A lawmaker's proposal to allow Washington state to issue a National Rifle Association special license plate has some critics up in arms.
According to The Seattle Times, state Rep. Dean Takko is sponsoring a bill to create an “NRA license plate,” with proceeds from the sale going to support hunter firearm safety and education.
"As a hunter out in the woods, I want people to be safe," Takko, a Democrat from Longview who has been an NRA member for more than 20 years, told the Times.
Judging from online comments in response to the Times’ story, the proposal faces considerable public backlash.
“All the special design plates have to do with memorializing certain professions, are related to peaceful activities, or related to protecting the environment. The state should not allow an organization that promotes tools of death to freely advertise on state issued license plates,” wrote one reader from Seattle. “If they want to have a hunter safety plate then they should find an organization that promotes hunter safety not an organization that promotes people being able to own and carry military assault rifles.”
“Bad idea. Regardless of how anyone feels about the NRA, putting any political lobbying organization that is so polarizing for so many on plates is a bad precedent,” wrote another reader from Seattle. “The slippery slope is apparent. ACLU plates? Family Research Council plates? Where is the line?”
But Dave Workman, senior editor of thegunmag.com, a publication of the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation, said many people don’t understand the bill’s intent.
"The opponents I think are reacting to the fact that the letters ‘N-R-A’ are connected to this measure,” he told msnbc.com. “I don’t think they looked much beyond that.”
The special plates would raise more money for hunter education and firearm safety programs run by the Department of Fish and Wildlife.
“There’s a misperception among some of the opponents that the NRA is simply going to benefit somehow financially from this. That’s not true at all,” Workman said.
Workman acknowledged that the bill faces an uncertain future. He said it’s possible the legislation “would be much more well received” by the public if it were just a generic Second Amendment-type of bill and not linked directly to the NRA.
The Washington Department of Licensing currently offers 47 different special license plates, according to the Times. They cost up to $45 in addition to standard licensing fees.
Some states, including neighboring Idaho, already offer customized National Rifle Association plates.
Msnbc.com's James Eng contributed to this report.
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Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Same thing could be said about automobiles improperly driven (or even worse, drunk drivers). Hunter education might help save lives, but, the letters NRA are a red flag to any self gratifying liberal.
If you don't want one, don't buy one. It's a lot less offensive than some of the bumper stickers out there. Why the extreme reaction for things that don't matter much and completely ignoring a lot of things that are critical? I suppose a Global Warming plate goes too far too.
Screw the NRA. They are a private, Washington lobby of phonies and have no business getting free advertising with taxpayers money. What a joke politician this guy is.
You don't know what you're talking about.just like all liberals.
Typical liberal anti gun, anti American answer "tactical45". If you don't like something or someone, "screw them". Of course your opinion is the only important one.
A NRA symbol on the license plate would be the least of my concerns in looking at all the stuff out right now. It's just the regular jerks again that are against anything and everything. Don't listen.
I'm a liberal. I don't believe we should be handing out welfare to corporations or letting corporations buy our government and use it to aid in looting our country. I don't think the government or the corporations that own it should tell use who we can marry, what we can smoke, or what god we should pray to. That being said, I'm also a member of the NRA and an NRA licensed handgun and firearms safety instructor. Don't lump all liberals in with the anti-gun crowd. Liberal- comes from the same root word as the word liberty-as in freedom from oppression from either government or corporations.
Yeah. I agree with you 100%. I just finished reading a story about a soldier who shot his roommate in the head. You would think they would be trained that you treat every weapon as it is loaded or not point a weapon at something you don't intend to kill. A couple of things you learn from this sort of weapon training proposed.
Don't worry about a thing. Obama will take care of everything. He promises change. A change in Presidents in 2012. I promise.
I don't care much for the NRA, but I do see a good point about the plate. If it's for hunters' safety, why not?
Hunter safety is a good idea, but misuse of firearms is much more of a problem in non-hunting situations. The NRA through its legalized bribery of legislators through lobbying activities and campaign contributions, as well as its incessant message of fear has caused too many guns in the hands of people who should not have guns.
Without the NRA we would have a much safer society.
Really!? "If it's for hunters' safety, why not?" Really!? Is really just that easy?
In my opinion if they want to go out there try and be a "hunter" then let them pay for the training themselves. Just like they paid for the weapon themselves, just like they paid for their hunter licence themselves. If you're part of the NRA that's fine and your right but taking proceeds from the plates for some supposed safety training sounds a bit faulty. Simply sounds more like a chance for the already substantial lobbying NRA to generate more lobbying revenue. Just my opinion. Think about it would you be against a Goldman Sachs or B of A Licence plate where the proceeds would go to Economic Safety Training?
I think Dick Cheney should have to pay double!
Well despite having grown up with guns and being an avid shooter I'm not the biggest fan of the NRA. Still they put so many different things on license plates these days I dont really see what the big fuss is about. If people can have a "Save the whales" plate then why can't they have an NRA Plate. Personally I wouldn't be caught dead with either one on my car though.
I really could give a flying fazoo about the lisense plate thing, and I'm also a liberal. I can only speak for myself, but it isn't really the guns I have the issue with, it's the false arguments and fear mongering. If you wanna own a gun, own a gun, but please don't spout off about self defense, crime prevention, or ensuring our freedom. Those arguments don't hold water.
Crime prevention needs to be looked at through the lens of a hybrid social science that includes criminology, victimology, sociology, and psychology. You can't simply say, "Guns make criminals think twice." No, they don't. Crime is motivated by all sorts of different social and cultural factors, by all sorts of different individuals, and each crime comitted by each criminal is different. Guns would only make them think twice if each criminal and each crime was rational.
Self defense also needs to be taken a case at a time. There are only a few instances, under an alignment of a perfect set of circumstances where a gun would work. Think about it... Timing, location,the circumstances of the crime, the mental capacity of the victim, the lifestyle of the victim, the relationship between the victim and the perpetrator... I could go on and on. An example, drive by shootings, a completely innocent person caught in one, is dead, long before they could pull a gun. Rape? Most rape is acquaintance rape, where victims tend to freeze or not even realize what's happening until it's too late.
And the government, really? First, who are these people, that we voted into office I might add, that want to usurp our liberty? Why would they want to destroy the very system that gives them their power? Why wouldn't checks and balances stop them? How would they go about doing this? Would they get our military to join them? If so, why would our military? If not, why wouldn't we use our military to stop them? Think about it. The 2nd Amendment was written when a red coat or "injun" could literally show up at your door, with zero notice, and kill you, while help was days, if not weeks, away. Now we have radar, cell phones, police, national guards, and we're all pretty much crammed into cities or suburbs.
I own a dozen or more guns and pistols, and I used to be a member of the NRA, but now, I guess, I'm just A self-gratifying liberal. I gave up on the NRA and it's whackos when they came out against banning assault weapons and teflon-coated bullets. If any of them could explain to me how that isn't just plain dumb, I'll gladly re-join the NRA. In the meantime, I'm going to my room to fondle my handguns while drooling at the centerfold in my latest Gun Digest.
Your time would be better spent educating yourself on the canards that you gave as reasons for dropping out of the NRA.
Sarah, you make some very valid points and strong arguments. You're correct, it is silly to simply state guns can control crime or are always necessary for self defense. I don't think that is what most people believe. The problem is that pesky little document called the Constitution. You're right, the authors of the Constitution wanted to make sure that there would be a system of checks and balances against tyranny. One of these checks is the 2nd Amendment. Whether you believe that it is possible for an eventual government or leader to usurp the Constitution and our system of government in this day and age is not relevant. The fact remains that is why the 2nd Amendment existed than and the reason it exists, today. The only way to change that is to remove the amendment. Of course, this would be an impossible task in our current political climate and belief system.
TheFrog, while I don't support the NRA, I do see an argument in their line of thinking. Why should there be a ban on assault weapons? Do officers of the government (police, military, etc) have access to these weapons? If the answer is yes, then why shouldn't the citizens have access, as well? It would defeat the purpose of the 2nd Amendment if they did not.
John,
I don't have a problem with the 2nd Amendment, but I do believe that, similar to other areas of the Constitution, it should be interpreted to fit today's climate. I believe it was either Franklin or Jefferson who wanted the Constitution to be updated every 10 years, because they knew how fast things changed.
There's a lot of ways we interpret the Constitution that has nothing to do with it's original writting, like the Air Force for example, or applying the 4th amendment to wire taps...
Bearing arms was a feasible protection against tyranny in 1789, however, I don't believe that it would work any longer. I also hate when people try to make the argument that what's happening in Afganistan proves that hand gun owners protect us from tyranny. If someone was on, OUR land, threatening OUR establishment, I gaurentee you, it wouldn't be your hand gun owners dealing with them. We have soldiers that can kill you with a paper clip and missles that could stop them before they even got across the ocean. I highly doubt it would come down to Joe Shcmoe with his handgun that he's never shot anywhere expect the range, or at anything other than a paper cut out.
Excellent point Sarah, but you would have to "interpret" all of the ammendments to todays standards. Take the 14th ammendment, for example. The purpose of the 14th Ammendment was to provide citizenship for the freed slaves. Since there are no longer any freed slaves alive in this country since they would have to be over 150 years old, we can now safely repeal the 14th Ammendment since it no longer applies to todays standards. Or do you only want to "interpret" the ammendments that deal with things you don't like? Yes things are much different today then they were in 1787, ie the likelyhood of troops being garrisoned in private homes is pretty low, but if the Constitution needs to be changed to reflect modern issues, then it needs to be done through the proper channels; the ammendment process.
Matt,
The purpose of the 14th Amendment is to provide equal protection under the law and apply the Bill of Rights to the States. The purpose of the 13th Amendment was the abolition of slavery, and the outlawing of it.
Ergo, I wouldn't suggest amending either of those. It's still relevant that we don't want slaves, and that we DO want equal protection.
I only want to reinterpret the ones, that need to be applied with modern technology in mind, as well as the current size of our economy and capabilities of our country.
Sarah,
At the very least we need to put to bed the concept that the 2nd Amendment is intended to protect us from the government. If I might paraphrase John Adams, the idea that we can use our guns to oppose any government actions we (as individuals) don't approve of is just a license for political assassination. We have another mechanism for opposing those actions, it's called the vote and it has worked well for hundreds of years.
Thank you Cal, thank you! I mean, really, some of these arguments are fear mongering of the worst kind. The greatest gun control available, is to just be logical about this whole issue.
None of that was of any use to the 18 year old widow that had to defend herself and her baby. And as far as your point about technology goes the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is intended to put a fence around what government and people in power can do. Technological advances aren't relevant to that.
Bassai,
See my thoughts on self defense and crime prevention...
See my examples of how we do have to apply the Constitution to current technology...
If you want to own a gun, that's perfectly fine, as I also said above, but please also own the real reasons behind owning it, and cease to make illogical, overly simplistic, arguments, in an attempt to scare me into supporting gun ownership. I already do, I just don't support the ridiculous fear mongering perpetrated by the NRA and gun nuts.
Sara, I am not a "gun nut" nor a fearmonger. I don't believe many 2nd Amendment advocates are. I believe in the Constitution and the need to uphold the ideals that it was written to protect. I agree that there needs to be some room for interpretation that reflect changes in modern society. But, I think we should never lose sight of what the intention was behind the freedoms we were granted, this includes the right to bear arms.
I also believe in our system of government, the abiility to make great changes through peaceful means, so I accept that it is extremely unlikely that there would be a need for ordinary citizens to take up arms against the government. This does not change the fact and the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment, which was not added so people could hunt. The concept of the 2nd Amendment was, indeed, to prevent another tyrannical government, I don't think that it needs to be "put to bed" as the poster above says. I am not sure which Adams that was parahprased from (I would be interested to read it), but, it is, quite frankly, a license for rebellion. Read the Declaration of Independence. We believed we did everything we could to prevent armed rebelllion against England until we had no choice. The founders knew that it would have been impossible to wage this civil war without an armed populace.
John,
By no means did I think that you were. You actually sound very reasonable, and I totally get your position on the Constitution. I do think, however, that you're jumping to the conclusion that anyone who has issues with the 2nd Amendment doesn't understand the Constitution, or wants it erased.
Is it important to remember the original writer's meanings... Yes, but I believe only for historical reference, not to base arguments dealing with 20th Century social science and economics on.
I didn't mean to imply that you wanted it erased. And, I am not against all gun control by any stretch of the imagination. I am in favor of regulation of the 2nd Amendment the same way the 1st, and any other Constitutional right, is regulated. So, when I said the amendment would need to be amended or abolished, that would be the only way for gun opponents to remove that right.
While we probably agree more than disagree, there is a point that I think we are in very different agreement on. I don't think that original intent is an idea that should only serve as historical reference. I am only referring to Constitutional interpretation, here, not criminology or economics. But, the fact is, when determining Constitutional law, the original intent of the framers plays a critical role in determining what is and isn't constitutional. This was the case in the recent Supreme Court decision involving the handgun ban in Washington DC.
Maybe this NRA license plate would be a good idea.
Then we could more easily identify the gun nuts.
kaybeetoys= Why do you want to indentify so called "gun nuts". I guess anyone who has a gun is dangerous to you? And when they are "identified" what do you propose to do?
OK.. I can appreciate the desire for an NRA plate. VA has them. I'm an NRA Life Endowment Member, and a member of other firearms rights groups.
However, all of that aside, I DO NOT publicize my possession or carrying of a firearm for a simple reason. Doing so would make me and my possessions and/or home a target of others who would WANT my firearms. Why should I publicize the fact that there are firearms in my home or on my person?
I endorse and support the NRA, but NOT on my vehicle or home. It's just simple security.
Very good answer!
Then dont get one xdm9mm
If someone wants to have a license plate that reflects their hobby, why not?
Or is it that our liberal brethren are only into endorsing the things they think should be permissible.
I mean I'm not against them buying a "Wise Obama" license - even if, in my opinion, it is an utter contradiction in terms.
To XDm9mm: My first thought was ugh, I hate it, but if we can have anti-choice plates, I guess we couldn't say no to these.
But your point is a very good one. These plates could open up a world of hurt if some lowlife were looking for someone's guns to steal. If someone is dumb enough to advertise there are guns at their house, any creep could start a tragedy by trying to get his hands on them. Thanks for bringing up a good point.
Lynn... Glad I could assist. ALWAYS think security and safety, especially when dealing with firearms.
I COULD advertise mine, but then I'd need the bars and stuff that the gun shops have.
Remember one thing. It's often easier to hide something right out in the open than to hide it. It attracts less attention and questions. If people see it they usually disregard it.
What a wise post. (A relative rarity on Newsvine).
XD, I remember a news story where a motorist became angry at another driver with an NRA sticker and reported to the police the NRA driver pointed a handgun at him. The guy later admitted he made the entire story up, after the guy with the sticker endured the stress of possible criminal charges.
I agree. I don't wear firearms t-shirts or hats for the same reason.
again its a matter of choice. If you dont want one dont buy one but how dare you infringe on the rights of anyone who wants too. i personally dont want one but more power to those that do. I am sick and tired of people crying about what everyone does to offend them. Get over yourself and let people alone to do what they want. if you want to get on a" ban" wagon take a good look at our government. they are stripping your rights away one by one and you whiners will be the first to be shocked when they come for you.
I commend your ownership of your SpringfieldArmory XD-M high capacity 9mm semi-auto pistol Sir. Another "round" of applause ! No "standing" ovation for the criminal on your watch.
XD, you can put up a yard sign that says your neighbor is a gun-hater and his house is a gun free zone. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, the burglars will go there first.
glenbo... I could, but the bad guy would be even more surprised. He's a supervisor with DEA and she's a US Marshall. Oh, and if they're not home, the dogs will definitely let him/her know that picking that particular house was a VERY bad idea!!
Vincent.... thanks. I like it better than my Glock to be honest.
pauliegirl... not exactly sure who you're responding to, but your views are very true. People don't believe rights are disappearing but that's because they're coming through as various "regulations" from different agencies and not as actual "laws" being enacted by Congress.
I think its a great idea. Anyone for target practice?
I'm an NRA Benefactor life member and I don't advertise that I carry a .45 everywhere it's legal to do so. I certainly don't want to have labels all over my vehicles that there might be a gun inside. Although I vewry seldom leave it in the car, it's on me on in the safe I have in the car if I have to go to a school.
More like the funds going to support the NRA, that pays many lobbyists in Washington...That cost a lot of $$$$$$
Hmmm ... maybe we didn't read the same article. I saw the sentence you extracted, but I also saw a sentence that reads ...
The special plates would raise more money for hunter education and firearm safety programs run by the Department of Fish and Wildlife.
Not one dollar would go to the National rifle Association.
Yeah! We read the same article, but you believe everything they said...I don't.
So, you DO believe the things you "read into" an article that werent there?
Delusional.
Yoshi
So, iRespond, you only believe the portions of this article that promote your pesonal agenda, all other facts aside? Have you actually read the legislation? I know of no state that allows the commercial sale of license plates for the benefit of a non-government entity. The fees associated with a specific plate are ear-marked for a corresponding government program.
If you can prove (and I really do mean prove, not just pass on something you heard) otherwise, please post it on this thread.
I certainly hope it does help fund the NRA. They are the best organization out there!! GO NRA!! Lock and load!
Irespond, the state collects the money. As a state agency it's very easy to find out where ever penny goes.
In other words...your an idiot.
Someone could present you with a car and you would think it was a bomb because you dont believe everything.
You believe what you want when you want. Simple, your arrogant and stupid.
You are incorrect IRESPOND. The NRA Lobby's on behalf of ALL American's 2nd Amendment Rights from membership fees only. Please research BEFORE you post.
More money for the Murder Lobby, it seems.
So then "Choose Life" plates are more money for the religious lobby, it seems.
Toasty McGrath believes anyone who wants to defend his/her family is a criminal who should be in prison for 25 to life so his opinion is of no value whatsoever.
I agree, AFS. Neither should be state-sponsored. That's a very dangerous path to start down on.
Nope, you obviously don't understand how the State of WA licenses work.
I semi agree with XDm9mm... as a Life Endowment member of the NRA and a supporter of the movement, I do not publicize possession/carrying of a firearm. I do however proudly display the NRA logo on all three of my rigs and both boats. If any 'feels the need' to 'WANT' my firearms, they are more than welcome to try, my weapons are all secured with trigger locks, barrel locks and in my gun safes.
Any 'WANTER' had also be aware that should I catch them attempting to remove them, that I will proudly present them with a quick two to Center Mass followed by one to the head. I believe in the creed, "better judged by twelve than carried by six"... I believe that promoting the NRA is a very good idea... maybe if more of us let the 'WANTERS' know that they will not accept their wanton taking of peoples possessions, there might be less of them!?!
Support your NRA, Heritage Foundation and all Shooting Sports Groups!
Come on people, the Democrats are not after your guns, and never have made it an issue, but for 50 years now, the NRA has been saying this on every election. The NRA is a paid political broadcast. Fifty years of the same thing and I'll tell you why it will never happen, and it's simple numbers, more than half of the democrats are gun owners too and feel just as strongly about giving up our guns as you republicans do. God forbid, but me and millions of other democrats would become republicans if they ever did make gun control an issue. The license plates, I could care less if your license plate has NRA on it, yall already have bumper stickers and anti Obama stickers, it's your car, put what you want on it.
DeFishmon....
I have the jackets and hats, and carry a supply of applications with me.
Unfortunately, I'm not always around to "protect" my vehicle when doing things like shopping. Personally, I'd hate to come back and find some anti-gunner had a game of tic-tac-toe on the door!!
And like you, all a "wanter" would get is tired trying to get into the house and safe to get to the firearms.
Plus if I happened to be there, they would get a very interesting surprise. OK.. maybe not interesting, but you get the idea.
As a proud NRA LIFE MEMBER I display a NRA decal on the back window of my pickup as well as on my wife's SUV. I also believe in security but I don't think a license plate would really draw any more attention than my decal. Also, if any "wanters" might try stealing my guns I will happily introduce them to the 2d Amendment.
Not allowing NRA license plates is just about libaterd control.
Oh Go Ahead! Get one for your truck!
You can also add a bumper sticker that would read:
"If you lived in your car, you would be home now"
That is also a good one.
How true. Hope you notice that those complaining the loudest are from the Pudgent Sound area. Being a Democrat, I even get tired of our ultra-liberal Pudgent Sound area (King, Pierce, Snohomish, Kitsasp counties).
IRESPOND.... I guess you're jealous he has a car to live in.
Well said!
The NRA is the largest supporter for firearms saftey in the United States.
Frankly I'm surprised to see there isn't some huge groundswell of backlash against this idea,here,now.Why even post in the article what some feminine hygeine product thinks about gun control and liscence plates? Reason?-wasn't much info for article-just trying to fan the flames
military assault rifles... OMG you mean like the ones the SWAT freeks have. Running around in Military garb with all the hardware hanging wearing ski masks, busting down doors and shooting people with. O my no we cant have that...
"The state should not allow an organization that promotes tools of death to freely advertise on state issued license plates."
ROTFL!! Amazing how anyone (liberals and conservatives alike) can skew information to support their personal point of view. Personally, my "tools of death" have caused the demise of many a steel target, plus the occasional piece of fruit (watermelons!). My husband's, on the other hand, have accounted for multiple deer, quail and pheasant. Hmmm .... now I'm hungry!
As for the clueless person in Washington who actually said that, I'd like to point out that the NRA is all about responsible gun ownership. Gangbanger thugs generally aren't NRA Life Endowment members!
Yeah Bunny watch'em Hug those ugly ol tools of death when some freak comes for their Toys.. lol hypocrites !!
I have owned guns all my life and I hunt every year, more for the meat than for sport. That said I have no use for the NRA. They are nothing but a right wing PAC now. They no longer care about game habitat, only about protecting their perceived right to own semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons and cop killer bullets, and they support candidates on that basis alone even though those same candidates would trash the environment.
The old mantra that guns don't kill people, people kill people is silly. Guns make it far, far easier for people to kill people and many people killed in gun violence would be alive today if their assailants had been limited to a club, knife, etc. I don't know what the answer is to today's gun violence now that there are so many guns out there, but it is not NRA license plates. Hunter safety education certainly is a good thing and it can reduce gun accidents, but it does nothing to address the far bigger problem of gun crime and killing sprees often facilitated with assault rifles and high capacity clips. We don't need those to hunt deer.
Theo lad I could not help saying how much I would rather be sliced up from a razor or butcher knife than die from a single clean thru and thru bullet. I agree Death is too important to not drag it out as long as you can painfully and messy. After all getting to finally see your internal organs you've been carrying around for so long is educational.
Gun deaths are a sign of our immoral society.
Theo... define "assault rifle" please.
unknown1 - Who would you rather face at 50ft or at 10ft for that matter, a guy with a gun or a guy with a knife? And how many people perpetrating crimes of passion would have been able to go through with it if they had to do their killing by hand instead of with the impersonal ease of a gun?
9mm - I suspect I don't have to define this for you but I mean that class of small bore, large clip similar to AK47 type of semi auto or readily converted to full auto military weapons - you know, the ones that won't be used in a NRA hunter ed class.
Theo
Did you know that a Bolt Action rifle can be converted to a semi auto rifle? Not sure but you maybe able to modify the Pedersen Device to go full auto. Now do you want to ban Bolt action rifles?? They just might be able to be modified to fire Full Auto.
Here is a list of BANNED Handguns in California.
http://content.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/California-removed-guns.pdf
Notice that there are revolvers and .22's on the list.
Theo, no disrespect, but yes, I would like a PRECISE definition of an "assault rifle".
To be honest, your definition is uselessly broad and boarders on absurd. By your definition, the Ruger 10/22 that my wife uses is an assault rifle. And would your definition extend to the M-14 that I use, or how about the Mini-14 I own. Would you classify the Garand in 30-06 caliber in your definition?
And many people are starting to carry assault "looking" rifles afield for hunting. You might carry a Winchester lever action, or a nice Model 70 bolt action, but not everyone does.
So yes, please provide a "precise" definition of an "Assault Rifle".
Just a bit of afterthought. In the history of the United States, there has never been a crime committed with a LEGALLY owned assult rifle ( as per FBI and ATF records). For $500.00 ( cost of the ATF permit and background check) and the price of the weapon, you can own one too. For hunting? Naaa - too hard to be accurate on full auto. Personally, I would rather have a Barrett m107 to play with. Oh, I do!
The Second Amendment isn't about being able to shoot a freaking deer.
Guess you missed MSNBC's article yesterday about the continuing decline in the homicide rate or recent articles about continuing increase in legal firearms purchases by citizens exercising their rights.
Theo,
You do realize that full automatic weapons are very rarely used in crimes, dont you? Do you even know the process required to get one? You have to buy the gun, pay the BATF $200, wait god knows how long (sometimes 8 months!) for them to send you a stamp back. Then, only YOU can have the gun. No one else can have access to it when you arent around. Oh, and to top it off, you cant buy a full auto that was made in the last 25 years, therefore there is a limited supply making them extremely expensive. The NRA rarely even brings full autos up.
As for your assault rifle comment, by definition an assault rifle is full auto. Now I realize you are referring to the "cosmetic" elements that people classify an assault rifle. Why does that matter? Someone can easily reload, why does magazine size matter?
As I suspected, you really dont know what you are talking about. The 2A is NOT about hunting. It is about being able to defend yourself, your family, and in the most dire situation, your country.
Don't like the ad? Put a sign in your yard stating as much and the fact that you don't own a gun.
Excellent idea! Then the bad guys know you're a "safe" target!
Do you really want your neighbor to own an M=60 machine gun or a fully automatic AK47 that can shoot through your walls. They might get drunk and start shooting, maybe they aren't wound too tight to begin with, or they may be shooting at an intruder, but your house is next door. Think about what it would be like for all them bullets to be screaming around your house. I am against gun control but agree with the ban on assault rifles and automatic weapons, and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals that we know are criminals or crazies or both.
Vinegaroon, don't be ridiculous. Of course I only use hollow-point ammo for home defense. It fragments inside the target and prevents through-and-through shots that might penetrate walls.
There, feel better?
vinegaroon...
first, criminals are that because they... DON'T OBEY THE LAW.
M-60's, AK-47's and such can be had, but it is a very expensive FEDERAL License that's required to get one. Oh and a VERY extensive background investigation. Don't hold your breath while waiting for it to process.
Personally - I prefer a 12ga pump with #4 shot in close quarters. It may not kill an intruder but they damn sure are going to stop moving and it does not go anywhere else. Granny Clampet used rock salt and baccon rind.
Gas Doesn't Kill People; Drunk BBQers do!
Do you really want your neighbor to own gasoline or a propane grill that can burn through your walls. They might get drunk and start a fire, maybe they aren't wound too tight to begin with, or they may be cooking hotdog, but your house is next door and there might be sparks. Think about what it would be like for all that fire burning down your house. I am against gas control but agree with the ban on privately owned gasses.
And if they were made before May or June of 1986. Don't recall the exact date.
Bassai
That is for SEMI AUTO rifles. MACHINE GUNS AKA ASSAULT RIFLES have been illegal since the early 30's. FOOL.
Short answer for you courtesy of Hanson Rod & Gun Club:
Longer answer is avaible in the ATF's National Firearms Act Handbook.
Apology accepted.
TOOLS OF DEATH...really is that what my you think, I think all those illegal drugs your doing is the problem?
The Environment is fine but you half bake fuzzy thought process isn't!
I urge everyone to get a firearm,use a firearm and remember you armed cuts down on crime and that keeps the prison population down and saves everyone money....help your self,help your city and own a gun.
If my state sold one I'd buy a tag ,because the tag would tick off you anti gun tards!
My fire arm is the best insurance against crime and keeps me alive to be able to call a cop, it also keeps my neighborhood from becoming a hood!
If your scared of my owning a gun then that means your the kind of person that makes me own one,it keeps you honest and out of my business. NRA NRA NRA cause the Occupy people hate those that can and will fight back!!
Well it is kind of interesting how skewed the conversation gets.
“All the special design plates have to do with memorializing certain professions, are related to peaceful activities, or related to protecting the environment...,”
Ummm, how about license plates of military veterans and those with Purple Hearts or those that display a branch of military service. If you consider those 'professions, peaceful activities, and protecting the environment', one could make a pretty good case that NRA members also engage in such activities.
Hunting helps protect the environment, especially in the culling of feral hogs that can quickly unbalance an environment. Hunting is also quite a bit more 'peaceful' than being deployed in a hostile military zone.
And while being an NRA member is not a profession, there are many professionals who are required to carry firearms. Should we exclude them from proudly displaying plates for their 'violent' professions?
In other words, opponents for the most part are just NRA opponents and really don't give a flip about the established precidents.
Btw: Liberal, for the most part with a CC license as well as firearms. If some crazed conservative starts shooting my fellow liberals, I want no shortage of liberal firepower in coming to their defense.
So don't confuse "liberal" with unprotected or whimpy or a "space cadet". It was liberals, not conservatives, that fought against England for independence. And it was the conservtive Southern States that supported staying with England.
SprDg. Excellent response! The only problem, you are confusing the issue with fact and logic
I have a relative that works for the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife in the Hunter Ed. dept. He has been a volunteer instructor for over 25 years. It is very important to have a quality hunter ed. program, but without proper funding it becomes very difficult. I can tell you that he complains contantly about the lack of funding to supply even the basic materials. Any additional funding, regardless of the source, would be welcome so our volunteer hunter ed. instructors can countinue to help keep people safe.
Really tired of my lib neighbors wanting my phone number in case of a problem but their response to my asking why they don't have a gun is "I hate guns".
If they can have an NRA plate I want a NORML plate!
With a picture like that, you need more than a plate of ANY kind.
Sorry, just couldn't resist!!
I want a ACLU plate. No! just kidding as I have a Amateur radio license plate with my call sign on it. I am a life time member of the NRA and I am a member of the ACLU. So there. Mississippi has a license plate that says "Choose Life". MS has lots of so-called Vanity Plates. If you don't like it, just don't spend the extra $30 or thereabouts.
Really a non issue. Plates are approved for many areas of interest. Is there not a Penn State plate?
It all starts off innocently enough. Then there will be people who want license plates that are Anti-Gun, pro-Yoga, save the deer tick, fill in the blank. We already have bumper stickers...now we have to have more divisive gotta let the world know what I stand for B.S. This used to be the United States of America. Work hard, respect other peoples rights and opinions and mind your own freeking business.
Buzz words: Attack, Fully Automatic, Militarized , AK-47, High-Power, Sniper, Machine gun, High Capacity, Armor Piercing, Magnum... etc This kind of scare is the chief tool of the people that want a Monolithic government to keep everyone Safe and head down.
We live in an association-type community. About two years ago, a bunch of us got together to form an informal readiness group. Some of us have deep-freezes that we keep stocked with a rotating selection of foods; some stockpile bottled water or propane for cooking/heating; some have generators or medical supplies and first aid kits. And yes, some of us stock up on reloading supplies and .223 ammo.
In the event of a major disaster or civil disturbance, when you need help NOW, 911 will not be available. It's amazing how many of our anti-firearm neighbors suddenly want to make sure we'll be there to protect them in that event!
Sometimes, people should suffer the consequences of their own big mouths - especially those, who like the rest of us, who have been forewarned to "prepare" for emergencies, et al, and have not done so.
I seriously doubt, when the time comes, if I would put my family, friends, or colleagues at risk because some dumb a*s failed to prepare or take self-responsibility. Under those circumstances, they're on their own. Besides, it's natures way of culling the sick and stupid, and you cannot fix stupid. Surviving and ensuring you prepare is everyone's responsibility - if it sounds harsh, tough, because I, like many of you, took the time, labor, and expense to prepare. The last thing this society needs in more dead weight and some jackwagon who feeds off the rest of us. Screw that.
Over the last thirty years firearms enthusiasts have made great strides to the endeavor of preventing firearms accidents. The NRA deserves all of the credit.
You cannot argue that the population has increased. And you have to admit there are more guns than ever. But why does nobody talk about the unintentional (accidents) death rate by firearms?
The numbers below represent those taken from the CDC database.
unintentional death rate by firearms
Year...........Deaths.............Rate per 100,000
1981..........1,871.......................82
1985..........1,649.......................69
1991..........1,441.......................57
1996..........1,134.......................42
1998..........866..........................31
2001..........802..........................28
2006..........642..........................21
I'm sure there are variables that can cut this up, but those are the numbers.
What the NRA and gun owners have been doing in regards to safety and public education is working.
And that is something I can believe in and support.
You act like someone has the right to control what you put on your own property. They don't its a free country and freedom of speech is a constitutional right.
If you want NRA or ACLU on your vehicle that is your choice and no one elses. The laws only specify size and location for the plate hanger, content of the plate hanger or plate cannot be stymied as it would be a clear violation of your right.
Besides I would be interested to see how many people put ACLU on their vehicles along with a few other orgs out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction
If we believe in M.A.D. on a grand scale then it is only logical to apply it on a personal level.
Notice the term used by these mental cretins: "Tools of Death" - Come on, give me a break... Every single anti-gun no-nothing that I met, has been shown to be not self-reliant, and would be the first one to call a lawyer or a cop because they couldn't deal with life on their own. Pathetic !
Hey, I figure, if some card-carrying folks want an NRA license plate, good for them. If proceeds go to hunter and firearms safety, even better. I think many folks out there would like one ... it's good advertising and whatever security risk there is (depending on where you live) its probably minimal, at best. Actually, it would probably deter anyone messing with you on the road, for sure !!! Despite all, we still have a First Amendment, and that says: For all those whining and misinformed anti-gun cretins - Put a Cork in It, will ya !!
Agreed Doc, BTW I don't own a gun of any kind. Thanks to the right to bear arms I don't have to...
That's ok UNKNOWN1 - I know many folks who don't own guns, for whatever reason, but still prepare in other areas. As long as someone has a skill or something to "bring to the table", they would always be welcome. Besides, I am sure there would be enough guns to go around for these folks who don't own one, just in case extra backup was needed ! :>) Be well
BunnySlayer....good for you. I think that what you are doing is intelligent and proactive. RomeoTango....great to hear that. Useful information. Once you star promoting an organization or idea over someone else's it's going to get stupid and contentious. The only way you are going to find out if I have a gun or support the NRA is if you try and break into my house.....the NRA is a polarizing entity so why the need to have license plates?
"Choose Life" isn't a polarizing topic? Why the need to have those plates?