Devildogs. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? We're better than this.

Way to go, you dumb@sses.

It's morons like this that shame the reputations of the other 99% of the people within the armed forces that work hard and are professionals. The fallout from this is going to steamroll.

And for all you tough-talking internet cowboys that I foresee cheering this on, you just don't get it, so I'm not even going to bother to explain to you what's wrong with this.

Its about honor! Career military folks know its your duty to represent your branch well even if there is no camera. Even if no one will ever see you have to do the right thing. Be it in the treatment of innocent civilians or enemy combatants. The fact that this is now on tape will now help fuel the enemy propaganda machine.

So Military Professionals are only supposed to maim, wound, kill, destroy live bodies; dead enemy bodies somehow have to be respected, there is a logical contradiction here somewhere. F'em, they dead already, morality in combat is all topsy turvy anyway. Just don't video and post, so someone can call you out. They are still heroes to me because they did their job, who am I to make judgment?

It's morons like this that shame the reputations of the other 99% of the people within the armed forces that work hard and are professionals.

These people don't just destroy reputations - they destroy lives.

The entire Muslim world will be inflamed (again) by this b.s. Our military deserves better. They'll take the heat. These guys are already home.

Shame.

That's disgusting urinating in public view.

Some of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill ... was it in bad judgement? ... probably. Is it the end of the world? ... probably not.

I think it's funny actually and considering what some of the enemy do to our soldiers while they are still alive, I think it's a justified stress reliever ... and bladder reliever too, but that's just my take on it.

Semper Stupus.

By the way, how is that "investigation" into the murderers of Ghadafi going? Beat and execute a POW then parade his corpse around on the hood of the truck ... but urinate on the dead body of someone who would kill you given the chance, OMG.

JRP - agreed. When I saw this article my first thought was "So what?"

War isn't pretty folks.

David---Last time this happened during the Iraq mission, we payed dearly for it in lost lives. Are you not aware of the consequences. It's not f--king funny

Hey Bird - stuff the jokes.

These clowns ARE NOT acting appropriately as Marines - period.

They must be appropriately punished. Marines DO NOT desecrate or disrespect the dead PERIOD.

Those of you commenting that can somehow justify or excuse this conduct never served.

I think it's funny actually

Are you a veteran, David?

Because I am, and I see no humor in this at all. Mark my words, some American(s) will die over this. Yahoos find it easy to be 'brave' on the keyboard, but never seem to be able to get it up for the real thing.

INvestigating - waste of time and money. One more useless investigation into what happened during a WAR - people lost lives, IEDs took limbs and PTSD is just starting to show us the consequences of this war. Never should have gone but can't discredit the young men and women who went when you didn't go and witness the war, death, and sacrifice your family time.

FormerMarineSgt I second that.

People just don't seem to realize that even though warriors fight each other and kill each other, they still respect each other as warriors.

What movies you guys been watching......you sure haven't been in any of the three conflicts I had to go to. Of all the bizare things I have witnessed this is the least problematic. Come back to reality, its a war zone not the Marine Corps Ball.

I’m not saying what our boys did was right. I do however question why this story is even news. Is it just to make our troops look bad? I could accept this kind of reporting if they also reported on how the Taliban treat our people. These young guys have no doubt witnessed many Taliban atrocities and acted out as young men will. This doesn’t make them bad Marines it just means they had a momentary lapse of good judgment...... We should never judge a situation or picture without knowing ALL the facts.

Not that I am at all defending what these Marines did, but why is it we only hear from CAIR when something like this happens to an Arab. When Muslims drag the beheaded body of an American soldier through the street they are completely silent. If they want to pretend to take the moral high ground, they need to do it all the time. They need to call out their own when they do disgusting, disgraceful things as well as make comments when it is done to them. They can't have it both ways. I wonder if they ever stop to think that maybe this is in retaliation for what their Muslim brothers do to the bodies of American soldiers. If they are not willing to condemn these acts regardless of who perpetrates them, then they should just shut the hell up and go away.

When will they ever learn? NEVER put it on camera.

In a formal statment, a Marine Corps official said: "The actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps.

Piss on you and your diplomacy! Who ever wrote that has never been in combat and isn't equal to a pimple on a combat Marine's a**. My uncle pissed on the dead Japs in Peleliu and Okinawa, I pissed on the dead Viet Cong and NVA and we are not the only ones. In fact this action is very consistent with combat Marines. Semper Fi!

You people don't get it, war is hell and our soldiers through out history have participated in far worse. This is nothing more than the color of war, its what really happens and I'm surprised you haven't seen a ton more of things far worse, Like ears from the Vietnam era, remember that? You should think about these things before you send 20 year olds into a war zone where their buddies get killed by primeval people. The Japanese did it to the Chinese, The Chinese did to the Nepalese, The Germans did to the Jews and the Russians did it to the Germans. You people need to get outside of the 12 inch box that surrounds your heads. It's war, not day camp.....

They didn't bind their enemy's hands and legs and then behead them while alive on video.

What they did was a stupid thing to do with the camera running.

Oh Yea, you can blow their heads off but you can't piss on them. Give me a break, you double standard wimps. I have no problem with pissing on the enemy !!!

Hey Retired Physicist, Stop with the "WE are gonna make them mad" hand wringing drivel! These boys see their friends blown up , decapitated, etc..

Much to do about nothing. So they p!ssed an the dead bodies of some criminal gang members. You want to be treated like soldiers then put on a uniform and stop cowering and hiding behind your countrywoman's burquas and stand and fight. You want to be treated like soldiers stop the oppression the civilians. Stop forcing them to grow your poppies and raping their daughters when we destroy the crops. You want to be treated like soldiers stop blowing up schools. You want to be treated like soldiers stop the drug dealing. You want to be treated like soldiers stop the religious oppression. You want to be treated like soldiers stop cutting the heads off your prisoners. etc etc etc

JS in SD (and Devil's Son) are absolutely right. We should start apologizing for what our guys do only after THEY start apologizing for what THEIR guys do. If they don't, F-ck them all!

@ Jeffery f
War is not excuse for immorality. If the United States wants to be respected abroad we must act respectfully. Just because people do such acts does not make it OK.

pjam09

It wasn't our Marines who killed Ghadafi; it was his own people. But I don't think for a second that they will be identified, much less punished.

Why this was filmed is beyond me. Why it ever made the news is also beyond me. Why they did something they had to know was punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice is also beyond me. Once those Marines are identified, they will be held accountable under the UCMJ, and it won't be pretty. Our troops should be not be lowering their standards to that of the enemy.

Satanick, I suggest you go join the military if they would take you and then speak from experience. This Vietnam Vet does not condone this, but war is hell and can produce actions from those living in that hell that you probably could not understand unless you've been there and done that. I expect hell in your satanic mind is nothing like the reality of the hell of war.

Hmmm... Well, one thing for sure - peeing on a corpse is not the same as beheading and genital mutilation. It is my understanding that dead U.S. troops have experienced terrible atrocities, but it is being kept quiet. They could have poured pig's blood instead of dispensing pee. That would have made it even more special. Problem is, there are very few pigs in Afghanistan. The Muslim enemy do not use a level playing field.

Morality and character is universal... Can't believe the idiots who believe that it is okay under any circumstance. It is no different than saying that it is okay for people who do not like you to piss on your wife or husbands or children's corpse....

What a bunch of idiotic argument!!!

turd, you speak like a politician sitting on his plush chair in the posh and comfy cofines of D.C. and sends our young to battle with orders that prevent our troops from winning those wars while our enemy operates under no rules whatsoever. Our politicians are the reason we have not accomplished the missions since the Korean War. I don't condone the actions of these Marines, but I certainly understand them. President Obama, who I regretfully voted for would be the last Commander In Chief I would want to serve under in the event of war. He is the perfect example of someone with no idea whatsoever what that experience is like. How about you?

So it is just ok to stoop to their level because it is an extremely difficult and trying circumstance? Are you willing to become what the enemy represents or do you want to be something more?

This is a piss-poor excuse for peace in the Mental East.

Physicist-retired,

While most of us do not condone what they did...

Your PC dribble and POLITICAL BS, IMO - is worse...

Semper Fi

To the Muslim civil rights union, did you hear of a little incident in a place called Haditha? Yeah, innocent people were murdered in that incident, so what makes you think anything is going to happen to these four @$$ holes?

Satanick, I would like to be able to set our troops loose to do what needs to be done and in the process, accomplish the objective. The political cowardice that this country's leaders have succumbed to has not only produced a new generation of entitled pompous know it alls, but has put constraints on our troops that put them at a disadvantage before they even head out on patrol. Like I said, I don't condone it, but I can understand it. Go experience for yourself, or would that be too much discomfort for you?

brilliant psyhological warfare:

So some good Marines pissed on the bodies of people who were trying to kill them a short while before- I'd like to send them a keg of beer.

America, grow a pair of balls already! Its been 10 years now that we've had our men out to kill terrorists and you still get go all girly when a Marine pisses on the body of his enemy. Muslims will get mad at us? They're already trying to kill us- thats what got them killed..and baptized! Its about time the USMC stops pandering to the candy a$$es who would whine about this and attempt to destroy the lives/careers of some of our loyalest men- and for what? Pissing on the bodies of guys who were trying to kill them 10 minutes before. Get real, Americans. ANd USMC- grow a pair a balls when you have to deal with candy-a$$ed critics and PC types. The only people complaining about the actions of those Marines are our enemies already and you need not respect their opinions any more than you'd accept their battle advice.

Satanick,

Taking a piss on the bodies of the guys who were just trying to kill you isn't even close to stooping to their level of activities. You need to do a serious reality check.

Plus, how dare anyone who calls themselves Satanick criticize the actions of others. Your very nickname shows your acceptance and approval of actions far more heinous than pissing on a dead enemy.

Well why don't we just use nukes to achieve our objects then Lanikai?

@ Merlin
You have no idea the symbolism behind my nick name so do not judge.

Well, it was a dumb-add move to make a video of it, and then to post it on line. But anybody who expects soldiers to react with stoic indifference when viewing the corpses of men who just minutes before were trying to kill them, is expecting a bit much from human nature.

I've never seen armed combat. But I expect that most who experience it spend most of their time suspended between rage and terror, with only the discipline of their military unit to hold them together. You can't expect parlor room manners in such an environment.

So, the media will run with this for a few weeks, and then forget, which is right and proper. This is not a case of soldiers killing civilians, or mistreating prisoners. They urinated on dead enemy soldiers, which doesn't strike me as that egregious an offense.

Satanick says: "Well why don't we just use nukes to achieve our objects then Lanikai?"

Sounds like a great plan. We need to make sure that Ground Zero is that rock in Mecca.

No war has ever been won, and no war can ever be won, without first demonizing the enemy. In remembrance of the 9-11 attack, we need to do things that would make Vlad the Impaler blush.

Who is the only Presidential Candidate running on the platform to end these senseless wars? Please ask yourself who this person is and find out what he stands for. Our constituion is hanging by thread and once its gone, don't say you havent been warned.

And don't forget to thank MSNBC for putting a bullseye on our troops!

Why do we even show crap like this? To add fuel to the fire? Does anyone relize war torn vets are just a shell of what they used to be.I could care less what they do over there. Thats there job. Our job is to try and have some understanding and compasion for the ones that has problems as a result of the wars. I leave it at this. Bush Jr you are the biggest POS that ever was president. You Bush killed Americans as well for no good reason. The threat of WMD was a cooked up plan. And our men and women did there jobs and will pay the price for the rest of there lives. Soo hows retirement on the ranch?

No one needs to see this garbage, it only shows that our military have no respect for themselves or anyone else. Like it or not those we are in conflict with are still HUMAN.

If you have no respect for America or for Humanity as a whole don't join the American military, or any form of "law/civil servant".

And don't forget to thank MSNBC for putting a bullseye on our troops!

Tim from SeatleDays - The video of these soldiers actions is out on u-tube. MSNBC did not take the video or place it on the internet; that could only have been done by these soldiers or their friends.

All MSNBC has done is report the obvious news story. For creating the controversy, look at the man (or woman) behind the video camera, and at whomever posted it.

Lanikai & Merlin, 2 fine example of why people out of our country hates us and why we have bigotry within our own country and why neighbors sue neighbor and why relatives kill other family members.

What is amazing you you Lanikai whine about President Obama when he has not even pissed on you. If you thnk growing balls is about pissing on your enemy, then why don't we simply put our athelets into a Colosum and let them have at it, and winner is the last person standing. Come to think of it, since you love it so much, I nominate you two... Winner moves on to next stage!

You fools have zero idea that these images and what these idiots did causes death to our soldiers and our NATO soldiers in the near future. Every injury and death is on their shoulder and your jackass approvals (cheering on). Idiotic comments coming from the Vine is expected, but from the Marine commander is even worse!!!!

Who is the MARINE idiot that commented that it is idiotic or stupid to have filmed the action???? INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT THE ACTION OF URINATING ON THE CORPSE OF ENEMY IS STUPID!!!! YOU IDIOT HAVE JUST NOW JUSTIFIED THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA TO DEFACE AND TO DEMEAN OUR SOLDIERS WHO ARE INJURED OR DEAD. YOU IDIOTS!!!!

Lanikai Ron: One thing I find funny is that you actually think that people are so stupid that they will believe everything you write or confesses... LOL.

You wrote in 2009 in reply to an article in regards to Birthers' in Hawaii “Sounds like the usual Democrats harrassing Republicans in Hawaii to me. Unlike this \” In another words, you're a BIRTHER. Of the birthers polled, 0%, has voted for President Obama during the election. The poll has a plus-minus of 3%. So why are you even trying to tell readers and Viners that you voted for President Obama in the past Presidential election. It is also interesting that you started anti-Obama posting about the same time as the Tea Party formed... hahahaha, you actually think you're a leader of the Children of the Corn, a false demigod, hahahahaha...

Again, it is disrespectful to lie or to think that others like us are so stupid that we would not catch you in your deceit.... SHAME ON YOU.

well, proud, because it's okay for Muslim animals to decapitate, burn and then hang our civilian contractors' bodies off a bridge but not okay for us to do anything but worship their dead. I guess we should just be glad its them dead and not our brave Marines.....

Is anyone else still upset that we aren't being allowed to see proof that Osama bin Laden is dead either??? why on earth did we feel the need to show him respect after death? he atomized over 1000 of our good people where we could never find their entire bodies, and in a couple hundred cases, scarcely a bone fragment. If I had that picture it would be on my desktop right next to the matador being gored through the mouth by his intended victim...art in its purest form

Amen Adela!

Because anyone who represents this country (especially overseas) has a duty to do so with class, professionalism and maturity, none of which were displayed here. This is the behavior one would expect from an animal, not from an American Soldier.

How completely clueless of you.

Disagree that Company is clueless. We're taught as Marines to conduct ourselves with professionalism AT ALL TIMES. These Marines are not representing the Corps with honor in doing this. This act is despicable, and these Marines should be punished as such.

And this is a bad thing because ... ???

What was your MOS Karaoke? Because hell yes we were taught to be killers, indiscriminately sometimes based on the ROEs. We were taught to be destroyers....Marines, no better friend, no worse enemy.

In Fallujah we were asked to merciful by the Iraqi government until a few Iraqis calling for help from our corpsman rolled a grenade out while they were doubled over in feigned desperation.

We were taught to be chivalrous until two women screamed for help from a balcony and as we hurried up the stairs two grenades came rolling down.

You have very little backstory here my friend and I guarantee if these Marines lost a friend due to the actions of those getting urinated on, I certainly think that it justifies a slap on the wrist.

Thanks for the post Mitchell Grant. We'll be sure to extend you the same courtesy of defecating on your dead corpse when the time comes.

@ Karaoke Jesus:

I couldn't care less if they turn me into Soylent Green when I'm dead, poindexter.

Still didn't answer the question Karaoke... What was your MOS? Please don't tell me you are one of the many who pretend to be one of the few and proud. Or where you a peacetime soldier boy. Where you would have no idea what the real men go through so what they urinated on them. They have no respect for those who had no respect for them. They killed them and then they dishonored their remains. Not saying it's right, but I don't blame them either.

Because, twit, everybody was once somebody's infant, and loved, clean of mind; and because, twit, all of us end up equally dead and eventually forgotten. So does it matter what we do while we live? Yes it does if you want to look in the mirror in your waning days and want to be able to say, I did less harm than good.

You are correct riley. There is very little back story. But, that does not justify the act of uriniating on a dead enemy combatant, taking a video of said act, and posting the video on youtube. We don't do that, we aren't taught to do that, and (I'm assuming you are also a Marine) we also know the repercussions of doing such things. You can't expect that these young devildogs would do such a thing and think there wouldn't be backlash.

FYI, I was in Fallujiah. I was in Ramadi. I was in Habbaniyah. MOS 0369 -> 0313 Alpha Co. 1St LARBN. I KNOW what we experienced there

Adela, this sinks us to their level. We are supposed to be better than our enemy.

If we treat people as poorly as they do, then people are justified in attacking us.

@ John-2828835:

You are judging others by your own criteria, based on emotion and compassion.

Both are vices, not virtues.

Mitchell and Riley:

What exactly are you saying? Let it be known that I respect both your service and opinion but I can't agree with letting the actions of these men slide because the enemy chooses to fight without any sense of valor or honor. There is a reason most veterans (that I have spoken to as well as on this forum) detest these actions and want them to be reprimanded. If we choose to not uphold any sense of principle, than what is the point of fighting in the first place?

Still didn't answer the question Karaoke... What was your MOS? Please don't tell me you are one of the many who pretend to be one of the few and proud. Or where you a peacetime soldier boy. Where you would have no idea what the real men go through so what they urinated on them. They have no respect for those who had no respect for them. They killed them and then they dishonored their remains. Not saying it's right, but I don't blame them either.

Is this necessary? You're calling my earning the title into question because I disagree with your opinion? Unfortunately, its over the internet and there isn't really anything I can do about it. That being said, what were you taught as a Marine? Honor, courage and commitment. You're taught above all else to NEVER disrespect the Corps. Yes, these Marines may have lost friends. I have, and you most likely have as well. What makes us above all else elite is that we are also men of conscious. And this act is in itself despicable and should not be tolerated. I can guarantee you that is isn't going to be. I guess its better to be a mosquito wing than dead, correct?

And this act is in itself despicable and should not be tolerated.

I don't think it was so bad, all things considered.

To the guy who thinks it will enrage Muslims - I thought these were insurgents and not Muslims. You want it both ways. Should the Muslims not be offended at the insurgents for promoting violence? After all, Islam is a peaceful religion. The extremist cannot be counted as Muslim.

All of you Marines who spoke harshly of your fellow Marines should be ashamed of yourselves. I never have too many nice things to say about Marines, but by God, you should not disparage a fellow Marine. I may disparage a fellow paratrooper to his face, but I take up for him in public.

Pissing on the enemy is a moral conquest of the enemy. Let them get mad and come and get these guys so these Marines can kill them too. You people need to understand what war means. It means killing the enemy and not being nice to them. If we have to be polite, let's not start something. And before you Bush bashers step in, the war was voted on and authorized by Congress, so save me your tears.

Way to go Marines, kill some more and piss on them too. (Never thought I would be taking up for a jarhead.)

Airborne!!

I don't think it was so bad, all things considered.

No disrespect intended, but I can see how you can't. At the very basic level, it isn't. But, we as Marines, hold ourselves to an extremely high standard, and this lowers the bar.

No disrespect intended, but I can see how you can't. At the very basic level, it isn't. But, we as Marines, hold ourselves to an extremely high standard, and this lowers the bar.

I hear you, I would just hate to see some soldiers careers ruined because of politics, etc...

Adela-884556

well, proud, because it's okay for Muslim animals to decapitate, burn and then hang our civilian contractors' bodies off a bridge but not okay for us to do anything but worship their dead. I guess we should just be glad its them dead and not our brave Marines.....

Is anyone else still upset that we aren't being allowed to see proof that Osama bin Laden is dead either??? why on earth did we feel the need to show him respect after death? he atomized over 1000 of our good people where we could never find their entire bodies, and in a couple hundred cases, scarcely a bone fragment. If I had that picture it would be on my desktop right next to the matador being gored through the mouth by his intended victim...art in its purest form

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Are you real?

MARINES are a step above your average 'idiot'. We are taught that this type of behavior is flat out wrong. We are taught that Marines have superior behavior without exception.

MARINES are taught that we treat the enemy prisoners or dead better than they treat ours because otherwise we are no better than the low life scums that they presume to be.

If you can't handle that - go to some third world country where life is cheap and the military has no standards of behavior.

because it's okay for Muslim animals to decapitate, burn and then hang our civilian contractors' bodies off a bridge but not okay for us

Yes, because if actions like that make Muslims animals, then when US Marines do the same kind of crap, it makes those Marines animals, too. We're supposed to be better than the enemy, not stoop to their level.

Good job, Karaoke! HOO-RAH!

David-717708

No disrespect intended, but I can see how you can't. At the very basic level, it isn't. But, we as Marines, hold ourselves to an extremely high standard, and this lowers the bar.

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I hear you, I would just hate to see some soldiers careers ruined because of politics, etc...

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It's not politics dipwad. It's a little thing called Marine Corps Honor. It's a part of being a Marine. You DO NOT violate the code of honor - period. These clowns did.

They violated the Marine Code of Honor AND the UCMJ. They need to pay the price for desicrating enemy bodies.

riley-1759556

Your comments are indeed true. Such a difference between combat and peace time marines. Combat is brutal. I was in STA myself.

flbikerchick

because it's okay for Muslim animals to decapitate, burn and then hang our civilian contractors' bodies off a bridge but not okay for us

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Yes, because if actions like that make Muslims animals, then when US Marines do the same kind of crap, it makes those Marines animals, too. We're supposed to be better than the enemy, not stoop to their level.

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Thank you flbikerchick.

I'm glad someone understands what being an American and being a Marine means. Some of these folks on here embarass me that they are Americans as they demand to be as stupid and barbaric as the enemy. They ignore that an eye for an eye only results in the entire world going blind.

Being an American means we don't stoop to the level of our enemies.

Being a Marine means you subscribe to a higher code of honor than your average American. Your behavior, your decisions, your personal code revolve around the higher code of honor that makes you a Marine.

Oh - we step up and win the wars and fight the necessary fights. There's no doubt there. However when we do it - we stick to American values - not to the values of third world dictatorships where anything is fair game.

Even 30 years after my time - I still hold myself to that higher level of honor.

These clowns sullied the name and honor of ALL Marines.

To the guy who thinks it will enrage Muslims - I thought these were insurgents and not Muslims. You want it both ways. Should the Muslims not be offended at the insurgents for promoting violence? After all, Islam is a peaceful religion. The extremist cannot be counted as Muslim.

All of you Marines who spoke harshly of your fellow Marines should be ashamed of yourselves. I never have too many nice things to say about Marines, but by God, you should not disparage a fellow Marine. I may disparage a fellow paratrooper to his face, but I take up for him in public.

Pissing on the enemy is a moral conquest of the enemy. Let them get mad and come and get these guys so these Marines can kill them too. You people need to understand what war means. It means killing the enemy and not being nice to them. If we have to be polite, let's not start something. And before you Bush bashers step in, the war was voted on and authorized by Congress, so save me your tears.

Way to go Marines, kill some more and piss on them too. (Never thought I would be taking up for a jarhead.)

Airborne!!

We should be ashamed of ourselves for policing our own? That is the one aspect of Marines that makes us better.

P.S., thanks for your service, even if it was in the Army. Not everybody can be perfect

FormerMarineSgt:

Trust me, this will get real political, real soon. I understand what you are saying, I'm just saying that I personally don't see it as all that bad, all things considered.

We used to leave our patch on the dead enemy - we wanted them to fear us. They need to know they are going to die if they come up against us or a Marine. These guys were doing nothing less.

and don't be condescending to me about my service. I don't need your thanks. Kill the enemy is the mission. If you want preachers, send in the preachers. If you want to kill the enemy, send in soldier. What a bunch of babies, you make me sick.

Trust me, this will get real political, real soon. I understand what you are saying, I'm just saying that I personally don't see it as all that bad, all things considered.

Thanks for expressing your opinion with class. I mean that.

We used to leave our patch on the dead enemy - we wanted them to fear us. They need to know they are going to die if they come up against us or a Marine. These guys were doing nothing less.

and don't be condescending to me about my service. I don't need your thanks. Kill the enemy is the mission. If you want preachers, send in the preachers. If you want to kill the enemy, send in soldier. What a bunch of babies, you make me sick.

There's the difference. You had to leave a patch for the enemy to fear you. The enemy already knows the name Marine, we don't have to leave calling cards.

but we stooped to their level when we tortured them.

101st vet......I saw a bunch of your LRRP guys, great bunch of men. I saw them fly in one day with a dead viet hanging under a UH1 tied by his ankle with a purple smoke grenade taped to the free ankle. I was told by the rumor control that they popped him on an ambush and this purple smoke deal was the 101st way of signalling an enemy kill. Any intell on that one????

Anyhow...great bunch of guys, I would patrol with them anyday. Ohhh Rahhhh.

Whose sense of purpose is greater? Each is a foe of one another, but when they are dead they are the same, a pile of blood, guts, and bones.

Even though the US marines have duties that put them in the same catagory with guerilla offensives, they still should have the same respect for the fellow man when he falls. They fought bravely for their own conviction. Is no greater sense of purpose for a soldier?

These are combat fatigued young lads, that have seen a @!$%# load more than probably anyone sharing their hateful and rediculous comments on this matter. They should be punished, but in a civil manner, not an equal manner in which the "supportive" masses that are commenting, would see fit for their enemies.

Two sayings for all of you "media" fired haters:

Let those who have not sinned, cast the first stone.

War will make corpses of us all.

No need to wonder why we're so beloved around the world! Not only is it unjustifiable it's despicable and a violation of International Law. They are an embarassment to humanity and our country. We will never know how many innocent Americans will die because of this display of utter stupidity!

^ Exactly. If we want to be respected on the world stage we must conduct ourselves with respect. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Mitchell Grant

You said "You are judging others by your own criteria, based on emotion and compassion. Both are vices, not virtues."

Yeah, you can spout all the bravado you want on a newsvine post. But I'm confident in the judgement you won't have the temerity to tell God that compassion is a vice. No, you'll hang your head and accept your damnation without uttering a word. That's guaranteed.

And go ahead and fire back. My point of view doesn't matter.

And that is EXACTLY what the dead men would have done to the Marines if their roles were reversed! The only thing those Marines did wrong was to post it to YouTube so all the bleeding heart liberals could complain about it.

Becky, I am by no means a "bleeding heart liberal". I am complaining about it because this goes against everything that we are taught in the Corps. This is not an honorable act, nor is it keeping with the highest traditions of the Marine Corps.

KJ -- I forgot to say thank you for your service. I respect your outrage at Marines behaving inappropriately; I simply think other things are more important at this crucial time in our country's history.

Minotaur - I was in Vietnam at the DMZ Dong Ha and Cua Viet from Jun66 till Mar69, the only instances I heard of or saw were village elders heads put on stakes by the VC and NVA as a warning to villagers not to co-operate with the Americans. Please check the facts and don't just go by what you see in the movies. Please read www.riflewarrior.com/vietnam.html

Karaoke Jesus - Welcome Home and Thank You for your Service.

Con Thien 1970, if these marines get punished for that, then every marine I ever served with should be doing life w/o parole for the stuff we did.

But I have been told its a gentler kinder corps now....I just did not want to believe it.

No, the ear thing got started when CIA & Special Forces teams would hire mountainyards and nung chinese to fight for them against the VC/NVA. They were paid incintive bonus for each enemy killed and since you could not take their word alone for it they began to cut off an ear to bring back as proof of the kill. They would be paid a bonus for each ear turned in at the end of the mission.

Kind of like the scalp payment program the mexican & american government used in the 1870's against apache and commanche indians raiding on the border.

Of course hollywood got ahold of the story and blew it completely out of wack.

Becky, I pray that you will work out all the hate you project on other people, it's not flattering.

Becky, check the reason for the delay in deportation: 

The Obama administration has extended temporary protected status to El Salvadoran nationals through late 2013, shielding them from deportation and forcible return to their home country. The Department of Homeland Security cites ongoing disruptions from a series of earthquakes in 2001, concluding that “El Salvador remains unable, temporarily, to handle adequately the return of its nationals.

Minotaur - I think azrancher answered it pretty well.

azrancher - Thank You for Your Service and Welcome Home. Con Tien 1970 was hot. Was at Cua Viet for TET-68. My weapon of choice was an M-60, mangled what it hit but we never had desire or time to pay any attention to bodies afterwards. Please read www.riflewarrior.com/vietnam.html Peace and check your friends list.

I'm well aware of the reason Obama gave for the amnesty. However, the earthquakes happened 11 years ago ... maybe these people who were criminals in our country should be back in their own country helping their families and the citizens of El Salvador with reconstructing their country. I'm sure they have wives, children, and families who love them and probably need them in a country where it's taken over a decade to rebuild. This was a totally political move for the pres ... it's throwing a bone to the Hispanic Caucus AND maybe some of these illegals will be able to vote for him (an added bonus.)

Not paraded around news sites? Really? It's on youtube - DUH

Not defending them? Really? Your opening line did just that.

Ye who speaks out both sides of mouth and continues attempting to justify it.

Watson-with-the-big-mouth-conservatard.. I don't care much what your opinion is.. but I suspect you wouldn't normally say the "n" word, thus try and avoid using the "f" word... KAY?!?

mtn - the "f" word? take your meds today did ya, kay?

Unfortunately these kind of stories are common in ALL wars, it's part of the reason war sucks. But, I guess ... bob... thinks otherwise.

Watson -"it's part of the reason war sucks" how the hell would you know?

bob - Duh, do I have to burn myself in a fire to know fire .... burns? I know this may have gone over your head, but just think about it a minute ... or two (-:

Likewise, we should stop whining about 9/11. Why? Because the USA took war to the Afghanis first. We started it, Osama Bin Laden continued it. And this kind of bad acting will just produce a whole new generation of martyrs willing to die to get back at the rich and powerful country that goes half-way across the world to tell others how to live...

Be careful what you wish for.

That is commonly called the Silver Rule.

And of course there is also a Bronze Rule... Do unto others what others have done unto you.

Way to focus on the important part of the story. Damn i hate english teachers. lol.

If it is one or two is a matter of the basic facts of the situation, it has nothing to do with English or English teachers.

They deserve to be kicked out. United States Marines are better than this.

Thank you, its the Republican cowards who are all gung ho to hire baby killers but will reject someone for simply having a tattoo.....

THANK YOU! My husband is an Active Duty USMC Sgt. He takes his role as a Marine VERY seriously, as all Marines should. He also has tattoos, but they are not visible with his cammies on, and I know that if he were to get a tattoo on his forearm while in the Corps, he would be reprimanded because of some silly UCMJ rule.

This behavior is UNACCEPTABLE. It inflames those from other countries, putting the other, honest troops out there in excessive, extra harm's way, just because these morons can't act like grown ups. Marines are taught to be better than this, and that fact that people like this are able to join the USMC along side my respectable husband, disgusts me.

Rick....are these proud Taliban warriors the same ones that throw acid in schoolgirls faces and stone women when they catch them unescorted, hang a 7 year old kid for "spying" amongst other atrocities? Not that I approve of urinating on someone, but I for one would like to see your attempt to piss on any one of those Marines. That would be youtube worthy.

Rick, are you kidding me?

"they (the Taliban) are decendants of the lost tribes of Israel"...yeah, right.

The Unit Toad, I don't think you will get an answer. The acid is starting to take effect.

"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." -- Winston Churchill

So, not only American. ;)

Uh.... Yes, we can very much so criticize their actions, are you freaking kidding me? There needs to be strict rules for our military men to follow, BECAUSE of that very fact that they are trained killers!

meh.. pay no attention to "Watson" .. he's just trolling for attention, pathetic as it is.

and YOU? (-:

and you, "fella?" (-;