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Dozens of demonstrators from Pennsylvania occupy the office of Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., during a "Take Back the Capitol" protest in the Hart Senate Office Building Tuesday.
By plane, train and bus, thousands of activists are converging on Washington, D.C. this week to “Take Back Our Capitol.” Though the pilgrimage borrows the some of the language of the Occupy protests, and includes a contingent of those activists, the crowd hails largely from nonprofits and political organizations.
"We came to tell members of Congress that they should represent the 99 percent not just corporations and the 1 percent," said Colleen Bugarske, 59, a volunteer from West Los Angeles with MoveOn.org, a national nonprofit political advocacy group.
For R.L Miller — a blogger and mom who runs a law practice in Oak Park, Calif. — the experience seems to highlight what activists have said is wrong: that government is disconnected from the people.
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She boarded a plane at 5 a.m. Monday to join the three days of political action in the nation's capital. On Tuesday, with about 15 other activists from the Los Angeles nonprofit Good Jobs LA and an allied group from New York, she showed up around 12:30 p.m. at the Washington office of Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., who represents Ventura County, where Miller lives. For about two hours, they knocked on the locked door every five minutes, trying to meet with Gallegly or at least schedule a meeting with him.
Staffers and other people came and went, but the door remained locked to activists standing in the hall. They were told, they said, that the Gallegly was not there — that he was on a flight into D.C. to take part in a vote. Later, however, he emerged from a side door and headed for the elevators with a security escort.
Before he could leave — and after proving to Gallegly that she lives in his district — Miller was able to ask him a question: “What are you doing for the poor and unemployed in our area?”
The congressman said he had given hundreds of toys to needy children over the weekend, said Miller and other activists. Then he wished them a merry Christmas.
"I said, 'I'm a constituent. Can I have a meeting with you this week?'" says Miller. To that, she says Gallegly replied: "I just gave you that meeting by wishing you a merry Christmas."
Then the elevator doors closed.
The activists remained stationed outside Gallegly’s office door after he left, but Miller’s repeated calls to his staff did not result in an appointment with the congressman.
Rep. Gallegly's office did not return calls from msnbc.com before the end of the business day Tuesday.
Miller noted that, by contrast, other congressional offices on the hallway appeared to be open for business. Some groups of activists were successful gaining entry to congressional offices — if not to have their concerns heard by representatives or staffers, then to hold sit-ins.
Miller said she had several concerns that she wanted to air. She wanted to ask him to support the renewable energy industry and to be more accessible to his constituents.
“I’ve lived in his district for 18 years,” she says. “He has been in Congress the whole time I’ve been there … He hardly shows his face around Ventura County.”
To be sure, many of the activists with Miller weren't from Gallegly's district.
“We’re standing in solidarity because … this is something that crosses state lines, something that affects all of us,” said Cara Noel, an activist who joined from United New York, a nonprofit that aids working-class people. “Because this is something we are all going through as part of the 99 percent. If people put (him) into office, they should be able to come and talk with him.”
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You guys are the greatest American Heroes of all time... thank you, thank you! You make my heart swell with pride!
If you need a house to occupy in a couple months.. look me up!
That says it all.....coming from a "national noprofit political advocacy group". I wonder how much taxpayer dollars they are receiving.
Yep, just contact that group, and you will get YOUR FREE HOUSE.
Per the article: 'Gallegly replied: "I just gave you that meeting by wishing you a merry Christmas."' What a BS thing to say to one of your constituents! That's low, even for a POS politician!
Oh yeah, Kevin, you'll need to get in line bub. I'll need them to occupy my pad in the next couple of weeks. I WOULD have added an LOL after that, except it's no laughing matter to me anymore.
Go Occupy!! The majority of the 99% and 1% are behind you!!!
Really? I don't have time to pay attention to this bull@!$%#. I'm too busy job hunting, which these douches won't find sitting around protesting a lame-assed, non winnable theme.
Now if you were showing up with a big check for his campaign chest............THAT would be different. Congre$$ is about one thing and it isn't representing people.
Y'know, this sort of lawlessness isn't going to get them anything but handcuffs and a rap sheet, but...I think these lawmakers are also being idiots. The quickest way to get the squatters out is to actually LISTEN, a skill that most politicians sorely lack.
@ Catsclaw - "Here, here" to the LISTENING part. Voted.
@ OBX - right on, also voted.
I sure hope good things come from this. The ability to protest and express concerns like this is the foundation of our country. We need to get back to a government by the people.
Finally a target that we can influence and is actually obligated to serve the people.
To Catsclaw, since when is it illegal for a constituent to request a meeting with his or her congressman? It should be illegal for a congressman to refuse!
@catsclaw
They were not lawless.
Geez, how many times is MSNBC going to run this crap about these misfits and their lame protest? The great majority of us are nauseatingly sick of it and wish they'd go get a job and strat pulling their weight. It's not Washington's.....or anybody else's....fault; it's their own lack of ambition and initiative.
My congressman has been doing his level best to promote legislation that will serve the people -- not only the people in his district, but the American people as a whole.
He has even worked with the 'other side' to come up with proposals that have at least a chance of passing. He does not need to be replaced. He needs to be listened to.
He consistently holds town meetings in our district. Lots of people -- with divergent views -- show up for those meetings, and he listens to everyone. He responds to them honestly. If he disagrees with you he tells you so -- and tells you why.
Back in the summer, I was a part of a group demonstrating at his office in our district. We were invited into the office and he made time between sessions to video conference with us.
He and I see eye-to-eye on most things, though not all. When I have written to him I have always received a personal response, although it does take him some time because he does that for all his constituents.
We need to be careful to thank the legislators who do respect us, who do listen to us, who are on our side. It is all too easy to say "Throw the bums out," not differentiating between those who really are the bums and those who are truly representing us.
This is how power has confused people into believing that members of Congress aren't supposed to meet with their constituents, that it's illegal to ask for an appt! "You're just a person, I'm elected to talk to Corporate People." You should have tried giving him $15, which is what Republicans are charging now to attend their town meetings!
Real hero's know Real solutions to Real problems. It's not even a stretch to call these people hero's.
couple of comments on this thread....
--first of all - you're right on, kevin! Wish I could help by being there, but hopefully supporting them in spirit is good too :-)
---next, catsclaw, i hope you were being facetious about the lawlessness....and for those of you that think catsclaw is right that it's against the law for these people to go to DC to talk to their Congresspeople, try reading that "Constitution" that you like thumping so much about "gun rights", etc and read the part about the "right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." I know you like to skip that over because you're so eager to get to the second amendment (aka Bill of Rights), but the first amendment is pretty important, too.
---and finally (and possibly most importantly) to Spider-8675309 or whatever - l2read - the article clearly states that the woman that was most talked about in the article runs a law firm...let me restate that - she doesn't just work there, she RUNS a law firm....hello??? is anyone listening? a LOT of these people actually have jobs, they're just fed up - some are fed up with 'corporate America', some are fed up with the shrinking middle class, some are fed up with their perception that their elected officials are not representing 'the people', some are fed up with all of it.....just because you don't agree, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legitimate concern...and I would argue that you sound a lot like Rep. Gallegy - and now that I have listened to what YOU have to say, I wish you a Merry Christmas.....
There is a protocol on this. Pelosi and a few others have had people removed from time to time.
I can guarantee if Elizabeth Warren was in office and knew the activists were coming to visit she probably would have had a catered a lunch waiting and spent as much time needed to discuss all concerns.
The sentiment here is great, but what they appear to be lacking is a cohesive plan. What we need are systemic changes to correct the problems that have allowed our Congress to get to this point. The American Overhaul Act (www.americanoverhaulact.org) proposes a set of amendments to do just that:
These changes will go a long way toward fixing all of the problems in the current system, thereby allowing members of our Congress to begin to focus on the needs and desires of the majority of Americans as opposed to a few wealthy organizational contributors. I urge everyone to check out the full text of the Act at www.americanoverhaulact.org. And, if you like these proposals show your support on the site and share it with your friends, family, and state and federal representatives.
Yes there is. If the Member or Staff believe they are threatened by violence or the demonstrators prevent the office from conducting Congressional business the staff can request they be removed. Other than that...not so much.
What a rude a**hole. How condescending of him. Wouldn't meet with her and made some smart comment. We have got to change the laws to get them out of there...no more life long congress. I am sick of this. I wish I could be there. I feel powerless. We are powerless it seems. I vote yet there are things we can't vote on. These jerks need to start listening to the PEOPLE. We are supposed to be the Government. I wish I knew the answer. It is infuriating.
Well, finally the folks are going to where the protests need to be...Washington DC. Hanging out in parks and smoking dope and getting laid do not a protest make, nor do lawmakers take such actions seriously. When you go to their turf, get in their face and make your presence known, then they pay attention. Now what needs to happen is a list of demands, starting with term limits and making the 'lawmakers' live by the laws which they force on the rest of us. Then they need to make demands that the rules and regulations covering banking and Wall Street trading be altered to regulate derivatives and other such means of trade, remove the government as the fall back when they fail, give the SEC real teeth and force them to enforce the regulations....well, you get the drift.
Asking for student loan forgiveness or demanding that they be 'given' something at taxpayer expense is not the answer, we have enough entitlement mentality as it is, what we need is for the playing field to be fair...I know its too much to ask but wouldn't it be great to end the Fed and force the congress to follow the constitutional mandate to coin our own money. Note how often depressions and economic problems happen when a central bank gets control of the money.
What a true indicator of the caliber Congress, we currently have serving. Yes, it's great if there are some who truly are working for the people and trying to work across party lines but, that seems to be lacking in much of Washington. What has been shown here is that the entire staff lied about him not being in the office. He failed his constituent by failing to listen to what they had to say, and the rudeness that he displayed. Yes folks, Congress is bought and paid for by that 1% and corporations. I myself can only hope and pray that come next November, the American people begin to show these politicians that it will no longer be tolerated and vote them all out of office.
There are so many issues and problems that need to be addressed in this nation and all these politicians are concerned about right now is getting home for the holidays. I'm glad that they can celebrate, a lot of families in this country don't have the means to. There will be no presents under the Christmas tree, heck in a lot of cases there won't be a tree or perhaps even a home to put one in. We have jobs lost, homes lost, finances gone and they want to celebrate. It truly shows how out of touch with reality they really are.
We have individuals and corporations that are buying everything they want. We have executives getting paid huge sums of money in return for outsourcing jobs, eliminating jobs, and doing everything they can just to make a buck. Then,when they do, the profits don't go back to the shareholders of the company they go to exorbitant compensation packages for executives.
We have people dying because they don't have health insurance. We have children not receiving an adequate education, we have public servants and teachers who give everyday only to have to go out and get 2nd jobs just to make it, and we have families that go hungry because we don't have jobs available; to this our Congress thinks nothing of it.
Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves over the complete injustice that is occurring and destroying our nation. Patrick Henry said that "United we stand, divided we fall"; well we are falling. This isn't about a redistribution of wealth. This isn't about free handouts for everyone so they don't have to pull their own weight. This is about things being fair and our nation not being able to be bought out so that it can be ruled by only a few. Inherently, the vast majority of people want to work and are willing to pull their weight. Inherently, most people want to be good and to give to others. Inherently, most people will give more than they get and that is what has made this country so great in the past. But now, it is becoming to much about oneself.
Though I don't advocate any violence, I understand and support what these movements are about. I understand that these people are only trying to look out for what is best for our nation as a whole. I feel that their anger and frustration is more than justified as shown right here in this article.
It astounds me that some people still want to defend what is going on in Washington. That they feel a need to point fingers and blame the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. Well guess what, they could care less about you or me. They will say whatever they have to, to get elected, then it's on to their own agenda and serving themselves. Then, when things go wrong, they blame the other party to pit Americans against each other. This is what they count on! This is how they are able to stay in their positions and can keep taking care of themselves and not the people they serve. Over the past 150 years, both parties have made changes to the platforms repeatedly just to try and reflect what they feel the people want to hear.
Well, it's time we as a people be heard. It's time that "our Congress" start to look at what's best for America, and not a small fraction of the population. We all need each other. Consumers need jobs to spend money to keep businesses going, to help companies keep up a demand for their products and services, and so on, which leads to a stronger economy. This doesn't matter if it is a doctors office that has 5 employees or a corporation that has 300,000.
However, everything comes with a price, nothing is free. Without jobs, how is someone going to provide anything? That's why our deficit continues to grow at such a ridiculous place. Because the Republicans don't want tax hikes and the Democrats feel a need to keep programs in place to help those in need. Somethings got to give and it can be at the expense of our nation or at the expense of all these other nations that are getting the jobs needed to support the people of this country.
I have no problem paying my fair share, I have no problem giving back, I have no problem in helping out those who are down on their luck, and I have no problem doing what is morally and ethically right. But, until more people can say this and it translates into a society that is similar to what made this the "land of opportunity", that my family came immigrated to, our nation as we know it will continue to crumble. We all need each other, perhaps that is what we should all remember especially at this time of the year.
A friend of mine started a web site to try and address problems, issues, and suggestions to make things better in our nation. It has been interesting to read and eye opening in some cases. I want to invite you to visit it and become involved as it's easy to sit and cast stones but, you accomplish more by doing. The web site is: WWW dot FREEDOMISNTFREE2012 dot COM
Happy Holidays
We are witnessing mob rule in action, all orchestrated and financed by shadowy elements that prefer to remain anonymous. This strategy is exactly how the Middle Eastern protests were conducted.
Useful idiots, aren’t they?
I am happy Occupy is targeting Washington DC. They should also have a large contingent outside the White House.
While it makes great PR for Occupy, it is not reasonable to expect anyone to stop what they are doing in the middle of the day for an unannounced meeting. I am not as busy as a congressperson, and usually I will not meet with someone that randomly shows up unannounced at my place of business.If you want to meet with your representative, schedule a meeting. Most of the time they will bend over backwards to meet with you.
A few years back we went to DC for Spring Break. We called our representative's office. She arranged a tour of the capitol building. She came out and met with about 8 of her voters for at least 45 minutes. She could not have been more pleasant and helpful.
If you really want to meet with or communicate with your representative in DC or your state, it is not difficult.
Me thinks this was a publicity stunt and not a serious effort to have a fruitful conversation.
Geez derpy, next you be telling me you believe the claim that it was the mob that had Kennedy killed.
***This gives me a great idea. Let's limit executive compensation in corporations to four times the median pay in their entire business. That could really help the workers, who are in many cases now being squeezed for all they are worth.***
"What a true indicator of the caliber Congress, we currently have serving."
I can give you that. How many of you are aware that "our" government has set up concentration camps for us all across the USA and are taking closed bids on it now with Haliburtons help?
'This concerns the opening of what may be a FEMA detention facility in conjunction with S 1867 The “detention bill”. God help us and our republic.
I am getting the word out to all the military/law enforcement and others I can.'
planet.com/exclusive-government-activating-fema-camps-across-u-s.html
Stay safe and "detention" free all
If they remove it look up FEMA camps across the us on youtube
I don't know why this wasn't a headline story. The movement is expanding everyday, not only in method but in membership.
On the last anniversary march in NY--held in the evening so working people could demonstrate--city councilmen, religious leaders, union leaders (teachers, nurses, etc.). and retired police were arrested along with other activists. Now we see other organizations getting involved like MoveOn.org, advocacy firms, etc.
FOX Noise can try to paint the movement with a wide brush of negativity that resulted from invasion by non-members into encampments, but the real movement represents all races, ages, and backgrounds, mostly middle class people who have jobs. The movement isn't just college students who have to go into debt to afford college, or the unemployed (4 people competing for 1 job), or people who are losing their homes because of crappy health insurance or no insurance, rather it is about ineffectual government and greed that has caused these problems for 99% for the last 30-40 years.
So for those still trying to demean the movement with lies, change will come just the same despite you. Go Occupy!
I agree that this story is bigger than the coverage it gets because access to government and a meaningful voice in the selection of it are imperative. There are many things that require our attention...Health, Energy, Education, Employment, Financial regulation...but I'm beginning to think that we can only get results if we focus on one or two items at a time. I notice that an Amendment to the Constitution has been proposed (by Sen. Sanders and Rep. Deutch who provide an online support page) which would overturn the dreadful 5-4 Citizens United decision, and would be an excellent focal point in my opinion. Our first order of business should be to declare that Corporations are NOT "People", and thus begin to rid ourselves of government by special interests and big money.
Idiots, you voted them in office, vote them out.
That's right, vote them out and some other POS politician in. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
If they have electronic voting, they don't have a vote anyway.
I wonder how long before this becomes a fully fledged race-riot.
uhhh.... would you kindly point out what if anything has to do with race in the article.... much less protests in general?... are you just pulling negative comments out of your tin foil hat now?
Put on your glasses Mire. That is definitely Blue Wool.
Esperanza, this can go several ways, but so far I don't see race as such being the flash-point. I haven't even seen guys like Jackson, Sharpton, Farakkhan, Wright, etc., fanning those flames. In fact, I have heard discusssions on radio of political pundits wondering why not.
Check Esperanza's comment history, and you'll see how ignorant the douche is behind it.
Also FYI: that's not a chick posting.
Good job guys, letting Esperanza get you all sidetracked. Kudo's to her.
Um, these people didn't vote for Toomey. These are sore losers, not crusaders.
Oh if Newt is nominated and especially if he's elected, these will probably grow by a magnitude of 10.
I don't know how to break this to you but one of the women lives in his district. It doesn't matter whether she did or did not vote for him, she is still a constituent and he is obligated to serve as her member of congress. Perhaps you should consider learning more about our government before demonstrating how little you actually know.
This collection of morons has absolutely no clue. Ask any one of them what exactly is meant by “taking
back the capital” and you get a bunch of irrational rubbish, if you get anything at all, and the really amusing part is you get different irrational rubbish from each of them.
It must be really nice to have so much free time on their hands that you can go from one occupy nonsense to another. I suppose actually getting a job is the farthest thing from their little minds. They represent the entitlement generation, losers one and all, and will never have anything that the Government doesn’t provide.
I'm reposting a comment I made in another thread on this article because some numbnut collapsed it....
Sorry if this bothers anyone.,,,
You go Guys,
Now when you find out that knocking on his door won't get you what you want, (to be heard)
You will go the next step, VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.
Protests always start by the disenfranchised voicing their opinion on the street, (or on the web in today's world). Gathering into huge mobs that cause problems with the smooth running of society. (the tactics of gumming up the works). OWS hasn't gathered up a huge mob yet. Huge is starting out with 20k on the first day gaining 70k on the three day march, then having another 30-40k join you at the rally. What happens is the police back off, if they try the billy club routine they get their asses kicked. The discussion goes way beyond the right to peacefully assemble right away. Go back and look at any of the major demonstrations of the '60's or '70's for an example.
The next step, is going after the Government, closing down their offices by sitting in, demanding your right to meet with your representatives. In this stage of protest you learn who is and is not working to their constituents best interests. OWS is currently at the beginning stages of this second protest phase. This is where you see if the protest really has any support from the people. Because if it does you will eventually see tens of thousand people rallying to the cause and shutting down the government. This will really place the risk of government retaliation on the front burner, this is the phase where a protest earns it's respect, shows it courage, and gives truth to the lies. In this stage, the police and national guard will get physical will break heads, this is where the burning cars becomes a tactic. Usually these phases devolve into riots. But it is also where you get the public's attention and force the government to civilly respond and start asking the questions of what do you all REALLY want? Because believe me they do not want to be the ones that call down the Troops on a civil protest. In the '60's they tried that response, and all it did was build the cause into a juggernaut they couldn't stop. But it still didn't get the protesters what they wanted.
The third and final phase of a protest is what I call the beating them at their own game stage. you have established your issue, you have invoked all the patriots visions and rhetoric you can find in the first phase, established your courage and fortitude in the second phase. NOW, you VOTE in your OWN politicians to make the laws you want for you. that's what we finally had to do in the '60's and 70's what happens then is you are now attacking the soft underbelly of the government. you are taking away their cash cow you are actually, removing their power from the source. NOW, at this phase, they will listen as soon as you remove a few of them from office, the higher up in seniority the better. NOW they better not ignore you.
OWS is now entering the second phase, where they really prove that they have what it takes, the real theater starts now...
I wonder if they have learned anything from us old fogeys of the '60's
It's going to be interesting.
Bravo for those Ventura county, Calif. constituent(s) who pursued their Rep. even to see him ducking out a sidedoor to avoid them after remaining locked in his office for a couple of hours just to avoid seeing constituents!!!Did they have guns? Nope. The gentleman from Venture County just didn't wanna be bothered. Maybe if the 2012 election turns out fairly, he won't EVER have to be bothered by constituents again, because he'll be kicked out of office on his ass. However, a law needs to be passed to preventn such bums as this elected official froom collecting better-than-average benefits after just one lousy term as a member of Congress. These jokers get much better retirement, medical, etc. than the 99 percent of Americans who put them there. Why should they be served bertter with better benefits than the rest of us, who pay their (lush) salaries and other perks, even for the rest of their miserable lives? The law needs to require Congress to get their paychecks garnished for Social Security and Medicare contributions just like the regular working people who have to pay these taxes for their own retirement and their own medical insurance after they retire. Nobody ever talks about it, but Medicare isn't free by a longn shot. Every month $100 or so is taken out of my social security retirement check to pay the premiums, and that's just for MEdicare hospitalization (PartB_) whoich is worthless unless you take out your own supplemental medical insuracne through a private agency. That's another $99 out of my monthly check for the supplemental so I don't have to pay co-pays and deductibles, and this will increase every year until age 90 if I live long enough. And don't forget the drug prescripion plan which I really don't need but which I'mm afraid not to have becausae when and if I get lots more presceiptions and really need that insurance I'd have to pay a penalty every month for NOT signing up when eligible, whether IO need it or not? None of this is a free ride on the bcks of traxpayers, only mostly on my own working back when I supported myself all my life and like it or not, funded my own retirement with the Social Security deductions, no choice about i t, and my employer of course contributed via payroll taxes, as with Medicare also. (That's for Part ! which is just hospitallization. If it's good enough for us, the employers and boosses of Congress it's damn well good enough for them, their Royal Majesties.
Read the laws on Congressional benefits Lil'.....they DO pay into both SS and Medicare and have since 1987 (I think that was the year the new requirements went into effect.) They CAN also contribute to a form of our 401K options, just as any other federal employee can. I agree that they get to claim benefits far too easily after leaving Congress and fully support a constitutional amendment that would require an independent federal salary/benefit commission that would convene once every four years to set the pay/benefits for Congress, their staff, the administration, and the courts. I'm encouraging the Popular Amendment Movement to develop such an amendment to go along with the other two amendments on their website: www.faircampaignreform.us. Join the movement and help petition for the passage of the Election/Campaign Finance Reform and Term Limits constitutional amendments.
BTW, Part B is NOT for your hospitalization.....that is Part A that you DON'T pay a premium for. Part B is for your primary care, etc. Part C is the Advantage Program where supposedly that insurance premium covers your deductibles and co-pays of Part B, and Part D is your drug coverage.....both of which you have additional premiums. I declined Part B on my Medicare when I became eligible because at the time I was planning to move to Panama where Medicare would NOT cover me, even though I've paid into it for decades.
You're right it's not a TOTALLY free ride. Just a MOSTLY free ride. Your contributions and part B payments will pay only a fraction of the total cost.
If I was there, and they asked me "what are you doing to help the poor." I'd simply look at them and ask them to same question. Complaining to others about problems you see just make you sound like a whiner.
Umm, John, they are not just complaining to "others", but demanding to speak with their purported representatives, who are charged with dealing with these issuee, asking for an explanation why nothing is being done. It's not hair solon gossip, this is concrete action.
Don't ever run for office, btw.
I haven't researched his position but if it were MY Representative he probably would have really put their "tail in a knot".
Something like: I'm sponsoring legislation to make E-Verify mandatory, end Birthright Citizenship, English as our National Language, stopping all Social Services to ILLEGAL ALIENS, enforcing laws against hiring of ILLEGAL ALIENS, ending Sanctuary Cities and using the money saved to bolster the Safety Net for our "poor Citizens" who are ENTITLED to get it!
I'm sure they would have loved to hear that! Heck, it's $500 BILLION a year I want to get back into the hands of OUR CITIZENS.
After all, these are the programs "these" people support at the expense of OUR CITIZENS...
All incumbants out. Every election until all current Senators and Reps are gone. Not just the ones I don't like. Not just the ones you don't like. The only way to teach them that they work for us.
Term limits, please.
We need leaders, not career politicians.
allincumbantsout...
except Bernie Sanders. He stays!
Lobbying is the problem, not multiple terms in office. Take the special interest money out of politics and problem solved. Ban lobbyists, ban former lobbyists from running for office. Ban former politicians from working as consultants for companies with government contracts. Keep salaries for congress reasonably high so you attract good people, eliminate the provision that allows them to keep collecting their salaries long after they are out of congress. Put politicians on medicare for their healthcare. Problem solved.
See my post above and get involved in the Popular Amendment Movement and we just MIGHT finally be able to accomplish both the term limits and the lobbying/special interest money problem. Go to the website linked and download both petitions, sign and circulate them and start your own local grassroots movement as part of PAM and get this done. I've been asking all of you Newsviners to get involved since July 2010. What have you been doing?
Corporate lobbyists are not the only lobbyists. I'm sure you also mean to curtail labor union lobbying as well, right? Didn't think so.
you know, jim, i don't see where anyone said "corporate lobbyists"...they said "lobbyists"....troll much?
it's not really paranoia is the world really is out to get you
Oh,but what about the Senator who votes my way?I don't want him to leave office.Even though he is stiffing us for anything he can ring out of big business,including oil,pharma,military arms dealers,unions,insurance companies,auto makers,and bankers.I'd just hate to lose a good person like that in Congress,wouldn't you?
Wow, am I sick of a bunch of wastoids and hippies claiming to represent me. (I am certainly not the 1%.)
Everytime I see that "99%" in a headline all I can think of is the way those idiots screwed up downtown. It makes me want to vote for Michelle Bachman or something.
Twyla. Pull your head out. Who does represent you? Not the Repuglicans, that's for sure.
Those hippies as you call them are Americans just like all of us. They're fed up with a system which has become the guarantor of wealth and privilege.
Wow! Sorry those folks who are trying to publicize the plight of the middle class made things so un-tidy for you! Please, by all means, vote for Michelle Bachmann - you two seem made for each other!!!
Do you see any hippies here? No? Then stop being so ignorant. Since OWS sprung up people like you have been deriding them for not marching on Washington. Now that they're there you still have some fabricated problem with them.
These people are trying to notify Washington that the people fed up with their elected officials, as they should be. Based on the direction your country is headed I suggest you join these patriots and press for positive changes to a dysfunctional and broken system
Guess what... you don't belong to the 99 percent OR the 1 percent. Seriously, you are one person, you might belong to the .00000004 percent that doesn't give a @!$%#. Shut up and let the real people do what needs to be done you anti American idiot.
Twyla why don't you join them. Then since it is a democratic organization (small D democratic) you could make your voice heard and you could listen to their point of view and TOGETHER you could work to solve the countrys problems.
This should be a good matchup. Societal Waistoids versus Government Waistoids. I can see it now, Pelosi, Reid, Boehner et al peeking out their windows wondering what is going on.
These "FREAKSHOW HOOLIGANS are just plain stupid ...... if you are mad at your elected officials ....vote them out ... thats how it works here ...if you don't like it .... Please leave and get out of my face ..... if any of these punks and vagrants got in my face ... I would personally eliminate them !!!!!!!
Twyla Johnson
Wow, am I sick of a bunch of wastoids and hippies claiming to represent me. (I am certainly not the 1%.)
Wow, what a amazing display of ignorance....or is it arrogance...or both?
You are a complete moron. Where are the freak-show hooligans in the article? The fact that you want to brutalize peaceful protesters exercising their rights as citizens is alarming and un-American
Amazing that when you don't agree with their asinine activities, you are attacked. They knew that the press was ignoring them and they need a "new" event to bring them back into the news. Fact is, few care about them. They would be gone except the weather has been mild.
Sapience, if they are waistoids for protesting a POV for a reason, what are YOU sitting back letting @!$%# happen right in front of your face? A lot worst than a wastoid, what ever the hell a wastoid is.
@hockey4um, STFU, you wouldn't do @!$%# to no one, ethuggary is not becoming and is really immature. Grow up!
hockey4um...
You do not understand how representative democracy works. Maybe you were absent from 5th grade that day.
Once a person is elected, he or she represents everyone in the district, not just those who voted for him/her.
Conversely. if the person you prefer does not win the election, you work with the person who did win.
You see, the goal is to actually govern and get things done, NOT just go from election to election accumulating personal power.
The woman from Ventura who wanted to see her rep did the right thing. The jerky rep who hid in his office is a disgrace to democracy.
The only "anti-Americans" I see are all the childish protesters who simply bash Republicans, won't recognize that Democrats are also part of the problem, and advocate socialism... These OWSers simply regurgitate others' liberal talking-points... Obama and Bush are two sides of the SAME coin! If anyone thinks that either party is better than the other, then change will never happen...
3 Gold Bars,
I agree. Anybody posting anything about this article being about Dems or Repubs simply don't understand the point.
Right.
The issue is that our system has become "one $, one vote" instead of "one person, one vote".
This is not about one particular party because both parties are stuck in a system that is really owned and controlled by money.
Friends, DO NOT let any media pundit tell you that this is about anything but that. They want to divide us so that they continue to rule without our input.
You go Guys,
Now when you find out that knocking on his door won't get you what you want, (to be heard)
You will go the next step, VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.
Protests always start by the disenfranchised voicing their opinion on the street, (or on the web in today's world). Gathering into huge mobs that cause problems with the smooth running of society. (the tactics of gumming up the works). OWS hasn't gathered up a huge mob yet. Huge is starting out with 20k on the first day gaining 70k on the three day march, then having another 30-40k join you at the rally. What happens is the police back off, if they try the billy club routine they get their asses kicked. The discussion goes way beyond the right to peacefully assemble right away. Go back and look at any of the major demonstrations of the '60's or '70's for an example.
The next step, is going after the Government, closing down their offices by sitting in, demanding your right to meet with your representatives. In this stage of protest you learn who is and is not working to their constituents best interests. OWS is currently at the beginning stages of this second protest phase. This is where you see if the protest really has any support from the people. Because if it does you will eventually see tens of thousand people rallying to the cause and shutting down the government. This will really place the risk of government retaliation on the front burner, this is the phase where a protest earns it's respect, shows it courage, and gives truth to the lies. In this stage, the police and national guard will get physical will break heads, this is where the burning cars becomes a tactic. Usually these phases devolve into riots. But it is also where you get the public's attention and force the government to civilly respond and start asking the questions of what do you all REALLY want? Because believe me they do not want to be the ones that call down the Troops on a civil protest. In the '60's they tried that response, and all it did was build the cause into a juggernaut they couldn't stop. But it still didn't get the protesters what they wanted.
The third and final phase of a protest is what I call the beating them at their own game stage. you have established your issue, you have invoked all the patriots visions and rhetoric you can find in the first phase, established your courage and fortitude in the second phase. NOW, you VOTE in your OWN politicians to make the laws you want for you. that's what we finally had to do in the '60's and 70's what happens then is you are now attacking the soft underbelly of the government. you are taking away their cash cow you are actually, removing their power from the source. NOW, at this phase, they will listen as soon as you remove a few of them from office, the higher up in seniority the better. NOW they better not ignore you.
OWS is now entering the second phase, where they really prove that they have what it takes, the real theater starts now...
I wonder if they have learned anything from us old fogeys of the '60's
It's going to be interesting.
Protestors should try and go take the White House Over when Obama and Michelle and the kids go live off Tax Payers millions, as they will live like Royalty in Hawaii for 17 days.
Obama has taken more money from Wall Street donors than any other President, yet OWS loves and supports him like a Rock Star !
Thank you Glenn Beck wannabe. Come up with your own material, why don't you.
You think they call Obama a "rock star?" Where have you been?
Bear, As opposed to the Bush Ranch in Crawford. Or the Reagan Ranch in Santa Barbara. Or Bush Kennebunkport compound or Nixon's Mansion Casa Pacifica. Please don't even try that. Bush spent plenty of time in Texas. Reagan was always at the ranch.
Where in the article did it say this was a partisan protest? I must have missed that part.....I'll go back and check. Nope, this appears to be a protest where constituents seek out their representatives.
Hey Bear!! Bush (the dumb one Dubya!) spent more time on vacation than any other president in history! Check out your facts before you open that putrid mouth!
These are the same people that voted him into office. Tells you a lot about their intelligence.
Bear - Give it up we all know you're a paid troll and if not call Karl Rove and sign up - you add nothing to any conversation but same old same old OK we got it you hate Obama - end of story so go someplace else to display your hate or stay and give solutions - I for one would welcome constructive criticism but not the same old harping - gets very old!
Wallstreet has ALWAYS given to both Political Parties.
They do it to HEDGE their bet's; so they can buy influence no matter which political party is in the White House.....Duh!
Bear,
Bush, when President, took a lot more vacation days off during the same time frame as Obama has. Obama is always in constant contact with business back home so don't you worry, he's got it covered!
Minnesotan-1652558, everyone else managed to disagree without violating the first rule on the site:
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Occupy is borrowing terms from mr grover, the gop, & the rushbo. Take back the country meant to take the country back from obama. But obama never took the country the same way as the binding pledges of mr grover did. It made representatives ignore the 99%.
I agree, Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers are behind the recent TP lunacy, but I'm still trying to understand why Norquist's pledge holds so much power. Any so-called pledge that transfers elected representatives' allegiance from their constituents to Norquist and his group should be considered unconstitutional. Treason, anyone? Norquist should be investigated and, in my opinion, indicted. If he isn't being investigated by now, why not? The entire government can't be in debt to him, including the Justice Department. I'd love to see the IRS send a pack of pitbull auditors after him, at the very least.
Compromise is one of the most fundamental components of a democracy. Oaths and pledges prevent the ability to compromise and should be considered unconstitutional.
I would like to see a Grover Norquist- like pledge for politicians that affirms that they would at least recognize science -- a recognition that anthropological climate change and evolution are realities.
"Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers"... Geez, you sound like Glen Beck in reverse! Blah, blah, blah, George Soros, blah, blah, blah, left-wing conspiracy, blah, blah, blah... You folks on either side of the left/right two-party nonsense are picking sides like you're rooting for a sports team, and losing sight that they're all the same! We're all being hoodwinked! Once you latch onto the Dems or the Repubs, or the Liberlas or the Conservatives, then you lose all objectivity and become a tool...a pawn...a sheep...
Gold, you have to admit that elected officials who pledge their allegiance to a lobbyist rather than their constituents are pretty despicable. However, I do agree that the problems facing America are not partisan, the entire bunch of clowns currently packing the Capitol is
...is to blame
3 Gold Bars,
I agree 100%. Subscribing to a political ideology prevents your ability to view issues clearly.
3 Gold Bars -- Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers have rewritten the definition of greed. Norquist's 'pledge' goes beyond lunacy and he's trying to do away with representation by the people and for the people, and have representation for the chosen few, instead. If you don't recognize that, then you've been brainwashed. The ones who chose to sign the pledge, and adhere to it like it's some kind of law, should be voted out of office, at the least, and hopefully, indicted somewhere down the road. Repbulicans have signed the pledge and they're the ones holding the country hostage. They'd rather see the country go bankrupt than pay an extra 3% in taxes. I'm not rooting for the Democrats like they're some kind of sports team; I'm genuinely concerned about this country. Your jaded attitude may seem cool to you, but the OWS group is actually doing something about the situation instead of just complaining.
Your previous post describing the OWS group as partisan is false. When interviewed, they have criticism for all politicians who have sold out, not just the pledge-signers but the ones who have sold out to Wall Street as well.
In agreement: "They'd rather see the country go bankrupt than pay an extra 3% in taxes. "
I think most of the people who comment on this 3% extra in taxes UNANIMOUSLY support this extra tax on OTHERS. I'm willing to bet that those folks do not want to pay any more taxes themselves. :)
Jim B,
The point is that the extra 3% tax on the most wealthy would be pocket change. A 3% tax on the middle class would be noticed in most households and for the lower middle class, would impact the basics such as food and housing. The wealthiest have benefited most from living and working in this country, not to mention the debt they owe to their workers, without whom their businesses couldn't exist. Only the meanest and stingiest wouldn't support restoring the tax rates from the Clinton years, which were still less than in the prosperous 1950s and 1960s.
They are finally in D.C. At least they made it to the right place. That occupy Wall Street, Oakland, etc. was ridiculous. It's the politicians in D.C. that make the laws. They are the ones who got us in this mess. Wall Street was just taking advantage of the Glass-Stegall Act being repealed and mortgage loan requirements being lessened, etc.
I think we have way more serious problems than just that. Probably one of the root causes that contributed was middle class jobs are disappearing anyway. In my opinion, new technology reducing the need for workers as well as foreign competition for US firms are going to be way bigger issue than the tax problem that these folks believe it is. I hope I am wrong, but I expect things to get way worse regardless of politics.
Occupy Washington and Wall Street are both in the right place. Wall Streeters are the criminals, Washington is the cops doing nothing.
Don, No truer words than what you said.
The Occupy movement went to Wall Street so they could go straight to the top. You don't actually think DC runs the show do you?
Mortgage loan requirements were lowered as a REQUIREMENT of the Community Reinvestment Act signed by Bill Clinton and enforced by the Fed, FNMA, HUD, the Justice Dept, et al.
I'm not saying Wall Streeters aren't greedy bast$$s, just that that's not the entire story.
Intel - don't you love it these same politicians who stand on the floor and spout - are just nothing but "cowards" and run out the back door - to the local bar or fundraiser - Boehner to the golf course and then the bar What a bunch of "COWARDS" hey guys and gals face the people you want to screw - as the 99% have said time and time again "SHAME"!
Intel
The only part of Glass-Steagall that was repealed was the portion that kept Banking, Investment, Insurance, and Finance in separate companies. This was eroniously promoted as major part of the cause of the 1929 stock market Crash. What happened from 1999 to 2008 was the accelerated approvals of loans to low and no income families per Federal terms, approved by Freddie and Fannie. These loans were sold to OTHER Banks, Investment Brokers, Insurance, and finance companies as solid investments when they were actually high loss loans. When the high rates of defaults became apparent to the purchasers, they sold those loans, just as they bought them from someone else.
The problem with that change was the creation of a new term "too big to have fail". That's really politi-speak for I'm going to bail out my friends.
Jim B -
so you don't get submarined. The 1999 act was the creation of Both Democrats AND Republicans. Republicans wanted to let big companies get bigger so they could continue to compete internationally, and Democrats wanted to strengthen the CRA to get more houses in poor people hands (to get votes) to get them back in power in the house land senate. The funny thing about that is the poor people who were getting the houses - don't vote. BUT the people that write big support checks think it's a great idea, the intellect (think they intellects) think that helps people are drawn in to vote for politicians.
BOTH Bills could never pass congress on their merits. But as the Glass-Steagall bill was about to die, Democrats offered every vote the Republicans wanted if they would include the strengthen the CRA Bill. It worked, the composite bill passed with 89% support in both houses. With over 2/3's voting for the Bill in the House and Senate, Bill Clinton signing iot was moot point.
The CRA strengthening didn't so much lower closing costs, downpayments, and interest rates - that was already law. What it did was put home mortgage lenders in a bind, they had to follow the federal law and make enough low income loans or be investigated by EVERY federal agency if they didn't make enough low income loans or were accused of discriminating against low income borrowers.
For those of you who doubted the crazy hippies of OWS weren't the spark of something bigger, take a good look at this. This is the beginning of a more focused movement, a movement that hopefully will gain the support of average Americans who previously said OWS didn't represent the. Once those millions are mobilized Washington will be forced to listen to the demands of the people.
I also find if quite despicable that the Republican Congressman from California was hiding scared from the people. You were elected to serve them, Congressman, not to fear and avoid them. Vote that clown out
Yet they still don't have a clue of a message. No wonder few support them in spite of their catchy "we are the 99%".
Hate to tell you, youre not....
I can't wait to see what the next phase is. At some point this movement will eventually have an effect and begin to fix our doomed country.
@inagreement:
"I'm still trying to understand why Norquist's pledge holds so much power."
It holds so much power because it is meant to protect and grow the wealth of the wealthy. It is the wealth the representatives have. They are in it only for themselves. The GOP doesn't care about you at all.
NewStart, if these OWS folks are the "solution" to our problems, we're more f**ked than I thought...
So you think everything is just hunky-dory then? Posting on this site isn't going to fix the problems. Voting can't fix the problem. So what is your solution? If it's a good one I'll be all for it.
Waiting.....
Hey 'Gold' =if you can propose some kind of "middle ground" solution, I'm all ears - the Occupy movement gives you that!
Hmmm.....a day later and still no solutions proposed by 3 Gold Bars. Lets break it down.
How can we fix our problems:
1. Vote? Nope, there's just another POS politician waiting to be voted in.
2. Whine a lot on sites like this? This just won't get it done.
3. Buy some guns and go to DC? No, I don't want to go to jail.
4. Protest? Bingo! This drawn attention to your message! The only problem here is that NO MATTER who you are or what your message is, the ignorant you will label you a hippie and tell you to take a shower.
Republican Californian Representative, Gallegly, YOU ARE A COWARD "... I just gave you that meeting by wishing you a merry Christmas."
i think it's great that we live in a country that is wealthy enough to support and pay professional demonstrators.
"Professional demonstrators" like the National Organization for Marriage, Focus on the Family and Sarah Palin?
Wow, were they there too? Must have missed it in the article.
I must have missed the part where it said they were paid. I did read that the organizer ran her own law firm however :/
Perhaps, you also missed the part where a lot of them were from California. LOL ! Now that's a well-run state isn't it ? California is bankrupt, businesses have left in DROVES because of the high cost of doing business there, pot smoking has effectively been legalized in opposion to federal law ..... and wow, the mother of all serious legislative tidbits, happy meals have been regulated by law in San Francisco !!
So, you think the U.S. should follow the "lead" of California, go bankrupt, pass more silly-ass laws and follow the "lead" of the leftards and the libtards ?? Is that about right ??
Our country is a Republic. We elect Representatives and Senators to represent our interests and vote on our behalf. We do not have MOB RULE, although it appears OWS somehow thinks they are entitled to INFLICT their values, their issues and their beliefs on society as a whole .... because they choose to act as a mob and try to "FORCE" everyone to do what THEY have deemed is correct.
OWS is about ignoring the Democratic process and forcing its will through mob action. Violence will surely follow.
Oh, by the way, I am not close to being in that 1% everyone playing "the class warfare game" likes to talk about, and since I am, therefore, in the other 99%, you can rest assured the OWS MOB SURE AS HELL DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME !
The OWS mob simply needs to be sent home so that our elected Representatives and Representatives can do their jobs without the intended harassment and intimidation these OWS people have brought.
Must be nice to take time off from your law practice to jump on a plane, fly 3,000 miles, so you can sit and 'protest'.
Sounds like someone has a lot of money to spend; should've used it as a donation to the Salvation Army or something...
Ignoramus. She's spending her hard-earned money on what she thinks is a worthwhile effort. She's also demonstrating that not all hard-working individuals believe if those protesting want a fair shake they should just get a job. She, unlike you, recognizes the need for change to a broken system
Or maybe she should have just sat on her butt, making snide, petty comments on a newsvine!
It would be worthwhile if she actually helped someone less well off than herself. I imagine she's staying in a nice hotel, eating out at better restaurants and soothing her own guilt.
steven, you may be on to something here...
if the leftist 'ows' protest spends their money, and george soros' money from move on.org...then let them.
they will be out of cash, out of poket....let them beg nancy pelosi for a donation and hassle their DNC masters for a free handout.
...besides when the capitol police come to do their job it will be fun to watch.
@StevenB:
that's a lot of assuming you're doing there in just one post. Also, it amazes me that you seem to have missed the point that she, like myself, probably believes that by participating in these protests, she is helping others besides just herself.
Until we recognize that our economy is changing because of international competition, and do something about it, then we will continue our slide backward.
"I imagine she's staying in a nice hotel, eating out at better restaurants and soothing her own guilt."
What? So what? That doesn't matter whatsoever. I would have thought you anti-OWS types would support a person who has worked hard for their money and recognize her right to spend it as she sees fit. I guess once the hard-working Americans you thought were on your side start joining this movement it confuses you into making nonsensical statements
Less time here, more time looking for a job. Or are you a paid media rep for Occupy Something?
A clear pre-disposition to be anti-OWS; no thought involved.
Steven B - Sounds like you're upset she's not just another hippie....sorry to ruin that little fantasy land you built for yourself.
R. Scalzo:
sorry, nice try, I already have a job. Care to make any more incorrect assumptions?
You guys "disregarded" the OWS movement as a bunch of worthless hippies who needed to find a job. Then when a group of obviously-employed and well off folks go to Washington to speak with their congressional members to let them know how they feel, you "disregard" them because they are wealthy and should be giving their money away. You can't have it both ways... I think most of you are just jealous because you have to work so hard for a living that you can't do anything but whine on Newsvine. And this group that went to Washington... not specifically Republican nor Democrat. Do you not think people have a right to protest and a right to freedom of speech? If not, then you are not a very patriotic American and don't support the Constitution of this country. I think you need to do some soul searching and determine where "you" stand.
So how many of you trolls have tried to send an email of complaint or support to your own Congressional representatives? Does YOUR elected representative require the zipcode before you are allowed to type in your message on their Congressional contact page? Does that person accept comments from ALL the people in the US since that is who their actions affect or do you have to be registered to the same party, reside in their district AND BE CURRENTLY active on voting record? Try emailing the other Congressional representative for your state and see how many will not even let that email be created. Even if your concerns are something one of their committees are working on, they STILL will not accept your comments unless you have passed all the barriers.
Try making a phone call. See how fast you hear a click at the other end of the line if you do not meet their strict criteria.
But then, fact-finding before ranting is not the way of life for y'all, is it? Truth be told, no matter what your position, the representatives that will actually take comments are far & few between. Those who will meet with you are even more scarce. Maybe you just don't want to know that you are ranting in the void out here, hmmm?
GrammaKnows~ You are so right. I have written Jeb Hensarling, my so-called Rep, and all I got was a form-nonsensical letter having nothing to do with my letter, in return. (I asked him why HE and HIS family are entitled to tax-payer (ME) paid health insurance, yet I don't have any health coverage.) His web-site often asks for opionions in the form of multiple-choice questions - all stated so that you sound like a chump for not choosing the opinion he wants - which I do anyway. When I have tried to leave messages for my Texas Senators, the lines are closed. When I was getting the run-around from SSA, again, "my" representatives were worse than useless. Unfortunately, my votes seem to run counter to other Texans who keep voting these same people in.
The OWS are a mix of all kinds...they are SICK of being screwed and I don't blame them. I wish I could go and protest, but working in State Gov't prevents me from doing that. There are lawyers, retired military, common folks that have either lost their job, some are homeless, some are employed yet able to come out and stand for what they believe in. Some of you on here are just ignorant and misinformed. These folks are out there trying to help the OTHER 99% of us that do not have a voice, other than voting and writing or calling our FABULOUS congress people, who, as you can see by the above article...DO NOT SEEM TO CARE!!!!!!! More power to those folks and this lawyer who is doing SOMETHING besides spewing mindless crap on here...like some of you. There are a lot of you who make sense and I enjoy reading. There are many others that just get on here to blame the President of THIS COUNTRY for all the problems...as if all the debt, joblessness, etc. has happened in the last 3 years. WAKE UP...no one is buying it. Go somewhere else and make yourself useful. PLEASE
Time to take our government back from the twenty entities that now control our entire political system.
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/index.php?ql3
Its amazing how many posters on this site would rather have those lobbyists representing them than the protestors. Be careful what you wish for.
BRAVE for those activists!!! Take BACK the Capitol for us. Those Republicans are responsible for most of the ills that afflict this country which benefit the 1% at the expense of the 99%. They are VERY afraid of this movement. Joe American wants his country back!!
yet the democrats run the senate....and the white house....and the house up until a year ago.
oh this should be fun to watch. (we know you guys just hate republicans..so its going to be predictable)
i kind of want this to happen now, get soros to spend some of his 1% money on the 1%ers
Like you like Democrats. LMFAO
Keck, the dems don't run the senate. It isn't filibuster proof - the reps have broken the record on filibustering. That's why nothing is getting done for the country.
sure.
facts say otherwise, but g'head blame everyone else if it makes you feel better.
keck,
What facts? You made the orginal statement that it was all Democrats. Back it up. Show all the bills the Senate passed and which ones didn't pass and why. Just curious. But I do like facts.
who runs the senate ?
7 bi partisan jobs bills from the house since feb, and reid tabled them....why ?
So now the dirtbags are converging on D.C.... Doesn't this qualify as incest? Worst case, it's a remake of Dumb vs. Dumber...
Twerp.
What's wrong with you people? When OWS started you all derided them for not going to where the real problems were occurring, Washington. Now that they're there you still hate them. They, unlike you, are patriots exercising their rights as citizens in an effort to notify the elected officials in D.C the people are fed up with their shenanigans
Hey, call a spade a spade: Regardless of their chosen venue, they're still underachieving, whiny losers with no agenda other than protesting for the sake of protesting.
I've spoken with them in NYC, Boston, and Providence, and their message is as clear as mud, their understanding of basic economics on par with an infant's ability to graps quantum mechanics. They are the dregs.
Darwinism is a tough reality...
I agree that the protesters should be focused on the political system.
I disagree that a disorganized bunch of people, all with varying agendas, can accomplish anything.
You want change? That's what the ballot box is for.
Wow incest! Hilarious! Dumb vs. dumber more name calling! Hahahah!
Yes, voting, you can see how well our political system has done for us. Also, I love the hypocrisy. When the Tea Party people go to Washington, they're just being good patriots. When we go to Washington, we're a bunch of dirty communist hippies who should be shot by the Capitol police. Makes sense.
SkeetSurfer, we have now seen what the OWSers are like, and WE (the 99%) don't like what they do, how they act, the manner in which they go about things, their inconsistent message, the people they associate with, etc, etc, etc. There's nothing to like, admire, or appreciate about the "occupy" movement...
There's nothing to like about the crazy ones, but every movement has its crazies. The people this article is about are not the same "dirty hippies" living in tent cities. These are logical, hard-working are attempting to focus the message of the movement. If you don't admire average hard-working people then who do you admire?
Actually Mark T - you are the tough reality - and frankly I don't believe you've spoken to anyone - you just like to embelish your lies
3 Gold whatever,
So you are speaking for me. I don't think so. So shut up about "WE(99%) unless you really are. Enough BS!
This is useless, Chris Harris-990085.
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Twyla Johnson: You claim that you don't make the type money that the 1% do. Yet you're completely agree with how the 1% buy our politicians and how they use money (most of it is not even theirs) to lobby policies againt your interests. Yet, you still vote against you own interest, and become disgusted with Americans demonstrate peacefully.... so what does that make you?
Bear: Take over the WhiteHouse? These demonstrators are not violent, they don't operate against the law. They demonstrate peacefully. You apparently are the anarchist or closet hater who simply others to do your dirty work. Have some guts and do something about it, instead of hiding under the bed, and talk behind other people's back. Get some moxie.
Its not just super rich buying politicians. Unions and lawyers also buy them.
@Don9876543
1) "Lawyers" are quite often rich.
2) If a corporation hiring teams of lobbyists, political initiative groups, consulting firms and trade associations to get the best possible deal for itself is protected speech, a cooperative effort of working-class employees looking for what amounts to be a fraction of the same political influence is also protected speech.
But, but...I thought that the messiah Obama was going to get rid of lobbyists?
You idiots aren't going to accomplish anything. To accomplish something would imply that you had an agenda in the first place. You have no clue what you are protesting. I bet that put on the spot 99% of you could not say one intelligent thing about the economy or how a business functions. You all just want a handout from a government that provides too many already. Did you really think you were going to enter the workforce and immediately be granted a high-paying job with an Undergraduate Degree in English, or Environmental Science? Grow up and get a job. You are what you make of yourselves. Disrupting other people trying to go to work is disrespectful to everybody that actually contributes something to the world we live in. Get a life
Obviously hard-working people such as Miller believe these "idiots" have valid concerns about the state of their country, as you all should. It's astounding how much hate you people direct at patriotic Americans exercising their rights as citizens. People like you are what's wrong with America
Banks got bailed out, we got sold out! How's that for starters?
I actually think very few voters understand much about the economy. They sure don't learn anything intelligent listening to politicians.
Alan, the bank bailout actually helped the bank customers more than banks. They were LOANED money to stay in business and not default on CONSUMER accounts like life insurance, annuities, bonds ( probably your pension fund or 401K) and bank stockholders were wiped out. Big banks like Citigroup are breaking up to repay the loans. The customers were the winners here. Most money from TARP was repaid with interest.
alan_static,
The "bailout" the banks received was paid back with $15 billion in interest. And without that "bailout", the current 8.6% unemployment rate would pale in comparison.
#18
Agreed.
This is just one area where the Tea party demonstrates that they 'get it'. They're more organized, focused and understand the system.
These silly OWS-type protesters are complaining about everything under the sun. They have no organization; their tactics are puerile, seeking to disrupt instead of accomplish.
They are wasting their time, sucking up resources better used elsewhere and are generally a nuisance.
That's about it.
Oh wow I'm so glad the bailout worked out so great for everyone! I'm sure the banks will thank for digging as deep as the puddle in front of your house and believing the government propaganda!
For these protesters, it has to get pretty boring just sitting around all day. And to comment on your "put on the spot" part, you can always find new videos online where they don't have a clue what they are protesting about. Its kinda funny and sad at the same time. If your going to go somewhere and gather, you should have an idea of what your doing there. Especially if the event has been going on for a few months now.
Be self-sufficient. Don't covet what your neighbor has. Stop blaming others for your own poor decisions. Fix yourself before blaming others.
How narrow-minded are you? There are problems with the system and problems with the elected officials in Washington. These people are trying to bring these issues into the national discussion and all ignoramuses like you can do is blame and insult them for nothing
Alan, the bank bailout helped people They just don't realize it. If the banks had failed, consumer accous would not have all been honored. When the banks started defaulting , we would have panic. I don't agree with all the stiimulus stuff, but I do feel the bailout was needed.
You do the know the Fed gave the banks $7 trillion interest-free, right?
I really don't know why I waste my time....here goes:
First of all, if you were paying attention, these are not just out-of-college folks, these are people of all walks of life, losing there jobs, trying to provide for there families --they don't need to get rich, they would like to just live a little above the poverty line.
Though I personally have an idea how an economy or business functions -- I really don't give a damn.
Here's an idea, have laws that safeguard the well-being of the People of the nation, including requirements that employers must adhere (living wage, pension, health care, etc.) Too expensive? Well, I guess that company goes out of business- that's how capitalism works -- businesses either adapt and adjust, or go by the wayside. If they all play by the same rules, then its an even playing field. But the ANTI American corporations are in control...
What do I mean by Anti American? Corporations that would sell out the well being of the American People for PROFIT! Why else move your production lines/helpdesk/etc to a third world country? So they DON'T have to pay the American worker a living wage ('cause that cuts into their PROFITS!)
These corporations have an allegiance to PROFITS over their own country - Its really disgusting - especially when there are REAL honest citizens (i.e., American People) who go to war-- and die-- for those corporation's right to exist.
I know that Obama and his pals in GE are thrilled at having to pay zero taxes.
@kdiddu:
You're making a lot of assumptions about us. I have a degree, and it is not in English or Environmental Science. I'm also employed full time and am quite happy with what I earn. But that doesn't mean that I am somehow unable to protest what I see as obvious problems with our economic and political systems. You want an agenda? It has already been stated on our web site and during our general assembly several times, but here are just a few of the points:
1. Overturn Citizens United. Money is not free speech. We believe that when corporations are allowed to give unlimited sums of money to politicians, it corrupts our political system.
2. Real regulation on banks, such as a return of the Glass-Steagall Act. No more bank bailouts. If they can make themselves too big to fail, they can take care of themselves. Seems very hypocritical of people who love to talk about the free market to have begged the government for taxpayer money so that they didn't have to suffer the consequences of their own unwise decisions.
3. Real regulation of the commodities markets. Did you ever wonder why gas prices in the summer of 2008 skyrocketed to around $4.50? There used to be real restrictions on speculation, those restrictions have been 'relaxed' to the point where they really don't exist any more. How is it good for business (such as the company I work for, for which fuel costs are one of our biggest expenses) to pay far more for gasoline because some trader on Wall Street plays around with the commodities market?
What was that you were saying about people with no knowledge of economics or politics? You must be talking about some other movement, because most of the people I've met through OWS have been just as knowledgeable or more than I am about these things. We're fighting for what we believe in. What do you believe, and what are you fighting for, if anything?
We are, they don't want to see the agenda. That way they can say there is no agenda.
Don the bailout was need, how about we do some prosecuting?
Trump summons Newt, who would be president, to the golden tower and the Newt goes as ordered. Shouldnt it be the other way around.
If you need proof of who owns Newt the Hoot, look no further.
What else can we expect from a cult member?
Before you know it the National Guard will start stepping in on these protests...
The protestors can use all the support they can get. Thanks National Guard if you help!
All the protesters are getting is the mockery of the nation.
If you are really so bad off, sign up for a hitch in the service. That will open your eyes some.
Occupy Washington all day all week!
I am not part of the 1% wealthy and never gave my permission for these folks to include me in the 99%.
They need to call themselves 99%-1 from now on.
So you're just fine with the path your country is on? Wake up! The Senate passed a bill making indefinite detentions without trial legal. This Calif. Congressman is so scared of the people he wouldn't come out his office without security. Things are not good and if you're not with these protesters you might as well be against American freedoms
Skeet,
Not all of us are underachievers...
I am not fine with where we are going, but I think these folks have minimal understanding of the real causes of the problems and probably will make things worse.
Skeet, I do realize that somethings need to be different in a war. The terrorists do not have any rules that they go by and wars are not always the neatest and pretty things we want.
Nope. And I will display my dis-satisfaction next November, by voting against any liberal-Democrats.
That's how we do things in the real world.
You still believe there's a difference between the two parties? That's cute. Ron Paul is the only one who could possibly make a difference in Washington and he's got a snowball's chance in hell of getting such a chance
can we just please pull out the rubber bullets now ?????????? I along with most of my friends are part of the real 99 % ( U know the ones who have pride and don't mind working for a living ) not these bought and paid for losers who think they should be entitled to other people's stuff .... All these morons are doing is looking for a headline ... Please bring out the rubber bullets and lets rid ourselves of these parasites
So Miller, who runs her own law practice, is a bought and paid for loser? The ignorance of you people is on full display today. These people are looking for fundamental changes to a broken system, not a mere headline
Yeah, very classy! If you read the piece you would have seen that these folks do have jobs and they were simply taking time off to speak to their Congressmen. They're not looking for handouts; only for Congress to do their job! What have they done for their constituents, besides running out a side door to the elevator? 2012 can't come soon enough...
The system isn't broken, it's under siege.
It's under siege by the do-nothings, the self-entitled, the lazy and the greedy.
It's under siege by an educational system that is doped up by the Teacher unions, with their silly, neo-Socialist value system.
It's under siege by the welfare cheats, by the illegal immigrants and by the liberal democrats buying votes, and getting as many affixed to the Public Teat as possible.
Once we correct this, and recognize that the US is competing in a global economy, we'll be back in the game.
"Ask not what your country can do for you....."
What are you talking about? Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Maybe the do-nothings in the Capitol need to ask themselves that once in a while. Oh, and in case you need a reminder, these Congressmen are elected to serve their constituents. Asking to what degree they are doing so is a valid question
@hockey:
that's fine, as long as you understand that it works both ways. For example....I'm guessing that you're probably a big fan of the 2nd Amendment? So, let's say that next week, the 2nd Amendment is overturned. Sorry, you no longer have the right to bear arms. You're angry, right? You want to show your anger, so you go out and you protest. Oh, well, we can't have that, sorry, we had to shoot you.
Also, I love the hypocrisy of the 'bought and paid for' argument. You'll have to remind who it was that bought and paid for me to protest, because I haven't received my check yet. Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich takes a couple million from Fannie Mae. Sorry, tell me again, which one of us was 'bought and paid for'?
The comments about these protestors being losers, and looking for a hand-out is laughable. What an amazing display of ignorance......they didn't even read the article yet comment on it as though they understand what this is about.
Calling the protesters names is easier than learning what they stand for and trying to have a civil discussion...the substance of the anti-OWS comments usually gives away the IQ levels of the commenters
Actually - the Second Amendment has been misinterpreted - it is an amendment that gives a Militia to bear arms against their government if that goverment does not perform for the people - not for every jack-ass to buy an assault weapon
Next every citizen has a right to meet with their representative to listen to their grievances - so my fellow 99% vote these suckers out - they are elected for two years - you voted all the T-Party idiots in you now have the right to vote them out
Next stop get involved politically - go to your districts and campaign for people of like mind
So these leftists lost the last election and now they want to impose their policies on the folks who outnumbered them at the polls? They are a minority with a bad attitude. They are the one percent. Those of us who voted in the Tea Party candidates are the majority. Notice that we demonstrated without breaking any laws and without costing the tax payers a bundle to clean up.
You scum bags need to go home and chant your liberal chants to each other. Take a bath too while you are at it!
Wrong! They just want Congress to get to work... Just what have they accomplished anyway?
Leftists? I think you posted on the wrong article. This protest is about fixing fundamental issues with the system, not people looking for a hand-out.
Drudgerport - First of all we were not outnumbered when we voted Obama into office - it is a fact the T-people were lied to about their agenda - they were voted in because of the lack of jobs and yes were fed a line about the deficit
If you recall the T-Party was hi-jacked by Dick Armey a lobbyist and the Koch Brothers a wing of the Birch Society and they did it well - supplied box lunches and air-conditioned buses and yes we fell asleep - but your boys went too far and I believe as Admiral Yamamoto said during WW11 as his sailors were chanting on the deck after they bombed Pearl Harbor - "YOU'VE AWAKENED THE SLEEPING GIANT" - you're policies in trying to decimate labor and the middle class - sir you have done the same - this I believe is the begining
Were working on it ..... first step was voting all the Lefty Dems out
Tea party??? You are kidding right? Teabaggers were bought and paid for and if you didn't realize they are fading away now.
We will see in 2012.
These people are like cow itch.They need to find a life by working for it.
Did you not read the article? These people all have jobs unlike the Tea Party folks with their trust funds and stock options...
What do you think the lawyer from NY has done most of her life? No matter what this movement does or how many people that don't fit the "dirty hippie" mold join ignoramuses like you will still be against them. You people need to realize they are legitimate societal and economic problems bringing America down. The status quo of your country is not good, join these protesters rather than talking tough from behind your screen
What?
sacred what do you have against trust funds , who the F^&%* are you to judge people and what they do with there money ......... You are a hater just because some people worked and planned with there money ????? Some people invest in the market .... you know Risk there own money and you want to begrudge them because you and many others just expect money to magically show up at your door ????? GO GET A JOB and make a life for yourself and quit blaming others for your short comings
Moveon.org -- good. George Soros... There's no corruption involved with this liberals.. Wake up..
OMG = Obama Must Go.
They all must go. When 93% of your elected Senators vote against American civil liberties there is a much larger, non-partisan problem. Join these protesters and remind the morons in Washington who they work for
yea,good old George,he did it,hmmm...These guys are coming for you NEXT !!!!!!
This isn't a partisan protest.