I think you misunderstand. Occupy is not gone, not at all. If anything closing camps is allowing more attention to other more important parts of the effort.

@Occam's Razor

You are making a claim that a movement like OWS didn't have a chance because no one from the left stepped up and directed them? It makes the ones who did the protest seem like sheep, mindless, ignorant, needing to be told what to do. Sorry, but if these people can't figure out who to protest against, then having someone telling them what to do is not going to do any good either. Maybe these protestors showed the nation just how misguided the stream of thought is in this country with respect to entitlements, and "what is owed to me".

People need to understand that life is not easy, but it is changeable. If you truly do not like making $8.25 per hour in the USA, you have the ability to change that. There are other places in the world that offer this mobility, but not too many. Once you start telling people that they are "owed" $25.00 per hour, that is when the trouble begins. The mindset changes to what we see today with OWS. We have college students who think that just because they have a slip of paper that claims they earned a degree, that they are "entitled" to a job making $75K a year to start. And because they can't get someone to agree with that, they want to have the loans they agreed to, be forgiven, just because.

What if the shoe was on the other foot, as they also asked for? What if these bright college graduates get a degree and instead of making $75K a year to start, they make $500K a year. And then the company who gave them the loan decided that because they were far more sucessful than was expected, the cost of the loan is raised from $120K to $750K? I mean if you are going to force a loan institution to write off a loan becasue Buffy can't make $75K a year with a "Classical Studies" degree, then that same loan company should be able to cash in when Tad makes $500K a year with his Chemical Engineering degree. After all, as Obama states, everyone should pay his "fair share".

I thought Obama was their leader. Oh no he only supported them, How about Nancy P? Wait wasn't George Soros their leader, mmm no he only funded them. What a shame the pee party fell apart.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the OWS movement is more about open rebellion than it is about actual protesting.

if the OWS liberals care about the environment so much why do they ruin all the parks they stay in? shouldnt they keep things clean and recycle their trash? yet another hypocrytical act of OWS.

time to face facts.the rich won.they own the government.free trade/job exporting is here to stay.there will be little need for a college education as the jobs that require one have been exported.our countries standard of living is going to continue to decline.were are going to become a third world country.a hand full of unbelievable super rich and hundreds of millions of dirt poor.but you get things cheaper.lol

The rich will win if middle-class and poor people let them win. A two-class society cannot exist in the U.S. for very long. When the Walton Family (Walmart) controls more wealth than the bottom 30% of Americans, you know something is out of whack.

Occam's Razor, You obviously listen to too much right-wing media, like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. OWS was meant to be a leaderless movement because it is easier to shut down a movement if there is one leader. And if you knew your history, Wall Street controls 63% of our economy. They work in government to write our rules and laws. They spend millions on lobbying to influence politicians or buy them. Washington, D.C. is one of their tools. They are the reason why health care cost are higher, corporations outsource jobs, we have bad trade deals, we have home foreclosures and a global recession, and our national inheritence is being sold to the highest bidder. Now they want their hands on Social Security and Medicare. You rightwingers want to blame government when it was deregulation and lack of oversight that lead to a lot of our problems.

Apache32 ... If Occupy's ideas are over, then America is "over". The greedy, rich, Capitalists have won, and most everyone else are going to lose their lifestyles and work their asses off for next to nothing. If they happen to accumulate anything, it will be taken away in a massive corrupt redistribution of wealth upward caused by a criminal crisis on Wall Street that wrecks the economy.

Oh wait a minute, that is what has happened more and more to average Americans especially since Reagan .... In the words of SNL's Emily Latella character .... "Nevermind" .... America IS toast ...... The greedy elite have won and all that's left for most Americans is to "pick @!$%# with the chickens".

You are definitely one confused dude who is definitely not in contact with the reality that if you want to make a lot of money you have to be prepared with great ideas, knowhow, determination and follow through so when you start a businesses you will succeed.

Of course that also means you have to listen to the lazy whiners like you who think they deserve something for nothing.

@Apache32 This is Cherokee woman one

People like you are so misguided and clueless! The Republican Tea Party clown car is crashing!

Occupy Anarchists are true warriors! It took courage to camp out with the hounds of corporate hell nipping at their heels. I pay taxes for the Police to be salaried just as the corporations do. I should have a say about Police brutality not just the paid and bought corporate politicians who I also pay taxes for!

American Government Best Politicians corporate money can corrupt!

Getalifevirginin892326 is the one that needs a life. Hey aswipe nobodys asking for anything for nothing. As soon as people start bitching about the shaft being broke off in their butts you call them CONFUSED, Going from 22.50 a hour to a 7.25 hour job ( can't start a business with that )I don't see any reason somebody would whine or protest in the street. DO YOU ???? This one is a real IDIOT !!!! & he calls other people CONFUSED , OMG AGAIN ONLY IN AMERICA

culhealth,

OWS is smart. They will go onto occupying political debates, home foreclosures, town hall meetings, and community indoor events throughout the Winter. When Spring comes, it's going to be so large it will make the right wing crap their pants. It has just began. What the right wing doesn't understand, that people are tired of getting the short end of the stick in our economy and democracy. People aren't going to take it anymore.

To answer your last question, all protests are as legal as they've ever been. It must be understood that protesters are citizens, too, and if a protest specifically disregards a law, it is a criminal protest and should not be tolerated. If you are honestly convinced that the Bill of Rights is a list of rights that cannot be trumped, I'd like to refer you to one of my favorite Supreme Court cases: Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.

While I agree that Corporate America is largely unlawful, I have a few questions:

1. Who here has the money to prosecute the business criminals?

2. What repercussions could follow such a trial?

3. Is this the job of the Seattle/Boston Police Department? If not, why would the "authorities" even pay attention to big business spending (opposed to the Occupiers)?

4. Could the economy thrive (or even survive) without big business?

5. Has OWS done anything? After all, every man and his dog knows about corporate greed. Could the simple act of assembling a group and chanting "ur meen! i want monies!11" in the middle of town square honestly put an end to big business greed?

The system is unjust, I know, but OWS has been a failed attempt at making change. For once, I wish Americans would stop being scared and DO SOMETHING. Mass tax evasion, riots, bombs, mass looting... even littering. Something other than these weak excuses for protests. Heck, if you're running low on ideas, look to South Vietnam. Their opinionated folks committed mass suicide by fire just to make a point.

tl;dr Occupiers: do something or disassemble. A peaceful protest will not be effective against ignorant business criminals.

Well Scott why don't you be the first to "off" yourself in protest then since the OWS movement is too whimpy for you. Your entire premise is that Wall Streeters and big business are untouchable therefore they should be left alone or else we as a society would suffer from their wrath.

"It is hard to snuff out a dream...the desire for economic fairness, political engagement and social equality."

What you're really saying is it's hard to snuff out the desire to get something for nothing from the hard workers of this society. Big baby.

geta, What is Fox News brainwashing you with these days? Even the RepubliCon think tanks are afraid of OWS now. They know by condemning it will make it larger. You just don't get it. What side are you on? With the people or the elites? Nobody wants something for nothing. They want to earn it and share in the wealth by working for it. The problem is if you do all the right things, like getting a college degree, serving in the military, working your way up by paying dues working minimum-wage jobs when you're young , that their should be some kind of reward at the end. That's the way it used to be for a very long time in the U.S. We now lack livable-wage jobs with good benefits. That's the problem. Over 85% of college graduates live at home with their parents because they are saddled with college loan and credit card debt and are working minimum-wage jobs that can't cover the minimum payments. Did your parents teach you to share growing up? My parents did. Did you read your bible about being a good steward of money? That those with much are expected much, and that rich people have an obligation to serve and give back to their country. What we are seeing is too much hoarding and greed by 1% of population. The money they have is not enough; they want more and more. Why is that acceptable in this day and age? We have a moral problem in this country, and until we recognize that, this country will crumble.

Scott Bogenvia Facebook

To answer your last question, all protests are as legal as they've ever been. It must be understood that protesters are citizens, too, and if a protest specifically disregards a law, it is a criminal protest and should not be tolerated...

I have a few questions: It must be understood that protesters are citizens, too, and if a protest specifically disregards a law, it is a criminal protest and should not be tolerated.

Scott,

I have several questions that I would like to ask you.

Let's get back to basics.

This is an easy one...

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition...a redress of grievances.

Scott, did you see the New York City police spraying mace in the faces of 4 peaceful female protesters?

At the University of California at Davis, did you see the security police spraying mace in the young faces of the peaceful students that were protesting?

Google the above 2 incidents...you will cringe.

In both of the protests, the people were peaceful.

However, because the demonstrators' message of decrying our country's great economic disparity is not a popular message with everyone, they were the victims of violence.

1. Who here has the money to prosecute the business criminals?

The financial costs of prosecuting the Wall Street and Corporate law breakers should not impede justice.

"Who has the money to prosecute?"

The same authorities that had the money to arrest and lock up thousands of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators.

2. What repercussions could follow such a trial?

Guilty law breakers go to jail.

Financial restitution should also be made to the victims of these well-thought out financial crimes.

3. Is this the job of the Seattle/Boston Police Department? If not, why would the "authorities" even pay attention to big business spending (opposed to the Occupiers)?

Wherever these economic thieves "based" their illegal activities, those are the counties that they should be prosecuted in. State Attorney Generals are determined to hold these "bad guys" accountable.

If the AGs do not have a problem with prosecution - neither should you.

4. Could the economy thrive (or even survive) without big business?

The U.S. economy cannot thrive and has spun into chaos under investment fraud, stock fraud, insider trading, toxic securities, mortgage fraud, robo signing, tax evasion and job outsourcing.

Scott, your "messed up" perspective is giving me a headache.

5. Has OWS done anything?

Occupy Wall Street has awakened peoples' conscience. The movement has caused people to think about the serious economic, political and social inequalities in our society. The movement has caused citizens to expect that every person who is willing to work hard and play by a fair compilation of societial rules - should have fair opportunities for employment, housing, health care, education and justice.

The movement has highlighted that a high station in life should not guarantee a person immunity in being held accountable for the commision of serious and purposeful crimes.

OWS has been a failed attempt at making change.

Peaceful protest and civil disobedience is Action.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101344_2101369_2101667,00.html

Heck, if you're running low on ideas, look to South Vietnam. Their opinionated folks committed mass suicide by fire just to make a point.

Mass Suicide committed by our citizens would not resolve our country's economic problems.

Occupiers: do something or disassemble.

The Great Civil Rights movement of the 1950's and 1960's did not achieve their Historic Goals overnight.

The wheels of justice turn very slowly.

The Occupiers determination to not fade away is proof of their awareness that positive change does not happen overnight.

I already referred you to Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire. I'm not going to lolligag on that issue too much longer. I will inform you that it was not the protest that was illegal, it was the illegal trespassing. Sure, you'd might say that the trespassing is not a big deal, but what happens when the trespassors litter? Steal? Vandalize? Rape? You cannot be above the law simply because you are in a protest. If Occupy Seattle and Occupy Boston held legal protests, everyone would be fine with it. Just for fun, let's say that this wasn't on a university campus, but rather on in your lawn. Also, let's assume that instead of an Occupy rally, it is a massive KKK rally. Call me crazy, but I think you'd give the protesters less time to disperse than did either Boston or Seattle.

I'll make it simple: How much do you think it would cost a state simply for the pre-trial hearings for such an issue?

Listen man, I wish we could stack these business criminals in a single prison cell, too. I do see the illegality of their actions. I am simply not convinced that a few hundred fraud convictions would be financially beneficial to anyone. We're $15,100,000,000,000 in the hole as it is. I think that if we did have the money to go through with a few of the well-needed prosecutions, I think California (among others) would be seceded as a state for breaking the federal law regarding marijuana.

It would be wise to acknowledge that the Civil Rights movement dealed with a moral issue, not a legal issue.

Regardless, I would like to say that I hope OWS continues their movement. I like the movement because, in the end, either justice will be served or Americans will become more restless. I'm a big fan of the disasters, riots, disorder, and tension, you know? Any day I turn on my TV and I see that eight protesters were dragged away by their hair or a car was flipped, I'm a happy guy.

Scott,

It does not matter where you referred me.

I gave you the 1st Amendment to the U.S. constitution.

The 1st Amendment is the legal platform that gives the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators the right to protest. Because the protesters' message is politically uncomfortable, for political expediency, the 1st Amendment should not be shelved. The ignorant and the elites do not like the fact that the protesters are highlighting unfairness in our society.

lolligag and illegal trespassing

Scott, these words are absurd.

The trampling on the grass of America's parks by the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators cannot be compared with the significant and long-lasting economic abyss caused by Wall Street, the Banks and Corporate America. These 3 entities have sunk our economy and have caused this country to lose millions of jobs and Trillions of dollars.

No reasonable comparison can be made by what some people see as "breaking park rules" and the tanking of the U.S. economy by the greedy.

Steal? Vandalize? Rape?

These claims is an attempt by the Right Wing to broad brushly paint the protesters and to discredit the movement. By the way stealing, vandalizing and raping is exactly what the 3 above entities have done to America.

Just for fun, let's say that this wasn't on a university campus, but rather on in your lawn. Also, let's assume that instead of an Occupy rally, it is a massive KKK rally. Call me crazy

There is nothing funny about the struggle to protect America's majority people.

There is nothing funny about enuring that this country has a middle class and about not having the poor annihilated.

Occupy Wall Street did not protest on anyone's "lawn."

The demonstrators protested on public property.

By the way, my lad...the KKK just like the GOP and the Tea Party stand for and promote hate.

Occupy Wall Street promotes equality and progress for everyone in America.

You do sound a bit crazy.

I'll make it simple: How much do you think it would cost a state simply for the pre-trial hearings for such an issue?

You cannot make anything simple.

Financial costs should not be an impediment to prosecuting the lofty theives.

If the state Attorney Generals do not have a problem with the costs of holding the guilty accountable - again, neither should you. Whatever the financial costs are to hold accountable these people who have brought economic devastation to America those cost will not equal - the Trillions of Dollars that they stole.

I am simply not convinced that a few hundred fraud convictions would be financially beneficial to anyone. We're $15,100,000,000,000 in the hole as it is.

Legal prosecution is a deterrent.

If the guilty are not held accountable, they and others will continue to break the law.

I hope that you take your "do not punish" the guilty attitude with you the next time you see a homeless person possibly steal a sandwich because he has lost his job and is hungry.

Let the man go Scott - he is only hungary and wants food to eat.

I think California (among others) would be seceded as a state for breaking the federal law regarding marijuana.

California would dare not secede from the U.S.

California's finances are in a dire state.

The state's governor, legislators and citizens know that they desperately need federal funds to survive.

It would be wise to acknowledge that the Civil Rights movement dealed with a moral issue, not a legal issue.

Scott, you mean well...but you are confused and off base.

The Civil Right movement was a legal and moral issue!

Jim Crow and segregation was legal in southern states. These laws deprived African Americans of the right to vote, to buy homes, to have equal access to education, to have access to non-segregated transportation, to have access to accommodations at hotels, restaurants, parks, and total disenfranchisement in the legal justice system.

The 13th amendment emancipated African Americans.

Therefore, Jim Crow was not only illegal - but it mandated the African Americans be treated in an inhumane manner.

You cannot separate the illegality and immorality of Jim Crow.

Regardless, I would like to say that I hope OWS continues their movement.

This is the only point that we agree on.

I'm a big fan of the disasters, riots, disorder, and tension, you know? Any day I turn on my TV and I see that eight protesters were dragged away by their hair or a car was flipped, I'm a happy guy.

American citizens should not be mistreated calling for equality and progress.

Hopefully, our citizens will not continue to be injured because they want a true Democracy.

The great accomplishment of Occupy Wall Street is that it awakened the minds of many people.

The movement forced our citizens to face the cruel fact that our system is economically, politically and socially stubbornly biased and unfair. The demonstrators also have caused our people to realize that the growing economic and income disparities have sunk many middle class folks and that unless these serious domestic issues are addressed...the America we once knew will completely vanish.

The protests of the brave women and men of Occupy Wall Street is now a historical achievement.

From Time Magazine...

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101344_2101369_2101667,00.html

OWS is alive and well. I think OWS has, more so than at any other time, called our attention to the very great amount of inequality in the US. The middle class has taken a very bad hit in the past 30 years, while the 1% has grown more wealthy than at any other time in our history, and they have lost nothing. This truth has not been lost on the public, especially those who are unemployed, those whose jobs are threatened, and those who have lost pensions and houses to the Wall Street shenanigans.

Like other social movements in the past, OWS will evolve new tactics over time. Look for OWS to be active in the 2012 elections and in support of more stringent controls on Wall Street.

Big Question - if OWS is done why are the 1% bribing the police -Why did Luntz - the guru wordsmith say he is scared to death of them - they are like evolving amoeba

Did anyone catch the Better Business Holiday Party, where some protesters laid in front of the entrance with rugs on them and a sign that said "Walk on Me! - brilliant!

No they are not going away - what is the phrase? I'm having a Perry moment, but the end is to fight another day

Just don't keep claiming to represent me. Get a life.

OWS has called attention to how badly educated are youth are these days. How is it they think anyone owes them anything? OWeS, right?

LOL

The OWS squatters need to realize that success comes from hard work and focus. You don't earn success by holding up a sign and illegally camping in the park. You are owed nothing by the people who take responsibility and work for what they have. Other peoples wealth have nothing to do with taking wealth from you. Envy is a destructive force that leads to nothing but destructive behavior and personal angst.

Nowhere are there more opportunities to succeed than here in America. I have personally been to some of these "occupy" sites and sympathize with them very little complaining about the evils of Corporations while talking on their cell phones or chatting on their laptops with friends on Facebook.

I call it the "Spoiled Kid Syndrome".

I think America is catching on to the hypocrisy

Ron and all your minions -these are just not so -called "kids" Buy into the hard work - and then your job is sent overseas - from what I saw - grey beards - older people at fifty are let go - yes the snap shots are of kids because that's what they want you to believe - same propaganda during the Viet Nam protesters - however an attorney tried to talk to her representative in DC and was denied access I doubt she was a kid

And succeeding in America - BS - my husband just talked tonight with a bartender - took him three years to get a job - he has a Masters in Public Administration

So cut your crap - the middle class has piece by piece being disassembled - and you say young people - today's young people did what was told, they went to war, they got their education only to find they are not wanted -

Furthermore - they are not squatters, they are occupyers - big difference Ron and frankly Ron I really don't think you've been any where near these people to hear anything - just another lie to make you seem authorative - from what you post you haven't been within five miles from these people

Oh how you lie with such conviction - sorry I don't believe a word you said

Playing the blame game and feeling sorry for oneself will not advance ones prospects, opportunities or lead to anything good. One can chose to whine and blame others for their troubles or actively take part in finding a way to earn an acceptable living. It can be done even in this economic environment. You'll never be successful by simply blaming others for your woes.

Once you stop expecting the government or others to provide your every wish you will realize that it is up to you to provide for your own success. Or ... you can just adjust your lifestyle and live off government assistance (which won't be much ... and shouldn't be much if you are healthy and capable of providing for yourself). If you don't like it, then stop complaining and start taking personal responsibility for finding better.

The choice is yours.

My hope is: ows is alive and well, just in a planning stage.This country needs ows. Well said Barbara Adams Jackson. 2012 is a very important year for this country. I am one of the gray haired ones that cheers them. This coming summer will be an exciting one to stay in tune with.

This country was founded by unlawful (at that time) acts. Read your history books. (or google) GO OWS

As stated by Fred earlier, OWS shows how badly educated our youth is. Only 33 percent of people polled agree with OWS, yet these educated youth still think they are in the 99 percent. Apparently simple math was not strongly pursued by these protestors on their way to highly sought after college degrees like Art History and Classical Studies.

Good morning all. For the ows supporters, time to wake up. Look at the comments on this thread, and look at how many votes are given to the ones that support the occupiers. Very little indeed. The ones you claim are part of the 99%, are tired of your games. They don't believe you (neither do I) and want you to stop being a nuisance to society. You do not speak for the country as you would like to believe, so stop saying your there for me.

Barbara you hit the nail on the head about Ronnie boy. He's all bravado but no substance. He claims to have been to an "occupy site" and seen these hippy kids. Well I've been to these sites also and there were more than just college age students. There was an excellent cross section of middle America including all ages, sexes, religions, philosophies and political parties. You name it, they were there. People are suffering in this country and they are coming together within the occupy movement. It's taking time, but it will grow more and more with each passing day. The media loves it when a camp gets closed down by the police of a city wanting the group gone from their radar, but that isn't going to stop the desire of the movement despite all the Rons and Waynes and Freds out there who'd like to see the people get their heads crushed in.

Well really did OWS have a chance? Our society no longer belives in free speech or protests if they dont like whats being said.

Plus probally a good thing they left. Would hate to see them get thrown in one of those Fema prision camps. People would have crapped there pants to see military draggin ya off. Then labled you as a terrorist.

Guess when Oboma sighns the new bill into law soon. mybe they will consider gangs terrorists and remove them and put them in camps for life. Should be interesting.

But wait under the new law even the Tea party can be seen as terrorist. love it, good times ahead

A masters in Public Administration? No wonder he cant get a job.

OWS had a multitude of other smaller groups latch on to their cause. So OWS was not just one group. It was a group of groups. And yes, some had some unrealistic and unreasonable views. But the core message of "we need more help down here at the bottom", was a unanimous one. And so was the call for cleaning up the political and financial system. The fact is, the country needs its consumer base to remain a prosperous country. The requires a healthy middle class and low unemployment.

Henry Ford made it a point of paying his employees enough to buy the cars they made. It was the secret to his success, and our systems success in the past

go getter - do you believe all the lies being told about them There are no drugs, there is no violence only by the police, no parties, actually they set up libraries which the New York police vandalized and what law? What about public parks do you not understand? The word public means me, you and when is the last time you went to one of these so called "Public Parks" that there wasn't a list of do's and don't's - Sorry my taxes pay for these public parks and I say let the public occupy them

Using a park means abiding by the rules of the park, it doesnt mean you get to live there and trash it.

@Barbara Adams Jackson

If you think that public parks are meant for people to live in, it is very apparent that you need to go read a book sometime.

What is the Occupy movement about, again? Ok let try to explain this to the mentally challenged. You heard of the Occupy Wall Street MAIN slogan "We are the 99%", right? If your not aware of the economy of America has been compared to the great depression. There are over 10 million Americans out of work with over 45 million living off food stamps! The Occupiers feel that the 1% control the direction and laws which govern our day-to-day lives. The congress and the White House are not interested in 99% because they CANNOT benefit from them.

Examples: The Glass-Steagall Act, officially known as the Banking Act of 1933. The bill forbid banks from getting into the investment business. Then congress with help of the president, repealed Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999. This would eventually cause the mortgage crises of 2008 and our economy still hasn't recovered from that disaster. This only the tip of iceberg what about MIC (military industrial complex) of which makes sure we are always in some kind of war since the Vietnam days (70's). Even though the majority of Americans oppose it; we have NO SAY in the matter.

Are you beginning to understand what the movement stands for?

Whatever valid message OWS has gets lost by all the anti-American @!$%# they allow to take place in their name. Until they have the balls or intelligence to stand up publicly and purge the Communists, Socialists, Anarchists and Revolutionaries from their ranks and tell the rest of us that they will no longer accept their support, they will continue to be seen as only a bunch of lawless crybabie losers that want to be rewarded for simply existing and shirking work in lieu of taking personal responsibility for themselves.

yep, these are just the tip......And yet people will choose to be blinded by the truth. They find it hard to understand that our economic and governmental systems have failed us. they refuse to believe that our gov and those running the fed. res. are traitors. and we (99%) are paying for it. They refuse to believe that this is a world wide movement (not just in usa). That Millions are in volved, not just thousands. If America Falls to the 1% we all will loose, The whole world will be enslaved...

JB - the word Hippy went out in what the 80's really dates you doesn't it? Sorry old guy - keep up with the times - you know the word baby boomers - well I guess we have to make up a new word for these protesters - how about the disenfranchised - Geez Hippies? Sorry the world left you behind - old guy

"ww III is coming."? What does THAT mean?

ww III is coming means that doncat is running out of hyperbole and is scraping the bottom of the bowl to get every last ounce of it he can

newwtricks....lol

Maybe you should ask your congressman why they activated more that 1000 fema camps across the usa, some of wich can hold over 1mil people. becarefull though you might become a resident yourself.

seamus - my only reply to you is pick up a good book I'm sure you haven't read one in years - other than that you make my stomach turn

Do not include me in that 99% BS. I am part of the 53% who WORKED for what I have. I PAID my college loans. Nobody GAVE me a dime in help. I spent 20 plus years in uniform defending this country. I PAID off my HOUSE, CAR and in that am fortunate not to have that hanging over my head.

You do not represent me or anyone else who worked hard, saved or scrimped for their families. You DEMAND to be given a job, handout anything and everything and if you do not have it, you take it or beg the govt to give it to you.

Someone on this board said that the ows people were not SQUATTERS but OCCUPIERS. Well, tell that to those in NYC who broke into a foreclosed house and "gave it to a family OTHER THAN THE OWNERS WHO LOST IT THROUGH FORECLOSER." Nothing legal about it. Just smash and grab in the name of the so-called 99%.

concerned, like you I served our county (10 years US Army) and when I left the Army I went out and fond a job, worked my butt off and am now making good money because of my efforts. I did not whine about how unfair it was that some people made more money than me, I worried about me and mine. This OWS nonsense is a prime example of class warfare and envy fueled by the prresident himself. There are those who achieve, those who follow achievers examples, and those who stand on the sideline whining about how unfair life is. I pay my federal taxes (unlike 47% of other US citizens) and even served my country protecting the rights of the OWS crowd to demonstrate how dumb they really are.

lol...ranting certainly dont change anything.

Hey Bill are you funneling Newt in the bath BS - glad to see your paying attention in the Faux News propaganda - now tell me about the lovely Iraq young man war veteran who got hit by a canister, who by the way had a day job and decided to abide by the swearing of the Constitution and support the protesters - unlike those morons you support who swore to a lobbyist constitution - Grover Norquist - tell which came first the chicken or the egg? I always thought the United States of America came first and the chicken Grover Norquist should come second or maybe last

So get off your high horse and really see who is destroying this country

Politicians from both parties, and those that blindly follow their party while pointing their fingers at their opposition? I think that is a part of what is destroying the country. I think when they took the mother out of the home during WW2, as now it takes two incomes to raise a family with no one home to watch the children, that had some help in the destruction as well. The new baby sitter is the smart phone.

Doncat: LOL, what a hypocrit you are! Maybe you should try that line on the ows, after all, they are the ones cornering the market on it. HAHAHA

Barbara: Again with the faux news? Is that all you tired ows whiners can come up with when someone disagrees with you? LOL. Are you talking about the same "lovely iraq war veteran" that was dishonorably discharged? Yep, same one. Oh yeah, that's winner right there. Do me a favor, don't ever compare him to all the HONORABLE service members again. You do them a great injustice. We all see who's destroying this great country, you will too, when you look in a mirror.

Katie: Hypocrite? have no idea why you say that, but I guess you dont have to.., just your words of irrational thought and nothing to back it up....

Doncat: Is that the best you could come back with? I called you a hypocrite because you told Bill 1313973 that his ranting doesn't change anything. Yet you overlook the way the ows continue to rant and continue to break the law. Hence hypocritical. Is that any clearer for you? Or is that still too irrational for you? Too bad.

What do you mean "ww III is coming"? Hellllooo, doncat?

look around on web..the truth is there....surrounding Egypt, air base in austrailia, the sighns are there...the corperate world is about to take this planet, and put anyone who speaks out against them in these fema camps.. They are preparing for a world war...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFUt6PDU8pk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ot_Q4yFp9g

yeah sure your people said that in the 90s too and in 2000. remember in 2000 how Y2K was gonna force people into camps? lol Doctored YouTube videos don't help your cause. fool me once shame on you fool me twice ashameonme.

Danny: I see you are well versed in msm (main stream media) propaganda. and videos i linked were not doctored, I know you would like to believe that. the links are just a sample. if you look around with info provided there is much more. but you are more inclined to believe corperate media (msm) than what is really going on...I once thought like you, I have said the same things as you, but i became informed. Open your mind and your heart. Maybe then you might understand what is going on... The real truth is out there...

Doncat: Why is it propaganda when it doesn't support your beliefs, but truth when it's your news preference?

Katie; you are mistaken. if anything i pose to people alternative toward the truth..I know these days Truth is a matter of perception. But i say to you just like every one else...Feel free to prove me wrong. If you've done the research show me, don't just talk bs with nothing to back it up...because I've done the research.

Doncat: You've already proven it for me. Thanks by the way. When you say "alternative to the truth", you've shot your stance to hell. There is truth and there is lies, no middle ground. But that does help with understanding your thought process, or the lack thereof.

And i posted "Alternative toward the truth"...i did not say to the truth. in other words, i was saying that i post links for others to decide which is true or not. I'm sure you have no problem deciding for others what is true and what is not. And in today's world the truth is a matter of perception. so i can understand your dilemma.

The country being broke was not caused by Wall Street. It was caused by the American attitude that living here should be a free ride for the so-called under-priveledged. OWS is mad at the rich, well my friend the rich pay 90% of the taxes in this country while 40% of our population pays nothing. If all those who enjoy the benefits and freedoms of living here, which are not cheap, paid taxes the country wouldn't be broke. I do agree that the Defense department, depart of energy (which does nothing to produce energy), department of education (which does nothing to educate our people) are wasting huge sums of money. In a country where the majority of tax $'s go to social programs, what would you expect? That's why we're broke.

Mompantero, Very well said, thank you.

excuse me? who are you and what are you planning on doing? I'm watching your posts.

ooooo...I'm shaking in my boots. Looks like you've got your pants around your ankles again...stop playing with yourself, pull your shorts up, and get lost.