when I go into the store, and they seem to be smiling and content enough. There aren't enough jobs in this county to hire all the able bodied, let alone the special needs people. I shop at Walmart a lot too, and I know they do a lot of bad things, but I can't complain about what I see in our stores.

I loathe Walmart. I hope that karma will do bad things to the Walton family for what it's done. Do I shop there? Maybe I got three times a year when I'm desperate and have no other choice (and Walmart sees to it that people have no other choice - so much for capitalism). But when I do, I expect Walmart to give me absolute perfection at my standards. I bought a nine-dollar watch there and found the instructions too difficult to follow to set it. If I wanted to, I could do it, but why should I? I expect perfection. That's what I paid for. I took the watch back and stated that it was too difficult to program. I should be able to do it in one step; that's what I paid Walmart for. I got my money back and bought another watch a block away from a local place. It cost (on sale) a buck more. I could program it in one step. Oh, and the watch I bought locally was made in America. The Walmart one (and it was their brand) was made by communists in China. May karma strike the Walton family soon, very soon. I want to revel in watching it suffer for supporting and promoting communism.

Some of these comments I find hard to believe! What happened to two wrongs don't make it right? This person used pepper spray makes it OK for all of us to follow suit? AT CHRISTMAS!!! Come on people, Who cares how potent the pepper spray is? This is wrong! Police are approved to use it in proper situation only, not at will. Women carry it in hope of stopping a rape, not to use it at will. There is a proper time and misuse needs corrective action to suit. This should be quite obvious. Is this what Christmas shopping is turning into? God help us all!

Rich-281385

Hi kaybeetoys,

I don't shop at WalMart ever, and I don't shop on Black Friday anywhere, but I do believe in economic freedom. If stores want to open and shoppers want to shop then they should be able to. I don't understand the pervasive concept you display of forcing others to heel to your demands.

"forcing others to heel to my demands"?? Whoa--I was only suggesting that stores resume a reasonable opening hour for Black Friday shopping. I've worked as a store clerk on Black Friday. Maybe you haven't, Rich. Is it fair to the employees of the stores (the women especially) to have to cook and clean up at Thanksgiving and then go to work all night? Not to me. And I don't call that economic freedom either.

And I think WalMart's massive success indicates that shoppers get what they want at a price they are willing to pay. Maybe this isn't how you see the company, but the fact that it is so large and profitable belies your opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe in buying American made products (whenever possible) at local stores. I do not support the concept or the practice of a huge behemoth like Walmart undercutting its competition and driving every other local store out of business so that the Walton family can all be multi-billionaires.

Furthermore, anyone who believes that the financial success of Walmart (or any other large corporation) indicates that customers are satisfied with their business practices is very naive, possibly even out of touch with reality.

I am appalled by what I see our nation has been reduced to in my lifetime. Shoppers attacking each other over a few dollars and shoppers stepping over the dead bodies of other shoppers because someone else might get that "bargain" they are there for if they stop to render aid are only the most recent examples of how selfish this nation has become.

TexasLady, I could not agree more. Our nation has become culturally bankrupt. We worship the almighty dollar and our most important product is entertainment. Sleazy entertainment.

The meaning of Christmas has gotten lost in the mad scramble of American consumerism. The entire meaning of Christianity seems to have lost its way as well. Jesus would be very sad to see what has become of his life and his work.

no brainer Huh?

well if the innocent victims had stayed at home...pepper spraying them self...there would be no charges against big moma...a true wal-marter smells like cat piss... and carry's a half gallon of pepper spray...wal-mart always suck's....

Yep - assault and battery on about 20 people. Unfortunately, there is no law against plain ole' stupidity.

J. Howard,

California does not apply assault and battery as one crime. Assault is PC 240 which is the attempt coupled with the present capability to use unlawful force on another.

Battery is PC 242 which is the unlawful use of force upon another. Since PC 242 was completed, there will be no assault charges filed. The term "assault and battery" is a major misnomer made popular by TV.

Sue the woman - NOT WalMart. They could not have prevented it. And as a stockholder I can say we won't miss you so don't come in again.

How dare Walmart put our children that were in the crowd with their parents in harms way just for the mighty dollar.

So now Wal-Mart is responsible for someone's behavior and our children?

The nanny state is truly here.

Everyone who ventures out on Thanksgiving night and early morning on black Friday is responsible for this mentality. Shoppers pepper sprayed in this story. Another person is shot outside of another Wal-Mart. One man collapses at a Target and shoppers step over him. It's this need for some deal we think we are going to get on mostly junk that will end up in a landfill by the next black Friday anyway. Not every person waiting in some long line for black Friday openings was party to these situations, but every person camping out for a toy or some $200 TV is responsible for contributing to this mentality.

WalMart didn't put your children in harms way. YOU DID! Why weren't they in bed at a decent hour? Did WalMart pick them up, buckle them in (which I'm wondering if you did), and drag them into the store at that hour? No, YOU DID! You should be charged with child endangerment. I'm sure this wasn't your first time at one of these sales, and you know how crowded these get. This is the problem with America these days, we all want to blame someone else and not take responsibility for our own actions.

I hate to say it but, Roger you're an idiot.

Um... Yeah tidoublegr... We all want to blame someone else and not take responsibility. Like blaming a mother for taking her child shopping instead of blaming the woman with the pepper spray.

Why were children in the store so late at night? Blame the parents, not Walmart.

You've taken a situation where an individual pepper sprayed other people and you're blaming the store??? Are you serious?

I'm so sick of people failing to accept responsibility for their actions and always looking to blame someone else. Please leave this country and take all the attorneys with you.

um MissScarlet he was responding to Roger blaming Walmart for child endangerment. Do you read all the post or just pick out ones with the keywords you are looking for?

How dare Walmart put our children that were in the crowd with their parents in harms way

I hope that's sarcasm. Walmart didn't put anyone's children anywhere. The parents chose to bring their kids shopping with them on a day that everyone knows can get dangerous. It's not Walmart's fault that parents who make bad choices decide to shop at their store. Walmart can't tell people they can't bring their kids in the store.

Exactly, Marebob. Children should be sleeping at that time of night. How is it Wal-mart's fault a mother made a poor decision to take her child shopping instead of hiring a sitter, if she just HAD to shop in the middle of the night? And how is it Wal-mart's fault this woman feels she has the right to assault others to secure her place in line?

where were all the men and kids fathers at????i would not have hesitated one second after the first child was coughing to choke slam her on the floor as hard as possible, take away her spray, open her mouth and finish the bottle off directly down her throat. and would gladly take whatever charge came with it afterwards. people in this country are victims because of their own lack of action 99% of the time

richmond va b

How dare Walmart put our children that were in the crowd with their parents in harms way

WAL-MART did NOT put anyone in danger. The idiot with the pepper-spray, trying to get the advantage over other shoppers put them in danger.

Do you take any responsibility for your own actions or do you blame someone else for your poor decisions?

Historically Walmart has had issues in their stores on these dates. So by continuing to feed the problem I feel to a point they are quite responsible. They could easily spread these sales out over the course of a week rather than a few hours and help the problem. However people SHOULD be able to use self control and should also be held accountable.

wow yep... pretty extreme but you know what they say about the south... and tiboublegr,,, while you may disagree with the parents bringing their children out during this time, nobody really thought someone was going to pepper spray everyone so its not really their fault, only the ladies fault that did the pepper-spraying.just another example of how mass consumerism has taken over this country.

John-1283964

I agree. Thirty counts of assault. one for each person and if the DA does not press charges the ones that were assaulted should.

What more to the story could there be? She feared for her life? She was scared these people would attack her? Nice try, but the story is simple. She wanted said item, and she used whatever means possible to get it. It's just an item. The woman is a criminal, and has no respect for her fellow human beings. Everyone there had children they wanted to buy this item for. Lack of empathy for other people. Bottom line, this was about greed.

Maybe I have ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

Police do it to innocent people so they are mulling about whether ordinary citizens can do it to innocent people................Duhhhhh what a crock of ...............

If reports are correct, YES, she is a cop's wife.

Its a misdemeanor and in California you can't be arrested for a misdemeanor that was not committed in the presence of a police officer. Police file a complaint the DA files charges. So, the police are not "Mulling" about charging her, the are "mulling" about what penal code violation to include in their complaint to the DA's office.

OBXRon, Police don't do it to innocent people. Clearly you believe everything you see on TV and have an ignorant view the application of law enforcement.

Kelcy, Where in the world did you get the idea that she pepper sprayed 20 people, including children because she was protecting herself? Are you kidding??? I am 48 years old and have NEVER seen police open fire with pepper spray into a crowd. Not sure where you live, but you might want to consider moving to a less violent area.

"Protecting personhoods from the merger of initial merger of two cells"?? Honey, I think you got a bad batch of crack.

Lizzie, I have NEVER seen that either.

...abcnews.go.com/US/slideshow/pepper-spray-occupy-wall-street-14996575

Except all the time, and especially in those pictures.

Furthermore, I have never seen it so widespread that it is now mocked.

http www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/us/pepper-sprays-fallout-from-crowd-control-to-mocking-images.html

Except for there.

...knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepper-spray-cop-casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop

Whoops, I guess everyone is mocking it now.... :)

She is lucky I was not there. I am a concealed carry permit holder and always carry in WM. Draw your own conclusions.

bob5ford

Sorry but your CCW is NOT legal in Ca. For that matter ANY out of State CCW is ILLEGAL in Ca.

Which is why many of us will NEVER take the tourism ad's offer to visit your lovely state.

And a good way to get killed!

You sir, are a very disturbed man.

LOL...

Why the hostility? Did you get a speeding ticket?

What is there to mull over? She assaulted twenty people including children. Charge her, fine her, lecture her, sentence her....What is so hard here?

Don't you think your twisted, vacuous "logic" is a stretch?

Nothing about her "logic" is twisted or vacuous---it makes a lot of sense. Obviously the pepper-sprayer has entitlement issues---hey, just like any FoxNews follower!

Christine Meeusen, your comment was to say the least, stupid! I could say more but don't wish to fall in your category. Which is stupid in case you've forgotten.

Although I agree that she should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, these retailers MUST be held responsible for pepetuating this type of mob mentality. Maybe when Walmart and stores like them start feeling the lint in their pockets they will change some of their approach. There is absolutely no reason for this type of behavior whether it be during the holidays or not. Clearly no one gives a hoot about the meaning of Thanksgiving or Christmas, that horse has been beaten to death already. Time for people to stand up for what is right and have a little human decency.

I understand the need for fair prices, I am not a rich woman, far from it, but I do not patronize these types of establishments. I believe in paying for quality, not quantity, fair treatment of employees, and shopping in an environment where I won't fear for my life or my familys'. Every little bit helps and if people band together (like they do on Thanksgiving night waiting for one of 3 TVS) maybe we can really make a difference.

There is such a thing as crowd control. In the past, retailers with a sense of responsibility have only allowed a certain amount of people into the store at a time for these ginormous special sales. If a musical act can be personally sued when bleachers or a stage collapses, then the retailer can, and should, have some responsibility for creating a safe shopping environment. IMHO anyone who wants to "experience" a black Friday like this last one should have to take an mental/common sense test and undergo a full cavity search! If you want to be considered a preferred customer, then maybe the retailer could create an online boarding pass thing like Southwest Airlines uses. You are given your number and the time to show up and do your shopping. No early boarding! LOL

And people wonder why corporatons take their jobs overseas where wages are lower and liability issues over mentally deranged shoppers are not an issue. Until retailers are given the right to search all customers for weapons, we cannot hold them responsible when someone uses a weapon.

I understand the need for fair prices, I am not a rich woman, far from it, but I do not patronize these types of establishments. I believe in paying for quality, not quantity, fair treatment of employees, and shopping in an environment where I won't fear for my life or my familys'. Every little bit helps and if people band together (like they do on Thanksgiving night waiting for one of 3 TVS) maybe we can really make a difference.

Ladyofthelake, I'm with you. I do not shop at Walmart. Their promise of low prices is a joke. Other retailers have better prices and better quality, and their shoppers are not deranged and dangerous. I do like the idea of people banding together to end the Black Friday madness.

It really isn't worth the trip, Jerome. It's a pretty sad commentary about people's priority's. It used to be that the holidays were for family's, friends, and love. It still is that way in my home.

I feel so sorry for those who think of Christmas only as a commercial holiday. The woman mentioned in this article is but an example of the way our country has shifted into a hateful, greedy, self serving nation. All you have to do is read through these comments to see the hate people have for others.

Christmas Eve we'll enjoy the midnight service, we will genuflect and give thanks for our many blessings. For us, it's not about the gifts we can buy for each other, but rather the gifts we give each other by loving one another.

On that note, I would love to wish everyone a safe, love filled holiday.

Here's what really gets me. I had a particular item that I wanted to try to buy for my son for Christmas. There were two different retailers that had the item on sale on Black Friday. Although I normally don't shop on Black Friday, I was going to make the effort to make my son happy. On Thanksgiving night, I decided to check the websites for the two retailers to see if there was really a huge difference between what I would pay online and what I would pay in the store. Guess what - BOTH retailers had the item online for the EXACT SAME PRICE I would have paid at the store on Friday. So for the price of an extra few dollars for shipping, I was able to avoid all of the craziness at the stores. I advise everyone to check online first - you may be fortunate enough to have the same experience I did!