Philadephia mayor: Slain 14-year-olds' 'little butts' should have been in bed

PHILADELPHIA - An outraged Mayor Michael Nutter lashed out after three 14-year-olds in his city were killed, calling the shooter "a dog," "idiot" and "a**hole." He also fumed at the dead boys' parents for not adequately supervising their children, saying that "their little butts" should have been in bed.

The mayor's on-camera remarks came after a 30-year-old stepfather opened fire on a car full of kids who came over to fistfight with his three stepsons Tuesday night, according to police, reported NBCPhiladelphia.com.  A source told NBC Philadelphia that Axel Barreto confessed to firing shots at the car, killing three teenagers inside. He was arrested Wednesday night in a Bensalem, Pa., motel.


Police said that around 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, seven teens drove over to a house in Philadelphia's Juniata section. Barreto was waiting with a semi-automatic in the driveway, NBC Philadelphia reported. He fired about a dozen shots into the car, hitting four of them, police said; the 16-year-old driver, whose neck was grazed by a bullet, is expected to make a full recovery.

While Mayor Nutter expressed satisfaction over Barreto's swift arrest, on Thursday night, he told reporters that the situation left him exasperated.

Read the full story on NBCPhiladelphia.com

“Seven young people, somewhere between 14 and 16 years old, on a Tuesday night -- a school night -- are out in a car going to somewhere to have a fight with some other teenager. That is completely insane, it is irresponsible," he said. "Parents have to know where their children are and what they are doing.

Jacqueline Larma / AP

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, seen in Nov. 2011

“The least you can do is know where the hell your kids are, in the daytime, in the nighttime, or at any time during the week or on the weekends. That’s the minimum we should ask and expect from our parents. You want to have kids? Take care of them.”

The victims were looking for trouble, he said.

“Their little butts should have either been in bed, getting ready for bed, or doing some homework,” Nutter said, reported CBS 3 in Philadelphia. “Not out in a car, not in some other neighborhood, and not up to this kind of nonsense. I’m not your mom and I’m not your dad. We cannot completely legislate, or by policy, make people responsible for their children.”

And to Barreto, he said this: "If you want to act like an idiot, you want to be an a**hole, you want to be a lowlife in this town, we will track you down like the dog that you are."

The other teenagers who were in the car on Tuesday night were cooperating with police to help investigators figure out the timeline of events that led up to the deadly shooting, according to NBCPhiladelphia.com. One of the people in the car that night allegedly received a call asking them to meet in the driveway that night, they told police.

The shooting resulted from an argument that originated on Facebook, reported NBCPhiladelphia.com. Nutter said he hoped this would serve as an example for other teens to avoid retaliatory acts. “It is not going to work out well for any of you," he said.

Barreto was formally charged with the murders of the three 14-year-olds on Thursday morning.

 

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The mayor is correct about the victims of this crime. They should have had their butts at home studying, getting ready for bed, or asleep. Where were the parents of these kids. They have a huge responsibility for making sure their kids are not out creating mischief. I am surprised they even have a computer to go onto facebook. The result of young mothers and fatheres unmarried and trying to raise children.... Thugs etc.

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#1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST

I am glad he has the GUTS to say the truth> How totally refreshing!

Pay attention the rest of you politicians!

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#1.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST

It goes beyound that, All the parents should have charges against them.....

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#1.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST
Comment author avatarScottW714Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

They were driving age, at least some of them. Kids lie, like you were never out with friends on a school night once you got your drivers license, maybe telling mom and pop you were working or studying.

Maybe they should have been at home, but doesn't the mayor think kicking grieving parents is at the very least, in bad taste, at worse calling the kettle black. Isn't his job to keeping the city safe, especially kids. I'm not saying he could have prevented this, but neither could have the parents, hind site is a motha. Kids are going to fight and no where in he story does in mention them having weapons, a grown made this situation lethal, not the kids.

Looking for trouble, what does that mean, they weren't looking to shoot to get shot. they are victims.

I'm not absolving the parents, but they don't need anyone telling them what they are screaming at themselves. They just lost their children, and let's start blaming the real culprit, a grown man using a gun on children.

And speaking of guns... good thing it didn't kill these kids, the grown ass man did. But one has to wonder if only he had a knife, maybe these parents would be grounding their kids this weekend instead of going to their funerals.

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#1.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST
Comment author avatarBlackbirdExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Unless you (and the mayor) know ALL the facts, your comments are irrelevant. Perhaps the lads told their parents they were going to the convenience store or a movie. As a parent of 16 year olds would you deny them that? I'm certain they would not have told them they were headed for a rumble. Try controlling 16 year olds. I was fortunate but have recently been told by my sons that all was not placid at High School. In fact HS resembles more and more a disfuntional institution riddled with drug and gang issues which are extremely hard to circumvent. IMO the "mayor" should instead be issuing his SINCERE CONDOLENCES and looking for ways to intervene in the system and try and make it better rather than what he said. The "perp" should never see the light of day again and perhaps his stepsons are better off without him.

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#1.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST

Blackbird, it was a Tuesday night, a school night. No midnight openings for movies. No reason to be heading to a movie at 10:30 at night.

Maybe due to a prevailing lack of sympathy, a few more kids will decide to take care of Facebook insults in the light of day.

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#1.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST

This is why Philly has a curfew for those under 18. These same idiots were running rampant in the summer starting "flash mobs" and harassing shoppers in the city.

I went to Toronto for three days and was shocked that I didn't see any murders on the evening news during that whole time. I had to ask "what do people die from up here" someone answered "old age"

I wonder what that must be like.

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#1.6 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST

Blackbird

This happened at 10:30 on a school night. So you think it's ok for a parent to let their 14 year-old (or even 16 year-olds) go to a movie on a school night? A convience store? At that time of night? I was a single mother and I was able to 'control' my son just fine. I taught him better.

I hate it that the kids were killed but it would not have happened had they been at home. The parents do have some responsibility. Unfortunately they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. As for the shooter, I don't know all the specifics. None of us do but I don't think is right that he opened fired either. We don't know if he warned them or not, or if he called the police when they first arrived. An investigation will turn that info up.

You don't have too support the man shooting the kids in order to agree with the mayor and applaud him for stating the obvious.

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#1.7 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM EST

I'm sorry, did I misread the article? It sounds like to me that this guy was using the gun to protect his children from a car load of other kids coming over to attack his kids? Am I wrong? The mayor is right though these kids parents need to take some blame for this because they didn't know where their kids were. And please do not give me the argument that Did you sneak out when you were a kid? Today's world is a lot different then my world, and on a school night, in my neighborhood you better believe nobody would even try to sneak out. If your parents didn't catch someone else would and march you right home, then you got your butt tanned but good.

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#1.8 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:12 PM EST

Blackbird - kidding, right? 10:30 on a school night, if my kids aren't doing homework they're already in bed. Common sense parenting is all that is.

Having said that, the mayor is dead on about the shooter - many options were available to this man short of gunfire.

You, however, are off base about the "victims." Piling into a car and rolling up to someone's house 10:30 at night AFTER having specifically threatened a kid in that house? Now for my best John Stewart voice: "Yeah... what could possibly go wrong with THAT?"

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#1.9 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST

Blackbird, 14-16 y.o. kids are not to be out at the movies on a school night, or at the store at 10:30pm. They should be home getting ready for bed so they can get up in the morning for school. Many of the kids who are behind or failing in school, are doing so because of lack of sleep or not doing their homework. I grew up in a single parent household, and there is no way I would be allowed to be out running the streets on a weekday. I owned my on vehicle as a senior in H.S., and could be out a night if I choose to, but I was either finishing my homework that I didn't do earlier because I was doing other things, or getting ready for bed so I wouldn't be falling asleep in class the next day.

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#1.10 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST

Well, the facts (as they have been stated by the alleged victims) is that they were en route to fight...bottom line is you need to be prepared for what MIGHT happen if you are seeking to harm someone else...they came looking for a fight and got handled...Now they wanna cry because they were not the fighters they thought they were....

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#1.11 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST

That mayor is correct!

Where are the parents???

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#1.12 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST

It is so refreshing to hear a politician telling it like it is, not being PC about what happened. It is even more refreshing to hear this coming from a leader who is in the minority community. The community needs more leaders like him who will call out the parents for allowing their 14-16 year old kids to be out looking for trouble at 10:30pm on a school night. Too many people make excuses for the parents and try and shift the blame. Yes, the adult who opened fire is definitely guilty and should spend the rest of his life in prison for murdering these three kids. However, the other truth is if these kids had not been out looking for a fight at 10:30 on a school night, instead of being home in bed or doing homework, they would still be alive. If people are going to have kids then they need to take responsibility for raising them right and teaching them better than to do something like this that put their lives in danger and got them killed. While I do not blame these kids for their own murders, they were not exactly completely innocent either. Maybe if we could start charging parents for their kids bad behavior, the parents would pay more attention to what their kids are doing.

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#1.13 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:22 PM EST

I have to say, I agree with the mayor. While I think that you have to be careful about your comments as the mayor of a major city, in this particular case, I really can't say I disagree with the mayor, given the horrible situation that occured.

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#1.14 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST

NO, at 14-16 years old, my kids were not allowed out at 10.30 at night on a school night to go anywhere if I wasn't with them. Movies are for the weekends and there's nothing at the store they need to go get by themselves. Yes, you can control a 16 year old, unless you are too lazy or just don't care about their safety. Kids wind up in trouble or jail because some parents refuse to set common sense rules and then blame everyone but themselves when the worst happens.

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#1.15 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST

The fact is whether any of us thinks that it is reasonable to expect 14-16 year olds to be at home on a school night is irrelevant. Had these kids been home instead of going to someone's house to fight, they would be alive today. That is the bottom line. It is about choices and how one bad one can change or end your life. A parent's responsibility is to train their kids how to think critically. Things that seem important today or insurmountable, often seem far less important as soon as the next day. I cannot imagine what was so important that these kids HAD to drive to someone's house to fight.

Now the stepfather overreacted as well. He could have called thepolice and let them handle it. But, this is what happens when people are operating on pure emotion and they do not even know why. In his defense, however, given today's culture of violence, if you think that someone is about to commit mayhem on your people, there is going to be a tendency to overreact. But, again, since he seemed to have prior knowledge, he could have called the cops.

The bottom line is though that each of us needs to be very cognizant of our own actions and the potential consequences. Parents would do well to drum this inot their kids from the beginning.

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#1.16 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST

No one has mentioned it, but it seems like waiting for the kids with a gun is a bit excessive. There were other ways he could have handled it. He could have just told them no one was getting out of the car and for them to get their butts off his property. He could have called the police if they refused. What did he think was going to happen if he shot into the car with a semi-automatic?

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#1.17 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST

Unless you know the FULL story you are not in a position to judge the parents. You have no idea what the parents told their kids to do or when they told them to be back. You don’t know the details of what was going on. Those of you that are so quick to blame the parents either don’t have teenagers or don’t remember BEING teenagers. Teenagers lie. They say they’ll be home at 8:30 and get home at midnight. Some do this regularly, some do it only rarely. You don’t know the family so YOU DON’T KNOW.

Don’t judge when you don’t the facts.

In any case, it is in unbelievably bad taste for the mayor to be publically blaming the parents for this. What, exactly, does he think he’s accomplishing? Does he think losing a child is not a sufficient punishment for the parents but public insults from a stranger will somehow make all the difference?

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#1.18 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST

I don't know about Blackbird, but when I was 16, which was a few years ago apparently, on a school week, I'm not allowed to go out and certainly not at 10:30pm. If you don't teach your kids early on the rules, then your kids will not follow rules very well in the real world. My dad is a single parent and no way in hell was he letting me out and about before I was 18, it's what happens when parents care what their kids do I suppose.

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#1.19 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST

They say they’ll be home at 8:30 and get home at midnight. Some do this regularly, some do it only rarely. You don’t know the family so YOU DON’T KNOW.

And some wonder why at 18 some kids are useless and won't amount to a dam. School isn't a priority and parents are glad to get rid of them for the night.

As far as the idiot with the gun, there were a lot better ways to handle it then to just open fire. He had absolutely no idea who was in that car. So now he will spend a good portion of his life in a cell.

What makes you think his kids weren't the aggressor in this case. In the end, kids got killed because of a FACEBOOK argument? The entire bunch of them are losers probably doing nothing more than following their idiotic parent's lead.

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#1.20 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST

Junicon,

I knew better to lie to my parents because I knew I wouldn't be sitting comfortably for a while if I did. Your argument does not hold water.

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#1.21 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:10 PM EST

Junicon - you are part of the problem. How long did it take you to pack your head this full of crap?

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#1.22 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST

There must be a Darwin award in here somewhere. There are some actions that are to be avoided simply because they cannot lead to a desirable outcome. This went over the top but how many days go by without one of these over the top incidents taking place? Stupid, stupid, and more stupid.

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#1.23 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST

Considering that most parents get in trouble these days for corporal punishment I'm not sure how your comment is relevant Jon. Kids lie and it is a fact, do you deny this?

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#1.24 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST

I have a comment for RLC1111

if the father knew that there might be trouble, why didn't he call the police and tell them that there was a problem. I am a parent and can understand his concern, he did not know if they had weapons either, but then again, call the POLICE. Don't take the law into your own hands. What a tragedy all around.

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#1.25 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST

The most important thing, is that the families of the deceased updated their kids' Facebook status to.....

"D.O.A."

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#1.26 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST

For the past 30 years in the music business I have watched the thug children grow younger and younger. Not only do I agree with the Mayor, but based on what has been said so far, if this turns out to be the case, if I were on the jury I'd acquit the shooter.

My wife and I took in three foster kids once for a short time because we were asked by the county to do so. One was a teenage girl. They went back to their mother after a while and one night I get a phone call from a boy wanting to talk to the girl. I told him she had gone home and was no longer there. He went ape on me, threatening me if I didn't put her on the phone. I explained the situation and told him I didn't have her number since we didn't. Half an hour later four kids show up on our porch yelling and threatening. My wife called the cops. 10 minutes went by and they kicked in the glass storm door. As they kicked the at the door, I opened it with my .357 magnum in my hand. They ran. The cops showed up two hours later. If they had not run they would be dead today. I have no sympathy for street thugs. NONE AT ALL.

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#1.27 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST

I have a comment for RLC1111 - shooting the kids while still inside the car can not be considered self protection unless they were trying to run him over.

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#1.28 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:24 PM EST

Yea, cause no one would dare shoot a gun from inside a car.

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#1.29 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:35 PM EST

Gotta love the honesty here...it's a shamed the little knuckers got killed though.

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#1.30 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST

No matter what the situation was there was no excuse for those kids to be in that situation. Yes I have disobeyed my parents before and lived to regret it. The fact that seven kids were planning to beat up three kids gives testiment to how they were raised, the fact that they were out that late just adds more. It's about time public officials called people out on their lack of parenting. My kids grew up knowing this kind of thing wouldn't be allowed so they wouldn't even ask to be out past 9 on a school night. They also knew if they snuck out there would be consequences. These kids apparently hadn't heard about "consequences" but the remaining four are learning it the hard way now.

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#1.31 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST

Where were the parents? Well, dad(s) didn't live with them and mom was smoking crack!

14 and 16 year olds out at 10:30 on a school night riding over to start a fight over a Facebook page? There are so many things wrong with this scenario that I am not even going to start. All I can say is good riddance! What else did these kids have in their future but a lifetime behind bars?

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#1.32 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:26 PM EST

So some of you think it randomly pops into good kids heads to just sneak off and fight somebody? Sorry but no it doesn't. Most kids have been raised to know better. Not only should the parents have not allowed their children out of the house alone late at night they should have taken the time to know their children. It's shocking how many people think they know their children but really don't. Just because someone's child has never been caught doing something wrong doesn't mean that they haven't or that they haven't thought about it. Rather than telling their kids what to do and then turning a blind eye and believing their children are angels they need to find out what their kids are really like. Talk to your children. Find out what they like and who they like. Talk to their friends and get to know them. Talk to their friends' parents and find out what kind of home your kids are exposed to when they go out visiting. Talk to your neighbors and listen to what they say about your children. Then you can tell if your kids are really listening to what you are trying to teach them. Check what your kids look at on the internet. Look at their Facebook pages. Google their names for goodness sake. These kids weren't just randomly possessed by demons or something and told to go out to fight someone else. They were inclined to this kind of behavior way before that but the only people that could have prevented them from going out never noticed.

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#1.33 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST

Have you noticed how FACEBOOK is really causinmg a lot of issues? I was on it in the start, and now am not. I found that it is rather annoying. People seem to feel the need to announce when they are going to go take whiz or just ate dinner or took a shower...WHO CARES!!!! All those social sites are doing anymore is opening the door to more ways for trouble to start.

Those parents should have known where their kids were. And the area they went to, well you ain't going there to a college party. They went looking for trouble and found it. Sad that more kids have had to die after something hapening on Facebook.

Right on Mayor. You run that city and keep up the good work. I'm glad he had the guts to say what others won't.

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#1.34 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST

The Mayor is correct in his remarks except. . .he owes an apology to dogs.

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#1.35 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST

The Mayor has it right. TOo many parents have kids and then want to be their friends instead of being a parent. Being a parent is hard. Don't breed them if you can't feed and parent them! You are not entitled to anyone's tax dollars to support these types of dumb a@sses.

It's time to thin the herd...

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#1.36 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST

Hallelujah! This man speaks the truth. Right on, Mayor!

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#1.37 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:44 PM EST

First, major KUDOS to the Hon. Mayor for his candid comments! Would you please come to Dallas and/or Richardson, TX and run for Mayor. Maybe even RISD and become the Superintendent. Second, Junicon and others are just enabling and perpetuating the problem today with their comments. We are missing the other problem. Because parents are too busy being friends and not parents, it is okay for these kids to be out on a school night at that age. Like many who have posted, my parents cared enough about me and the adult I would turn into by imposing rules and discipline on me growing up. Teaching me right from wrong and consequences to my actions. That is what is lacking in parents these days. And also, another problem these social websites are causing. New technology apparently has a price!

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#1.38 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST

I worked in a high school for two years. I can tell you one thing today's kids do not back down from a confrontation. Unless it is from a adult and some not even then. The are hyper sensitive to the slightest insult or snub. Even a accidential bump or stepping on a foot can cause fists to fly. At least twice a week I had to break up a fight. Most weeks more often than twice. The don't think about repercussions. Many are armed. The school I worked in is as white as they come and far outlying suburban and we had 5 of these man-children jump on kid and beat him to the floor. They continued to pummel him with fists and kicks until they broke his jaw. All ran out of the school before they were caught. Thank goodness for hallway cameras. Another kid brought two bowie knives to school to settle a score. It just wasn't the boys. The girls are even worse and much more cruel. Parenting? please, you can't teach what you did not learn. I had one troubled 19 year old sophomore's (yes that's true) mother come in my office at 10AM smelling like a month old bar towel in a obviously intoxicated and/or high state. Some kids even come to school after drinking or getting high. We caught kids with liquor in the classroom.

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#1.39 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST

Have to agree with the mayor, and respectfully disagree with those who apparently think parenting means letting your kids do what they want.

My two are almost university graduates, and I have a pretty good idea where they are most of the time. Because I actually parented them (managed to do that with a full-time job), I have children who are respectful young adults - and truthful, too. (Sometimes too honest in their opinions for my liking!)

It is called "parenting" for a reason. You are not there to be their friend (they have enough of those) but to lead by example, teach honesty (my two knew they would be in far more trouble caught in a lie than if they told the truth - no matter how bad), and for the record - spanking is legal. The funny thing about a butt-warming when they are young, is that you don't have to keep doing it over and over - they trust that you say what you mean. Consistency in parenting is one of the biggest areas lacking that I witness in my career; whether parents don't want to make their kids mad, the parents themselves are tired (or absent), or they just give up. Don't sign on for the job unless you plan to follow through, otherwise we have another generation of young people that are self-centered, and quite frankly, not nice to be around.

Another amazing thing happens along the road to adulthood...those kids that you "parent" well by NOT worrying that you're their friend? I have a great relationship with mine, great conversations, and we enjoy each others company...our relationship has definitely evolved into an awesome friendship.

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#1.40 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:24 PM EST

@Robert-2589118

I thought I was the only one who was thinking this way. If I had kids in the home and had a carload of thugs in my driveway, I am not sure how I'd react. I do have guns in the home. I am not sure I can criticize this guy since I was not in this position. How does one know if they are armed? Our police have been responsive but in a lot of areas this is not true. Panic can cause irrational behavior. I also applaud the mayor for his comments. Teen or no teen, they need supervision and curfews.

    #1.41 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

    If a car load of thugs is on the way and you are sitting in wait, you should have had time to call the police to stop anything like this from happening...

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    #1.42 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:48 PM EST

    Many of you are asking where are the parents. I'd say right about now they are planning the funerals of their children. How very noble of you all to slander dead children and the parents who now have to bury them. Does this make you feel better? You should be ashamed.

      #1.43 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:30 AM EST
      Comment author avatarTanya Mosesvia Facebook

      This is a tragedy. how could something like this possibly happen? All because parents do not know what their children are doing and who they are doing it with. When my children were young, I knew who they associated with and their parents. I always knew where they were or going to be. Most of all at night they would always be at home and in bed at a decent time.

        #1.44 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:01 PM EST

        I am not defending the father but there are many cases where in certain areas, police take their time in responding or don't respond at all.

          #1.45 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM EST
          Reply

          Where to I go to vote to re-elect this guy? Hell, I'll do a write in vote for President. First damn sensible politician I've heard in years. Thank you for speaking the truth. It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a parent. Villages raise IDIOTS.

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          Reply#2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:46 PM EST

          Amen to that!!! He's absolutely right. It's tragic all around, but entirely unnecessary and avoidable.

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          #2.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST

          I believe he's totally correct about the kids but I'm not sure that I totally agree with the comments about the dad - shooter. I believe that if I knew some kids were on their way to my house to beat up my kids (or step-kids) I would be armed and waiting myself.

          From this story, I don't believe the kids that were killed would have lived to a ripe old age anyway.

          • 5 votes
          #2.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST

          The parents didn't get any sugar coating from this mayor! I'm proud of him for not adding any "Nutter Butter".

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          #2.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST

          It's about time a politian spoke the truth and not worry about offending people and worry about the next election.

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          #2.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST

          It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a parent. Villages raise IDIOTS.

          Thank you - Thank you - Thank you!! This sentiment has been abused for far too long!! This statement had valid meaning in the past. But now, it is used as an excuse to cover for poor parenting. It doesn't take a village, it takes one devoted, responsible, loving parent (biological or not).

          And kudos to the mayor for speaking the truth and placing the blame with the people who created the ENTIRE tragedy. And still, like everyone, I am very sorry for the family and friends of the children who lost thier lives.

          • 5 votes
          #2.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST
          Reply

          WHY!?!?!?

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          Reply#3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST

          This man needs to run for President.

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          Reply#4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST

          He'd never make it. A politician has to be able to convince people how much they enjoy the taste of $h!t while kissing their @$$e$.

          But if his name appears on the ballot - he's got my vote.

          • 3 votes
          #4.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:09 PM EST
          Reply

          Right On Mayor Nutter! America needs more straight talking, responsible politicians like this.

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          Reply#5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST

          Murder?

          They got what they deserved.

          Seven kids coming to my house to try to beat up my three kids would get the same thing.

          Its a shame his aim wasn't better; he missed three of them.

          • 22 votes
          #6 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST

          Yes...it was murder. He as equally as stupid (if not more stupid) than those kids. He had advance notice they were coming and he was WAITING for them with a deadly weapon. Is there some reason he could not have dialed 911 and involved the police? No. He had enough time to dig out his oozie and wait for them...he could have waited for the police too.

          Murder? Yes...100%

          This was a tragedy that could have been prevented at a number of different levels and this guy was another adult that should have shown better judgement.

          • 26 votes
          #6.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST

          I agree!

          • 2 votes
          #6.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST

          Amen Brother! Sounds like self defense to me. I wouldnt know if those 7 kids are armed to the teeth or not. I sure as hell am not going to risk my kids lives to wait and found out. Lock, load and open fire!

          • 10 votes
          #6.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST

          Really Steve?

          • 5 votes
          #6.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST

          They were kids. Stupid kids, but still kids. If the adults in the room aren't the ones making informed decisions regarding the safety of the CHILDREN in their care, tragedy happens.

          • 4 votes
          #6.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST

          I would like to see someone call the cops, telling them that their might be a carload of kids coming over to fight my kids. Assuming you could get the cops to show up, they aren't going to hang around all night waiting for them to show up. If you call them when the kids arrive, by the time the cops show up, whatever was going to happen, has happened.

          • 17 votes
          #6.6 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST

          It was absolutely not self defense. He could easily have called the cops. Even if the law allows you to own guns, it does not allow you to shoot teenagers. Children dying is always a tragedy, no matter how stupid they were behaving.

          • 4 votes
          #6.7 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:20 PM EST

          If Baretta was in bed and these kids came crashing through the windows with weapons then I would agree with the self-defense plea, but not in this case. He had advance knowledge they were coming and could have taken other means to diffuse the problem, but he chose to escalate it to a level that was not necessary. The Mayor was not only right by saying those kids should have had their little butts home in bed, but also right in saying "if you want to act like an a-hole then you will be hunted down" (reference to Baretta's STUPID reaction.)

          So Jonathan...you can "Amen" to Baretta all you want, but do the same thing and you find yourself in prison.

          • 3 votes
          #6.8 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST

          Ahh yes lets all react like thugs and bring a gun to fight with kids, and yes these were kids. Yes this father is a hero. s/. Really? A bunch of kids coming to his house instead of handling it like an adult he takes out a gun and shoots before the kids are even out of the car. And you people think this was a good thing? And for those that think this is the parents fault, you must have grown up in a sheltered life if you don't think kids lie to stay out later all the time. Studying/working/ etc are all excuses these kids could have used and you don't know, but yes, blame the victims and the parents and not the guy with the semi-automatic rifle in his driveway shoooting up a car full of teenagers.

          • 2 votes
          #6.9 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST

          I would rather be in prison till the day I died than morn the death of my children till the day I died. They sure as hell wasnt coming over for a play date they where coming to perform bodily harm that could very easily result in the deaths of my children. Over my dead body!

          • 10 votes
          #6.10 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST

          Jon...you are a complete idiot and a shining example of someone who should not possess firearms.

          • 3 votes
          #6.11 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:38 PM EST

          Oilman I hope that you dont have children that you would offer up to a mob while you hide in a closet. Coward!

          • 7 votes
          #6.12 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST

          Jon - I'm a former combat veteran (now a Naval Reserve Captain) and have seen more gunfire than your stupid Rambo-wanna-be ass will ever see so spare me with that ridiculous "guarding my cubs" rhetoric. I come from the perspective that "cooler heads prevail" and, because of that, I've saved lives and diffused potentially deadly situations. That's why a guy like me is in charge and you are not. Now STFU and stop embarrassing yourself more than you already are.

          • 7 votes
          #6.13 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST

          My father was a Marine Veteran of Foreign Wars in Cuba and Vietnam. My father was hard on me. I was trained in fire arms at the age of 3. I sure as hell was not raised to turn the other cheeck while others are in mortal danger. You comment that my kids are Cubs as in they are animals though is very telling. Also your a navy guy that also very telling.

          • 4 votes
          #6.14 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST

          You're in charge of what Oilman? You're not in charge of Jonathan's home, and he has a right to protect it as necessary. Jeesh, what's up with all these "former combat veterans" (like that's something special considering YOU VOLUNTEERED and was paid, you know as in mercenary) who think they are the "know all kings of the rest of us". Hell, I haven't met one yet that wasn't a complete fruit loop and haven't found one yet that can out shoot me at the range. Any monkey can pull a trigger.....so STFU Naval Reserve Captain and go take a swim.

          • 6 votes
          #6.15 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM EST

          I am thinking "premeditated" murder. The man had knowledge of a "facebook fight", it was mentioned that there was an "invitation" to come to the house to fight, and the only "adult" in the situation chose to get his AK and wait in ambush for the car to pull in the driveway.

          Yes-parents of these children are greiving, but, I can guarantee you, they are asking themselves, "why werent their "butts in bed" also. Where did they go wrong as parents? Hopefully, they will find solice in the answers before any of them lose any more children.

          • 1 vote
          #6.16 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:12 PM EST

          Amen Jonathan. I swear, I'm sick of these "combat veterans" who think they can shoot better, kill better, or know more than everyone else. LOL, what a joke. I've known A BUNCH of veterans including many family members, and the only ones that have any intelligence to them are the ones that GOT OUT ASAP, and now make fun of the service branches they left. All of them say it was the biggest mistake of their lives LOL!

          • 2 votes
          #6.17 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST

          "Any monkey can pull a trigger"...ya David...I know how true that is. I can also see you have the common sense of a monkey too. You sound like one of my dumber-than-a-barrel-of-hair sailors trying to tell me how "it was all the other guy's fault" that he got into a bar fight.

          Like I said...cooler heads prevail...which is why I'm not going to bother wasting my time trying to get you two idiots to see the forest from the trees. Go back to your bongs.

          

          • 2 votes
          #6.18 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:26 PM EST

          What ever happened to a shot accross the bow? Certainly the kids in the car would have backed off if they were aware a gun was in play. But no, Rambo hides in the bushes and opens fire at heads as soon as they pull up. Sounds like murder to me

          • 2 votes
          #6.19 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST

          I still would protect my kids at any cost. But if those seven teenagers had lived up to the following four would be alive today. I offer this up to you OilmanMD in kindness.

          As you press on for justice, be sure to move with dignity and discipline, using only the weapon of love. Let no man pull you so low as to hate him. Always avoid violence. If you succumb to the temptation of using violence in your struggle, unborn generations will be the recipients of a long and desolate night of bitterness, and your chief legacy to the future will be an endless reign of meaningless chaos.

          Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love.

          Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction ... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

          Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.

            #6.20 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST

            Jon - Nice gesture. And I agree with you in protecting your children at any cost...I would do the same. My point is that, in this case, Barreta had other options at his disposal that would have prevented the deaths of these 4 misguided juveniles. He wasn't "backed into a corner" with no other option than to start blasting.

            I will aslo add that if Barreta had ALSO lived up to what you wrote in your last comment we would not be having this discussion right now.

            • 1 vote
            #6.21 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST

            There was definitely a lack of gun control in this whole situation. If there had been proper control there would have been 7 wannabe criminals-turned-victims instead of three.

            As for the self-defense claim, he should not have been waiting outside. He should have waited until they presented a more deliberate threat before dropping the hammer on them. A lesson learned from the lady who dropped the thug trying to get into the house. I would have been waiting for the thugs inside. There is no law requiring a person to even close or lock their doors to their house. Just because a door is unlocked or open doesn't mean anybody or everybody is invited in. Once they are inside making threats and brandishing weapons they are fair game.

            There will surely be some that will say I should call the cops but the cops are responders, not protectors. Their job is to enforce the laws not protect the citizens.

              #6.22 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:25 PM EST

              I thought it was to serve and protect.

                #6.23 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:49 AM EST
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                I wish that we had more black leaders like Mr. Nutter. A man with conviction in a society rapidly going down hill....

                • 21 votes
                Reply#7 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST

                Why just black leaders? If he had been white would you have thought differently? Would there have been a outcry that he was being racist? The color of the mayor's skin does not matter. He's right - period.

                • 17 votes
                #7.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST

                If the mayor was white...this would not be about the kids not being home where they should have been. It would be be about a racist white mayor!

                  #7.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST

                  DSB: I agree with all parts of your argument. If the mayor was white some would have argued that he was being racist. What the major said is "dead on" regardless of skin color.

                  • 6 votes
                  #7.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST

                  I wish that we had more black leaders like Mr. Nutter.

                  I wish we had more leaders like Mayor Nutter of ANY color. Just reading the response of an actual adult was a refreshing change.

                  Please consider running for President, sir. I don't care what party -- I'll vote for you.

                  • 2 votes
                  #7.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM EST
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                  I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!

                  • 20 votes
                  Reply#8 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST

                  Absolutely correct... and we don't need any Nanny Government promoters to say he was politically incorrect. We all know he was politically incorrect... but socially correct. If parents want smaller Government and less taxes, they need to do their own jobs and stop relying upon More and more and more intervention.

                  • 17 votes
                  Reply#9 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST

                  What's this? A politician spouting the hard truth? The honest truth? This situation was entirely avoidable.

                  • 21 votes
                  Reply#10 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST

                  Absolutely. The mayor's name may be "Nutter," but the guy speaks with more common sense than any politician I've heard lately!

                  • 6 votes
                  #10.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST
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                  I love this guy, why the heck cant we have more like him in politics! Oh wait, because you have to be a suck and be politically correct and have no personality, thats the only way we will vote you in.... stupid mob thinking.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#11 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST

                  While I'm sorry for the loss of these three kids lives, the Mayor is absolutely correct, 14 years olds have no business out on a school night or any other night, their parents need to take responsibility and be parents. While it won't bring these boys back, I hope his message gets through to a few parents out there allowing their kids to run wild.

                  • 17 votes
                  Reply#12 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST

                  Fantastic. Applause, applause, applause. If only we could have more stand up politicians like this! He was absolutely correct on all accounts.

                  • 18 votes
                  Reply#13 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST
                  Comment author avatarDonna Owenvia Facebook

                  Amen! I'd vote for this guy for President. How do we sign him up?

                  • 14 votes
                  Reply#14 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST

                  Maybe we could all turn him into a write-in candidate and shock the the hell out of all those trying to be the next president by demonstrating that we're sick of the political, big money games.

                  • 1 vote
                  #14.1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:37 PM EST
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                  The guy was a little too trigger-happy. If he had waited until they broke into his home or attacked his children he could have shot them legally, at least in my state.

                  • 11 votes
                  Reply#15 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST

                  Does Philly have a curfew? In my city, a major metro area nationally known for violence, we were having so many young people like this wind up dead or dealing drugs as a result of "after hours" activities, our city passed curfew laws. The curfew adresses the legal issue of holding parents responsible for knowing where their child is, because it's written in the law. Many other smaller municipalities also have curfews in an effort to stem exactly what happened to these youths.

                  If Philly wants to stem this kind of violence, they're gonna have to enact laws and create programs focused on this problem. Regardless, I offer my condolences to the parents of these teens.

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#16 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST

                  AWESOME!! Finally someone not afraid to say what needs to be said.

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#17 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST
                  Comment author avatarMortimer SnerdbaumExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Yes. Thats the way to enforce a curfew. Just shoot them. Yeah lets make that guy president. We need another heartless bastard in office again. He can jump start the economy by starting another war in Iraq. Of course all the gutless armchair warriors cheering him on will get to put another gold sticky star on for cheering him on.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#18 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST

                  Mortimer
                  So you disagree with what he said? Parents don't have a responsibility to keep an eye on their kids? That it's ok for 14 year-olds to be out at night looking for trouble? Are you a 14 year-old?

                  • 8 votes
                  #18.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST

                  dsb, so you live in a box and have never known a child to lie to their parents to stay out later, or have never done it yourself in your youth. Were you ever 14? If you were then you know damn well that this is not out of the realm of possibility and we don't know. 14 year oldslie to their parents all the time to be able to stay out later or hang out different places. Open your eyes.

                  I'm not saying the parents couldn't have done more but to make it so black and white is to not understand reality.

                    #18.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST

                    You're a complete idiot Mortimer. God, how I hate your kind; the mayor is 100% correct.....it's PC fools like you that have done their best to RUIN this country. Please, please, don't breed, we have way too many bleeding heart liberal FOOLS hurting our ONCE great nation as it is. How I wish the smart REAL Americans, black and white, could rise up and wipe the slate clean of humanoids like Mortimer and their ilk. Hey Mortimer, I can assure you I'm not gutless, you come over to my home with a car load of thugs with harmful intentions and see what happens.....

                    • 2 votes
                    #18.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST

                    Keithsn I can honestly tell you NO, I did not sneak out or lie to my parents because they would have beat my arse. My 17 year old has to be in by 9 on a school night or there will be hell to pay and she knows it.

                    It's just that attitude, "we all did it and so will they" that allows this type of behavior to be explained away but the truth is we ALL didn't do it and all kids don't do it- they only do it if they have no respect or expectation of consequences.

                      #18.4 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST

                      Mortimer.....You are absolutely right! I have had enough of the heartless bastard that has been in office for the past three years! Increasing troop strength in Afghanistan, leaving Gitmo open, giving himself the power to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinetly without even charges required. He has dropped bombs in Libya while leading from behind, supported Al-Qaeda taking over Egypt and now civilians are being killed by the military. Yeah he is a heartless bastard and I hope he is voted out of office in about 10 months.

                        #18.5 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:20 PM EST
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                        The parents of the teens should be charged with child abuse and child neglect. The shooter should just get probation. He was protecting his family!!! He should have called the police, but it is unlikely he had time or that they would do anything.

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#19 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST

                        He sure won't be able to protect them while he rots away in a jail cell!

                        • 3 votes
                        #19.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:13 PM EST

                        No time? Had time to get his rifle and wait for them in the driveway. how long do you think it takes to make a phone call, or even to lock a door adn not wait outside with a loaded gun and start shooting before the people are ven out of the car. Yes, this father is a real mature hero.

                        • 2 votes
                        #19.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST

                        I'm with Connielogg; too bad he missed a few of the thugs.

                          #19.3 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST
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                          This is without question, an act of idiocy, on part of the perpetrator and the victims. This too showcases how certain ethnic groups choose to handle situations with little regard for humanity and the law. The mindset of these ethnicity's manner of settling a dispute is boggling. Violence begets violence. Mr. Nutter, thanks for calling a spade a spade! Alas, more social programs to perpetrate the lifestyle of violence, drug use, and non-parenting skills.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#20 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST

                          Honestly, when was the last time a politician ever told the REAL truth? So many politicians get up there and make some statement about how this was a "senseless act of violence" and a "tragedy for the community." The truth hurts, and Mayor Nutter couldn't have said it any better.

                          This dude really needs to run for President, we need some common sense in Washington!

                          • 8 votes
                          Reply#21 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST

                          You want to have kids? Take care of them.”

                          The most refreshing thing I have heard from a black leader in some time.

                          • 11 votes
                          Reply#22 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST

                          most refreshing thing from any leader in a long time

                          • 16 votes
                          #22.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST
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                          A 30 year old man shooting 14 year old kids piled in a car. What an incredibly stupid thing to do. Mr. Tough Guy.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#23 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST

                          he was defending his family which he has the right to do. that's what makes America great

                          • 1 vote
                          #23.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:12 PM EST
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                          If 7 teenagers come into my driveway to beat up someone in my house, they will get the same thing. Except I am a better shot, and will go 7 for 7.

                          • 7 votes
                          Reply#24 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST

                          So when they show up in the driveway you will just indiscriminatly shoot them all. Your an idiot. I would protect my children as well, but your statement is moronic.

                          • 4 votes
                          #24.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST

                          Now why would they have a reason to target someone in your house? Would you allow your kid or stepkid to tread into a circumstance where others would come seeking physical violence for some action of your guardee?

                          I respect your anger and social display of power, but your logic walked out towards left field and disappeared.

                          • 2 votes
                          #24.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST
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                          It starts at home. I was not alowed to go anywhere on a school night unless it was a school function. I was 18 years old before I coulod go out on a school night. I remember the quote form my dad, may he rest in peace, "As long as you live under my roof, you will follow my rules!" If some punks came to my house to pick a fight with my child. I would protect my child, too. But unless they had teir own weapons, or they had broke into his house, it is murder by law.

                          • 12 votes
                          Reply#25 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST

                          Possibly the best comment! I had the same experience as you VideoDude... And while we must not forget that several young people have lost their lives the important point is that there must be accountability for all people involved in this tragic situation...

                          • 1 vote
                          #25.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST

                          I was 18 years old before I even held the keys to my house. You sneak out at night and you better have some magic dust to get you back into the house - especially on a school night.

                          • 2 votes
                          #25.2 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST
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