Yep..

Alaska has some of the best trained officers in the country. Have you ever heard of any police brutality cases come out of Alaska? The state troopers do everything up there and all officers are trained to deescalate dangerous situations before they become serious dangerous situations due to the overwhelming abundance of firearms.

Still a sad statistic......

Liberall & Spider.....Anchorage and Fairbanks are good sized cities. Alaska isn't just tundra and igloos. It's as cosmopolitan as many cities in the lower 48.

Because people actually respect the law enforcement up there. I lived in Kenai for quite some time, Troopers up their have something called hard contact / soft contact, bbasically equalize the two. When I'm back home and go out to the bars, the Toopers actually stop in, shake hands and hang out...they don't have that Gestapo, you're guilty until proven innocent, fascist mentality like the cops here in AZ. They make sure they EARN the respect of the people.

Wish they would do a complete study, like not only where but who, killing an officer doesn't happen in all large cities but it may have something to do with the sun.

But 13 in Texas, where everyone has a gun

The reason is , they have no crime like most states have. The only crime they have is in their government and they are never jailed. They just lose their job or are fired. Thats the reason. At the same time you don't see Delaware, Maryland or Philly on the list. They have crime everyday and officers are killed. Why they are not on this list I have no idea. Guess its just a media outline of some states that reported the information to them.

Denise...Murders, rape, arson, robery all happen in Alaska....

Whats your beef with the AK government?

I had a cop harass me. He charged me with being a pimp (Pandering) and then lied to the prosecutor in the police report. would have never filed if the officer hadn't pushed the prosecutor so intently to charge me. Some police are asses. Police more and more are intent on telling people how to run their lives. Not to mention the one speeding ticket in my home state, verse 9 or so out of state. They know you will spend as much fighting it so they lie about your speed and never give warnings to meet their quota. But mostly cops aren't bad, they're just stupid and make mistakes that harm people. A black SUV sped by me and five minutes later a cop came up and pulled me over, told me I was going 11 miles faster than I actually was. He mistook me for the other guy, still ticketed me. Was out of state so no point in fighting it, just paid. And I had to because my license would have been suspended if not paid. Police have more power to harm you than criminals, so injustice is worse than crime. I'd much rather be robbed than interact with law enforcement.

I say it's instant karma. Police corruption is rampant in this police state we used to call a free country.

Maybe if they would spend more time protecting the public instead of using the public as a revenue, more people would respect them. As for me Think it is pitiful when I see half of our police force on the highway writing tickets when crime is so high in town.

There is no excusing the murder of someone doing their job, be it a convenience store clerk,taxi driver or police officer. The statistics regarding the murder of those in all three occupations will have one dominant factor. In almost every case, the murder was committed by someone who SHOULD have been in prison.

It is high time our broken criminal justice system begins putting and keeping violent predators behind bars, instead of releasing them to make way for nonviolent, primarily possession only drug offenders !!

I don't know where you get your info but I hear of a cop getting shot probably every year here in Alaska. Most of the cops here don't deserve to wear a badge. It's all about meeting they're monthly quota, I had a cop coming the opposite direction slam his breaks, do a smokey burnout and come pull me over( I was in a 35 mph zone lol ) his reason for pulling me over....he thought I wasn't wearing my seatbelt lol!! he continued to fish, trying to find something wrong with my car and when he couldn't I was free to go. I felt like kickin the jackass in the nuts!! It's just another way of taxing the working class American!!

What I would love to see is a breakdown of how the shooting deaths occurred. How many of the shooters had concealed weapons permits? How many had prior convictions? How many were victims from a shooter with no prior convictions? How many were out on parole, etc? And I do say convictions versus arrests because in this country you have committed no crime by simply being arrested, a point the anti-gun crowd ignores all the time. The very first book I was required to read in statistics 101 was "How to Lie With Statistics"

I like what you said about that Ken :o ) good point.

Denko--you're back again, and you still haven't learned to spell or write in complete sentences while you ramble on. You accidentally did make a good point, though, about the type of perpetrators who shoot/kill cops. The overwhelming majority are either criminal dirtbags involved in committing a crime or they're in a highly volatile situation and act in a moment of rage. Ken--I'd like to see the stats, too; I seriously doubt more than a tiny handful--if any--such killings are committed by anyone holding a concealed carry permit.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought there would at least be one fanatic ahole criticizing my post about Instant Karma, but I was pleasantly surprised by the quick 25 YES votes!!!

Thank you all. I thought there was no hope for this country of idiots. But clearly there are at least 25 of you who "get it" and you have my UPMOST respect and gratitude. Keep fighting the good fight!

Heather-4107214

Yep..

Alaska has some of the best trained officers in the country. Have you ever heard of any police brutality cases come out of Alaska? The state troopers do everything up there and all officers are trained to deescalate dangerous situations before they become serious dangerous situations due to the overwhelming abundance of firearms.

So freely available firearms have made Alaska a safer place, because its made police behave and respond better (they don't want to get shot) and probably makes the residents a little nicer too. Wow, kind of similar to Switzerland where machine guns are generally available.

In fact, in Switzerland every home owner is required by law to own and be educated in properly operating a firearm. There is no crime in Switzerland. None. They even want to legalize marijuana. How embarrassing for America to be shown up by yet another "inferior country" no larger than New Jersey......

Not only does everyone in Switzerland own a gun, they are required to have 2,000 rounds of ammunition to back that gun up, furnished by the Swiss Government, Switzerland has never been invaded, Switzerland has no crime, Switzerland controls allot of wealth, it appears they are doing something right. one thing is for sure they don't go around pissing each other off or invading each others property. gun education and possession is their key to equality and defense. criminals seek out the defenseless, criminals don't like to go up against a armed individual. and those people that shot police down did it for a reason, they probably just committed a crime or were wanted for something terrible enough to justify ( at least to themselves ) the action they chose to inflict. criminals have and use guns and the liberals want to take the law abiding citizens gun away, that's stupid. now the question? 173 officers died 68 were gun related what was the other 105 deaths caused by and how many of the 68 were caused by cops shooting (accidentally) there own support. another question is how many people died at the hands of police officers, now that figure will shock the hell out of you. to protect and serve my A$$. the difference between a cop and a crook is a steady paycheck. only about 10% of the police are worth a damn. the police forces in this country are a haven for psychopaths. the shame is the bad make the rest look bad, but the police do a poor job of cleaning up their own yard.

Uhm, isn't it amazing that for folks who typically only deal with bad folks who do bad things (and the daily civil rights violations & beat downs) ONLY 173 cops were killed? That is amazing! How many cops are there and only 173 were killed? Seems like a pretty safe job. The last #s I could find for total pigs, I mean cops, was for the year '08 with 2,432,900 (reference http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos160.htm).

Do the math, what is 173 of 2.4 million? Percentages are pretty good you aren't going to die. Pat 'em a few more times on their backs before you put the SS arm band on 'em.

The Swiss also have mandatory conscription.

Im so sick of the gun debate...

I wonder if any of this has to do with the fact that cops are getting more and more trigger happy themselves. Criminals that might have otherwise surrendered are now taking to shooting at the cops because they fear that even if they try and surrender that cops will shoot them. There have been several cases recently where cops have shot suspects under very questionable circumstances. In addition, there have been several cases lately where criminal organizations were found to be run by police officers. Corruption in police forces has been getting worse and worse over the years. Some departments have gone to great efforts to clean it up, but it is still rampant in many police forces around the country. Just ask people who have been pulled over and given a hard time or given bogus tickets to justify an illegal stop by crooked cops. I was stopped for a bogus reason by a cop and only finally let go, without any ticket or warning I might add, after I allowed him to conduct an illegal search of my vehicle. I have had police officers that I have been friends with tell me that they would be more likely to trust the word of an average citizen over that of a fellow cop.

What? Give tickets and harrass the public?

lol... You are complaining (and trying to find justifications for police shootings) because a cop pulled you over one time....and then let you go without a ticket or a warning. Oh the horror........

The corrupt police force is only used to make $$ for the corrupt politicians. We citizens are nothing but a revenue source. The police do not really solve crimes anymore.

If you allow a police officer to search your vehicle, it's not illegal.

I had a cop harass me. He charged me with being a pimp (Pandering) and then lied to the prosecutor in the police report. would have never filed if the officer hadn't pushed the prosecutor so intently to charge me. Some police are asses. Police more and more are intent on telling people how to run their lives. Not to mention the one speeding ticket in my home state, verse 9 or so out of state. They know you will spend as much fighting it so they lie about your speed and never give warnings to meet their quota. But mostly cops aren't bad, they're just stupid and make mistakes that harm people. A black SUV sped by me and five minutes later a cop came up and pulled me over, told me I was going 11 miles faster than I actually was. He mistook me for the other guy, still ticketed me. Was out of state so no point in fighting it, just paid. And I had to because my license would have been suspended if not paid. Police have more power to harm you than criminals, so injustice is worse than crime. I'd much rather be robbed than interact with law enforcement.

I don't agree with JS in SD per se, but there is perhaps an element of truth in what that post asserts.

The most hard-core criminals, I fear, are possibly becoming more apt to violently react to the appearance of any law enforcement officer because of the ever increasing use of various special tactics and special operations groups (a.k.a. 'S.W.A.T. teams') in serving search warrants that are deemed to be 'high risk'. No doubt some truly are, but many of the people I've seen taken into custody by such organizations - mostly for drug offenses, including marijuana possession - were far from dangerous and could have been apprehended easily enough without taking the battering ram to their front door at 2 AM.

I think what's often going on is that these teams need to keep busy to justify their training and equipment budgets, and there aren't enough legitimate uses for them sometimes for them to feel comfortable that they won't be disbanded for being a costly luxury. The problem with this is, of course, that word gets around on the streets. If you're a bad guy and some of the 'minor players' you know had a tactical team breach their door and storm their home with automatic weapons pointing everywhere, what you do suppose you'd expect would happen to you, someone who is committing crimes much more serious than growing and smoking some pot in the evenings? They'll probably just shoot you on sight, so you prepare accordingly for when they try to take you down. Unfortunately, the officer who's pulling you over for a burnt out taillight with the intent of issuing you a memorandum to get it fixed is now your mortal enemy, so you decide to get him before he gets you. You're so paranoid that the idea that maybe there isn't even a warrant out for you yet and the officer had no plans to cite you let alone handcuff you and haul you in didn't even cross your mind.

On the battlefield, snipers have proven to be a devastating psychological weapon. They're always hated by the enemy, for obvious reasons, but quite often by their own side as well. If the other side starts to figure out that a hidden marksman somewhere is picking off their personnel, the expedient solution is to call in artillery to wipe out the entire area the sniper may be hiding in. This fact is not lost on the regular infantrymen behind the same line as the sniper, and most of them do not want that sniper anywhere near them because those incoming high explosive shells that could be on their way any minute to eliminate the sniper don't discriminate. Thus, snipers have often been hated by both sides. With law enforcement, we may be getting to the point that overused tactical teams are becoming feared enough by ordinary lowlife out there that many who used to follow the 'don't say anything besides asking for an attorney' routine are now preparing themselves for combat at the first sign of a possible arrest.

It might be a very good idea if the law enforcement agencies of the nation make sure that any special response is genuinely warranted before calling out SWAT, SOG, SRT, ERT, Tac Team, or whatever else they've got. Sometimes you can't win by winning, and special 'commando' units succeeding too often may be causing rank and file patrol officers to lose their health and lives.

TiGor, I have to agree that SWAT teams have escalated fear on both sides (cop and citizen). This has led to both being more prepared for violent contacts when they interact.

When you see innocent citizens, including children, being killed by police officers for the crime of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, then you have to wonder about the utility of SWAT teams. Since the advent of SWAT units, the fact that police homocides of citizens have escalated seems apparent.

When police become so unprofessional and afraid that they kill needlessly then everybody feels the need to get strapped in self protection. When everybody gets strapped then killing will increase on both sides.

I find there is an easy solution to the police "problem" in this country. Respect and obey the law. I have not seen any laws that are too outrageous to live within. For those "harassed" by police who are just trying to "generate revenue" by pulling you over for breaking a traffic law, get a life. I hope I am not the first to tell you this, but don't speed, don't run red lights, pay attention when you drive, don't over tint your windows, etc. Then imagine this, you won't get pulled over. The police would be less inclined to react with extreme measures if people behaved themselves, and didn't take their problems out on those trying to enforce the law.

Hmm, Joeybagofdonuts - I smell bacon. Does anyone else?

Joeybagofdonuts - Are you or one of your kids a cop ? . Wait tell they come and kick your door in at 3 in the morning , pulled from your bed slamed to the floor and told if you move they will put a bullet in your head , your wife on the floor , your kids pulled out of bed and after 20 min of this , they find out it is the wrong address , they wanted the apt. in back of the house . Then all you get is we had the wrong address, were sorry , my kids will live with this the rest of there live's , they are scared of the cops now , I don't blame them , how can I really tell them that cops are O K.

No need to give my story, but Joey when was the last time your mom let you out of closet? She must be feeding you the police departments old donuts.

Right...because no one was unemployed or hungry under any other administration. The guy could save a burning bus full of children and you people would still find fault with it. Gimme a @!$%#in' break.

i'd give him tons of props if he died saving all the children

What's truly sad is that soooo many people agree with MarkWS. And they truly believe that the Nation fell apart when Sen. Obama became president. The ignorance level is sometimes overwhelming.

He isn't much better than Bush. Mostly continuing what Bush started from what I've seen. All except the health care & it won't make it past the scotus.

RMJ, it is just a stat however. So if McCain was in office, the media would put out that since he took office more police have been murdered due to the poor economy. So there is an implied bias and actually that is what puts lots of people off.

I would argue though that lacking a federal immigration policy, and then suing states that are trying to address the issue, puts police in a tough spot. Those border states are getting mixed messages which I would think puts police in the middle a lot. OWS clearly made enemies of the police because they did their jobs to enforce the laws.

That's right, blame only ONE person for what the entire CONGRESS has done. Interesting that when folks got laid off during Reagan's reign, it was just "down-sizing due to the economy" -- but with Obama in the hot-seat it's all due to "Evil, Satanic Socialism".

Why don't y'all just admit what's in the mirror and call it what it is -- CORPORATE GREED?

theboys, you mentioned a "lack of a federal immigration policy", so here it is... It is a Federal Crime to knowingly hire and employ anyone who either is not a U.S. Citizen or does not have what is called a "green card", yet there are THOUSANDS of companies/corporations in those "border states" which do KNOWINGLY hire and employ non-documented, non-U.S. Citizens all the time. Why do the State cops not go out and arrest the people who are KNOWINGLY breaking Federal Law by hiring and employing all those "illegals?

The answer is that "it would harm the economy", and we all know that in the U.S.A. the Almighty Dollar is far more important than obeying any Federal Law that "just happens" to be "inconvenient to Business" or gets in the way of that other American God, The Almighty Profit Margin.

The Quacked One

You are so right. But it is not just the border states hiring illegals. And it is not just Mexicans. They are just the easy ones to point out. How many others are there that stayed past that H1 visa or that visa to go to school. Or Flew in from wherever and just stayed. I hear people speaking Russian, English like a Brit, and so many other foreign tongues. It makes me wish it was just Spanish.

My state made the list at 10 police officers. Whenever the economy gets bad crime goes up period. Want to stop illegals stop being a bigot like AZ and look at all of them. And boot them all out. Hiring a European and looking the other way. Is just as bad as hiring a gardener from south of the border.

Obama's aunt ignored deportation orders for how many years? his uncle is illegal too... I agree the statye of the union is seriously bad, and you will see more and more criminals shooting as soon as they get stopped. BTW it all comes back to illegals who bring the drugs, to sell to the idiots on the street, that get hooked and need to steal your car or your tv, or rob you at the mall, or the bank or whereever. Something happened for this Master cop to get hit, 1,450 hours additionla training???? No cop in any urban or metro area walks up and stands in front of the drivers window and says can i see your licence and registration, two cops one should have been on passenger sidfe and other should have been moving up flat along the drivers door from rear, less of a target , criminal has to either open door and shoot or turn around in his seat and try to shoot, as soon as one cop yells gun the other should have been behind cover of patrol car.......THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ROUTINE CAR STOP!BTW all the states mentioned have high gang and illegal alien populations, everyone of them so probably something to that. Lets face it gangs are smuggling as many chinese AK47's and other foreign weapons across mexican border as they get here in states, time to are all cops with 45 cal semi automatics, with extended magazines and at least one submachine gun bring back the thompson 45 cal with 100 round magazine, m-16s have no knockdown power, most cops are gonna be in close quarters gun fight so 45 cal perfect and that is what it was designed for to kill charging japanese soldiers, the 38 cals didn't stop the hopped up japanese on their opium and saki.

Very sad when a cop dies, too many criminals walk away from serious crimes, some states have some stupid law that says if you can't bring charges (usually murder) within 60 or 90 days you have to let a suspect go free? They had program on about louisiana gangs being held and system so crowded or witness fear after 60 days they walked out of jail cops said even laughing when they would be arrested saying I will be out in 60 days... that is until katrina and they moved to dallas, and found out there is no 60 or 90 day rulke there, you go in jail for murder you can sit in jail for long time befoer trial, they all bailed and moved back to New Orleans!

Time to tighten the hangman's noose, at least texas rids us of the scum they are not afraid to impose and carry out the laws of the state by execution!

maybe this is the story - if the 'would-be-robber' was wearing a badge

Is it rather the criminal elements are learning that Police aim for their Central mass, (Meaning They WILL/are going to KILL YOU!)So maybe it is personal. Are not the officers wearing vests anyways,

Why wouldn't the police aim center mass. If they shoot it should be to kill not to wound. Only in Hollywood are people able to shoot a weapon out of someones hand. Vests don't stop everything.

The reason they shoot at your central mass is so you do not tell your side of the story as to what happened(your dead! OOPS sorry I shot the wrong person sargent. That's OKAY stewart He's dead no one will know anything different,there is just our story,he was guilty anyways). And I did not mention shooting a gun out of the hand of someone, Still it is not hard to shoot them where they can survive. Just saying that might be a reason

Their vests have improved over time and are much better than they were from the start. But they still do not cover everything (shoot the gun from their hand LOL good one)

They shoot center mass, for the same reason the military teaches you too. Bigger target, less chance of a miss.

You just stupidly aligned yourself with the "refreshing" likes of gang-bangers, drug dealers, and meth heads. Don't try to pretend that all these officer shootings are being carried out by a frustrated and oppressed populace. I'm guessing that anyone who is more comfortable being robbed or mugged, than in dealing with police officers...probably isn't walking on the right side of the law anyways.

lol

most likely you deserved robbed, mugged and the beatdown.

i'm sure you were innocent and the cops 'shook' you down at the library. lol

Would not be surprised that the cops would shake you down at a libary. A bunch of puck kids with badges and not even close to being mature enough to handle it.

Those who have no idea what they are talking about always side with the police state, not matter how repugnant it becomes. I wonder what people would think if they knew there is no more 4th Amendment, and because of that the 1st has become meaningless as well. Those who support the current police state are not Americans. You must support the Constitution to be an American, not unchecked government power in the form of constant police criminality. To say that someone deserved to be mugged and beaten from the safety and anonymity of your keyboard epitomizes the cowardice of those who hide behind a badge and commit crimes with no fear of consequence. Cowards did not form this country, but cowards are destroying it.

Hey Matt that goes both ways. To say that the killing of police officers is "refreshing" from the safety and anonymity of your keyboard epitomizes the cowardice of the weak and powerless who cannot handle the consequences of their criminal lifestyle.

Matt, for once an intelligent statement. Congrats

You find people shooting cops to be refreshing? There are some bad cops out there, but what about all of the good cops that lose their lives? Do they deserve it?

My cousin was a good cop (he was a state trooper in MA), and a good person, and he was killed in the line of duty by a guy who didn't want to go back to jail after violating his parole. My cousin stopped him in a routine traffic stop, the guy had guns in the car, so he just pulled one and shot my cousin.

Is that what you'd call refreshing?

I had my home broken into five times in three years. Even though the perps were seen and license plate numbers given to cops NOTHING was done. Although I have to give them credit. They told me if I did ANYTHING to protect my home, property, or self that caused injury to the crooks I would be arrested and charged with assault!

%&@@# cops!!!

Is that what you'd call refreshing?

According to the libtard way of thinking, yes. That's how libtards think. The criminal is really a 'victim' of society while the cop is evil. Therefore they call it "refreshing'.

That's the libtard way.

paps:

Your cousin, the 'good' cop, was probably trying to steal something or rob somebody when he was shot.

Excuse me? You don't even know my cousin. He wasn't robbing anyone, he was making a routine traffic stop, and after getting the guy's paperwork, the parolee started shooting because he was breaking his parole and didn't want to go back to jail.

You may not like cops, and that's fine. But you have no right to slander my cousin's name because of that. It just makes you sound like a fool.

When your constitutional rights disappear, and are forfeit to some coward with a badge and an agenda of personal benefit from the abuse of others - well, they deserve no better than they get.

So what about those that break that law on an agenda for their personal benefit? Should we just let those guys run free, since they're not hiding behind a badge? Should we just get rid of the police since you don't even see any value in them? How do you think the average American would do with that type of anarchy?

I have no illusions that every cop out there is a good man, and that there isn't a problem with corruption in some police departments. But I'm not foolish enough to defame an entire profession by those that abuse their position. Because there are those types of people in every profession. I believe they should be cleaned out of the police force, but that doesn't make every cop a bad person.

You just sound like a person with a chip on his shoulder who needs to grow up.

while his own behavior is as likely as not unconscionable, intolerable and illegal in most instances,

Is pap's other boy as ignorant as his other?

I have been on the receiving end of corrupt police. A much worse situation than a simple "beat down". I do not lump all police officers in the category of "pigs". Are there bad cops? No sh!t. Are there bad people? Yes. Try being polite and courteous to them. It works for me.

They told me if I did ANYTHING to protect my home, property, or self that caused injury to the crooks I would be arrested and charged with assault!

Now this is a representation of the true problem. Erosion of the right to protect you and yours. Where I live if a person comes in my yard acting the fool I have the right to "convince" him the error of his ways.

God bless the good cops. May the bad ones be weeded out.

just beacuse you had a run in with a bad cop dosent make them all horrible and that way...I was friends with Brad Jones,A police officer from glendale,Arizona. He was shot multiple time and then with his own gun. He was not a bad cop..He didnt let his uniform get the best of him. id like to know how you think its refreshing that these things are happening?! Brad was only 27 years old with a wife and 2 very young children. Would you like to go explain to them until they are old enough to understand why their father isnt there with them?? would that be refreshing for you? if it is your a sick person!

I think we all agree it is time to ban handguns.

if we ban hand guns...i'd have to buy a holster for my shot gun...

If there are some idiots out there who believe the US is becoming a police state, please go @!$%# yourself. If you want to see a real police state, look at Iran. And then dare to say the America is anything like that. Of course there are bad cops, but if there were NO cops, then the crime would be even worse.

No. We don't all agree. Only the ignorant would allow the criminal element to have the upper hand. And that's what happens when you disarm the law abiding with that irrational logic that somehow an inanimate object has the capability of thought.

How about this: you don't want a handgun don't buy one. In fact I'd prefer you didn't because your fear of them will cause you to injure or kill an innocent person. But don't tell me I can't defend myself or my family using any means legally at my disposal.

The cops show up after the crime has taken place. And if the criminal had a weapon and used it against someone who was essentially defenseless because they were disarmed by people like you that's on your conscience. I have less sympathy for the stupid lawbreaker who finds out the hardway granny has a gun and she used it. 2.5 million times a year someone successfully defends themselves from a criminal with a firearm.

And talk about an opressive government. Just totally disarm the populace and see how they treat you.

Maybe instead of demonizing an inanimate object that can do nothing until the human behind it pulls the trigger, you should demionize the human pulling the trigger in the comission of a crime.

Takenaka the only thing we agree with you is you should live in Iran. You think banning handguns is the answer. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! They also use knives, autos, and anything else they can find to kill a cop. I would feel helpless without my handgun. You don't want one that's fine but when a bad guy comes to kill or rob you don't look at me. I won't help.

I guess I would help, not because he deserves it, but because thats what American men do. Stand up 4 those 2 scared 2 do it 4 themselves. No we dont all agree with ur anti-american views.

the attitude...that "I won't help" is something that just drives the nation apart. We are the United States....only by name... now we are...."its all about me States" in our actions.

I truly feel sorry for those who have no empathy...or willingness to put aside ones own beliefs to help a neighbor....even a neighbor that one may disagree with. I think those remarks tear another piece of thread off of the American flag.

absolutely!!! i am one of them

Shocker! The guy who calls police deaths "refreshing" has no problems with cutting their benefits. Nice to know the criminal element is well represented on the vine.

I agree with papsotherboy. Most cops are toll collectors for the city and do nothing more. You or I don't need them and don't need the harassment.

Anyone who agrees that police deaths are "refreshing"...deserves everything they get from the police. And quite honestly I think you do need, and deserve, harassment from the police and the general public as well.

lol

easy heavy B

Insoc: using your logic, you deserve to get brain cancer for not being an independent thinker.

That would make sense...if a person's thought pattens caused brain cancer. Ergo, what you said makes NO sense.

Insoc come on down here to the dirt roads of alabama where I live and you can get "everything you deserve" from our local law enforcement.

Care to be more specific? Or have you run out of valid points and have now resorted to name-calling?

@Neko. I am a law-abiding citizen, who supports law enforcement. I'm sure that I would have NO problems whatsoever with the local law enforcement in Alabama. :)

LOL my point is they don't give a @!$%# about law. It is about personal gain and power I know to many people who have been robbed by my local law enforcement to think that it could be anything else. they are so bad that every few yrs we end up with another state or on rare occasions a federal agency come down to "cool them off" but no one has ever been fired oddly enough. Of couse if you are right I guess that black family that tried to move here 3 yrs ago deserved to have their home filled full of bullets and told well things I don't care to repeat we will just say they were very racist and hate filled. Cause law or not being black, gay, jewish or non-chirstian are all thing you can get killed over. but hey the police are infallible right.

Cuts ? What cuts ?

Even in the last few years, they've ADDED perks.

The nicest being full retirement at only 25 years service....holey cow. NICE !

While the cop working 'the hood' might, might, deserve that, our local guys quite often, go a whole shift with barely a call.

Cause law or not being black, gay, jewish or non-chirstian are all thing you can get killed over

So, like I said, I wouldn't have any problems with Alabama law enforcement. Your anecdotal evidence is also quite unconvincing and lacks reference.

Insoc I am sorry I did not realize you were a memeber of the KKK like most of them you probably would fit in then my bad. I just happen to care about my fellow mankind so things like that happen to upset me.

While it is true many cops use racial profiling and there are many bad cops, we really need them and if we paid more we would attract better candidates.

See Neko...You just make stuff up to try to advance your point. All that does is confirm that you are probably lying about the police in Alabama too. I am not "black, gay, jewish, or non-christian" therefore you you lump me in with the KKK. You just make stuff up because you hate cops. Nothing you say is true...is it?

Yes, no doubt we are the last best place, dont tell anyone. Please?!

Uhhh, your second sentence is incomplete.

"Uhhhh" is not a word in the english language.

Exactly. Which is why he shouldn't have used the phrase or an incomplete sentence in an attempt to correct someone else's grammar. I love irony.

I'll use my "fancy" high school education and inform you that "uhhh" is an interjection and therefore valid. Some of you guys think you're so witty....

yep.

more debt and more decline.

We the people will be lucky if we are able to vote it in the battle(ballot) box 2012.

Gee, Who was prez. back in 2007? If you read the article you would know it was even worse for police that year. You must hate repubs worse than dems.

why can't they just bring W back? the decider gave me hard ones.

What does the fact that President Obama holds office have to do with police officers being killed?! Get off your politicization kick, for pete's sake!

DanG, no one likes that token President so you get off your politicization kick!

BM Dan said nothing political, so how can he be on a kick. I am confused you make no sense

An Obama ( O-thowup ) supporter of course.

@BM wow must be nice to have all that pychic power to instatly know who I am but just so you know you are wrong I didn't vote for Obama. I just happen to have the maturity not to resort to name calling and trying to blame all of my problems on Obama.

or maybe... just maybe... try following the fukin laws. lol

regardless of what the law is right. go ahead and follow gov't down the rabbit hole, have fun.

I worked with a part time deputy. He always thought it was the greatest thing to make a traffic stop and "put the boots to any a$@hole who talked back to him."

He also often bragged about how he was the first one in any situation to draw his sidearm, and how he was disappointed when he didn't get to use it.

He was fired from his non law enforcment job for work place violence.

Typical cop!!!!

Anyone who lives by the gun, should be prepared to die by the gun.

If this guy was a typical cop in your area, you need to move.

Undertrained, undereducated, egotistical thugs. That is what you think you have now? So you say you want to end the pension system and pay them less because that will obviously attract more professional, more motivated people to the job? Really? There are local cops in my area who make minimum wage, part time with no benefits. They work two shifts a day at two or three different departments to make ends meet. Don’t be surprised if you only get monkeys when you pay peanuts. The state police here pay pretty well, but they actually only graduate about 1 percent of the applicants to become troopers. These cops are your people, from your communities. If you think they are lacking in moral fiber, take a look in the mirror. They are you. What do you suggest to make it better? For those of you who want no police, it is obvious that you have not considered that means that the biggest, meanest *sshole with a gun rules. Think biker gangs and Crips. There are neighborhoods where they rule now. You want to live there? How many of your elderly parents/grandparents can protect themselves from such persons? How many of you of any age? If you think it is so bad maybe you crusaders should run down to the local department and apply. Obviously anyone could do it better than the guys there now, right? If you can pass the background check, criminal history check, drug test, physical and psych evaluation BEFORE you go to training and meet the minimum criteria to be certified. I’d love to see some of you keyboard heroes make a traffic stop on a car load of urban youths at one in the morning with no backup. Or go to an armed robbery in progress call. Now that is a real joke. Go back to your weed and section 8 housing.

Wow Bob you took the words right out of my mouth!!! Completely agree!!! If you don't like law enforcement then you have obviously been a criminal. I hate law enforcement too when I get a citation forspeeding or not wearing a seat belt. I realize like every profession there are bad employees it happens even in law enforcement where they are scrutinized and have to pass several ethic tests that most citizens can't pass. Unfortunately, most people that dislike law enforcement don't realize the err of their ways. trust me if your not a problem or burden to society then as a law enforcement officer you will never see them in a negative light!!! Lastly, If you have been a victim of a crime and the crime went unsolved even viable leads its probably because the State Attorney's burden of proof is very difficult to proof because lets face it the criminal justice is broken. If anything we need stricter punishments for the evil doers of society that are in and out of jail!!

We can thank the Trial Lawyers protecting the perpetrators instead of the victims.

Ya can't just go kick the door down of a Crack House. Ya got to have "probable cause" AND a warrant.

So you would instead have cops kicking down anyones door for any reason? Hitler would be a good president for you...

No...what I'm really saying is, a lot of people here are complaining about cops being more focused on "harassing" drivers for traffic violations instead of looking for "real" criminals. I was just stating it ain't as easy as most think and why.

you should just stick to the big ones.

don't kill anyone

don't steal

don't smoke weed in public

i can tell by your posts you'd have difficulty with the ones on the fringe.

"don't smoke weed in public" so are you saying that smoking weed in your home is legal.

Equality:

Traffic related: Like when a cop is run down by bank robbers fleeing the scene? Shooting at the officers pursuing them. Just a few weeks ago that exact thing happened here. Officer had just put down traffic spikes, and they guys veered off the road and ran him down and killed him. I can think of three other officers who were killed by thugs running them down with their cars during traffic stops.

Other causes:....like stabbing, ambushed and strangled, bludgeoning? Know of one officer who was electrocuted.

There are all sorts of WORK RELATED officer deaths...not just being shot.

Nicely stated! I wholeheartedly agree!

I have an idea. Abolish the Cops. let the Citizens deal with it. Be careful what you wish for.

clem kadiddle.....And exactly WOULD cops or ANYONE respect the squatters in NYC and elsewhere? They disrespected public and private property, people trying to get to their jobs, children trying to get to school. I take it you haven't seen any of the photos and videos of OWS'rs jumping on officers backs, shoving them, swinging on them, throwing bottles and other things at them. Guess you missed seeing those gentle souls tear out a fence and completely trash tables and chairs and tear up the landscaping of a natural foods restaurant building. How about you offer your yard or home for those poopin', peein' vermin to camp in.

No, Insoc a lot of leadership instead of sheeple like yourself.

Insoc, some don't need to be taken care of like you do. They lead not follow. Get back in line and wait for your goverment help to arrive. Brother

@BM...So, in other words, people who kill police are leaders...and those of us who appreciate the police are weak. gotcha..... (thus the sad-face emote)

not weak... just weak minded

@ Paps.... so shooting a cop makes me a leader and obeying the law makes me weak minded? I've followed the law to the best of my knowledge, yes I've sped and yes I've been pulled over for speeding. I found out that actually treating the officer how I like to be treated and even throwing in a joke or two makes things go by smoothly. Never been harassed, never been beaten, never been stripped of my rights as a citizen by any officer I've ever encountered.

Maybe it was just the way I was raised; treat others as you would like to be treated. Also, not to think the government is out to get me as you so seem to think it is.

Unbelievable, another bird brain.

You are so deep.

How should we handle red light runners? Snipers on the corners?

Obviously sarcasm is lost on this crowd.

Believer, you are spot on. It is really a travesty what has happened to the men behind the badge compared to 40 years ago. I had respect for law enforcement before it became a crooked game of collecting money so they can drive brand new shiney Z/28 camaros with aluminum wheels and strut around.

A cop wrongly pulled you over for speeding...therefore cops being killed is okay with you. Clearly you are a rational person -.-

Insoc must be a cop. Their comments sound as rational as 99% of the cops out there.

Exactly WHERE did I say I approved of cop killings?

I simply stated I have NO RESPECT for any cop.

Insoc = irrational idiot!

Simply stated my a$$...lol.

In two separate posts you have stated "%&@@# cops!!!" and "no sympathy for cops who get a visit from Karma." Combined with your repeated lack of stated respect for the police...its not too hard to see your meaning.

Simply stated...you hate the police and you have "no sympathy" for those who are killed. The evil underbelly of this world appreciates your support.

(not a cop)

absolutely correct - the more cops there are, the more there is to be paranoid and scared about

Do you have ANY evidence that drug dealers and gang-bangers would be less violent towards police if the police didn't mess with protestors?

Sally; As a Vet, who doesn't hate the Police, I fought for the right of (Jigg.etc) to say what he wants, maybe you should be banned for taking away this persons rights. What blood did you shed for your Country. He said it, and has a right to say it even if you or I don't like It. Period.

He has a right to say it, but MSN has a right to moderate their boards, since they own them. No one's saying he can't say what he wants, but MSN has a Code of Conduct policy that we all agree to when we sign up. If you violate those rules, you get banned. He has a right to say what he wants, but he doesn't have the right to say it here. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church can say all of the disgusting things they say, but they can't just have their protests anywhere. They're restricted from private property, and must have their protests on public grounds.

If he wants to say things like that, he should start his own message board with his own rules.

I have bought many guns an lots of ammo and been a NRA life member for 20 years and not shot a single person. Grow up Cam and quite trying to tie the NRA to a societal problem.

I also belong to the NRA. Better be grateful they exist. Without them the liberals would have long ago done away with the Second Amendment and when that goes there is no stopping it. "Right to bear arms means you are a citizen, without that right your are a subject". Think about it.

Without guns alot of people would be alive that are not. Maybe one of them would have cured cancer or diabetes, who knows. Your gun won't save you from the Government it has gotten too big. At best you will be able to take your own life when it gets so bad after armagedon, or the nuclear war we are working toward if we don't learn to live in peace. Too much paranoia and fear in our country and its sad.

People killed with rocks might have cured cancer..your point is silly. BTW I'm not scared of a damn thing. I am prepared for bad things. There is a difference.