No one represents everyone. But I love how they scare you.

Little guy - Trust me I am not scared and they represent no one but people with nothing to do on a given night.

They represent anyone who's been affected by the corrupt kleptocracy that is the American economy, or is at least has the basic human decency to be sickened by the massive job and home losses.

They DO NOT REPRESENT ME. I have been working since I was 11, baby-sitting 3-5 nights a week. I started paying taxes at 17. I worked thru 2 pregnancies, even drove myself from my job to the hospital to deliver my second, 2 months early. As for the people who are being foreclosed on? 99% deserve it. They are being foreclosed on because they were greedy and pulled non-existing equity out of their homes to spend on non-essentials like, granite counter-tops, wood floors, and vacations in exotic places. Then when they lost their jobs they waited until their un-employment ran out before they started to look for a new one. And, that job had to pay at least as much as the one they'd lost or they wouldn't even apply. These people are as responsibile for where this country is as the greedy bankers they are prostesting against.

really?!?!?!....please try to "occupy" a job interview instead of the unemployment line. I have yet to see an occupy individual who actually has a job that they need to go to. It must be nice to protest a government that gives you what you need while you bitch about how they are doing it. If you really dont like it here..let me and some of my fellow veterans know..and we will be happy to load up your crap and move you south of the border...then you can "occupy" starvation! bottom line...if you arent doing anything to help...quit bitchin!

a job interview instead of the unemployment line. I have yet to see an occupy individual who actually has a job that they need to go to. It must be nice to protest a government that gives you what you need while you bitch about how they are doing it.

I don't know why they don't It's easy to get a job.

Pat...Agree with much of what you say. Banksters and people sucking all the money out of their homes as they possibly could. But all that borrowing did create millions of jobs. All thoase new homes being built and upgrades to existing homes created lots of jobs. Jobs will not recover until the housing market comes back into balance.

My wife and I both have jobs. Make good money. Pay taxes every year. I have only collected unemployment for 5 weeks in the 40 years I have worked since I was 16. OWS has just as much right to protest as anyone else. The deluded lie that all ows supporters are unemployed are just that. Deluded thoughts from closed minded people.

CEOs rake in huge sums when their companies go bankrupt

How power and influence helped big banks rewrite the rules of our economy

All hail the NDAA, SOPA, PIPA, ACTA.

Roll up your Constitution and smoke it, because that's about all its good for now.

I'm sorry, but, this is a result of politics gone too far.

Kent State was similar. People with an agenda stoking young people who don't really understand what they are told to act like this.

There have been a few churches offering shelter to these kids only to have church items stolen or damaged.

What they are advertising to the whole business community that they don't respect anything. Fat chance if they are ever recognized for them ever to earn millions.

@bicfi

The most amazing part of this is that the OWS protests have been very non-violent for the most part considering the size of the protests.

Ironically, if the OWS or the Tea Party did effective, violent protests like in Syria or Libya, they would be called terrorists.

Yet many have no problem with us supporting violent protest abroad.

You have to hand it to the tea party, their plan to attack non-conservative GOPers state by state was a lot more effective than the OWS movement.

What the OWS needs is a better plan.

The OWS must not read or listen to the news.

About 75 per cent of Americans say it's time to stop this useless exercise.

Maybe they should keep on going, because it keeps the bums warm.

It's OVER, OWS---keep getting arrested. The Taxpayers are being punished, by your want for Attention.

Go back to Mama. She's waiting.

They represent me as well. Lots of you talk about things you have no idea or even understand about. Communist? I live in communist country for 15 years and you mind telling what aspect is communist? Please enlightenment with something you can't even understand about.

I read all comments and most of you just cover your eyes and ears and pretend nothing happen to this country. Have even traveled outside of your local area? I bet most of you still haven't even travel more than 100 miles away from where you live.

To say that the current economic or state of politic doesn't affect you are pure IGNORANT. The full never understand hunger unless they have no food for a while. Remind me of a rich person who said "If you don't have bread, why not eat meat?"

There is a difference between peaceful protests and illegal trespassing. When these Occupy protesters cut through the fence to illegally trespass on the property the police were 100% correct to address them. These protesters have been doing nothing more than illegally occupying both public and private property while also leaving a great deal of damage and destruction in their wake. They deny others access to and use of public parks and facilities to suit their own purposes. They have absolutely no respect for anyone's property other than their own.

These protesters do not represent the 99% they claim to. They represent the bottom 1% of society. They want the government nanny state to hand them everything instead of having to work for it. Unfortunately for them, life does not work that way!!! It is about time these protesters start learning to take care of themselves instead of sitting around waiting for the government to give them handouts and take care of their needs.

From what I've heard, OWS defecated, urinated, forced businesses to close, fornicated, left camps in shambles, drugs. I also heard the Tea Party movement aquired proper permits, caused no civil disruption, had a plan, left the area as clean as when they arrived, and didn't cost the taxpayers millions in security and clean up. What struck me, a few months ago, was when the OWS tried to pull a MIC CHECK at a Ron Paul speech. Thats what sold me to the fact that the Occupy Movement is a disorganized band of asses with no real leadership. I mean, PROTEST RON PAUL ABOUT BANKS?? The OWS movement should get their head out of their asses and park in front of the White House, in one of the various Federal Reserve offices in this country.

"A marching band dressed in pink and black tutus and neon pick tights also was in the crowd."

THAT right there is a visual I can live without.

I guess they started feeling ignored, so they had to start some sort of trouble. I like how they are making power plays by threatening the government with blockades and shutdowns.

I suppose most people are blind to what is happening here.

It's outright protest and rebellion. They can hide behind their own self righteousness, but it doesn't change the facts.

They are disgruntled individuals who want to take their frustrations out on the standing government. This is nothing new or unheard of. It has happened to every nation or government that has ever grown on the face of this planet. Times get hard, get ready to face protestors.

I like how OWS thinks they're something special when they're simply following the most basic patterns of primitive man. I just sigh and laugh, and pray it doesn't get too out of hand (for the sake of this nation I hope it can remain under control).

it's way cooler to break the law.

guy-2789881

OWS has just as much right to protest as anyone else.

Yeah, it's all of the other BS they try to pass off as "protesting" that's the problem.

I am starting to support these guys. They are starting to occupy the real threat. We need to withthrow this people that think that they represent us in the political power. We have become a nation of warmongers. Next we need to Occupy the White House and withthrow the dictator from his maxistism. We need to get the power back to the people instead of the stupid politician. We have became a police state. This country is going down the path of Nazi Germany. We are more like the Republic of China then United States of America. Welcome the the U.S.S.A. Hail Obam,Hail Obama. NOT!!! Piss on the establishment.

Were any of you who dislike the OWSers, affected by the collapse of the economy between 2005 and now? When you have systems were people can get rich betting against the economy and recovery - then you have a system that is insane. What logical person would defend such a system?

Is it the broken system you like, or just an uncontrollable need to lash out against certain types of people you dislike, regardless of the issues? Just because the broken system didn't affect you - doesn't mean it isn't broken. Just because the robber barons didn't get you last time - doesn't mean they are not plotting new strategies to get you next time. If they are not made to face their wrong doings - then you can bet they will do it again. Not being held accountable just says - go ahead screw us again...we liked it.

Same people who didn't like the bailouts - are now defending those who got the bailouts or did the bailing. Trying to follow you people is a trip...a really bad trip.

What they don't seem to understand is that the 'revolution part' is now over. If there's any actual fighting to be done, it'd done by the 535 treasonous bastards under the dome. So here's what I'd recommend to them:

What they need to do .. IF they are serious about anything other than destruction of private property.. is to pool their energy, time and money (if they have any after paying damages)

...and get behind a candidate or two - get them elected - and allow them to work from the inside. Just as was done with the current Marxist in chief. (That seemed to work pretty well)

These people are still around?!? I thought they had gotten the message and went home. Just goes to show the relative intelligence level of the Occupy herd in CA. Yes, they should be arrested, breaking the law is breaking the law. Claiming to be part of Occupy does not grant them a pass from being law-abiding. And no, they do not represent me and never will. I was not raised to be a spoiled "gimme gimme" out of touch with reality brat. Nor should I have to pay for them to pursue that lifestyle.

"Mr." Miller, it is a great thing that OWS is not "lead" by you. IF these protesters were violent (I have my doubts, propaganda is a big tool of the establishment) then, by definition, they were NOT OWS protesters. The OWS movement is defined by it's non-violent stance. If you cannot recognize the significance of America having the biggest income gap in it's history and nearly, in the world, then I pity you. I have paid taxes since I was 12 y.o., etc..I support, wholeheartedly the non-violent OWS movement. It's clearly stated goals of a much more fair wealth distribution, caring for the neediest among us, removing corporate control of government, etc.., are goals any compassionate person should strive for. If our corporate owned government would bargain for pharmaceutical prices (as does every other nation in the world) and put people before profits, America (like every civilized nation in the world) could have universal health care while saving billions of dollars, the C.B.O. agrees and has the figures to prove it. If Americans were taxed progressively (as was the case from the great depression until Ronald Reagan) our wealth distribution would be much more fair and average people (who are the deserving class) could prosper and even take vacations. Two hundred thousand a year is not an average income. I am College educated and retired from the carpenters union.I don't care what propaganda you believe about unions read some books on the labor struggle. It is the only justified War that Americans have fought since Korea. It was fought by civillians against corporate owned thugs .Financial equality WILL be won in America, eventually. When that happens, then the possibility for other RIGHTS to be realized. Until then remember this very true saying: United We Stand, Divided we FALL. Fight for justice not your own selfish interests.

@md - please provide proof of your assertions. For one the OWS movement has been defined by it's lack of ability to create and support a consistent platform. Many of the sites have been violent, to the point of death, and have obstructed they very people they claim to represent from their lively-hood. As for taxing progressively, which we still do, to some extent. I believe it was Reagan who told the story how he would only make X amount of money per year. If he went over that amount, the vast majority of his earnings went to the govt. He didn't see the point of his working hard to give the money to the govt. Honestly, the more money we give to the govt. the more they waste it. I would rather keep my money in my pocket and insist we have a fiscally responsible govt. But they consider it more important to continue to waste money, squandering it on future votes. No more to the govt. And if we are forced to give more, than the 47% that gives nothing and in many cases, receive more back than they put in, should give their % as well. No more free lunch, everyone needs to be responsible, not just a few.

This is the opinion of a person who has been unemployed more than once and detects a high liklihood that it is approaching again. The "occupy" folks broke into private and state controlled properties. Damage has been done. Is "nothing" to be done about it? Let them be? They have "earned" their arrests.

We hear platitudes and complaints. The jobs are going overseas. Efforts to stimulate job growth are not effective. It's the rich folks, it's the politicians.

How to change the system; self-employment, pull up your roots and go where the jobs are, and voting. How about forming a "union?"

If I become unemployed again I know what I am going to do; what I have to do. But protesting will get me nothing but lost time.

There are so many of you out there saying these people don't represent the 99% and that they are just looking for handouts and don't want to work. Have you people heard of corporate welfare, check it out. Why are the top companies that are making billions in profit still getting handouts from the government? Open your eyes.

Everybody is so tough behind their computer. ;)

While some of the OWS crowd has not acted in an appropriiate manner, I beleive their message (for the most part) is spot on. People who are complaining about the OWS are in affect support corporate greed. In this instance, the anti OWS people are useful idiots, stuck in their "Matrix" and sindle dimensional thinking.

@willowbrook

IT is so nice to see all the republican talking points. You should give a class on how to properly post all the points of Fox News and Rupert Murdock.

Let's see here....

"OWS movement has been defined by it's lack of ability to create and support a consistent platform." Please provide proof of your assertions! This sounds like Fox News propaganda.

"to the point of death" When OAKLAND police, and this is Oakland correct, almost kill someone you then blame it on the movement? I bet you believed that Iraq had WMD because GWB said so right?

"Reagan who told the story how he would only make X amount of money per year. If he went over that amount, the vast majority of his earnings went to the govt. He didn't see the point of his working hard to give the money to the govt." This point is totally irrelevant. If Ronald Reagan didn't want to work to make more money, and he obviously did keep working, then that was his issue. During the 40's and 50's when the top income bracket was near 90% did that stop the rich from making more money, NO! So for any conservative, republican, tea party, corporatist to say what you are saying is propaganda pure and simple. It is designed for you, and you are part of the 99%, to feel sorry for the uber wealthy and give them a tax break.

"the more money we give to the govt. the more they waste it." Good point, but please enlighten me on where the waste is.

FY 2011 Defense - 25%, Healthcare - 23%, Social Security - 21%, Welfare - 13%, INTEREST - 5%

There is the top 5 items for the Federal government. So let's cut defense, healthcare (Medicaid etc to Seniors), Social Security (Another hit to Seniors), Welfare (which by the way includes Food stamps, unemployment insurance, worker's comp, and housing assistance). You can't cut the interest payments so there you have it. Where do you want to cut?

"the 47% that gives nothing and in many cases, receive more back than they put in, should give their % as well. No more free lunch, everyone needs to be responsible, not just a few." Another Conservative talking point. Please do your homework.

As of 2009, the top 1% pay 36% of income taxes. The bottom 50% pay 2.25% As for their burden, (sorry but 2007 is the latest I could find on short notice) The top 1% owns 42.7% of the wealth, the next 19% owns 50.3%. The BOTTOM 80% owns 7%.

Sorry Willow, but these are facts. You want the bottom 47% to "give their % as well," but you fail to notice that they don't have a share to give. 1 year ago I was near to top 15%. Today, because of one failure I am part of the bottom 80%. Did I give my fair share, YES! In the end it didn't matter, the game is rigged and it is against you just like it was for me. Unless you are being paid to type your non-sense, and that is perverse in every way of the word WORK, you are a victim of the same propaganda the cause to rise of the Nazi's. DO YOUR HOMEWORK and not through rose colored glasses.

Are there people who live of the government for free, YES. Are there people who game the system, YES. What you fail to realize, is the the top 1% also live off the government and game the system. They just do it better than the poor folk that you want to demonize and they make a ton more money than you will ever make doing it. That is the problem, not that we give money to people who need help. Not that we want to give healthcare to Seniors. Not that we want to give people who paid unemployment insurance when they were working actual money for being unemployed. It is the American dream to get rich. It is also the fabric of America that we help out those who can't help themselves. Don't step on those who can't so that you can feel better about yourself. Be a pillar in your world and actually stand up for those who can't. That is what the OWS movement is about.

Has it been corrupted by some, yes. All movements are corrupted by someone else with an agenda. Look at the Tea Party movement. Grass roots right? Dick Army and his Freedomworks is not grass roots, but it is big business corrupting the movement. The same can be said for the fringe lunatics in the OWS movement.

I'm done, have a great day!

Tyler/sally; look at all the collapsed comments, just because a person has a opposite view does not mean they should be collapsed; this is censorship at it's worse.

The OWS must not read or listen to the news.

About 75 per cent of Americans say it's time to stop this useless exercise.

Maybe they should keep on going, because it keeps the bums warm.

It's OVER, OWS---keep getting arrested. The Taxpayers are being punished, by your want for Attention.

Go back to Mama. She's waiting.

Why doesn't Oakland send a bill for the millions of dollars of damage they've done to those they arrested? I wonder if the damage would stop when they realize they are going to be paying for the damage they do for the rest of their lives?

Why doesn't Oakland send a bill for the millions of dollars of damage they've done to those they arrested? I wonder if the damage would stop when they realize they are going to be paying for the damage they do for the rest of their lives?

NONE of these bums have jobs. Can't get blood from a stone.

America (like every civilized nation in the world) could have universal health care while saving billions of dollars

Yes.. Clearly our government is well known for it's 'sound' fiscal policy and exceptional money management skills ..

$600.00 for toilet seats... Credit score downgrade (first ever) .. 15 trillion dollar debt, and climbing every second... Social Security now operating underwater.... schools being closed.. because we can't afford to get the toxic substances out of the structures, or pay the teachers...

The president himself ... on national tv saying.. "I cannot guarantee those payments will out out to Social Security recipients or the military." Is this REALLY the bunch you want, determining whether or not you're going to live or die, should you unfortunately have a health crisis right in the middle of a budget debate??

You live in a dream world my friend.

@ Peel-layer - you are too funny! "Willowbrook should be arrested for not having common-sense" I about spit my coffee on my monitor. Sorry Charlie, I'm actually known for my common sense and ability to work through problems and fix things. I'll be laughing the rest of the day over that one.

@ FrankG 1. I don't listen/watch Fox News or read anything by Murdoch, the information is all over, it is so many who waste their time on places like Huffington, or CNN opinion news. 2. Just so you know I'm a Conservative. 3. I wish I had more time to answer your post, but the bottom line is this country was founded with the OPPORTUNITY to create wealth, not to take it from the rich to give to those not as rich. I wish you well on regaining what you had. You will probably get their faster if you first adjust your attitude. A. No one owes you anthing. B. If you stop creating your own problems with you beliefs.

1 year ago I was near to top 15%. Today, because of one failure I am part of the bottom 80%. Did I give my fair share, YES! In the end it didn't matter, the game is rigged and it is against you just like it was for me

That is an attitude you need to set aside. You had a failure, use your intelligence and build again with it, now knowing not to make the same mistake again. I am no where near the top 15%, and perfectly happy that way. My skills are best suited to those that help a company stay in business, not create and lead a business. I accept that and do the best I can in my capacity. I've been rewarded for that and that's good enough for me. I have all I need to live, I don't have things I can't afford and don't get them on credit "now" because I deserve it. I'm on my third career, though no fault of my own. This is not where I thought I would be when I left college, but that's OK. The economy has changed much in those years and I had to change with it. P.S. The small business I work for stayed in business in this Recession because we didn't do the stupid things Obama said, like use up our Line of Credit. You don't increase your debt when you have no indication you will be able to repay it. (AKA Solyndra)

Would like to say more, especially about the poor, since I grew up, much poorer than the vast majority of the poor of today, but that will be for another day.

They should be immediately arrested and charged with rioting and destruction of property. Their property and monetary funds of any kind should be confiscated and used to pay for damages. Any welfare, food stamps or Unemployment should immediately be stopped. Tax payers should in no way shape of form should have to pay for these deadbeats. If elected officials are unable to enforce the laws, there are others who will. They don't represent anyone except themselves.

I think the photo at the beginning of this story of OWS protesters burning the American flag tells everyone everything they need to know about the OWS movement.

The only 99 percent of ANYTHING they represent are the Obama voters.

For those who LOVE the OWS, which has now turned into a Nomad Protest, they destroyed a Children's museum, with the children's art work it in. Aren't they so compassionate. Children do not matter, either.

Oakland is really battling a War with the group of Hoodlums---The Mayor came out and listed all the destruction they have committed to the city of Oakland. Immense.

Who would support such a group of Terrorist like people? They should go to the Old Gospel Mission and stay there; feeding them food, lecturing them on being productive in Society.

No sympathy here; "It's the Children". They don't care who is ruined--most are probably mentally deficit.

P.S. to Frank, I didn't vote you down, and don't understand why anyone else did. But then there seems to be a huge hate-fest happening on this thread, must be a bunch of cranky people on today.

Financially, I may "fit" into your flakey 99% theory but you all lost me when you burned our flag. Don't burn the flag and hide behind the freedoms that flag represents as a reason to do so. We have good, honest hard working people fighting every day, putting their lives on the line to defend what that flag represents and you freakin morons have the audicity to burn it? Get over yourselves! Enough already! You couldn't make a valid point so now you turn to intentional civil disobedience and ruining Old glory - not to mention artwork created by CHILDREN?!?! How do you possibly think ANYONE will continue to take your "cause" seriously??? What's gonna happen is, a bunch of pissed off people you like to think you represent will show up and beat the piss out of as many of you useless oxygen thieves as possible - probably most of you since you can't put together a good idea with a map and instructions. You're losing respect (as if you had any) of the people you somehow think you represent...talk about dilusional!!! OMFG!!! You losers infuriate me to no end!!!

Well said NorthernRed The more updates MSNBC puts up, the worse this gets......sad, so sad. An almost total disconnect from reality.

How can they represent anyone when they are nothing more than vandals and thieves? They only want someone else to pay there bills and not have to work. I do not associate with vandals and thieves.

well now that, that is all said and done lets see what we have here, Anarchist destroying things and the Occupation gets the blame. Even the President again.

As a well off Grandfather and a member of the Occupation I would and will condemn this type of action taken by Anarchist movement trying to attach there wagen to the Occupation hitch and we don't want them any more then any sensible person.

but if it make you all feel better to demigod some one look into your own back yard, because it issss time to make issue with the elected officials. They we can fire!!

time to give you your pink slip! Congress and for Indiana you state congress persons. time for a recall! or a vote on the right to work bs you just handed us!

bicfj

Many of you who object to the OWS protests and are happy when the police arrest OWS protestors are very hard to please...

I bellieve that you would only be happy if the OWS protestors would only stay home and watch TV sitcoms like you do.

bicfj - I would be happy if saw some sense of purpose, a political program, or some sense of sentience in these "protests".

What I see is a sense of entitlement, to use and abuse public property, a desire to simply obstruct others and an infantile desire to place themselves in the media.

I am neither a rich, or semi-rich person, nor a Republican. Yet I say silent cheer every time I here of these ass-clowns being cleared out of a public park, or municipal building.

It is called the 1st amendment, the right to assemble peacefully. And yes on public ground. You know the places we all pay taxes for. But only the one about the church is ok, why is that?

I'm a 22 year old college student. These people are filthy hippies

LOL.....the welfare recipients standing up for the Occupiers.

You would expect say venture capitalists to stand up for them?

At least they ant dressed up like 17th century nutcases.. With wigs and paper hats. I'd keep my kids away from those suckers.

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get off the computer and go and protest against them and learn something then

OWS is violent so they would beat him to death or the police would escort him out of there for his safety.

Ido Clinton got rid of welfare. Remember?

soon there will be no assistance

Geoff there shouldn't be any.

When Wikipedia and Google protested the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) last week, several hundred protesters went to congress and the White House. You may remember hearing about a smoke bomb tossed on the lawn. Wikipedia was offline for the day, while protesters braved the weather to let them know how they felt about restricting the internet the same way they want to restrict other freedoms like speech and assembly. Unfortunately the only way to get attention as a movement is to make a big enough fuss that someone takes you seriously; and congress, for the first time, got the message real F—in quick. They immediately drop the proposed bill. Meant

We have a cherished monument that sits in the frisco bay that is about to undergo a 7.2 billion dollar restoration; and I’m not talking about Alcatraz. The Golden Gate Bridge has been waiting for 29 month for the first shipment of 50,000 tons of Chinese steel to arrive so construction can begin. That’s right Chinese steel. They out bid a company called Oregon Iron Works by 400 million and got the job even though Americans could sure use the work. The sad part is that, due to the delay, that 400 mil in savings has gone up in smoke.

A study sponsored by the Alliance for American Manufacturing (AAM) showed that for every $1 billion invested in the nation’s infrastructure, it creates or maintains 18,000 jobs. So that comes to 126,000 jobs lost based on this calculation. They feel that this is a low ball estimate that does not take into account provisions made by the “Buy American act” which has a much higher estimate on the number of total jobs created per dollar spent. But, who can trust numbers these days.

Senator Nick Rahall of West Virginia (Democrat) has been trying to push through HR 3533 the “Invest in America Jobs act” that coupled with the “Buy American Act” is designed to stop just this type of outsourcing of crucial infrastructure jobs. So if this isn’t a good enough reason to take a face full of tear gas to draw a little attention to the article that you just read and the post to your query, than I would really like to know what would make you stand up and take notice. Something clearly needs to be done and I don’t see too many others bring up this 2 year debacle. Damaging a few fences can hardly be called real destruction of property. I’m sure if they wanted to they could give the police a better reason to gas them.

I wish more naysayers would read your post, Voice, because it is issues like this that drive these protests. It has nothing to do with "gimme gimme" like the uninformed seem to believe

wolf...don't say that about hippies...I have a friend who was a hippy when she was younger..sometimes I think she still is in a way...such a sweet, kind person...far from dirty...

The label? You know in the past, the rich and noble label those below them as "peasant", "rebel", "slave", "criminal". I guess it just easy to justify their actions and make them like a "good" guys.

Well, filthy hippies? Is that the best you can come up with? You are a college stupid who still cling to your mother/father allowance and barely even have a jobs. I doubt you are a college student as well since most of my friends or junior support them.

So, what is the next label?

When did we ever see the Tea Party people behave this way? Hmmm....Just what I thought, I hear the sound of crickets. Can't find an example of Tea Party persons breaking the law.

Now you see the difference between Conservatives (Tea Party people) and Liberals (Occupy persons)!

Little bad wolf get some life experience under your belt and maybe you will stop posting ignorant comments.

@David

What are you comparing to? Tea party protest barely noticeable and they brought guns with them.

Really? What are you trying to compare? If you want to compare something, at least make it similar like protest of Vietnam War or something.

You hear cricket because you are using examples that clearly benefit your argument and have no basis in comparison.

@Voice_of_reason-4140661

the same way they want to restrict other freedoms like speech and assembly.

Please get a clue about the Constitution before you start yammering about it. No one has attempted to "restrict" freedom of speech or assembly. The First Amendment does not give you carte blanche to break ANY law which the protesters repeatedly do. You did read the article right?

Unfortunately the only way to get attention as a movement is to make a big enough fuss that someone takes you seriously;

Ummm, yeah. That whole Tea Party thing pretty much proves this statement is utter BS. The Tea Party actually manged to get people elected to office, call me when the OWS actually manges to accomplish something even their detractors would have to admit to.

I'm not defending any over use of force, but I've had a lot of experience w/ both high and low explosives.(look it up). The explosion shown in the above picture is obviously from a flammable liquid. I'm pretty sure the Oakland P.D. doesn't use Molotov Cocktails on a regular basis. Those big explosions in the movies? Gasoline. Compare the fireballs.

This is ridiculous. Peaceful protest is absolutely fine as long as it stays peaceful. The minute a group turns to anarchist, riotous acts is the minute that they become "filthy hippies" and absolutely deserve to be arrested. As someone who gets so incredibly sick of these "occupy wallstreet" morons trying to get any semblance of a movement together, but failing miserably as they break down into an unorganized, riotous mass; I can say that I wish every single protester could be thrown in jail where they belong for defacing and destroying property that costs tons of money to taxpayers and municipalities to be able to fix. How do you absolute morons not see that the only thing you are accomplishing is making the problem worse for already cash-strapped municipalities. GROW UP, STOP WHINING, and GET A FREAKING JOB!!!

It's rather amazing that while just one average human has over 100 billion neurons at his disposal most comments thus far reflect an effort to use at best a few dozen.

Voice of reason,Cuong, Notsojingo and a few others excepted.

I received an email from one of the so called leaders, several pages long, filled with Marxist, Anarchistic, and socialistic dribble, which never got to the point of what these outcasts are protesting for.

It contained slogans, excerpts from books and and articles from Marx, other socialists and anarchists.

Then he had the nerve to say he was protesting that people where successful in the U.S. and he was not!

I asked what percentage of the protesters were on welfare, getting food stamps, and other government handouts.

DEAD SILENCE!

I imagine they are complaining about not getting enough handouts and face the prospects of getting a job!

@notsojingo

The Tea Party is an extension of Neo Con Right Wing Nut Job No Conscience self absorbed I Got Mine Koch Brother Funded Hypocrites, paid for by the Wealthiest One Percent in order to extend their grip on suppression of downward growth expansion for a healthy Middle Class in the United States of America, and by default, the World.

Translation- "Squaaak, Polly want a cracker?"

President Obama might want to rethink his income inequality campaign speech. These protests might just backfire if people that are moderates think redistribution is too radical. They used to call these voters "The silent majority"

Its the People protesting the system that has backbone. The rest of you sheep will just fall in line why all of you freedom is taken away. Protesting has been going on since the United States of America was formed. Thats what Freedom is, or was at least.. With your Patriot act and cameras on every corner its slowly being extracted like all the money and jobs in America. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Peaceful protesting is fine, resorting to violence is not.

They pulled down a perimeter fence. Constructed by the police to cordon them off from marching to the convention center.

If the police can't find a real transgression, they make sh!t up.

You do know who wrote this article, right?

Don't you learn anything from history and mass media? The one with power always paint a negative image on those against them.

"Rebels", "Criminal", "Lowly Peasant", "Slave", "Low birth status" and so on. You guys are so easily manipulate, no wonder the government and the rich can do whatever they want. With people like you guys who believe everything and anything the media feeds you without a second thought, no wonder this country is in this state right now.

All you poor whiners like the OWS mob need to get a life, work hard, and if one job lets you down, you find another, as anyone else does. You don't throw up your hands, quit trying, and say that it's all someone else's fault. The only one holding you down is YOU, people.

@kraussk

Are you Chinese? I ask because that is their attitude towards anyone who dares protest the government.

US CEO pay reaches new heights

By David Walsh
28 January 2012

And they continue to rake it in!

America’s corporate executives, already richer than Croesus, are not satisfied with having looted the economy of trillions of dollars in recent decades. Three and a half years after maneuvering the country to the verge of bankruptcy, the financial elite continues to enrich itself, legally and illegally, at the expense of the population and the general social interest.

The argument that CEOs deserve fabulous salaries because they “grow” the economy was always specious, but now, in the face of the financial meltdown and mass unemployment, such a claim simply generates popular outrage.

Despite nervousness in the media and the political establishment about the vast social inequality, nothing short of social upheaval will stop America’s executives from gorging themselves.

USA Today reported January 23, for example, that 2011 “is shaping up as the year of the $50 million-plus CEO.” The newspaper cited Walt Disney’s Robert Iger as “the latest” member of that exclusive club. Iger received $31.4 million in pay and perks and took in $21.4 million more from exercising previously awarded stock options and shares.

The article noted complaints by “corporate governance experts” that “executive pay is a sore point among rank-and-file workers, politicians and movements such as Occupy Wall Street.” Needless to say, these concerns leave the corporations involved utterly undeterred.

Other members of the $50-million club in 2011 included Apple’s Tim Cook, who received $378 million, including $376 million in restricted stock; Qualcomm’s Paul Jacobs, who took home $50.6 million; Tyco International’s Ed Breen, who made $68.9 million in total compensation; and J.C. Penney’s Ron Johnson, whose pay was worth $51.5 million, including $50 million in restricted shares after being hired in November!

In an update of the article posted Thursday, USA Today added Howard Schultz of Starbucks to the group. Schultz received compensation valued at $16 million, plus a special “retention award” worth $12 million; he also exercised stock options for another $40.8 million. Between February 2008 and January 2009, Starbucks eliminated an estimated 18,400 jobs in the US and started closing nearly 1,000 stores worldwide….

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jan2012/ceop-j28.shtml

I'm shocked the way the 2012 Police Departments have fallen in line with the Anti Occupy Movement Corporate/Political Class. It seems they have gone back to their "Pig", "Blue Meany" 1960s mentality in many respects. I guess I am naive to think things really changed all that much. As an anti- war demonstrator, this 61 year old American has seen the police at their worst, and it has disheartened me to see them revisit the past. They take their marching orders from Corporate America.

PS ..... Anti Union police thugs almost killed my father in the 1930s for trying to organize Street Car Conductors in Los Angeles, so don't lecture me on how that can't happen in America, because it did then, and it seems it still does. Police are basically the enforcers for the 1 % ....... Conditons for working people are at their worst in 100 years.

...so they break in to burn an AMERICAN flag. If That is their statement then I can easily say they are misguided idiots.

Dont be shocked that the Police are not going to put up with this BS. And dont think they (occupiers) are part of thee 99%. They are the 1%. The rest of us are trying to work or are working (Including the Police) who enforce the laws wirtten down by people who VOTE their state legislators into office.

"enforcers for the 1%...." anyone who buys that better put down the bong for a minute or have their diaper changed. I dont even know why I just responded to such an assanine post.

@Jessie

I'm guessing you are a senior. Thanks for sharing your story about your Dad.

If you don't know about the NDAA, or National Defense Authorization Act, I urge you to look at it.

It gives the government carte blanche power to declare anyone a terrorist, strip them of citizenship, make them disappear to a CIA jail, without seeing a lawyer and hold them indefinitely.

This makes any Police Department fascist look like a family fun walk through the park.

Yep, those nasty old "pigs" protecting private property; they shouldn't be allowed to do that, should they? To think that the "blue meanies" might arrest those nice protesters simply because the protesters decided to tear up some fences, trespass on private property. The protesters should be allowed to take over someone else's property! After all, don't they represent the 99%? And, do you believe the nerve of the police, to begin arresting protesters simply because the protesters were trespassing, destroying private property, attempting to occupy other private property and throwing things at the police! How dare they! After all, only three of the "pigs" were injured!

By the way, what would you do if someone tried to occupy your house?

Conditions for working people are at their worst in 100 years? Really? Ever read about the history of our country? I think working conditions are pretty damn good.

America was built on working hard and making your own way. Not crying and whining and demanding that you get some of the wealth from other people that work hard.

While there are a few good points that OWS has brought up, mostly they are leaches on society and anarchists.

@ Jim-952823 and Jim in Auburn

Jim (both Jims), I just wanted to say, as a 26 year old, I might be considered one of the "babies", but I entirely agree with you. The minute a group goes, breaks into property, and steals and burns an American Flag, is the minute they become anarchist morons and should be treated as such. I have completed school (debt free), have a great paying job (at which I work hard and enjoy the sense of accomplishment that comes from a job well done), have a home which will be paid off in 7 years, and am on track to have a decent nest egg for retirement. I would like to think that I am on the right track and am doing well. I most certainly didn't get there sitting on a street corner whining about how all my problems were because of someone else. If life threw me a curve ball, I did what any one should. I got up and went to work to make it better. So, although I may need to "have my diaper changed", I am definitely on the same page that a strong work ethic is how people get ahead in life, not by whining and begging for handouts.

At least we now know exactly whose side many of you really would have supported in Boston circa 1773.

Gutless hypocrites and/or idiots all not to mention anti-American traitors.

maurice -

Why can't you understand the difference between the OWS 'protesters' and the TEA party? And comparing either group to the Boston tea partiers is ludicrous at best. Keep in mind that the tea partiers in Boston back before the American Revolution had tried to work within the system first and only started to dump tea into the bay as a last resort. The modern TEA party has been working within the system, effecting change by backing political candidates that represent their ideals of less taxation and definitely no taxation without representation. We can thank the original tea partiers for helping to create the political system this country which allows change to occur within the government by working within the system.

The OWS, on the other hand, has no clearly stated motives or message and seems to be comprised of individuals who have no desire to actually work toward any goals. They have been infiltrated by anarchists, marxists, and communists who have no desire to do anything except create chaos. Destruction and mayhem seems to be their modus operandi and not a last result.

And comparing either group to the Boston tea partiers is ludicrous at best

Thanks for pointing out correctly the "ludicrous(ness)" of those that use the Boston tea partiers as their moniker. Their original name "Teabagger" though unfortunate was far more appropriate.

As to OWS, are you suggesting that they actively affiliate with one of the established political parties and find a few billionaire benefactors to finance a specific rigid ideology ?

the teapublican have been working on killing Americans civil right! If only you could bring back the Jim Crow laws. Just stupid!

PS Mich Daniel suck as a Gov, you know he least the I-80 toll road to a foreign country. But it was not China this time! I will not even begin to talk about what he has done for our school along with the teapublicans.

If the OWS would truly hold their protest in a logical and peaceful manner brutality could easily be averted.

Its the sheep herding the sheep. The ignorant comments above are a clear indication of that. But, more people are waking up.

Yeah, Toasty.....it is a sad day when we let these folks break laws without any consequences.

Hey, might as well terminate all law enforcement officials.....HUH? I am so sure you would agree with that.

Mortimer Snerdbaum.....and today we call them "True Americans". (Waiting for remarks)

Toasted, not that you deserve one more explanation, but here you go: UCD is allowing these puke head protesters to occupy buildings that they have no business or reason for occupying other than the University does not want to hurt their feelings. Their own protesters are realizing that they do not serve a purpose. How about I occupy your home son? Just because I can.

Which has what exactly to do with this police brutality, Gary?

Live by the sword die by the sword... The police have been justifying physical violence on the protesters from the beginning of the movement...The police have been "prepared" to say what ever they want to say so they can legally justify it...Blame the victims...demonize and belittle the OWS...what ever, its only going to get worse. What always happens when you repress human beings? If you repress them long enough they rise up against the reppressors... riots coming to a city near you...a Kent State type incident will only put it underground... You right wing nut cases are celebrating this becoming a police state just because you disagree with the OWS message, or you are too ignorant to even know what it is... You asked for it...period.

Look Gary, if all you're going to do is try and change the subject, this discussion is over.

I just can't wait until an asteroid or some other cataclysmic event gets thrust upon Earth so suddenly that everyone's little bubbles pop. I'm tired of all the hate and all of the aggression that has tormented this beautiful world of ours. The police have been brutal to these protesters from the get go.#.TyS-A8VPvNU All of you people talking about killing or hurting these protesters deserve to have the same done to you. You think you are better than them? At least they are fighting for something they believe in while you are sitting at a computer wallowing in your own apathy and ignorance. People have a reason to be pissed off. Our government bailed out banks that screwed themselves over. In capitalism, if your business fails, it fails and that is the risk you took. It's also important to note that after these bailouts, these banks continued to give out even larger bonuses to their greedy operators. Get a clue people, and for your own sake quell your ignorance.

If the OWS would truly hold their protest in a logical and peaceful manner brutality could easily be averted.

Do you mean like they did at Cal Davis?

Toasty...if someone were to start throwing things at you, wouldn't you tend to be a bit more forceful in making them stop? Besdes, the article stated that the group of 200 grew to around 2000...I would think that that alone had to be something to worry about.

It seems that the OWS crowd will bite the hand that shelters them.

As the cold chill of winter set in, Occupy Wall Street protesters dispersed across the city in search of shelter and to wait for a reboot in the spring. About 60 occupiers landed at West Park Presbyterian Church on Manhattan's Upper West Side, rolling out sleeping bags between the pews at night to sleep. Then three weeks ago a $2,400 Apple laptop went missing from the pastor's private office and, this weekend, the church's 800-pound bronze baptismal font was vandalized — the basin and lid were taken. "You have 24 hours to find it and to come up with an amends and to come up with a plan," an irate Reverend Bob Brashear warned the campers. "'I’m sorry and it won’t happen again' won’t work." Though the basin was later found in a small adjoining room, the lid is still missing and the occupiers have been given two weeks to decamp. Over in Park Slope, another recent incident involved an OWS supporter urinating on a cross inside a church.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/ows-campers-desecrating-new-york-churches.html

Some very intelligent people here in the OWS crowd. They want their First Amendment Rights but will steal religious articles or piss on a Cross. They want their Rights but have no respect for the Rights others. And they want RESPECT???

Toasty, don't worry. This will only fuel more come election time. The modern vassars have their master's orders to quell OWS prior to November. So expect more of this and see who the police really represent.

No matter though, the revolution is coming regardless of how many trolls promote injustice to the American People.

Their god... Grover Norquist gave them their election objectives. When Obama wins... and let's the tax cuts for the wealthy expire... impeach him. They act as though they're in control but they're very... very... afraid.

It's looking as if money will not gain them unlimited influence as planned and the people are not as docile and dumb as they initially thought. Why else would electing a president cost so much money in these times?

They have substituted money for integrity, vision and influence. How else could these Republican buffoons endure a primary with only foodstamps, abortion, gay rights and moon camps as initiatives for the ailing country. You would think that they would have ideas concerning the growth of this nation but thus far... nothing.

You can bet every dollar you own that if Americans elect a republican; we will be at war within a year. This time the distraction will allow them to finish the job of privatizing your medicare and social security entitlements. By the time they leave office... so will the rest of the money including the money for military defense. Williard and Newton-Leroy only want the government to protect their investments and financiers; not you or your family at all.

Republicans have their gloves off... or so they think that most will be civil as they pummel the masses under the guise of security. It won't work... the devil has only so much time on earth. Your only defense is to watch what they do and how they live... not what they say.

Trolls keep saying the Occupy movement is dieing out. Wishful thinking. The truth is things are screwed up and it's finally reached the point where it's not going away, regardless of the gestapo tactics used against our own people.

LOts of Conservatives and their biased BS on here i see, you cannot change these war monger thinking types. They gripe about OWS and there protests being violent, but almost every Conservative i know got no problem sending our troops into another country to kill people where we have no business being. Maybe you conservatives should fear this movement a lot of people's eyes are opening to this governments lies and deciets to make them selves and their cronies richer. I got no problem with a person making a good living but this governments policies make it hard for anyone to make a good living anymore and that has got to change or it REVOLUTION time.

Let's take a history lesson everyone, in the past 50 years, there are 32 years with US president as Republican.

Let's take it from Reagan to present, there are 20 years of Republican and 11 years of Democrat, tell me which one is more responsible to the state we are in now?

@garpo813-4199335 You must not know many conservatives because I for one don't want to go into any countries just to see people get killed. Also, was it not your boy Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner for peace, that got us into Libya to help kill Libyans? So, please put away all the hypocrisy and consider your own biases.

That's an interesting justification for state-instituted torture, Kim. I have to say, though, I certainly still don't agree with it.

(Apologies if this is a double post)

"When did we ever see the Tea Party people behave this way? Hmmm....Just what I thought, I hear the sound of crickets. Can't find an example of Tea Party persons breaking the law, well, well, well.

Now you see the difference between Conservatives (Tea Party people) and Liberals (Occupy persons)!"

In case you forgot, the original Tea Party involved people in disguise illegally seizing and destroying goods that didn't belong to them.

Uh, David? The teabaggers stomped counterprotesters' heads into the sidewalk and cut gas lines of elected officials. I know it seems like it was a long time ago, but it only died down just a year ago.

@David

Any true Tea Party member should be defending the OWS protesters' right to protest, not condemn it. You sound like a British Parliamentarian condemning that upstart George Washington.

The mainstream media paints both groups in a bad light.

Don't be fooled by the mainstream media.

David, david david... must you be so shallow as to think that OWS is comprised of only liberals? Do you really believe that only unemployed liberals seeking handouts is the sum total of this agenda? This period in history has come down to having and doing without. Stop trying to steer people into your master's shell game of plutocratic misdirection.

@LevTolstoy

In case you forgot, the original Tea Party involved people in disguise illegally seizing and destroying goods that didn't belong to them.

Yeah, and in case YOU forgot, they seized and destroyed those goods because they were protesting an unfair tax ON THOSE GOODS. Are you suggesting the OWS protesters are tearing down fences because they're protesting fences being put up? Sorry dude but your excuse doesn't work. No one's going to bitch about you breaking a law if you're protesting THAT LAW. You don't get to do whatever the fcku you want and break any law just because you're protesting something else.

toasty, do you have that documentation on the tea party who comitted crimes? I'd sure like to see all the arrests of the tea party compared to the OWS rapes, murder, civil disobedience, fires, and general filth that they didn't bother to clean up themselves, I don't want those 99% representing me and the REAL 99% who still believe in personal responsibility, integrity, and working our a.ss off to get things done, and one day retiring like our parents did, and wearing long ugly pant, bad polo shirts, and playing golf, frisbee golf preferred.

@Toasty

Teabaggers? You are falling into the same trap as the anti-OWS crowd here.

All this while the Neo-conservatives gradually paint themselves as the Democratic and Republican establishment. And there is a near media blackout on anything to do with the NDAA, SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA. Including the shady way Obama passed ACTA. (And no, that is not a partisan attack on Obama, I'm quite sure if Bush or Romney was in the White House, they would sign it too)

You really need to follow a broader spectrum of media Toasty.

Would you like video, Mr. R? Because it's pretty well documented.

To Cyong - Well the truth is, Clinton sold everyone down the river with NAFTA and I'm a Democrat. I bought his program - twice. He empowered the foreign industrialists and slave labor, which in turn down here in Mexico sent hundreds of thousands of people running to the cartels for jobs. But yes you are correct, de-regulation started under Reagan.

It's far from torture, Toasty. I'm all for protesting, but I'm not dumb enough to start throwing stuff to make a point...no one listens to me then.

When did we ever see the Tea Party people behave this way? Hmmm....Just what I thought, I hear the sound of crickets. Can't find an example of Tea Party persons breaking the law, well, well, well.
Are you familiar with the term "civil disobedience"? Used by people like Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi, etc. You do not bring about social change through following the law. Keep this in mind: The worst atrocities in human history were committed by people just doing what they were told.

Great post Satanick.

Thumbs down to whoever is collapsing all the threads.

Dumbasses on parade, again.

They were breaking the law, and people expect nothing to happen?

I admire the youth for speaking up and believe that the cops are using rough ass tactics. The country is in the crapper and the young are blameless. Are they supposed to be grateful for the $16T National debt they will inherit? The lack of jobs? Unaffordable education? What are they to be thankful for?

I admire the youth for speaking up and believe that the cops are using rough ass tactics. The country is in the crapper and the young are blameless. Are they supposed to be grateful for the $16T National debt they will inherit? The lack of jobs? Unaffordable education? What are they to be thankful for?

The everyone gets a trophy for participation crowd is blameless? Well, in a way. Perhaps it's their parents who told them how special they were and that they should have everything and the world awaits their arrival on the scene for no particular reason.

They should be thankful they are living in a country that gives them the opportunity to dig in and work. Yes, dig in and work and realize the satisfaction of achievement gained through their sweat, not the whining and crying for something for nothing that others worked hard to achieve. Don't like the debt? Don't like the lack of jobs? Then participate in the government we have to make it better or better yet, ARM YOURSELVES WITH JOB SKILLS, and get a job. Education too expensive? Nothing new. Do what others have done, work, sacrifice, prepare. Otherwise be a thorn in your accommodating parents behinds and stay in their basements.

Real people who are producing something for this country and it 's citizens don't have time for your crap.

Real people who are producing something for this country and it 's citizens don't have time for your crap.

thehackettgroup.com/about/alerts/alerts_2010/alert_12022010.jsp

The multinational corporation I work for, now hires only $12,000/year (USD) offshore, and as the link above shows, most all others are going for some part of the $12,000 offshore too. Before you declare American youth unemployable, read the India Times article below about India's graduates, "employable [India] engineering graduates moving up by just a per cent over the past six years to 25%"

articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-04-07/news/29392668_1_engineering-colleges-employability-study-nasscom

@sandtrich

Are they supposed to be grateful for the $16T National debt they will inherit? The lack of jobs? Unaffordable education? What are they to be thankful for?

I have a niece who recently went on a mission trip to Haiti. So yeah, as fcked up as those things are she's still pretty thankful. That's the problem with the majority of the youth in this country, no perspective.

So because other places have it worse we should just forget about our own problems?

@Satanick

So because other places have it worse we should just forget about our own problems?

No, you should just stop acting like you've got it oh so bad when you don't. The idea that the youth in this country have, as sandtrich suggested, nothing to "be thankful for" is a friggin joke. Other people are being shot in the street for protesting, how about that for one thing they can be thankful for here.

As I always say, if you have to use gross exageration to make your point, you probably didn't have a valid poing to begin with.

Who is grossly exaggerating?

@Satanick

Who is grossly exaggerating?

Sandtrich is grossly exaggerating by suggestingwe don't have anything to be thankful for in this country. That was the comment I had originally responded to in regard to people needing to get some perspective.

That's a good one ! Got any more jokes for us?

Bet 9/11 and the moon landings were a hoax too, huh?

Actually lawdog, it's a tactic used quite often. There's YouTube videos of people spotting them out and filming them crossing over police barricades, where the other policemen let them through.

Don't be fooled. They're showing you who they really work for in this country.

OK. Your "official" report has been filed. Now return to the Mother Ship and log your activities.

And you know this...how? Not saying it is or isn't true just wondering where the documentation is.

An undercover got a bunch of my friends pepper sprayed in DC. Two of them, actually. They pushed a security guard at the Air and Space Museum, and the guard panicked and sprayed a bunch of people. Later, one of the two guys outed himself on a conservative blog and bragged about getting the hippies sprayed. As for the other guy, we didn't know if he was an undercover or not, and no one had seen him since the incident. The next day, as we were all gathering for the evening GA, I saw him wearing a red bandana and dressed very differently than the day before. I talked to him for a while and he seemed suspicious. Not only was he denying being at the event the day before when I had SEEN HIM, but he was encouraging people to incite violence. He told me, "Link arms and don't let the cops come in. If they push, push back. If they hit, hit back." I alerted one of the peacekeepers (who was one of the people pepper sprayed on account of this douche) and he and a few others escorted the plant away from the crowd. They also took his picture to pass around. This is just my personal experience.

coolio man, sounds like he did not like protesters lol

." I alerted one of the peacekeepers

That sounds almost SS to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmtCsXrYUm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoUa26YwKGs

Two examples of it.

LOL...you should wrte for television...

http://my.firedoglake.com/cgrapski/2011/10/09/american-standard-editor-admits-to-being-agent-provacateur-at-d-c-museum/

OWS doesn't need any help looking desperate, misguided and chimp-like.

Utubes are obvious fakes,no damage was filmed or done.

It's easy to rile up the crowd. The one in power will do whatever it takes to paint them as the good guys.

Remind me of Citi-bank where protestor got arrest because they closed their accounts. Plain cloth police and security drag people back in after they got out, closed the door and wait for local police to come to arrest people for "trespassing".

If you bother to learn history, you will also learn that lots of example of how those in power paid people to cause riots. This is nothing new and the way the media paint the whole picture just put even more doubt to this.

That's what made Hitler's media so powerful.

The German sheeple believed all the lies.

If the Utubes were real, then the media have been lying to you.

Of course, the media would never do that, right?

Miss Scarlet...I'm glad you guys found him and he was taken away...should have been arrested...but that's not every one...that's just another @!$%# who is enjoying all the violence that is happening...I wouldn't be surprised if there are more on both sides...

Thank you, Toasty! That's the guy, in the black shirt. We didn't know if he was in on it or not since he didn't take any credit and wasn't mentioned by Mr. Patrick Howley. I imagine he was going to start as much trouble as possible until someone recognized him. *pats self on back* Hey Gabriel, looks like my crack pipe has a camera on it. :)

Oh look, it happened on a weekend...

I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Funny though all these people arrested are going to be sitting in jail on charges that will be dropped on Monday or Tuesday.

Probably an accident.

The cops are our friends.

Especially the ones in plain clothes that incite riots, by actually commiting the crimes their buddies arrest people for five blocks away...

Hey is it legal to do this? ''Police arrived after protesters had broken into City Hall, stole an American flag from the council chamber and set it ablaze, the Oakland Tribune reported. Officers stomped out the fire.'' I thought civil disobedience was like Ghandi and Martin Luther King? Wow this ain't cool! These guys are more like Obama's buddy Bill Ayers

Wow. Collapsorama by MSNBC.

Exactly what are these whiners protesting? Not getting enough money for nothing? College loans that paid for worthless degree that they chose, that they now have to pay back? A war they didn't fight or pay for because they don't pay taxes? That they want a job they have never earned and have no skill to do because of worthless degree? A house they could never afford but were dumb enough to sign a contract?

No rhyme or reason. Can only hope enough pepper spray send them back to the holes they came from, most likely, their parents basement.

flameaway

"Oh look, it happened on a weekend...

I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Funny though all these people arrested are going to be sitting in jail on charges that will be dropped on Monday or Tuesday.

Probably an accident.

The cops are our friends.

Especially the ones in plain clothes that incite riots, by actually commiting the crimes their buddies arrest people for five blocks away..."

Oh so now you are blaming the Obama media for reporting the crimes your friends are doing. Can't have it both ways champ.

CuongDNguyen wrote:

If you bother to learn history, you will also learn that lots of example of how those in power paid people to cause riots.

Cuong is correct here, no matter how much people would rather not believe it. It happens in the Middle East as well. Groups of people are hired to march the streets shouting 'Death to America,' which is meant to make the American people paranoid (it does a good job) and think that all Muslims are like that. (When in fact those shouting it might not even care one way or another, much like when kids who say the Pledge of Allegiance every day at school, just go through the motions of saying it, without really understanding or caring what the words they are saying really mean.)

Corruption is everywhere. Certain people with money and power aren't saints, and so it isn't too far fetched to believe that they would do something that would benefit them. One shouldn't necessarily think that everything is a conspiracy, (like 9/11), but a healthy mind is able to see an event from a number of different perspectives, and weighs all the options of what might really be happening in a given situation.

you won't think the cops are your friends when they are banging down your door. You sound like a fence walker...right left, centrist...what? make up your mind ..all you're doing is making conflicting statements here. You're the one trying to have it both ways. Go back to bed, with your bible and guns. And put some shoes on once in a while. Your backwoods attitude needs some updating.

Bob,

Your koolaid has gone bad...

"Oh so now you are blaming the Obama media for reporting the crimes your friends are doing. Can't have it both ways champ."

I never mentioned Obama or the media. I didn't mention any crime or friends. What is my other way?

<pats bob on the head and replaces his helmet>

I think you fell down there little buddy.

If the people insist that the 1% thieves who wrecked our economy be held accountable for their crimes...Arrest them!

..."Democracy" in action!

I agree with Bob. Whiners. Their 15 minutes of fame are up. Get a life and go to work! Oh it happened on a weekend, right. No working on saturday. Whether the police incited riots or not, I do not know, Going undercover is done to help scout out the bad seed and there must have been a lot of bad seed there. The story sounds fishy to me, which is not to say it didn't happen. But you can't break into a city building, burn a flag and try to go into a closed building just because you claim it. After months of this lawlessness, it is time to go home. If they were not being funded by certain people like George Soros or his organizations that want to collapse this country and make it a one world government, it would have been over. Now it is just sad. All this protesting is just irritating decent hardworking people who contribute to society.

I always had a strong suspicion that this would end with "Occupy the City Jail"!

@Denisa-2924369

You are falling victim to generalization here. All those OWS are unemployed and hippies? And there is no unemployed conservative? Or something like that.

First of all, you are talking to something that you clearly don't have a full understand and full picture. Secondly, you are falling into mass media ploy to paint a pictures of whatever they want you to see.

First rule is NEVER TRUST MASS MEDIA, they always have their agendas and bias toward whatever funds them. In this case the same, see little details like "throw small objects", "storm fences", "unprovoked attack", "empty building", "burning flag". Those little keywords are nothing more than to create sympathy for one side and give negative image to another. It has been used before and continue to be use again and again for hundred of years.

What protest? Looks like a riot to me.

People, You're breaking down the wrong doors! Polititians have already been bought and sold! I would be willing to bet that some of these protesters own iphones! Go protest at the Mac/Apple stores! They just announced a nice $13billion profit with mostly overseas labor for those $700.00 phones! Just one example of where you're jobs are! If you get tired there, march over to Walmart!

The OWS does NOT represent me. It seems they are turning into nothiong but a Mob, breaking in and damaging property.

Before they were Just protesters..Now they are criminals.

Janine-1645002 wrote:

Before they were Just protesters..Now they are criminals.

It's funny, but I bet England at one point was saying the very same thing about the original American colonists.

I think people are taking this "they don't represent me" thing a little too personally. Who said they did represent you? Why the defensiveness? I live well, so I suppose it could be said that some of them would be against me. But Michael Moore was out there with them, so I suppose they could make exceptions in certain cases. In any event, if they're for me or against me, that doesn't mean I'm against their right to get their message out. Granted, hopefully in a peaceful way. But how many protests and movements in the past have been totally peaceful? Not a lot, if any, for that matter. Things always tend to turn ugly, much like some of the comments that can be found here.

When it come to corporations, they are 100 percent right. Yet they will vote creeps like the Half Breed Kenyan in office when they should get behind people like Ron Paul. Yes the Politicians are more interested in Stock prices or Corporate profits than they are if Americans have jobs. Yet these people are driving cars made by the Japs even though 68,000 Americans lost their lives on Okinawa alone. What about all those phones made by cheep labor With not tax due. Also no EPA, no OSHA, no employment tax, no SS tax, no health care benefits. With theses Supper PACs, The politicians is going to dance with the ones who Brung-um. I also believe there is a lot of drugs are involved which throws water on their fire for me.

This proves that msnbc.com is bought and paid for. The President of MSNBC.COM, Tilllinghast, promised when he bought newsvine, that the comments would remain unregulated and unmoderated.

When I asked for Gillen's and Tillighast telephone numbers and emails. I get no answer. People are being directed to these forums by NBC and then asked to comment and then are suspended or banned. Their comments are also banned and suspended. This is how we want a net site in the U.S.? Where free speech and comments are censured after we are asked to make those comments?

Where is our indignity for all this? This is not China, Iran or North Korea!

Newsvine is good for hitting the collapse buttonkind of like if you dont like the message kill the messengers

LIVE TO RIDE wrote:

Go protest at the Mac/Apple stores! They just announced a nice $13billion profit with mostly overseas labor for those $700.00 phones! Just one example of where you're jobs are! If you get tired there, march over to Walmart!

Hopefully the jobs that Apple has overseas aren't the only ones people are capable of doing. Apple designs its products here in the U.S. As most people are aware, designing high-tech products takes a lot of education. In China and India, education is highly sought after, as people know that it can lead to a better future for them. (And inevitably, their country.)

We really have to change the mindset here in the U.S on education. While it's not true for everyone of course, (since U.S. colleges have plenty of students), many in the U.S. have a negative outlook on 'education,' and those who are educated often get lambasted on forums like this. For example, while Obama is obviously highly educated, Seta (above) refers to him as a "creep" and "half-breed Kenyan."

Everything begins with how each one of us acts towards one another. You know, that whole seemingly outdated idea that we should "treat others as we would like them to treat us." Hopefully we haven't forgotten that whatever we put out, negative or positive, comes right back at us. And maybe that's the problem. There's just too much 'negative' out there, and it's having a definite affect on our country.

Dr. Cat. You are 100% correct! NBC has a government license to broadcast and its programs direct us to msnbc.com to vote and comment. When we do comment we are banned and suspended. Our comments are suspended and deleted. Something is very wrong with this. This is an infringement on our rights. NBC cannot direct us to a private site where we are censured. This has to change immediately. I want to read the honest unvarnished truth and make up my own mind. I do not want tainted or warped newscasts and being sent to ultraliberal internet sites to inflate their readership numbers which earn them money for a cause I am against. This is definitely a conflict of interests.

Dr. Cat Look at UrbanPrep Charter Academy. For the last two years they have send every graduating senior to a 4 year college. The real story is that this school took their students from black ghettos and graduated 75% of them. And every senior has been accepted by a four year university. There are 20 more schools that do the same thing. Educating children is not a secret. It is only the federal government that wants this to be held a secret. School boards have to be taught and freed to follow these successful curriculums and the first step is the elimination of school unions. School boards have to have a free hand at rewarding great teachers and firing bad teachers without unions interfering.

The federal government in less than a year can turn around every failing school system in the U.S. and instill in the children respect and love of learning.

But not with a democratic president that is going to protect the unions to get the union vote. As long as Obama is president out schools will continue to fail. And UNIONPREP is right from OBAMA'S hometown, Chicago Illinois. Obama has not had their success studied and probably does not even know about its success.

An evinging with the OWS,

First stop: Vacant convention center,

Knock knock.....OWS: "can we come in, we would like to change the world"

empty convention center: "get lost dead beat and get a job", door slams in face.

Second stop: YMCA (Hmmmm)

Knock knock.....OWS: "can we come in, we would like to change the world"?

YMCA: "Your kidding me right?", door slams in face.

Third stop: City Hall,

Knock knock.....OWS: "can we come in, we would like to change the world"?

City Hall: "Sure come on in, no ones ever home here, even when it looks like people are here". "Hey, want an American flag to burn?"........ "Here you go". " Now, before you go, can you help stuff this ballot box, my friends and I PROMISE to meet all your demands"

OWS has my full backing and support!! Isn't it ironic that the teabags/gop(greedy old party) folks who are on this blog constantly moaning about the government taking away their constitutional rights want to take away the constitutional rights of people who don't agree with them and want to protest their beliefs?? For the teabags/gop ignorance is bliss. And by the way all the righties got their panties all bunched up over the OWS movement, you guys are doing your job very well - making the status quo establishment squirm. As for the teabagger movement, they remind me of a bingo game at the local nursing home. Go OWS and peace to all....

They're protesting the fact that this country is full of idiots who can't understand why they'd be protesting.

The economy is being run into the ground by greedy morons. They're not complaining that they're not getting "Free Money", they're complaining because the current model of "My job is to maximize short term profits by ensuring that the company doesn't have the resources to continue in the long run" isn't, nor will it ever work. Companies are using their increased wealth to invest in politicians to get legislation that further allows them to abuse the idea of a working capitalist system. Adam Smith stressed HEAVILY against allowing business owners from being allowed to buy off politicians in a free market system.

Communism fails because you inherently get someone who wants to take too much and exploits the system. Capitalism is stronger, but isn't without that same frailty - if the businesses corrupt their value to the market, money and capital itself loses its value.

There's a reason they call themselves the 99%. What they want helps 99% of the population. Quit being the obnoxious "Conservative" pricks that the 1% of the population that's abusing their ability to exploit the system is counting on. If you're posting comments on Newsvine, you're not a multimillionaire. Don't hate the Occupy movement just because you hate hippies, they're in the right.

If OWS ever wants to be taken seriously, they need to knock this type of crap off. Protesting for your beliefs is a good thing, as is their message, but destroying property is just wrong no matter who does it.

I have a B.S. in English, yet my career was as a Union Carpenter. I believe in education as a way to become aware. If your interests lie in your educational field, that is great. The high cost of education has made that impossible for the non-wealthy of this generation. Now most education is greed based.

Sadly, I currently look around and see the newly created jobs (no higher education needed) advertising starting pay rates of $8.50 an hour! I earned more than that in H.S. during the 1970's. Of course management and CEO's didn't get (entitlements for the wealthy) millions of dollars annually. Why not? Because we HAD a fair tax system. After you earned(?) a great sum of money each year, the excess was taxed at 90% and this was considered fair even by the right-wing republicans of the era. Why? Because it is fair and they were not owned by corporations who told them how to govern for the wealthy. We must publicly finance, FAIR elections. We are a country that does most of it's banking on-line (with a 3rd rate communication infrastructure), yet we use computer voting that can be hacked by amateurs. Our country has been seized by the wealthy and they are creating a nation of haves-vs-have nots. OWS is a peaceful way for the have-nots to hopefully change this.

As of right now, occupiers, you have lost ALL credibility with your fellow countrymen. It's time to end your little tantrum and try to become productive members of society (if any of you ever have been). This is beyond ridiculous and out of hand.

Tear the muther focker DOWN!!!

You all know it's coming, you all know it is needed, we are spiraling out of control and there is no way to sustain infinite growth on a finite planet. It is time to tear the muther focker down and do it right this time, if we don't do it now mother nature will do it for us. This planet was only designed to hold about 2 billion people, by 2020 we will be pushing 9 billion, not even Monsanto's Soylent Green can feed that many people on this small of planet.

The economic model we are using is broken, Ayn Rand was nothing more than a socially inept meth addict. Why is it every Soviet iimmigrant that crawled out from under the Iron Curtain and illegally comes to out shores is automatically adopted by the extreme right of this country as some sort of a Messiah?Both Ayn Rand and Orly Tates seem to mesmerize the wingnuts to the point they have wiped their collective asses on the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights, adopting a false ideology that is more destructive than the communism their Messiah's supposedly fled.

These aren't protestors. They're anarchists.

Bruce-308647, since you find it acceptable to speak for your fellow countrymen, allow me to be just as presumptuous. Occupiers, don't listen to Bruce. He is dead wrong and doesn't speak for Americans. He speaks for only one, and that's Bruce-308647. He may not believe in democracy, freedom, and responsibility, but you do and many Americans still do. Stand by your convictions. THAT is the American way. And when somebody presumes to tell you that you have lost ALL credibility, know that it is that person's credibility that is woefully lacking.

Yup, if you cut those in half..... I think that would probably be enough. Now I'm goin' outside to beat my $2 car with a shovel until it makes it own payments. OCCUPY my bank account !

"These aren't protestors. They're anarchists."

No, actually they are REVOLUTIONARIES!! And this is NOT the country our founding fathers left us, our country has been hijacked by an evil that threatens to destroy the very fabric of our democracy, an evil driven by the wreckless greed of a few men who gambled with the future of the human race AND LOST!

In a democracy, goverment is the mirror of the public will. When the power of the public will is overulled by the power of money, what should be the reaction? Our public media is weak and unwilling. Our national security policy makes us blind to the genocides we have brought upon the weak of our planet. How should we react? Watch TV, collect a paycheck and post nasty comments!

The republican and democratic conventions should be a riot this year. Literally!

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The republican and democratic conventions should be a riot this year. Literally!"

As they should be!! It is time for the puppet masters to realize we are no longer going to sit quietly watching the idiot box while they rob us blind.

The men behind the financial collapse are still running free and still gambling with our future, unregulated and uncaring, while our youth is being imprisoned for smoking pot. The system is broken and this time only a big hammer will fix it. Every member of congress needs to be thrown in prison and every lobbyist thrown in gitmo and charged with terrorism.

@Dr. Cat, who wrote:

Everything begins with how each one of us acts towards one another.

Thank you for your words - I believe in the whole paragraph but the first sentence sums it up well. The poster below you, who insulted your comment only proves that we have a long way to go, but, I believe that one day, maybe a long day away, words of kindness - will not receive one negative remark.

@deprogrammer: I would be amazed if a single one of these douchebags ever tried to run for even the most insignificant public office or do anything about the "evil" in this country except for whine about it.

• Never have u guys ask yourself this, what make you think these people have NO JOBS?!

They are protesting an idea, not for a job interview. this has always been what protests are about.

These are the people who has the BALLS to to stand up to society and say somthing is wrong BUT NO, they need to get back in line because people are scared of change.

a whale hunting activist doesnt do it for money, they do it to save an animal, they do it for an idea. theyre not doing it to have a PET WHALE

try using your heads a little....

this 2 party system has already riped our country in half....george washington said this was going to be a bad idea and that this was goig to happen....for a party that is so stuck on the founding father's idea, thats alot of BS flowing outtha your hole

REVOLUTION 2012

Change we all want, was promised, but never got.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8D4AsLzlM0

QOTD

• Where did the American Dream go?
• Were we ever in a democracy?
• When did it end?

We have a class system (more of a caste system soon)

There is no longer an american dream, either you are born rich or you are shut down for not being one, no longer can you work your way up

this country has no competitive edge, last greatest thing that happend was Apple and microsoft, the end.

Heres the cycle of your paycheck

Inventory sold-> profit -> coorperations- > asian workers -> makes again-> sold-> profit

if it even GRAZES the american people's wallet tell me, its like selling our presedentcy, they sold our paychecks to the forign countries. this is y we are so low.

Until then people should just shut thier eye's until the world burns around them, then we can proceed to just watch it burn

I'm Just Saying..

Although I probably would not agree with you on a lot of things, I do agree with your comment. The Occupy movement would do a great service to it's efforts to distance itself from the Oakland group. Not just with their current actions, I saw a while ago that they were blocking work at the port... not effective in my opinion.

A lot of you seem to be operating under the illusion that the system can be fixed with just a few tweeks by one party or the other. Do you realize just how big of a mess was made? I'm not talking the "fanny and freddy" talking points that get thrown around, that was chump change. There is nearly $600 TRILLION, yes trillion, in JUNK derivatives hiding somewhere in an unregulated black box just waiting to explode. And the men who created this monster are still out and still playing with money that doesnt exist and never will. Mitt Romney can't fix this by deregulating the criminal enterprise even more and Obama can't fix this when two of the biggest criminals work for him. The system has been infected by a cancer that was left untreated for far too long, extreme measures must be taken immediately and the Occupy movement seems to be the only ones who understand this. The political games the two parties are playing are just that, GAMES, and they will accomplish nothing other than to waste valuable time that could be used to come up with a real, long term plan for the human race as a whole. As it is we are just mindless consumers waiting for "god" to save us from ourselves.

There was one woman who saw this coming as early as 1993, Brooksley Born, she was the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission. She went to Greenspan and told him that there was major potential for fraud in the super secretive derivatives market and if it was not regulated it could destroy the worlds economy. Greenspan told her that 'EVEN FRAUD SHOULD NOT BE REGULATED IN THE FREE MARKET, LET THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE MARKET WORK IT'S MAGIC". Greenspan later admitted that his entire ideology was a LIE! But yet just a few years into the first shock wave we still have people calling for less regulation of the Wall Street and both parties still seem to have very little appetite for making the banksters pay for their crimes.

All I can say is BUY BYE!!! The Reagan/Thatcher Empire of Greed is going to come crashing down very very quickly, the Occupy folks are just trying to wake you hypnotized fools up, but it's far to late, the police state is in place, the money has been effectively siphoned from the working class to the greedy, the fuse has been lit, the bomb is set to explode, it won't be long now.

If you dont like our country.......LEAVE!!and those rotten bags of feces that burned the American flag can rot in hell.i hope the ones that were breaking stuff that wasnt thiers and making a huge mess were caught and are made to pay restitution so WE, the hardworking,tax paying Americans dont have to flip the bill for these scum!!!!

I'll check in later today and expect to be told that the 'occupiers' are courageous pioneers sacrificing their own comforts to represent me in their quest for heaven knows what in the grand American tradition of 'protest'.

I'll also likely be told that people should not comment on the 'occupiers' unless one actually visits one of the tent encampments and talks to them to better form a valued opinion on the issue.

I do want to be sure that I don't form a slanted opinion on what happened in Oakland yesterday, less the heroic saviors of the masses in Oakland reputations be tainted.

The OWS must not read or listen to the news.

About 75 per cent of Americans say it's time to stop this useless
exercise.

Maybe they should keep on going, because it keeps the bums warm.

It's OVER, OWS---keep getting arrested. The Taxpayers are being punished, by
your want for Attention.

Go back to Mama. She's waiting

The "Occupy folks" are nothing but a bunch of clowns.

Spin it any way you want. Their actions repeatedly prove they are not interested in intelligent, logical solutions to problems. They are emotionally driven, intellectually challenged and all too happy to resort to violence and obstruction to attempt to get their way.

I've seen at least one poster say there should literally be riots at the presidential primaries. REALLY? Are you truly that pathetic and mentally ill that you think violence is the answer? Well then, may you be the first to die by violence. Might teach you idiots a lesson...but I doubt it.

It doesn't matter to me whether you agree with the Occupy folks or not. Their actions are not defensible when viewed through an objective, logical rationale. You do not assault police officers, damage or destroy public or private property and otherwise act like an anarchist and then attempt to claim any kind of moral high ground.

What a joke.

And to the fools out there who are advocating open violence, you might want to remember one thing. Violence begets violence and there are plenty of people in this country who will be more than happy to meet your violence with their own.

And some of us are a lot more dangerous than a mindless mob will ever be.

"I've seen a protestor say there should be riots"

Excellent evidence to prove they're all clowns.

And anyone spinning the Oakland protests, which are distinctly unique in the way the cops have provoked violence out of them, as indicative of the rest of the movement...

Well, let's just look at it this way, I know a Christian who killed someone once, so I think Christianity should be outlawed. They've shown themselves to be nothing but thugs and murderers. I've seen a Christian say that they wanted to kill someone once, so it's in the bag.

Rusty I guess the same thing could be said for the Tea Party, if they don't like this country then they can leave, but wait, DOESN'T THE TEA PARTY CLAIM TO LOVE WHAT THIS COUNTRY ONCE WAS, BUT HATE WHAT IT IS BECOMING? Well Rusty that is my sentiments exactly, and those of the occupy movement. We are told to change the system through the ballot if we dont like it but then they take our voice away by saying "money equals speech". Money can't equal speech because when it does the rich man does all the talking. So if we can't use the voting booth to restore this country to it's former greatness BECAUSE MONEY HAS CORRUPTED THE SYSTEM then just what do you suggest we do? oh thats right, 'love it or leave it" no matter how much it gets perverted from the original version, WE JUST SIT BACK AND DRINK THE KOOL-AID NO MATTER HOW BITTER THE POISON, or LEAVE as you so spinelessly suggested.. Well I say HELL NO, it is time for Americans to stand up and take their country back, if you want to move to a different country you can rusty but I am going to fight to make this the country it was originally intended to be.

Its time to seize their bank accounts and start putting some teeth in the fines and charges, if they are going to act like criminals, treat them like criminals.

I am absolutely amazed to see a majority of the comments here! If this was another country, where the rights of the people are equally suppressed, and they rioted like this, we would be supporting them all the way. Over here, though, they are looked upon as menaces. You might not support OWS, but that also means you are more than happy to end up living in a country, where your rights continue to be taken away. If you want to live in an oppressive regime so badly, go live in Sudan, or Saudi Arabia and get the h*** out of here. We need more people to try to bring REAL AMERICAN VALUES back, not brain washed sheep, more than happy to allow REAL AMERICAN VALUES to be destroyed.

Why is it I don't believe any thing the police or government say about this?

We need to ship all these idiots to Russia and every other mob who burns our flag.

Is anyone really surprised, if you keep talking to a wall and don't get no reply I guess that would piss anyone off, talk only goes so far, I think Action goes a lot further and these people are fed up with the cavalier attitudes because others may not be affected ..... Well I don't think things will get better in our country anytime soon as long as people have that I've got mine and screw you attitude, not everyone is lazy and that's what people here seem to say, if there is no jobs are these people lazy? People seem to think their better then those that are protesting, I honestly don't think so ....

dEdGrimley,

No, the violence doesn't prove they're all clowns. The fact that they do nothing to curb the violence proves they're all clowns. The fact that they seem to think their actions are going to change anything, much less accomplish everything they hope it does, proves that they are clowns.

The fact that they believe they support the "99%" as opposed to simply supporting their own emotionally driven beliefs proves they're all clowns.

And by the way, the violence in Oakland isn't the only violence that has occurred at Occupy rallies. There have been violent incidents at many Occupy rallies. So, trying to say Oakland is an isolated incident is little short of a flat out lie.

Nice try though.

Occupy has devolved as I thought they would. They're degenerating into mindless thugs. They started out with no clear message. They became a joke to most people. They were viewed as petulant. Now they'll start being viewed as criminals and terrorists. They aren't Revolutionaries. The Revolutionaries of our history went to war. They separated from the colonies and formed actual armies. They organized units, trained and took up arms. They formed their own government and issued the declaration, stating their intent.
The actual tea party in colonial Boston, so inaccurately referenced, was committed by one group, the Sons of Liberty. It was aimed at the British government and the East India Company for a 10% tax imposed on the colonies. It was never repeated. It did stir the beginnings of the revolutionary war. It still took the conflicts of Lexington and Concord, two years later, to ignite the spark of war and still another year to officially declare it.
"Occupy" bears no resemblance to those colonists, what so ever. For totally different reasons, neither does the modern "Tea Party." Occupy engages in inhibiting, injuring and destroying. The Tea Party engages in seeking and getting change from within. It's hard to sell your view when you resort to the former.
The one comment that demonstrates the futility of the Occupy movement was that the "Tea Party" actually got people elected to office, including here in Utah, while the "Occupiers" camp out, vandalize and riot.
Oddly enough, I think there are Tea Parties who are grateful for Occupy showing its true colors because it helped the Partiers get elected. Ironic.

md-414241 Don't lie 30% of the students get grants and scholarships. There are student loans. There is a huge book you can get at a book store that has thousands of lists of grants and scholarships.

Did you know that billions of dollars of grans and scholarships go unclaimed every year. Yes it takes work and ingenuity but they are out there. For example, there are scholarships and grants for children of locomotive engineers. And it goes unused every year.

Like everything else you have to work at something to get something. My daughter was lazy and I wanted to give her the experience of at least working to get her college applications in. She never checked or called the schools. All the applications got lost (Stolen). Next year I sat with her and filled them out and did the work and fed exed all the applications and called the schools up that they received them. She got into all four and one had a scholarship for her for her grades, SATs, honor society, class president and best essay.

I spent too many years of my life defending and loving the flag and the nation it stands for, to allow a bunch of cowards, thugs, anarchists and sh*theads burn it. I have sent emails and made telephone calls to get these parasites off the streets and in jails where they belong.


I got a rambling, incoherent email from one of their leaders that made no sense. I believe he was high on something when he wrote it. It rambled on for several pages quoting Marx, an anarchist, and a socialists. When I asked them if they were collecting welfare and living off food stamps. No reply.

See how proud and forthright they are, they are hiding their faces as they burn the flag.

I do hope that the police were able to catch them and send them to jail for breaking and entering and destruction of public property.

Always good on a job resume.

Thank god for the internet. Any name can be traced to a criminal record.

Dr. Cat, # 8.10- Though I'm not done reading, yet, I was looking for that one succinct line for the Times, of this moment. Whatever you put out, positive or negative, comes right back at you. Seems a 1% Blame-Mongering took over and eradicated "Accountability" a long-long time ago before yesterday and today; to become the 99% of the 1%, unto itself. There's a famous Author that I just adore that talks about what an "unpretty" scene it makes for trying to stuff 10 gallons of manure back into the container after it has exploded, under compressed pressure, out. The pressure is the "rage"; the good news is that manure is fertilizer. The bad news is that "it didn't have to be that way; there was/is a better way". Will the notion of "Accountability", as opposed to Blame ever be able to even be murmured again in relation to Public Servants? Peaceable Demonstrators collectively being driven to become Riotous Protesters? Remember the Alamo and don't forget the Great Twinkie Defense! Courts actually take the time and have the requirement of looking (hearing) and determining what actually happened! They consider whether or not there were "driving" motivating factors. Was it spontaneous or was it driven?

What did and does the Public Servants of Oakland who self-righteously and unabashedly-violently and antagonistically ambushed a peaceable movement in the middle of the night expect? What's going through Public Servant's minds as they're arresting and booking? And this is just Oakland, as culminating?, as it symbolically relates to the entire Occupy Movement. Let's hope so.

deprogrammer it is time you got deprogrammed.

to OWS - you have been occuppied by your own radicals and they have minimized your message.

To the "people" who complained about the OWS burning the US flag I say that the OWS was right to burn that flag. When a US flag is soiled or otherwise ruined the proper thing to do is to burn it. After those OWS handled the flag, burning was proper.

The occupiers are the new generation of the weather underground with Bill Ayers, they are the extreme left of this country , is a lie that they represent the 99% ,they have no support other than the communist leader unions and Soros who is an anti-American , dedicated founding comunist groups among ofthen those rioters called OWS, to create chaos and promote their socialist ideas.

The Supreme of US has ruled flag burning is Legal, just don't try burning a Mexican flag then you may be arrested for inciting a riot, an AZ man was.

I'm hearing about younger people getting jobs and they can't do them. Thats a real shame and then again, I can see it too. XBox is more important than taking your kid outside with you and doing something skilled together. Even unskilled too, just planting a garden a few years in a row, would teach these younger kids how to survive a little easier. It does start at home and hopefully showing your children something more than video games while they are younger, it just might be able to help them a lot one day. To go out and catch a few fish and to come home and pull a few veggies, they have themselves a meal. Its a real shame today that younger people get hired to do a job and they end up being let go because they can't do the job. It cost money to train people and thats not going to help companies to stay in business. I bet if you go to China you won't see kids laying around the house, eating and playing xbox. In this country you can't tell your kid anything, they end up telling you what they are going to do. Then they get pissed of at you if you don't go along with the program and make your life miserable and then call the police on you when you stand up for yourself. Thats what the kids in this country are being taught.

Yeah if you go to China the kids will be workin in a @!$%#ing sweatshop somewhere getting paid 10 cents an hour Joe-107601. I'm sorry, just stereotyping like you.

StephAce, #8.43- EXCELLENT!!! What a really excellent "refreshing" post. I gave you a vote, too. It seems like a lot of posts that I've seen over the months are not posts that are enflamed as much as they seem to be here only trying to antagonize and enflame. The level of contempt seems like some kind of collective "jealous" maligning. Like it's coming from People who are actually, but unaware themselves, of how "un-Free" they, themselves, are. Or they don't want to or can't face that about themselves. It's been posited, I believe by Thomas Moore, in Care of the Soul, that "jealousy" is actually a very deep unconscious collision of 2 archetypal worlds fighting it out in a single person. It's just the level of unprovoked "hatred" that has come spilling out of People toward Occupiers, including the Police,as Public Servants and Public Servants, almost right from the start that's been astounding to me and the level of hatred and anger at being shown themselves to themselves, as they started out so sure that They and their every overrunning move was right. Almost immediately, was the unprovoked pepper-spraying of some Women, just because they were there! Why would so many have so much hate and contempt for People who represent "Freedom" and taking back Freedom and Civil Liberties in the supposed Land of the Free? Unless it's by People who have been so jaded, scammed and entrenched without their knowing and awareness into a trapped "learned helplessness". Helpless to do anything Pro-active (because that's only known now as a ruling capitalistic consumer brand, right?); and think that they are by publicly deriding, demeaning, slandering, degrading, judging and condemning; and as obviously some kind of learned (subliminally trained?) behaviors devoid of thought, replacing opinion. It's astoundingly bad and so "uncalled for" in this and these situation and Times. It's not Occupy that needs to shut itself down or be shut down.

Satanick: Well it didn't hurt me when I was growing up. To do some chores around the house and back then I didn't know it but most adults weren't doing them back then. I can fix everything around my house, I don't call anyone, because I know when I do it, its going to be done right. Sure they have them in sweatshops over there but then they also have the ones that work at home and do whats required around their places and these kids grow up to be able to support themselves and survive and some actually do well for themself. I was just saying what I heard from a couple of younger people talking about work among themselves. The one said its not that hard of a job and they hire people that end up not being able to do the work required to help themselves to keep the jobs. Put an xbox in front of them and I'll bet you they know what to do. The best part about this all, I'm a liberal left, but when I hear things like that, then it makes me sick. Educations pretty important and it does start at home. Let your kids play xbox and you can support them the rest of their life. I'm stereotyping a little myself now. I wasn't before, I was stating a fact that I heard, but I guess stereotyping is the thing to do here.

But not all of today's youth are like that. Which is why it is an unfair stereotype. Many of my friends are attending college and high school simultaneously AND working a job besides. Not so lazy now huh?

Satanick; I went back and I read your post again and I looked at the photo you have up for yourself and I'm thinking I might of hit a nerve. Yeah, thats where the stereotyping is coming from. I'm starting to wonder if you know how to cut the grass? What happens when the mower dosen't start for you? Do you @#$%^&* it and put it back in the garage and tell your parents you can't cut the grass because the stupid mower won't start? Thats like the criminal protesting in this article, now I bet you think its rad and then I think its children to lazy to work, but dumb enough to go and destroy property thats not theirs. Why destroy something when your making your point protesting in numbers? Now thats going to cost tax payers money they didn't need to spend and could of been used to make their towns better for them. Then the beauty of the people that are standing there burning the flag, they take pictures of themselves doing this. So they can post on facebook? Does facebook give you somekind of power? How about the fat repubes that shot up the tshirt with the president on it? Get a grip on life already and you don't need to think when people say something thats true, that they are stereotyping. See my ears and eyes don't lie to me. I heard the young men talking about what I posted and I read the article that said the young men posted on facebook. Oh, I'm sorry, look here I go stereotyping again. One thing, you do have real nice hair.

Whats true for some people is not true for everyone. Many of my peers are indeed lazy. But not all of them. Many are the opposite of lazy.
And no, I do not know how to fix a mower. I could insulate and roof your house though.
This movement is about far more than jobs. I agree that them destroying public property is not the greatest move. But they are going to be idiots in any movement. You can not define the whole just by the actions of a few.

Satanick: Show me where I stereotyped my first post. I also know a lot of young people that are real hustlers and trying to make something out of their lives. I was talking about something I heard being said and I was trying to make a point about these types of young. I was saying how an education starts at home. I know people myself that can't put a full days work in, just using a shovel. Simple right? Not for some people. Yeah, they worked one day and said the heck with that, thats hard work and never go back. Ok they go back shamelessly, to pick up their paycheck for the day of work they claimed they put in. When I was young and someone would of gave me a job using a shovel, with and equal pay back then compared to $12 an hour about 15 yrs ago now, I would of been on that like a crow on a june bug and I would of dug them a hole to China. Even if it looked like I was in a sweatshop. Yeah, satanick, I know that for a fact, because they were working for me and I wasn't about to pay them for another day of them standing around and tossing a half shovel of dirt and crying about blisters. They didn't even have work boots, they came to work in tennis shoes. So yeah theres a lot of young that can work and aren't scared to work but theres just as many that don't have a clue as to which end of the shovel to use. Those are going to be the ones your friends end up supporting one day. Did I stereotyped again. What is wrong with me. I really have to stop that, some people just don't care to hear the truth.

No where did I stereotype in my posts. I was making a statement because I heard the statement and I was trying to make a point that companies can't afford to hire people they have to train to do simple work, other countries already know how to do. So a lot of this problem isnt just the governments fault. Its also the peoples fault too. I have come in here and seen comments where people were stereotyping and I don't like it either, because like you I do know some young people that work their butts off to go to school. Its never everyone, theres always exceptions from the ones you see in the picture of this article. If it was everyone then this picture would look like saints were in it, because things would be a lot worse than they are right now. I just hope its both the people and government that take and do whats needed to make the changes were protesting now. Years ago the northeast was one of the biggest and best areas for people to start a business, because these people were a little more mechanically inclined compared to the rest of the country and there were the rivers for cheap transportation and people made money. Now days even thats different now. I still say it starts at home and I do hand it to you if you can put a roof on. That is hard work and maybe everyone can't start a lawn mower, even though theres not all that much to it, fuel, spark and air are the things you need for a combustion engine , none the less I salute you on your roofing and insulating.

Those are pathetic "wanna-be's" who are trying to romanticize a bye gone era they missed out on; but just don't realize they can't bring it back, and shouldn't want to.

The country has moved on for the better while they want to relive the past.

The gathering of the pathetic in Oakland, CA.

The site of those very same riots back in 1968 cost the Dumocrats the election, once they were shown on the TV news........

No normal citizen would vote for the Left after seeing that behavior. And they didn't!

Republicans won the presidency after that. Just say'in......

Man, I despise some of the posters here on MSNBC, I don't even know why I come to this site which serves as an outlet for the Obama Administration. These occupiers DO represent your interests, you just fail to see how on part of your liberal sensibilities, inculcated into you through the spectacle of what is known as television, which is NOT an accurate representation of reality. These occupiers are putting their own lives and freedom at risk for taking part in something of which YOU are all too afraid to do, even if you unconsciously know that what they are doing is right. YOU CANT REFORM CAPITALISM, THERE IS NO PEACE IN CLASS WAR.

Look at the ratio of violence committed by the police, in any Occupy protest (which is actually low, the cops have GENERALLY been pretty good), to that of the protestors. The protestors have done FAR less than what the cops have, and I've already said that the cops haven't been that bad, either. If you consider how long these things have been going on, and the again, incredibly infrequent bouts of violence, some of which were provoked, you can't possibly think that the Occupy movement is physically aggressive unless you have a preconceived narrative that your brain won't allow you to deviate from.

dEd Grimley,

The only person around here who seems to have a brain that can't deviate from its "preconceived narrative" is you.

Fact: The police did not force any member of the Occupy Movement to break into Oakland City Hall and burn an American flag.

Fact: The police did not initiate violence in most of the incidents until the Occupy protesters did. That has been proven repeatedly. Don't whine because the stupid protesters thought they could break the law and get away with it...and got proven wrong. If you are stupid enough to resist arrest when you are breaking the law, then you deserve whatever happens to you.

Fact: Police did not force any member of the Occupy Movement in any city to damage public or private property, though such damage has occurred in multiple cities.

Fact: Members of Occupy movements in multiple cities have thrown rocks at police officers, attempted to forcibly block roads and businesses and have committed numerous other acts that can easily be categorized as "physically aggressive".

I really feel sorry for people like you. You're too blind and ideologically bound to simply acknowledge the fact that these people have no moral high ground on which to stand on. You will excuse any actions they engage in because you sympathize with them.

You're part of the problem. Nice job.

Fact: The American Flag is nothing but cloth used as means to encourage vulgar nationalism. What is America, and what is there to be proud of?

Fact: The law is what binds us to our economic slavery, it is merely an apparatus to which capital chains us.

Fact: Police departments are bureaucracies that enforce the class division, which is apparent in their repression of the working class, of all ethnic backgrounds. The police are not our allies, they are the strong arm of capital, fit for the lions, and nothing other, should they choose to bear arms against us.

Fact: People like you are so ideologically bound to bourgeois democracy, you fail to see that none of our issues can be resolved by entering into a polling booth. You're part of the problem, sometimes, I feel a hatred for you, even if you're part of the working class, because you always feel obliged to act against your own interests, especially in condemning those who really do. In fact, I sometimes despise progressives more than I do conservatives, with their optimistic, rose-tinted glasses which shield them from reality. If only we had another election term, if only we once again had a Democratic controlled congress, if only Bill Clinton wasn't a reactionary who we nevertheless laud, if only capitalism were more benign, if only we weren't so irrational, if only, if only.

Fact: Radical social transformation is crying out, all across the world, but your perspective of whitewashed picket fences, Lunesta commercials with translucent neon butterflies, a decrepit American dream that was built upon financial bubbles, Starbucks, and Toyota Prius' obstruct you from hearing it.

Fact: Those who go beyond the constraints which capital imposes upon us are those who are truly free, even if just for a moment. Those, and not the ones who deploy to some foreign country to succumb to an unfortunate death for imperialism, are the heroes. Workers in India took vengeance upon a factory boss who used police to redress their grievances, which resulted in the death of 1 worker and the injury of 10. Heroes. Occupy? Heroes. They took the first steps necessary to put into motion of what is yet to come. Emphasis on Oakland.

Fact: I feel sorry for the world that liberals exist, with their unrelenting "if only." You're supposed to be our allies, yet you reside somewhere between heaven and hell, clinging to your convictions while they scream at you in the face. Pitiful, trite, repugnant.

Fact: Something's going to give. There is no peace in class war, capitalism in decline. Put the old world behind you.

Let's try a different approach... So there's this image:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VIhD4BrCl5s/TtOomOtgqwI/AAAAAAAAAAY/hWqJj1BITZk/s1600/occupy_pepper_spray_AP111118053177_fullwidth_620x350.jpg

And then there's this sound, which should be what you hear in your head as you look at that picture and make that argument:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

The law is what binds us to our economic slavery, it is merely an apparatus to which capital chains us.

That is your opinion it sounds like you just have not spent the time to learn how money works. You like to have memorized all the stats of ever NFL player in the supper bowl.

Fact: Police departments are bureaucracies that enforce the class division, which is apparent in their repression of the working class, of all ethnic backgrounds.

I have never seen them do that in the last 40 years. The do wonders at remove drunks that piss allover themselves.

Fact: Radical social transformation is crying out, all across the world,

The ignorant usually rebel against something they don't understand.

Fact: Those who go beyond the constraints which capital imposes upon us are those who are truly free,

No your free when people stop taking advice from broke friends on how to handle money. Most millionaires are self made and have paid the price to be there. most people don't even know what most millionaires are. Most millionaires paid for their own college, most never inherited more than 10,000, Most have been married to the same woman for 30 years or more, most never paid more than 30K for a vehicle, and most are over 55. So yes they are self made and earned it their income is 100K-250K.Did you know the number one vehicle a millionaire drives is an F-150? They live well in their means and most you would not recognise.

DED I see nothing wrong in how the officers handled this incident.

The ignorant usually rebel against something they don't understand.

I think you ought to go through your post and check for spelling and grammar errors before you start calling other people ignorant.

caballojoe

Bruce-308647, since you find it acceptable to speak for your fellow countrymen, allow me to be just as presumptuous. Occupiers, don't listen to Bruce. He is dead wrong and doesn't speak for Americans. He speaks for only one, and that's Bruce-308647. He may not believe in democracy, freedom, and responsibility, but you do and many Americans still do. Stand by your convictions. THAT is the American way. And when somebody presumes to tell you that you have lost ALL credibility, know that it is that person's credibility that is woefully lacking.

Joe, I am pretty sure that I DO speak for the vast majority of my countrymen... You folk in your little tent communes don't have a clue what's going on in the outside world, because in your little world "Occupy" is the ONLY thing going on. You guys are a back page story now, when you are mentioned at all, and even then ONLY when you act up and show American the lawless bunch of rabble you are. You cling to it because you have nowhere else to go, but your 15 minutes of fame is long over.

I am never going to be a part of your so called 99% !

The OWS and groups like them are trash ! They do not represent people like me !

Are you kidding me? You don't think Democrats are the same? What about Bloomberg in New York? Tons of pepper spraying and beatings took place in New York under his watch. He's protecting his avenues of wealth, just like any Republican is going to do.

Party doesn't matter anymore. It's the elite, versus the rest of us. That's the only line of separation.

JoAnn -

I am hardly a "1%er", but the OWS 'protesters' do not represent even a tenth of the rest of the country. The want handouts, making them lazy bums in my book. If they want a college education or a house, they need to earn it. Nothing in life is free, and it's past time that they learned that.

Perhaps mommy and daddy should have told them 'no' more often instead of catering to their every whim. At least then they might realize that money does not grow on trees!

Thats the ticket, and its given to every American Voter. But its not free. It's paid for by the brave men and women in the US Military who are also part of this movement. The ones that made the ultimate sacrifice. Not the Wal Street wizards that are ripping our country blind and sit back and enjoy the freedom that others are paying for, or are paid for by those that died fighting their filthy wars. The wal street crooks and grover and his goonies in congress should join up and earn their fair share. Instead of sitting back and making NYPD and the rest of these police do their dirty work. WAKE UP AMERICA!

JoAnn - You are clueless in so many ways. Quit your whining about the 1% if you can't get your head beyond that then you are 100% worthless. I have to laugh, who are the 99%? I don't know one single individual that is part of that crowd.

I know many in the military, don't get me started on that son, you can't handle the truth.

If you know the military you know that there is a new study that suggest that there are a record number of women and men finding theirself homless as they return from their service. Also unable to find work and the suicide rate is up too. Obama is trying to help them bur the republicans are fighting him tooth and nail along with every other job proposal he trys to pass. grover and his goonies are paid obstructionist.

Ranman probably is a Larouche follower.

Romney gave $2.98 million in charitable donations and paid $3 million in taxes on $21.7 million in income, most of it capital gains income, taxed at 15%. So should he pay more in taxes and give less to charities?

and men finding theirself homless as they return from their service

That is sad it is easy to get a job. I wonder why they cant get one it is a walk down the street and I have 6 jobs lined up.

Thats because we all were going to be scrutinizing every line of his tax returns. He knew this. Let him release the last ten years and i'll believe it then. Although why does he want to take healthcare and social security from the poor and disenfranchised in this country. Most people can't even pay their bills much less give to charity and these charitys get rich too some how and ant all this a tax rite off too boot. Plus million dollar gifts to his kids. Get real and WAKE UP AMERICA! I guess there not used to working at mcdonalds and wendys and krystal and taco bell like you are.

You want to organize on facebook? Lets see that is the the guy that is worth like $100 billion. Guess you need those 1%.

Most people can't even pay their bills much less give to charity

Giving to charity is easy. and if you cant pay your bills you need to live your pay.

Terry Do you even know what sacrifices people do to become a millionaire?

Yeah Auto, Look at all the sacrifices Paris Hilton made filming her dumb slut ass getting f*cked and posting it online. Its not like money has just been handed to her since the day she was born. She earned every last penny of it thru her sacrifices and selflessness.

Live your pay? What an ass! The majority of the people in this country don't earn enough for a dog to live on.

Terry, it is time to face the real world. The GOP led congress has proposed over 30 job bills to the Worthless POS called Obama, and he has rejected everyone, yet calls them obstructionist.

Yes, obama is trying to help the troops buy cutting defense spending, which, in turn, cuts military jobs...which in turn leads to needing less soldiers, because they are no longer needed. unemployment is still 8.6% and the 800 BILLION stimulus spent did NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH.

We would all like to be rich. Some of us will. Most of us won't. Yes, some people are born into money, most of us are not. I will not be rich. I dont care. I get up and work every day, and I have since I was old enough. It is not fun but I dont blame rich people for having more than me. I could have been more, or gotten more if I had chosen to go to school longer, or picked another profession. I made a choice, I live within my means. I dont live in government subsidised housing and drive a new car. I work overtime for extra money and to pay bills. And believe it or not, after all of that, I am still happy. No new car, no trip to Hawaii, no 2 story house, hell...just an ex-wife and child support ( but I got a good kid out of it).

I know the person working in McDonalds works. I also know my Doctor works. My Doctor I trust with my life, so I expect him to make more money than the person who gave me fries.

I'm sorry Paris Hilton upsets some of you because she was born into money and filmed herself having sex. I dont care, thats her life. Are you going to occupy the Superbowl next because its not fair someone having fun is making millions, and God knows any occupier could play football just as well??? Its just an analogy, but really...whats next.

These guys are about out of control but the mainstream of OWS is not about causing trouble. It's not about asking for handouts. It's not about blaming rich people for their problems.

It's about freedom and equal opportunity. If you work hard you should have a chance to make it, but you do not. The rich buy the government and rig the game in their favour. All you conservatives should be allied with OWS in this cause. Corporatism and corrupt government is bad for liberals, conservatives, and libertarians.

Lawdog,

Are you a police officer or a reject from the police academy suffering from extreme wantabeism?

Exactly Jim, I go to school 17 hours a week and work 25+ hours a week, and its insulting to me when one of my roommates get government food stamps of around $240 who doesn't work a job and doesn't go to school. I have to look at my check stubs and see 25-30% taken out every week when I only make around $300-400 a week. What makes his lazy ass any better than my hard working ass? Nothing. Only the dems that want his vote. And its ridiculous. I cannot understand how any decent person can support them or their positions.

Yeah Auto, Look at all the sacrifices Paris Hilton made filming her dumb slut

Do you even know what most millionaires are? Paris Hilton is one of the minorities. Most millionaires paid for their own college, most never inherited more than 10,000, Most have been married to the same woman for 30 years or more, most never paid more than 30K for a vehicle, and most are over 55. So yes they are self made and earned it their income is 100K-250K.Did you know the number one vehicle a millionaire drives is an F-150? They live well in their means and most you would not recognise.

JoAnn-1038484

"The 99% will speak loud and clear on election day in the November election"

Most of them don't vote and don't bother to register to vote. They will make no difference in any election.

Tammy- I need to get you to explain that to my wife!

I received an email from one of the so called leaders, several pages long, filled with Marxist, Anarchistic, and socialistic dribble, which never got to the point of what these outcasts are protesting for.

It contained slogans, excerpts from books and and articles from Marx, other socialists and anarchists.

Then he had the nerve to say he was protesting that people where successful in the U.S. and he was not!

I asked what percentage of the protesters were on welfare, getting food stamps, and other government handouts.

DEAD SILENCE!

I imagine they are complaining about not getting enough handouts and face the prospects of getting a job!

Brendon - Best check out facts a little more closely. There are no guarentees that those making an effort to succeed will. About 80% of new businesses will fail within their first two years of operation. There is no evidence that corporations or the wealthy are conspiring to limit anyones options to legally succeed as well.

If you want to make the argument that government regulations are out of control and hindering growth and opportunities that is another matter entirely. A matter that I can agree with, our government IS out of control.

@flameaway - what Lawdog said was his opinion, something he is entitled to say -You could agree to disagree with him since we you are unable to have a conversation of meaning. I'm sure he has clear thoughts on why he does not agree with the OWS - personally, I don't know your thoughts, you only spat in the face of a differing opinion.

To make a comment like yours, to try to hurt or inflame Lawdog is not only against the CoH, but it reflects poorly on you. Just because we are "anonymous" on NV - doesn't mean we should let civility fly out of the window.

There is always something to learn from another flameaway - even from someone you disagree with.

Lawdog, You did not belittle the protestors, you did not "sling mud," you just stated your personal opinion, for that, you should NOT be called a name.

The funniest part is Joann things Obama is on her side. That alone gave me hardy laugh this morning. All he and is ilk want is for us to be slaves to the government to solidify their power over us all.

I wonder if Joann will learn this before or after it's too late?

...if you think Paul supports, or condones the actions by these violators you are delusional...

Hey soothsayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=6cJCqw8XVw0&annotation_id=annotation_863801&feature=iv&v=vDdSF59PyPI

You can go put your foot in your mouth now.

I completely agree that there is a Revolution starting to take place, but we don't need Ron Paul to do it. I support him and what he represents however he's just one crack of many in this dam of suppression. I'm not affiliated with OWS. OWS is simply a physical manifestation of fundamental grievances people have with society. Being there isn't going to change any policy or system but what it will do is initiate a change in perception inside of people and that is what will ultimately bring about the changes we need. We don't need politicians or governments to do it. All that is needed is a collective mass to decide and it will happen.

If the 99% has anywhere near the support of even 60% of Americans, then why not form a third political party? You would win every election, and with your leaders in power you would get everything you want. All of the problems as stated on OWS websites would be solved by your leaders. Is that not a logical argument? So I ask, what you waiting for?

...if you take the time to actually listen to the what he says in the out-of-context-edited piece you would understand that he is referring to the Tea party movement and and that the OWS are the late-comers that aren't perfect...

You're wrong again, or intentionally lying. They even posted the source below the video.

http://amherst.patch.com/articles/ron-paul-defends-occupy-wall-street#video-8518569

Revolution, The "Revolution" never ended guy. What revolution are you referring to? The one agitated for by those who aren't rich, who never will be rich? Lol, that revolution has been a ring around the neck of Man since the first caveman decided that the guy in the neighboring cave had more and mobilized his fellows to go and take it away from him. You want that revolution to begin? Cool, have a ball, go into the streets and take what you think is obviously yours; Everything that you don't have but others do have. Folks like you rail against the greedy rich, and what is it that you want? "Lol, everybody elses."

Scarlett31 I hesitate to ask if you, and some others above, can even adequately define what a "Socialist" is. Though it's irrelevant really for we already live in a "socialist" world, whether or not you like it, for the global debt is socialized and we are all paying for it. Though I shouldn't expect you to have a good grasp of economic policy, the Fed, the IMF, the ECB, or where your name is used to sign for the tab of others. Another fault in your logic is as an American we all have the right to determine what we want this country to be; so if these "jerks" are plentiful and active then they have every right, as do you, to turn the country into the Socialist State you fear. Have a nice nightmare. . .

One can not get "equal" justice until they do equal work. The occupiers are asking others to GIVE them something. Who do they think can or will make things right for THEM? All of the people who are rich GAVE us something....in exchange for our money. They did not take it. And if the occupiers think that someone is going to give them more than THEY have, they are dreaming. The giver is always in control. You want more, do more.

Oh no! There's another Scarlet on here (a Scarlett, but close enough) and we disagree on everything. I hope we don't get confused, because it won't make much sense to see "I stand in solidarity with the occupiers!" "I think the occupiers are freeloading jerkoffs!" LOL

rofl, I'm a paid troll? God damn, some of you have gone ape@!$%#.

Ranman,

You mean you act like this for free? :)

Please revolution. 3000-5000 does not make a revolution. I believe more people are against the movement.

Anyone on this site ought to know that when it comes to politics, the essence of what you have here is a Clearinghouse for Inbred Liberal Dogma.

md: I'm interested in how you think you personally would be affected if the 1% paid a 90% tax rate on the "excess" portion of their income? Do you actually believe that the feds would turn around and disperse a portion of this revenue to you? You actually believe that your life would improve in some way, manner or form by the feds taking from these so-called 1%ers and suddenly everything would equal and fair?

Horrible day when we are burning our countries flag.

juanita, that is so true. The entire political system is so currupt that nothing good can come from it. The government needs to spend less and tax less. But the way it is set up they only want to tax less on themselves and spend less on the other guy. It should be across the board. Give me my money and let me decide on what to do with it but keep the business out of the governments pockets so I have a voice in what they do with the money I have to give them.

These Oakland OWS protesters are nothing more than a bunch of common criminals. How does breaking into a public building and smashing and burning things get anything accomplished. All it does is cause them to have absolutely no credibility. They are a bunch of anarchists who just like destroying things. They should be treated like the criminals they are. In addition, the should all have their bank accounts seized by the city of Oakland to pay for all of the damage they have caused. There is no reason that the taxpayers should have to foot the bill for these idiots willful destruction of public property.

You can see from the photo at the start of the article that these so called protesters are so proud of what they are doing that they feel it is necessary to hide their faces. Do you think maybe it is because they know what they are doing is wrong and illegal and are trying to get away with it!!! True protesters are proud to be identified with their cause, they do not hide their faces. These rioting anarchists do not represent anyone but themselves - they certainly do not represent the 99% of Americans they claim to represent. I would venture to say that a large majority of the population are thoroughly disgusted by their actions, particularly the burning of the American Flag. Anyone who truly cared about this country enough to protest to try and change things that they see as wrong with it would never even consider burning the flag. If you look closely you can even see that the criminal with the mask on the left hand side of the picture at the top of the article is flashing a Mexican gang sign with his right hand.

Common criminals. Whatever it takes to remove them is what should be done. screw the press.

If your wondering about your options for your next home, might I suggest Syria?

The weather is toasty and the street parties are a blast! Just perfect for the OWS lover !

Probably work there too, doglaw. Probably China is where all Americas work has gone, Syria has the oil yall love so much, like Irans oil was going to pay for the war there.

knightyterry Go on over there and work in Syria, bathe in their oil and keep it all for yourself.

Oh, the people stuck in the U.S. would be so envious of you then !

Make Mommy and Daddy proud, I dare you.

The way these republican saleoutsare going we will all be working for china and every other third world nation. I know all the customer service I get always comes from some foreign speaking person from somewhere oversewas. India japan africa. It's part of bushes Global Economy. I guess i8t comes from the same place romney has all his money to keep from paying taxes.

lol...You two are funny the way you change each other's name...I feel like I'm watching an episode of Pee Wee's Playhouse

@lawdog

Are you suggesting the OWS would be better served as armed rebels like the Syrian protesters?

Lawdog,

When you are cramming donuts in your face, are you thinking about your nightstick? :D