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Jack Kurtz / AP file
Presiding Disciplinary Judge William O'Neil, right, swears in Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio during the State Bar of Arizona's ongoing disciplinary hearings against former Maricopa County attorney Andrew Thomas and two assistants, at the Arizona Supreme Court in Phoenix on Oct. 18.
EL MIRAGE, Ariz. -- The 13-year-old girl opened the door of her home in this small city on the edge of Phoenix to encounter a man who said that his car had broken down and he needed to use the phone. Once inside, the man pummeled the teen from behind, knocking her unconscious and sexually assaulting her.
Seven months before, in an apartment two miles away, another 13-year-old girl was fondled in the middle of the night by her mother's live-in boyfriend. She woke up in her room at least twice a week to find him standing over her, claiming to be looking for her mother's cell phone.
Both cases were among more than 400 sex-crimes reported to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office during a three-year period ending in 2007 — including dozens of alleged child molestations — that were inadequately investigated and in some instances were not worked at all, according to current and former police officers familiar with the cases.
In El Mirage alone, where Arpaio's office was providing contract police services, officials discovered at least 32 reported child molestations — with victims as young as 2 years old — where the sheriff's office failed to follow through, even though suspects were known in all but six cases.
Many of the victims, said a retired El Mirage police official who reviewed the files, were children of illegal immigrants.
The botched sex-crimes investigations have served as an embarrassment to a department whose sheriff is the self-described "America's Toughest Sheriff" and a national hero to conservatives on the immigration issue.
Arpaio's office refused several requests over a period of months to answer questions about the investigations and declined a public records request for an internal affairs report, citing potential disciplinary actions.
Brian Sands, a top sheriff's official who is in charge of the potential discipline of any responsible employees, was later made available to talk about the cases. He declined to say why they weren't investigated. "There are policy violations that have occurred here," Sands said. "It's obvious, but I can't comment on who or what."
Sands said officers had subsequently moved to clear up inadequately investigated sex-crimes in El Mirage and elsewhere in the county. He said leads were worked if they existed and cases were closed if there was no further evidence to pursue.
Arpaio's office was under contract to provide police services in El Mirage as the city struggled with its then dysfunctional department. After the contract ended and El Mirage was re-establishing its own police operation, the city spent a year sifting through layers of disturbingly incomplete casework.
El Mirage Detective Jerry Laird, who reviewed some the investigations, learned from a sheriff's summary of 50 to 75 cases files he picked up from Arpaio's office that an overwhelming majority of them hadn't been worked.
That meant there were no follow-up reports, no collection of additional forensic evidence and zero effort made after the initial report of the crime was taken.
"I think that at some point prior to the contract (for police services) running out, they put their feet on the desk, and that was that," Laird said.
Arpaio acknowledged his office had completed an internal probe into the inadequate investigations, but said, "I don't think it's right to get into it until we get to the bottom of this and see if there's disciplinary action against any employees."
A small number of cases from El Mirage were handed over to prosecutors, but the El Mirage Police Department said most were no longer viable — evidence dating as far back as 2006 had grown cold or wasn't collected in the first place, victims had either moved away or otherwise moved on.
Bill Louis, then-assistant El Mirage police chief who reviewed the files after the sheriff's contract ended, believes the decision to ignore the cases was made deliberately by supervisors in Arpaio's office — and not by individual investigators.
"I know the investigators. I just cannot believe they would wholesale discount these cases. No way," Louis said. "The direction had to come (from) up the food chain."
Louis said he believes whoever made the decision knew that illegal immigrants — who are often transient and fear the police — were unlikely to complain about the quality of investigations. He said some cases also involved families here legally.
El Mirage paid the sheriff's office $2.7 million for a wide range of police protection from 2005 through mid-October 2007, after the city's police department had been criticized in an audit as poorly organized, loosely supervised and mismanaged.
Although a small number of El Mirage officers continued working there during the period, Arpaio brought in patrol officers and detectives and managers who ran the department.
El Mirage police files obtained by The Associated Press through public records requests establish a pattern of sex-crimes not actually being investigated after the crimes were reported to Arpaio's office.
In April 2007, a 3-year-old girl was reported molested by her father, an illegal immigrant who cared for the child while her mother was at work. When the mother confronted her husband about the abuse, he cried and swore he'd never do it again.
Yet a few days later, the mother noticed more signs of sexual abuse on her daughter and called for help. After the initial report, that help didn't come.
The string of unresolved cases left Elizabeth Ditlevson, deputy director for the Arizona Coalition Against Domestic Violence, shaking her head. "My impressions were anger at the system and concern for the people whose cases weren't addressed," she said.
According to both Sands and Scott Freeman, a sheriff's official who heard complaints from then-El Mirage Police Chief Mike Frazier about the quality of the sex-crimes investigations, more than 400 cases countywide had to be reopened. Freeman told outside investigators examining alleged managerial misconduct at Arpaio's office that a number of arrests were made in the reopened cases.
The April 2011 report on alleged managerial misconduct said the sheriff's internal effort to determine what had gone wrong with the sex-crimes investigations was twice derailed.
One delay occurred when the male sheriff's official leading the inquiry was accused of sexual harassment — this by a female supervisor whose portfolio included some of the mishandled cases, according to the report.
Another internal affairs investigation, launched in May 2008, was stopped after the investigator was pulled away at the direction of David Hendershott, then the top aide to Arpaio, to help with another matter. The internal probe was reopened in December 2010 while Hendershott was on medical leave, according to the 2011 summary.
Hendershott's account conflicted with others.
Hendershott, who has since resigned amid separate misconduct allegations and declined a request by the AP to comment, told investigators the internal affairs inquiry was still in progress when he went on medical leave in 2010.
Still, Hendershott told investigators that the El Mirage Police Department had good reason to be upset about the sex-crimes handled by the sheriff's office.
The report of the 13-year-old who had been inappropriately touched by her mother's live-in boyfriend had been faxed to one of Arpaio's investigators. El Mirage police, who were given back the case about 11 months later, learned that it hadn't been worked.
When El Mirage police finally tracked down the mother, she said her boyfriend had moved out and that she no longer had contact with him. She and her daughter were in counseling and didn't want to bring the case to court.
In their follow-up on the case of the 13-year-old attacked by the man claiming to have a broken car, El Mirage police discovered Arpaio's office hadn't interviewed the victim.
An El Mirage detective went to the girl's home just off the city's main drag. The girl's uncle said she and her mother weren't around and took the investigator's card with a promise to ask them to call.
The mother never called back. She and her daughter's whereabouts are unknown.
The case of the molested 3-year-old was returned to El Mirage police unworked five months after the initial report. The family's beige tract home was deserted, the phone disconnected.
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Way to go Joe! If you didn't spend so much time acting out your sick, racist fantasies on every dark skinned person you come across, maybe you would have the time to prosecute REAL criminals committing REAL crimes. Joe, you are a vile, disgusting, sad excuse for a human being and your misdeeds will catch up with you one day. Hopefully, they will put you in the same outdoor, inhumane torture centers you put your enemies. You are a disgrace and an embarrassment to every Constitution abiding US citizen. Actually, you are a disgrace to humanity in general.
Sheriff Nazi not wanting to investigate REAL crime?
I'm shocked I tell you. Just SHOCKED !!
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There is a former sheriff in Colorado sitting in a jail named for him right now. It would be nice if Joe would end up in apink jumpsuit in a tent in 117 degree Phoenix sun.
Joe should have been voted out a long time; however, I wonder how many advocates for the illegals would have been pissing and maoning and claiming that Joe was just on a bigger vendetta against the illegals in his County.
Not making any excuses for poor police work but another problem would be the illegals moving from place to place as even shown in the article.
Problem is, some illegals think their culture allows them to do this, in that a 13 year old girl in Mexico and other Central and South American Countries, is well within the marrying age.
I wonder when MSNBC or any of it's sorry excuses for reporters will do an investigation of rape kits not processed in Los Angeles, New York, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, or any other large city acroos the nation. This is not news and I would bet that any of those other cities have twice or three times as many cases during the same time period.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio's tough stance on illegal immigration has created many of his critics and even enemy. They want to see Joe ride-off into the sunset. It's apparent certain groups have been organized to destroy Joe using the 'Bucks Stop There' attacks.
Wasting no time waging the media Blizkrieg(sic) against Arpaio, these groups are deploying the heavy artillery very earlier in their campaign to lay waste the Sheriff's distinguish service: allegation of blotched investigation of sex crimes against children.
As every decent American is against sex crimes against children, the mission of these allegations is to arouse the passion and emotion of the masses as part of the pincher movement that they hope would squeeze Arpaio from the Sheriff Department. Their strategy will fail.
The more these groups pressure Arpaio to retreat, the more supporters of Arpaio will come to his defense.
Joe Arpaio is way too busy holding press conferences, selecting pink outfits for prisoners and acting tough to be bothered by crimes against children. He needs to be locked up and fed his own bologna sandwich diet for awhile.
Michael: You know you'll never see a story on those cases - for obvious reasons.
The final paragraphs of this story are probably all the explanation required as to why these cases weren't pursued. Why investigate cases which will not be pursued by the victims or witnesses? Yes, the State can bring charges and even take cases to court - but without witness cooperation, it's a complete waste of time.
I'd also bet not a single commenter on here will mention the fact (mentioned in this story) that the investigation into this situation was derailed by a presumably false claim of sexual harassment by a female detective in an apparent effort to deflect blame from herself. . .
Hypocrisy is alive and well.
I take it then that you can not realize in your hate filled brain that everytime the sheriff's task force raids an illegal drop house they are rescuing dozens of people who are being held against their will and britalized and raped or pimped out for more cash by the smugglers????? Many of the 911 or help calls came from the illegals to the sheriff because of wht is happening to them........but instead of coming to help these people being detained the sheriff is simply racist huh??????
You do also have enough education I hope to fathom that a Sheriff (anywhere) does not invent or make laws, they simply enforce the laws that the state legislature passes, and that failure to enforce those laws is a violation of the state constitution and post rules for law enforcement????
Michael Lockwood - The question is, would they be able to see such a clear pattern of illegal immigrants' cases being the neglected cases? Not as likely
Michael Lockwood,
You generalize an awful lot about latino culture, especially Mexican and central American. In my trips to Mexico, I saw no child brides. In fact, I saw no difference between their sexual culture and that in most parts of the US. And here, the thought that a 13yo is "ripe" seems to be reserved for criminals and religuous extremist criminals. Same attitude in Mexico.
Come on people,
Do you really think if these illegals are molesting their own children, they won't molest U.S. children as well?
Really, these people need to be prosecuted to the full extent and put in jail with U.S. criminals and let the chips fall where they may.
Because if they want to come to America with this kind of sick, criminal behavior they should have to suffer U.S. Justice
I'm sick of it.
Why was I not surprised by this?
I don't know what the sherrif knew, but it would appear that the department was criminally complicient(sp) in the abuse of children (whether illegally in the country or not). Someone should take the fall and in most cases the buck stop is at the top. Sorry sherrif!
Illegal immigrants should no rights in the usa......... ZERO
Regardless of whose children they were, the crime must be investigated. If others in the department knew about the cases and did nothing either, they were indeed complicit, just like in the Sandusky case. Apparently, a number of other people were aware what the guy was up, yet nobody did anything to stop him. People who sexually assault children, must be stopped, otherwise no child is safe.
sheriff joe is such a evil man and its not right just cuz hes a sheriff in arizona that hes allowed to get away with this stuff. hes a sick man. what he does to the prisoners makes them wear pink underwear and how he jails hispanic ppl for no reason. and does nothing about these sick rapist, the nazis and racist who do hate crimes and real criminals. im not hispanic but i would never live in maricopa county where criminals rule it. i dont understand why does the goverment or FBI or someone ever do something about this guy. this stuff cant be legal. it just cant.
and reading the right wingers comments on here is sick. its ok to rape illegal childern???? they are kids!!!! you ppl are no better then sandusky. sick. im glad senator pearce is gone, i bet shierff joe rapes illegal immigrants kids all the time. actully wasnt there a report of senator pearce a couple years ago abusing some little girl who was hispanic??? also it says one of them was 2 years old! your hatred of kids, animals and defenceless ppl is why the most tea party are known as nazis. you forget you were once babies too.
So let me get this straight ..... if children of illegal imigrants are being sexually abused by someone, who say may be US citizen, that should not be investigated because they are children of illegal immigrants. I'm not sure that makes any sense at all.....but it is Ariz so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
This Sheriff is just another dinosaur racist good ole boy that the whole world needs fewer of.
If they are illegal then by all means send they back (we have the same problem here with boat loads coming from Indonesia almost daily and I am for sending them straight back to from whence they came) but that does not mean they do not have basic human rights. So let's say you daughter overstays her visa in Europe does that make her automatic fodder for the sex abusers there....some times you have to apply these crazy racist, neo-con, bigoted feelings you have to say your own family and then see what you think.
Jeff dus.... did you loose your MacDonalds Asst Mgr position to an immigrant or something.....maybe some anger management or valium might help.
If the children have illegal parents, they won't testify!
So don't investigate or take action until the abuser hits on a US Citizen.....do you think they check their immigration status before abusing them?
How did this discussion become a debate about illegal immigration? It is quite clearly stated in the article that:
Not all, not even most. This investigation includes victims that are American citizens too--likely most of them.
Arpiaio is in trouble. He's being investigated for misappropriation of funds (millions of dollars) too. He is also at the center of the Thomas prosecutorial misconduct case. And now this.
His excuse in all of these is that it was the fault of his subordinates, and that he was not aware of their actions. If tis is true, he must be the most incompetant man to ever where the badge, and had he been a supervisor at WalMart, would have been fired long ago.
I don't condone police sluffing off on their duties, but I would like to hear the other side of the story before I comment on Sheriff Arpaio. The thing that I wonder about is the fact that Sheriff Arpaio just endorsed one of the Republican Presidential candidates and I'm wondering if the timing of this article had anything to do with that. Yellow journalism is alive and well in our American media and I just wonder if this was put out to undermine any political power the Sheriff might have. Just wondering.
Long live sheriff Joe!
Many or most or even all of those children that were raped and /or sexually molested were or are American citizens. The only way they would not be is if they were brought into this country illegally which by the age of some of the victims suggests that they were born here.
It is understandable that some of these folks cannot be found or are not that willing to come forward now as they no longer trust the police, especially with the new law in place and the fact that they did not get any help when they first reported the case.
The level of evil mascarading as good by some in this country is getting worse and seem to be spreading infecting others even as we speak. And the fact that this sort of dispicable behaviour by those who have taken an oath to protect and serve all the public, is tolerated, condoned, excused or made/make excuses for etc, and even encouraged because of the victim's/a person's race, colour, creed, beliefs, religeon, lower level of income etc or because- it would appear in these cases - that the parents of the victims may be here or is perceived to be here illegally is beyond heinous and immoral imo.
What did the 3 y/o child do to anyone ...except being born to a mother who was 'probably' here illegally or of a different colour/race etc? Why should this 3 year old child not be given the help that the mother sought? If the mother was here illegally, wouldn't she have taken a great risk to report the crime.... and yet it is apparent that she did report it because she wanted to protect her child, yet nothing was done to help her or her daughter....
These heartless folks had better realize this..... what goes round come around... you know Karma.
And those of you who condone this sort of behaviour should also realize that... what goes round comes around for you too....
One other thing is that when you harm others -especially children, the aged, the sick, the destitute, the disabled etc- out of spite etc, whatever you do will come back to you and even unto others in your own family and for the generations to come as you are bringing a curse upon yourself.
So keep on being uncaring, nasty, spiteful, mean, selfish, hateful etc...you are only sowing these seeds that will grow and mature to produce whatever fruit from the seeds you have sown .... which you will harvest in your own life and the lives of those around you.
What is truly amazing is that so many people in this country supposedly view themselves as 'christians'....... LOL
Nuance, nuance, nuance...
To all the conservatives defending Joe; if your daughter or grand daughter who is here legally, gets swept under the rug along with the illegals - you won't mind one bit....right????? So a few suffer as long as many illegals suffer - is that what you are defending?
Don't expect your rights to be defended when you won't fund the defenders.
No wonder Joe had a balanced budget...lmao.
Sheriff Joe is a big dumb poop.
Comment # 1 restored for clarity.
Jeff dus, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Bill Marvell
Thats a load of BS or you just went down south with your eyes closed. Do a little research and you will find the average age to legally marry is around 12. As a matter of fact MSNBC just had a story about a little girl down there that just popped out her first kid at the ripe age of about 10.
Lil
You are right but the reason their are two reasons that they would not be able to differentiate between illegals and legals rape cases.
1. Sheer volume and the fact that most police forces do not follow up on rape kit tests because there are not enough testing facilities available.
2. California for the most part is a sanctuary state just like New York, Illinois, many parts of Texas..... yea your right they won't be able to tell also because the lib media will not go there to investigate.
Why doesn't Brian Williams or fat head Ed Schultz go do an investigative report on that. Ed, needs the publicity since he was voted one of the least influential people on the planet!!!!!
Oh well, at least the rereg Jeff dus has a short time out. More timefor him to get those bags packed for Costa Rico! I have the feeling he will rereg while suspended, again.....in 3..2..1.....
Jeff dus, OOPS! There doesn't seem to be a page here anymore!
When Sheriff Joe retires, I'd like to see him front a Led Zeppelin cover band, wearing a Vegas Elvis outfit, singing "The Immigrant Song"
Wait... there is ALREADY a cover band that does this song
AHHHH! The only part of the Phoenix Valley I miss is The Noodles and Xtra Ticket cover bands.
What's that saying about where the buck stops?
I hate these stupid f*cks in AZ.
Living here, I can agree with you. Too many guns and dumb a*sses who love them.
Whiney,cry-baby, illegal alien loving liberals. Sheriff Joe, giv'em hell!
Ole Joe is supporting Perry for Pres...kind of strange seeing Perry is soft on immigration.
Amazing how the crimial apologist libtards suddenly act like they want to be tough on crime now that Arpaio is in the news. And for all the idiots who say that he's racist, I've seen plenty of white people in his jails as well. Sure there are a lot of Mexicans as well. But what do you expect in a community so close to a border that our federal government isn't doing nearly enough to seal off from illegal immigration?
Hmmmmmm,
I wonder how many of these assaults are caused by the illegal aliens that shouldn't be here to begin with?
Of course the AP or all the other pathetic Lamestream media will never investigate THAT. We wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings would we?
Get rid of the trash these trespassers and criminals bring into our country so our law enforcement agencies can do their job, not the Federal governments.
Oh look, here's one!
Awwwww, of course we can't get mad at daddy can we? He cried. Poor baby. He's just here to make a better life for his family by ABUSING HIS OWN CHILD!!!!!!!!!!
Before any of you bleeding heart, limp-wristed Libbies start with your self-aggrandizing postureing about being the "caring" members of society, show me the statistics of who most of these rapes, assaults and other criminality are by in Maricopa. I think you may be surprised.
Until then GO SHERIFF JOE! We real Americans are behind you 100%.
Great Job, Sheriff Joe. Too busy trying to bust a Latino that looking for a job picking fruit to handle pedophiles?
Wait, so there's 10,000 people in the county and they had over 400 sex assault cases in two years?
Give me a break, what it comes down to is you liberals do not want our immigration laws to be enforced.
What he is saying is that we can't talk about it until we come up with a story that says that it was really the victims own fault (and sounds believable without too many people laughing us off the $$jobs we have).
elyhim: There are over 3,000,000 people in the county. Where did you come up with such a ignorant population count for a county that includes the metropolitan Phoenix area, the fifth largest metro in the country?
KiloByte: Seems you right wing ding bats don't want it enforced either. That is why the righties keep hiring them.
Its sad we pay so much money for competent cops and instead we get a yahoo like this who seeks notoriety instead.
Pay back for him will eventually be a bitch.
A day we can all smile about.
For all you cretins who are complaining about this supposed inaction… shut up. You are being duped by a red herring article. Just because you read something in a paper that doesn’t mean it is valid. In fact if it was in the Republic it was likely made up. This is just to divert your attention from the real crap that goes on every day in El Mirage.
Arpaio is a target because he has been a steadfast defender of the LAW. Not now and then, not when it suits him BUT ALL THE TIME.
Anyone can see the lefties, the liberals, the commucrats at work here. They cannot attack the result. Nor the action, so they attack the man, his results and they overlook (intentionally) the results which are provided.
The citizens of Maricopa County are blessed to have Joe as the Sheriff.
So to all you libs and agitators shut up, sit down and if you don't like what is happening LEAVE.
Kilo: Do you have to clump people together that way? Do you think the people of Mexico would still come if corporations didn't hire them? President Obama deported more Latinos in 2 years that former President Bush did in 8 years. Newt, Perry, & Romney like folks to be here without documentation. Me? I say--if a company hires someone that is in this country illegally, they have to pay for any crime, any medical bills, etc that that person incurs. Liberalism has nothing to do with opening your borders to anyone.
For the record--I'm proud to be a Liberal. I served in the USN during the Nam Era, My brother served in Nam, my father was a WWII Submariner, and my son is a USN Officer. You guys think you have something going on with the patriotism gig. Well--you don't.
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”
George Washington
All that was well off topic, but this isn't the Sheriff is a joke and a p**ck for his mishandling of this case.
Long live Sheriff Joe!
When a sheriff decides to focus ALL his attention on PERSONALLY NOTORIETY and the complete HATRED of illegal immigrants it is no wonder REGULAR POLICE WORK IS NOT WORTHY OF THEIR ATTENTION. "Conservative" just another word for SELFISH CHRISTIANS. The only problem is Christians ARE NOT SELFISH AND CHOSE TO HELP SOLVE PROBLEMS, NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THEM. Jesus is listening and is taking names!
...guess that explains it all, doesn't it Joe?
NativeArizonian, if by fifth, you mean twelfth...
Philadelphia is 5th.
Talk about ignorant.
Vieteravet, Are you realy that stupid? Woul you like this to happen to your sister, daughter, mother? I your DAD the Devil himself for you to think this way? Or is your brain fried from all the drugs you are taking? You are truly one piece of $h1 T!
Maybe he was doing it on purpose to cover up some of his crimes. We should make this nimrod pay back all the salaries he made on each and every botched cased he created.
This man needs to be fired, lose his pension plan for failing to do his job he was hired to do.
I feel sorry for all the victims that were victimized by this incompetent mans work and work ethics.
Is there a point to this article?
#2.3 - Sun Dec 4, 2011 8:36 PM EST
that was an intelligent statement ..... if there are too many guns , and the dumba*sses who love them , it seems you would want one to at least have a little bit of a chance , or are you one of the left leaning liberal "smart" people .... who think the police are always going to be right there when they need them ?
I would have phrased your statement differently .... too many dumba*ssed liberals who believe everything the media tells them . while the cops that are supposed to protect you , are spraying peaceful protesters with pepper spray .
Crossrutted obviously you believe every thing you hear on Fox "The Honest New Station", the one that hacks into people's private phones. The problem with your sheriff is he believes too much of his own publicity. He goes around preaching about how good he is, he can't take care of business. And it really shows how smart he is he backs some one who gives illegals a free education.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
I see the pathetic little brained illiterates are collapsing the intelligent posts, as usual.
It's a shame you can't read or comprehend so you have to resort to collapsing posts.
You must be a graduate of our pathetic public education system.
But he's done such an Excellent job locking up all the NON_VIOLENT drug offenders out there smoking doobies and hurting themselves which gets rewarded by the Federal govt. in more DEA money.
How on earth can he possibly find time to go around investigating Child Molesters and true criminals?
Freedom; I live in Arizona - no doubt Sheriff Joe and his hench men are doing the collapsing - they try to censor everything in this State. Arizona is what the USA would look like if conservatives ran the country for 50 years - cut everything and spend all your time on local and national TV promoting your self. It isn't just Joe's posse, it is all Sheriffs departments in Arizona and it isn't just sex crimes that don't get investigated. Thankfully the city police take their jobs more seriously.
Conservatives are the ones who won't fund government jobs, always crying about taxes. Wake up conservatives - you can't have it both ways.
The Phoenix New Times has hundreds of articles on Joe - and they keep electing him. Do a search of The New Times - sheriff media boy has done everything but blow up their building.
Joe will look good in Tent City in his pink undies eating nothing but green bologna sandwiches. He won't last two days on one of his chain gangs.
drainbramage
Liberals are the ones who won't allow the federal government to perform its Constitutionally mandated responsibilities like protecting our borders and enforcing our current laws, always crying about the rights of criminal illegal aliens.
Wake up Libbies - you can't have it both ways.
But then again, your boy-toy Obama will need all the help he can get in 2012, won't he?
BTW, you DO realize federal employee's average compensation is $123,049 ($81,258 salary, $41,791 benefits) per year. The average private sectors compensation is $61,051 ($50,462, $10,589 benefits) per year. Do you feel good that it takes TWO private sector wage earners to support ONE civil servant?
I sure as hell don't. Especially since our government is near insolvency. If private sector employees need to tae layoffs and wage reductions so do the Federal employees. Remember, our government produces NO revenue for us whatsoever, it's all overhead on our shoulders. Besides, government is supposed to work for us, not vice versa.
They do work for We The People, right?
Freedom; please post your claims sources. My wife works for CPS which is a Federal law run at the State level - she makes $10 an hour and has been there 6 years with another 10 years in another State.
You can't shore up the boarders if you don't fund the man/woman power - that requires increased taxes - cuts alone won't cover the cost it will require to stop immigration.
Tell us what you would cut - and why should the Federal government enforce Jan Brewers lame propositions? Arizona never funds anything, they always are first in line asking the Feds to fund them. Here in Tucson the only work being done on the local city roads is being funded by the stimulus - our roads have more craters than the moon thanks to no inspectors or regulations on how thick the asphalt should be and what kind of prep work is required to make a good road the first time.
Shouldn't contractors working for the State work for we the people also?
drainbramage
Good God, don't you people know how to research anything? Why do we always have to provide "LINKS"?
Look it up. It only takes a few minutes.
usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm (copy and paste in your browser)
Yes, as long as they aren't no-bid contracts from the unions. One on one the private sector will do a better job for less.
Some of these posters, like FreedomRL, don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. They are simply 'parrots,' not Patriots. As a 'real' Republican, I am disgusted with their moronic views and full blown obstructionism to everything not within their narrow-minded viewpoint. This article is about the failure of another moron, who has failed to properly serve all those within his jurisdiction. That includes everyone to whom a crime has been committed, regardless of their legal status. This growing attitude, by some police officers, of "Us against Them," is not the proper attitude of genuine "Peace Officers" and contributes toward making that phrase a self-fulfilling prophecy. Absolutely not what we need unless we are interested in becoming another undemocratic police state, as it appears that some would seem to prefer.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm
Freedom - I suggest you real ALL the comments below that article. And stop hi-jacking threads just because you got a beef about something out side the article. I also found many articles that don't come close to the exaggerations made by the USA Today article - now you go do your research - I did mine...lol.
I worked for a Public Utility Water and Sewer district - Union crews are never the lowest bid and not once did we ever take anything but the lowest bid. But we did inspect every step of their progress (that was in Washington State where they have strict regulations and their roads last).
Joe is all about Joe and looking good to his supporters, he could care less about laws and public service.
Ok. I live in AZ not in Maricopa COunty because of this POS. He is a scumbag who has too much POWER and is taking advantage of it. He has been investigated so many times and he hides all the evidence. He is a POS and he does not care about the people just himself.
gringovejo
That's your first problem. You seem to have me confused with someone who gives a rats a$$ about you Republicans/RINO's/GOPer's or Democrats/Liberals/Progressives. None of your parties have existed for decades. At least what they were intended to be.
I'm a Reagan Conservative, Constitutional Originalist and a Fiscal Libertarian. As such I respect our Federal Constitutional Republic NOT A DEMOCRACY. We have a Representative Democracy which simply means we have periodic elections. This is your demise. You don't know, or care about, the difference.
You "parrot" your quasi-patriotism and have no idea what it means other than what you were incorrectly taught in our pathetic public school system. When I see the bastardization of our Constitution for the past nearly 100 years by Progressivism and pseudo-republicanism under the guise of the GOP or todays "Republicans", I laugh. You're the ones without a clue.
If you want to learn something about obstructionism I recommend you read up on the Revolution of 1937. I'm sure you've never even heard of it. I'm sure you'll be outraged. But if you're a Liberal/Progressive you'll obviously try to defend one of the greatest usurpations of our great Constitution in history.
This article is NOT about sheriff Arpaio, it's about a State, one of our sister States, struggling to protect its citizens against illegal invaders. Illegal invaders that our Federal government, ruled by useless Republicans and Democrats, who simply avoid their mandated responsibilities per their establishment propaganda. The Constitution demands our borders be protected from invasion. And yes, 15 million illegal aliens is an invasion, they just lack uniforms. When our Federal government refuses to address the problems what are the States supposed to do, just let the criminals continue to rape, murder, rob and create violence for the sake of a vote or cheap labor?
I recommend you reevaluate your "Republican" agenda before you start demonizing the people trying to do what our Supreme Law requires be done.
Psssst, you're the one who started with the "won't fund government jobs". Try to keep up Spanky.
Why? Are those comments the authority on the subject? Moreso than here? NOOOOOOO!!!!! Say it ain't true. I prefer to take the proof from the U.S. Department of Commerce Bureau of Economic Analysis rather than some comment poster.
Show me baby!!!!! I'll be glad to compare them to the governments statistics. Please make sure they aren't from Huff-N-Puff Post, Politico or the Daily Kus, I read them and disproved them on another thread.
I'll look forward to your "many" articles.
The trouble with this Joe pink underwear Sheriff is he is to busy being a celeb.
He thinks if he does nothing about these rapes they will go away.
He is so typical of the Republican mind set. What a POS
Feds make less than private counterparts.
Feds make more than private counterparts
In your article it clearly states that the statistics would naturally be skewed because the Government contracts out most low-skill type jobs... custodians, food service etc.
That means the pool for government compensation figures is taken primarily from college educated individuals, which make up most of the Federal workforce. While the private industry figures INCLUDE those low-skill contractors from the government not to mention every minimum wage employee in the country.
So yeah, the average is going to be skewed Freedom.
Other studies, as I cited, show that the government employee MAKES LESS than their private employee COUNTERPART. Which is a more accurate comparison than misleading averages.
Freedom, citing one news article that supports only your view is faulty 'research'... so, maybe it is you that isn't capable.
Here is the GS payscale. Most white collar employees are within the GS7-11 (35-55K). Supervisory / Program Managers are GS12-13 (65-83K). Base Commanders and the like are GS-15 (112K). The Scientific and Senior Executive type positions can reach 130K.
Pay has been frozen since 2010.
Hey, that was funny: "is there a point to this article?" Yeah, I think the point is that Sheriff Joe the American Ambassador of Embarrassment is going to spend more time in his own tent city, eating food that costs the state less then the food they feed the dogs. And good riddance to bad rubbish.
My personal take is that we should build a fence around Arizona, so that when they run out of water, we can pick them off as they try to illegally immigrate to other states.
Josh Brogan, ElAgente777, you are both suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Left many comments collapsed for grenade trolling. Don't do the mass insult thing or it will lead to suspensions. Thanks!
Stories like this only confirm my hope that AZ finally wakes up and stops re-electing Arpaio. I think part of it has to do with the ype of being America's "toughest", but clearly this shows he is not. The other part is that I think AZ just wants to give a big F*** YOU to the rest of the country that criticizes his position on illegal immigration.
Now, let's be honest. No one is entitled to break the law regardless of where they come from. If we wanted to start granting amnesty for people who've been dealt a bad hand in life then let's start in the war-torn areas of African countries where genocide is being committed. They are far worse off than Mexicans. No one should be given a free pass just cause they have the luxury of being just over the border. We need to enforce our existing laws & expedite the process citizenship. That is the only way to reduce the rate of illegal immigration and will generate new revenues from more people paying taxes that live/work here.
Keeping a schmuck like Joe in office isn't going to help the Federal gov't and courts to take the border states seriously. He is a joke. An idiot who makes grand gestures with raids and campaigns but is ineffective in actually making Maricopa county any safer. No poster boy needs to get any more of my tax dollars. You do not do your cause any good by appearing ignorant and incompetent.
Cavalier - Pay close attention to the last line of the above comment. I am sure the anti-Joe group doesn't want someone who clearly knows nothing about power and water sources in the Southwest coming up with ideas on how to stick it to AZ. Ever heard of the Colorado river? How about the Hoover Dam?
Freedom; I'll throw your words back at you - Good God, don't you people know how to research anything...lmao. Since when is the USA Today a sound source of information? It's laid out more like the National Enquire than the New York Times.
You were the one who went off about boarders SPANKY, in post 2.7 - not much on following what came first are ya. I just shot you down on your Utopian ideals thinking the boarders can be patrolled and not fund the operation. You never did say what you would cut - in fact you didn't do anything but lose your cool.
Joe is slipping,not to mention his head is so swollen he has tunnel vision! Time he prioritizes what crimes He's so tough on.
This is the kind of government and police state (county) you get when you keep the same man in office decade after decade. Remember Hoover, his FBI investigated anyone he wanted investigated whether they were criminals or not. He had dirt on every Congressman in office. This Sheriff has a dictatorship over this County plain and simple and his ego tells him he can do whatever he wants to do. But then the people keep electing him so this says a lot about entrenched politicians of every ilk from the County level to the Senate. All we have to do is look at America's situation and it can be traced back to the same lifelong politicians who refuse to admit that it is their way or no way, the public be damned for questioning them. They are not only in Arizona but in every State in the Union.
You all read the article correct? How many different cases of child sexual abuse were reported in this one small section of our massive nation? Some of these children, as stated, were as young as two years old.
Recent studies in our great nation show that one in four American females have been sexually abused. The same study reports that one in five males have been sexually abused. These ratios, these numbers are from only those who will say. The recent events at Penn State are an excellent example of the dynamic that unfolds by the acts of these creatures who abuse innocent little children. A premier point that is coming from Penn is what people and groups have been trying to educate we the people about for years. Forget the stereotype of the pervert who rapes the body and heart of children. It is not necessarily that " unshaven, uneducated thing that lives in a trailer. It can and is someone in a fine three piece Italian suit, or a uniform with several stars.
We Americans are good people. Most of us have hearts of gold and will help any one in need. Why do we allow this child abuse to go on? We will feed our hungry and yet allow innocent children be raped time after time, in ever growing numbers. Many of these children never get the help they need after suffering such horrible trauma. Many of them become perpetrators themselves.
Our judicial system has failed us with these creatures. The judge gives them a few years in jail, maybe, and then they are back out on the streets to harm another child in more often a more violent way; frequently death. They are out of jail and then the law requires that they "register" their names in our National Sex Pervert Data Bank. Our judicial system has failed our children in every state in the union. The Federal Government has also failed our little children. Good, loving parents are growing more and more protective of their children and rightly and necessarily so. There is no cure for these creature. Some states are using "castration." That act only solves part of the problem. It does not cure the violence within these creatures; so they will continue to repeat until they are locked away for life. I would suggest an island far away and one that is surrounded by sharks.
I recently read that the state of Virginia has a new solution for these "things." After they do a minimal time in jail, Virginia now has another facility for them where they will receive psychiatric therapy. I ran their numbers. The cost to the tax-payer of the Common Wealth of Virginia is one million dollars a year per head. This is regressive, back to the 50s and 60s when psychiatrists were telling us that through their great therapeutic methods they would cure all and we would no longer have a need for prisons to lock dangerous people away. That has not worked out. The only ones benefiting in Virginia, it seems to me, are the therapists getting fat checks from the state.
We cannot depend on the Federal Government to solve this either. Their track record and billions of tax-payers dollars have failed. They would rather give Billions to Egypt so that the Muslim Brotherhood can take control with their sworn mission to destroy the West.
May I suggest this Christmas that we give a small gift to help those who really help the children. If you are a citizen of Arizona look at the Arizona Coalition Against Domestic Violence; mentioned in the article. A few dollars to them would enable them to provide protective shelter for helpless children.
On a national level help Focus Adolescent Services, Focusas.com to help these children. I know that they do great work and have for a long time.
There are more. There are other groups, perhaps even good ones in your state who really help and don't just write themselves a fat paycheck every week from the contributions they receive.
It is up to us to stop this. We can do this and we will if we all work together; do some outreach, or support people you believe in who are doing it.
With Christmas and Hanukkah coming it is a good time of the year to remember.
Rape is not a high priority for US police departments. Do a Google search for UNTESTED RAPE KITS and see what I mean.
The only crimes our justice systems take seriously are drugs and traffic
But that does not excuse the number of cases Arpaio's office closes through 'exception' (closed without investigation). The numbers for those cases in 2006 and 2007, the latest years stats were available when this was disclosed in Jan. of 2010, was 79% and 89% respectively. To put this in context, the closest high number from surrounding area LE agencies was 25%.
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/01/15/20100115mcsocases01152010-CR.html
This goes hand in hand with the over 40,000 warrants the self-proclaimed 'toughest sheriff' has failed to serve.
Joe likes to conduct highly publicized raids on landscaping companies, dry cleaners, car wash businesses and fast food establishments for the purpose of looking for illegals. When it comes to crime that might present a danger to LE officers, Joe's not so much interested.
These 400 uninvestigated sexual abuse cases is very likely the most egregious of all Joe's failures to do his job, but make no mistake about it. They are not atypical for how this office is ran.
That's because there's no money in rape cases. Anymore, the so-called legal system is about collecting fines, fees, forcing people to take classes, paying for probation, etc. Once you lock up a rapist and throw away the key there's no opportunity to fleece them for additional cash. After all, it's not like this is about JUSTICE.
A rape kit is simply forensic evidence gathered for the police by medical personnel, then handed to the police. Not all rape kits are processed just like not all other physical evidence is processed. Its not like television where every tiny piece in sent to a lab where techs have nothing to do and jump on stuff immedietly. Most labs have a weeks to months backlog of processing......so an investigator does not send evidence to the lab just to be sending it. You work the case and IF you have cooperative wits and victim, and IF you have a decent suspect ID then you process evidence to nail down the case for prosecution.
If the wits/vic are not cooperative and it looks like the case may never end in arrest or prosecution you dont waste your time or the labs. You file and store everything and if at some point in the future the victim changes their mind you get it out and start again and hope the statute has not expired.
You could write a book about what people dont understand about investigations/lab tests and prosecutions. Its nothing like TV.
JEM:
The police is part of the Executive Branch whereas the courts are part of the Judiciary Branch. The Criminal Justice System comprises of both.
The primary mission of the typical American police departments is to crush rebellions and revolutions. Addressing the common crimes is secondary. In certain municipality, sadly, the secondary mission has been revenue enhancement using traffic citations. The suppression of mass rebellion is reason for having so many police forces armed with machine guns, body armor, grenades, riot gears-equipment, armor vehicles and helicopter gunships. In effect, the police is akin to the paramilitary force. Rape, drugs, murder, burlary and even armed robbery do not require that kind of military weaponry response.
The Judiciary merely conducts the trials of the accused. But with many municipal judges elected by special interest groups with money and organized voting blocks, such as the police-sheriff-fire labor unions, judges are not as impartial as they can be.
Wish I could cancel when these windows pop up in the wrong place, excuse me.
and thats why america has some of the most violence and has more ppl in jail then anyone. the police dont care about real criminals. 90% of the ppl in jail is for non violent crimes, wrongly convicted or lot of them are just suspects not the actual criminal. majority of the ppl in prison for non violent crime is drugs. they waste all the money on cops to go after pointless crimes and keep getting rid of teachers and eudcation. the goverment is corrupt. greed is destroying america.
AZRANCHER, lets hope one of your cows are not stolen or heaven forbid raped. You would want old Joe to get right on that, and he would because you seem to be one of his principal supporters. I'll bet he could form a posse and bring eight or ten illegals to justice within the hour. People are not stupid enough to believe that crimes are solved in the twenty or thirty minutes of a TV series with ther attention to minuitia. But we do expect that our police make at least an effort especially in the cases involving child abuse no matter what ethnic group that child belongs to. Justice delayed is justice denied. I don't particularly like the illegal immigration situation in America myself, but I recognize that the vast majority of these people are simply trying to better their condition in life. I want an America where everyone in it has a legal status, but I do not want to see wholesale concentration camps where these people are housed like Auwiscz or the Nazi concentration camps. This is not the America I put on a uniform for and swore to defend.
To get everyone here legal status....then I guess everyone should come here LEGAL, huh???
Big Joe VS. Sullivan in a title bout for the best sheriffs this side of the Missisppi.
I love how the leftist media has spun this to be about illegal immigration. Good job MSNBC, you took a story with merit and turned it into a freaking joke.
So Lazaryss, how exactly does reporting facts from a "case", quoting those involved in it, "spin" the story?
lazyass, just how does your reasoning work?
Rick give Lazaryss a break. Facts can be confusing to some
Like magnets.
Or complex and complicated machinery like spoons and doorknobs.
go back to azc.com, troll.
Just wait until Joe is out then his current offices' records are examined. I bet the week before a mysterious fire will destroy a majority of them though.
This is what happens when you create a demagogue. Obviously to Joe, you can rape all the wetbacks you want in his jurisdiction, after all, they ain't got no rights, right?
Cut it any way you want, Joe is one sick schmuck.
Like I said earlier, the problem is, if they are raping illegals, they are certainly going to rape Americans.
And yes, he is one sick man not to even consider that fact.
And no, I am not saying its any worse for American women and children, than it is for illegal women and children. We all need to be protected from these animals.
you are right ........ they have no rights . they don't even have the right to be here .
You are too
I did not say they do not have rights. They have the right to be protected from these animals and idiots like you.
WTF!!!...these children and women are HUMANS, regardless where they are from. Memphis made a rape crisis center that was the template for the rest of the country, now it and so many more across the country have become a shameful joke. Rape kits never processed, investgations forgotten, victums left to fend for themselves. If there was true justice in this, Joe would be in prison for this crap, but you know what will happen, the Good Ol' Boy system...he'll get MAYBE fired, and a wang of some judge's finger saying.."You did a bad thing, meet ya later for a round of Golf."
Surely Joe is not the only sick schmuck in his neighborhood - doesn't he get elected again and again??
Memphis is the US Cesspool.
I cannot believe the amount of hate-filled comments about Sheriff Joe...he is an elected official that does his job and the reason we keep re-electing him is because he does his job. Luckily we have a lot of great sheriffs in this state including Paul Babeu. Keep up the good work!!!!
We do have good law enforcement people in Arizona, but the two you mention are not among them. Joe does not do his job, or he wouldn't be closing 80% plus cases through 'exception' (i.e. not investigating at all), misspending over $100 million dollars, having 40,000 warrants unserved, losing millions of dollars in lawsuits for unlawful arrests and deaths in his jail, and the list is too long to post here.
Google any of those items and read the articles from the local newspapers. The series done by the East Valley Tribune is especially damning.
He gets elected because there is a large number of old, racist retirees in Maricopa County, Juanita. And this is what happens when you elect a a complete @!$%#ing moron as your Sheriff.
Channel 5 in Phoenix spins everything and they always go after anyone who wants to stop Illegal aliens from coming into our state!
spoken like a true illegal
Really, and that has absolutely nothing with Sheriff Arpaio's constant violation of his own constituents' constitutional liberties?
Juanita, did you actually read the article? Apparently not, since it clearly shows he did NOT do his job.
Also, Vieteravet is an idiot, possibly a pedophile, if he calls people whiny for suggesting that child rapists be dealt with by law enforcement. Although in Vietnam, I guess that wasn't frowned upon.
juanita dominguez, the reason(s) people keep voting for him is because they are as stpd as you, ignorant, or haters and in some cases (like yours) self haters. You are going to tell me know that is is ok for a child to be raped and no one doing anything about. Have you thought that it could be your daughter, your sister, your mother or it could of have been you? Would you like someone to violate your body and no one doing anything about it. Is that what you call the Sheriff doing a great job? Really. I do not know what religion you may be (or not) but ask your self if Jesus was before you... Would you repeat what you just wrote here? Perhaps you would. Perhaps that is how arrogant you are!
As for Vieteravet, stop using drugs. They only fry your brain cell. that is if you have any left.
There has to be money to do all the processing you want for these Rape kits you mentioned. Also as a victim you have to be your own advocate you can't presume you are the only one out there that has a case. If you let the police forget and don't keep tabs on it it gets brushed aside. You mentioned a model of a rape crisis center, I worked for a major metro police department and never heard of the Memphis Rape Crisis center being the model for anything.
"Sheriff Joe" has never met a Camera he didn't like.
My Mother in law who used to live down there said that (she lived there for about 20 years total - she left the state about 2 years ago). She also says that he's a dirtbag racist thug in a cop's uniform and nothing else. She can't wait until justice finally comes to his front door.
And my mother in law's a white woman. AND she's generally a very nice, easy going person who doesn't linger on negatives at all.
It goes to show just exactly what kind of impression he has made on her and many others that live down there.
I lived in California for over 20 years and left because Jerry Brown is a dirtbag; yet, they reelected him.
FormerMarineSgt: so your mother-in-law is "generally a very nice woman"...but she hopes that someone murders the sheriff....that's sooooo "nice".
She said "generally a very nice woman," not a saint.
@juanita dominguez
FormerMarine didn't even IMPLY she wanted him murdered. What are you talking about?
Juanita, he said nothing about anyone murdering Arpaio. The statement was, "She can't wait until justice finally comes to his front door." I read that as when he is finally arrested and held in his high quality jail serving food unfit for human consumption. I find it very telling that it is an Arpaio supporter who reads that neutral statement as a death threat. Your interpretation of the statement tells us that you, like Arpaio, have no interest in the law or justice. Rather, you are both thugs of the worst ilk.
I guess she has dymentia!
i bet.joe arpaio,is a republican cause he. looks,evil.take a look at his face.
Long live Sheriff Joe!
Where did you get that accusation from juanita? He never said that in his post you're just making that up.
proamerica good riddance and don't come back. Jerry Brown didn't decline to investigate child molesters because they're illegal immigrants, Sheriff Joe did.
Juanita Dominguez, where did FormerMarineSgt mentioned on his comment anything about the sheriff been murdered? Stop making up lies....
#10.7 - Sun Dec 4, 2011 9:22 PM EST
hey Frank med , I'll bet you are a liberal ...... someday I hope people realize that they have to become more involved politically , than just being liberal , or conservative ..... it apears to me that both sides are f*cked up . look at the circus in DC . both sides are the problem .
hey eat dirt. joes gonna be eatin @!$%#. let the feds finish the job. or the mexicans
who did it? did marylin really overdose? ................. no......
the days are numbered, and your osama ''''''joey ''''''''teflon'''''' arpaio will be restin in pieces!!
its just time. did anybody see jimmy hoffman?... is he buried in vegas, or under what parkin garage in chi town?
the truth is out there.. joes days are thin..
I live in Arizona, and your mother is right! Joe is not a hero, nor does he care about the law. We have thousands of felons running loose that Joe isn't interested in pursuing, just as he isn't interested in pursuing sexual predators unless they are Mexicans in the country illegally. Don't kid yourselves... Joe Arpaio doesn't care about illegal aliens... unless they are Mexican. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office is rife with corruption. They have destroyed documents related to federal investigations, and cannot account for ninety-nine million dollars. The nation's "toughest sheriff" or the nation's most notorious sheriff? There is a profound difference!
"can't wait until justice finally comes to his door" is a threat...no matter how you spin it.
So Juanita, in your view justice=murder?
Every cop's top priority is to protect himself and his fellow cops.
This is despicable behavior from anyone but from a sheriff sworn to uphold the law, it's unbelievable. He should be made to pay for his lack of action in protecting these children, no matter what their skin color or legal status is.
The rape of women and children just doesn't seem to be a high priority in this country and it's becoming almost epidemic that the perpetrators are not prosecuted for their sick behavior. We should all be outraged by this.
and tell us oh great and knowledgable one.....how do you investigate and prosecute a suspect when the victim will not come forward and talk to detectives????? How do you narrow down a suspect, make an arrest and go into a courtroom if there is no one to identify the suspect as the one who comitted the crime....because the victim and family are dodging the police themselves????
Please tell us.
I Azrancher and on-line pseudonymn for Joe?
What do you expect from a media whore, like Sheriff Joe.
azrancher exudes the image that the rest of America despises. He blindly defends his inept, meat head, blow hard sheriff because he's tough on the Mexicans while still trampling on the lowly, poor white man. For the record, we're talking about *hundreds* of cases, Mr. Wizard. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Your boy's a joke...live with it.
@Azrancher
Subpoena is what you are looking for (you can shoot me a "great and knowledgeable one" reply now....)
Good luck proving the BS. If you don't live here, you don't know JACK! Of channel 5 will make up something!
Vieteravet is pretty defensive about all this...talk about a sheep.
#12.5 - Sun Dec 4, 2011 8:54 PM EST
if you can get an Illegal to honor a subpoena , maybe you should be the Sheriff .
So they can track down the drugs, but, they can't track down these rapist of women and children?
Again oh great and knowledable one......you have to locate them to serve a subpeona, and if they wont cooperate with the investigator.....no prosecuter wants to have their victim as a "hostile witness" forced into court under threat of arrest.....the defense would love that.
I spent over 20 years dealing with this same crap. If the victim wont cooperate..then there is no crime.
In their follow-up on the case of the 13-year-old attacked by the man claiming to have a broken car, El Mirage police discovered Arpaio's office hadn't interviewed the victim.
An El Mirage detective went to the girl's home just off the city's main drag. The girl's uncle said she and her mother weren't around and took the investigator's card with a promise to ask them to call.
The mother never called back. She and her daughter's whereabouts are unknown.
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So, El Mirage never interviewed the victim either. BOTH FOR THE SAME REASON?
I believe that the El Mirage detective went looking for the girl AFTER the city got the cases back from the sheriff.
Obviously, the girl (and/or her family) wanted something done - otherwise, they wouldn't have reported it at all.
Had the sheriff followed up when this crime was originally reported, they might have been able to actually catch this guy.
So the Sheriff investigator could get no interview or cooperation with the victim or family, and then the El Mirage Detective failed to obtain cooperation also...yet its the sheriffs fault????
I worked on homicide cases in Los Angeles, hundreds of them. You sorted them into two piles those with cooperative wits and potential follow up value and those illegal and gang related where NO ONE would cooperate with police. You worked the ones you could and tossed the ones you couldn't. When you have a lot of them to work you dont waste time on dead end cases, its not like TV.
I know El Mirage and its area, most illegal aliens will not talak to police (as mentioned in this article) even if victimized. Thats why predators like to target illegals. Without voluntary cooperation from the victim and wits you have no case. Period.
There is a saying in the police world.."no victim no crime." If the victim will not cooperate then you have no victim, without a victim you have no crime. You move on to another case. Thats life and the burden to cooperate is in the hands of the wits and victim.
Sounds like the "Police World" is pretty buggered.
And I say again Subpoena!!! If they dodge they will be picked up eventually and compelled at that time. With all the arrests he effects on illegal immigrants he's sure to clear his sex crimes caseload promptly....
Good police work is good police work. period. He's not doing a good job with these cases and would hope that if something like that EVER happened to you and yours, the police would do ALL they can to arrest the offender
you can't force someone to bring charges, what good does a subpoena do?
You were exactly corrected. Solving crime is 90% cooporation. Family related rape are the most difficult case to solve and they are lower in prtority, especially your caseload are piled up, you got to move on. How much did El mirage expected to get for 2.7 million? Less than 3 patrol cars on three shifts and maybe one investigator? Most of the readers failed to understood that drug related offenders committed more than 80% of the property nad violent crimes, that was why ther are top on the list.
Does that happen in all 79%-89% of the cases Joe's office has closed through exception (i.e. didn't investigate)? No one would speak to the deputy that came to interview the victim, or was no deputy sent to begin with? Remember please, those figures came from the sheriff's office itself, not from some investigative reporter digging up dirt on 'poor ol' Joe'.
As for channel 5, there's also channel 12, the Arizona Republic, the East Valley Tribune, and a host of other papers around the state that have reported on the issues surfacing from the Sheriff's office in the last five or six years. Joe's top three chief deputies had to be terminated as a result of an investigation prompted by a memo written by a senior officer in the Sheriff's department which contained a number of allegations of wrong doing by the department's administration.
Joe may have been fine in his time, but he's almost 80 years old, and proof positive that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is a vicious baseless article designed by the ultra-left and their disciples to taint the man and the office of Sheriff.
Behind the scenes these people moaning and groaning are likely to be paid hacks or as Lenin and Obama would call them 'useful idiots' .
Earning a few bucks by submitting obtuse and devious comments. None or almost none of the derogatory comments address the issue... they address as does the playbook of the libs not the issue but they attack the man.
Way to go fruitcakes (I don’t like fruitcakes) but take another toke or swig and go back to bed.
Azrancher I bet it this was a white girl instead of a Mexican, you would be blaming him for not doing his job. It is typical of all you full right wingers. You put the blame on some one only when ti is convenient. STOP THE HATE.
I also used to work for a Police agency not in Arizona, and I also have a home in Arizona.
Azrancher is dead on when he stated "as an investigator you have put your cases into two piles chargeable crimes (with witness and victims) and dead ends no leads" (sic) As investigator with limted resources you do not have time to investigate dead end cases. Unlike television police departments do not have unlimted budgets and evidence processing that come up with fantastic results.
I asked the crime lab at the Police Department I worked at once about the television show's version of a crime lab. The head of the crime lab told me this, Yes, evidence can be processed in an hour if you have the technicians and equipment that are qualified to do it. Many people that watch television believe ALL Police departments are just like that. That crimes (like a finger print in a stolen vehicle) can be solved with just that one thing. Here in the state I worked for the police department the forethemost part the prosecuting attorney would NOT try a case if the criminal was NOT caught in the stolen vehicle.
As for this case I don't care what it is if an illegal committing a crime against another illegal, they are here illegally they don't have any rights and are encouraged to leave. In this case it looks like no one cooperated so there is in fact nothing to investigate case closed.
That's B.S. It's called an investigation. Most crimes don't have any witnesses, murder, theft...
He has just chosen not to pursue these.
1. The victim has to report to the police that a crime had been comitted against her.
2. The victim has to provide a detailed statement to police about what happened.
3. The victim has to provide or submitt to the gathering of physical evidence left by the suspect.
4. The victim will have to provide a positive ID to any potential suspects apprehended.
5. The victim has to appear in court and testify on behalf of the prosecution on all of the above.
If the victim refuses to cooperate in any manner and even hides from the police, then there is 90% of the case. The police may have a suspect but can not go after him because of this witness's lack of cooperation.
Since many perverts/molesters and rapists continue to strike, this victims lack of cooperation just allows the suspect to continue to prey on others at will. She will bear some of the responsibility for future attacks since she is failing to help stop them herself.
The police are only as productive as the cooperation they get from the community.
El Mirage has been a problem for some time. They had their own police dept. but it was disbanded over corruption issues, the sheriff began serving this sector but did not have the insight to the community like a long term police dept would. A large portion of El Mirage is illegal aliens and they refuse to cooperate with police of any kind. Now el mirage has its police back and all new allegations are arising. Thats just a troubled area to begin with.
Joe Arpaio is a self promoting, media whore, screw up !
For some crazy reason, Sheriff Joe hates illegals. That is the only valid explanation. And Perry is proud to have his endoresement for President? That says a lot about Perry.
Yes, most of us law abidding citizens hate illegals, because it's against the law for them to be here! Why don't we do what the Mexican gov't does, put them in jail for 10 years!
If you choose to live in a glass house you make yourself a target, so sorry, but I don't feel too badly for Sheriff Joe. He's a publicity hound, and now it's biting him back. Fame is a double edged sword. Given the AZ attitude towards Hispanics this is hardly a surprise. I'm sure it isn't just sex crimes against children being neglected. AZ wants Hispanics to go away. That is something their laws make very clear.
Mare P,
"AZ wants Hispanics to go away." I understand Arizonan's complaints regarding the traficking in both drug and people. But I wonder how they will feel when they reach the same level as Georgia did this year; crops rotting in the fields because those nasty illegals weren't there to work. Granny out mowing the grass because the landscaping crews have left. And the prices for construction jumping 20% or more.
No dip$h!t, we want illegals to go away, if we could get rid of some libtards, that would be good too!
Breaking the law is just that… breaking the law.
Any person, Hispanic, Chinese, Zimbabwe, Peruvian or Cuban who sneaks across the border has broken the law.
What is so difficult to understand here?
It is the ILLEGAL entrants who need to be rounded up, maybe branded and returned to their original country.
Then shot if they come across the border gain. Now that won't stop people (usually fools) from trying again but it will slow the invasion.
Or the US of A could use the tactics which the Mexican Government uses to control their southern border? Look it up and see if it is as harsh as my idea.
Josh, did you give a hard thought to what you just wrote? If Mexican's enter the states Illegally. Does it make it legal for pedophiles to sexually abuse them? Specially 13 year girls who had no saying in entering this country illegally? Or are you as $tpd as vietera$ht and Juanita? How much do you know about the history of Arizona and how did it become to be part of the US? I bet most of you Idiots don't...I dare you to return a very well educated answer....
Vieteravet, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Joe was too busy putting together an investigation to see if Obama is legal. Now he is too busy trying to raise money to build a fence in Pima county, Arizona that nobody in Pima county wants. I suggest that they simply build a fence around Maricopa county. Nobody wants to go there anyway. Just Joe and the child molesters.
Arpaio's underlings shoot and kill more "suspects" in the back than any other police force in the country and nobody,I guess,finds it interesting enough to try and find out why.And why do his deputies live in $400,000 dollar homes? The highest paid police force in the country?Hmmm.
Jenny, please provide the statistics for your accusation!!
you make some wild a$$ claims... where do you get such info? must be where the sun dont shine.
What an inane totally baseless and inaccurate post. Please cite a reference before posting complete BS, otherwise you look like the idiot you seem to be and insult the intelligence of all who read and post.
You're nuts! Go back under your rock, you know nothing about AZ!
You Jennylong are NUTS!
Vieteravet, you live in Arizona and don't know $ht about it.Go back to school and read real American History
Maricopa County Deputy Sheriff's starting salary is $38,000 annual. Not very high in the field of Law Enforcement. The department has problems with training and educating deputies only to have them recruited to other local agencies who start at $45,000 annual or higher. As for $ 400,000 dollars homes that all dpeuties live in.....the few I can say I personally know do not possess these houses.
As for shooting in the back, I have researched the last 40 officer involved shootings in MAricopa County and the Sheriff's office did not have ANY where the suspect was shoot in the back. The Avondale Police Dept. had one shooting during a car stop where the officer fired into the rear windo striking the suspect in the back and shoulder.
I would like to know your reference sources for the "back shooting cases". Do you have any or just hateful embellishments you made up yourself????????
It is possible that the sheriff was targeting crimes against citizens and people in the country legally.
This story illustrates the shortcomings of focusing on one area of prosecution at the expense of other crimes. Joe is nothing more than an egomaniacally-driven sorry excuse for a law enforcement official and his jurisdiction would be better served by someone who provided greater focus on the real problems confronting their communities.
The problem in our community is illegal aliens, stealing, murdering, and drunk driving!
Vieteravet: And none of the good white folks in your community do that sort of thing. Right?? BS.
You gotta excuse him-he's just going through Oxycontin withdrawal.....
Americans don't want to admit that the "average drug addict" are addicted to drugs that were once prescribed to them....
Vieteravet Can you prove that all this actions are committed only by illegal immigrants? I think you may be one of these offenders and like to point the finger in a different direction.
Ah! The Republican Tea Party Poster Child! I'm sure they'll just give him some high GOP Award.
Reason #1 Never to visit the racist state of Arizona.
Arpaio and Arizona, you are an embarrassment to America!
Boycott the whole state of Arizona!
AtheistLefty: I personally am so relieved that you are boycotting our state...you certainly don't deserve to be here with us "racists".
Since their is a tea party in every state, why dont you boycott the USA
But since you are offended by the words :" in god we trust" you must not have any money to spend anyway.
Please don't think that EVERYONE is as cruel and racist in Arizona as the folks in Maricopa County. I promise you, we're not all like that.
We don't friggin want you!
Being Mexican is not a race it is an ethnic group!
Toasty, 99.9% of the legal residents in AZ, and specifically Maricopa County aren't cruel and racist. Also, part of juanita's post applies to you. I bet you can guess which part.
I'm boycotting Arizona (which, unfortunately makes it a tough drive from California to New Mexico) and Alabama (but why would anyone want to go there anyway!)
A Lefty
Yes, PLEASE dont come to Arizona.
In fact many people ARE leaving Arizona. Mostly illegals.
Seems they hear that California is the place to be.
Enjoy your new welfare suckers.
You pigs can wallow in the stye of what is now Arizona. We don't miss you. Too bad you have the Grand Canyon....that I'd like to see again, but, oh well.
rb-1026729 are you saying the tea party is racist?
Yea...boycott Arizona......the last one worked so well...HAHAHAHAHAH
Joe wants to get to the bottom of it. Joe is the bottom, he's the pits.
The only thing Joe Arpaio would possibly be good at would be a bit part in a remake of the Dukes of Hazzard . . . he's as inept as the "pretend sherrifs" were in that movie.
I've quit keeping score, so I have to ask: who's batsh*t crazier this week, Texas or Arizona? Or is Alabama a spoiler in that competition?
You left out one of the top five - South Carolina!
Yeah, I guess. I was raised in AL and have lived in SC for most of my adult life; the potential for embarrassment is endless. But back to the question . . .?
It's always hard to find the lead in a race to the bottom.
Obama and the Libby Democrats are bringing America to the bottom at breakneck speed , but that will change in 2012 when the republicans score big in the elections !!!!! Again like 2010 !!!
You're forgetting the massacre of Teabaggers that was the 2011 elections...
Yeah, those OWS people are really something to be proud of, right libtard!
lol Toasty, hallucinating again?
How'd that "massacre" work out for you in swing state Virginia? Let's see, the Democrats lost heavily in the House, including their House Minority Leader's seat. They gerrymandered the Senate but still lost control because 60% of state senate voters chose Republicans, and it ended up 50/50 with Reps winning ties.
2011 suggests you're going to get your brains beat in next fall, just like 2010 did. Maybe Obama will hang on, that's it. Reps will have at least both Houses of Congress.
Care to talk about the entire rest of the 2011 election, Yoyo? Please, do elaborate. Unless you think one republican victory in a sea of democratic victories still counts as "getting your brains beat."
Toasty's sea of Democratic victories is as deep as the water in my toilet bowl !! HA-HA !!!!