A Michigan man has admitted to police, and at least one victim, that he intentionally infected sex partners with the HIV virus. WOOD's Leon Hendrix reports.
Updated at 4:50 p.m. ET: David Dean Smith's attorney, Richard E. Zambon of Grand Rapids, tells msnbc.com that he plans on "exploring all options" in defending Smith, saying specifically that "I am concerned about his mental health."
Zambon said he hadn't yet seen all of the police and medical records in the case and couldn't talk about specifics, but he said the law under which Smith was charged is a "relatively new statute with not many cases having interpreted" it, meaning few court precedents have been established.
Original post: A Michigan man has been charged with felony sex offenses after he told police he was HIV-positive and had set out to intentionally infect as many people as he could, police said. Health officials have issued an alert warning that "possibly hundreds of people have been exposed to HIV."
The man, identified as David Dean Smith, 51, of Comstock Park, north of Grand Rapids, was arraigned Wednesday on a second count of "AIDS-sexual penetration with an uninformed partner" after police said they had identified a second possible victim.
Smith was initially charged with one count after he went to Grand Rapids police last week and said he had intentionally had unprotected sex with as many people as he could over the last three years, according to police.
According to documents on file with Grand Rapids 61st District Court, Smith claimed to have had sex with "thousands" of partners, intending to kill them by infecting them with HIV. Some of those people are from outside the Grand Rapids area, including people Smith met over the Internet, he told police, according to documents.
Smith faces separate preliminary hearings on the two charges on Jan. 4 and Jan. 9. He remains in the Kent County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bond. Smith's attorney did not immediately reply to requests for comment.
The Kent County Health Department issued an alert Tuesday warning that "hundreds of people may have been exposed to HIV," urging potential victims to come forward and encouraging everyone who may have concerns to be tested for HIV.
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One of the two possible victims police say they have found so far said in an interview with NBC station WOOD-TV of Grand Rapids that she was diagnosed with HIV in October 2008.
The woman, whom authorities and NBC News are not identifying, said she knew immediately that it was Smith — whom she said she met through an ad on the Yahoo! Personals website — who had infected her. She called him "a predator" and "a sociopath."
The woman said Smith sent her a text message letting her know that he was going to surrender to police. The message read: "Turning myself into the law, my life is over. Take care. Always love you."
"It's something he should have done years ago," she said. "He shouldn't get a pat on the head for what he did."
Smith said at his arraignment Wednesday that he has been undergoing counseling. Court documents show that Smith was admitted to Pine Rest Christian Mental Health Services recently because he was "suicidal" and had tried to kill himself at least once.
The records say the hospital determined that Smith is "sexually aroused by causing pain to females."
A Facebook page with Smith's name, address and pictures says he graduated from Harry Hill High School in Lansing in 1978 and studied at the University of Phoenix, a for-profit online institution. It shows that he has worked in telecommunications for several companies.
Posts to the account stopped on Nov. 30. Before then, the account owner posted some messages that could possibly be interpreted as alluding to his situation.
"Someone special to me asked me a question about scandulous people, this was my thought," he wrote on Nov. 5. "Let me know what ya think. When you are young you believe people will love you like you want and keep an eye out for those scandulous people...as you get older you realize most everyone is scandulous so you dont trust anyone but keep an eye out for the special ones that truley care."
A day earlier, this message appeared:
"I pray for blessings to all I know, for forgiveness for my shortcommings to them and that they may no peace. And last, that I love them all as much as I can."
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The woman who spoke to WOOD said she had no doubt that there are many other victims. She said Smith told her that he had had sex with as many as 3,000 people, including men as well as women.
"He hits drifters," she said in the interview. "He hits people who are young. He hits young women, and from what I understand, he hits men, too. Those are his targets."
Dani Carlson and Leon Hendrix of NBC station WOOD of Grand Rapids, Mich., contributed to this report. Follow M. Alex Johnson on Twitter and Facebook
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by the looks of this guy i think 5 might be a little closer then 1000's.well at least he doesn't have self esteem issues
I know Magic Johnson and let me tell you he is no Magic Johnson.
This is why need a more open mindset to the death penalty, he is a monster, setting a curse worse than death on literally thousands of people.. 3rd world leaders would be executed for war crimes if they did this to the rebels.
Instead his victims gain the satisfaction of paying for all his needs and wants until the day he dies, pretty screwed up if you ask me..
ewwww....well it does say something about the gals he was with, he's a troll and anyone in this day and age stupid enough to jump into the sack with a creep like that, that they met online or hardly knew, well....not to say they deserved it (noone does) but they invited disaster by engaging in risky sexual behavior....yech especially him, he's evil looking
All this guy is. is a modern typhoid Mary taken to an extreme degree. The people he infected now have an ongoing health issue. If all of this is true and proven in court I an unable to think of a commensurate punishment. This piece of human detritus has wreck many lives.
I'm all for the death penalty, and this is one that def warrants it. But in this guys case, he doesn't deserve the electric chair, the needle or even the noose. The Chinese have an old thing called the "death of 1000 cuts". He's the perfect candidate for it. No post I've read so far have mentioned anything about bleedin' heart liberals, just for the record, I'm a liberal Democrat, and some of us DO believe in harsh sentences, absolutely. I'll loan the Michigan authorities a good sharp(or dull) knife if they need one! Don't clog up the courts or the prison with pieces of s#it like this!!!
If any of the people he infected died he should be charged with murder 1 and for the balance of his victims he should be charged with attempted murder and intent to cause bodily harm.
Ummm...what about responsibility of his partners hooking up with him in the first place? That's why you don't have sex with strangers and do not be promiscuous. It is safe to assume that all partners may be like him, then you stay healthy and the disease doesn't spread.
People, we may have social rules and declare what is right and wrong...and laws and customs to try to mask and change behavior. But folks, it does not matter... the earth and life on earth sets the rules for us. I'm not a right wing, a radical or a bible basher, I'm just a realist.
Who in their right mind would have unprotected sex in this day and age? Could this be a form of natural selection? The human herd could benefit from the thinning this guy has allegedly done. Props and condolences.
Hmm... Most sociopaths and psychopaths keep track of their "conquests or victims." With a search warrant, the police might find "souvenirs" from all his activity. A long and painful punishment might be appropriate. A bullet in the back of his head (like they do in China), would be too merciful. Slow immersion into boiling lead might be more appropriate.
Don't worry he'll live to a ripe old age because we will give him the best drugs avaliable as long as he lives. Thanks to our warpped system. Our left wing bleeding heart politicians just don't get it. Death penalty is a deterent if we use it....Instead we should put him to death and save the money for honest people that could use it....
Creating laws based on emotional impulses never works out. Your logic could be used to take it a step further, for example, and suggest that we should legalize torture. In fact, we could use your logic to say we should go back to medieval justice, where scumbags like this have their heads jammed onto pikes outside the city gates.
But guess what? That won't make the victim's suffering go away, nor will it give any more satisfaction than civilized justice. Those of you calling for ancient barbaric punishments like "death of 1000 cuts" area actually exhibiting the same sociopathic mindset that led this guy to commit these horrible acts. Do you really want to lower yourselves to his level? Should society pander to the lowest common denominator? No.
The death penalty would only make this situation even worse, as it would force the victims to endure years of mandatory appeals. And before you predictably suggest we eliminate those appeals, keep in mind that, even with them in place, we routinely execute people who are later proven to have been innocent.
States with the death penalty do not have lower capital crime rates than states that don't. They actually pay more to execute a person than to imprison him/her for life. Victims still go through the same mourning process and are frequently left with the same feeling that the perpetrator should have suffered more. The death penalty costs us our very soul as a society and gives us nothing whatsoever in return.
Actually, it's not. As I pointed out above, states that have the death penalty do not see ANY reduction in capital crime rates. None whatsoever. So no, it is not a deterrent. It's a waste of taxpayer resources.
As for this guy, he won't see the light of day again. He won't be able to victimize any other people. That's civilized justice and that's the way it should be.
Death penalty. The morning after sentencing.
I volunteer at the gallows!
Need I say anymore?
lol! Thought the same thing myself. But then again, sex can be purchased. Of course, at that price the other person probably is already infected anyway.
@my rides
left wing bleeding heart politicians? lol. you ought to thank those left wing bleeding heart politicians. if not for them, neo cons would go to town on your rights every chance they got.
having rights is great isnt it? or, at least, only until other people make their rightful claim to those rights. then all bets are off apparently.
This man deserves the right to trial, one appeal, and if found guilty.... 1 gun and 1 bullet. This type of behavior should NO LONGER be tolerated or paid for by the American people.
My guess is the police are closer to the truth when they say possibly hundreds than this guy saying thousands. First of all, on look at this guy and you seriously doubt he could find thousands of women willing to sleep with him Then when you think about is only being three years, he would have to be having sex with a different person almost every day just to get to 1000. In any case, this guy should be brought up on attempted murder charges for every person he had sex with without informing them after he was diagnosed. For any of his partners that die form AIDS he should be charged with first degree murder. Too bad that they do not have the death penalty in Michigan. The tax payers of the state are going to wind up having to house, feed, and provide medial care for this PoS fr the rest of his life. If ever there was an argument in favor of the death penalty, this guy is it.
Anybody ever hear of condoms?? Especially if the guy is bragging about hundreds/thousands of partners.
You don't have to be a movie star to have sex with a lot of people. All you have to be is determined. If you don't discriminate in anyway, it is certainly possible and/or likely to reach those numbers.
Umm how exactly are we tolerating it? The guy has been arrested and will likely spend the rest of his life in a dark prison cell.
What you just said is a classic example of a logical fallacy known as "cognitive dissonance." Or, in layman's terms, an "either-or argument." Basically, the fallacy occurs when the premise of your argument is that, if your solution is not enacted, then the problem is therefore unsolved. It's considered a fallacy because it assumes, without any basis in logic, that your solution is the ONLY option available. In this specific case, you're basically saying that, if we don't shoot this man in the head immediately after a quick trial and appeal, we're therefore "tolerating" his behavior. If we throw him in prison and send a message to others that this type of behavior will be severely punished, that does not constitute tolerance of his crime. Therefore, your statement is completely without merit.
Furthermore, we're not "paying for" him to commit his crime. In fact, it costs MORE money for the government to murder someone than it does to imprison him/her for life. And even with all those mandatory appeals, innocent people are still executed all the time. If we followed your ridiculously simplistic model, we would have even more innocent people being murdered by the government. You may not have a problem with this now, but you might change your tune if you ever find yourself being falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit.
So this guy raped thousands of people?....I mean he must have forced them to do it without use of a condom. Don't misunderstand, i know everyone on the internet is clean and would never lie to anyone to get what they want...I am sure they all asked...Do you have HIV? And he said...no, never...not I..........................................
..............................................................................................................................Anyway, Yes what he did was very wrong, but we all have to take responsibility for our own actions, our choices, its sad that so many may be infected, more so that they have moved on and infected even others...BUT, we all should be acting to protect ourselves and the ones we love and that means responsibility and respect. Now, practise safe cyber sex too...put plastic wrap over the keyboards...happy new year
Give him the chair!
And not the electric chair. I mean tie him to a chair until he starves to death.
Because attitudes like yours is why we are becoming a prison nation and its only going to be getting much worse. Also with the states becoming more burdened by debt, criminals stand a better chance of receiving a early release due to not enough space.
We have tried it your way since at least the 1970s and its been a utter failure. Its time to go back to when crime rarely happened and criminals received swift and just justice.
I just love when people bring this up, especially considering the fact you have a better chance of dying from old age, than execution if you are unlucky enough to make it to death row. No criminal will give our death row much thought, since they stand a better chance of being hit by lightning than being sentenced to death.
Now on the other hand if we consider the murder and drug rate of Singapore, both of which are capital punishment offenses, we see that they are very low, which means it works..
If we had swift public executions, crime will drop because not many criminals would be willing to risk it after watching one.
For your thoughts that criminals are simple thoughtless animals, that simply isnt true, I suggest you take a tour of max security prison sometime and ask them..
Bob Segar is crying right now; myself, Roll me away I gotta get out a here..!
One thing everyone should note is that the term "partners" is gender neutral, and likely the case, from everything I've heard, should be taken into consideration.
No need to waste the time and expense of a trial.....just take him out back and shoot him.
If this man truly did this then all he deserves is a bullet in the back of his skull!!!!
I am not heartless, but is there anyone who hasn't heard of AIDS? Is there anyone who hasn't heard the countless stories and ads urging them to use condoms? His "victims" put themselves at risk; by a) sleeping with someone they did not know and b) not protecting themselves. Look at it this way....if you walk out onto a freeway and get hit who's to blame, you or the driver?
anyone who has hiv/aids needs to be quarantined as they have a very communicable and lethal virus. it is a national safety issue that the gov has the power to control but instead allows people that have hiv/aids to have sex and interact with the populace thus spreading the virus, the gov has again failed its constitutional requirements.
this guy here who says he had sex with 1xxx's for the intent purposes of infecting them with hiv should and can be charged with attempted murder and if any victim gets aids and or dies, murder 1. to give him some sex crime bs is way below what the law says and really says alot about how we treat people with communicable bio-hazards. at every level this gov fails.
500 years later and the white man still enjoys spreading disease...
and for anyone to blame the victims is just out of touch with reality and needs to rethink their life as they have a sick mental condition. while it IS the responsibility of BOTH parties to PROTECT themselves, it is NOT the fault of the VICTIM who gets INTENTIONALLY infected by a scumbag. do we blame the mugged for being mugged? do we blame the raped for being raped? do we blame the child for the child abuse? in those examples the problem could have been prevented if the victim chose a different course but we still dont blame em for the ill actions of the other. what is wrong with you people who go out of your way to find someone else to blame instead of the monster who premeditated this deadly spread?
"2sxe4myshrt
500 years later and the white man still enjoys spreading disease..."
so white men are the only ones spreading disease? why dont you do us a favor and get some sense.
People with aids kill people a lot more often than people with guns. 74% of all HIV transmission is thru homosexual men and some actually think homosexuality is supposed to be just fine yet they are shocked when the see a story like this.
I do not understand why in this time and age people would have UNPRTOTECTED sex any more. I guess bad things always happen to "other people"
This does not surprise me. I once knew a guy who told me right to my face that if he ever got AIDS, he would deliberately infect as many people as possible for revenge! This guy has just done that. Sick and twisted thinking, indeed, but some people are just lovely that way, aren't they?
I agree. It's terrible that some people don't consider themselves important enough to take precautions for their well being -- how sad.
Dash-Sam (#1.22)
You're free to disagree with #1.19, but simply going "I'm right and you're wrong, nanny-nanny-boo-boo" does not make for a persuasive argument. In fact it's rather childish.
1.19 offered plenty of factual information, where's yours?
Hold on everyone. It doesn't matter how many he may have infected, and infected on purpose. He didn't do this alone. He had willing accomplices. Yes accomplices. These accomplices not only agreed to sex, but they took a chance by accepting the non protested variety to boot. The man may have had a mission, but he couldn't accomplish any of it without willing accomplices. This story has been written for sensationalism; to stir emotion. Look how well it has succeeded
Seriously, and the headline MSNBC puts it "He may have infected". May have huh? The guy turns himself into police and fully admits to what he did and this news page still has to be so politically correct as to make sure they don't get sued for saying the wrong thing. Either that or they're all idiots.
As for the guy, I agree with half these posters on here - he's not something grand to look at, that's for sure. What did he do to get these women he so called "loves" to go to bed with him and have unprotected sex? Not that I condone this, but what's wrong with these women? I feel horrible for them, but they should have thought about this before having sex, any sex, with anyone for that matter.
I hope he goes to jail for the rest of his life with no medication for his disease. Since we're going to be paying to house him in jail, make him suffer the way he made these women, and supposedly other men, to suffer by doing what he did. Hopefully God will punish accordingly also.
Huskergal... It's called felonious assault under the law.. at least in Ohio where if you know you have HIV/AIDS and don't inform your partner. Andre Davis (Gangsta Lover) has been convicted in one county and is facing further charges in another.
Bob, your comment is idiotic. This story isn't about homosexuals in the first place...lol. Nice getting your little agenda in there, though. This guy wasn't gay or straight in this, but just out to kill people. This isn't a gay issue...this is a criminal committing crimes that aren't even particularly sexual except for the act itself. Who knows what he did to trick or lie to people, and while it's easy to say they should have known, we don't know how many he courted and lied to about himself and his feelings...we just don't know the whole story here. In case you didn't read the story, he was having sex with females, from his report many females, and not just having gay sex.
The article said he gets aroused from causing pain to WOMEN and doesn't say he is gay and out having fun. Get a grip on your homophobia.
After seeing a few AIDS patients at hospitals, I think rotting in prison and slowly dying of this horrendous disease would make anyone beg for the death penalty. Let him rot.
Kris Craig....
"They actually pay more to execute a person than to imprison him/her for life"
Could you give us some evidence of this statement please??? I don't buy it.
At least the guy was an equal opportunity tagger Men and women. Wonder what the breakdown was?
If ya make me El Presidentee, I'll make everyone with an incurable venereal disease git a small but noticeable tattoo on their butt and groin. An S, GW, H, HPV, AID, what have ya. Then before ya take it or stick it ya can exchange info at a glance. LOL!
Trust-Verify,
I really do not care what it is called under the law. Laws change everyday. What I care about is the emotion thrown into a story wherein all parties ere willing. Yes, he had a obligation to tell and didn't, but the accomplices should have made sure the sex was protected sex. They have an obligation to themselves and they didn't care enough about themselves to protect themselves.
descrs - there is an msnbc article on this very subject. Look up the title "To execute or not: A question of cost?"
I am surprised by the regular comments about 'wasting money' on jailing a prisoner for life. I thought it is common knowledge that due to our judicial system, it costs millions more to execute than to imprison for life.
Swagganaut, I think you may be missing something in your logic. Those who get mugged, those who are raped, and abused children are completely innocent individuals who in no way take part in or consent to the crimes against them. These people having sex so carelessly ARE taking part, putting themselves in harms way with their wanton behavior and they play a crucial role in the transmission of STDs, be it HIV or herpes or any other disease out there passed through sex. Society encourages sex with multiple partners and doing whatever feels good - there is no such thing as self control anymore - and this kind of thing is what happens as a result. How can anyone truly be surprised?! Sick people will stop at nothing to hurt others, by whatever means necessary, and the method this man used was quite literally the easy way!
Kris Craig
In fact, it costs MORE money for the government to murder someone than it does to imprison him/her for life.
Well, not exactly. The additional costs are incurred as death penalty trials and the cost of maintaining a prisoner on Death Row are higher than other prisoners, not the execution itself. I believe the point being made is that if we simply 'took care of business' it would be cheaper, which is actually correct. Your point is out of context.
Well, as someone already mentioned, in order to infect thousands, as this SOB has claimed, he'd be having at least one, if not two, sexual encounters daily. As to having stranger sex, in this day and age, it is like playing Russian Roulette. Say you do agree to consensual sex and at the last minute your 'partner' rips off the condom, how you gonna stop him, especially if you're (pardon the expression) not in a position to see what he is doing?
The coward couldn't just figure out a painless way to kill himself, instead?
What a d*ck, but we knew that.
To all the people whining about how it costs less for life imprisonment than death, here are some figures:
Beretta 9mm 6in: $400
Uses: 10000+
Cost per use: $0.04
Beretta 9mm Bullets: $10/50ct
Uses: 250
Cost per use: $0.20
Total cost for an execution if our judicial system wasn't so screwed up by all this "politically correct" bulls*** would be about $0.24. I agree that the death sentence should only be handed out if there is concrete evidence and no chance for eveidence to the contrary, but I would pay 24 cents to get rid of a guy like this. Oh, and as far as costs for funeral, etc., let the family take care of it. If they don't want to, toss him in the oven.
Yea, so here's the thing: You understand WHY the media has to phrase a certain thing, but you blame them for it anyway. No, they can't say that a person committed a crime until after they've been convicted, or else they can get sued. Just deal with it. It's just something we've gotta do as a society.
I am super hetero, but I have witnessed too long how gays have been demonized in the South, by people who are less human than them. Most gays are awesome people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HR4hp_-kSI
The HIV/AIDS virus will kill him slowly and painfully if it were up to me that ishow he would die, slowly and painfully. I would not waste a bullet, rope, electricity or even dirty a needle. Let the virus he is carrying kill him in it's own unique way.
for the one who said this day and age it was possible even likely that he could have been with 3000 ppl as he says.........infecting thousands of people..............ok first of all while we cant say its impossible,no one with basic logic and reasoning skills could say "its very likely" that he could reach those numbers.........No it isnt. The time frame is 3 yrs.........the target number 3000......possible.......yea possible........ likely? not remotely "likely"....To do that he would have to sleep with 2 to 3 different people a day,EVERY day for 3 yrs....2 to 3 people...every single day...for 3 years.........Now who here ACTUALLY believes that this is likely. Now had they said the people he infected,and the people THEY then infected could be 3000. It doesnt however.The woman said she knew he had been with 3000 people in the 3 yrs since he had contracted HIV........No its not even a little likely he personally infected 3000 in 3 yrs
vayne -
The fact that she was one of his victims pretty much proves she's not terribly bright.
Some good has got to come out of this underground social tragedy of wide-spreading this virus he intentionally distributed to others.
If he agrees -- and assuming he gets psychiatric treatment -- he can also be used as a human test subject to clinically test the efficacy of new pharma drugs or experimental medical therapies that target the symptoms of HIV or the HIV itself.
Meanwhile, his victims -- assuming they have the courage to come forward if they even know about what he did -- can also volunteer to go into human trials to test these new treatments.
Disabled Vet and Ram, the article stated it was both men and women that he had unprotected sex with but Bob, your obsession with homosexuals and their behavior as well as rate of HIV transmission leads me to believe you have your own hidden proclivity. This article wasn't about that it was about a man who is sick in the head, purposely giving other people a potentially fatal disease.
The police say "hundreds," the man says he slept with thousands in 3 years - that number, while very high would be possible by Craigslist "casual encounters" or whatever they call it. Unfortunately, some posters have not grabbed the obvious. He obviously had mostly one night stands - meaning his victims were willing to have a one night stand - when the victims get infected (and don't know it) they can literally pass HIV to children their liaison may have created and also to every partner they have after this man- that would put the number in the thousands with most of them not even knowing they are carrying a disease - the virus can take upwards of ten years to show itself.
As for the death penalty (I agree with it when it is applied fairly and there is NO doubt about the persons guilt), it is more costly than life in prison and 2nd, 3rd, etc "generation" victims may not know they were related to his behavior and may not know they have the disease and - may not die. I, however, would not want to be the prison guard watching this man. Perhaps we need a prison for HIV & AID patients only - and they must be in for life, on death row, or many for years - their crimes must be awful, not the man stealing bread to feed his family) - automate the prison so that no human guards EVER have to come into contact with these people who want to hurt people with their disease.
Please don't take this the wrong way, there are MANY good people living with HIV and AIDS. I lost a loved one to this disease, but my loved one (this was the 80's) knew he had it because he got tested and when he got a positive test, he did not sleep with anyone ever again (he has since passed). He was an amazing person. There was a poster who said all HIV and AIDS persons should be rounded up and quarantined - I have to say no, because the majority (like 99.9%) are good people, are honest about their disease and would never want to inflict it on their worst enemy. Like the woman said, this man was a sociopath- he is not the norm.
Don't make the victims of HIV/AIDS into lepers because there are a few very rotten people - this man can rot in a cell starving to death because he set out to hurt people, kill people....he does not represent the bulk of people living with HIV or AIDS.
F Walsh - I agree with you, Bob has pulled stats from thin air. Most "new" infections are from married men on the DL with men (down low) transmitting it to their wives.
@descrs-1664846, I remember reading that it costs more to execute a prisoner because of the costs of mandatory appeals, sometimes multiple appeals.
@ all of the commenters who want to paint this creep's victims as "accomplices" because you assume that they all knowingly had unprotected sex--would it make any difference to you if they used condoms, but this guy had poked pinholes in the condoms? How about if he had intentionally bled into a food supply or blood product supply that was then used on others? Get over your stupid moralizing that people who have sex deserve punishment, and try placing the blame where it belongs, on the guy who intentionally tried to infect other human beings with a deadly disease.
I you are dumb enough to have unprotected sex, then if you got AIDS from this guy (Or any other person) I do not feel sorry for you. It is YOUR job to protect YOUR own dumb @$$, not the governments. That's where terms like, "No glove, No love." came from.
The complete lack of self responsibility has been completed, now run along and go suckle off the governments teet.
J-Stat, if he had bled into a food supply or blood product supply, then all victims would play no part and would truly be just that, real victims. I don't care whether or not these people had unprotected or protected sex, the point is that when you so casually participate in sexual acts with random people, you knowingly put yourself at risk for any STD like AIDS that is out there. Regardless of his intentions, people have an individual responsibility to themselves to guard their health. Sex should not be thrown around so carelessly. Because of this, every participant is responsible for the outcome that results from their own choices. That said, this man is still a twisted individual - there are many in the world like him and there is no doubt he has committed a horrendous crime. Too bad there were so many out there that enabled him to do it!
I absolutely love how the majority posting here want this man punished. Oh yeah, especially the call outs for his death, yeah.
But wait, what about...
The responsibility of those he had sex with to protect themselves? We all KNOW in this day and age you DO NOT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX, period!
This man is no worse than the people he screwed. They all deserve each other and I have no sympathy for him nor for his victims. Get some moral backbone people and this kind of sh!t won't happen to you. But hey, just keep living your morally bankrupt lives. Keep practicing behavior which was once thought to be sinful and wrong, but now is called an alternative lifestyle and referred to as sexual freedom. You won't need a death penalty before too much longer because the morally bankrupt will soon wipe themselves from the face of the earth by their own actions and lifestyles.
Enjoy your New Year...it could be your last one. :)
I wonder if more crimes have been committed with the penis or the gun.
Are you people REALLY trying to blame the people who didn't insist that he wore a condom? They should've been more careful, sure, but the man was going out of his way to convince people to just have sex with him in order to give them AIDS. That's like using the logic that you should never fly on an airplane because sometimes the pilots get drunk, and you're running the risk that this could be one of those times. You know that there's a risk when you travel, but you do it anyway. And then it's YOUR fault when his negligence gets you killed?
Realist-502574, morally bankrupt would be a good description of your comment.
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Why, because I have a moral code, don't sleep around or have one night stands, and believe certain types of behavior in a civilized society are wrong?
Realist - No because you have no compassion in that heart of yours. T'were it one of your children that happened to have unprotected sex for whatever reason and turned up with AIDS you wouldn't feel the same way. Your heart would be breaking. I don't wish to personally attack you, but your beliefs don't always coincide with everyone else's, especially your lack of empathy for others.
The reason they're saying "may have" been infected is because exposure to the virus does not necessarily mean they actually got it. I would not put myself in the situation that those people did, but it sounds like some of the people commenting need to take sex ed again. That man is sick.
Buck I agree with you 100% on all points.
stueystu
You presume to know me from a statement when you don't know me at all!
I have plenty of empathy. However, it is located in my thinking brain and not in my heart which is an organ providing blood supply to my other organs and does not have the ability to think. I empathize with someone who contracts an illness through no fault of their own. Not with someone who intentionally invites trouble/illness into their own lives through their own actions. I would feel an even greater lack of empathy were one of my children to have this happen to them because I have raised them to believe it is morally wrong to behave in a promiscuous way. And a lack of empathy would still not qualify me as morally bankrupt!
me and my girlfriend think he's cute...but we wouldn't f*** him...teehee
Frankly I don't feel sorry for ANY of them. You want to go out and sleep with random people, or have sex before getting married and REALLY getting to know them then you have absolutely nobody to blame but yourselves.
In fact if he walked I wouldn't bat an eye, it takes two to do the do and both are equally responsible to know what they are getting into.
You obviously didn't read my post, so I'll try this again: Even with our extensive appeals process, countless victims of execution are later proven to be innocent after they're already dead. If we just swiftly executed people on the spot, it stands to reason that countless more innocent people would be murdered by the government.
Speaking of opposing arguments we love, I just love it when people cite Singapore as the ideal society when it comes to justice. So let's talk a little bit about Singapore. In 1970, the government completely abolished trial by jury. Instead, a lone judge now gets to decide-- without appeal-- whether you're guilty or innocent. If this judge has some personal bias against you (for example, maybe he holds some sort of resentment toward white Americans), you're just SOL. Time to die.
Amnesty International, as well as numerous other human rights organizations, have condemned Singapore for consistent and repeated crimes against humanity, including denial of the right to presumption of innocence. In fact, people in Singapore are more likely to be put to death for crimes they did not commit than in any other nation (with the possible exception of North Korea).
So yes, people in Singapore are less likely to commit crimes because their government uses domestic terrorism to keep them in line, just like any other brutal regime. Saddam Hussein was also famous for using these tactics against his own people. People in Singapore are not more safe, however; in fact, they're less safe. The only difference is that the greatest risk to an innocent victim in Singapore isn't a masked gunman breaking into his house, but the Singaporean government itself barging into his house, accusing him of a crime he didn't commit, rushing him before a kangaroo court where a judge declares him guilty because of the way he's dressed, and shooting him in the head before his family even knows where he is.
If that's what you regard as an ideal society, then you're in the wrong country, pal. This is America. We don't do summary executions of innocent people here in order to maintain terror and control. If you like the idea of a woman being beaten to death for smoking an ounce of weed in the privacy of her own home, move to Singapore and stop trying to drag this country down to their level of senseless barbarism.
Unless you want to turn the United States into a brutal dictatorship like North Korea and you don't mind murdering innocent civilians, then the Death Penalty simply does not reduce crime. The only way to prevent innocent people from being executed-- or, at least, to minimize it-- is to have decades' worth of mandatory appeals like we have here. And if you have all those appeals, the person ends up spending most of their life in prison anyway. The only difference is, we get to waste a lot more taxpayer money and then pat ourselves on the back for showing the rest of the world that we still have one foot back in the Dark Ages.
While condoms are fantastic, THEY DON'T PROTECT AGAINST ALL SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES! I hope those of you that are demonizing people for not having protected sex, are NOT having sex at all. You are comforted by a false sense of security. Get tested, have your partners get tested! STAY MONOGAMOUS!
This is Typhoid Mary on a larger, scarier scale. I hope not all of the people he slept with are infected with HIV. What a horrible, horrible man. I think he deserves nothing more than the Brass Bull.
He should be infected with the Ebola virus and locked up inside a large tin can until he dies.
So when do his partners have to take some responsibility for not demanding he use a condom?? He didn't rape anyone.
Who cares what his motivations were.
How do you know he didn't rape anyone? Not all of those 3,000 people have come forward. Many rape victims don't go to the police. Just because he claims it was consensual, doesn't mean it was.
It matters what his motivations are a lot. Let me put it to you like this: Scenario 1) a child is playing and throws his ball. His trajetory is not great, and in this accident, it breaks his mother's vase. Scenario 2) A child, in a fit of anger, climbs up on the table, grabs his mother's vase, and smashes it to the floor, demanding a cookie. In both situations, the vase is broken, but the cases are very different. Can you see why? I have much darker examples, but I think that is a good PG-13 way to put it.
I am sorry togspled, but what is your point? In neither case did the vase jump into his hands.
Yes, Indepundit, our justice system is so screwed up that we try to ensure that only the guilty are executed. How terrible of us. And yet we've most likely messed that up a few times. If you're talking about the govt (which so many of you don't trust in any capacity) killing US citizens, you better be damn sure they're killing the "right" ones. Better option, save the money it costs to execute, make them suffer in prison the rest of their lives, and use that extra money for our schools.
Wow, 3000 sex partners. The guy looks like a predator yet that many people have slept with him?
The point he had was..have sex with hookers..they have sex every day with 15 customers..those 15 have sex with others, etc. etc...it all adds up..could be thousands.
That's right, your not only sleeping with them but everyone they have slept with and if you go to the "Past Lives Pavillion" then that could be 30 or 40 thousand!!!
SoBit,
"The guy looks like a predator yet that many people have slept with him?"
It's hard to really tell for sure because mug shots are rarely flattering. Have you ever had your picture taken in one of those photo booths and then looked at it and asked, "Is that really me?" That's what mug shots are like.
Just throw him in a cell and do not treat his HIV or any other diseases he contracts. Save the medicine for his victims. Offer it to them free of charge like they freely give it to prisoners. Let this creep die the slow death from AIDS like he wished on everyone he had sex with without protection.
Castrate him now. Don't surgically castrate him. Don't chemically castrate him.
Tie him to a tree and with a stout cord tied to his testes and to the back bumper of a vehicle (leave a goodly amount of slack so as to get up to speed) and let the laws of physics take care of the rest.
Don't forget to leave some dirty salted rags for him to tend to the wound.
workingpoor-2370498
You seem to be rather excited about the idea and method of castration. Not sure where that puts you compared to this scum.
Not sure what exactly you think that would solve either. We already know it would make YOU feel better.
No, it's needed to set an example. Because they'll coddle this jerk and put him away somewhere for the rest of his life. The thousands of lives he's ruined call out for some justice a bit more dramatic than what will be given out.
He needs to be made example of. Do you think the punishment they will give this scum will come anywhere close to making up for the thousands of lives he's ruined and destroyed. Same argument could be made for child molesters and serial rapists.
I know where it puts you in relation to this scum. Hold his hand and a dozen years of therapy at the taxpayers expense.
workingpoor-2370498
Oh wow.. you who desire to mutilate and stoop to this scums level think you know me? I never said a thing about holding hands or sending him to an over priced head doctor. You on the other hand were rather descriptive and detailed on how YOU would punish him and seemed to gain pleasure from describing it and perhaps would even want to be the one doing it. Punishment in western society has NEVER been a way to "make up" for the crime. It has either been rehabilitation or retribution. On occasion it has been restoration of value or making the victim whole again.
My issue with the death penalty is it is rarely applied equally, too often applied to innocent people and is not reversible. Life in prison, without the luxuries, is a fitting punishment. I agree we coddle criminals way too much but if we get it wrong we can at least "make up" for that error. Now on the RARE occasion someone confesses IN COURT to some heinous act, I say line them up and shoot them down. The problem is we have all seen questionable confessions.
hy do we have it all wrong? Am i the only one who thinks Science got a bad attidude towards viruses?
1) It is called an STV not an STD.
Sexually transmitted Virus not a disease. When you see many bumps on someones hands its not a virus they are heat sores or acne or what, Its caused by the stress hormones and histamines. Heated blood causes the skin organ to change that's all.
Its not the virus that does that.
that means if someone has a cancerous infection does that mean i will get cancer too from him wow man.. I won't we got it all wrong.
Just becuase science says its true doesn't mean its true. We learn to question things.
2) Am glad I woke up to those things people come to conclusions about. When Hiv started in the 80's some people passed away from the virus within weeks of flu like symptons. Are u kidding me ? doctors said it takes years for it to happen to Hiv. They passed away from fear that's all. Adrenaline its all what it is! caused the fever...
3)The Immune system doesn't fight, It understands and copes, so the body makes enzymes now to adapt to it, like a mutation to survive. Just like when sugar came into the human body , the body made enzymes and organs to understand it so human can now digest it.
4) The bubonic plague isnt what wiped out people in Europe it is superstition and stress that's all. That stress hormone slowed down the metabolism and caused Plague! Plague is what u get on ur teeth and in ur blood! Not from a Virus. its from high levels of cortisol and adrenaline.
5) You are only fighting yourslef.
Adrenaline goes down, Immune system goes down. Too much of adrenaline i.e. fighting something fight modem will damage and causes plague and slow metabolism. Too much of anything will turn against you.
It's is not a disease! it is a virus? What are we to a creator but little beings? so are we viruses now and should he wipe us?
6)Wow wow wait here i found it, So like Science said When Cortisol and adrenaline goes up the immune system goes low right? that mean fighting is what in the end will cause the disease the too much adrenaline not the virus.
Number 6 is valid.
7)ignorance and superstition.
Wow science... Because 1000 scientists said so doesn't make it true...
Try not to scare me off with little tiny microscopic things.
Wow viruses are all bad, why?
Enough is enough. Its the Adrenaline and cortisol, it comes from fight mode. and too much of it will plague you, causes your skin to change swell turn red and get bumps thats all..
Its not the immune system that causes the infection. It is the high levels of adrenaline and cortisol not the virus.. its not good to fight it, evolution is evolving, mutation? who said we were made perfect we mutate all the time, our genes do!
A Virus is not a disease. Thats sad people thought that in the 1800's and still do till today. Viruses, Bacteria, and cells, and Ecoli is all part of the human body, what kills someone is more fear than the virus itself. Just because you hear it from doctors doesnt make it true. I am glad your not a leader you would have discriminated against people for having viruses. Wow dude.. have your own research instead of listening to others. Btw, The flu, Chicken pox small pox and meningitis, does that mean there are bad viruses? and there are really bad viruses?. I dont get it. Viruses are all the same.. your body adjusts to them. You can live your full life healthy
Cue theme song from "Twilight Zone".
I can't believe this guy could find that many people willing to have sex with him, unless he was paying them. I am amazed the woman from 2008 did n't report him then, if she "knew". He was still in contact with her.....
Not that I..know anything about meetin gals in bars.
BUTT....
You'd be surprised at the number of women out there who want and luv one nighters!!! Yes, I'm single and take home quite a few. The exception being, I always use the best of Condoms. I've had women not even mention that I use a condom prior to intercourse. But I do..always. I've even had gals say, lets do away with those rain coats.!!!!!!! And I know lots of guys who I've hung out with tell me they have had unprotected sex with one nighters. NOT ME!!!!!!!
And with the rising of 9internet dating, there are sexual opportunities daily. I just caution people to take care of themselves. They ain't even..close to a cure for aids or a lot of venereal diseases for that matter!!
America is full of whores
and the internet is full of ignorant forum trolls.
And many of them are in Washington
....America is full of whores.
....And many of them are in Washington
And apparently one at 2sxe's house also.
He is a serial killer!
Another lesson to be learned ladies. Don't have sex with some one you have "known" for 2 seconds. Come on women use just a fraction of the brain God gave you. Intially infected anyone with HIV automatically should be treated a 1st degree murder. This was a thought out plan to kill. Now if a gun had been involved , there would be 300 post on this story. Of course this is just a man committing serial murders.
Don't forget the men, rjw007. They need to be discerning as well.
HIV was first discovered in this country in the gay community.
rjw: That's a lesson to be learned by both genders! It kinda goes both ways...
Not even a "good try" Joyce
In 1981, the first cases of AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) were identified among gay men in the United States, acquiring the designation, GRID (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency); however, scientists later found evidence that the disease existed in the world for some years prior, i.e., subsequent analysis of a blood sample of a Bantu man, who died of an unidentified illness in the Belgian Congo in 1959, made him the first confirmed case of an HIV infection.
Trying to pin this disease on the gay community speaks to your character.
So, Joyce...what does your comment have to do with the price of eggs in China? Does it make any difference whatsoever where the disease was first diagnosed? That has nothing to do with this article.
The disease was spread by the gay community in this country. What kind of denial are you in?
Protection, abstinence anyone?
It was "spread" by no one. "Spread" is intentional. HIV in the U.S. has been more common in the heterosexual community for the last 10+ years. Read up.
I don't think Joyce was trying to "pin this disease on the gay community" -- at least I hope not. She may have phrased it poorly, but I think/hope she was directly responding to rjw's post admonishing women but not men, as if women are somehow more to blame for their bad choices and for getting infected. Again, I think/hope she was trying to point out the problem exists among men in male communities, as well, where women are not even a factor. It was phrased poorly, admittedly, if that was her intent... I prefer not to jump to the worst possible conclusions when there are other legitimate explanations.
Hmmm...I read somewhere that homophobes usually have some inner conflicts with their own sexuality.
klondiko - a bit homophobic, are your? AIDS was first identified in this country in the gay community in 1981. Since you can't do the math, I'll do it for you. 1981 was 30 (thirty) years ago. Although they were initially prevalent in the gay community, AIDS and HIV have long since spread to all walks of life. They are no longer "gay" diseases, and haven't been for a long, long time. Do a little research and bring yourself into the 21st century, numskull.
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i would be demanding a FULL BODY condom for this nasty dude! plus a stiff drink and a bat to my head first.
ladies, be smarter. this guy just LOOKS dirty
Custom1911 - care to enlighten the rest of us as to what a "homophome" is? I can't find it in any of three different dictionaries.
The HIV virus was also spread in blood transfusions and plasma proteins given to hemophiliacs. It was first discovered in the US in the gay community, but actually, it was spread by bisexuals more often than not because they gave it to women. It was NOT started in the gay community, just first discovered there in the US. Get over your homophobia and blaming the victim. A perp like this can make all kinds of excuses for not wearing a condom, or have a rigged condom. He is an attempted murderer if convicted. His punishment should fit the crime--deny any antivirals to this animal. Let him know what it REALLY feels like to die of AIDS. He wanted to commit suicide? Works for me. AIDS is a horrific disease and nothing to laugh at. Nobody and I mean NOBODY deserves to die of AIDS related complex. Mistakes are made in the bedroom all the time. This is one that has such a horrible punishment that there is no reason for us to inflict more punishment by blaming the victim. Blame the perp and no one else. If you never in your life had unprotected sex, you would be in the minority. Are you really that sure your long time lover has been 100% faithful--and what about those that she/he had sex with before you even met? Show some compassion for the victims--I think they are kicking themselves hard enough that there is no need for us to help them.
color
Aids in the US was started in the Gay community. It was brought to the US by patient Zero, a commercial pilot who contracted the disease in Africa and began spreading the disease in the San Fransisco area. It was not spread more often by bisexuals as you suggest, since it is harder for a women to get infected through vaginal sex, Gay men get it more often because anal sex makes it easier to get it into the blood stream. In recent years AIDS is increasing in the straight community, mostly because of drug use.
a phobia is a fear of something so homophobia would be a fear of homo's. i really really dont think anyone is scared of homo's as they do not give the appearance of toughness so please all you people who use that term to label others who do not agree with the homo lifestyle....shut up cause your babbling.
The last statistic 've seen still shows AIDS highest among Gays and needle users, and also among certain ethnic groups, not to be mention since I do not want banned. Peace Out!
I agree with you Bologna sandwich ick!
mo5254
ummm male to male is the most common... <<< follow the link
Some years ago a documentary featured young gay men in SF who contracted it deliberately because, in their words, "You're not cool if you don't have HIV."
To say it's more common in the heterosexual community now is a moot point. The fact that gays would spread it until it infected all of society was the concern from the start. Now they've done it, just like all the "homophobes" feared they would. To turn that around and try to make it into a reason to discredit those who blame the homosexual lifestyle is a pathetic and transparent spin, to say the least.
"Homophobe" is a word that is used to denigrate what has become a minority in this country. Some people like to believe that those who reject homosexuality only do so because they secretly fear they are themselves homosexual. Nice try.
Interesting how the only people you can call names and publicly denigrate today are straight WASPs.
On an emotional level, I reject homosexuality. But I think it's because of my age and the way I was raised. I do have some friends who are homosexual, which is proof to myself that my rejection is based on brainwashing, regardless of what I feel.
Maybe in a few more generations no one will care. I think that would be wonderful. I believe in a world without borders of any kind. When one group of adults impose their personal values on another group of adults bad things happen. But that goes for everyone -- gay and straight alike.
Johnny...You have your fact straight and I believe that you are correct. However, HIV was passed to the female and child population via blood transfusions and bisexual activities as well as needle sharing. For me, that makes it a hetero disease. What is important here is not to blame the victim--even patient zero--but to blame the disease and those that INTENTIONALLY inflict it on others. How it got here at this point is somewhat irrelevant, don't you think? It is not as easily transmitted to the female population, but it does happen all of the time. I think needle sharing is a big transmitter. I just hate to hear over and over that the only cure for the victim's stupidity is condoms. That is inaccurate. Thank you for your thoughtful post and for avoiding the name calling and presenting the facts as you see them--It is a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stagnant pool. I respect your correction and your information. Blaming gays is not the answer. Blaming the jerk that did this to both men and women is the solution. My respects.
Johnny and Colorblind: If you've watched any of the documentaries regarding AIDS and HIV which present themselves as a "History of Development" you will find that the HIV virus has been around since the '40s and '50s... There were instances of people dying without a discernable cause, and the cadavers were donated to scientific study, when they tested for HIV-after reliable tests were designed-guess what? Yup! HIV was found in the frozen cadavers! They only searched for, and found, a "Patient Zero" when the hospitals of New York were filling up with young gay men with Karposi's Sarcoma and other "opportunistic infections" like pneumonia. Like I said, "A" patient zero...not "The" patient zero--this stuff has actually been around for a long time waiting for its critical mass.
From my understanding HIV is a man-made disease, first experimented on individuals in Africa and has since then spiraled out of control.
I remember back in the early '80s many people were dropping dead from pneumonia, and HIV and AIDS was claimed to be the cause shortly thereafter. It was said (at first) it was a gay disease, particularly spread by homosexual and bi-sexual men, because it was mostly gay men dying of the disease and later on women from bi-sexual men, and drug users that shared needles, etc. Nonetheless HIV goes back much earlier than the 1980s.
Whatever the case may be nowadays it's wise to use protection during sexual intercourse, especially with strangers, but even this does not guarantee immunity against the disease.
There are many people who contacted the disease and are angry and don't care about spreading it to others.
AnnForTruth01
Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit? Yes there are a small group who still support the polio vaccine origins but they are in the minority not the main stream. While the polio vaccine gives a nod to the fact SIV was the source it ignores the fact that HIV has been traced back to deaths much earlier than when Sulk and company created the vaccine.
trust,
Reread my statement. I wrote "from my understanding..." and not "from my accuracy' first and foremost. Secondly, scientists, doctors, and professional alike know how this virus affect carriers, how it can develop into AIDS, how people can get infected. I have heard theories, hypothesis, constructs, etc., but I have yet to hear any of them state with any certainty the cause of HIV/AIDS. And if you conduct some research you'll find what I wrote in my initial statement is near accuracy. No need to educate myself. I'm educated already. Thanks for the offer.
Ann
So which is it? You are educated or you are still following the tin hat crowd.
I provided the links to the scientific standings. Nothing man made about HIV unless you count cross species infection and the SIV mutating due to eating infected animals.
Trust...,
I didn't insinuate HIV is a man-made virus. This was the rumor some years ago and unless proven to be true; a rumor is exactly that...a rumor. It was also stated HIV/AIDS was a gay disease, particularly caused by gay men.
I do not know the cause of this virus other than it could develop into AIDS and since research is still being conducted; I take for granted scholars in the science field do not know either.
The bottom line is what this man did is deliberate and evil. On the other hand people should not go around indulging in sexual intercourse with partners they are unfamiliar with or barely know, because this disease is unbiased and no one is immune from it; gay, straight, or bi-sexual.
Ann, I think we're a bit confused about your uncertainty as to what "causes" HIV, and your flip-flopping on whether it is man-made. It is a virus, replicated from another virus genetically identical to it, unless it mutates during the replication process. It doesn't really have a cause, any more than a human has a cause, except that someone reproduced to make a baby human.
It's not CAUSED by gay men; it was initially SPREAD mostly by gay men. It most likely originated as a mutated form of SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus), which causes similar symptoms in apes. Such mutations can occur spontaneously (not man-made), as in avian or swine flu viruses mutating to be able to infect humans as well as birds and pigs.
HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) causes AIDS (Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome). One HIV viral particle is "caused" by other HIV viral particles, all the way back to whenever their common ancestor existed. Pretty much the same as all other viruses, as well as bacteria, mammals, reptiles, fungi, etc.
Thanks Sandy... I come across harsh at times I guess. I try to state facts and it comes across as argumentative. Hope that clears things up with Ann.
No problem. I have the same issue, as I think I've demonstrated.
C O N D O M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To the ppl saying aids has been around since the forties and fifties and its a gay disease..and it was brought here from Africa...that's exactly what the government wants you to think...although the first part may be true..they probably have been bio-engineering HIV since about then...maybe not quite the forties..idk for sure its all classified information..at a very high level security clearance..and not many ppl have the clearance to read about it. and so i must draw the conclusion that although this demented person does deserve some form of punishment for what he has done if found guilty..the government is mostly to blame for developing this horrible disease in the first place...and above all allowing it to spread (intentionally) or not..i don't give a f%@$ if they felt they had to be ahead of the bio warfare game..for future "homeland security" purposes..making diseases to find the cure for them is a terrible act of stupidity..even if Russia or Korea decided to do the same and attack us with one..the chances that we would have already developed the same disease as well as a cure not to mention mass produced the cure to ration to society are absolutely negligible..taxpayer money could have been spent on much better things throughout the years since they began their bio-warfare program....BUT i personally believe the government had another agenda when they made this disease..if not "when" I'm certain their agenda came about shortly afterwards..and i believe the governments agenda is population control. they probably spread it first to gays in the community and to black men..there are no other social groups from the early era that were more hated by ppl in government positions as well as out of government positions...if the government from that time will bold faced lie to you about drugs..and how they instantly make you insane and all this nonsense just to drive away a social group "Mexicans" then where does the buck stop? make no mistake our government is and has been for a long time controlled by scandalous, ruthless, greedy and secretive monsters that don't give a @!$%# about anyone but themselves..they just want what "they" want and will get it..even if it means taking thousands of innocent life's and butchering the original u.s constitution...if all of what I've typed here is true and YOU know at least most of it isn't too far from truth if not right on the money then them government fat cats in charge of this program are probably tickled pink that this guy set them forward a few years by having that much unprotected sex in that time period. and that pisses me off...what the government is doing here has crossed a line..i just hope and pray daily...that America will wake up and take our country back..i await the day the government brings that other foot over the line for all ppl to see and sparks us to realize we don't have to sit back and take our governments lies and deceit and that we can live free..but still have law and order without committing murder. as far as death penalty goes...i say unless there is irrefutable evidence supporting a guilty sentence or plea and the crime was murder then you cannot and should not judge someone using capitol punishment..we cant kill everyone we "THINK" committed a terrible crime because too many innocent ppl will be murdered by the government like what is already happening the evidence must be irrefutable and the full psychological and criminal report must be sound..otherwise were shooting in the dark.
I so agree with you, rest of the world shares that same oppinion, hiv was invented by american goverment on american soil for the same reasons u listed, to control the population and to kill off one.. they wanted africans wiped out.. instead this virus came back to bite them in the ass.. aside from africa this virus is most spread in usa.
i dont blame those people for having unprotected sex, it happends. when u least expect it. everybody thinking it wont happend to me. what are the chances.
i always say it happends to the best of us.. u can be with one partner for 10 or 20 years and think he or she is clean but people lie..@!$%# happends.
people tent to live for the moment.. i feel bad for all the men and women infected with this virus.. if it wasnt for hiv and other deadly viruses and diseases our population would be in gazzilions.
i even think american goverment invented cancers.. they somehow put it in our food, water..animals get it.. your dog get cancer.. why???? i wonder.
I doubt he is picking chicks up in the bar...probably trolling craigs list...bottom feeding is dangerous!
Wait? You can get women from Craigslist?
Ughhh...he's disgusting. Not only would I never hook up with someone online (nothing against anyone who does), but I certainly wouldn't *ever* have sex with someone I met online. I am flabbergasted this guy was able to have sex with anyone but himself...he's just that gross.
Anyone, men or women, should be using protection until you are as certain as you can be that you are in a monogamous relationship, even then, there are still risks because people stray. Your life is worth way more than any risky sexual encounter.
Death penalty all the way for this slob.
He is a power and control predator. They usually want to get the last word in by committing suicide. Not such a bad deal IMHO.
Yep. You don't remember a few years ago a man met with a woman advertised on Craigslist and end up murdering her? He contacted her from the Adult section. I believe she offered massages. I'm unsure if this type advertisement is still be conducted.
"erotic services section"??? Craigslist is a pimp??
lets see how bad remarks i get for saying i blame all of his partners for being stupid and not requiring condoms. and yes i know you can get infected other ways.
another win for human stupidity that says, its all their fault and not mine.
In my brief foray into the dating scene after my divorce, not a single partner asked that I use a condom. In fact, with a few, I had to actually insist on using one.
good luck trying to get a man use a condom.
Your post indicates you had multiple partners in a short time[with a few] that IS the epitome of risky behavior,despite your personal 'safetyy guard"
sadd & who knows how many he impregnated..more burden for Our Welfare/ health programs......
sabrina, im a man. I don't know anyone stupid enough to have unprotected sex. I would never...
I always used one. A night of sexual pleasure is not worth risking your life. Just like Radical said, there have been a couple times where I was the one insisting on it.
Blah, if the shoe fits.
Yes this man is a predator but he did not rape anyone therefore each partner is, in part, responsible.
He is not in trouble for sleeping with them. He is in trouble for intentionally failing to disclose his status with the stated intention of infecting others. His victims are not victims because they slept with him. (Not saying they weren't stupid, but that's not illegal... yet.) His victims are victims because he intentionally set out to knowingly cause them harm. He did wrong. What part of this equation do you have trouble with? Or is it just the prudish idea that if a woman sleeps around she's bad and therefore deserves whatever bad things might happen? Give me a break!
you do know condoms are not 100% effective right? and there is more than just insert penis into vagina to get hiv right? its amazing how dumb we are a species that we have no understanding of whats around us.
@Sabina true that...men willing to wear condoms every single time are the exception, not the rule. I had one ex-boyfriend come home flashing a piece of paper proving he had tested negative for all STDs and was thus "clean" and therefore didn't need to wear a condom...I had another ex-boyfriend insist that birth control was the strictly my responsibility since "you're the one that gets pregnant" (though in his defense he did offer to help pay for my pills)...still another informed me that he would "rather cut my d--- off" than wear a condom....and thus the reasons they are all EX boyfriends.
Ladies (and guys who swing the other way) it is time to demand more from our partners: simply put, unless and until you are ready to get pregnant (or are physically unable to do so due to sterilization, etc.) and/or you have both tested negative for all diseases and have pledged to be monogamous, you use a condom every single time, or you get no action. Period. If your partners don't like it, tell them to take a walk. We all deserve to be safe. And we all need to take responsibility for ourselves. No one ever died from lack of sex!
@Sabina
Nothing says you HAVE TO have sex with a man who won't use a condom. Unless you are raped, you still have a choice.
I feel most of the blame lies with the man trying to spread HIV, but unprotected sex is still a risky behavior, and by engaging in it, his partners assumed that risk. We would expect them to bear some responsibility if he didn't know his status, and infected them unwittingly.
SABINA!
Listen to Aunt Jerri. You have the goods, dear. You can get a man to do anything you want him to do. If he refuses, get up and put your clothes on and walk out the door, because there are 10 more where that one came from. Furthermore, it will just cause him to chase you.
Love yourself first or no man will ever love you.
@howitis -- You, go, Girl!
so the man will go to jail and receive free medical. i say we lock him up, isolate him and let him wither away in misery. predator defending trash insert comments below...
I'm with you on that and I recommend doing what Gaddafi did to some of his male prisoners..... Super glue this idiot's penis so that he can't go to the bathroom. That would teach him.
He needs to be put down like an injured racehorse.
What? You mean you don't want to spend millions of dollars on his health care in addition to the millions of dollars in appeals and representation and incarceration?
:-)
Perhaps this POS should be kept alive and used as a test subject to find a cure for HIV AIDS, he could be much more valuable alive than dead. Keep him alive in a cage like the other lab rats and drag him out when needed for testing. ANYTHING to speed up finding a cure.
The records say the hospital determined that Smith is "sexually aroused by causing pain to females."
This creep can't be put away fast enough to suit me. Wonder if he will be isolated in prison since he tests positive?
It's easy to sleep with 1000's when you're willing to do the fatties.
Ugly comment - Larolds
Larolds
You're giving the average American "liberated"
slutwoman too much credit.Right... never hook up.
Larolds and Radical_Centrist - Why is it that I have a feeling that you carry such huge chips on your shoulders in regards to women because you are such losers that no living, breathing woman will touch you with a 30 foot pole?
Because you're stupid scales.
Bright comment, Larolds. How long did it take you to think of that? It doesn't change the fact that no woman in her right mind would ever consider going near you, regardless of whether she is 18 or 80, 100 pounds or 1000.
Scales, it's not my fault that whales are easy, but it's true. Your assumption about my sex life is baseless.
No, assumptions about your sex life are blatantly obvious!
What kind of a woman f*cks a man she met over the internet without making sure he was wearing condoms? I think the men and women he infected also have themselves to blame for their carelessness.
White women.
What's with the racist comment ?
Racist, Black people are worse than racist's of any other color because no other race has been marginalized, negatively characterized, and demonized more than Black people, it is not like being a Jewish person where all you have to do is change your last name to Rivers and die your hair blonde, you can't hide Black. Be the change you want to see, don't perpetuate ignorance. I wonder how Martin Luther King would feel about your comments on White women?
I ment no disrespect to Jewish people, the holocaust is possibly the most horrific chapter in Human history. How did Germans become monsters that threw living women and children in ovens? I'll never understand or buy into any excuse provided for such behavior.
joej;
You don't think that bringing Black People to America for slaves and rape is not as bad. I'm white and think One is just as bad as the other. Check your thinking.
ed : I didn't take part of slavery, you seriously keep blaming current white generation for this ?
Why would some black people keep blaming white people for something they didn't even endure.
This is unfair, any black people insulting white people for whatever stereotype or slavery should be as severely punished as when the opposite happens.
So many unpunished white insults today makes me sick.
BALDMAN, I think you'd be surprised to know just how many women do just that. Check out your local GRAIGSLIST website under CASUAL ENCOUNTERS. Some of them are worth a laugh or two. Then they just get frightening.
Its funny how people conveniently forget that the blacks sold their own people to the whites. They still do it to this day. If there are too many mouths to feed, they will sell off their own neighbors OR children to people.
Quit acting like blacks are the only ones to ever endure slavery. In fact, show me a race that hasn't been made slaves at some point in time or the other. And wikipedia is NOT a valid resource.
I'm sick of this crap.
Thank you CaptBrngDwn, thank you!!!
It's high time someone brought your points to light. I've been saying this for years and it seems my facts fall on deaf ears. My people were enslaved in "1659, forgotten now for sure". Do I sit here complaining about our old masters? Nope. In fact, I plan to visit their country, and they are a people who I hold great respect for.
Get over yourselves. You didn't endure it, your parents didn't endure it. Your ancestors were sold to the slave owners, BY your other ancestors. Move on!!!
Nice Tobacco Island reference. Ah Cromwell... let's not get start on that bastard.
Sorry Lady! lmao. You are prowling YAHOO for gettin' laid? I think YOU were probably already infected!!!
People think the human race is the most evolved species on the planet, beg to differ.
"Do not commit adultery": this is one of the Ten Commandments and it has the reason to which it tries to save people; or the plague, such as HIV AIDS, may become the by-product.
Where in the article does it say any of the partners were married?
sex outside of marriage is considered adultery
Nothing wrong with being a little more discerning when you consider who you are going to have sex with. Only having sex with someone with whom you are in a committed relationship will help avoid these situations.
I am with you Billie, no body seems believes in the Bible anymore these days because they think it is outdated and old fashion. God intended sex within marriage between one man and one woman and not multiple man and multiple woman. We are reaping what we sowed and wonder why there is so much sexualy transmitted disease in this world. I know people will get down on me for this and it doesn't matter because people will do what they want to do anyway and suffer the consequences later. But what gets me is that they expect us to pay for their life style once they come down with some sort of disease.
annie-2115201 wrote: Only having sex with someone with whom you are in a committed relationship will help avoid these situations.
Unless your committed partner/spouse is not as committed to the relationship as you think they are.
Tar...Right...and, may I add, that you are having sex with every person that person had sex with for the last 10 years. In answer to the Blah, the same woman that hears a man say that he is allergic to condoms or has a rigged condom or shows you a fake HIV test etc. There are all kinds of excuses that a man can make and be believed because someone is looking for love in the wrong place. Their error will cost them dearly. Why isn't that enough for you? You have to call them stupid and denigrate their character in order to make yourself somehow seem superior? That is too bad.
@Billie and TXKitkat,
If you are going to use biblical references, at least be correct. Adultery is defined as a married person having sex outside the marriage.
It does not mention in the article that the suspect is married, nor does it say how many people he engaged in consensual sex with were married either.
So you two are jumping to conclusions without a shred of evidence.
Yeah if we followed everything in the bible it would all be better. NOT Remember Job
Or many other things in the bible that we would be furious about if a person held another to account for. Not to mention the flip flop nature of it all. Eye for an eye oh wait turn the other cheek.
Animal sacrifices would have PETA all up in arms. That book as a reference is outdated by more than a century.
Yeah this freak spreading AIDS/HIV is a sick bastard. And some of his prey may be just as sick. But since when does a loving and caring GOD turn away from sick people. Glad I am human I say take him out to the desert and wrap some sinew around it and let the sun castrate the freak. Then we can blame the sun gods.
The bible is fiction, @!$%#ing is awesome.
from the looks of him, 99.9% of his sex partners were men
Henry - I think you made a good estimate.
Joyce is just jealous she missed her time with him - thus her myriad of anti-gay comments
mt...That was totally uncalled for. They weren't even able to isolate the HIV virus in blood until after 1992. Then, they could isolate Hep C so decided that they would eliminate Hep C from the blood supply because the two are often found together until later when they could finally eliminate HIV as well. There were a lot of heterosexuals that were infected and did not know it for many years--and they passed it on to their partners. So, let's blame them as well...What a bunch of insensitive morons. The real culprit here is the man that enjoyed giving a partner an incurable disease. Bad judgment does not deserve a death sentence or a life of expensive drugs and without sex. Go to hell.
Actually, it was 1985 when they were able to begin screening for HIV in the blood supply. Since then, there has been basically no risk of receiving it in blood or blood products.
no risk huh? wanna rethink that? there has been numerous cases where people were infected through blood transfusion and other hospital fk-ups. not just hiv but also hep and other crap they forgot to catch so please there is always a risk involved.
Infected blood has an incubation period where it will test negative, so while the risk is very low, it is not zero.
anti game comments
typical
this is the internet after all
im pretty sure a gay person can dislogde your jaw quicker then a straight person
janell...You are quite correct. If the viral load is very, very low, it may not be screened out in rare cases. Nothing is 100% as you point out. AIDS is a world wide disease now....It is attempted murder to infect anyone with this disease and, at least, assault to infect a person knowingly with Herpes. Hep C has become more of a death sentence--although it usually takes longer--than many other diseases and needle sharing is the number one cause of transmission. Giving someone Hep C is akin to murder as well.
Music Girl...You are wrong. They were not able to detect HIV in the blood supply until 1995; three years after they were able to detect Hep C. In 1985 the CDC recognized that there was a disease process out there, but they spent a great deal of time and politics before they agreed on what it was...You should watch "And the Band Played On". It is the story of the AIDS virus and its history and it was done very well. It was first discovered by researchers in France and someone else came up with it shortly thereafter and stole the credit.
@Colorblind . . . I watched that movie over and over again. It was an outstanding film about the origin of the disease. Posters should view this film and then come back for a discussion. Then some of them would have would . . . maybe not, this is the internet. : )
Condoms people! Regardless of who it is with. If you aren't in a trusting monogamous relationship, protect yourself!
Sex is great and fun, and can be between two people just because they want to, but use some sense. If your male partner refuses your request to wear a condom, then he isn't worth your time.
What exactly does a "trusting monogamous" relationship look like? How can you be sure that is what it is. BTW...Many HIV victims got it from sharing needles--med as well as women...How are you going to blame that on the woman? How do you know your trusting relationship is one sided until you receive evidence to the contrary...Oh, yes...I happens.
I am in one actually, sorry that you have never experience one to understand.
I was not blaming anything on the woman, it is technically both partners fault for not being safe. Unfortunately this time the man had a motive and preyed on people who did not insist on that step. I don't have a clue why the needle argument has anything to do with this, if someone got HIV from sharing needles, condoms would be a protection against that in a sexual situation. If a woman insists on her partner not wearing a condom then the man needs to take the initiative and be responsible.
Use condoms and don't do something idiotic like use illegal drugs. With those simple steps both men and women can be protected and we can put an end to this epidemic.
Dark...You assume too much about me. I believe that I have experienced a monogamous relationship for 31 years---Until, I find evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe. Do you think that it was news to Maria Shriver that her husband had a child by another woman while she was pregnant with their son? I do. Remember, in the news yesterday, about the Italian man that is divorcing his wife after 72 years of marriage because he discovered some love letters from over 40 years ago? I bet he thought he was in a monogamous marriage as well. You never know until you know....So don't make assumptions about people based on this vine. It is insulting...as, of course, you intended.
You can be in a trusting monogamus relationship and still get lied to and cheated on. Now, once you find out, you learn that someone broke the trust. But until you do, you think that everything is fine. A monogamus relationship means nothing, since you are never 100% sure that your partner is being honest. Men on the DL (down low) will never let you know what they are doing. Most cheaters, men and women, don't leave their relationship for the booty calls or the one night stands. So you can have a partner that believes that the relationship is monogamus until they find out otherwise.
I bet a few people on this thread can testify to learning about the other man/woman when they thought they were in a monogamus relationship :P
I don't know which is sicker...this scumbag...or the people who actually had sex with this piece of work.
How incredibly selfish and cruel to do that to so many innocent people. Like a jealous child who didn't get the toy he wanted for Christmas so he ran around and ruined everyone elses because "if I am not happy then no one gets to be."
It's that pissiness,most recently and famously exhibited by manning reeasing info to assaunge
I think we should use this sicko to test the most dangerous HIV drugs. If he doesn't die he might help find a cure.
He's crazy.But when you wonder why aids is"everyones" disease he's it.Bisexual,the bridge betwwen homosexual and heterosexual.Let's not leave out junkies and transfusion as sources of transmission.The source sprang from,bleaauugh,homosexual sex/gays.Truth hurts RU MAD?
He is not crazy by any legal definition of the word. He doesn't get a pass because he is "crazy." He is just plain ole evil and mean. He is a sadistic killer that gets sexual pleasure from inflicting pain on his victims.
Condoms? Use 'em people!
Domestic terrorism ?
I hope a cure for AIDS is discovered soon and witheld from this wiggler so he can rot slowly from the inside and has an eternity to reflect on his ways.
LOL, you're $hittin us, right? Dick (Cheney) is that you?
Domestic terrorism!!! Lord have mercy on this country!! You people are paranoid!
I thought the same thing. Yet some of what I like to call the bubble people. Would think a swarm of bees being set free, was domestic terrorism. Oh wait that's what beekeepers do to pollinate our crops. LMAO
Think Timothy McVeigh
and
terrorism - the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce
A bottom feeder none the less.
semantics perhaps
Lock this guy up and give hime the tools commit suicide
"because he was "suicidal" and had tried to kill himself at least once."
Why the suicide watch? Just let him do it.
One of the prison guards should leave 25 feet of rope in his cell by mistake.
The pisture and the info indicatee a,scientifically"really,really gay guy",with a side of penis anger
how DARE you demand my tax dollars be used for something other than housing such criminals??
Joyce 25 feet costs to much 8 feet would do the job.
Lock him away in solitary confinement for life so that he does not affect another person as long as he lives. Death penalty is too easy off for him, let him suffer alone miserably until he dies. Unfortunately, the dummies that he infected will probably be infecting others and then again.....
How come I can not find anybody to do it with.
You are probably looking in all the wrong places. Ask this subhuman piece of garbage where he found them all. I'm gonna bet it wasn't at the library.
Because your Harry woman want metro sexual men now you gotta shave bro. Joking maybe call yourself some other name?
I love reading all these comments. It's better than reading the story.
We live in 2012 not in the 700th there is Law and du Process must follow- Justice cant be served by summary judgement or summary execution- the Law must be followed-as simple as it is-sorry to offend others feelings
@Harry-2146793: you're probably not getting any for the same reason I'm not--you still have some standards, lol.
@Harry - you CAN"T choose who you want, you have to take what is available. Problem solved
Fry his a$$. But women please don't have sex with these creeps.