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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 7:30 a.m. ET: Three people, including an infant, were shot dead Monday night before the shooter turned the gun on himself, authorities told NBC New York.
The gunman shot two adults and the infant, then killed himself, based on initial reports from the scene in Bayonne, N.J., Mayor Mark Smith said.
Another adult was also shot and was being treated at Bayonne Medical Center for injuries, he added.
Smith told The New York Times that it "looks like murder-suicide."
He told the paper that two other children who were in the home at the time were not hurt, but were "traumatized."
The Times said that preliminary information suggested that the shooter may have been visiting an ex-wife.
A next-door neighbor told NBC New York that his brother heard fighting coming from the home before the shots were fired.
The brother "saw some suspicious activity through the glass door, he heard some loud voices," said the neighbor, who did not wanted to be named. "He goes back in the house to report a domestic dispute and as he's calling it in, he hears some gunshots."
Smith would only say that there was "some type of dispute in the home," and that it "progressed from there."
He would not immediately discuss the relationship of the shooter to the victims.
The Star-Ledger newspaper reported that the shootings happened about 8 p.m. on Monday. Police responded to a call that shots had been fired and they found a woman with a gunshot wound outside the house, the paper said, citing officials.
The paper said the child who died was a boy, aged about a year to 18 months. He was still alive and was taken to hospital, but died later.
According to the Star-Ledger, a man was spotted at Bayonne Medical Center crouched down, rocking back and forth, sobbing and shouting "no."
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ban handguns
How about we ban you.
and the result would be the same, the weapon would just be a kitchen knife or a baseball bat. we have been killing each other for 20,000 years what makes you think that getting rid of a 400 year old weapon will help anything.
The anti-gun liberals will now say - "take away everybody's guns". In Bayonne NU, where this event happened, how many people were killed by drunk drivers that week? How many were maimed? Since 1948, when my brother was killed by a teenage drunk driver, 1,600,000 people have been killed by drunk drivers. This does not include the number killed by drug impaired drivers. Another 10,000,000 plus have been maimed for life by drunken drivers.
When someone kills someone with a gun, they go to prison for 20 or 30 years, depending on the facts. When someone kills another person by virture of being impaired, they lose their license for 6 months and a fine of $2500 plus, and attorney's fees and court costs and bail commission. Maybe a total cost of $10,000. No jail time for the first offense, usually. If convicted of manslaughter, depending on their rap sheet, they could get 15 years in prison Some states require a minimum of 6 months in jail for a fatality while drunk, others do not.
Get off the guns. I will never give up my guns, until shot to death by thug officers who try to confiscate them. Do you actually believe these gang bangers, bikers, dope dealers, and other criminals will give up their guns? No Way.
The Second Amendment is there for a reason. It is unfortunate that we cannot catch these stressed out individuals before they kill. I grieve for the survivors of these gun fatalities every time I hear of one. We have every imaginable gun law already on the books, yet these stressies still manage to get a gun and act out some problem they are having.
Shel Rama - not every liberal is anti-gun and not everybody who is anti-gun is a liberal (just google 'anti-gun republicans,' for instance). When you make such a blanket statement you nullify anything that follows it.
You are correct. The reason was for a well regulated militia. As it clearly states:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Actually, the penalties you cite for killing someone while [driving] impaired, approximate the penalties for drunk driving or Operating Under the Influence (OUI). The normal course of action in my liberal state (Massachusetts) is to charge the impaired driver with involuntary manslaughter or vehicular homicide, which carry penalties of serious jail time and a lifetime loss of one's license to drive. I assume that other states have similar statutes.
As to your justifications for the second amendment. That was passed at a time when foreign invasion by British or other foreign armies were still a distinct possibility and when raids by Indian tribes could and did still occur. There has been no real justification for the second amendment since the advent of modern, mechanized war fare; no loosely organized militia of suburbanites, armed with deer rifles and 38 caliber pistols are going to accomplish anything if the Russians land in New Jersey tomorrow.
You have lost your mind if you think you will ever ban the hand gun,you will only manage to disarm the law abiding citizens because the criminals are always going to have a gun of some type. This country was built with a plow in one hand and a gun in the other. God made all men and Sam Colt made all men equal! PAW-PAW
Warren - I've no doubt that criminals will continue to seek out and sometimes find illegal handguns. But, as such guns become less common, fewer and fewer criminals will succeed. In most Western European countries they have much stricter gun laws and far fewer homicides per capita than here in the U.S.A.
So... you keep a plow in your house?
Me neither.
Times do change.
The second amendment was written long before we had "semi automatic or automatic weapons" roaming the streets of America. While I support the right to bear arms... we still need stricter gun control laws on these type of weapons. There may never be a way to 100% prevent these types of deaths... but if it saves one person's life, it's worth it.
Great posts Dman.
"Quemsdmoeum gladuis neminem occidit occidentis telum est."
Translation: "A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands"
Lucius Annacus Seneca Circa. 45 A.D.
um i belive hand guns are banned in nj
Sometimes I read an article and I miss a little detail. Apparently I missed any mention of this being caused by a handgun. In fact, after re-reading the article, I see absolutely nothing to suggest that the shooter used a handgun at all. Could have been a shotgun. Rifle. Assault rifle. Machine gun.
Or, as others have already pointed out, lacking a gun, the same results could have been achieved with any number of common household items.
RealityBitesAndHurts - Actually, New Jersey is a "may issue" state with regard to concealed carry permits. But hand guns are not banned in the state.
I hope this little bit of reality did not bite too hard.
Miker - I wouldn't quarrel with that assessment, at least not with regard to this particular incident. But whenever you hear of a mass-shooting spree, such as the West Virginia incident from a couple of years ago, I challenge you to tell me how a single person, unschooled in the use of explosives, could have attained such a high body count without use of a gun.
I would also suggest that a great many of the impulse shootings, where a neighbor simply takes out a gun and shoots somebody over the dog doing its business in his yard, that if that person had to resort to a knife or a bat, he would think twice before proceeding, especially if his victim is 6'4" and weighs 240 lbs.
Ban idiots. And encourage people who want to shoot someone else and commit suicide to do the suicide first.
And outside, the clean up is much easier
If we could ban idiots we'd lose a lot of people but we'd still come out ahead. The question is how does this happen in a state where guns are so tightly regulated they are all but outlawed. Don't gun laws work?
For all the pinheads claiming that the second amendment is less relevant today because of semi-automatic firearms, law abiding citizens still have the need to protect themselves, and remember, when seconds count the police are only minutes away.
Ban handguns!
@ Duane Boyer: For the record, the country was in a world of hurt before Obama. He inherited a country that was the way it is. Had you followed his election you would have heard the reports constently saying that his administration would have the hardest time because of the way the replublicans, namely Goerge Bush Jr and Sr and Ronald Reagan had led the country for years before. Obama is strying to undo the situation, and most people in DC refuse to undo the programs that are destroying the government because they are still making millions off of supporting those same programs. @ EVERYONE else!!! As for guns and gun laws, I am retired military (7th Cavalry/US Army), my son wasMilitary Policeman in the Navy, he was murdered not 60 days after coming home from Guam to our homestate of NJ, by masked robbers breaking in the house. How do gun laws stop criminals from attaining any type of weapon? Your local drug dealer is not buying his glock from the gun store. He is attaining his weapon illegally. The gun laws only make it hard for law abiding people to attain the same type of fire power. Not saying that restrictions don't help, but the umbrella doesn't stop it from raining, it just lessens how wet your gonna get when it rains..
The 2d Amendment is even MORE relevant because of assault rifles. I want to be as well armed as the average infantry soldier. That was the point of the 2d Amendment. Yes, the military has tanks and planes and bombs and mortars, etc. etc. etc. But, at the end of the day, even Syria has proven unwilling to wage outright warfare on its own citizens. It all boils down to the citizens being able to mount a defense against their own government and its troops. Also consider that American military troops, like those in most countries, would "defect" in droves - bringing many of the bigger weapons systems to the side of the citizens in that event. An unlikely scenario? One would hope. But, an armed citizenry helps keep it unlikely.
Thanks to all of you who sent notes to my personal e-mail threatening me with your guns, for referring to "gun fanatics." I rest my case.
@ Deborah, that is a shame! What a bunch of idiots! They don't have the intellect to debate the issue, instead they threaten you! Nice!
Sorry to hear that Deborah.
When those people respond with such blind hatred towards somebody who doesn't like guns it makes one question their mental stability and whether or not they should have guns.
And then they just prove your point.
Although I don't necessarily agree with you, it's a difference of opinion and that's all.
Deborah -
good luck getting rid of all of them. Giving more power to people who are willing to break the law to get guns is in fact an indirect way of creating hell for the innocent. Luckily you will be there with us. Just remember, roomie: I call dibs on the top bunk!
What's the weather like in your fantasy world these days? Not even countries that have banned guns are without gun violence. Take the UK for example. Handguns and Semis are generally banned. You can own a shotgun for hunting or targets if you have a special permit. People with criminal records have no chance in hell of obtaining one and not even all police officers carry them. Yet their are plenty of stories in the news about gun violence. In fact, gun violence has INCREASED in the last decade. Don't believe me? Try actually pulling your head out and reading: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+uk/uk
I challenge you to go to a dodgy part of London where gangs the frequent and ask the locals how they feel about not being empowered to protect themselves! But to hell with them, right?
Face it, regardless of how many laws are written there will always be bad guys who can get a gun if they really want to, for any reason. Whether it's because they run drugs or are pissed at their estranged spouse, they can make it happen. Speaking of drugs - have you heard yet that they are illegal too? And I only have to make one phone call if I wanted some Mary-Jane. Imagine how much worse border violence will be when there is high demand from criminals for firearms.
And since you are so hell-bent on playing the victim on this forum let me enlighten you on another point. Usually when you offend an entire group of people (without considering responsible gun owners) by telling them to go to hell you won't get very nice responses. It's easy to act tough when you can hide behind the computer. Try doing that to someone's face and you'll be lucky if it's just a threat you get in return!
Joanne and MB -
Quit coddling the hypocrite! You talk about hatred when it was her own hatred and generalizations towards law abiding citizens who've done nothing to her that started this whole thing. If you don't want hatred directed towards you, then don't put it out there into the world. Why don't you write her a sympathy note the next time she spits into the wind too??
Wow, Lolly, you really sound like a sane and balanced person with the above statement!
if you consider yourself a responsible gun owner and law abiding citizen, then her "gun fanatic" quote doesn't really apply to you - so why are you so ticked?
and the sympathy comes from the vehement and rage filled rants against her for having an opinion. if you are sane and rational you use logic and reasoning to dispute her statements, not insults.
This is so sad to read about the shooting. I don't think banning handguns would help. I would question the motive of the shooter and his mental state. He must have been very set on revenge. Shooting the infant was a riduculous thing to do.
DUH !!!!!!! what do you think his frame of mind was.. Like I said in todays world you need to be careful who you run your mouth to . remember there are 312,000 ( that's not a real number ) SOB'S that have nowhere to turn & are at the end of their rope. We all know what happens when you back a dog in to a corner. He comes out fighting. Man's the same way. He won't just lay down & starve . I agree it's sad but you will see a lot more of this as it gets worst. That's right we have not seen the bottom of this yet Give people a chance & maybe it will change but it will be 10 years down the road before we can change Obama's dip S#@T ways. Alot will die between now & then.
You should be careful when you run your mouth because you obviously have NO idea what the hell you are talking about. GW Bush got us into this mess by lying us into 2 wars (not paid for) Medicare part D (not paid for) tax cuts for the rich (not paid for) Where do you think the majority of this trillion dollar debt came from? GW Chucklenuts, not Obama genius. I suggest you watch something else besides FOX News, or read something other than the comic books. (I'm assuming you can read) Who knows, you might learn something real.
Mary, really? This is George Bush's fault? It's Bush's fault that that person chose to get his gun and shoot people? Really?? Please come into reality with the rest of us, okay?
When you have obviously NO idea what the hell you are saying you shouldn't run your mouth is right... Remember the Dems controlled both the House and Senate that allowed Bush to do whatever he did. I'm no Bush fan boy, but get your facts straight. Some kind of vote was required for all of your examples, and the Dems voted for them. (I watched them do it live) If you want to tell me they fell for lies...that just means they weren't smart enough to use the contacts they had to find out first.
Don't be a lapdog for any party...use your head and think for yourself.
What the hell does this have to do with politics? This was a domestic/divorce situation, according to the article. Those have been going on since before Obama or Bush were even born. The only thing the government has to do with this situation is that the courts tend to exaccerbate a bad situation by continuing to make bad custody and support decisions. These drive parties into desperation - especially when a non-custodial parent may be told to "get a job and pay support or go to jail" in this economic environment.
Given some of the child support orders and custody orders I've heard being issued by the courts, it's a little hard for me to believe that this isn't a daily occurence lately. I'm surprised custodial parents AND judges (and "family law" attorneys) aren't being shot down by the dozens. (And, BTW, I say this as a custodial parent, one who gets the bare minimum of child support - and still watches his back.)
Not a damn thing. But a lot of people really hate Obama and a lot of people still really hate Bush, and they have to get it out of their system somewhere.
At least they're not shooting anybody.
There is only one use for guns -- to kill people. Now, close your eyes and picture what the body of an infant looks like after being blasted by a gun. Rest in peace, little angel. Go to hell, all you gun fanatics.
I have three other uses:
Hunting, target, and self-defense
I'll be the one in the corner holding target practice Deborah. I'll see you when you get there.
Really, have you ever actually seen a handgun, or held one, or better yet, fired one? How can it be that the "only use is to kill people" yet millions of law abiding citizens use them every day without anyone getting hurt. How about the FACT that legally owned handguns are actually used to STOP crime more often than they are to commit crime. You are just as ignorant as the people who used to think that having dark skin made you commit crimes. Grow up you ignorant moron.
Would you say ban all knives if he stabbed them and the baby to death or bludgeoned them with a bat. Ran over them in a car, stangled or blown up. A gun makes it easy but as you can see its not the only way.
It's your right that your talking about ding dong.We're not all boring hermits like you.You go to hell,freak.
Move to a country that has banned guns.
Miss Deborah Cox - I would like to hear of your proposal to do away with firearms in this country. If you can come up with a solution, I would like to hear about it and live by it and help enforce it. It won't work. What would you propose to do about the 1,600,000 deaths by drunk drivers (since 1948), which is far, far more than the number killed by firearms. Think about that problem. The Volstead Act (Prohibition) did not work and neither will an outright ban on firearms in private ownership. Look at all of the countries whose citizens were slaughtered (by the government's army of teenage thugs in Cambodia for example) after a total firearms ban by the government. The Second Amendment was not to allow us to own guns for hunting, or to protect ourselves from home invaders or other thugs, or from terrorists who invade our country. It was to allow us to protect ourselves from our own government.
DEB
i can close my eyes and see what a crazy ass man did with a gun to the infant.
i also can see what he could have done with a Hammer, Knife, axe, shovel, screw driver, frying pan, rope, plastic bag, chain saw, baseball bat, and bare hands.(just to name a few)
So why don't you shut your trap and work on getting these items band also.
You anti gun people have the narrowest minds.
The first problem Deb is that you have to close your eyes to see anything, you must go to the eye doctor now because your eyes are functioning backwards.
Think about the taliban and how they plan the deaths of our soldiers and civilians without the use of a gun.
The world is a cruel place and we are going to have to deal with it.
So Deb when you decide to crawl out of the bubble maybe you and I can go down to the shooting range together and i can show you how to properly handle a gun!
to above posters:
Knives, hammers, axes, shovels, rope, etc all have practical applications. If you hunt because you have no money for food, then yes, you also have a practical application. Automobiles do have a practical application also, drinking might have pain killing and/or sedative effects. Drunk drivers... no excuse.
So, do we really need guns? No. Until we have good "quality" mental health care, this stuff, unfortunately, will continue.
Rick, 2 out of the 3 "other uses" you cite involve killing with a gun. I have to agree with Deborah. Gun fanatics like to refer to only the last part of the second ammendment.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
Times have changed, and my opinion is that the second ammendment is no longer relevant. Most people don't need to have a gun, and a great number of people shouldn't be allowed to have one.
Deborah = TROLL!
Julie it is the second amendment being relevant today that keeps the other nine amendments relevant. If you prefer it any other way please, feel free to get the hell out of my country!
Fortunately Julie, that's not for you to decide. Personally, I think it would be a disaster if people were not allowed to bear arms. How would individuals protect themselves and others? Perhaps if someone else in that house had had a gun, he/she would have stopped this monster from shooting that child.
Believer 123, so what you're saying is that you believe that we all need to be armed to form a well regulated militia? Please read the ammendment! You cannot pick and choose from it.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
As it's written and ratified, the second part of that sentence cannot stand alone. I can't stand it when people run to the second ammendment when issues of gun control come up. Can you or anyone else HONESTLY claim that you own a gun in order to form a well regulated militia? If you can't, the 2nd ammendment doesn't apply to you. You may legally own a firearm, but don't claim you do under rights provided you in the 2nd ammendment.
Deborah, I really want to call you out in a very unfreindly manner, but instead, I will try to explain to you that handguns are not the problem here. Let's just imagine for a minute, that all guns suddenly disappeared. Do you think this would have affected this mans behavior? Not likely! He would have simply picked up a kitchen knife, club, lamp or maybe used his bare hands to kill these people, including the infant!
On the other hand, with guns in the picture, perhaps it could have been different, had one of the victims had the opportunity to have a gun, hand gun or otherwise. Perhaps they could have defended themselves.
I think people are over-reacting to Deborah's comment. She's talking about "gun fanatics" not somebody who owns a gun, locks it up, is mentally sound, etc. How many times do you hear about people who keep numerous loaded guns in their home, and don't hunt or have any other real use for them other than fanatical obsession?
Although I don't think guns should be banned, one does wonder how many shootings occur because somebody was angry and the gun was easily accessible. My father used to want to have a gun, and one day he made my mother so angry she said "if there was a gun in this house I would shoot you right now" and that ended my father's gun talk permanently.
Often people commit murders with guns and would not do it with a knife or axe because you can murder from a distance using a gun and there is some emotional separation from the act.
Just sayin'
mb; Who the hell are you? How can you proclaim what is in someone else's mind?
'...feel free to get the hell out of my country!'
America belongs to all americans! Who do you think you are suggesting someone else should leave the country because their opinion differs from your own? Your statement works both ways; you too are 'free to get the hell out of my country!'
I don't profess to know what's in somebody else's mind - I am simply expressing an opinion based on observation and numerous professional observations about crimes and the manner in which they are committed.
I am also talking about my interpretation of Deborah's comments just as everyone else has their own interpretation of her comments - some of which seem outrageously over the top imo.
Funny thing Deb, MANY would-be killers have been taken down before harming anyone. I'm gonna give you ONE guess as to how that happened...a gun!!!! A person's right to protect themselves as well as their families should not be taken away. I have my gun in my room and sleep well every night knowing if I needed to protect my kids, someone's going down!
We can't stop crazy. As someone else wrote, this man could have done this twenty different ways. And no, I wouldn't want to picture an infant with a gun shot. Just as I wouldn't want to picture one with a knife, a hammer, an ax, a baseball bat, a candlestick, a brick, a hatchet, are you getting the picture here Deb? Don't be so naive.
mb
My guns are in a safe at home. But we have enough and actively use them enough to be considered "fanatics". How does that play into your little theory?
Lolly - you have them in a safe - not easily grabbed in a moment of rage. That's how that plays into my theory.
I think people's vehement rage against Deb's comments indicate how fanatical they are. It's a difference of opinion on guns - but people are practically crucifying her for her opinion as if she were some sort of child killer, eg.
For the record, I do not think guns should be banned (as I've already mentioned). I don't know what the answer is..... banning guns won't solve the problem, and we don't know if the victims had guns and maybe it didn't help them. There are some statistics about how many people are harmed by their own guns when they try to use them in self defense.
There certainly should be training and education (maybe even mental/emotional evaluation) before people are permitted to own them.
Also, I am quite aware that most criminals use illegal weapons to commit crimes so my above comments don't really apply to them.
Deborah is proof that your heart can be in the right place without your brain necessarily following.
MB -
I beg you, ask Santa for a dictionary for Christmas. You seem to be making up your own definitions for words like "fanatic" and "opinion".
fanatic [fəˈnætɪk]
n
1. a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits
2. Informal a person devoted to a particular hobby or pastime; fan a jazz fanatic
I own NINE guns, including an AR-15 rifle, a shot gun and 2 racing Guns. Seeing as I own more firearms than that of a normal person I fit the description of "fanatic". The definition in no way includes "irresponsible" in it, which is exactly how you are interpreting it based on your defense of Deborah.
o·pin·ion (-pnyn)
n.
1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert
There is no way the comment "Go to hell" implies a judgement, a belief and certainly not knowledge or an expertise. YOu are confusing the word opinion with "insult"
in·sult (n-slt)
v.
1.
a. To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness. See Synonyms at offend.
b. To affront or demean: an absurd speech that insulted the intelligence of the audience.
2. Obsolete To make an attack on.
Telling someone to go to hell because of what they show enthusiasm for is most definitely a rude, contemptuous attack. It does not express a belief. And just because you don't like guns yourself, it doesn't mean people who are like minded get a green light to be insulting. Seems like you hold a biased opinion yourself.
Lolly, everyone who is not an expert has a "biased opinion" and even some experts do.
Do you think it is appropriate to send death threats to somebody's email based on a post in a forum, regardless of whether you find the post insulting or not?
I did not defend Deborah's comments, in fact I stated that I disagreed with her.
I only think it is extremely pathetic that so many responses are filled with rage and hatred - those kinds of responses seem to indicate a lack of emotional balance and reasoning. Those are DEFINITELY the kinds of people who shouldn't own guns.
I don't pretend to be balanced - but I don't own a gun.
Clearly you are not so infantile in your thought that you assume the weapon used was the mastermind behind the crime. Certainly you understand the logistics of how a firearm works. Some individual has to actually physically manipulate the firearm. Ban idiots that cry the "ban guns" rhetoric every time a crime occurs in which a firearm was used. firearms or some version of projectile armament have been around for an extremely long time.
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.
My thoughts and prayers are with the grieving family. Sounds like that poor baby was spared an upbringing in hostility and god took him/her early.
I agreed with your comment, right up until you said god took them.
I don't think god pulled the trigger!
To Deborah Cox: Guns don't kill people or anything else. People kill people with guns, knives, cars, bricks, baseball bats, hammers and any other tool that comes to hand. If nothing simpler presents itself as a tool then they use rope, wire , their own hands or just about anything else that is handy. Murders are always a tragedy...especially of innocent children. Suicides are only sad for the survivors left behind by the selfish person who took the easy way out. People such as yourself, and I'm guessing that you are a liberal who has not yet learned how to engage anything but emotion when you make decisions, complicate and make these situations much sadder by demanding that the tools be banned rather than the culprits being appropriately punished. You would leave everyone defenseless against that segment of society who make their living by creating victims. Rest assured that, no matter the regulatory policy, the animals among us would still have guns if and when the wanted them. You can choose to depend on the police(and I was one for 27 years) to defend you and, as much as they would like to do so, they will usually get there in time to draw a chalk line around your body and start wondering who did the deed to you. That's not a place I want anyone I care for to be. I want them to maintain the right to protect themselves so, my dear, it is you who may go to hell...and Godspeed.
That is because libs thrive on the victim mentality. Without it libs would fade from the scene and cease to exist.
It's pretty sad to see both sides arguing (mostly) about guns. Who cares?! Murders has happened here people and that of a young one too. I don't care if it's a gun, knife, bat, a giant mushroom. I don't care. All I read is a life of an infant being wasted away and the deaths of people. Being a 20 years male, it's pretty sad to see people using this as an agenda to promote 'their side'. Can't we all just see this as a tragic and not something to argue about something so pointless? Neither sides is going to convince one another, so why not start with paying respect?
Mouzie,
Don't forget one was a suicide
If the three other people would have been carrying we might only be reading about 2 people being killed
Brilliant!
Let's arm infants!
Get your child the Baby KillOMatic- complete with 30 round clip!
Sorry bad math.
Hartvig Lein you are a moron. biggest CLIP will only hold 10 rounds, you ment to say MAGAZINE. learn something before you post stupidity.
The hundred round drums are on backorder!dammit
So peter...
In my response to a post that advocates arming infants (in all fairness I will stipulate that what it really means is that the person making the comment hadn't read the article- but still, worded as it is and in connection to the above article, you can take away no other meaning) your oh-so-eloquent reaction is to call me "a moron" and "stupid" for getting the terminology wrong.
I take it from your response then that you and the 5 people who liked it that you are all in agreement with the original idea of arming infants.
I'll bet you were really something on the debate team. Or wouldn't they let you go armed?
And, by the way, it's "meant", not "ment".
Hartvig Von Jackass
if you have all the brains then please use them some were else.
Maybe if the victims were armed, they wouldn't have ended up victims.
Exactly!!! Give that infant an AK-47 instead on a rattle!!!
Bet it's a black female who is 100% on welfare and just has babies so she can live for free without ever working and she went after the baby-daddy for child support.
He didn't want to pay anything because it was a one night stand and, of course, she wanted to keep the baby so she could live off of welfare for decades.
I'm thinking you are trolling but here goes.
The police reported the a female outside with a gunshot spoke limited English. I'm thinking not a black family or at least not an American Black family
Source "Fox News"
Pretty sure that mtr is just being a troll, and a tasteless, racist one at that.
Dude you need to chill on the racist remarks.
Say something like
Bet it was female ghetto trash.
Ghetto Trash has no color.
although trailer trash is predominantly white and are usually racist. Hint Hint.
Many of the world's countries have handgun bans and far fewer murders. It is hard to imagine many people hunting with handguns.
Ever since guns were banned in the UK, knife crime has skyrocketed and become a bigger problem than guns ever were.
then why dont you move there?? wtf hunting got to do with anything??? if we follow your stupidity then why do we have cars that go faster then 50 mph?? not many people race. why let gay get married? they cant make children. why are you not an abortion??? not every village needs an idiot.
Not sure who you were talking to petergriffin, but I have moved to the UK, I miss my guns, and I laugh at people when they think banning anything is the answer because it's a typical knee jerk reaction that does nothing to solve any real issues.
takenaka, there are some really nice handgun set up for hunting. .357 mag., 44 mag. etc.
i was talking to moron takenaka
OK, I need more coffee. :P
Ultimately, though, I think that yogi said it best at the top of the page.
takenaka Why don't you ask Mexico about how their ban is working? Their murder by gun rate is 3 times that of the USA. Strangely Washington DC has a VERY strict handgun law and yet they are near the top in per capita death by handgun. OK I know your argument will be they got the guns in other states and were illegal in DC. Criminals DO break the law. Drinking and driving is illegal, illicit drugs are well just that illegal.
I don't have the stats, and tired of looking them up for others, but how many shootings are committed with legal vs illegal guns? Cite your site please. There are roughly 9000 deaths by gun a year in the USA so your numbers need to be near that value. I don't know if that includes police officers shooting people or not.
trust,
you DO know there is drug wars going on in Mexico? I believe that would be the reason for that much gun violence.
Yes Mexico has strict gun laws that's why the drug cartels come to the USA to buy them
And what does a "drug war" have to do with banning guns? The USA has a drug war going on also. That's not the topic.
Hand guns are generally BANNED in Mexico. It is ILLEGAL to purchase any gun anywhere except ONE store run by the military in Mexico City. The CRIMINALS are happy it is illegal to own a gun. That way they KNOW their victims are unable to defend themselves.
trust,
so that's why many cops in Mexico get killed? Their guns are legal. And I don't think you can compare the drug war in Mexico with the one in USA. The drug lords victims BTW are usually other drug lords. Just saying. (MHO)
justthefax,
Tell that to all the dead illegals (ok migrants not quite here yet), addicts in rehab and mayors. At over 8000 dead a year I would think that most of the drug lords would be dead by now if it was mostly gangsters, and who would really CARE if that were true? Unfortunately pray and spray is more likely to hit a bystander than the intended target.
Then again are you saying it doesn't matter someone is getting killed if they are a criminal? Or only so long as it isn't someone the majority sees as a good guy?
The Washington Post now reports a 5th person being treated with non-life-threatening injuries. Soon we will have some answers
Brown people with guns ... poor baby ... sad
There's no cure for evil, and people being hellbent on destroying lives and family, protecting yourself and family from this should be one's highest priority. In most cases law enforcement arrives just in time to put up yellow tape and call it a crime scene.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
Men don't require a gun (firearm) to kill women or kids. How would you choose to die, by gunshot or by baseball bat ? Knife ? Rope ?
"So 'little dog' and 'bastard star' are dead!"
-Wilson Picket, The Bando Report, New Jersey
Public Journal.I have a handgun I bought for the sole purpose of shooting out auto windows. It's much easier.
Part of my "green" business is recycling junk cars. The side windows need to be broken out. Anyone that has done this knows how hard some are. A handgun gets the job done.
Opps: there goes that bull chit statement, (handguns are ONLY for killing people).
Gunz er great. 2nd mendment sez so. i likes de-evlotutionary laws ta get stretched so more guns can be in the street. More guns i sez
as always - duh nra
grampasimpson.. how's Bart? I KNOW you are trolling but what copy of the 2nd amendment do you have? Instead of trolling why don't you use your time and energy doing something constructive. At least make a statement or post sarcasm that is funny.
Hey gramps troll much?
Another story reported by the new kid in the office who makes $9.50 an hour and couldn't write a detailed story if his life depended on it.
Couple of observations ...
Firstly - Most normal people would react to the news of people, especially an infant dying, with some amount of sadness and concern. But at newsvine it seems people are more interested in debating the gun policy.
Secondly - I know people are very passionate about owning guns in this country and consider it as an essential freedom or perhaps even a vital component of the American identity, but killing someone with a gun is not the same as killing someone with a baseball bat or knife or any other weapon. The later two are much more personal. The murderer needs to get physically closer to the victim and literally get his hands dirty in order to kill with a baseball bat or knife. He probably needs to be physically stronger too to grapple with the victim at close quarters.
So I do think that banning guns or making them difficult to acquire would definitely prevent most everyday people from committing murder in a fit of rage. Obviously the criminals would not be deterred by it
MrIndia. I posted above a challenge to "Takenaka". Give me the real numbers of how many people are killed with legal vs illegal guns.
Yes it is SAD that anyone was killed, and especially an infant. In another article they have on msnbc they note that Black Friday had RECORD sales of guns for a single day. Getting rid of legal guns is NOT going to happen any time in the lives of the grandchildren of anyone alive today. 47% of American households have at least one gun.
Banning legal possession of guns will only make more criminals and lead to ALL murders with guns being done with "illegal" weapons. Criminal don't follow the law so all it will lead to is people unable to defend themselves. When seconds matter the police are only a phone call away.
I do not know how many but all you would do is stop new people from getting guns, unless you want to steal one,oh yes they will always have guns, why nog have GOD protect the children. ha ha no GOD
Ever seen a uniformed cop get mugged?
Gee: Maybe it's because the mugger KNOWS the cop is armed.
No, I think it's because of the nicely tailored uniform and the fact that they are public servants making slightly more than minimum wage.
So, all those people that were recently robbed and killed while seeking employment had more money in their pockets? LOL
Ever seen a uniformed cop get mugged?
No but I've read about them being gunned down en-masse.
Naw, I think it's because of the total respect criminals have for cops. Just like they will respect all the unarmed citizens if the anti-gun nutjobs were to ever get their way and disarm the law abiding citizens.
Yea, there is absolutely no connection between guns and gun deaths...
One less legal gun owner killed by the weapon purchased to protect the family it killed.........
Oh so you know for a fact that protection is the reason he purchased the gun? Where does it say that? It must be nice to know the intent of every stranger you read about in the news.
Somebody has lost their ever loving mind,if there is an armed idiot trying to break in to my house,I dont want to be sitting there waiting on him with a knife in my hand. Dont call the police because they are not going to help without a gun. God made all men but Sam Colt Made all men equal!