Agreed - they just need a sign saying everyone needs to shower before entering the pool.

There were not many people of color at any of the pools I've ever been to - but it seems this problem would be more wide-spread if what the owner says is true. (And how many gallons is the average apartment pool -- I imagine a small pool pushes 20,000 gallons).

i agree with you instead of the property being stripped and gifted to NAACP they family should live there rent free and all bills paid water, elec, gas, etc... as long as they live there

Even with a sign that said "Must shower first", someone would find that offensive and call it racist too. When it comes to free and public services, such as a community pool, people will junk them out because it's not theirs. "Let someone else deal with it and clean it up".

I wouldve put a more specific sign up saying "If you have activator, hair grease, hair gel, etc. in your hair, please wash your hair first before entering pool. It clouds up the water and is unsanitary and disrespectful to other swimmers. Failure to comply will result in eviction"

Democrat, that works too.

Cygnus, I have seen many public pools that have a "must shower before entering pool" sign. Not once have I heard a claim of racism associated with such a sign. Probably because it is racially irrelevant. Anyone can bring sunscreen, hair gell, etc into a pool.

Cygnus: Get a CLUE...this isn't really about hair products.

Eng: Nothing will be gifted to the NAACP. That last line in your statement is only going to bring out the trolls that will key in on that phase and run with it. I have lived in Ohio for over 20+ years now and I hate going anywhere south of Akron. NE Ohio is bad enough, but southern Ohio seems to be caught in a time wrap. They do not know if they want to be a Mid-Western State of a deeply southern state. I am curious to see how this will play out and if our esteem legislators will get involved.

BTW: If the child had so much chemicals in her hair that would make the pool cloudy, I think she would be dead, before she could even leave the apartment.

Riiiiiight, no white girls have chemicals in their hair. Someone should tell my wife puts more junk in her hair than 100 dudes, but that isn't a negative, soft luxurious hair that smells girly is awesome.

What's really sad is the racist aholes can never find the strength to hold up to their ideals, they always pull the chicken S excuse because they know what they are doing is wrong, if they thought it was right, they would be loud and proud, not cowered in the corner with the lamest of lame excuses.

Racists, get some balls and hold your conviction to the light, quit hiding behind some non-sense like a scared little child.

God forbid hair care products taint all the free floating pee that's in public pools...

Nothing will be "gifted" to the NAACP - or anyone else. It would be GIVEN to them. Not "gifted" to them. ("Gifted" is an adjective. Not a verb.)

Yeah thats it...take her property and give it to someone who has no right to it...they were renters, the girl did not live there and while the sign was in poor taste she does have a right to say who does and does not get in HER pool...

This can't be right, FOX News says racism hasn't existed in America for the past 30 years.

Jim Crow is obviously still alive and well.

Perhaps the follow-on step to "protect the operational integrity of the pool", overweight people banned from the pool because their bady fat could potentially leech out and clog the filters?

And Rick-546746, are you saying that "guests" of the renter can't use the pool/facilities? What's next, guests not even allowed on the property? And after that, everyone asked.... "Do you have papers..."?

I know right! And non blacks don't use chemicals in their hair either.

Oh, and rick, actually what she did is against the law. Period.

In this instance she gave up the exclusive right to dictate who goes in her pool when she entered into a commercial activity and rented out the units.

Rick-546746

Yeah thats it...take her property and give it to someone who has no right to it...they were renters, the girl did not live there and while the sign was in poor taste she does have a right to say who does and does not get in HER pool...

Not if the reasoning behind it has to do with race. Which according to the sign - it did. I would sue that landlord for 1st - racial discrimination. And 2nd - for being an idiot.

What a silly racist woman -- mmm, hair products, yeah that's it. But please people, don't start talking about taking her property away or that this family should live rent free, etc. That is equally silly! She should be made to take the sign down, and be warned against posting signs of this type in future or face a fine. In a perfect world (where this type of crap wouldn't happen in the first place) she should also be made to write a 10,000 word essay on the history of Civil Rights in America, to be published in installments in the local newspaper with her byline.

Hi Renee, while my earlier comment was partially in jest, and obviously there is no legal rational to seize her property, sometimes I think that a larger penalty is warranted.

Blatant racism like this happens pretty often. And hidden or thinly veiled racism is rampant. If the penalties for such activity were increased from a slap on the rist to say, forfeiture of investment property, maybe these incidences, both blatant and subtle, would be curtailed.

A "White Only" sign is blatantly racist. I'm shocked that things like this still go on. Where I'm from we treat individuals with respect no matter what color they are. Maybe New York is a little ahead of the curve on race relations.

Timetraveler, I thought my hyperbole in the beginning would indicate my disgust toward this woman, and also be taken partially in jest. Obviously this has been lost on some people.

Secondly, as a white male, I have always had an issue with affirmative action. Then I researched the issue further, looked into the legal requirements for these programs, and can honestly say that they sometimes make sense. Despite them being against my best interest. I feel this way due to equity.

If affirmative action is being properly implemented, I know a black person won't get a job over me if I'm a more qualified. However, if we are equally qualified, and there is no material difference between our qualifications, then race can be a factor. I feel this is a good thing for our society, and as such support it for policy reasons.

Baddog40

'This can't be right, FOX News says racism hasn't existed in America for the past 30 years.'

Don't forget to work in NeoCons, Christians, GWB, Conservatives, and all of the rest of the shibboleths of the Left Wing yo-yos before you leave....Uh, you are leaving, aren't you?

What this landlord did was racist, morally wrong and illegal.

However, I don't believe the landlord was referring to hair products themselves which men and women of various ethnicities all use. They were referring to the chemical relaxers that are often used by African American women to achieve straighter, less curly, less kinky hair.

That being said, there are plenty of white women who use chemical straighteners now as well. It is actually a known health issue because the chemicals are applied to the hair, heated up, and formaldehyde is released.

The sign should have stated "please shower before entering pool" and something to the effect of avoiding putting your hair in the water if you have had chemical straighteng salon treatments on your hair. Alhtough, I don't know why you would want to put your chemically treated hair in chlorinated water to begin with.

Cincinnati, really? And to think, I was under the impression Jackson, MS had the title for most racist city in America.

Honestly, I think any and all reference to race on applications should be done away with. If we're all equal, then WHY DOES IT MATTER?

As to the pool lady, good grief, what decade are you living in? Put up a sign that encourages people to wash out hair chemicals before getting into the pool and leave it at that. If they have dreadlocks that make it difficult to do that, then give them the option of wearing a swimming cap. This isn't difficult, it's common sense!

Racism is alive and well from all sides of the fence.

The landlord is stupid. Most people, black, white, yellow, red, put products in their hair. An operational, chlorinated pool is not going to suffer from residue in hair products. And who wants to subject their hair to chlorine anyway--that's why people wear swimming caps!

Whenever you go to a YMCA, the signs ask that you shower before entering the pool. Still, showering isn't going to safeguard against some things one might truly worry about like open wounds & other secretions. But that's why you must have a pool that passes code so that it filters those things.

This is simply a subterfuge for ignorant, blatant, hateful racism.

Nothing will be "gifted" to the NAACP - or anyone else.

Sure it can. If it's 'gifted' there may be some break on the taxes.

Just let all the tenants know their landlord is racist, I doubt they will want to continue living there...

Then let every new potential tenant know about the incident, the problem will correct itself once she has no more renters in a couple of years, bankruptcy when she can't pay her property taxes.

The free market is capable of handling this sort of case, if you rely on the courts to fix it, she'll pay a fine, then go on renting property, no actual permanent solution.

I have lived in many states and many cities in this country, but I reside in the city limits of Cincinnati presently for job reasons. This is the most racist city I have ever lived in. I am mixed - I call myself Hispanic because it's easier than naming the 3+ races in my blood. I live in an African American neighborhood, people are nice and respectful - that can not be said of most white people who have fled the city limits, and now are trying their hardest to keep all other races out of "their" suburbs. The news coverage here promotes stereotypes daily - yet a closer look at arrest records finds plenty of dangerous Caucasians. When a black person is murdered or assaulted (through NO FAULT of their own) it never makes the news, no matter how tragic, yet the opposite is true for Caucasians. The city is divided but not because African Americans want it that way, the whites do - . I have seen a white shopper refuse to hand her money to an African American cashier (who had her hand extended) - the white shopper threw the money, including coins, at the cashier. The cashier had been nothing but pleasant to this woman (& continued to be while finding coins). I like my neighborhood, yet I have been told I live in a "ghetto," (for the simple reason that it is a Black community), the Kroger grocery stores (our only choice) give the Black neighborhoods old meat, unclean stores, poor organic or natural foods section (if we even get one) yet in the suburban Kroger stores - they literally have chandeliers, the best meat, produce that is fresh, etc...

I hope this landlord gets in a lot of trouble...oil sheen is no different then a suntan lotion to the pool, this is the kind of race discrimination that anyone who is not lily white endures everyday in this city.

Wow......

Timetraveler100: I used to live in a neighborhood like yours. When the crime and other stuff that was going on got to be too much, I found a very simple solution. It's called moving. Maybe you should try it.

The sign said "Whites Only".

The chemical products was obviously a coverup to justify the sign. Face it, renters complained about sharing the pool with african americans. The sign says it all.

EngEsq, while I definitely don't agree with stripping someone's property to make due on a poor racist action that didn't hurt anything but feelings, you are right on with your comment on affirmative action. Many people don't fully understand affirmative action and right away start screaming about how white people are the ones being discriminated against. It is exactly the same thing as when I was an "owner" of a privately held company in the midwest, but put it in my wife's name as the official president/owner. By the company being owned by a woman, I was able to pick up business from the government. If a bid came in from a normal organization and then the other bid was ours (woman owned), we automatically had to be picked as long as it was apples to apples and same pricing. Affirmative Action can work FOR a white person (like in this case) as well, so it isn't just geared at choosing blacks over whites. Of course, sometimes it doesn't as well but I agree with you that it is a good thing for our society to prevent the "good ol boy" network from trumping every time.

I guess I think too highly of the human race at times...I can't believe that this blatant racist BS still goes on...

However I still believe people are inherently good.

norm, just read above posts. Someone said if you move to or live in a suburb you are a racist.

Just to add my 2 cents worth. I'm a black female and I've gone swimming with lots of different "chemicals" in my hair. Non of them have ever turned the water cloudy. As a matter of fact: anything strong enough to "make the water cloudy" would burn out the girls hair long before she got in the pool.

Actually, the "reverse racism" discussion is complete BS. No university or employer is required by law to hire / admit based on race to satisfy some quota. What IS required, is that applications and hires / admissions be tracked. This requires that decisions be made based on merit, and NOT based on race, or that tracking will show the discrepancy. You have to demonstrate equal opportunity, not equal number of hires / admissions. It amazes me that people still do not understand this.

Wayne, there is no "law", but companies and colleges that meet the established quotas receive tax breaks.

Discrimination by a business is illegal.

But you have no obligation to allow people in the pool.

The landlord just needs to close the pool to the renters, and then just allow her friends to use it.

If the friends happen to be white - well, the law doesn't dictate who your friends are.

This will probably come with a cost to her, as the pool is an amenity that raises the value of the apartments, so she may have to lower rent.

As long as she allows access to the pool as a condition of rent (a business activity) she cannot discriminate.

Simply make it private access that is not conditional on renting a unit, and she can choose who goes there - as long as she doesn't charge money to access it.

Problem solved.

Sarah, I actually like your post, I just wish you would not have gotten so aggressive as there is no doubt it will be collapsed.

The property owner is certainly willing to take the parents money, but does not want to permit them or their family to enjoy the full benefits derived thereof. This has got to make every civil attorney within five hundred miles drool. The landlord will probably be better off financially if she justs signs the property over to the girl and moves in with Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, since he advocates the views she expressed with the sign (look up his views on the 1964 Civil Rights Act).

I would not be surprised if she is a member of a tea party group in Cincy.

Hey Rick, lets look at this from a logical point of view. The parents pay their rent/dues just like everybody else that lives there, thus they and their guest have every right to use the pool, just like any other tenant.

You can dance around it all you want and venture off into hair products and chemicals but anyone with an iota of sense knows the sign went alot deeper than the hair products. I guess that my friends on the Right will say that they are playing the race card because they found a "White's Only" sign to be offensive. This Country, due to the Hate and racism spewed by the Right & Tea Bagger Party since President Obama was elected, clearly shows that we are reverting back to the 1950's and the times of Poll taxes, Lynchings and Racial strife... I had thought we as a people had moved away from that..

<3 you Sarah.

As for timetraveler... are you saying that my gf - who is black but doesn't graffiti cars, or break into homes, or hang out late at night on the streets is deserving of your racism?

Sure sounds like it. Racism is completely irrational and downright stupid.... people who do bad things deserve your ire for the bad things they have done, sure, but NOT the color of their skin.

Generations of systemic bigotry and poverty, like yours, are the root cause of the issues you face in your neighborhood. Blame yourself fool.

How can you read between the lines when there isn't even a single line. Two words. That's all it was. Those two words says all it needs to say. Of course the poster suggesting the conviscating of property was humor on his part. Even a 5th grader knows that is illegal. However, discrimination is illegal and subject to fines or imprisonment according to the law.

Justifying racism is as bad as racism; racism is unjustifiable. Just how ignorant do you expect someone to be that posts a sign that reads in full: "Whites Only"

Even spelling that out requires some education. You can't tell me that even the act of hanging the sign up, they didn't think for one second, "Hmmm, there might be a problem with this..."

Army,

I know, sometimes I get a little tempermental, lol. It must be the Sicilian in me. But, thanks!

Shuk,

Thanks to you too!

And my apologies to all good, reasonable, self aware white men, everywhere.

@ machinehead, Serioulsy - 10-15 points???? I lose and gain more than that sneezing....You sure you're argument isn't just your way of compensating for your shortcomings? If grubbing for a measly 10-15 points on an imaginary IQ score makes your tiny "4 incher" seem a little bigger to you - more power to you. And I do agree with you - not all men are created quite equal - eh, short stuff? Sorry for your shame.

@TimeTravelor100, You were born in the wrong century. I guess a 300 year head start in America wasn't big enough for you. Sorry chap, but your attitude is not sexy or attractive. You are the epitome of a sissy, whiny, girly man. (No offence to other girly men...) Try reading a book and you may find that white males aren't as persecuted as the Arian Nation and KKK would lead you to believe. God help you if y ou were born a woman or a minority. Probably wouldn't have had enough gumption to come out of the womb. Stop playing the blame game. Be a man. If you don't know, how AXE somebody :)

@Sarah-3043284 - Nicely done. Now that is some righteous indignation! Time Traveler, are you listening?!????!

Sarah,

Sorry we are all in a mood today. However get off your high horse. It's time to admit people need to be judged solely on their own merit and ability. Not by affirmative action.

Secondly, yes all people commit crimes regardless of color, so don't try and act like black people are innocent of all crimes and social injustices.

You want to bring up history and injustice, how about the Jews and Indians. Wait Jews are white so I guess they don't count.

Bottom line is until people stop acting like people deserve something based only on their race racism will never end.

The only thing your post accomplished is the idea that all people should demand unequal treatment based on their skin color.

However, I don't believe the landlord was referring to hair products themselves which men and women of various ethnicities all use. They were referring to the chemical relaxers that are often used by African American women to achieve straighter, less curly, less kinky hair.

That being said, there are plenty of white women who use chemical straighteners now as well. It is actually a known health issue because the chemicals are applied to the hair, heated up, and formaldehyde is released.

The chemicals to relax and the chemicals to perm are the same. So white or other woman with perms should also be banned. (And I know African American with perms as well. I was told it enables her to control the curl. IDK, I was just jealous of her beautiful hair.)

Additionally, to those with the "grown white man vs little black girl" comments, she was NOT a "little black girl". She was VISITING her parents. That means she was either 1) removed from the custody of her parents for some reason (which there is nothing to indicate this was the case) or 2) A legal adult living somewhere else (which is more likely if she was visiting). This is enough of an outrage without stoking the issue to make it a big bad white person against an little 7 year old girl with tears coming out of her eyes being denied access to the pool. The parents had to file the complaint because they were the tennants.

I think those people that can discriminate like that are absolute bigots and people should boycott that establishment but the land owner would have the right to restrict their property. I think the government should have no say into who the land owner can and can't allow to use the property because it is a private business.

First, she posts "public pool", not "private pool."

Secondly, just because she is the landlord, doesn't mean she owns the property. She could be managing it for someone else or a corporation.

Additionally, remember, all , stores, etc are also private property, ultimately. You can't refuse service based on race/gender/religion etc.

please stop talking about how racist the deep south is. This happened in ohio... While we in the south still have pockets of racists I have never seen a "whites only" sign in my life (25yo). Even the most racist people I have met around here will still be polite and courteous to blacks unless given a good reason not to be (but then i guess thats just getting pissed off, not racism)

@Machinehead yes 2+2=4 but that part is easy. That's the part that is taught in inner city schools over and over and over and over again until the children stop listening and any new information is not heard. But the really sad part is this, there is rarely any new information taught. If you are tested on x-y=yn solve for n and you only know 2+2=4 then the test is for those children who were taught algebra and calculus, not for those children who were taught basic math. In other words the test IS for white children.

Wayne, I hate the term "reverse racism." Whoever started it was an idiot. There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism is racism. If white people think they're better than others, that's racism, when black people think they are better, that is also racism.

IF that's the case, then maybe white patrons shouldn't use the pool either because all that sunscreen they use could cloudy the water...

@Timetraveler100, I'm black and I too am paying higher taxes with less freedom, so don't sit there and pretend that White Americans are the only ones suffering. All of us are paying higher taxes and have our rights infringed upon.

timetravler100 Well, if you stopped being racist... that might alleviate some of the problem...

You don't have to be black, brown, white, purple.. etc to tag a building. The solution is moving to a neighborhood with less crime, not less diversity...

I'm surprised the biggest racist of modern times, Al Sharpton, hasn't taken over a news channel over this yet.

. . . an iron sign that stated "Public Swimming Pool, White Only,"

Unless this hillbilly land-lady happens to be a metal worker, the above would seem to indicate that she actually bought the sign. Which begs the question, who in the hell sells "White Only" signage in this day and age? Or, perhaps she had it custom-made . . . man, talk about a dedicated bigot.

Echols, Your argument does not show a racist test, it shows an economic class/social structure test. Many non-white children succeed on these tests. The inner city schools, composed mostly of black and Hispanic students, do not score well in these areas. That has to do with lack of qualified teachers, lack of money to entice teachers and support programs at these schools, and weak home learning environments (not saying bad parents, but many have to work extra hard to support their families financially, they do not have the time to educate their children when the schools fail). Asian students on average do the best on these tests, Asian are not naturally smarter than whites, blacks, Hispanics, or anyone else. Asians don't even necessarily live in the best school districts, but it often comes back to a work ethic and value of education driven by the parents. The tests are passable by all, but some have a much easier road due to a multitude of factors.

Secondly, just because she is the landlord, doesn't mean she owns the property. She could be managing it for someone else or a corporation.

Then any problems with allowing certain groups to use the pool would be the problem of those groups.

Additionally, remember, all , stores, etc are also private property, ultimately. You can't refuse service based on race/gender/religion etc.

The government should have no say in how anyone uses their property and shouldn't force anyone to cater to any particular person or group of people. To believe that the government can force others to comply with these laws is an extremely anti-freedom position.

The two good things about this is that there are laws making discrimination (clearly) illegal, and the landlord is admitting she did it. This should make prosecution and compensation straightforward. I am white, and I am offended at the actions of this landlord!

Actually Miker, it can be used as a verb.

Problem is the guy provided you with a link to the definition of "gifted" and not "gift"... gifted means talented, the "ed" on it is not the same as using gift as a verb in the past-tense.

Gift, when used with a noun as a verb has been around at least since the 17th Century if not earlier. It's a strange use of the word, no doubt, but not incorrect.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gift (see 5. and 6.)

First off, the guy is an idiot and obviously racist.

But take a look at the result. While it is accurate, it reflects the broader issue/perception that discrimination is only aimed at african-americans. The sign restricted access to "whites." The dialogue on discrimination has been monopolized and dissolved to mean only AA. This very point supports the other posts here indicating the goal is special treatment and not equal treatment.

The commission's statement said that its investigation concluded that the posting of such a sign "restricts the social interaction between Caucasians and African-Americans and reinforces discriminatory actions aimed at oppressing people of color."

Sarah: your rant reflects that you are not reasonable or selfaware, as you encourage others to be. Timetraveler was expressing his experience and challenges and you simply trashed his experience and what was real for him. You point to historical wrongs as evidence that what he has to live with must not be real. He indicates that attitudes are earned. You did not make any effort to understand his position, only to rant that his is wrong. This unwillingness to see both sides is what keeps it going.

Prohibition doesn't work

Just let all the tenants know their landlord is racist, I doubt they will want to continue living there...

Then let every new potential tenant know about the incident, the problem will correct itself once she has no more renters in a couple of years, bankruptcy when she can't pay her property taxes.

The free market is capable of handling this sort of case, if you rely on the courts to fix it, she'll pay a fine, then go on renting property, no actual permanent solution.

The free market will NOT solve this problem. That has NEVER worked for the simple reason that most people are too selfish to stand up for what is right when doing so would work against their own interests. Whether you like it or not, laws are sometimes the only workable solution to things like this.

We live in a world where a whole crowd of department store shoppers will walk right past and even STEP OVER a dying man because helping him would take time away from their Christmas shopping.

And you think people are going to avoid patronizing a business because the owner is racist? Come on, I know from your other posts that you're a smart person. You are NOT that dumb.

Here is a quote from an article this past summer in a mostly black community in MA, where a dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded pool for 2 days and no one noticed. Divers could not see objects 4 feet away. If the inspectors had closed the pool their would have been race riots.

"Two Fall River health inspectors, who were placed on paid administrative leave last week after a 36-year-old drowned woman went undetected in the murky waters of a state-run public pool for more than two days, face disciplinary hearings next week."

"Flanagan also said the pool's permit had expired on Dec. 31" and the lifeguards on duty where not blamed because they where dealing with "youths" behaving badly as seen on CCTV "Investigators stopped short of blaming the lifeguard near the slide, saying her attention may have been diverted by a group of other swimmers".

As far as IQ goes read the books "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", and "The Global Bell Curve" both use g weighted tests that remove cultural items but test the higher functions of logic spacial recognition, and math. Dr Watson who won the Nobel prize for discovering DNA stated that IQ was mostly hereditary. According to the books sub sahara africa has an avg IQ of 70(adults with mental age of an 11yo) and african americans have an avg of 85. Interesting to note is that hati is african while the other nation it shares an island with (Dominican rep)is african america and defends its borders better than we do.

Some of you really make my head hurt. Unfortunately there will always be some sort or some level of racisim. That we cannot get away from and yes some places have a quota (although they may not admit it) but it is also for women as well. There are some that should really take a step back from their self entitled world and realize that no one takes them seriously when they ramble incessantly about something as if they have been scorned so deep that they deserve montary value. THis comment was mostly for some of these commenter here in this thread.

Now, as for the story: my head started to hurt reading how poorly this was written. Are you kidding me? I am not an author (yet) but I do enjoy reading a good story and when a sentence has to be re-read 3 to 4 times because something did not jive, then there is a problem. Especially when that problem is incorrect structure.

Now to the story: It is obvious that this person was racist. Unless they (and still no excuse) were raised in a bomb shelter the past 50 years, there is no reason, ever, to post something like that. It would the same thing to put up two water fountains in the park and put the word "colored" on a sign and hung it on one. No one would go for that. That was supposedly taken care of many, many years ago. This landlord should absolutely get their property stripped from them but the people that were offended.... they did the proper thing...MOVE OUT so they wont have to be around that idiot any longer. No they dont deserve monetary compensation, GET OVER IT. No, they dont deserve anything except their deposit and any damages to the apartment waived.

If they moved that quickly then that says that they were already on their way out and used this as a headline way to get out of there. Small minded dolts that post racist signs should absolutely be punished for it, so punish them and let everyone know what they did and see how much business they get after that. Eventually it will put them out of business for good and they will have to move away themselves.

Its called......making the right decisions!

StevefromOhio

The property owner is certainly willing to take the parents money, but does not want to permit them or their family to enjoy the full benefits derived thereof. This has got to make every civil attorney within five hundred miles drool. The landlord will probably be better off financially if she justs signs the property over to the girl and moves in with Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, since he advocates the views she expressed with the sign (look up his views on the 1964 Civil Rights Act).

I would not be surprised if she is a member of a tea party group in Cincy.

Wow, you really have NO IDEA what you are talking about, Maybe you should actually read why he says what he says, rather than just go from whatever mindless propaganda site you got your information from.

The reason Rand Paul disagrees with the Civil Rights Act is because it was a racist action, it created the "affirmative action" which is inherently racist in nature, it judges whether someone should have a job based on the color of their skin, rather than their ability for the job at hand.

http://amnation.com/vfr/archives/003436.html

Through half a lifetime of observing American conservatives--and neoconservatives--passionate and principled resistance to affirmative action (a resistance that notably waned after the 2003 Grutter decision), I many times heard them quote Hubert Humphrey's famous pledge that if the 1964 Civil Rights Act required racial quotas, he would "eat the paper it's written on." Recently I looked up the text of Humphrey's remark, which he made on the floor of the U.S. Senate on April 9, 1964:

If the Senator can find in Title VII ... any language which provides that an employer will have to hire on the basis of percentage or quota related to color, race, religion, or national origin, I will start eating the pages one after another, because it is not in there. I was struck by these words because, being familiar only with paraphrases of Humphrey's quote, I had always assumed that he had said something like: "If this bill brings about quotas, I will eat it." But now I realized that he had said: "If this bill contains language mandating quotas, I will eat it."
This changed the entire significance of the remark. Of course the bill did not contain language mandating racial quotas. In fact, it contained the very opposite: an amendment declaring that the bill could not be interpreted as requiring racial quotas. So Humphrey's assurance, upon which conservatives in later decades have placed such weight, was meaningless. The question was not whether the bill required quotas. The question was whether, regardless of any anti-quota provisions the bill might contain, it would lead to quotas. And, of course, it did--and far faster than its critics had anticipated. Immediately after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the federal enforcement agency created by the Act, declared that the failure of an employer to have the same percentage of blacks in his workforce as existed in the general population was prima facie proof of racial discrimination under the Act. As a result of this regulatory fiat, the only way an employer could prove he wasn't racially discriminating was to engage in racially proportional hiring. The era of racial preferences had begun. Yet Senator--and soon to be Vice President--Humphrey never ate the paper the 1964 Act was written on, nor was he obliged to, because his claim had been correct, if in a strictly narrow sense: the bill did not contain explicit language that mandated quotas. What the bill did was to create a federal agency that had the power to carry forward the bill's real, though unstated, purpose.

And as I said above:

Just let all the tenants know their landlord is racist, I doubt they will want to continue living there...

Then let every new potential tenant know about the incident, the problem will correct itself once she has no more renters in a couple of years, bankruptcy when she can't pay her property taxes.

The free market is capable of handling this sort of case, if you rely on the courts to fix it, she'll pay a fine, then go on renting property, no actual permanent solution.

He indicates that attitudes are earned.

You make the same mistake timetraveler does, apparently.

Attitudes are indeed earned, I agree. Yet racism is not a rational attitude. A rational attitude would be earning someone's ire due to the actions and the causes of such actions.

Dark skin is obviously not a root cause for criminality, there is a statistical correlary, but, as the cliche goes, by no means does correlation equate to causation.

As timetraveler put it: "racism is earned" - yet racism is not a rational or logical response, so it cannot be deserved or earned. It's misdirecting the ire toward a non-factor, and is inherently wrong. Instead, one should seek out the true causes for such things, and direct their "earned hatred" toward that.

Timetraveler said...."The question is, where does it stop? How far do we have to move before it catches up with us again? We move out, then they move in. We move out further, then they move right next to us."...

"It"? Really?

Good news for ya, well, maybe not. The demographers say that in 50 years, about 2 generations, the majority of Americans will be "some shade of brown". I'll be dead. The point is, you'd best get over "it".

That goes for Cincy too, and to the north a bit, from "Springtucky" (Springfield) to Mason. Cincinnati just had a big investigation over the number of black persons killed by police in the last couple of years. What a sorry state of affairs. I couldn't wait to get out of Ohio, frankly, which is sad, as there are good things there also - just not enough jobs.

timetravler100

EngEsq-Oh, and this landlord should have the property stripped from her and gifted to the NNACP. What a piece of trash.

So does this mean that every time a college or university refuses admission of a white person in order to give that slot to a "person of color" with lower scores that the white person should be given that university????????

OH..wait, that's right, racism only exists when white people do something. When it's done TO them, it's just diversity in action.

Time trvler,

prove it is prejudice and yes you can call it. Most likely, they have given it to someone equally qualified not of the majority.

Franz,

There is no other side to see here. Timetravelor's post was blantantly racist. Defend him if you want, but you're defending the indefensible. I never said his stuff wasn't getting tagged. I made a point that maybe he should consider how much more difficult facing systemic racism is in comparison to facing some graffitti. His post wasn't about what's happening to his property, his post was about black people in general being criminals, and how hard the system is on white men. Do you agree with that? Because if you do, than you too can apply my rant to yourself.

I would take my HONESTY, however unreasonably posted, over your thinly veiled racism. You can dress a pig up in a silk dress and call it Princess, it's still a pig. You and your ilk, are afraid of people like me. We don't fall for your load of crap, however logical or reasonable you may make it look. I see through it, and so do the majority of people on this vine. And we don't back down, even you attempt to patronize us.

Irrelevant to the opinion that property should be confiscated or services should be given at no charge for this incident, it is in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the person who put up that sign should be prosecuted in accordance with the law. This crap is illegal now.

Good article. Racism is ignorant and vicious. I just wonder what happened when a group of blacks beat the crap out of me in high school because I was white. There was no NAAWP to run to my aid. Nor where there any media around to get my story or cover the worry on the face of my dear mother when she had to send me back to school after my 2 day unofficial suspension (it seems they were worried about reprisals so they kicked ME out of school. Not a single black person was suspended or faced any consequences). And for the racists who will claim I "asked for it", I never said a word. Somebody else did after they kicked her car, but I was just an innocent bystander.

Here is a quote from an article this past summer in a mostly black community in MA, where a dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded pool for 2 days and no one noticed. Divers could not see objects 4 feet away. If the inspectors had closed the pool their would have been race riots.

"Two Fall River health inspectors, who were placed on paid administrative leave last week after a 36-year-old drowned woman went undetected in the murky waters of a state-run public pool for more than two days, face disciplinary hearings next week."

"Flanagan also said the pool's permit had expired on Dec. 31" and the lifeguards on duty where not blamed because they where dealing with "youths" behaving badly as seen on CCTV "Investigators stopped short of blaming the lifeguard near the slide, saying her attention may have been diverted by a group of other swimmers".

As far as IQ goes read the books "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", and "The Global Bell Curve" both use g weighted tests that remove cultural items but test the higher functions of logic spacial recognition, and math. Dr Watson who won the Nobel prize for discovering DNA stated that IQ was mostly hereditary. According to the books sub sahara africa has an avg IQ of 70(adults with mental age of an 11yo) and african americans have an avg of 85. Interesting to note is that hati is african while the other nation it shares an island with (Dominican rep)is african america and defends its borders better than we do.

Sarah, my daughter would really like a princess pig. :)

Sarah,

Can you honestly not see that a white person in a black neighborhood being terrorized is not racism? That was the point of the post.

You were quick to point out what has happened to blacks, yet discredit what happened to a white person.

This is perfect evidence that racism will never end, most people can't even understand how and where it happens.

Junicon

The free market will NOT solve this problem. That has NEVER worked for the simple reason that most people are too selfish to stand up for what is right when doing so would work against their own interests. Whether you like it or not, laws are sometimes the only workable solution to things like this.

We live in a world where a whole crowd of department store shoppers will walk right past and even STEP OVER a dying man because helping him would take time away from their Christmas shopping.

And you think people are going to avoid patronizing a business because the owner is racist? Come on, I know from your other posts that you're a smart person. You are NOT that dumb.

So do you think people are too stupid to act for themselves? Sorry, but I don't need the government to tell me that heroin will kill you, therfore you shouldn't use it, I don't need the government to tell McDonalds they have to put a warning on a coffee cup that its hot so if I spill it on myself I'll get burned. These sort of regulations are for idiots, or for dictatorships.

Giving preferential treatment to someone because of their skin color is wrong. Giving whites preferential treatment at a pool because of their skin color is wrong, and discrimination. The same applies to affirmative action. Telling a kid who has nothing that they can't get into college because of their skin color, but the other person who has the preferential skin color and is in better financial shape but with worse grades than the kid with the wrong color skin is pure racism and happens everyday. I hope people start waking up to all of the racism that is occuring in this country. Justice should be blind and shouldn't recognize skin color, we are all equal.

I'm sorry that black people beat you up Loominator, and I'm sorry you were ignorant of the proper channels to go through in order to get justice for the crime perpetrated against you.

And my apologies to all good, reasonable, self aware white men, everywhere.

No worries Sarah. Ummm. you were describing me, right? J/k

timetraveler100,

Your comments are misdirected as Black Americans have been in this country for as long or longer than many White Americans because they were brought here as slaves starting in 1619. Black Americans helped build the White House and other national monuments before many immigrants from other countries even set foot on American soil. The United States was formed from the labor of Black slaves, America is America because of Black Americans, have you forgotten?

Sounds like the problem in your neighborhood is due to illegal immigrants taking over in mass numbers. Although the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 was intended to create racial diversity from non-European nations it has backfired and created a storm of mass illegal immigration. As long as this mass illegal immigration continues, you will have graffitti, crime and other woes in your city.

Truth is American citizens of all races are frustrated over their cities turning into ghettos but you made it a white versus black issue.

Sarah-3043284,

Multiple awesome posts and your outrage is more than justified. While harshly put sometimes nothing gets it done like a "colorful expletive" :)

My New Hero :)

For all of those who are claiming that putting up the white only sign is against the law; you are only partially right. Since the pool was declared a public place, the sign enters into a grey area. However, if you own, for example, a restaurant, you may legally post a sign, " whites only". You have now take the establishment out of the public realm, and you do have the right to determine who you choose to serve.

Same if a Mexican restaurant put up a sign " Mexicans only".

Thanks, Howard! Sometimes you gotta be crazier than the crazy folks, you know?

Bobby,

No, I was quick to point out that in comparison, the white dude's had a cake walk in this country. Would you swap graffitti for a lynching??? Because I sure wouldn't. And speaking of graffitti, that wasn't Travelor's point. His issue was with black people, not graffitti per se. He just used graffitti as a justification for his racism. If it was all about graffitti, and he's terrorized by it, than I suggest he grow some cojones. If you aren't indignant about his post, and what happened to this young girl, than I suggest you take a real long, hard, look in the mirror. You may be okay being complicit in the face of racism, I however, am not.

Sarah,

So there is no other side to see?? Timetraveler is pointing out his experiences and the common thread and for that he is a racist. I point out that you should be open and consider where he is coming from and I am called a racist.

My wife has been sexually assaulted multiple times and there is a common thread. I suppose if I say it, then I am a racist. Isn't she entitled to safety and security, regardless of the color of her skin and hair?

For most people, historically experienced patterns suggest indications of possible (does not guarantee) future outcomes. Once burned, twice smart. But if it is applied here, then I'm the racist.

You don't want open dialogue or to consider what anyone else's experience is, you just want to call names and lay blame. Because of that, this will go on forever.

Oldman,

You're wrong. The Title II Civil Rights Act of 1964, expressly prohibited discrimination by service providors, business owners, landlords, yada, yada, yada, based on class. Class being gender, race, religion, national origin... The exception is to private clubs or private institutions where membership is required. Seeing as this apartment building isn't a "members only" club, nor does simply hanging a sign make it one, this is illegal. ALL the way illegal.

Franz,

This is as black and white, figuratively speaking of course, as it gets. Yes, you would be a rapist, if you believe that "rape" is conditionally to the color of someone's skin. Sexual assault has NOTHING to do with skin color. Rape and all crime is a sociological problem, not a racial one.

I understand what your experience is. That doesn't excuse your racism, however.

You can make all the laws and try to brain wash people all you want but in the end there will be people that don't like other people because of their race. And don't think that all the blame can go to one race neither. There are free thinking people of all races and you are not going to tell them how to think. So get over it.

Correction, yes you would be a RACIST, not rapist. I mean, I'm not that mean.

Miker, please go to the link. Click on the hyperlink on the page that says gift (verb). Then scroll down to the sentence that says:

<gifted with an uncanny ability to persuade people to do things they ordinarily wouldn't>

Gifted, as in endowed, granted or given. Past tense to the verb "gift". Idiot.

And I amend my earlier assertion, the only thing worse than a word natzi, is one who is wrong TWICE, even when the evidence is put in front of him. I'm surprised you have the cognitive ability to keep breathing when you stop concentrating on it.

I think what may be lost in all of this are some ofthe specifics, mentioned in the article, which put a different spin on the incident. This is the "landlord" of a property with "duplex" housing units. This is not a"public" pool. The child whom the landlord objected to enering the pool was just "visiting."

And yet, this landlord posted on the gated entrance to the pool "an iron sign that stated 'Public Swimming Pool, White Only'."

What sort of person happens to have an "iron sign that stated 'Public Swimming Pool, White Only'." handy and available to post on the gate to a private swimming pool?

Maybe a racist with a collection of nostalgic memorabilia from another time?

Think all you want. But be prepared, when you voice those thoughts, to have them pointed out for what they are.

Wow Sarah, Its good to see someone else on here as pissed as I am. The actual action was wrong, but then people go and defend it! What is wrong with these people?!?!?

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Martin Luther King Jr.

FYI, not that it should matter but to those that this does matter, I am a white man.

With hispanics being detained by ICE (including citizens), all middle easterners & muslims being treated like terrorists and blacks treated badly as usual - one can only imagine where this country is headed to.

The Fuhrer would be proud.

What & Eng,

Don't forget the attempts to force women to be pregnant against their will and the new laws narrowing voting rights and stripping unions.

You know what we need??? More tax cuts for rich people and less regulation (sarcasm). Seriously, it's like we've taking three or four steps backward. I think it's time for the baby boomers to step aside and let my generation have the reins now.

My apologies to all good, reasonable, self aware, baby boomers, of course.

ScottW714......

Your comment is correct. Racists often hide behind contrivances. Rarely, do they have the courage of their convictions.

And, so it is here on Newsvine. Racist comments are defended behind various sorts of convoluted reasoning. Or, they resort to the adolescent retort: "I know you are, but what am I?"

We should never, never fail to confront racism whenever it shows its ugly face. And, we should do this whether that face is masked or not.

BTW----the collapse of your comment was entirely unjustified. Apparently, you hit a racist nerve.

Wow, Glad i'm white.

Reading through some of the posts really shows how far we have not come. While it is ok to be proud of your Ancestry, culture, Nation of origin. Defining ourselves purely by race is a problem. Thinking that any of us Human's are better than any other humans is plain, B.S.

This lady has issues and probably a very low self esteem. Not all white people are racist nor are all blacks. The very thought of being an American to me is the diversity and the contributions of many peoples.

I am lucky enough to have been raised seeing different religions cultures and people. Even have family in Ohio that are white. I am not white I am Native American and Mexican. And they are not racist. My family has some blacks some whites Hispanics and Middle eastern folks. All due to marriage.

Just think of what people are missing out on. By leaving walls up and not letting themselves. Have the experience of learning a new culture.

Due to being afraid and stuck with FEAR.

Go git em Sarah, I'm with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simply make it private access that is not conditional on renting a unit, and she can choose who goes there - as long as she doesn't charge money to access it.

Problem solved.

Umm, not really. You've put a band-aid over the problem, but the problem still exists. She is a racist, THAT is the problem, not that she has to let her renters use it.

You seem to have completely missed the point (unless that WAS your point, which would be even sadder).

Thanks Dave! My mama always said, "Don't wrestle with a pig, everybody gets dirty and the pig loves it." I say, "Go ahead and wrestle the dang pig to the ground, that's why they make laundry detergent."

That's my second pig analogy of the day, lol. Oh well, if the shoe fits, right?

So what you're saying Sarah, is that anyone unwilling to say that you are one hundred percent right and that there is no other viewpoint is a racist? Thanks for clearing that up. Not only is that attitude in itself racist, it is hypocritical. From my point of view, I've never committed a racist act in my life. I don't own slaves, I've never owned slaves, my family has never owned slaves (at least as far back as I can look my family has been poor). I've never lynched anyone, nor has anyone in my family. So explain to me why I owe anyone anything. I grew up in a minority neighborhood and never knew there was a difference between myself and the other kids until someone else pointed it out and told me that I should be an outcast because I was white. If you want to talk about real truth, the only social group that it's still ok to discriminate against is the group composed of white males. And before you say it, no I don't need to grow a pair, I deal with it. Frankly, I agree with some of your rant, but the position you espouse is exacerbating the problem, not solving it. Until we judge all people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin, racism will continue to live (and be profitable). The real reason racism continues to exist is because some people make money on it, and for no other reason.

How about he just Time Travels himself back to the Good ol' days..... but this time he's gonna be black!

I am not defending what this landlord did and it is racism.

What I will defend is the notion that people can't talk about it or point out that blacks are guilty of it as well. Right along with Arabs, Asians, Whites, Mexicans, etc. Everyone is guilty of it. And the answer to racism is not preferential treatment for people because of the color of their skin.

Someone posted MLK's quote earlier and it couldn't be farther from the truth. Everyone should be judged on the content of their character.

Furthermore trying to compare racism is a moot point in the first place. It still has the same outcome no matter what form it comes in.

what_the_81

With hispanics being detained by ICE (including citizens), all middle easterners & muslims being treated like terrorists and blacks treated badly as usual - one can only imagine where this country is headed to.

The Fuhrer would be proud.

I wouldn't doubt that Obama is very pleased with his America, soon they'll be rounding up muslims by the trainload to throw in the FEMA concentration camps. Of course, if we take to the streets in protest, they'll label us "terrorist sympathizers" and throw us in next. The UK has already labeled their Occupy movement as terrorists, I'm sure The current administration is soon to follow that path, right after he gets busy passing the NDAA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSgZUT8X5tI&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

Sarah

Racism is rarely a black and white issue, (This case, however, is blatent racism.) Listen, Franz is using a horrable example, Time Traveler obviously being a racist. He does have a point. I worked at a restaurant last year that clearly stated no tank-top's or muscle shirts, However, a few patrons cried racism and started demanding free stuff, rather than make a stand the owner caved and removed the sign. His motivation was people didn't want to see armpit hair when they ate (a very valid non-racist point). My point is this people need to be consistant with claims of racism or else it will lose all meaning when an actual situation occurs (like now, people are defending the landlord) While racism does exist, pointing to laws and instances of 100 years ago is irrelevant in today's discussion. Plus, Like the Harvard incident people shot the racism card a little too early & a little often.

I am a firm believer that stupid people exist in all colors, shapes, & sizes. If you want to define a stupid person beyond that and say they are a black idiot or a white idiot, that is your own shortcomings. Just call them an idiot and have nothing else to with that person and be on your way.

They (ALL blacks) discriminate and it's OK but if they are discriminated against well boo fkn hoo it's the end of the world. They are the biggest HYPOCRITES in the UNIVERSE!!!!!! If you don't believe they discriminate then try going to an all black bar or restaurant. (You see they don't want you to discriminate against them but they do and will discriminate against you) Or you can move to an all black neighborhood and see how you are treated the list can go on and on. They don't want EQUAL rights they want SPECIAL rights. They do NOT know the definition of equal. I am so fed up with those weak whiny A$$ crybabies!!! All you ever hear out of their mouths is how strong they are. If they are so damn strong then why the hell do they bellyache and cry and moan about the most trivial bullsht? The only two ways they are strong is 1) in a group or 2) with fire arms. I will tell you that a race as a whole that is TRULY strong and that is the Native American/American Indian!!!!!! You don't hear us btch whine and crybaby about how we were treated by the white man. And you won't hear us brag about how "strong" we are. There is no need, we don't have to brag 'cause when somebody really does have something it is seen and doesn't need to be bragged about. They and the politically correct weaklings will crybaby about my post. If you are politically correct even a microscopic amount then you are the most extremely pathetically WEAKEST bottom dwelling scum in the universe. ooooooh Their ancesters had to pick cotton maybe had a few beatin's when our ancestors were slaughtered without predjudice pregnant mothers, grandmothers, babies, little kids entire villages wiped out for some dirt. Personally I think that picking cotton and getting a beatin every now and then is waaaaay better than being DEAD. So black people ShtTheFkUp I am sick of your incessant whining and complaining about how bad you have it and then you brag about how strong you are. Which is it you are either strong (in which you don't complain about how bad you have it) or you are honest with yourself and realize that you really are actually weak at which point you still need to ShtTheFkUp. 'cause this REDMAN is sick of hearing it.

Teabaggers claim there is no racism against minorities... so this must be a socialistic plot to destroy America!

Larry,

This has nothing to do with your post, there will always be people who agree and disagree with you.

I was wondering if your native name is Walks with foot in mouth?

Prohibition doesn't work

So do you think people are too stupid to act for themselves? Sorry, but I don't need the government to tell me that heroin will kill you, therfore you shouldn't use it, I don't need the government to tell McDonalds they have to put a warning on a coffee cup that its hot so if I spill it on myself I'll get burned. These sort of regulations are for idiots, or for dictatorships.

Did you even read my post? Your response reads like something an automated Tea Party argument generator bot might come up with.

I never said that people are “stupid”. I said that most people are too selfish to boycott a racist business. With a very few exceptions, boycotts against businesses almost never work. Simply put, if business X is more convenient or slightly cheaper than business Y most people don’t care what kind of person the owner is. It’s sad but it’s true.

Jim,

Slow down on the drama, thanks. What I'm saying is that a white person, who gets on this thread, after reading about what this lady did, and starts spouting off about how hard white people have it, is ignorant. I never said, other races can't be racist, my point is that in comparison, white people really have no justification for bit*%& about how badly the system treats them. You're looking at isolated instances quickly recovered from, compared to systemic, historic, ingrained discrimination.

This can really be answered through a simple question...

Would you trade being white, for being black?

So your answer is to pop out an impossible straw man hypothetical argument? I stand by my statements. Your brand of racism, while far more subtle than the d-bag landlord's, is in fact more insidious and dangerous. But would I trade? Sure. Who cares? People either like me or not. I don't really care either way. If they choose for that to be based on such criteria as the color of my skin (which already happens) then they can take a long walk on a short pier. I don't let the opinions of others rule my actions. I do what I think is right. What I do know is that this world is the same it's always been. If you want something the best way to get it is to work hard and go get it for yourself. In short, I'm sick and tired of people saying I owe them anything for something that happened more than 100 years ago. I do and will always treat people with the respect that they deserve, and I never base that on skin color, but I will tell you this: there are a lot of people of all kinds of skin tones that receive very little respect from me. I'm an equal oppurtunity hater. I think 90 percent of the world is composed of dirt bags, and statistics continue to prove me right.

The sign has since been stolen.

Jim,

No, my answer is the same it's always been. If you think the system is stacked against you being white, you wouldn't last a day as a minority.

Chlorine doesnt do anything to break up the activators and hair grease. Those form a dirty film around the water line in the pool. Hard to clean up because it's greasy. Trust me, I used to life guard and have to clean the public pools.

Trust me: this isn't about the use of hair products genius.

Just curious all these people who are so quick to think this person is a racist... Assuming that the girl did have some type of chemical in her hair that 1) caused problems to the pool and 2) didn't wash right out in a shower... ... how is the landlord supposed to deal with the issue?

Giving the landlord a small benefit of the doubt lets say that whatever was in the girls hair was causing serious problems to the pool and/or requiring extensive cleaning due to being of a greasy nature and also that a shower wouldnt be effective in removing it... obviously it wasn't appropriate to say 'white only' but how would one appropriately go about solving this problem WITHOUT causing a discrimination suit? Just curious to hear from all the people who are so quick to say what a scum bag this landlord is .... how would you handle the situation?

Cygnus_X-1

Chlorine doesnt do anything to break up the activators and hair grease. Those form a dirty film around the water line in the pool. Hard to clean up because it's greasy. Trust me, I used to life guard and have to clean the public pools.

Wrong. I manage facilities (that includes a pool) and we have close to 100 kids in and out of the pool each day along with the community. Hair products wont do jack to properly circulated and treated pool water. Try again genius. I would be willing to bet their filter medium was crap and their pumps didnt work.

Easy Greg, don't post a sign that says WHITES ONLY!!! That is plain old common sense. Words like that are going to cause trouble. If you don't want trouble, don't use words (or signs) like that.

Hey, Cygnus, lifeguard. Obviously, you didn't have the right chemicals. Shock treatments are used in addition to chlorine to kill the bacteria in the hair products. Also, chemicals will clump the grease so that it goes through the filter more easily and doesn't form a dirty film around the water line. It's the same chemical that will remove the suntan lotion and sunscreen oils whites (and blacks) use while they're in the pool. Obviously, this stupid owner didn't have a problem with those items.

Get a clue, genius.

Umm Greg, the sign says, ""Public Swimming Pool, White Only". This isn't about chemicals...if it were the landlord could simply post a sign saying shower first and otherwise the cleaning is part of having a pool.

And yes, I think the landlord is racist since she is trying to get that sign reinstated. You don't think in this day anyone has no clue that a sign like that is offense???? I'm white and I would totally be offended by it and would complain. What a crock of crap trying to say it is only due to chemicals. if that were true simply putting a sign up to wear a swim cap if you have hair chemicals in would be legit.

how would one appropriately go about solving this problem WITHOUT causing a discrimination suit? Just curious to hear from all the people who are so quick to say what a scum bag this landlord is .... how would you handle the situation?

I would have approached the family privately, explained the problems the girl's hair products caused with the pool, and asked her to please be sure to wash her hair thoroughly before getting in the water. But then, I'm not a racist.

Greg,

Perhaps speaking to the girl or her parents in private about it? Why would she automatically make the jump from one girl's hair product to ALL black people, unless the "hair product" was simply code for "I'm a racist idiot who ignorantly thinks 'black' is dirty and contagious"??? Anyone with the social skills of a three year old or above could come up with numerous ways to approach this in a non-offensive, non-law suit inducing way, if it was really about hair product.

TimeTravelor100,

I'm in a bit of a bad mood today, so excuse me if I don't say this as nicely as you might like, but CRY ME A MOTHER F-ING RIVER!!! Are you serious??? What an absolutely assinine and illogical comparison. Let me tell you something, any white male, that whines about afirmative action, or how the "system" is biased against them, has to be hands down the most weak willed, ignorant, spineless doucher, ever born. You're crying over educational afirmative action???Really??? When, I'm assuming, you're a grown, white, man, and this little black girl can't even go in a swimming pool because of the color she was born??? Get. Over. Yourself. You wouldn't last a day as a minority.

Amen!

Wow

@Greg-3067168

All I'm saying is that people are so quick to instantly jump on the racist bandwagon but yeah when someone is ticked off because of what they had to do it might make them a little less inclined to political correctness.

Posting a sign that says "White Only" is racist, by definition. No ambiguity, no "political correctness," no anything else. Racist, racist, racist. It cannot possibly be any clearer. Surely you can't so obtuse as to misunderstand this.

Greg, how do you know she didn't wash her hair? how do you know she uses chemicals? how do you know she wasn't wearing a swim cap? Continue to be a racist if you want, but you will be called out on it, just like this foolish landlord was....

"Perhaps speaking to the girl or her parents in private about it? Why would she automatically make the jump from one girl's hair product to ALL black people, unless the "hair product" was simply code for "I'm a racist idiot who ignorantly thinks 'black' is dirty and contagious"??? Anyone with the social skills of a three year old or above could come up with numerous ways to approach this in a non-offensive, non-law suit inducing way, if it was really about hair product."

Sure and assuming that the people in question were your every day innocent upstanding people, its quite possible that that would have worked. All I'm saying is we don't know what type of people these were. Yes...posting a 'white only' sign wasn't right. But do we know both sides of the story? Do we know for sure that the landlord wasn't instigated and provoked to that point?

Arnold,

Seeing as we've given him numerous different answers to his question, and he's still persisting in his point, I think it's nothing but a desparate attempt to not give up his rose colored glasses.

Greg,

Give it up. It's racist, you have no point. There is no, no defence, legal, ethcial, or moral, for posting that sign. It doesn't matter if she was "fed" up or they weren't "rational" people. No. Defence. Stop trying to make a case for her, time to admitt it, Greg. There IS racism in the world.

P.S. We could have all the facts about everything relating to this girl/family, they could be the most disgusting human beings on earth, it STILL would not make this okay.

Sarah,

I ought to know better than to get sucked into these comment threads by now.

Once again just giving the landlord the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument, what is she supposed to do? Monitor and inspect each person's hair? Personally take it upon herself to wash people before they enter the pool?

Greg: what the landlord is supposed to do is post a sign saying please wear swimming caps and shower before entering the pool. When the pool gets dirty, as all pools do, the landlord hires someone to clean it and change the filters and otherwise maintain it. If that costs money, raise the rent by $5 per month to pay for it. That way no race is excluded or sent to concentration camps. Does that make sense to you?

Greg,

I'm 100% certain that the only person who was playing the "race card," was the woman who hung the sign saying "Whites Only."

Technically the 'white only' sign is wrong... under normal circumstances. However I can easily see people playing the race card like this. Maybe they came to the pool and sensed that the landlord was irritated and/or concerned about the grease. So the next time they overload themselves with it and come back knowing full well that it is going to set the landlord off and then act like they are 'horrified' when they are approached about it, like they have been a victim of racism and 'its still alive today'. Its quite possible that the landlord was onto their manipulation and flew off the handle by posting the sign. And its also quite possible that she may get some relief depending on what comes out in the hearing.

wow. I give up. see you at the klan meeting.

"Greg: what the landlord is supposed to do is post a sign saying please wear swimming caps and shower before entering the pool. When the pool gets dirty, as all pools do, the landlord hires someone to clean it and change the filters and otherwise maintain it. If that costs money, raise the rent by $5 per month to pay for it. That way no race is excluded or sent to concentration camps. Does that make sense to you?"

Makes very good sense but if you are managing a pool and you see specific individuals polluting the pool and this is causing you to have to clean the pool more than usual you are going to take some type of remedy to keep them out of the pool. This woman made a mistake by posting the white only sign. However, we do not know all the facts of the story and my case in point in this that there are very very few racist people today. Most everyday people make an effort to see the positive traits in people whenever they can and I personally believe that the landlord is no different. I believe that once all the facts come out in this story we will see that she was intentionally provoked and bedraggled into posting that sign and that it was the intention of the offenders that the situation would come about the way it did.

Sarah: TAKE A PILL! Holy goodness!

Cygnus X1: Awesome screen name and dig the profile pic (I am a diehard RUSH fan)

@Cygnus; somebody must have forgotten to tell you that sun screen and sun tan lotions both have oil in them. Also many women also use baby oil on their hair to keep the chlorine from damaging their hair and/or hair color. Not just black women. Perms and relaxers are rinsed out leaving the hair with the desired texture. It's not still in the hair when entering a pool.

Makes very good sense but if you are managing a pool and you see specific individuals polluting the pool and this is causing you to have to clean the pool more than usual you are going to take some type of remedy to keep them out of the pool.

Yeah, like posting a sign for people to shower before coming into the pool..... /boggle/ really what's your argument now? You target the root cause of the problem, the root cause is obviously not skin color, it's the hair chemicals.

(as if the hair chemical excuse was anything more than a lame attempt at justifying racism)

Greg - I lived in and around Cincy for many years, and can assure you - that woman made no "mistake". My Welsh forebears were Quakers, and staunch abolitionists, from PA to OH - things haven't changed much behind closed doors in the lower socioeconomic areas of Cincy. (Many of them are Appalachian, and uneducated.)

If she sees "specific individuals" causing problems at the pool, then she should deal with those specific individuals, not post a blatantly racist sign. And if you really believe there are very few racist people today, you must have just arrived on this planet.

BTW, "bedraggled" is not a verb.

Segregation is on the rise, not decline in the 21st Century...."We've come a long way baby"......NOT!

The landlord singled out Black Females hair, however the trend today, for Black men is Bald, or closely shaved.

What Up with that?.....Racism!

Greg, what the fu$# are you smoking?? How many chemicals are in a white females head on any given day? Slave owners didn't believe themselves to be racist either.

All I'm saying is that people are so quick to instantly jump on the racist bandwagon but yeah when someone is ticked off because of what they had to do it might make them a little less inclined to political correctness.

Greg: What part of "Whites only" do you not understand?

It always amazes me how racists come here after doing mental gymnastics to make every incidence of blatant racism into something else. It's really pathetic.

Greg-3067168

Makes very good sense but if you are managing a pool and you see specific individuals polluting the pool

A normal size swimming pool can have as much as 250,000 gallons in it. How on earth would you ascertain who is polluting your water when it takes well over half a day for one complete water cycle?

Can white women jump in if it is that time of the month?

Hey Greg, the hair thing is totally bogus. Apparently white people don't use hair products or the owner doesn't care about white people's hair products - I don't think so. Completely racist - this woman must have had her head in the sand for the last 50 years to use a sign like that.

I can't believe you people are arguing about the science of cleaning a pool. It's irrelevant here. This is about a racist, stupid person who did a very stupid thing, and now pays the price.

Disabled Vet,

I've had the misfortune of reading your drivel in the past. Cease being a racist, that's the only pill I need.

Here's a little food for thought... where'd she get the sign? I'm guessing that it was an actual metal sign and not a piece of paper taped up.

Also, I find it interesting how indignant everyone can get because some stupid little girl couldn't figure out to make pool rules, that are all encompassing. Instead she had to go and get a sign to show how shallow and simple minded that she really is. My hope is that no one would have the same solution as her to such a cosmetic problem.

Oh come on people! Chemicals used in hair don't "wash out and leave a film" in a pool. Geez. A black person might have chemicals in their hair to straighten it just as someone of another race might have chemicals in their hair to get a perm or dye it.

And seriously, do you think that black hair products are any worse than suntan lotions and oils, or hair mousse and hairsprays? And not only that, but ONE person would cause a cloudy film? Or that black hair products are some sort of indestructible crude oil that requires the EPA to clean up?

Any thought like this shows ignorance of black hair products whether it's an innocent lack of knowledge or a blatant thought process. And for this landlord to put up a sign like this shows not only ignorance of black hair products, but blatant racism that she's trying to pass as a public hygiene and health issue. She might as well go ahead and put up "Whites only" at water fountains because black people might get it dirty. She's a racist. No way around it.

Why not just close the pool until the girl left? It did say she was visiting didn't it? Seems to me if it was such an incredibly difficult task to keep the pool clean then it was a maintenance issue in the first place and closing the pool would have killed two birds with one stone and now the damn fool woman wouldn't be in a national scandal thats certainly going to cause her a life time of grief over some hair gel.

On another note..this is just one more sign of how incredibly tense race relations are in this country still... in order for her to feel it justifiable and possibly acceptable to hang a sign emergent from the worst of the 20th century....Sorry Rosa parks and Martin luther,you did what you could!!

I didn't think to ask this. What size was the pool? If one girl made it cloudy, was it a shallow blow up pool? You know... one of those that if you sat in it might cover your knee. That would make sense on how the "pool" got cloudy... sheesh... any way that you look at this... it's stupid.

There isn't any doubt that this was entirely about race. Regardless of whether or not hair products were part of the issue, the landlord's reaction was to deny access to everyone other than whites. That is entirely racial. Not only that, but if it really was just a mistake that she didn't realize she was making (yeah, right) then she would have stopped as soon as there was an uproar. Instead, she is STILL trying to get the sign back up at the pool. And, considering the family moved out and she still wants it up, then it's not about that family at all. It's now only about race.

The hair product excuse isn't valid anyhow. One person with the dirtiest hair possible isn't going to cause all that much of a problem in a standard in-ground pool. There is so much water in there that you'd need a LOT of hair products to have all that much of an effect. As long as they are properly maintaining the pool, there shouldn't even be a problem.

Regardless, if this really was a problem, the landlord could have spoken to the family. If they still caused a problem, the landlord could have put updated rules at the pool (shower first, wear a cap if using hair products, etc. with a note pointing out that failure to follow the rules will result in action. That action could be higher rent, fines, or eviction. All of that is within the rights of the landlord if someone living there is causing damage or breaking legitimate rules. And that wouldn't be a racial issue. And if the landlord can't handle maintaining a swimming pool, then it needs to be shut down permanently.

To the person who mentioned the dead woman in the pool in MA, that's not related to this at all. Properly maintaining a swimming pool would prevent that situation from ever happening no matter how dirty the people who use the pool are. It was clear even at the time of that event that they weren't properly maintaining the pool. If it was that hard to keep a pool clean enough to see someone at the bottom, then over half the pools in the country would have the exact same problem and they do not.

at least we have all learned that 'cracker' isnt a racist term. still happy 2 fight for your right 2 say it.

Greg-3067168: Technically the 'white only' sign is wrong... under normal circumstances.

Technically? Technically lynching someone is wrong... under normal circumstances also.

the fact is she didn't want any black people in her pool and if she owns the complex then that should be her right.

Greg, for the record, I dont believe you are a racist. It takes alot of nerve to present an oposing view to the main steam.

For those of you bashing Greg, If more of you would take the time to look at all sides of an issue prior to spouting your curse words and name calling, this world might actually be better off!

Kjunme, really?!?!? This isn't her private pool! This is a pool for tenants that have a contractual right for them and their guest to use the pool.

Just curious all these people who are so quick to think this person is a racist... Assuming that the girl did have some type of chemical in her hair that 1) caused problems to the pool and 2) didn't wash right out in a shower... ... how is the landlord supposed to deal with the issue?

"Excuse me Miss. I'm the Landlord of this establishment. I'm here today to ask you the next time you decide to use our swimming pools, is it possible you not use whatever it is you use in your hair or wear a swimming cap? I've noticed the product leaves a cloudy appearance in the pool. You are welcomed anytime to swim in our pool. I just ask that the next time you do decide to use it, either wear a swimming cap or not put any of your hair products on before entering. Thank you very much."

If she doesn't comply, THEN you ban HER from the pool. HER as in ONE PERSON, not ALL PERSONS.

Find another pathetic excuse that supposedly justifies what she did.
Remember this story the next time someone wants to say "They always use the race card."

kjunme wrote: "the fact is she didn't want any black people in her pool and if she owns the complex then that should be her right."

Did you not see the first part of the sign?? "PUBLIC Swimming Pool"

How about "EVERYONE MUST WEAR SWIM CAPS" which is what most public pools require. How did the landlord know that it was specifically her hair that caused the problem?

Regular body lotions, that even white folks use, have some of the same clogging qualities--yet he assumed it was her hair.

He's a racist AND a dummy.

Jack-956313 is racist.

Kjun,

Her "right" ends at expressing how she feels in regards to black people in the pool. If she feels that way, than the burden is on her to live/work/swim in a private pool or at a members only, private club. She however, doesn't have the right to impose on the public her beliefs. She's the one with the issue, she's the one that needs to go elsewhere. She doesn't get to claim public property, or any business, rental agency, service providor, yada, yada, yada that serves the public, as her's to impose her concept of who's worthy to participate upon.

As a white person with very thick, very curly hair, I often use an oil based "chemical" in my hair to control it, especially, in the summer when the humidity hovers around tropical; funny thing is, it doesn't leave a film in my 80 gallon bathtub so please tell me how this one girls hair "chemical" caused a film in a pool that holds 1000's of gallons.

For those saying a shower will be ineffective at removing the grease, if a warm shower, with shampoo isn't going to remove the grease, please tell me how a swimming pool will (remember, grease and other petro based chemicals are not water soluble, which, of course, is why they get sticky when wet and you need soap to remove them)?

This kind of stuff makes me sick! I'm as white as they come and I am embarrassed of this a-hole!

This isn't about grease or oil, or whatever! I use SPF 473 and am a slippery mess when I jump into pools and I've never seen a sign telling me not to! What a douche.

steveaae--can you please quit with the "scientific proof" that black people have significantly lower IQs? That particular kite doesn't fly. Try Stephen J. Gould and The Mismeasure of Man.

Sure, if I want to make black people look bad, I will go to someplace where people don't have any clear understanding of how to answer questions in an IQ test and aren't likely to be cooperative. One can just as easily rig an IQ test for an autistic person and show that the autistic person with genius-level intelligence is "retarded." An IQ test is not an absolute--it is highly influenced by the person who chooses to give it. Add in uncooperativeness, a lack of understanding and trust of the person giving the test, and malnutrition for several generations--and, most importantly, an assumption that black people have enough in common with one another that all black people will be the same--and you can make black people look bad. But, your test has to be racist to begin with.

Okay--let us say that I know this, and I decide to go out and test "white" people, but select my white test subjects from Appalachia (and specifically people who have been malnourished for generations), people from the area the south who have been exposed for generations to old mining leavings with high levels of lead, and from an area in Montana where they do not like the people who are doing the testing and will either refuse to answer or answer incorrectly on purpose. Guess what? I will find that the average "white IQ" is pretty freaking low. Then, let us say that I go test black people in the vicinity of Howard and Spelman and Morehouse colleges--all black Ivy League schools--and find that the average "black IQ" is genius level.

In the US, if you want to make black people look bad--do your test in the area of Washington, DC, where there is lead in the water and hideous schools and presume that these people are representative of all blacks. Then, test the white people in DC where those who are the same age and have the same income level--but who will mostly be college graduates from other areas of the country with internships who are working for peanuts while their parents support them, and drinking bottled water. Yeah--you'll get a heck of a distinction there, bubba, I guarantee it.

The fact of the matter is that when these tests are run with individuals who do not have an agenda, that white people and black people have a barely distinguishable distinction: black people have slightly more athletic ability and slightly lower IQs . . . practically speaking, nothing work mentioning.

The people with the highest IQs are Asian, Jewish, left-handed, or gay. So, a left-handed, Jewish, homosexual Asian will be the smartest of all--by, perhaps, 5 to 10 points. Barely worth mentioning.

Seriously--if you haven't figured out that the conservative racists are eager to buy books that "scientifically prove" that black people are inferior, and that it is very easy for someone who wants to bamboozle such people and make a lot of money to rig such scientific "proof," then you don't exactly represent the highest caliber of your "race." I can't say I haven't thought of it myself--I am poor, and I know exactly how to go about "proving" that black people are "inferior." I could also claim to be attracted to females (not true--but try proving I am lying) but have lived my life successfully as a "straight" person and write a book that would appeal to the "Love Won Out" folks.

There's a sucker born every minute (and, by the way, it wasn't PT Barnum who said that), and a lot of money to be made off them.

In today's day and age, how do you even determine who is black and who is white? Maybe someone whose parents both came directly over from Germany, or from Africa; maybe then you could have some idea. But someone whose family has been in the US for several generations? No way.

Even our so-called "black" President is actually half-white. The whole idea of racial differences is an outmoded concept. We are all mutts.

Greg... okay, fine. So why can't Hispanic or Asian people swim in this pool? Also, why can white teenagers with all that Axe hair gel swim in the pool?

This is hilarious! I am a black female who loves to swim. I never leave a ring around a pool, or a ring around my collar for that matter :) As a therapist, I wonder what Greg's real issue is these days. I think Greg just loves to stir the pot and many here are letting him. Too funny. I really needed a good laugh today and thank you, Greg, for the belly laugh.

I hope that young girl realizes she was not the problem, and that adults sometimes are cruel and insensitive. I feel for the pool lady, she must be a miserable soul to treat ANY child like that. God have mercy on her sould where she is headed.

Mike Said: A normal size swimming pool can have as much as 250,000 gallons in it.

I think you misplaced a decimal point - an normal size swimming pool holds between 18,000 and 20,000 gallons. An Olympic pool holds over 660,000 gallons. 250,000 gallon pools are usually not installed at apartment facilities - those are usually the type the city/state maintains, due to the sheer volume of people that will use them.

As for the landlady - she's a racist, have no doubt, and should be punished accordingly. Hair products? Kidding me, right? The amount of shine spray I use on my hair alone would have her in a tizzy!! (Organics Cherry Blossom Ginseng - not to sound like a salesperson, but I highly recommend it! It works as well in summer humidity as it does in cold, dry winter air.)

And (I forget who posted it) announcing she's a racist won't necessarily deter people from renting from her - she'll appeal to those who are equally racist and don't want to live in an apartment with blacks/hispanics, et. al. There are plenty of people out there who will be more than happy to rent from her, from the sound of things.

Reflects on our society that the woman thought she could get away with it!!!! Some lawyer will make a little change on this!!!!

Beanathome:

You are rght on target regardng malnutrition and IQ levels. Steveaae needs to consider this before making his racist (guised as scientific) conclusions.

Beanerhome- Gould is a paleontologist, Dr Watson won the Nobel prize for discovering DNA I wonder who I should believe. Would you consider Charles Darwin knowledgeable in these matters? Darwin had a lot to say about it. Is Interpol racist, if you look at their numbers from 20yrs ago and today after the large influx of 3rd worlders you can see the breeding ground for crime. The police in Oslo reported all the rapes for the past year where committed by non-europeans.

The poorest people in this nation are native americans, hasidic jews, and whites in West VA, but they all outscore blacks in all tests. People have tried to make tests where blacks are equal but the only people that came close are the 187 teachers that got caught in Atlanta changing answers on tests. The tests used in those books are from all the g weighted tests done. G weighted tests remove culture and blacks around the world score worse on them. There is good news tho international testing shows that mexicans in america score better than mexicans in mexico and african americans scored better than africans anywhere in the world.

If you want to test near colleges do it near MIT, affirmative action can't help in STEM courses. STEM= science technology engineering and math. Can't grade on a curve when 2-2=5. I had one teacher that said he would fail his entire class before he graded on a curve. There was a study that correlated IQ with wealth and white males earned the least for each point of IQ. Warren Buffet's son threw lots of money at africa trying to teach centurys old farming techniques to africans he eventually gave up and realized he should only support simple methods in a land that needs americans to fly arcoss the globe to dig wells.

The chemical hair straighteners that are used do not cloud up water - not unless maybe you used the pool to rinse the chemicals out. You put the crap in, it stays in for about 15 minutes, gets rinsed out, dries the crap out of your hair - so it absorbs nothing afterward. They put a ton of hair products on afterward to try and undo the damage the original chemicals caused, but anytime their hair goes under water, the chemicals quickly leave the hair and end up in the water.

I used to use those products as a teen, then I grew up and realized I wanted my hair healthy and natural. Those chemicals are so awful, I had to shave my head to grow new hair, because what was there before was too damaged to be saved.

It's a problem pretty specific to blacks, but I do think it would be way less rude to just have a general rule of showering before getting in the pool. I wouldn't want to swim with that crap in the water ... or car grease, doo-doo balls, or the perv neighbor's ejaculate. A lot of people on this planet could use a shower before sharing the water I dunk my head in.

Technically the 'white only' sign is wrong... under normal circumstances

WRONG!!! It is wrong under ANY circumstances. It doesn't matter if she owned the complex or the pool or was pissed off at people. You NEVER have the right to violate the constitution of the United States regardless of your mood. NEVER. Do I really need to make it any clearer to you, Greg & kjunme??

Either you two are trolls or you really want to out yourselves as closet racists, because the more you defend this woman's actions the more clear it becomes to us how you really feel about equality. Segregation is not a circumstantial thing when it comes to race. And individuals do not have the right to determine when it is appropriate to segregate.

So she had to perform maintenance on the pool? BOO-EFFING-HOO! If she doesn't want to put in the extra work then don't own a public pool! Things get dirty and broken in public facilities. People are rude and inconsiderate everywhere regardless of race. It is a fact of life. When you willingly take on the responsibility to maintain a public place then you are not in a very good position to complain about having to maintain it. Simple as that. That is the responsibility that comes with managing a public facility. Take it or leave it, there is no in between!

No "yeah but", no "have you considered". The law is the law and her racist behavior is inexcusable. If she is that easily provoked into exhibiting racist-like thoughts or behavior then guess what? SHE IS RACIST!

Whatever the management has to go through to get the pool clean is their responsibility. No one else is going to give a damn on how they do their job. It is called a job, it is their responsibility, and that little girl does not have to worry about "polluting" anything, that is not her job. People piss in, droll in it, spit in it, leave hair and bacteria behind, insects poop and piss in it then die in it, probably throw up in it before they die. A pool is not a clean place, the best we can do is make it as clean as possible, and there are ways to keep it clean. The woman must have known the consequences of working with a pool. This little girl's only job was to have fun- just like everyone else. And GREG would rather believe this whole conspiracy of the girl's parents, rather than come to the realization that the woman was naive, illogical, and plain foolish that a lame argument like cleaning hair products would justify such a sign.

Jack-956313

Greg, for the record, I dont believe you are a racist. It takes alot of nerve to present an oposing view to the main steam.

For those of you bashing Greg, If more of you would take the time to look at all sides of an issue prior to spouting your curse words and name calling, this world might actually be better off!

Jack, since you are so supportive of looking at all sides, allow me to break this down for you:

Greg stated several times that this was not a "normal circumstance" and then proceeded to speculate about how the landlord was feeling that day, or perhaps there was an escalation between the landlord and some of the tenants and she was provoked into posting the sign out of anger.

Did I pretty much get that straight? Cause I think I was able to consider Greg's point just fine. It doesn't take away from the fact that it is a CRAP theory!!

Racism noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\:

racial prejudice or discrimination

By definition this landlord exhibited racism. She discriminated against an entire race of people in a public place (read the Civil Rights Act of 1964, if you don't understand the legality of this action) because she thought hurtful chemicals were getting into the pool. Chemicals, mind you, that she personally believed were exclusive to a particular race. So not only was the action of posting the sign racist, but the line of thinking that led her to posting the sign was racist.

Now, here comes Greg defending these blatantly racist AND illegal actions by stating we should consider the woman's state of mind or the rapport between her and the black tenants. To defend racism in any situation is in of itself, racist. To think discrimination is okay under any circumstances is - guess what? - RACIST!!!

I agree that giving any opposing opinion in a forum is quite brave. I won't take that away from Greg. But it doesn't make that opposing opinion any less racist!

Let's see if our RIGHT to free speach and opinions will be taken away!!! Here goes: They (ALL blacks) discriminate and it's ok but if they are discriminated against well boo fkn hoo it's the end of the world. Blacks are the biggest HYPOCRITES in the UNIVERSE!!!!!! If you don't believe they discriminate then try going to an all black bar or restaurant. (You see they don't want you to discriminate against them but they do and will discriminate against you) Or you can move to an all black neighborhood and see how you are treated the list can go on and on. They don't want EQUAL rights they want SPECIAL rights. They do NOT know the definition of equal. I am so fed up with those weak whiny A$$ crybabies!!! All you ever hear out of their mouths is how strong they are. If they are so damn strong then why the hell do they bellyache and cry and moan about the most trivial bullsht? The only two ways they are strong is 1) in a group or 2) with fire arms. I will tell you that a race as a whole that is TRULY strong and that is the Native American/American Indian!!!!!! You don't hear us btch whine and crybaby about how we were treated by the white man. And you won't hear us brag about how "strong" we are. There is no need, we don't have to brag 'cause when somebody really does have something it is seen and doesn't need to be bragged about. They and the politically correct weaklings will crybaby about my post. If you are politically correct even a microscopic amount then you are the most extremely pathetically WEAKEST bottom dwelling scum in the universe. ooooooh Their ancesters had to pick cotton maybe had a few beatin's when our ancestors were slaughtered without predjudice pregnant mothers, grandmothers, babies, little kids entire villages wiped out for some dirt. Personally I think that picking cotton and getting a beatin every now and then is waaaaay better than being DEAD. So black people ShtTheFkUp I am sick of your incessant whining and complaining about how bad you have it and then you brag about how strong you are. Which is it you are either strong (in which you don't complain about how bad you have it) or you are honest with yourself and realize that you really are actually weak at which point you still need to ShtTheFkUp. 'cause this REDMAN is sick of hearing it.

@ penpusherr, are you really black?

Your post refers to black people as "They" then you turn around and say "I" and then you refer to black people as "blacks".

I think you're really a troll that's trying to make it sound like a black person thinks it's ok for the "Whites only" sign.

Larry -

"All" blacks, huh? What about the ones that don't live in all-black neighborhoods? Or the ones that are lawyers, doctors, and humanitarians?

And no, you don't hear Indians whine about what the white man did to them (not lately any way), because they've already gotten their special rights (in the form of casinos), and since the average Native American male's lifespan is somewhere between 45 and 60, they don't live long enough to complain about much, and while they're alive a large portion of them are too drunk to make any sense. Not to mention the brain damage and deformities many of them have as a result of inbreeding, just to keep their withered, defeated race alive ... can't imagine many of them have the capacity to complain. I would like to point out for the record, though, that your entire post was one long, baseless complaint.

You and every other minority in this country should wake up, and realize that divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book. You're a fool for thinking that you're different than any other minority in this country. Dream on, He Who Posts With Ignorance.

@Larry-1700758

Really? Have you never read a history book outside of a Texas School Board "Approved for the Nation" text book? The plight of black people, American Indians, Native Hawaiians, and Native Alaskans in the Americas have all included rape, pillage, slavery, slaughter, and prejudice. The ancestors of all these people have your so called "whiners" to thank for what progress has been made for all of these groups whether that progress is great or small. Each group has a right to be treated equally and shouldn't just be told to "deal with it" or "STFU". And one group shouldn't pit itself against another. It's not about who had or has it worse, it's about what we are dealing with right now, today.

swooshz - I'm 1/2 black 1/2 white. When talking about the truly dried out hair that would result in all that product being released, I would have to refer to it as "theirs," because I don't have typically black hair. It's a cross between the two, and I don't consider myself to be black or white, I consider myself multi-cultural.

I never said I was black, though. You don't necessarily have to be black to use those products, and anyone who uses them will likely have the same result - your hair will dry out and won't absorb crap afterward. My hair isn't as naturally dried out as my black cousins'. Mine got dried out from the chemicals, so maybe that's where the confusion lies. -shrug-

And no, swoo. I never said I was okay with the whites only sign. You seem like a troll whose reading comprehension is off.

I think that the problem with hair products probably is mainly a black thing, but there are other reasons to need a shower before going in a pool. So, the sign should simply say to shower before entering the pool (which is actually a very common sign). Blacks shouldn't be the only ones targeted, because they're not the only ones who need to shower before swimming. Is that simple enough for you to understand??

If I could ask this lady one question it would be: How do you know which hair products this child uses?

Bottom line is if this woman doesn't want to to allot a decent budget to the proper cleaning of the pool then she needs to charge for a keyed entry....but pretty much....she's just a racist who's using an excuse that she thought would sound really good....forgetting of course that woman of all races use hair products with a billion chemicals in them as well as all the sun tan lotions bronzers...etc...smh for you to treat any child that way you should be ashamed of yourself...

@penpusherr

My apologies then. I myself am 1/2 black and 1/2 hawaiian. I also consider myself multi-cultural and multi-racial. I don't relax my hair but my hair isn't as course as my sister's who does relax hers.

I personally think the result of chemicals use in hair is directly related to the type of product used and the hair type. And you're right, you definitely don't have to be black to use those products. Obviously the landlord doesn't know that.

And being someone of blended descent, I can understand how you would change up your use of terms. Again, my apologies.

I didn't just read this crap about how we Blacks are the hypocites! We only picked cotton and got a beating ever now and then, but you guys were killed. WTF do you think a lynching is? That happened to MY people in the 1940's, 50s, and 60's. I don't remember too many Native Americans getting lynched during that time frame. Is that dead enough to you? You guys still cry about how sports teams are ruining your heritage! That's hypocritical to me! You talk about not crying to the WHITE man, but you guys do...a lot of times. How is that tax free casino on your protected land doing?

And swoo, it's not about the hair products blacks use being worse, it's about the hair absorbing less of it. I'm 1/2 black 1/2 white, and my daughter is 1/4 black, and 3/4 white. We get season passes for our local water park every summer. When my cousins go with us, their hair releases products the fastest - dries out and looks crappy sooner than mine does, and my daughter's hair rarely looks crappy at the end of the day, because it absorbs more of it, and you can still see the effect of the products at the end of the day. None of that is racist, or trolling, it's just true.

Thank you, swoo.

@Larry -- Wow! I can see from your wide sweeping generalizations that you know nothing of the world and really should get out and experience it. People don't fit into that nice neat little box that you try to put them in. Everyone is different.. get a clue!

@Sarah: Funny how quick you are to throw the term "RAcist" around....and yet you still ramble on and on and on....whats the matter...no one listening to you at home? There may be a reason for that. Self awareness is important and someday, when you have no friends that actually want to listen to you stomp your feet about how you are "right right right!" an d how you will take you ball and go home, maybe then you may realize that the mirror has all of the answers of blame for you.

Not only am I furthest from a racist, I do more for more races than you could ever imagine so your little "blurb" about reading my past posts and coming to the conclusion that I am a racist is almost humorous....if it wasnt such a blatant attempt at trying to get others to, once again, jump on your bandwagon so you can feel correct in something. Such as sad, sad existence.

No way he is a real REDMAN.... for they know the history they shared with the black slaves. Many tribes embraced and even married slaves to include them as a part of their tribe... My best friend for the past 20 years is a Cherokee nation representative and they take that part of their history very seriously.. what we have here is a White troll trying to stir up trouble.....

I think you are missing the point he was trying to say even though he is a little radical. He is saying the Cherokee are proud people and they know the hard times that the slaves went through too. But you don't here the Cherokee on TV or any other public forum asking for help or saying they are owed anything. But it's one thing to be indigenous to the land and another being a slave. Can you think of any other society in the history of the world that made their slaves into citizens? I think that is special, and with time things will get even better. I also think that it is a two way street. Opportunity is out there right now and all it takes is getting off of your behind. I live in Southern Alabama and racism is still real for sure, but with another generation it will get better and so on...

Some racism is overt, some covert. It exists at all levels, even with our so called political leaders....

Our number one priority is to make "that man" a one term President.

MM - funny thing . . I was just about to post: "Somebody please send this landlady back to 1951..."

But, in all honesty, isn't it funny how people who are racist and do racist things are also trying to HIDE their true motivation? Otherwise, why use the "hair chemicals" excuse?

Seriously, just be honest. If you're racist, accept the fact that you live in a country where that sort of behavior isn't tolerated, and either don't engage in such behavior, or be willing to accept the consequences.

She could have posted "shark in water" or played an old Poison album or some live Black Sabbath......

Pat, I was at another web site just minutes ago and they were asking opinions about best and worst live albums by rock bands and among the worst the live Black Sabbath was mentioned....a LOT. I'm serious...LOL.

amen timetraveler100, amen!!!!!

The problem is that racists feel their racism is justified, and will violate the old logical correlation = causation fallacy all day long.

Racism is easy to fall into - it simplifies things. That's why we stereotype so much. Yet it's not rational. Yet simple people prefer simple explanations, even if they are irrational and totally unsupportable.

Maybe the landlord head about what happened this past summer in a mostly black community in MA, where a dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded pool for 2 days and no one noticed. Divers could not see objects 4 feet away. If the inspectors had closed the pool their would have been race riots.

"Two Fall River health inspectors, who were placed on paid administrative leave last week after a 36-year-old drowned woman went undetected in the murky waters of a state-run public pool for more than two days, face disciplinary hearings next week."

"Flanagan also said the pool's permit had expired on Dec. 31" and the lifeguards on duty where not blamed because they where dealing with "youths" behaving badly as seen on CCTV "Investigators stopped short of blaming the lifeguard near the slide, saying her attention may have been diverted by a group of other swimmers"..

Maybe there's NO excuse to put up a racist sign. Period.

Is it still 1953 ?

Ya, I thought I was having a really bad flashback - revenge of 60's and 70's experimentation.

What the landlord did was illegal.

It isn't a public pool and it is for the use of the people living in the place. It said that the lady is the landlord and public places don't have landlords, they have administrators. Any hoo, I am sure it wasn't just her I would bet that some of the white tenants complained about the type of people in the pool. She was probably just up against the ropes and wanted to keep the white people from moving out.

This goes well beyond racism into pure, plain old stupidity!!! Most of the rednecks down here are smarter than that!!!!!!!!!!

People of all skin colors use hair products. I have two teenage boys. They like cologne and hair gel. They will not hesitate to go swimming. They give not thought to the film or someone cleaning it.

So the sign is purely racist............End of story!!! Of course, racism is stupidity not matter your skin color!!!

@kajunme:

The landlord's sign stated "Public Pool - White's Only".

Hhhhmmmmm, a paradoxymoronish issue, at the very least...

Hey Bob my Duckworthy THAT WAS THE POINT!........DOH! (I guess you thought Poison was a good one, LOL on you goofball!

steveaae, what exactly is your point? A "mostly black" neighborhood which, given the socio-economic probabilities in this country was most likely lower income, had a poorly maintained pool. Let's think how that might have happened...? I doubt it had anything to do with hair treatments and did have something to do with the high cost of properly maintaining a pool. Alternatively, my lily-white friend's pool got remarkably murky by the end of ever summer growing up due to not putting in the effort required to keep it crystal clear. Pools get murky without proper maintenance -- be that lack of maintenance due to the cost factor or effort. Your story of an unrelated tragedy is just that -- unrelated.

steveaae, what exactly is your point? A "mostly black" neighborhood which, given the socio-economic probabilities in this country was most likely lower income, had a poorly maintained pool. Let's think how that might have happened...? I doubt it had anything to do with hair treatments and did have something to do with the high cost of properly maintaining a pool. My lily-white friend's pool got remarkably murky by the end of ever summer growing up due to the effort required to keep it crystal clear. Pools get murky without proper maintenance -- be that lack of maintenance due to the cost factor or effort. Your story of an unrelated tragedy is just that -- unrelated.

steveaae

Maybe the landlord head about what happened this past summer in a mostly black community in MA, where a dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded pool for 2 days and no one noticed. Divers could not see objects 4 feet away. If the inspectors had closed the pool their would have been race riots.

kjunme

It isn't a public pool and it is for the use of the people living in the place. It said that the lady is the landlord and public places don't have landlords, they have administrators. Any hoo, I am sure it wasn't just her I would bet that some of the white tenants complained about the type of people in the pool. She was probably just up against the ropes and wanted to keep the white people from moving out.

Please for the love of God tell me you both are trolls. No one can be that stupid...

First of all, hair products don't create that much pollution in such a short amount of time. If cloudiness was impairing visibility to the point of not being able to see a body at the bottom of the pool then clearly the only thing wrong with the pool are the people who clean it. Ridiculous speculation to come up with that! Especially the race riots part. You just outed yourself there, Cletus the Yokel!

Second, please do yourself a favor before confirming your ignorance and actually read the law that was violated here. It's called the Civil Rights Act and it's been around since the 60's. Basically it ended "unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public ("public accommodations")." Pay close attention to that last part because it applies to Apartment complexes. Tenants are considered the "general public" within that complex. It doesn't matter if the whole world can't use the pool if they don't live there. It is still public to that group of people who rent apartments or own condos there and their guests. Therefore she needs to abide by all applicable federal and state laws concerning such facilities regardless of how much she hates to clean!

so if I was a white woman could I sue the Miss Black America , Miss Hispanic America, Miss Asian America people ? or the NAACP , the UNCF of so many other groups the dont allow whites. yet there is no Miss White America, or NAAWP come on people unless we get rid of all of these it will never end.

Well I don't know about that, but I do know that ya'll northerners are racists. Roll Tide

There is Black Entertainment Television, the United Negro College Fund, Miss Black America - why are these things not racist against white people?

@bscol:

These were created by a race that was rarely included in 'white' media. In fact, the accolades for other races in the entertainment media is just finally becoming acceptable.

As far as education, whether you wish to understand this or not, testing measures for colleges and universities in mostly white America make it difficult for other cultures (cultural differences not racial differences, if you have the intelligence to discriminate the meaning) to matriculate. So, by creating facilities that are open to cultural nuances, America is able to WELL 'educate' another section of our population, rather than toss them aside and pick on them as animals do their sick and lame. Of course, the would-be sick and lame, in this instance, had very intelligent, strong minded and bodied people who gave up lives and, at times, freedom, so they could just get educated.

So, I don't berate them their tv shows, education, media enterprises, etc. Not one bit. Why do you?

Peace out...

It seems to me that African Americans want everyone to see them for who they are and not the color of their skin - until it is convenient for them. They want to segregate themselves by creating things like Miss Black America (there were black contestants in Miss America pageants prior to this).

bscol..I agree. Seems to me the race card is pulled at anyone's convenience. Funny how in this society everybody tramples everyone else to assert their 'rights', and we're all supposed to accept it. If that's the case, then why isn't it the right of the property owner to hang any sign they want? I don't mean the sign is right or wrong, just it is his property.....just saying.

bscol, really?!? Are you that stupid? Racism is a subjective term, it depends on the person. Furthermore, African Americans are a minority of our population. When the majority gets together to put down a minority based solely on the color of their skin, it's racist.

You could legally have a White Entertainment Television channel. Of course, most people would considered it "racist" because of our sordid history of treating African Americans. You are completely free to consider BET racist. Nothing in American law or society says you can't. But the fact of the matter remains that the African American population is one that has been marginalized for centuries in America and, therefore, something "white only" reeks of racism.

bscol

There is Black Entertainment Television, the United Negro College Fund, Miss Black America - why are these things not racist against white people?

Speaking as a white male, you're a f*cking embarrassment to me.

Why can Hispanics have their TV channel, pageant, and college fund and those not be racist against Whites? I'm so tired of hearing about BET, who is owned by the White owned Viacom. Hispanics have the same things for their people, but I NEVER hear any White person refer to those things when talking about racism. Why? That's the same thing to me. At least on my channel, we speak 100% English(no subtitles or native language!)

That's pretty much every day. Hard to have faith in the human race!

Shallowest end of the "gene pool" perhaps?

Unfortunately there are no membership requirements to enter the gene pool, they'll let just any old idiot in... Even the racist ones that post moronic signs on their pool.

They should post a sign at the entrance to the gene pool: "No racists, bigots, or homophobes allowed."

The well of human stupidity will never run dry. What bothers me is anyone stupid enough to think posting a Whites Only sign is probably driving a car and voting. Yikes!

...more like a gene puddle...

Still trying to get a reply from someone steveaae, well here is one for you. We are all above your small minded comments and we want you to have a great day o.k. Be careful crossing the streets now.

Jus-uni the River Falls, MA case from july is directly relevant to this. A dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded public pool unnoticed for 2 days.Pool managers would want to know why it happened . Pool managers and 1st responders from around the nation would have heard of this just like how every cop/fireman finds out when one is killed in action in the nation.

I have been careful in the streets since I got jumped by 5 members of the "dieversity friendship club" right after I taped an ATM. Don't worry I only got a black eye and the law enforcment officers actually thanked me as the same crooks where wanted for robbing others. My state has the castle law, and those of us that are not felons can carry. You know the NAACP said felons loseing voting rights is racist becasue of demographics of felons.

dude, you're an idiot

Strongly racist people are almost always significantly below average intelligence. Or have a mental issue.

morrigan, I can tell you from plenty of experience that over racism still exist everywhere. Those who believe differently are usually whites who've, historically, haven't been subjected to it.

BrainCandy, Whites also have been subjected to it as well, I am Cajun and we have our share of being a subject to Racism. I don't care what color you are, everybody is a Racist some more than others. You see Racism is not just about color, it can be religion, color, creed, personality, handicapped, and many others.

I didn't say anything about racism always being directed at blacks from whites. Racist come in all flavors. But when we talk about racism in America, well it spans most of American history in exactly that way. But my comment was really about the belief that racism in America was dead, and that this belief is mainly held by those who have never been subjected to it.

yea where do you think the word coonass came from. It was used in the earlier day to put down the cajuns. The only thing is we didn't cry about it because we are proud of who we are and don't care what others think about us.

But how many were called a coonass while being whipped and enslaved, forced to work against their will and tortured to comply? How many slurs do wealthy whites have for poor whites? There's a difference between being prejudice and racist. Not saying one is better than the other, but there is a clear difference.

By overt racism I meant things like signs that say, "Whites Only." I personally have not seen anything like that for decades. If you have seen things like that, BrainCandy, I would be interested in knowing where and when you ran across them.

I do firmly believe that the less obvious forms of racism have not died in the US. You sometimes see them here on newsvine. I saw them in a diverse middle-class community. When you combine racism with economic and religious prejudice, it gets even more ugly.

I think things are better today than they were thirty or forty years ago because overt racism deservedly gets condemned. Like this lady -- what she did might once have been considered perfectly normal,but it is certainly not considered OK today. But we still have a long way to go before we can consider our society free of racism.

I'm just glad that this did not happen in Georgia because we all know that everybody on this blog would jump on the ignorant southerner/redneck conservative train. Ohio should have been a confederate state.

I agree. I live in Alabama and it totally offends me, too. I mean really, say no hair products if that's what you mean...but I don't think that is what she meant to say at all. She meant and still means to say exactly what she did in my view.

White woman from Virginia and I was open-mouthed with astonishment at this. What century does this fool think she's living in?

Terelyn, she's living in the right century. The problem really is that some people believe that widespread racism is a thing of the past. The truth is that it's just as common as 50-100 years ago, but more PC in it's application.

She didn't even have to put up a sign, she could have it in the lease agreement, No lotions or sun screen or jells on your body if your going to swim. That way it's a legal and binding contract.

That implys peaple open rules. In 2009 the Harrisburg, PA chapter of the NAACP asked the govenor to apply martial law to the city due to the black on black crime. Two years earlier they where protesting cops shooting crooks, I wonder what effect that had on cops stoping crime? By your logic the NAACP could have just put up signs saying don't murder.

Here is a quote from an article this past summer in a mostly black community in MA, where a dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded pool for 2 days and no one noticed. Divers could not see objects 4 feet away. If the inspectors had closed the pool their would have been race riots.

"Two Fall River health inspectors, who were placed on paid administrative leave last week after a 36-year-old drowned woman went undetected in the murky waters of a state-run public pool for more than two days, face disciplinary hearings next week."

"Flanagan also said the pool's permit had expired on Dec. 31" and the lifeguards on duty where not blamed because they where dealing with "youths" behaving badly as seen on CCTV "Investigators stopped short of blaming the lifeguard near the slide, saying her attention may have been diverted by a group of other swimmers".

Congratulations steveaae, you've mastered the skill of cut and paste. I wonder how many versions of Windows it took you to do that. Go back to the basement and the Klan meetings as no one on this board cares about your Fall River incident that you keep posting.

That implys peaple open rules. In 2009 the Harrisburg, PA chapter of the NAACP asked the govenor to apply martial law to the city due to the black on black crime. Two years earlier they where protesting cops shooting crooks, I wonder what effect that had on cops stoping crime? By your logic the NAACP could have just put up signs saying don't murder.

Here is a quote from an article this past summer in a mostly black community in MA, where a dead woman was on the bottom of a crowded pool for 2 days and no one noticed. Divers could not see objects 4 feet away. If the inspectors had closed the pool their would have been race riots.

"Two Fall River health inspectors, who were placed on paid administrative leave last week after a 36-year-old drowned woman went undetected in the murky waters of a state-run public pool for more than two days, face disciplinary hearings next week."

"Flanagan also said the pool's permit had expired on Dec. 31" and the lifeguards on duty where not blamed because they where dealing with "youths" behaving badly as seen on CCTV "Investigators stopped short of blaming the lifeguard near the slide, saying her attention may have been diverted by a group of other swimmers".

Just so you know I did vote for obama because he said he would bring the troops home if they where not home by the time he as elected. He was the only anti war option, or at least he said he was.Given the demographics of the military more blacks would at risk there than at home. With luck Ron Paul will win and he will order troops home from these unconstitutional failed wars. The cost of a gallon of fuel is over $800 at some of our remote bases in Afganistan where we are airlifting supplies to guard rocks.

oh, you voted for obama,..... well then please feel free to post any stupid illogical and racist comments you desire. you have earned the right to be a racist today

Ann Coulter still has too many Daddy issues to resolve before she weighs in on this.

Besides, Ann's blacks would never use hair product. They're superior to other blacks, after all....

Jess, what you just did is libel. You can be sued for it. Not only that, it lacked any wit or humor. Don't ever put words in someone else's mouth and keep yours closed unless you have something worth saying that you are willing to sign your own name to.

Actually Laura, libel you have to show harm to a reputation. The only way she can show her reputation was harmed was that Jess made her out to be less extreme than she already is.

"JessK88

i like the nazis. i hate jews. blacks are evil monkeys with hair products. they should not be able to swim cause they're nasty. i support this lady. -Ann Coulter"

This IS Libel.

"Alverant

Actually Laura, libel you have to show harm to a reputation. The only way she can show her reputation was harmed was that Jess made her out to be less extreme than she already is." Can you tell me when she has ever said anythng to indicate she feels what Jess said? Produce facts fool! That was this is all about. Or shut up! The 1st Amendment does not protect libel or slander.

I don't know, Laura. I thought it was funny. Do you know who Ann Coulter is? She is a horrible, evil woman who says worse things that what Jess just said.

And posting anonymously on this page hardly makes one liable. Do you read these readers' comments sections much? They're usually good for a laugh, like when someone like Greg the Troll totally hooks about 20 people into a two-and-a-half-hour argument defending this landlord.

Righteous people are the biggest suckers. Everybody needs some cynicism in their lives. That way you don't have a hissy fit if someone posts something a little off color.

Get over yourself.

Ann would write a book about how it should be that person's right - sell millions of copies to supporters and haters - and laugh all the way to the bank.

Jess, what you just did is libel. You can be sued for it. Not only that, it lacked any wit or humor. Don't ever put words in someone else's mouth and keep yours closed unless you have something worth saying that you are willing to sign your own name to.

While libel is illegal, satire and parody is protected free speech. JessK's quote was obviously made up as there is no indication that he/she has any connection to Ann Coulter or that Ann Coulter has any interest in this story. If satire and parody were illegal, there'd be no Saturday Night Live or The Onion.

Illegal but still happening regularly unfortunately...

About 35 years, I remember in the mid 70's black and whites used different water fountains.

It's been about 50 to 60 years that blacks had to ride in the back on public transportation such as buses. I don't understand peoples thinking, whites and blacks can go to war and fight along aside each other to protect our country and freedom. but such penny nonsense such as whites only to swim in a pool, is ridiculous. No body deserves that kind of treatment no matter what color they are.

Some of those Red State people do not think the laws apply to them. ( Now that I think about it, some of the people in Blue States feel the same).

I can remember all the way up to the middle 80's having a white beach and a black beach with the state troopers station between the two. Oh, the good old days.

It is if she runs a section 8 houseing dump. Private places can restrict membership.

And hopefully much like the so called "good old days", delusional people such as yourself will soon be long gone.

Even today racism exists for whites dislike of President Obama

Um no those of us who don't like President Obama don't like his white half either, I find it amusing that people who scream racism conveniently forget that President Obama is a mixed race.

Now back on topic, I agree with the posters above who said she should have a sign saying shower first, all the public and most private pools I've been to the showers are right there.

craig, I believe you have it backwards, so many blacks voted for obama because he is black or looks it anyway.I hear it all the time ,,even ask people of diff races,

Ram-3507645

craig, I believe you have it backwards, so many blacks voted for obama because he is black or looks it anyway.I hear it all the time ,,even ask people of diff races,

And you think there arent a fair number of people who DIDNT vote for him because he's black? You are clueless.

Most whites dislike of Obama has nothing to do with race. He's just as white as he is black. Their issue is his lack of experience, his stubborn insistance on continuing on with programs and ideas that are clearly not working and his lack of respect for the country that elected him. A man who will not salute the flag of the country he is the leader of is showing disrespect for that country. And a man who has put the country in deeper debt it has ever known or can ever dig out of, AND ruined that country's rating should NEVER have been put where he could cause such a thing to happen. There are many fine black people who would make an excellent President, but he is not one of them. If he was willing to learn from his mistakes and make wiser choices, and also willing to give up his Socialist ideas, stop pushing the envelope and ordering things to happen that he does not have the power to control, and begin showing respect to his country by saluting the flag and NOT apologizing all over the world, THEN, he could become a great President.

No more clueless than those who make a blanket statement that anyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist. Which is what the OP did.

@Craig2952115 That very racism has been in full bloom in the black community as well. I'm a white male and my daily work commute to Camden, NJ is indisputable proof of this reality.

Amen, 1SGFitzsWife4ID! Too many hypocrites seem to forget this and go off on their one-sided rants.

Nikky, while I agree with a lot of what you said, you do know that whole not-saluting-the-flag-thing was a crock of BS, right? I mean, any moron can take a picture of the man standing at attention and slap a caption on it saying that it happened during the pledge or whatever, and Obama refused to salute. It doesn't make it true. And that's exactly what happened there.

Obviously this IS a clear case of racism. Nobody in their right mind would do something like this. Now having said that I have been in swimming pools when a black person enters the water and a trail of murky water follows them because of whatever they have in their hair. I've never seen that with any other race. So you have two issues here. One is that the person posting a sign like that is either a total racist or a total idiot. (They're generally both.) At the same time, the excuse given is interesting because I personally have seen the situation as claimed.

And to those right wing rednecks claiming they aren't racist against Obama because he's mixed race, I say this to you. No, you oppose every Democrat regardless of race. That much is true. But him being mixed race makes it easier for you. That's also true.

craig, I believe you have it backwards, so many blacks voted for obama because he is black or looks it anyway.I hear it all the time ,,even ask people of diff races,

WRONG!! So many blacks voted for Obama because he is a democrat. Or, are you saying that Kerry, Gore and Clinton are black as well?

@Mr. Shin, just proof that the only race that is truly racist is the human one.

@Nikky Mckinzie

A man who will not salute the flag of the country he is the leader of is showing disrespect for that country

What are you talking about? He's constantly saluting the flag - hand over heart, just like we civilians are supposed to do. There are news photos practically every day. Try Google, for crying out loud.

Um no those of us who don't like President Obama don't like his white half either, I find it amusing that people who scream racism conveniently forget that President Obama is a mixed race.

Yes. Because we all know that until Barack Obama, all blacks in America have been exempt from racism as long as they were at least half-white....

It works both ways keywhiz don't be asinine. I had a friend who lived in a predominantly black neighborhood he was black, his wife was white, and their beautiful little girl was mixed, she was shunned by a lot of the neighbors because the child was half white (they wouldn't let their kids play with the little "cracker")

Nikky, it seems to me that Mr. George W. Bush and his dad are also presidents who started programs that were terribly expensive--prohibitively so, for a thinking person--and didn't work nearly as well as planned. The programs included the Iraq war, which did NOT find those rumoured WMDs, did NOT find Bin Laden, did NOT find any proof that Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda were proverbial bedfellows, did NOT make America all that much safer, and yet somehow managed to strengthen the wills of those who hate us, especially IRAN. Also worthy of mention, the tax cuts for the wealthy that were supposed to make life better for all, but only benefitted those who really didn't need it. Wealthy folks who promised that they would do everything in their power to not move all our jobs overseas when they weren't bribed enough to refrain from doing so, and then promptly did so while telling Congress that the bribe was not sufficient to keep ALL of the Americans on staff unless they could get American workers and American profits for peanuts. To quote Bill Maher "Thomas Jefferson must be turning over in his slave" over that program.

One of the main problems in Congress is epitomized by some earlier comment about making "that man" a one-term president. Republicans cannot, and will not, get on board with anything our admittedly less-than-illustrious president wants to do, even if he serves up their very own ideas to them to vote on. The people who elected such a party of No way, no how did so against their own interests as the middle class--the people who actually have to work, and work HARD, for every penny in their paychecks. The middle class's take home pay doesn't even make it halfway home anymore before it is sucked right out of their pockets, mainly by huge corporations.

As for the topic at hand, I agree with virtually everyone who has said that this landlord was wrong in posting the sign that she did. There is no excusing such actions. I do not presume to know what punishment is even remotely appropriate for posting a "Whites only" sign in this day and age. Perhaps putting up a sign on her office door that says "bigots not allowed"?

Everybody on here is Racist. Let a White man or women try and join or try to ask NAACP for help with college and see what they say.

Nikky Mckinzie

A man who will not salute the flag of the country he is the leader of is showing disrespect for that country.

If this is the incident I think it is - its because the band was playing hail to the chief.

Less fox news please.

I didn't vote for obama but I would have voted for Mr. Cain if he would have the balls to stay in and fight.

Thank you for NOT voting.

Indy man ,

I got my laugh for the day. That was so funny , i am still lol.

@nikkymckinzie -- So what you're saying is that you dislike the President of the United States for exhibiting Bush like behavior?..interesting. Let's stay on topic please?.

This about a bigot attempting to disguise her effort to exclude a child from use of a pool that is supposed to be for the use of all tenants and their guests, not just some. What she did was wrong, period!

Well Cincinatti is more Kentucky than than Ohio anyway.............

H25 and what is that suppose to mean.

a Kentuckian wants to know.

Funny---Kentucky was part of the Union. Racism is alive and well pretty much anywhere, including the nose-in-the-air North.

exactly what I said a few posts down, mike. Racism is everywhere. The only difference is that people expect it in the south, so they are more open about it. Up north, people like to pretend "it couldn't possibly happen here", so when it does they have to make excuses or try in some desperate way to bring the south into it anyway.

Connie, may have something to do with Rand Paul, US Senator from Kentucky, who believes that racial discrimination is the same as free speech.

Not a Rand Paul reporter, and never will be....

Why would I be for someone that is against me.....(you probably won't get that)...Think about it but don't hurt yourself hon Mmm-K.

Kentucky was a "border" state that allowed slavery.

From the site, "Kentucky's Underground Railroad" - "In 1850 one in every five Kentuckians was held in bondage. Over 200,000 black men, women, and children were bought and sold like animals, their families torn apart."... In addition, due to KY's poor agricultural attributes, some ran a profitable business of breeding slaves for sale.

Kentucky was part of the Union.

Unwillingly, at first.

Correction....to #16.6....not a Rand Paul SUPPORTER

Here's a hint, the entire country was all for slavery as long as it got things done. Presidents did it and no one seemed to care. So quit pretending that one region is better than the other about it.

Just think without slavery, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

K.J- Lincon had bought Liberia as a homeland for african americans and was sending former slaves back to africa when he was killed. In the first decades of this nation there where more white slaves than black.

Where have you been? Obama brought it back to life in the 2008 elections.

Obama didn't do that. The Right did. They always have. I know, I used to be one. Stop the lies.

As a conservative Christian who usually votes Republican, I was glad in 2008 we finally elected an african american as our President. Was past time. Should have happened sooner. I didn't vote for Obama as I personally would have preferred someone like Colin Powell--military leaders have historically made good Chief Executives. President Obama didn't bring racism back to life in the 2008 elections. Just acted as a lightning rod and brought to the light the fact that we still have a ways to go. This unfortunate incident is further proof. And if you don't want to clean the pool, don't own one. In other words put up a sign that instructs tenants and guests to get a shower before entering. Everyone has chemicals in their hair and elsewhere.

Someone did, but assassin's aren't grown on trees everyday, give them time.

There was also rampant racism in the North prior to the Civil Rights Movement, it just wasn't as overt as it was in the Southern states. As a white person living in Virginia (and who spent 11 years living in Richmond) I can attest that racism is alive and well in our country. It is as prevalent above the Mason-Dixon line as it is below. It is as prevalent in the Mid-West as it is in the South. I was a military "brat" who lived in the Mid-West for much of my childhood and also have lived as an adult in Northern NJ. It is EVERYWHERE... in ALL "races". It is really sad, but those who naively think that it is gone need to open their eyes and look around.

The largest KKK membership is actually in Ohio.

Racism was rampant in the Union states during and after the Civil War, too. Don't even think it was confined only to the southern states.

Plus, this is Ohio. Ohio automatically loses IQ points and gets placed on the Axis of Evil list simply for having Ohio State University. Off subject, yes I know, but also very true.

Go MICHIGAN!!! Maize & Blue!

Roll Tide

Are you seriously arguing that there is no issue because the media missed something?!

Sure, the media may not have all the facts, but we do know:

1) the landlord put up a sign saying "whites only"

2) claims it is due to hair chemicals

3) is arguing the ruling against her

I honestly don't care if others were pushing for this, if other properties also used the pool, etc. The landlord is still responsible and wrong (and obviously a moron).

I totally agree Eng,

I don't care if 100 residents were pushing for it, she chose to do it. If they all pushed for her to lower their rent to a penny she wouldn't have done that. Why because she doesn't want to.

Not to mention, probably a @!$%#ty landlord.

Sort of like when the counter people at McDonalds tell you that their milkshake machine is "broken." It isn't. They just don't want to have to clean it. -Miker-3057253

hey i work at mcdonalds and just wanted to clarify something for you. when people at mcdonalds tell you that the milkshake machine is "broken" and they really just have to clean it, they can't. because that machine: 1. shuts itself down when it needs to be cleaned & 2. takes over an hour to clean and has to be cleaned by maintenance, NOT crew. in fact we are purposely NOT TRAINED to clean it. but they probably tell you that it's broken because to explain all that takes too long and the customer is usually so rude anyways they just drive off like they're McCain and they just found out that they're part black.

If someone puts up a sign on a pool that says "Whites only," the rest of the story is just icing on the cake.

Eng Esq: Wow, for a pompous ass you sure don't read too good. Could you please, for the benefit of all watching, point out where in my comment I said there was "no issue?" (Let me save your afternoon for you. I didn't say that. What I said was that the issue could easily have been averted.)

Hey, if you're content to draw all your conclusions from MSNBC's weak reporting, knock yourself out. Just kindly quit pretending to be the mental giant you'd like us all to think you are. You aren't (as your earlier snafu pretty clearly demonstrated).

My earlier SNAFU, funny. Check out my response in the first vine. I'm sorry you are unable to figure out how the dictionary works.

Secondly, you never stated you have "no issue" but please explain what sort of a conclusion should be reached by your statements state that the "problem would be solved" by simply denying pool access generally, that the media merely did enough to "stir up the hornets nest" and try to shift/diffuse blame for the action.

If you don't understand the message you are conveying, then the issue is not with my comprehension, it is with your inability to communicate.

Here's your sign (copied and pasted in its entirety from the link YOU provided):

1. gifted (adjective)
2. gift (verb)

gift·ed

adj \ˈgif-təd\

Definition of GIFTED

1: having great natural ability : talented <gifted children>

2: revealing a special gift <gifted voices>

Comprehend that - no mention of "gifted" being a verb anywhere in that dictionary.

You clearly have never taken a basic communications class. Have you ever taken ANY classes? If you don't understand the message I'm conveying, it may be partly on me for writing above the 5th Grade level - but fully half of your failure is on YOU. Here's the message in terms that you're apparently capable of comprehending: The landlord didn't need to do this. She could have achieved her objective (oops - sorry - goal, or "what she was trying to do") by simply closing the pool. The reporter who wrote this story could have dug a little deeper to determine why the landlord opted to set herself up for a very predictable ("she could see this coming") legal battle. The girl was visiting her parents at the property. I may not be the genius you are, EE, (and thank God for that - I'd have never found a job) but I'm pretty sure a black girl is going to have at least one black parent. Were the parents banned from the pool? Evidently not, since the sign apparently wasn't posted until after this girl came to visit. Get it now?

OK moronClick on gift (verb) and scroll down. Gifted is the past tense of the verb gift and is used TWICE on the page in a sentence. Here is a copy of the dictionary page:

Definition of GIFT

transitive verb

1
: to endow with some power, quality, or attribute

2
: present <gifted her with flowers>

— gift·ee \ˌgif-ˈtē\ noun

See gift defined for English-language learners »

Examples of GIFT

1. <gifted with an uncanny ability to persuade people to do things they ordinarily wouldn't>

First Known Use of GIFT

circa 1550

Related to GIFT

Synonyms: bless, endue (or indue), favor, endow, invest

Related Words: equip, provide, supply; bestow (on or upon), clothe, confer (on), cover; accord, award, grant; empower, enable, enhance, enrich, heighten; bequeath, will
Near Antonyms: dispossess, divest, strip; deplete, drain, exhaust; skimp, stint

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She could have achieved her objective (oops - sorry - goal, or "what she was trying to do") by simply closing the pool.

This would have disrupted her other tenants, which she obviously wanted to avoid. This was as discriminatory an action as one could take.

The reporter who wrote this story could have dug a little deeper to determine why the landlord opted to set herself up for a very predictable ("she could see this coming") legal battle.

Who cares. Really, who gives a crap ahy she did it. There is no justification, and all that matters is that she hung up the sign in the first place. Plus I bet she was a moron and did not think this would be a legal issue.

The girl was visiting her parents at the property. I may not be the genius you are, EE, (and thank God for that - I'd have never found a job) but I'm pretty sure a black girl is going to have at least one black parent.

No crap.

Were the parents banned from the pool? Evidently not, since the sign apparently wasn't posted until after this girl came to visit. Get it now?

Sure I get it. The parents wanted to rent an apartment and the landlord knew she would be sued if she failed to rent it out. They probably don't use the pool often. Maybe the kid pissed her off. Whatever the reason, the landlord's deeply rooted racism came out with her hanging up the sign, whic is the only relevant point to the entire story. The rest is superfluous unless extraneous circumstances were involved. However, the only defense was regarding her hair products. Do you get it?

And lastly:

You clearly have never taken a basic communications class. Have you ever taken ANY classes?

I have never taken a "communications class"; I never had time for fluff classes. And yes, I spent 7 years in post secondary classes (totaled 221 semester units worth in fact).

Miker thinks the south won.

You're only worth one more parting shot, moron. Here it is. Any real university requires at least one such "fluff class" like communications - even for engineering majors. Therefor, we can conclude that you probably attended a prestigious institution such as ITT Tech. Though most people can complete any program they offer within 2 years - not 7. You must be a first class dingbat. Strike that. You're only a third-rate dingbat. Later.

Dang. Don't you hate it when you think of something after the edit timer runs out?

Ain't is "in the dictionary," too, EE. Are you frequently impressed by people who use that word? Just wanted to point that out.

Miker, I went to the #1 Public university in the world (according to US News Report, Go Bears!). My engineering degree required 4 non-science courses. I took a philosophy course on morality, I had AP credits for English, I took physical anthropology, one women's study course (which was a little "fluffy" to be honest, but still informative).

Bioengineering degree took 4 years. Three more were required for the law degree.

I know it's not as prestigious as being a manager at toys-R-us, but I'm content doing what I do.

Secondly, the verb 'gift' is in the dictionary, as in 'to present; grant'. The various tenses of a word are not listed in the dictionary. 'Gifted' the adjective is a discrete word; but it also happens to be the past tense of the verb 'gift'. Why can't you admit that your assertion that "gifted" is not a verb is incorrect? I get you have dug in, and look like a fool, but come on. It's only looking worse for you the longer you cling to this argument.

Oh, and "ain't" includes a usage distinction in most dictionaries where it is located. But whatever, use an inadequate example to try to make yourself feel better.

For your information, the term gifted has discrete legal and tax ramifications. The term, when used properly, provides for a more accurate representation of a bequest.

FYI: I quit law school (I was accepted by all 10 to which I applied and received a scholarship) because I couldn't stand being around people like you. I sure as hell didn't want to make a career of being around them. Didn't care much for retail, either, but in many ways being around a bunch of completely unskilled merchants beat working around pompous, self-important a55holes. At least we had fun.

You can keep on believing that common misuse makes "gift" a verb, but I really don't care. It's incorrect. The term "gifted" is used to describe a bequest which has been bestowed or the person upon whom it was bestowed. Not the act of giving. There's already a perfectly good word for that. "To give," along with all its many tenses.

Guess your #1 Public University in the world let you down. Sounds like those AP credits for English were handed out a little prematurely, huh? That's OK - I'm sure you needed the boost to your fragile self-esteem. Much like using "Esq" in your NV user name? LOL.