I think most schools do have a mandatory dress code but if parents don't educate themselves on the standards then the kids will go any old way they wish. Most standard are listed in a school handbook.

The elementary and middle schools in our zone will enforce dress code. This has it's good points and bad. I don't mind so much taking clothes to school, I have only had to do it once, but I don't like that they take the kids out of class until the clothes arrive.

In my opinion a dress code violation is minimal and not worth missing lesson time to correct the issue.

Are we kidding ourselves?

Let the kids wear what they want and see how well those kids do in school. See how well they advance in society. See what successes they have in the job market. It's call attrition. Leave the losers in the looser corner. Society should set the rules in how they are respected. No, I do not appreciate seeing some losers underwear or enjoy watching him grab his genitalia. When I see that in public I always comment with a question, "What , are you afraid it might fall off?, Then quit playing with it"! They deserve no respect. It is not fashion, it is defiance of socially acceptable behaviour.

I completely agree.

What's wrong with having high expectations of kids, they usually rise to the occasion if given a chance.

I'm with Peel..... let them dress how they want, but be sure and have a police officer at all school entrances so they can arrest them for indecent exposure.

You know, looking through this thread I am amazed at how many people are simply assuming that anyone that wears saggy pants is going to grow up to be an unemployable bum. Post after post after post makes the claim that "no one will hire anyone that wears saggy pants". I have yet to see anyone post any evidence to support the assertion that saggy pants has a negative causal influence on one's future job prospects. Surely you are all smart enough to realize that the 20 year old that lets his pants hang low won't be doing that on the job when he is 35 (at least most won't). If you don't like looking at it, there is a simple solution:

DON'T.

Seriously, you are perfectly free to look in any direction you want. No one is forcing you to look at anything -- ever. Your eyes move and so does your head. I don't particularly like looking at the saggy pants so I don't. Problem solved.

I can't help but wonder if any of you are old enough to remember the 1970's. I am. The adults back then said **EXACTLY** the same things about the people of my generation. "What kind of parent lets a boy go out in public with long hair", they said. "No one will hire Junicon because he wears his hair long like a girl", they said. Well I haven't worn my hair long for a great many years but I have a doctorate and a good job.

What most of you don't seem to realize is that the saggy pants thing is no different from what EVERY generation has done. EVERY generation of young people talks, dresses, and acts in ways that emphasize their independence from the previous generation. The adults panic and talk about how awful the younger generation is. Then those young people grow up, have kids, and react to the next generation's fashions with exactly the same horror that their own parents did when they were young.

It's been going on as long as our species has existed. To my fellow middle aged parents, let me say take heart: the saggy pants young people will eventually pull their pants up and get good jobs. Then, 20 years from now, it will be THEIR turn to gasp in horror at the awful things that THEIR kids wear in public.

Like most of my fellow middle aged folks, I think the saggy pants thing looks silly. However, most of you are missing the point. It's not SUPPOSED to look good to graying middle aged parents like us. It's part of the instinctive drive toward independence that EVERY generation shows at that age.

Peel is apparently 16 years old.

It's called socialization, kid. A successful society has social mores to which the vast majority of its members adhere fairly closely. That way we're all on the same sheet of music and can readily identify others of like mind. You want to dress like a thug? Go ahead. But, expect to be treated as one.

Maybe nude schools are the answer.

Uniforms are the answer to this problem. That way there is no class distinction at all and there is not a problem as to what the kid is wearing to school every day of the week.

jUNICON,

So if I decide to run around unzipped and without underwear it is your fault for looking at my privates hanging out and I should be allowed to walk around that way? After all it is my independence as a middle aged parent to let it all hang out. Your arguments make no sense. They also drink and do drugs too and commit other crimes maybe we should just let them have that right too.

This is a bad generation, they are lax at school grades and shuffle around playing with their smart phones thinking my generation owes them. Most of these slobby children have no clue about the world and what real work is. We lack discipline and what we get is lack of respect and this is what has become of our generations caretakers.

miker i am a 35 year old black man and i have naever worn my pants sagging even as a teenager. i don't have a criminal record either but i am regularly followes in stores even out into the parking lot somestimes. so those people are not using my style of dress to decide in their minds whether or not i am a thug, so it must be somethingelse. Besides when those white woman were doing their naked protest no one complained.

It's not about socialism or conformity, it's about being respectful and decent in a public area. There has to be limitations on what is appropriate and what isn't. W/out them, it leads to sagging clothing showing underwear, revealing clothing showing T&A. Like the old adage, there is a time and place for everything.

The pants around the ass movement started because in manycorrectional facilities, such as rikers Island in NYC, they will remove your belt causing your pants to fall off-so the little "wanna be" gangsters try to emulate the look.

While LE loves the look as it is much easier to catch a perp whose pants keep falling around his ankels there is a way to stop kids from dressing this way.

The answer is stick their dumb asses in jail/prison for a week. Send Joe Droopy jeans to Attica for a week and see how quick he changes his mind about showing the world his ass.

Yeah who cares if my daughter is forced to have your son's ass in her face because his pants are around his ankles while he walks.

While LE loves the look as it is much easier to catch a perp whose pants keep falling around his ankels there is a way to stop kids from dressing this way.

I mean ankles-sticky "e" on the keyboard.

If your daughter cant help but look..... maybe it's promiscuity and not a style that you're really concerned about.

@karowe: Undoubtedly people will judge unfairly based on any number of criteria. In your case, it seems obvious that you're being followed simply because you're black. But, given your personal experience I'm sure you'd be the first to agree that it would be much, much worse for you if you showed up in those same stores wearing your pants half way down your ass, shoes untied, and a hoodie with the hood over your head.

Peel

Pick up your damn pants you look like an ass.

I have yet to see on faculty member or for that matter even a student here with their pants around their knees. The reason-because some places still have standards. We have become so tolerant that we allow kids to walk the streets with their asses in the breeze because we don't want to offend their individuality. When does on decide it's time to pick up their pants? Is 18 old enough or maybe 25 or maybe when they have been unemployed for 30 years.

Sagging of the pants derived from prison. But in prison it means a whole different story. In prison when inmates "sag" their pants it mean that they are ready for butt sex. I'm guessing all these kids these days are into butt sex with one another?

Mandatory uniforms will solve this problem! Don't f.ck around with this and just make it the law.

Many of you don't seem to realize that there's a huge difference between "it looks bad" and "we need a rule to stop it". The former is a fact we can all agree upon. The latter is an infringement of rights.

Great Idea! I say we all donate our old and ugly belts to our local schools. Maybe kids will think twice if they have to wear an unfashionable belt as a statement about their fashion choices. Maybe a few over sized shirts to cover other areas of overexposure also.

One way to stop this stupid looking fashion statement is for the parents to start doing it. Kids don't want to look like their parents.

College will solve their problems. Most campuses are too big for sagging to even be possible, and if they don't get into college, chances are it's not due to sagging.

The kids are just trying to be cool. What their parents failed to teach them is that being cool has nothing to do with what kind or how you where your clothes, what kind of car you drive, how loud you play the bass in your car, etc.

The rule is: If you are trying to be cool, the you are not.

But those who aren't cool will inevitably want to be cool. They need to be taught how to be cool, but by whom?

I'm 59.

My sons, now 28 &30, wore their pants sagged when they were younger.

I started to say something about it - then I had a Memory FLASH.

Back when I was in middle school we wore pegged pants. Have you seen the skinny jeans? Those are just pegged pants Part Deux.

I remember getting on the school bus and ripping out my crotch. Mom had to take me to school late.

I decided that at least the sagged pants were more comfortable and more practical.

I didn't say anything.

For them the fad was short lived. I also taught my kids to be independent and not follow the "crowd". They realized it was a silly fashion on their own.

My oldest had his realization when he was late getting up to deliver newspapers. He forgot his belt and had to run with one hand on his pants dropping papers as he went door to door. It was too late to take his bike so I sat in the car chuckling the whole time.

hs - The kids are just trying to be cool.

I agree that they eventually will grow out of this phase. One would hope. The saggy pants "style" came from kids (poor ghetto kids, mostly) emulating the guys in prison who have had their belts taken away from them, causing their pants to sag. It would be a wonderful world if kids could find better role models, however.

Mandatory uniforms do NOT solve the problems UNLESS the school spells out the brand to be bought or sells the uniforms through the school. I'm in the uniform business in the USVI and one of the problems is that unless the school says "this is the brand to use", you end up with all kinds of designer clothing (pants and skirts at least) and every year the kids want the "latest in-style." Not every parent can afford to buy their kids designer jeans, etc. so you still get "class distinction."

As far as the saggy looks, if a person comes into my store dressed sloppily, I just tell them we are not hiring at the moment. I'd really love to tell them to their face that if they can't report for an interview dressed appropriately for the business community, then they shouldn't expect to get hired anywhere. Appearance DOES matter, especially in the retail or office environment. As others have said, sloppy dress shows a lack of respect for their fellow employees and their business' customers.

Isn't this "government interference"? I guess it doesn't count if it's correcting something that offends conservatives. Kind of like telling people who they can marry. Just don't take away my semi-automatic.

rdh, they already wear the oversized shirts along with the six sizes too big pants. It doesn't "hide" anything, just adds to the sloppy look they are trying to create. I often wonder how they manage to walk when the crotch of their pants is clear down to their knees.....maybe that's why they wear them six sized too big????? They need the extra room to be able to walk in them?

sam, it's not just "conservatives" who don't like the sagging look. I'm a GDI and I know many liberals who feel the same way about the look.

I can't help but look but it's not because I like what I see. It's because it's everywhere so I'd have to wear a bag on my head to keep from seeing. I don't intend to gouge my eyes out so my solution is ridicule. I let these guys know that I don't think seeing their butt cracks is cool. Last time I told a guy to "Just say no to crack," he blushed and pulled his pants up.

It might surprise you to know that not all kids think saggy pants are cool. My sons never did it and got embarrassed when their friends did. I know several young women (some of which are considered hot by young men) that refuse to date or pay attention to any guy that lets his pants sag. As one put it "If he doesn't know how to wear clothes he's a moron." I couldn't have put it better myself.

What's so ironic is that most of the people criticizing fashion today probably heard the same thing about the hippie clothes they wore when they were young from disapproving adults that had grown up themselves with duck-tails and bobby-socks that their parents from the 20's and 30's also criticized and then before that it was the flappers that were being complained about. And before that it was dresses that showed ankle. No previous generation has ever liked the fashion changes of the generations that followed.

AnotherLBowman1

I can't help but look....

Sounds like someone has impulse-control issues. Are you sure you don't like what you see? You know Bishop Eddie Long and Marcus Bachmann claim they aren't gay but.... :-)

Principal James Blake says the school is willing to try anything to give students the opportunity to do the right thing.

I have written an article about this subject of free expression. Our government run schools should have absolutely no say in how the children of American adults should be dressed. It isn't their place to determine that when the parents should be making choices in regards to their children and what they will buy and tolerate. The act of punishing children or anyone that dresses in any way is inherently unconstitutional and is a serious violation of civil liberties.

School is supposed to prepare students for the world of work. I don't think these are many jobs out there that don't have some kind of dress code, even if it is unofficial.

Irrelevant to our rights. Yes, private organizations can demand that their workers dress in the same uniform. Probably related to the "worker bee" mentality I suppose. But we have rights under the Constitution and the government can't legally limit them in their establishments. It isn't their place to dictate how any citizen can dress.

To any of you ignorant fools that want proof that wearing saggy pants prevents you from employment opportunities. Here is one:

I typically interview approx 50-75 people annually and I would never hire some idiot that thinks its cool to wear their pants at their knees. At the same time, I wouldn't hire someon that walked in to an interview thinking it is ok to wear a hat. Personally I think that most of the people on this thread think this way. It's ok to wear a hat or earrings (male), but not into an interview. So this is just a newer "fashion" (that most of us think makes someone look like an idiot), that most of us don't agree with. That still doesn't give us the right to tell them they can't do it. You do notice that the only people you see like this are either kids or older dumbazzez that don't have jobs. There was a time when boys couldn't wear an earring to school. Don't become those closed minded individuals that we remember as kids.

At the same time, be a good parent and prepare your kids to become adults that are ABLE to get a job. It won't happen if they think they can "just be themselves" during an interview.

If they are "over-exposing" themselves, make them take their pants off and spend the rest of the school day that way. Their classmates will take care of the "re-enforcement" part. Give them back their pants when it's time to go home.

@sam adams, Are you really trying to make this political? Jeeezzzz! By the way, the generation that has their ass hanging out of their pants are the same ones who will be convinced that the name you use here is only a beer maker.

Now I personally find it offensive when old men have their pants pulled up so high you can see their "business" hanging down one pants leg. Why dont all the fashion police have an issue with that, it's much more vulgar.

LMAO, meanestone! I was going to say nearly the same thing. Old men walk around pants pulled up around their chests, so you can see their camel toe. It's sickening. At least with sagging, you see no bulge; all you see is more cotton - the cotton of their underpants, which, for the life of me, I can't understand how cotton is so offensive. It's clothing, is it not? It's the same material they make summer shorts out of. Get a grip! Meanwhile, most of you are viewing porn at home and the guys in your porn have NO underwear on but you don't object to that for some reason. LMAO.

Not all jobs look down on saggy pants. They could become clowns.

Old men walk around pants pulled up around their chests, so you can see their camel toe. It's sickening.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The oversized shirts are for the girls with tops that are too low and thongs hanging out. I mentioned this to my 16 year old daughter and she told me that their vice principal keeps a bunch of old sweaters that she has kids with too much skin exposed wear. It's a health and safety thing (December in WI gotta dress for the weather lol)

You are right, to hell with rules and dress code policies. I mean as long as they are learning they should be able to do whatever they want.

Right?

Wrong, it is about both-and more. School is supposed to prepare students for the world of work. I don't think these are many jobs out there that don't have some kind of dress code, even if it is unofficial. To move forward, they better be able to figure out the dress code. I like the idea of school uniforms. Put everyone at the school on an equal footing. Adolescents want to express their individuality, I get that, but they need to be taught that there is a time and place.

Teaching them how to dress is important for them to move forward in life, that should be done at home. It's a shame parents can't manage to teach their kids something so basic. No one is going to get a job wearing pants that show their underwear which are usually some bright and flashy boxers from what I've seen. No one respects that, least of all, employers.

Are you serious? It's not about how they dress? Ok, so you are one of those people who doesn't follow the rules and just does (and lets your children) do what they want...

So, when your child gets a job and they go to work with saggy ars pants, gets fired for not dressing appropriately, you will say "WELL, IT ISN'T HOW THEY DRESS IT'S THE WORK THEY DO THAT COUNTS..

IDIOT, GEEZE, NO WONDER OUR COUNTRY IS SO MESSED UP...

The way people dress has been ever changing. When I was a young lad, my father wore a nice button up shirt, nice pants, black socks, a tie, and polished dress shoes to work as an engineer every day. Nowadays, he dresses in a pretty nice shirt, blue jeans, and sneakers. I dress in a flannel shirt, blue jeans, and work boots. Of course I've ruined so many of my clothes working where I work that there is no point in me wearing anything nice except when I meet with the investors.

Yes, I am not that old and I look with scorn at the idiots with their pants hanging off their bodies. It was the trend when I was in school too. I say, stop wasting tax payer money and let these kids have some embarrassing moments where their pants fall off. If it happens enough times, the kids will become the laughing stock of the school and start wearing stuff that fits!

I was a school nurse in Texas for 25 years. If you think any tax dollars are used to buy belts, you're wrong. We did the same thing (handing out belts) and I was the lucky one in charge of handing them out to kids who came to school with their jeans hanging off their hips. The belts, the underwear, the jeans, the shirts--all the things I handed out in my many years working in a low income school--were all collected by ME and those who chose to help. In other words, we were HELPING because the parents were often not home when their children dressed themselves for school. It is a teachable moment, it is a CARING moment. The message? "We want you to look your best because it's important for your success."

Clem...no, not to hell with the rules. But clothing is not the most important aspect of school either...it is about the information and how they learn...Schools are trending toward imposing so many rules that education seems to be getting lost in priority. No kids should not expose their under clothing...not underwear not bras etc....But to eject them from class to wait for other clothes is counter productive to their education.

Truly, my children are not a problem...they know what the rules are now and the follow the expectation. Our infraction was that my daughter wore a pair of leggings under a skirt that was 2 inches too short for the school here. She was not being immodest at all and she was able to wear the same outfit at the school she had attended before. European standards are obviously different from American standards. I took a pair of jeans and she was let back in class.

I have no problem thinking that my children will dress appropriately for whatever job they end up doing when they grow up. Dressing for a job will not always mean a suit or a pair of slacks. I have no worries that my kids would dress appropriately for an occasion if the school never imposed a standard. They learn this at home...they even all know how to iron...not something taught at school although it wouldn't surprise me if that turned up as an elective.

If schools wish to impose a dress code on the students then they should model this with requiring teachers and other staff to dress to a professional standard...I would love to see teacher get back to wearing dress slacks and ties or suits to school...but that isn't going to happen as a rule and few seem to have the inclination to model professional dress.

Schools need to focus on the information of education and allow parents to teach their children common sense, manners and positive behavior.

At the very least, they should cover up their underwear. It's not a matter of them learning, it's a matter of them distracting others from learning. Save the 'I wanna be a prison b****' look for after school.

Same goes for skimpy clothing on girls. Cover it up.

That is so correct. Kids have to learn that when they go to job interviews and are employed that their employers have definite dress codes and if they do not, or will not, abide by them they will be let go. Life is a series of rules and regulations and whether we agree with them or not that is the way it is and no employer is going to hire a person who wears baggy pants, torn shirts with messages on them, visible tatoos, piercings in the nose, etc. Kids need to learn early that there are just some things that are socially unacceptable when they become adults and enter into the adult employment world.

which they are failing at since no child left behind policy.

I don't sag, I never sagged, and I don't like sagging (it's impractical and limits your mobility). But I believe it's their right to sag if they want. Rules should be kept to a minimum, especially dress code rules. I'm 21 and when I get to be the boss, I'll abolish silly dress codes for anyone that doesn't need to deal with customers in person.

For those of you who insist that dressing poorly makes you unemployable, and that companies have dress codes: how does it affect anything beyond the interview, and why should companies dictate how employees should dress when they never need to talk to customers?

That is so correct. Kids have to learn that when they go to job interviews and are employed that their employers have definite dress codes and if they do not, or will not, abide by them they will be let go.

The "market" will correct that.

Everyone gets to dress stupidly for a couple of years in high school and/or college. Too many of you are forgetting how ridiculous you looked to your teachers and parents when you were the same age. This is all part of the socialization process.

SPARTAN-501-I'm 21 and when I get to be the boss, I'll abolish silly dress codes for anyone that doesn't need to deal with customers in person.----why should companies dictate how employees should dress when they never need to talk to customers?

If dress codes are silly, then why have them for employees that deal with customers? Unless your employee is telecommuting, they're going to interact with co-workers. And you have to make sure that what is worn does not make the other employees uncomfortable. If you have a dress code, then people know what is expected when they start. If they are not comfortable with the rules, they don't have to take the job. And you won't get sued later when you tell someone they can't come in wearing just a speedo.

What clothes you wear do not fit in the category of "skill's". Schools are expected to teach our kids skills, while the parents should be teaching behaviors and common sense. How you dress is something that falls on the parents to teach. We need to get away from this idea that the schools do the parent's job.

Spartan, you ask how dress codes effect anything? As an employer and oversee some of the recruiting I can tell you that these days, we are looking for behaviors not answers. Anyone can tell me that they were the best at their old job (knowing that the previous employer can't give details) and how competitive they are. Next, when I tell them how difficult it is to do what we do and that I am only looking for someone that is teachable, they respond saying "of course I am very coachable". When we talk about a dress code, it isn't about the dress as much as it is the behavior. If they are someone that gives BS over what you wear to work, then they are showing a behavior and thought process of "This is stupid and I don't want to "use the wheel" that is already in place. "I'd rather re invent the wheel and do things MY way". A good talent recruiter isn't going to hire someone that can't be a part of a team.

Not to mention, the way you dress DOES effect your team, even if customers don't see you. At 21 you may or may not think this is "old" but the entire saying of "Look professional, feel professional, be professional" is simply true.

The way that you are thinking is exactly what most of these posters are saying will happen. Our youth will get to the age of adult and not have any idea how to get a career job. If you read my post above, I don't necessarily agree with most of the posts here, but I definitely agree that you won't get a job walking in with pants at your knees. At least an acceptable job

Kayner

These kids are in SCHOOL. They aren't looking for jobs. School dress codes have no impact on employment.

Once out of a school with dress codes kids rebel. Then the trashiest clothes come out. Let them wear what they want, they'll grow out of it.

I had long hair, torn jeans, and the usual hippie style when I was in college. When I went looking for work I was clean cut and well dressed.

If you read what I say you will see that I don't agree with dress codes enforced by the school so I'm not sure what you are wanting to say.

Any adult should also know that during school is when the behaviors are developed. Doing homework isn't all about getting work done. It's also about teaching the behavior of being organized and competing tasks on time, which are skills needed to have a job outside of Burger King drive through.

If my boy tried walking out the door with his ass hanging out, I'd stop him just as quick as if he had a pocket protector. I also had long hair, torn jeans and on a board everywhere I went. But when I rolled up nice and neat looking to my first job interview and the guy interviewing me knew who I was because he had seen me around town "expressing myself", I never had a shot at that job. Anyone who thinks appearance isn't one of the most important pieces of your "brand" has no clue.

Since all most of your report is about hiring people.

Not to mention, the way you dress DOES effect your team, even if customers don't see you.

Dress in school is irrelevant.

If my boy tried walking out the door with his ass hanging out, I'd stop him just as quick as if he had a pocket protector.

Of my 2 sons the one with the biggest issue with sagging his pants is in the US Army. 7 years and moving up in rank and responsibilities much, much, faster than the norm. He has command over several good men with many more years experience.

I never made an issue about his clothes because I could remember so many of my fashion flops.

The original Skinny-jeans, we called them Pegged pants in the 60's.

Plaid Bell-bottoms.

And a very short experience with the Mod look of 1966.

What kids wear in school has no effect on how they do in the grownup world.

How parents respond does.

In my life's observations, the most rebellious kids were the ones with the most overbearing parents.

Well, the administrators there must have been fools. That doesn't mean that a dress code has to be sexist. Low rise jeans and tiny shirts at my school would have gotten the girls sent home.

Dress code was always wack. I think the dress code should be focused on keeping clothing safe (force the neglectful kid's parents to dress their kids in warm clothing in the winter etc.) and maybe reducing class distinction with uniforms but other then that it's a waste of time and energy. I went to a conservative suburban public school and they had all sorts of sexist rules. Boys had to have short hair, couldn't wear dresses etc. I always thought it was wrong. Anyway, all this nonsense about saggy pants is a waste of time. Who cares about they style the kids want to exhibit, as long as they aren't actually exposing their genitals and are behaving in class leave them alone.

Emily, So you want the government to force parents to dress their kids warmly, but not interfere when they allow the girls to go to school wearing distracting clothes?? I don't think I ever read an article about the class being disrupted by Janie's lack of a pair of snow boots. I think Janie should be sent home if she ever wears her blouse unbuttoned so her bra is hanging out. That is NO different than these punk kids wearing jeans half way down their butts. Nobody wants to see these losers' underwear. My daughter never dressed like that and didn't have anything to do with the kids who did. She thought they were absolutely ridiculous. (She's a Doctor of Pharmacy now.)

Yes Lizzie - I don't really care if people are dressed "distractingly" because for every possible way to dress, someone else finds it distracting/offensive/suggestive. It's much easier just to keep any restrictions focused on their actual well-being.

Also, as someone who was neglected, I appreciated that the neglect could only go so far- I am sensitive to the fact that clothing children can be a struggle for some families but I think it's a struggle they should be forced to make (or the government be forced to help them achieve depending on your politics) so their children don't freeze. There should be a minimum of care that a child must receive.

I don't know if dress codes ever work. In the 80s a local school sent a grade school kid home because his grandmother got him a mohawk. "It distracted the other kids"

You can't legislate behavior but you can point and laugh. Do that often enough and they'll change clothes.

perhaps they should and pull up their pants so people dont have to look at their _____!

No, but it is about self image. If you look like a fool, that's how people will treat you. Image demands respect, and you won't be given any if you have to do the limbo to get your wallet. A kid who dresses right, and feels good about it, will have a much higher capacity to learn, or even the desire to want to learn than a person wearing baggy 'who gives a sh/t' pants. Want proof? Walk onto a trading floor wearing baggy jeans and a T-shirt, then do the same wearing a suit and tie. The difference is immense!

no, but it makes the student look less intelligent. i wouldn't hire someone with their pants sagging because it shows disrespect for others who have to look at it. there is a time and a place for "fashion" and school is not the place.

Who is going to hire someone with their underwear showing? They even have to waddle like they crapped their pants to keep their pants from falling down. It has everything to do with education. Mom and/or Dad aren't doing the right thing by teaching their kids how to dress appropriately so unfortunately the school has to step in. School is supposed to prepare you for the adult world because parents no longer do that.

Exactly, I mean lets say a girl wants to wear a mini skirt to show off her thong...as long as she is learning it is fine.

"Where someone positions their pants has absolutely nothing to do with education." While on the surface, I'd agree with that, but it's a distraction at best, and disrespecting the people who don't really want to see somebody drawers, or pants hangin' so low, they have to walk like a duck. And be real for a second...most of the kids who dress that way ARE disrespectful to almost everybody, especially adults or other authority figures. If parents aren't gonna teach 'em any better at home, SOMEbody has to step in

Where someone positions their pants has absolutely nothing to do with education.

I disagree. I think it has everything to do with education. And what are they being taught? We know where these fashions come from. We know exactly what "culture" brought it about. What does it say about youth's aspirations when every young male dresses like a prison inmate and every young female dresses like a whore?

Explains a lot about this "culture" and its current problems, doesn't it?

Funny how every one of these saggy pants gangsta wannabes I've ever talked to was an idiot.

You know, I just had a revelation. The more scorn we cast toward fashion trends like this, the more the kids will want to do it. We need to be telling these kids how cool they look. If the old stuffy adults think it looks cool, it is radioactively NOT cool. Then they'll stop doing it.

Being against sagging doesn't mean you need some stupid rule to stop it. While they need to dress nicely for interviews, there's no reason why companies should enforce any sort of dress code either unless they have to deal with customers in person.

It is amazing how often, when the school tries to impose rules and discipline in the school, it is the parents storming the school to demand that their precious little darlings' "rights" are protected. Their right to do whatever they please, and their right to be unemployed bums when they are adults.

too busy listening to shythead wayne. now there's a life long role model. wow.

No do not send them home that is what they want you to do. When I was in high school if you got kicked out for 3 days you had to come to school and sit in the Dean's office the entire day for 3 days. Needless to say, no one wanted to get kicked out of school because the only place you got to go the entire day was lunch for 3 days. Otherwise you were posted outside of the principal's office so that they could see you when they were coming or going out of their office to make sure you stayed put. It was awful. I only got kicked out once and that was enough.

I say fine the parents for indecent exposure. This is a law that can be enforced.

Mary52

I agree. Then clothing will become less of a distraction and the students can concentrate more on learning.

But students will still sag. Buy pants that are a size too big, buy a belt so it doesn't fall off completely...

fine the parents each and everytime...

Handing out belts seems like a good idea until some punk raps another across the face with the buckle. Let the lawsuits begin!!!!!!!!

What really needs to be done is put all these bullies, ganstas (male and female) into one school in each district and keep them from the other children who aren't mentally challenged and make them stay amongst themselves. Since they cannot learn on the same level as others they always cause trouble and parents are in denial about their children to say the least...

i've been to the ballet, where i live, and there are people in shorts and flip-flops. what a disgrace.

remember when you used to see those old men going to the mall in a suit and hat?

romy- I have seen one small school do that with success, because there is also parental support for this. But unfortunately there are schools with little to no parental support; schools that can't even get a PTA together even though the school tries. Failing grades would have little impact on students who are dressing in defiance of school rules: there entire attitude is frequently defiance of school rules or rules, period. And besides, don't you know that if a student fails, it is the teacher's fault? (sarcasm). Students are not held responsible in many schools for earning passing grades, but teachers are.

My grandpa use to dress up to go to the bank (suit/hat) and deposit his quarters...

That would work if you have less than 500 kids at the school, but I guess you never been to a city school. Where there is over 5,000 kids that go to that school and enter the school from many different directions.

No, Joyce, you wouldn't. You might TRY, but I can assure you, having taught for 36 years in public schools, you would do that ONE time before you had an incredibly NASTY parent...MAYBE parentS, or some other family member, or even a friend who is along for "support" to said parent, or to be a "witness (!)"...demanding an apology from you, the administration, the school board, the school secretaries, the counselors, your dogs,the nurse, the coaches, yadda, yadda, yadda.....and you can't SLAP their filthy mouths shut for them! They "know their rights, by Gawd," and the "rights of their kids to get an education....(?)," "Oh, and by the way, I've called my lawyer!"

I dare some of you to spend some time in a public high school classroom. Not just 5 or 10 minutes. Go for an entire day. Just hanging out in the hallways would scare the living daylights out of most of the posters on here. THEN you can call the principal a "wussy," or demand that "teachers teach, dammit," or "MAKE those kids dress properly!" I dare you..

Make the kid who don't dress properly go the assembly hall call mom and dad from work to pick them up and take them home that will take care of the matter, if mom and or dad have to miss a pay check the kids will dress properly.

Where is it written that I have to pay school taxes to put up with this nonsense. If you can't dress properly and obey the school rules then go hang out on a street corner which is where you are prpbably going to end up anyway.

There probably is no Dad in the home and Mom is entertaining a new boyfriend as the kids leave for school.

And by "available" you mean, available for con-on-con sex action.

According to some fools in this thread, that would be perfectly fine as long as they are learning.

Look at it on the bright side, Mike757. The rest of the students would get an A+ on their human anatomy quiz. An open book, er, open pants test.

I agree with you by the way.