I am essentially against OWS but I hate to see lives lost like this. Condolences to his family.

As to the political side of this, OWS is going away. Soon they will be a distant memory. The RNC and DNC wil bring out the radical OWS'er, kind of like Abbie Hoffman and the Chicago 7. I look forward to them scaling the walls and yelling out "Down with Anarchy" as they criticize everything that has made this country as great as it is.

Yes there are problems pointed out by OWS, but the poor and unemployed of the US are a lot better off than the middle class in other countries. And this economy WILL recover. And alot of these OWS people will get jobs. And some day they will be sitting in their office watching younger people protest and just shake their heads.

Tell that to Libya

Lar-345817,

Were you essentially against the American Revolution too? The OWS has so much support nationwide because we are tired of living under "taxation without representation". We want the big corporations to mind their own business (which is fair) and to get their greedy, self-serving hand$ out of our government! We want them to stop funding legislation that benefits only a few, and ends up raping the general American population...don't fool yourself, the AMA, pharmaceutical companies, big oil, public utility commissions, the Koch brothers, insurance companies, and Wall Street run this country.

For all the occupy folks, try something new you dumb a@@es! You want to sit out where no one cares a RATS A@@ about you, Wall Street!!!!!!!!!!, universities or college campuses!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry universities are just a tool of propaganda in today’s economy!!!

Try occupying the following stadiums, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NASCAR, businesses P&G, McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Target, and the list goes on. THE BANKSTERS local locations and then you might impress me, the UPPER 1% runs or own all of that!

The country I once knew and loved is gone, I just might join you then if you go after their BALLS…………………………….

AND BOTH PARTIES HEADQUARTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't see many taxpayers at any of those rallies, so don't give me the no taxation without representation. You need to work to pay taxes, or do you believe that is just "free" money also?? Go get your tinfoil hat....

hey Lard: most OWS people have jobs, mostly in the professional ranks. Some of them and many more struggling today to find work will be indentured slaves in blue vests for the corporate monster wondering if the next generation will produce as many fools as you so the tyranny continues.

KFitzpa and Mike

Taxation without representation compared to the American Revolution. Your comment is an insult to Americans. You can vote out anyone you (the people) want to.

Like I said I am against OWS. That is because they blame everyone BUT themselves. The consumer has caused a lot of problems in this country. They want everything now, they thought their house was only going up in value, they thought they could take on more debt than they should, and they think they deserve handouts.

And OWS is anti Capitalism, which is what made this country great.

The OWS people are like Abbie Hoffman, nobody erected a statue in his honor, while people like JP Morgan, Rockefeller and DuPont have done enormous things for this country.

Essentially OWS are a bunch of bigots who lump ALL banks, large corporations, Corporate Execs, Politicians, into one. Yes there are corrupt ones, but there are good ones too.

The way to solve the problems of the US are for all of us to work hard and together. This economy will recover. We will be the strongest nation in the world, both economically and militarily. We all have to make some sacrifices. No handouts.

I am just a middle class person. I pay my taxes, have worked since I graduated college, worked part time from 16 through college to pay for college. I have no union to protect me. I have changed jobs on my own several times, no one GAVE me a job. These OWS people don't get it.

Wake up Now

JPMorgan is dead. Read about what he did.

I am referring to the people, the Patriarchs who are long gone. Some of the current family members are the idle rich. Being rich is not against the law. It is the American dream.

JPMorgan the company is not a criminal People are criminals. It appears that there are criminals working for big banks and there are criminals among OWS. Per capita I believe OWS has more criminals. So many have been arrested for breaking obvious laws. Few bankers have been arrested.

So one person out of possibly hundreds if not a thousand dies of what appears to be and may be natural causes. Not exactly earth shaking news. Take say one thousand TEA Party members statistically speaking due do their age group one of them could die any minute.

Devils son

I think this is the 5th death. Were there any Tea Party deaths?

It's statistically likely. But, any Teabaggers who died in their sleep, would have done so at home.

Lar, you are correct, very few, if any bankers have been arrested. Ever wonder why those crooks escape being arrested? MONEY talks, BS walks. Plain and simple.

So SallyAnn Can you name a laws they broke. Any of them charged with trespassing, public lewdness, defecating in public, rape, murder, even staying in a park past closing hours?

What were they guilty of?

Did they walk or talk?

By the way they the banks did get bailed out, and paid 5% for the money.

How do you think they got that extra 5%? By making loans, and charging who knows how much in interest. So, let Us see, the taxpayer bails them out, they use the money We gave them to give back to Us, and then they charge Us interest to use it...

They should have been left to fall. Instead, they committed the crime of theft. But, of course, they will not be tried. The politicians are in their pocket. If they wanted to pay back the money the taxpayers gave them, they could simply have given the money away.

Again, they should have been left to fall.

My memory of hippie communes was that they wanted to get away from everyone else and live in a group that was self supporting, and not 'occupied' (irony intentional) with things like money and big business. And I don't remember the hippies wanting the government to pay for them.

Yes, MCJ, and I think it is great!! About time someone said somthing. This country is going down the drain real fast. I am not sure it can be stopped. I hope so.

Mygirl

reread your history. They did sit ins, marches, protests, draft card burning and others things I can't recall off the top of my mind. Those of you who (guys) turned 18 after 1979 thank those hippies that you have a choice to enlist in the military or not. Before that, you did serve in the miltary. So I say good for you ows.

What I liked about the 60s was the "hippies" liberal attitudes on people's views. You could disagree with a longhair and they would respect your opinion. They wouldn't say that you were wrong, but they would give you their opinion. Nowadays the "liberal" left wants to call everyone stupid if you don't fit into their far left mindset. The hippies used to call narrow-minded individuals rednecks.

Considering this is a grass roots movement and the fact that Americas rich and powerful are trying to stop it any way they can..

Why yes it is a huge success. and continues to move forward

Even thousands of arrests haven't stopped it.

BTW how many wall street bankers have been arrested?

...Americas rich and powerful are trying to stop it any way they can..

LOL! I hate to break this to you but America's rich and powerful are largely ignoring the movenment at this point along with the rest of us. Once they started making ludicris demands the movement lost any credibility it had.

BTW how many wall street bankers have been arrested?

There actually has to be a law against what they are doing before they can be arrested. Durrrrrr Yet another moronic statement in support of OWS.

"....BTW how many wall street bankers have been arrested?"

For what?

BTW---Denton, Texas is not exactly a hotbed of corporate activity. But it does have a surplus delusional college students.

Spike:

A couple of days ago, Massachusett's AG Martha Coakley filed suit against several major banks (JPMorgan, BoA, Citi, WellsFargo) charging that they violated foreclosure rules and illegally foreclosed on thousands of homes - that's what for. NY and RI have already filed similar charges.

What we need is a perp walk.

Seems the UNT folks are having a bit of fun...except for the dead guy. The flaw with the occupy protests is that they 'occupy' as in 'squat.' Protesters in the 60's marched and held sit-ins, they weren't squatting on public property, creating health hazards and slums. Protest but do it in a way that actually accomplishes something, have a coherent message and intelligent demands. Wanting to be forgiven for your student loans and demanding that the 'rich' give you their stuff isn't really protesting, its whining and demanding and generally selfish.

wake up now,

Go back to sleep, Fidel.

The question remains----arrest the bankers for what?

Sarah,

So, if you sell something to someone on credit, and they do not pay you, you just forget about it. Correct?

Have any big screen HD TV's for sale? I'll pay you later. I promise!

If you have to ask "for What?", Spike - I guess you haven't been paying attention. Please change your channel off FOX. Or do some internet research. Just please stop insulting us with that inseccant stupid question.

Spike, you are saying it's OK for wallstreet to use your money if you invest,to gamble on risky bonds and other securitiys and they lose it's OK with you.

The occupy protests are using a tactic that has been used before. Remember that the civil rights and poor people's movements of the 1960's often occupied parks and malls. "Freedom City" was an occupation of the DC mall that lasted for nearly a year. A 24/7 vigil was maintained outside the South African Embassy in London for about three years in support of the anti-Apartheid movement. Other examples could be cited.

Over the last fifty years public forum law in Western democracies has evolved to better define the rights of protesters and how protest is regulated by authorities. The evolution has been towards greater protection of First Amendment rights of free public assembly and free speech for everyone. Over the past thirty years, US Public Forum Law has evolved to provide protesters with broader access to public spaces. There are pending legal challenges to some of the evictions and tactics used to evict protesters, and injunctions have been issued to stop some evictions.

"Spike, you are saying it's OK for wallstreet to use your money if you invest,to gamble on risky bonds and other securitiys and they lose it's OK with you."

Basic investment rule---high risk/high return, low risk/low return. Put your money in a FDIC institution? No risk up to $250,000 per depositor/per institution.

"If you have to ask "for What?", Spike - I guess you haven't been paying attention. Please change your channel off FOX. Or do some internet research. Just please stop insulting us with that inseccant stupid question."

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

Please stop the "incessant" Pavlovian FOX accusation. It was old, stale, and redundant, about ten years ago.

I am a 58 year old bricklayer and out of work.

Look for work. not handouts.

I am a 60 year old "hippie" I served my country,worked as a millwright,and now retired.I don't understand the people that knock the Occupy movement,unless you are O.K. with everything Wall street and the Banks in collusion with politicians on both sides of the aisle have done.How much simpler can that be,always minimising their efforts does no one any good,theft by these people has gone unpunished,and these people stand up and because a few don't meet your approval you say their all dirty,lazy,whatever you go out and live in these conditions while being attacked by the right wing,police, fox news and so on and so on. these people are patriots if you don't like them fine go back to your cave and wait I am the 99%.................................

Jezzabello - being old and in a depressed economy sucks. Better ask your union rep where there is demand or learn a backup trade.

JezzaBelle1 - so you are a 58 year old, unemployed bricklayer - big whoop. I'm 60 and unemployed, too. My husband and I both worked for Wachovia and were laid off during the Wells Fargo takeover that was forced by the Feds/politicians. Fortunately, my husband was able to find employment with in a few months at a 20% pay cut. Neither of us were making huge salaries or bonuses so that 20% loss in pay has been hard to absorb. Many of our friends are in the same boat as you and me. However, we do not identify with the OWS crowd or the 99%. And we would be embarrassed if people thought we did.

Our household is now a two-family household as two of a very good friends, who were in more difficult straights than us, are now living with us. This arrangement has worked beautifully for all of us and we are actually seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. This isn't a solution that would work for everyone, but it has been a blessing for the four of us. We have all learned a lot about communicating, sharing, and supporting each other. This kind of arrangement happened a lot during the depression of the 20's/30's.

Please don't try to tell me that it is solely the evil rich or the Wall Street fat cats that have created the economic situation our Country is in now - because it's not. We have all in our own way contributed to this situation. Whether we did it with our votes, or adopted the attitude that someone owes me because I breath, we lived above our means, we didn't work for an education that would allow us to improve our lot in life, etc...whatever the case may be, we have all contributed to the situation.

So instead of letting a bunch of squaters speak for you, speak for yourself...don't sit and wait for someone else to find a solution to your current situation, find your own solution. We were raised by parents who told us if we wanted something to earn it...don't expect it to be handed to you...don't get your feelings hurt if not everyone likes you or wants to help you succeed in life...your success or lack thereof, is your own doing.

Newswinner

Im not a big fan of the bailouts, but let me ask you, if the big banks were allowed to fail, who would have been hurt worse, the bankers, or the average middle class Americans who had their retirement money in those banks.

Next time you are in a bank read their disclosure about your deposits they are covered,the bank Ceo is the only ones who would have been hurt, but Joe average got taken to the cleaners,while fatcats got off free all the way to their offshore accounts.

Newswinner--see, I didn't and don't approve of the banks being bailed out. But the Wall street protests? You DO know that most of the retired folks who did ANY saving/earning pensions RELY on Wall Street for their monthly income? Nearly every pension fund in the US is invested in Wall Street, because INFLATION happens, even when it is slow, and if you just put your money in a sock, it will be worth less the next year. Plus the money invested in Wall Street has the potential to GROW, which is how most of us accumulated enough to create an income. If you want to go protest in Washington DC about the policies of the government that not only ENCOURAGED the banking practices re: home loans, good on you! But remember, in the 70's, it was the DEMS that were pushing those practices, and FORCING the banks to make loans they KNEW the mortgagee could not afford. I grew up in a time when instant gratification was the norm, and saving up for a luxury (TV, new car, new furniture, down-payment for a house) was un-'stylish'. FORTUNATELY, my PARENTS grew up in the Depression, and taught me better.

NOone taught our government better. And while it is all noble to want the government to 'give you a hand out too', the fact is, the government does not have the MONEY. If you want to protest, go protest your GOVERNMENT spending money they don't have. By all means, protest the bail outs. I'm with you. But remember, I'm ALSO against 'bailing out' General Motors, and Solyndra, etc. We CANNOT continue to BORROW from our children and Grand children.

And PS--I'm NOT a repug, or a Fox News fan. My income is less than $50K, so I'm FIRMLY in the 'so-called' 99%. I VOTED for Obama, and probably will be forced to again by the idiot Repugs by who they nominate.

Funny how it is 'unfair' to lump all Wall-streeters, but PERFECTLY OK for you to label anyone not in lockstep with them?

mike the vet

I am a 60 year old "hippie" I served my country,worked as a millwright,and now retired.I don't understand the people that knock the Occupy movement,unless you are O.K. with everything Wall street and the Banks in collusion with politicians on both sides of the aisle have done.How much simpler can that be,always minimising their efforts does no one any good,theft by these people has gone unpunished,and these people stand up and because a few don't meet your approval you say their all dirty,lazy,whatever you go out and live in these conditions while being attacked by the right wing,police, fox news and so on and so on. these people are patriots if you don't like them fine go back to your cave and wait I am the 99%.................................

Mike the Vet--I'm Steve the Vet and I'm 60 y/o Vet also--organic farmer. The bashers speak of freedom constantly, while they wish to deprive others of a voice. Thanks for your post and I'm glad that folks like you exist. Dissent is the foundation of democracy.

Thank you for your service Steve I was in (69-72) I think both of us have seen the elephant and know which end to stay away from. Jeff not everyone has the ability or means to train up move out to other jobs some time @!$%# happens when it does to ask for a hand UP is not the same as a hand out.

70-74 USN, USS Marias AO-57 and Fleet Air Jax. Well put about the elephant, brother.

Who really asked for handouts not a single person in the OWS movement. AIG and hugh banks did and what did they do with their bail out money? They gave it to themselves a selfish act with no discretion for others and no responsabilty to the peolpe who entrusted their money to these criminals. Those who are fed up with this kind of injustice are not hippies but Americans standing up to injustice. Oh and by the way Newt. I had a job as a carpenter. Now I'm still looking for a job. You big fat cat slob..

There is obviously a big difference between generations of vets. I'm a younger vet, and the last thing I want is the government to help. I want an even playing field, that means the same rules apply to all and lobbyist are severely restricted so certain corporations can't keep the start ups from entering the market. Smaller government, fewer regulations, a hell of a lot less intervention, and fair courts is what we need.

Mcj that is nonsense. These people want nothing more than a fair playing field. There is nothing wrong with wanting the rules to be fair. Then and only then can you point the finger and say to them it is their fault. The super wealthy have increased their salaries by 10,000 per hour in the last four years while the average working person has had a decrease in salary by over 20%. Why are these two related? Because of a simple supply demand relationship of dollars spent vs. dollars earned. There are only so many dollars that exist. If they are all at the top then there is no money for people to earn. That is a simplified explanation you can understand. If you are playing monopoly and the banker gets all the properties at only 10% the cost, doesn't have to pay any of the fines, gets to purchase whenever the please, and can take free turns when they want it should be no guess as to who will win the game leaving everyone else bankrupt. Why is it so hard for you to understand the concept that is they make all the rules they completely control the game? When they buy legislation and break whatever laws they please with no enforcement the the game is not on a level playing field. That is what the OWS are demanding and it is not unreasonable. This is the same condition that Germany had before World War II and the main reason Germany got away with what they did. There was no money except in the hands of a select few and they were the ones making the rules. I would suggest you look at the history of income in the U.S. and realize that the standard of living has been declining since the mid 1950s. From campaigns to squash unions to dumbing people down and holding them hostage for things that have been made necessary such as credit cards, it has been a systematic and well planned theft of the middle class. If the rules were obeyed then none of this could happen and upward mobility would be possible for anyone that wished to work hard for it. In the early 1980s for the first time in U.S. history two members of a family had to work to support it. By 2002 two working members was no longer enough and there were no more extra hours or extra income sources to sustain middle class living. People relied on credit to take up the slack of inadequate incomes. Many people found they could no even help their children get an education because the could no longer afford it. By 2006 the whole system started to collapse. During this entire period the super wealthy increased their incomes on the backs of the middle class while reducing their tax burdens by over 60%. The tax burdens on the middle class has risen by roughly 20%. So when you point the finger and tell everyone it is their own fault these greedy people can make their own rules which you have to obey but do not apply to them, I would agree-they should have started OWS years ago!

sonoma frog--first, thank you for your service. (and to all the vets commenting on this story.)

I TOTALLY agree with you about lobbyists. You DO know, tho, that one of the biggest lobbying groups out there is organized LABOR??? That in addition to the Supreme Court declaring a 'company' to be a 'person' regarding campaign contributions, they ALSO declared LABOR UNIONS a "person"?

Good luck to you in what ever enterprise you are 'starting up'--I hope it catches on! (and that the government stays out of your way!)

Dissent is the foundation of democracy.

Nicely said sandtrich. I will remember that one.

Hi sonomafrog thank you for your service I know a lot of "younger" vets I use the V.A. for many things since I have a disability, I agree about a level playing field but don't knock all government some times it's needed if your reach retirement age with few options the V.A. is there for you,and that is because of government.I don't think there is a big differance I've worked since I was 15 but I see so many thing wrong with how things are going today and Occupy are some of the only people putting their bodies out there on the line.

Mo yes Wall Street does hold the money for many retirees. What you fail to mention is that they are the ones that destroyed these retirement accounts and pillaged their value down to nothing. It sure didn't hurt them because their money was safe and sound while the made billions off the crash and then gave themselves bonuses. You need only ask the question why is every body's 401 value next to nothing while the Wall Street traders are having a great big party. Its not rocket science!

squidword--sorry, but the OWS's don't want a 'level' playing field. The want things HANDED to them. NO governent agency paid for MY college, or my children's. WE did. In some cases, by saving up in advance, in other by earning scholarships, and in the case of my daughter, by borrowing AND PAYING BACK.

And while you claim the 'standard of living' has gone steadily down since the 50's, I DISAGREE. My parents saved for TWO years to buy a TV, just one, and tiny at that. I now have THREE in my house, two of which never get turned on. I have a microwave (actually two--'inheritted' after my daughter got out of college 11 years ago, along with her 'dorm sized fridge, and occasionally that comes in really handy!) one fridge, one deep freeze, a paid for car that cost nearly as much as my first house and more clothes than I can EVER wear. I have a cell phone, and computer, and cable TV. SO do most of the people I KNOW. That is because COSTS of those things have gone down dramatically, and more people can afford them.

As for needing two incomes? I was in the work force in the late 70's, and we CHOSE for me to stay home with the kids, while my best friend CHOSE to go back to work. Guess what? By the time she bought work clothes, child care, gas, and food 'out', they were no better off than if SHE'd stayed home too. Women, like it or not, now can CHOOSE to work just because they don't WANT to stay home. Or because they like all the extras they can buy.

Thankfully, the reason that phenomena came about was not so much NEED for money, but the PILL. Pre-dependable birth control, women had trouble getting HIRED since the company had no guarantee they wouldn't need to take 6 weeks off every year to have a baby.

YES, some women work and did work because they needed to. My GRANDMOTHER worked during the Depression. But to assume that because so many women work now is because our standard of living has gone down is BS.

By ALL means, have OWS protest the salaries of the CEOs et al who make that much money when their COMPANY isn't. But be prepared to make the SAME argument on pro sports athletes, and movie stars. And book authors, and television personalities like Oprah. Otherwise, you have to recognize that if that CEO is making his company successful, he is ALSO making every person who owns stock in that company successful. NO MATTER how small an owner that is. And that is what is paying for the retirement pensions of most of the people in this country who saved and scrimped, or stayed with one company long enough to vest, have.

squidword--sorry, but the OWS's don't want a 'level' playing field. The want things HANDED to them. NO governent agency paid for MY college, or my children's. WE did. In some cases, by saving up in advance, in other by earning scholarships, and in the case of my daughter, by borrowing AND PAYING BACK.

And while you claim the 'standard of living' has gone steadily down since the 50's, I DISAGREE. My parents saved for TWO years to buy a TV, just one, and tiny at that. I now have THREE in my house, two of which never get turned on. I have a microwave (actually two--'inheritted' after my daughter got out of college 11 years ago, along with her 'dorm sized fridge, and occasionally that comes in really handy!) one fridge, one deep freeze, a paid for car that cost nearly as much as my first house and more clothes than I can EVER wear. I have a cell phone, and computer, and cable TV. SO do most of the people I KNOW. That is because COSTS of those things have gone down dramatically, and more people can afford them.

As for needing two incomes? I was in the work force in the late 70's, and we CHOSE for me to stay home with the kids, while my best friend CHOSE to go back to work. Guess what? By the time she bought work clothes, child care, gas, and food 'out', they were no better off than if SHE'd stayed home too. Women, like it or not, now can CHOOSE to work just because they don't WANT to stay home. Or because they like all the extras they can buy.

Thankfully, the reason that phenomena came about was not so much NEED for money, but the PILL. Pre-dependable birth control, women had trouble getting HIRED since the company had no guarantee they wouldn't need to take 6 weeks off every year to have a baby.

YES, some women work and did work because they needed to. My GRANDMOTHER worked during the Depression. But to assume that because so many women work now is because our standard of living has gone down is BS.

By ALL means, have OWS protest the salaries of the CEOs et al who make that much money when their COMPANY isn't. But be prepared to make the SAME argument on pro sports athletes, and movie stars. And book authors, and television personalities like Oprah. Otherwise, you have to recognize that if that CEO is making his company successful, he is ALSO making every person who owns stock in that company successful. NO MATTER how small an owner that is. And that is what is paying for the retirement pensions of most of the people in this country who saved and scrimped, or stayed with one company long enough to vest, have.

squidword--sorry, but the OWS's don't want a 'level' playing field. The want things HANDED to them. NO governent agency paid for MY college, or my children's. WE did. In some cases, by saving up in advance, in other by earning scholarships, and in the case of my daughter, by borrowing AND PAYING BACK.

And while you claim the 'standard of living' has gone steadily down since the 50's, I DISAGREE. My parents saved for TWO years to buy a TV, just one, and tiny at that. I now have THREE in my house, two of which never get turned on. I have a microwave (actually two--'inheritted' after my daughter got out of college 11 years ago, along with her 'dorm sized fridge, and occasionally that comes in really handy!) one fridge, one deep freeze, a paid for car that cost nearly as much as my first house and more clothes than I can EVER wear. I have a cell phone, and computer, and cable TV. SO do most of the people I KNOW. That is because COSTS of those things have gone down dramatically, and more people can afford them.

As for needing two incomes? I was in the work force in the late 70's, and we CHOSE for me to stay home with the kids, while my best friend CHOSE to go back to work. Guess what? By the time she bought work clothes, child care, gas, and food 'out', they were no better off than if SHE'd stayed home too. Women, like it or not, now can CHOOSE to work just because they don't WANT to stay home. Or because they like all the extras they can buy.

Thankfully, the reason that phenomena came about was not so much NEED for money, but the PILL. Pre-dependable birth control, women had trouble getting HIRED since the company had no guarantee they wouldn't need to take 6 weeks off every year to have a baby.

YES, some women work and did work because they needed to. My GRANDMOTHER worked during the Depression. But to assume that because so many women work now is because our standard of living has gone down is BS.

By ALL means, have OWS protest the salaries of the CEOs et al who make that much money when their COMPANY isn't. But be prepared to make the SAME argument on pro sports athletes, and movie stars. And book authors, and television personalities like Oprah. Otherwise, you have to recognize that if that CEO is making his company successful, he is ALSO making every person who owns stock in that company successful. NO MATTER how small an owner that is. And that is what is paying for the retirement pensions of most of the people in this country who saved and scrimped, or stayed with one company long enough to vest, have.

The question should not be what banks requested and received a bailout.

The question should be who gave it to them!! Occupy DC!

MOmaid, you know who the biggest welfare recipients are? THE BANKS. They got a handout. Occupy doesn't want a handout, we want gov to do it's job and be on our side, not just the 1%'s.

Hey Sally, bye sally. First time ever using my ignore function, and on an admin too. Thanks for the 1 day ban btw, helped me think on how brainwashed conservatives are and I stick by what I said. Your banishment has taught me absolutely nothing.

Well the tea-party is a growing movement too - growing SMALLER!

Absolute fact the true tea party is waking up to the fact that the people they supported are not their friends come join the 99%.

Joe--sorry, but NOT ONCE have I heard a wall-street protester using health care as a reason for their protests. That was the TEA Party.

The police have still not ID'd the dead man, so that tells me one of two things: he was homeless and delusional enough to have quit carrying any form of ID, or he was robbed blind by one of his 'noble' fellow protesters.

OR Both.

MOmaid - get a clue. You ever moved long distance? It costs a thousand dollars or more when you add in truck rental, gas, lodging along the way, deposits on an apartment, utility hook ups/activation.....

The books at college are chosen by the administrators, not the teachers. They have book fairs and the department heads and upper college staff go to these fairs and LOBBYISTS give them a kick back if they made a large order. The teachers hate the books they are FORCED to teach from......

You obviously have a UNION issue that has nothing to do with your argument - most likely your church members and right wing associates have planted much bad information in your head and you can't rationalize on your own now. People like MOmaid never offer up what they do for a living - which make me very suspect of them. Take Oklahoma for example; we think of that State as had working go getter's - guess who is the largest employer in that State - the Government.

Drainbramage--no where did I say you had to move long distance (and yes, I have.) And since I have one kid who is an ex teacher, who went back and got an MBA, And two others who attended college, I think I can speak to the fact that the texts are CHOSEN by the administration in order for the COLLEGE to make more money off of selling them. NOT because there is any meaningful improvement in them. There is an old adage in colleges--publish or perish. The School gets a percentage off of every text sold, and therefore has a VESTED interest in changing texts every other year or so, so that kids HAVE to buy the book new. And PLEASE don't try to tell me that ALGEBRA changes that much every other year. Or SPANISH I.

I DO have an issue with what unions have evolved into. My home town has struggled for YEARS to try to overcome the damage the RAILROAD union did to it. My best friend, a 23 year old teacher who had not even been hired yet (but had to go fill in her paperwork) got physically THREATENED by union strikers. Friends have had property damaged by union strikers. I give FULL Kudos to labor unions for the good they have done in improving working conditions and safety. That does NOT mean I have to swallow the BAD they have also done.

My father had a mutual respect for the union ULGWU) in the Levi (under contract to Levi Strauss but privately owned. They made Levis better and cheaper than Levi Strauss did!) factory he managed for 45 years. He was fair, and they were fair. But the OWNER of that factory made it clear that HE TOO had a right to make a profit, and if he couldn't, he would shut the place down. He opened his books to ANY auditor the union chose to hire, EVERY year. The difference was, when they had a BAD year, wages never went down, but in a good year, he paid bonuses to everyone. (and PS--the union REALLY didn't like that, because THEY didn't get credit for it.) Sadly, in the end, tho, the LEVI STRAUSS company's union workers eventually priced Levi out of business, and now they are no longer even MADE in the US, much less by Levi Strauss.

Mo if the Wall Street investors are the experts and you pay them to invest your money for retirement, why do you feel it is okay for them to lose 90% of your retirement value while increasing their porfolio value 900%? If they could get those kind of gains aren't they obligated to get them for their clients too or are their clients just sub-strandard peons to you? Perhaps if you get your brakes fixed on your car and they fail and your family gets injured you will say, "Its my fault, I should have taken it to a better garage". I just bet you would say that, wouldn't you?

Squidword--first, I don't PAY wall street investers to invest my money for my retirement. I did it my self. and BECAUSE I don't have that much, I am VERY careful what I invest in. Let me give you an example--I own stock in CA Water. It is a steady, 'safe' stock. It has grown slowly, and paid steady, slowly increasing dividends. People in CA are ALWAYS going to need water. However, IF someone comes up with a cheap way to take the salt out of sea water, it won't be so valuable. I'm RISKING that that won't happen in the near future, but not risking much. But I do NOT put all my money in CA Water. That's called diversifying. Now, IF I chose to invest in a high risk stock (as, say, many did in Enron, the risks would be higher (woops!) but so were the dividends. I chose NOT to do that, because I cannot AFFORD to lose my money. So my 'return' is less, but is also safer. The same is true of the big CEOs. IF their company doesn't gain, they can be replaced. High risk, high gain. (and, BTW--I ALWAYS vote my proxies, and vote them AGAINST uncontrolled payment of execs, particularly in reference to stock options.)

And as to your infantile remark on my car brakes, IF I had them fixed at a disreputable place that used inferior products and poorly trained 'mechanics', then YES, I might blame myself. Sometimes you DO get what you pay for, you know.

You don't own any stock, do you?

Jeff dus - a kid moving and a family moving are totally different - you are the one full of bs! So you would just leave all your furniture, your other car, all your kitchen utensils and garage tools when you move? I was 45 when I relocated with my wife....get a clue.

Momaid - I was in Community College up until 2 years ago and my son is in his 4th year of Medical school at the number one rated school in the nation - I know the system too. Very few teachers or staff write the books they teach from...and my algebrateacher is the one who told me how books were chosen - he said he could write a much better book, but it would never get published due to the Lobbyists - not because of the school he taught at or some Union. It wasn't just Union jobs that went overseas - so you should be just as mad at non Union businesses, where is that outrage? You can't say one is corrupt and not the other. And you still didn't say what you work for - I'll bet it has baggage too.

So your saying we should be "At the whim and will of our employers"?

Willie--absolutely NOT. And there are and have been MANY effective ways to have dialogue with employers. Where I come a cropper is with the notion that the boss is the bad guy, ALWAYS. And that the worker is the good guy, ALWAYS. The boss can't make money without the workers, but the WORKERS also cannot make money without the boss's company.

willie, many of us are.

Handouts? HAHA. You know nothing about the movement so dont speak about it.

Obviously you've never had a student loan. Which speaks volumes about your abject stupidity.

Who really got a handout and abused it? Lazy hardly it takes a lot of energy to stand up to corruption. I say let's find out who isn't contributing like Pinnacol Assurance who in 2009 made 3.5 billion dollars in the state of Colorado and didn't pay a single dime in state income tax and they blatenly told the Gov. that they weren't going to pay and there's nothing you can do about. This is the kind of arrogance that has upset the people.

Seems to me you can't hear or read clearly.

Awww Mike, Is that all you got sweetie? I hear and read very well thank you. How about you? Or do you just blindly follow what others (ows) say to be true?

So you don't believe Wall street did anything wrong, you believe all mortgages were only for our benefit,and all laws passed help us if you do, keep thinking that, I am very sorry for you.

Save your breath Arna, the libtards don't want to be bothered with the truth.

Probably because, by comparison, Tea-bagger swinger fests were largely unattended.

Apparently you never heard of Sara Palin.

Or Newt or Cain ect ect

The occupy people don't what to monitor your wife or girlfriend Uterus,torture people, condemn any one not a real christian, let the poor starve, boo veterans, repeal child labor laws,It seams the real "mansons" are "people" like you

flashback moment.there bob.take it easy.

you must be one of those very blissful people...ignorance is bliss after all...

One dead out of 3 million in three months. Their mortality rates are far lower than average. They must be a very healthy lot. Go OWS!

Jeff #18.3

I wish you had told us what state you live in. Then I could make sure I never go there. I think you may need some rage counsiling.

Squidword

So ONE death in 3 million(where did you get that number) is OK? How about 2 in 3 Million? or 3 in 3 Million? Isn't ONE to many??? Seems to me that there have been 3 or more Deaths associated with the OWS movement.

1 in Oakland Ca.,1 in Burlington Vt. and 1 in Denton Tx. not sure if there have been others.

Now lets list the number of Deaths associated with the TEA Party Rallies.

ZERO.

Now who are the PEACEFUL PROTESTERS???

When an old tea party person dies it from frustration over being ignored now by their friendly pols.Or just old age,so nobody notices it.

Wille if that was true every protester would be protesting in Washington D.C (where the true problem lies).,,so your comment is laughable at best. The Tea Party,did not have any people arrested for violating laws or city ordinance, no murders or deaths nor were police injured during their events, so much for the comparison.

Divide and conquer

. . .and that's exactly what Big Biz, Big Media and Big Gov want . . . to divide and conquer. As long as Americans are infighting, they cannot come any consensus as to the greater needs and greater threats to our society. It would be quite comical if it weren't so tragic. So, we'll all sit back and watch an empire burn, while arguing over who or what lit the first match and who or what should be responsible for the devastation. We won't band together to put out the fire as a result.

willie

The root of the problem is in Washington D.C. Why don't you Occupy a Voting Booth and make a Political Change. That is what the TEA Party has done. And they have been accused of putting the whole World into Economic Chaos and making the US lose it's credit rating,all in 10 or 11 months time. NOW THAT IS POWER!!!

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Tea Party is a party of obstructionists and they care nothing about the issues plaguing our unemployed, homeless, hungry and disenfranchised citizens. They care about their pet issues, and that's about it. For that reason alone, I can't support them or one of their candidates. They get nothing done, and they do nothing quite well. Not a very good bi-line on a resume, if you ask me.