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Subscribe to RSSPolice have told Trista Reynolds the 'significant amount' of blood found in the home where her missing daughter Ayla was last seen is indeed Ayla's.
WATERVILLE, Maine -- Some of the blood found in a Maine home where a missing toddler was last seen six weeks ago belonged to the little girl, an official said Sunday.
State Police spokesman Steve McCausland would not say how much of Ayla Reynolds' blood was found in her father's home in Waterville, where exactly it was found or how long it might have been there.
"Our first priority is finding Ayla,” McCausland told the Bangor Daily News.
But investigators told Ayla's mother's family that the amount of blood was "more blood than a small cut would produce," according to a family-run website.
"Even in light of this evidence we are more determined than ever to find out what has happened to Ayla and we still cling to the hope that she is alive and will be returned to us," the website said. "We urge anyone that has information about Ayla to come forward now and unburden yourself of the truth."
According to Alya Reynolds' father, she was wearing green pajamas with polka dots and the words "Daddy's Princess" on them when she was last seen on Dec. 16.
Broken arm
Ayla's father, Justin DiPietro, reported her missing Dec. 17. He had put her to bed the night before and said she wasn't there the next morning. DiPietro told police she was wearing green pajamas with polka dots and the words "Daddy's Princess" on them and had a soft cast on her broken left arm.
DiPietro could not immediately be reached for comment Sunday; his cellphone voicemail was full and unable to accept messages.
After hours of intense questioning, the mother of missing toddler Ayla Reynolds says she had to stop participating in a lie-detector test due to a medical condition. NBC's Aditi Roy reports.
Ayla was 20 months old when she disappeared. She had been staying with her father at the time in the house where DiPietro lives with his mother. Her mother, Trista Reynolds, lives in Portland.
The blood was among hundreds of pieces of potential evidence that were removed from the Waterville home as part of a criminal investigation into the girl's disappearance.
Trista Reynolds and DiPietro were photographed together at a vigil for Ayla on Saturday.
WCVB quoted Trista Reynolds as saying she was "ready to go knocking at people's doors myself because I want to know what happened to my daughter. "
'It was a surprise'
Trista Reynolds' father said the family was told late Saturday by McCausland that blood found in the home was determined to be Ayla's.
"It was a surprise," Ronald Reynolds said.
He said police did not give any indication what the discovery means.
Ronald Reynolds said he is convinced the family in DiPietro's house has more information than they have shared.
Trista Reynolds, the mom of missing Maine toddler Ayla, tells TODAY's Matt Lauer she's still suspicious of the baby's father for his sudden interest in the case.
"Every day, it gets hotter and hotter," he said. "I hope they pull them back in, set them down and give them the opportunity to say something."
DiPietro, his mother and a third adult were home the night of Dec. 16, and police have questioned all three, McCausland said Saturday.
"We believe they have not given us the full story," he said.
DiPietro has said he took a polygraph test, but has declined to say what the results were.
The Associated Press and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.
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I am so sick of hearing about people hurting their children.
If you don’t want your child give them to someone you mom, a sister, or a
friend if you don’t have anyone that you know take them to a church, hospital, or
fire station and hand them to the first person that you see look them in the
eyes say I just can’t do it no more and walk away but stop killing these kids.
As a mother I can’t imagine ever hurting my child. This is very sad this child
had a mother that wanted her back why didn’t he just give her back.
There is a VERY SPECIAL VERSION of hell awaiting those who would hurt children. I know it is difficult to raise children, be responsible, even in these hard economic times. All the more reason to go after white collar criminals because when they steal they are committing economic genocide, which kills silently. Ask for help people. I am sure someone will be willing to help.
In every state, the deal should be: Murdered child = Death Penalty.
Prison is better punishment. An inmate with a conviction for murdering a child is a popular target for violence in the prison system. And the parent would have decades to re-live the horror that they have caused for their child. Prison is simply a much more cruel and bitter punishment. Death is too lenient.
AMEN!!!!! Why can't we get a law like this passed? It has become commonplace to hear almost daily about a child missing and then later found dead. There is absolutely NO excuse to harm a child. PLEASE, for God's sake stop this insanity!!!!!!
there is prison justus that awate people who hur children
Problem with just letting them rot in prison is that they'll be seperated from the general population for the very reason that they are there. Everyone knows that the criminal element inside a prison would obliterate these worthless sacks in less than a day. The prison officials know it, and so do the child killers.
Regardless... I hate knowing that my taxes pay for animals like these and give them 3 meals a day, a roof over their head, and a bed. They probably get cable TV too... and for what? It's over 40,000 USD per year for one of these parasites to be in prison. I think a 1.17$ .45 calibur bullet is a considerably cheaper and more reasonable manner.
And to those who are anti-death penalty... well, its obvious to me you've never lost a loved one to a monster. You'd be singing a different tune altogether if you had.
Trust me, life in prison is so much better. He will be in a living hell first in prison, before he goes to the real hell. They will do things to him in prison that will be unspeakable.
gop hammer
Where do I begin??
What odd comments, starting with MahamadousRhonda's "I am so sick of hearing about people hurting their children." Nowhere in this story does it say anything about anyone hurrting their children. Those who jump to that conclusion are revealing a bit about their own dark desires.
Rick-881466, Like it or not, there is a pretty good chance that the father did it. And your comment and conclusion attacking MahamadousRhonda's comment were moronic. Her comment simply comes from reading news story after news story about children being hurt, usually by a parent.
Life in prison just means that we will have to feed him for the rest of our lives and his. Really don't want to do that.
And Rick-881466, anybody that spills a small cup of their own blood must've been hurt pretty bad. Now picture a toddler spilling a small up of her blood...
@Malfean, I've had an uncle who was murdered with a handgun in a home invasion, and yet I still have concerns about using the death penalty AND...I still support the right to own firearms.
I was raised Republican and am now a vaguely right-leaning Independent, and people as seemingly uneducated as gop hammer make me ashamed to have been raised Republican.
To clarify, I don't mean anything against gop hammer himself, but in general, people who classify themselves as Republican and exhibit what seems to be such a low level of education give Republicans a bad name.
this case appears to be coming together.
Rick - jumping to conclusions, is what logical people do given a logical amount of evidence.
no one here is saying with absolute CERTAINTY that the dad is responsible (or one of the adults that were there that night)...but seriously?
and I cant help but make judgements based on how they look..like cracked out meth heads.
I dont think either the mom or the dad was in line to win parent of the year prior to this anyway.
Wow where do I start?
Rick- Usually when you find a "significant" amount of blood in a missing persons case, you can usually assume that foul play was involved. Otherwise, where is the child? Why is there no record of her going to an emergency room if she lost that much blood? Where is she??? It is safe to assume that they will be burying this childs bones soon.
MsPiven- Anybody from anywhere can display such "low levels of intelligence." It doesn't necessarily mean that they are Republicans or Democrats. Heck, there's "vaguely right-leaning Independents" who judge people solely on their ability or lack thereof of spelling. Get over yourself.
Malfean- I prefer child killers to be drawn and quartered myself, or maybe the brass bull. The Romans had some really good ideas when it came to those who broke the law.
The father took a lie detector test but declined to say what the results were. Hummmm...I guess he probably failed..??
First of all they have not said how much blood was found!! They did say that it was more than would come from a "SMALL" cut!!! What is their opinion of a small cut, something that is 1/10000th of an inch? I once poked my finger in the basement of my house on the edge of the furnace duct, it wasn't a cut but a tiny little hole and that damn thing bled every bit of at least 1/2 to 3/4 of a tablespoon of blood before it stopped bleeding! The police and DA's use deception by omission when they are on a hunt to get someone and one of their first priorities is to slant the general public’s opinion of the person that they suspect or want to pin it on!!! This also tends to bring out people who are more than willing to make other accusations true or not or bring up their own personal "feelings/suspicions" (and that is ALL they are) about the accused that the police and DA are more than willing to use against the ones they are looking to convict! If anyone can remember the needles in the Pepsi cans fiasco that broke lose 15 years or so ago where one person made the claim that they found a needle in a can of Pepsi and the next thing you know there are people all across the country that have found one or two cans with needles or screwdrivers, assault rifles, M1 tanks etc in their Pepsi cans, it is the grab the attention while you can syndrome or the get it while the getting is good mentality and this is exactly what they (the police/DA) are looking for, they want anything that can paint the accused in a negative light and secure a conviction!!
I am by no means saying that the father/girlfriend/houseguest are innocent or have nothing to do with it (although if you think about it when it comes to a small child and the amount of trouble/public hatred that follows, the "Family friend" that was there when this supposedly happened, once the heat got poured on like it is now you would figure that they would be singing like a bird to either save their own a$s or talk because it would simply be the right thing to do) but by all means there is little to "prove" that they did anything that equates to killing the little girl as of yet!!!
When the police chief was on the news saying that he couldn’t believe that someone could come in and takes the little girl and not one person in the house wake up or hear something/someone taking her and attempt to stop them!! Does anyone remember Polly Klaas?? She was having a sleepover at her house and was in a room FULL of other girls (AND she was older than this little girl by a long shot) yet she was plucked right out of her house and not one person noticed until hours later!!! I would bet the farm that the father, girlfriend and friend were either drinking alcohol or using some other mind altering drugs or both which would lead to them being able to sleep thru an earthquake or the house blowing away without them noticing let alone someone purposely being sneaky and quiet as possible!!
With almost record numbers of people in the last 5 years being let loose from prison for crimes they were convicted of yet found innocent of years/decades later!! It is time to let the police do their work and not let the media and public opinion convict people before all evidence is presented in its ENTIRETY for a jury to them let them decide!
It states that they found blood.... that is was more than a "small cut would produce" it could have been anything from a bloody nose what do they say a small cut would be in their eyes.... nor how long it has been. Lay off people would you.... there are still no suspect let alone are they saying that Justin did it!
mspiven: GOP hammer is simply a troll who tries to write in a dumbed down manner to trash a particular party. It's childish and has no place on a vine that is not about politics.
Just some FYI for all of the posters this morning. Due to cable TV and the Internet information and news is shared more quickly and is more readily available then ever before in the history of mankind. This is one reason it appears this type of crime is happening more frequently. Population growth is another reason, as the population increases so does the percentage of crimes committed. In addition, an average of 200 children are murdered each year by a parent. Most cases you never hear about because the media choses which cases to report on or sensationalize. I am saddened by these instances, but not surprised. People commenting about giving the child away as opposed to murdering the child don't seem to realize these are usually crimes that occur accidentally through a fit of anger or mental instabillty. Only rarely does a parent intentionally set out or make a plan to murder their child. In these cases the crime is usually motivated by jealousy of the child or the desire to hurt a family member through the child's death.
Be EXCELLENT to each other, peace out.
she " vanished" on his watch. He is therefore responsible....how so ? time will tell if he was negligent or if there was malicious conduct. The police seems determined not to let it go and that is a good sign. I think they are determined to get to the bottom of it. She could have been taken by one of his "friends" or he could have sold her. There is a market for pretty little blond girls.....and I think the mother knows something....maybe they are in this together. The blood means little....could have been a bloody nose and I doubt these people clean their house with any sort of effort. They were both broke and needed money as neither one of them could really care for this child. My gut tells me they sold her.
First off, why do some of you folks believe that a polygraph equals guilt? Before you jump on the father for not revealing the results to the public, know that can not be used in a court of law at all, and the mother never finished her test. No, I am not saying that I believe the father, but I don't trust the mother either. Another point, the police is putting this out there to rile up the public, i.e. mob mentality. I truly wish if folks are going to have kids please think about it. Also, I do believe in equal opportunity murder suspects. I don't automatically blame the mother or father, I think everyone is capable of doing harm.
dano-3878024
Lie detectors are a joke and junk science. My brother is a pathological liar and a thief. He tells lies on a frequent basis AND he believes his own lies. He can take a polygraph test, lie through his teeth, and pass with flying colors. He has done this many times over the last 40 years. I would NEVER agree to take a polygraph test and people can think whatever they want because I didn't.
Be EXCELLENT to each other, peace out.
How did an unspecified amount of blood in the basement become a "cup" of blood? (mike 1212005). Good way to start rumours. Perhaps an abductor carried the child through the basement. Nobody on Newsvine has any idea of what actually happened.
Abductions from homes occur all the time. Remember Polly Klaas? And more recently, a woman in North Portland Oregon abducted a small boy from his home. She was caught with him.
Makes my heart hurt.......just hope it ends well for this little one. All we can do from the outside is hope for real justice for all other innocent children that have been harmed.
To MsPiven.....Your comments towards gop hammer, make me glad I'm not a Republican. This person made the same comments as others, yet because there are spelling/grammar mistakes, you feel the need to bash this person. To criticize someone that may or may not have the same degree of education as yourself, must make you feel BIG! You made no comment on the subject at hand?! I kinda feel sorry for you also. Try having a heart & get off of your high-horse! You're right----you should be ashamed----of yourself.
@Realist,
My only point is that it makes him look guilty. He would be much better off in my opinion not to take the test at all rather than withhold the findings.
Sorry about your brother. I have an X wife like that...
First off, The state police have NOT said how much blood there was, so how did supposed"Lwe Enforcement" people tell the Mother anything?
Secondly, for all her tv appearances and media whoring, her last statement that she would go knocking on doors to find about her daughter was the FIRST time she even HINTED she would actively search for her own Daughter. The Mother was in rehab and never went back to see her daughter after getting out of rehab, she was only 75 miles away.There is even Bus service between where she is and where her daughter was., The Mother pushed a custody issue, just before the daughter disappeared. The Police should look at the mother/Stepfather/ friends/lawyers/ ect on the Mothers side , remember, the majority of kidnappings are family related , and usually child custody related?
Not all the blood found was the girls, AND the blood found was not visible to the naked eye, that was announced in another story, can anyone tell me how blood thats from more than a small cut, is yet not visible to the naked eye? The blood about half of you get when you test your blood sugars is usually less than a single drop, yet thats easily visible to the naked eye.
There are far too many questions unanswered by EVERYONE involved, to make a decision, but of course most of you have already convicted the "Man" and his evil penis of death, simply because of he is a man, no other reason.
Oh no. I thought msnbc was a bit more consistent than this. The title should be "Father suspected of possible Honor Killing" or are such headlines only reserved for those of Arabic decent?
Wood and grout and other porous objects absorb blood or anything liquid really. Even if you clean the crime scene with bleach and make sure you get every spot that you can SEE, you will not get everything out because it has been absorbed into the material where the body was. Luminol can show blood in the wooden handle of a knife many years after the crime was committed.
And for everyone saying "you'd find blood in my house from accidents" cops know this, CSI knows this. They acknowledge blood they find in various spots of the house and slowly eliminate those of a lesser degree. Why else do you think they spend so long combing the area for evidence? Blood patterns are pretty amazing if that is your thing.
Just because little Billy busted his lip last month and bled all over the floor doesn't mean its going to be the same amount or the same pattern as little Lisa getting her head smashed in by daddy.
Forensics make the world go 'round.
Wow, I guess I was right when above (1.9) I said that those jumping to the conclusion that a parent has harmed her were revealing their own dark side. It bothered so many that you collapsed the comment. Now that'e even more revealing!
Radical1: The blood was not visible to the naked eye because it was cleaned up. Police use something called Luminol to test for blood. They can usually tell how much blood has been somewhere by the stain left that's "not visible to the naked eye."
Actually, Rick, if you can't understand why your comment #1.9 was collapsed, I guess it's because you didn't read Kevin's explanation in the post #1.10 after yours. It certainly didn't have ANYTHING to do with you being right, believe me.
I am quite disturbed by the fact that the media has already tried and convicted the father, who in my opinion has done the same thing as the mother (nothing) and yet he is being blamed. I watched Nancy Grace tonight and she wouldn't let a psychoanalyst (I believe) state her opinion and continued to yell at her whenever she would mention, well the mother is plopping up on tv and not doing searches and never finished the polygraph, but yet yells at the father who is showing up with a shirt on and not giving interviews, etc. Honestly, I don't know who did this, but I don't put it past anyone. What if this mother was the one who did this crime? Will that shut up Nancy Grace? And quite frankly, why would law enforcement tell the mother how much blood was found in order for the mother to put this on her facebook page? Wouldn't that be private info that could be used in a court of law.
Sorry about my first comment, everyone. I was sleep-deprived and not thinking clearly when I posted it.
I agree.. In these tough times it seems like more and more younger and/or inexperienced parents are doing the unthinkable. I'm a father as well and it makes my stomach sick to even process these stories. I pray this family finds justice.
Has no one heard of BIRTH CONTROL? If they used birth control, this poor baby would not be in this mess. With the easy availability & all the education about birth control & sex, why do these young people have children that they cannot support, nourish, educate or care for in a loving home?
Birth control is for the educated...in terms of a prescription and having the responsibility to take your pill every day. Implants are best for these people but they are uneasy with the concept. I am afraid, we cannot fix these problems since sterilization would make our society look like the Nazis. We simply have to suffer the consequences....as a society . Did I forget to mention...the responsible ? the mother was in rehab....was does it tell us ?
alumette, folks can get birth control for free if they want it, but most folks do not care, they think that it is okay to have as many kids as they want and then throw them on family and friends. It scares me how folks today are so technologically advanced and yet common sense stupid.
Carrying the baby and getting all the gifts/attention (mom) and cutting the cord (dad) are only your first job in a lifetime commitment to your child. I think many parents (younger and older alike) have no idea what they had signed up for and by no means were or are equipped to fulfill their obligation.
It's not rocket science. But, most young people can't commit to a lifetime of anything. It's the nature of being young. The consistence of a child isoverwhelming for a grown person. People having babies before they have matured are generally not capable or equipped to give a child what they need because they cannot even give it to themselves yet. I mean the human brain isn't even completely developed until your 23. Throw some ridiculous addiction and anger management on top of that and it's not surprising... Sad, but not surprising.
Oh and if you are a young parent who does their job without wanting a pat on the back, who pays their bills and has a job, I'm not talking about you.
A lot of times sex ed is the first thing to go from being taught in school. Parents get up in arms about someone teaching their children the fundamentals of sex ed, yet do nothing at home to teach their own kids responsibility. Parents also freak when schools hand out free condoms.
"These" people? lol wow your bigotry is leaking through alumette. I'm white, a college grad who came from an upper middle class community and I hated taking birth control pills. Can your crap of knowing what is best for people that you don't know. You can only judge what is best for you, stop acting high and mighty.
Btw, we did force sterilize people. Do you not remember a few months back the women (black) who had been sterilized without their knowledge or permission who came forward? Doctors did this to anybody who weren't white. Sure, they used the excuse of oh there's alcoholics in your past, or there's mental retardation but they just wanted to make sure minorities didn't procreate.
This mentality of yours is disgusting.
And as for you Montana, its too late to wonder if they heard about birth control
alumette, Norplant was discontinued in the US and the only thing resembling implants left is IUDs both hormonal and not. Even at free clinics these are available as is the information about them. Most people know they should use birth control they just don't.
Cptbrngdwn, that wasn't done to only black women. There were white women involved too. Ones that were poor or that they thought were mentally handicapped. It was also done to a few men both black and white. Terrible things people do to each other.
Really? I thought they just did it to the minorities, good to know though. Thank you F Walsh.
Sounds like maybe all the people who were in the house that night know what happened and won't say who took the baby and what happened to her. I think it's time for more questions till someone crack's and starts talking! I hope the baby is found alive .
Whomever has done evil will know it and be pursued by it for the rest of his/her life.....and then forever.
The "punishment" afflicted by such an awareness can never be washed out.....
..."out, out, damned spot!"
There are 310 million people living in this country. A handful of murders appears to be an epidemic because every case is plastered all over the news sites for months, even years, without missing a single day of coverage. Get real, people! There is no epidemic of parents murdering their children. Things are not getting worse, they only appear to be because you have internet access and can read about every case from coast to coast that you would not even know about otherwise. Yes, it is awful. Yes, it is horrifying. But stop making it out to be something that is happening "more and more often," 'cos it AIN'T!
I read CNN every day. Every day there is a story about a child who has been murdered at the hands of a parent, a boyfriend, and the like. You say there isn't an epidemic, I disagree. You can yell and scream all you want about how it "AIN'T" an epidemic, but I will ignore your tantrum. Sounding like a crazed individual isn't going to convince me. You need to get real, honey. Thank you.
It is an epidemic in Oklahoma, we just don't make the news......the abuse and murder of children is an indictment of our system that has decided parents have total control over their children.
Alex, I have to agree more with Shandril. Assuming that your informal measurement is accurate, and it may be, and that these incidents occur at a rate of one a day in this country, that would mean that every year there were 365 such horrid tragedies in a nation of 310 million people. That comes out to one in 849,315, or very approximately, .0001% of the population.
This is hardly an epidemic.
The modern media focuses on these murders because of their deep emotional impact, which is understandable. But this focus may skew our sense of how commonly they occur and whether they are more or less common than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
Whether Shandril is absolutely correct in his assessment that it is not happening more frequently than before can only be told by comparing crime statistics, not by casual reading of CNN, or any other Internet news service.
btw: he does not come across like a crazed individual to me, just a trifle brusque, just as you seem a bit strident in your response.
How come the media doesn't focus on the children Obama murders with drone strikes in Pakistan?
So far over 168 children have been murdered by drones in Pakistan. I guess it's okay when the government does it, since our elected masters are above the law.
Mike, the story is about a probable domestic crime. There are are plenty of other threads where you can express your feelings on drone attacks in Pakistan.
Kathryn...Who do you suggest have "total control" over everyone's children, if not the parents?
I didn't see it mentioned, but perhaps I missed it.....Was it explained why little Ayla had a soft cast on her arm?
Statistically speaking, when the Economy is in the dumps (as it currently is) violence and crime go up, not done (and do not stay stagnant), especially domestic violence.
so im not shocked, that if lately it FEELS like worse and worse things are happening, it's probably because it statistically is true.
and yes, we also report on it more.
IF by some random chance the adults in this situation had nothing to do with the childs disappearance, the only other thing I can sorta wonder about is child trafficking.
we here in america are really good at turning a blind eye to a real ugly reality in this world, that children are being kidnapped and trafficked into child sex slavery...it's not as common in the US, but still is happening hear. lots of sex rings have been busted, but they usually are just teens and adults, not children.
anywho...it's a dark ugly world out there, in part...because the ALEX's of the world tell us "there's nothing to see here, nothing to worry about"
sorry, but one kid killed IS something to worry about...and why we cant be bothered to care more, until EVEN MORE of them die...is beyond me.
Aggie- she had had a broken arm I believe from an accident around the house. Her dads house.
Soft casts are different than hard casts though.
Shandril, thank you. I too have to have that talk with folks in the office who think it's the end of the world. No, it's the invention of 24/7 news that makes you think that everything is horrible. If you just look and listen to CNN/Nancy Grace/Jane Velez Mitchell all the time, it's very alarmist that all kids are being killed by some stranger. This sort of stuff has always happened, we just didn't have the news, internet to broadcast it every five minutes.
Shandril is right. Please do an Internet search. This is not an epidemic. While you're at it please stop labeling poor young people as bad parents. Being older and having money doesn't automatically make you a good parent.
Kathryn Sullivan...I live in OKC (have my whole life) and child murder IS NOT an epidemic in Oklahoma. Unless you want to count all of the incidents where the Department of Human Services is to blame, there is your epidemic!
Be EXCELLENT to each other, peace out.
Even one child murdered by his/her parent is horrific to me. A couple of hundred? Yes, that's an epidemic and I don't care if it's out of 4 billion. It's too f*cking many. The number should be zero.
Kat...the final word on THIS discussion, and the hands down best! Thank you, Kat.
Admirable sentiment, but not one for this world. Yes, one murder of a child by his or her parent is too many. No, you'll never construct a society so pefect and safe that such events will cease to happen, and in trying to achieve such a goal it is likely more harm will be done than good.
Any reports of how the child's arm was broken?
I believe I read Ayla's father said he was carrying both her and a bag or bags of groceries into the house, tripped, and fell, and I believe fell on her, causing the break. In other words, he said it was an accident. Not sure if it was a hair-line fracture or how obvious it was that she was injured. From what I can tell, the doctors didn't suspect abuse at the time.
I was wondering the same thing.....hoping this poor child wasn't in an abusive home. I know accidents do happen, but sometimes it makes you wonder.
Don't always assume that a small child's injury was made by an abusive parent. One of my daughters had a broken arm at age 3 and it happened on the playground at the daycare, with witnesses. The same daughter and her younger sister also had a condition called 'nursemaid's elbow'. When you pull a small child by the forearm when it is in a lax postion (ie, not gripping with the hand), the elbow joint can become dislocated. Once you know how to do it, it's just a matter of popping it back into place. The doctor explained to us that it's pretty common in children younger than about six years old and has to do with the development of the bones/ligiments, etc. While my other three children all seemed to have a good sense of balance (good for them, as they were pretty fearless), one of them seemed to just be accident-prone. She bumped her head so much when learning to walk that we got her a helmet until she mastered it. We were very loving, attentive parents, as were both sets of grandparents, so don't always assume that a child is from an abusive home because there are injuries.
Aw but Pam, Alambama! It's so much easier to just point fingers and blame the parents for every little thing that happens! Screw using common sense anymore! Where's the fun in that? Besides, if people were to realize that kids are clutzy, then think of how many therapists we'd put out of a job!
For example, my 4 year old yesterday was just having a super clutzy day. He tripped I don't know how many times over his own feet, he was jumping on the bed and ended up flying over the edge, then he got back up and jumped on the bed again only to hit his noggin on the dogs head. He bumped his chin, bit his lip and his tongue.
Wait, are you guys gonna call CPS on me because my kid isn't the most graceful yet?
/sarcasm
lock all of them in a 130 degree steam room without water until they confess.you know and i know they did it....then after they all guilty give em a noose round their necks and hang em high ...in public of course !!
While this would satisfy your desire for vengeance, torture has never been shown to be a reliable way to get the truth. People will say anything if you torture them long enough (but it's never the truth).
A better solution is to use old-fashioned police investigative work along with forensic analysis to find the truth.
We're in America not Iran or China.
Oh yes, let's tortue them so we can show that we're just as evil and no better than them...
You kidding me? You'd "admit" to raping your own family to get yourself out of a 130 degree steam room. A couple of hours at that temperature and humidity, and you're a deader. People say the darnedest things to save their own skins, you know?
Pretty sure if this guy was a minority, he would already be locked up and in an interrogation room since Saturday night. Just shows you the double standard of Law Enforcement in this country. How come it took them over a month to do a forensic search in the house she went missing from?
I don't think that is entirely true. I think it more depends on how much evidence there is and how the parent or parents actions are as to whether or not they are arrested. This isn't a race issue. This is parents harming their children.
Mogul...How do you KNOW they DIDN'T interrogate both parents for hours? I'm sure they did. The fact that both took polygraphs, which is another tool of interrogation, indicates the parents were, and probably still are being investigated. It takes TIME for evidence to be analyzed, sometimes even a month. So that blood evidence was probably collected some time ago, and they just now have the results. Better police take the time to investigate thoroughly, and get accurate forensics. AS Teri said, this is about a child and your concern should be on that, not on what color the child or her parent's are. Why do YOU focus on race?
Apparently you are unaware of the fact that he is a "minority." The number of "caucasions" in the United States has been long surpassed by the number of those of other racial backgrounds, largely in part due to the increase of "multi-racial" births. Also, he is a minority due to the fact that women outnumber men in the U.S. as well. However, if you want to get very technical, there is no such thing as race from a biological stand-point. Race is merely a concept designed by incorrect scientists decades ago who were attempting to classify human beings based on skeletal structures. In all actuality, "race" is simply genetic variation, much like how a person can have various eye colors. So you can feel free to take your misinformed political statements elsewhere. Oh, and forensic research in real life takes much longer than on TV and in movies. In order to get conclusive evidence that it was the child's blood, the sample would have to be analyzed in a lab which really takes weeks. Not minutes.
MahamadousRhonda
I agree, we hear much too much of either a child being killed or hospitalized or maimed by the parent or the parents boy/girlfriend. Enough of the PC attitude that says you must give keep the child with the parents no matter how bad the situation. Just like "rehabilitating" sex offenders, they claim to "rehabilitate" the bad parents. Rarely does it work, and often it has disastrous consequences. Anything involving the government gets screwed up. How many kids end up dead even after social services intervention often more than once? People who cook meth with kids in the house get the kids back. WHY? One parent, usually the mother gets the kid on a quick court decision and it takes moving heaven and earth to change that even when the child is suffering physically and/or mentally from the cruelty of the possessing parent. This is one of the most broken of our systems and needs to change. On the one hand we have more and more couples who would make great parents who can't have a child of their own and on the other hand we have those that selfishly hang onto a kid they really can't take care of and are not equiped to parent as if it was a possession and at times ends up like this. I say a parent who has a child and knows they are not ready or able to care for it, but gives it up to parents who will give it a good life are the real heros. Dogs and cats have litters, it is no big proof of a persons worthiness to be able to produce offspring. It is proof of real love to properly take care of the child God blesses you with our to provide it with the best life you can even if that means giving the child up.
This isn't CSI or Law and Order Mogul218! Crimes arent solved in 42 minutes with time left over so you can make your favorite snack.
In the real world, it can take MONTHS for results to come back from the lab, because guess what? the lab techs are working on other crimes!
I am so sick and fricking tired of the race card being played all the time, its nauseating. Tell me a race that hasn't been discriminated against, please. Just one. Can't do it? Didn't think so.
Next you'll want to tell me this is somehow Obama's fault. Or wait, are we still blaming Bush for everything? How about both?
is "white trash " not a minority ? I was hoping it would be. To think they are a majority is scary.
Evening. Once again I feel sick for these children who no longer walk this earth in your country and mine. Why do people do this? What is going through their minds when they commit these heinous acts. There are so many places that offer help if they are not coping or are in dire straits. There is no need for this to happen, yet it continues. I will never forget the day at work when it came on the radio that a father had thrown his 5 year old daughter of Melbourne's West Gate bridge. I thought they must have made a mistake...that can't be true...but it was.... He was going to throw his other 2 boys over as well, but people stopped and started to attack him, he took off and gave himself up to the cops. All to get back at his ex wife....What is wrong with us????
What is behind the epidemic of savagery against our precious innocent ones! There is a threatening significant trend.I pray for the baby and the "care-takers" responsible.Amen.
Since day 1 of hearing of this poor baby's disappearance, I've had the gut feeling her father was responsible. Unfortunately, now it is probably so. If that is the case, he should be hung by his 'private' parts New laws need to be passed changing the punishment for the parent's of these innocent children. They need to be sentenced to death. . . every one of them. To allow them to live, after such a heinous crime is unacceptable. In a case where the parent is found guilty of the demise of there child, even putting them to death themselves, is too civil. They don't deserve to be parents to begin with. Castrate them and leave them for dean!
While we would all agree with death as a sentence for parents who kill their children it would never be practical. The reason is that knowing there is a death sentence a parent would then go to extreme lengths. For example, killing any other witnesses (other children or family members). A crime punishable by death makes the crime more horrifying and destructive. Also, sometimes parents do stupid things. They didn't intend to kill the child only to perhaps terrorize the child or even simply punish (then they fall down the stairs or something and die). So, the parent becomes scared and tries to hide what happened. What we need is to have less severe punishments (not more severe). Then parents who accidentally kill their children (and it happens often) would not "freak out" and do even more stupid things.
How many innocent people have been convicted on gut feeling A E?
Who is dean?
Very few children are injured or killed by strangers.........very few pregnant women are killed by strangers......very few children are raped by strangers.........not hard to figure this one out.
Kathryn, we all know that, but how many strangers know that too? Do you think a stranger would not take advantage of the stats? I'm not saying that's the case here, but anything is possible.
ae what makes you think the father did it? have you looked at the mother? looks like a crack queen and imo I think she did it to get even with the father IMO.
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It was MY gut feeling, not the authorities. I'm not in any position to convict anyone, but I am in one to make a comment in reference to this story.
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It could have been either of them. I just think it was him. Whoever it was. . .they are still scumbags!
A E - I agree, I think the father knows. He's to evasive, and doesn't get involved. When he does get involved, it's not sincere. He should be in jail like Casey Anthony was, awaiting trial.
In jail like Casey Anthony and freed due to idiotic jury members........we likely should not expect justice for these poor children. Too sad to talk about. They will get it though....there is no escaping the universal laws...KARMA. What goes around, comes around.
Casey Anthony was not freed due to idiotic jury members. She was freed because the prosecution did not prove it's case. LEAVE THE JURORS ALONE!
I do believe in hard evidence too Ron. If folks think that the father did it in this case based on speculation, I guess Polly Klaas' father should be in jail also because they didn't believe that someone could get in the house and do something like that. No, I am not saying that happened in this case, but I say don't rule anybody out. And Casey got off because the prosecution couldn't connect anything imo. If the DA is going to go after someone, make sure you have proof that can connect the dots. It's like that with a lot of cases that are in the public view.
doesn't say much or prove anything. I'm certain that if you sprayed Fluorescein all over my house, you'd find plenty of my daughter's blood (who is a toddler as well). In the past year she has fallen while running in the house and there will be small traces of her blood on the carpet and the walls. 3 months ago she poked herself while playing with a thumbtack she had found and some of that blood is on the floor in the bedroom. Forensic science can detect extremely minute specks of blood and DNA but that only shows that the child was in that home. It does now show when or how the blood got there.
You are absolutely right. However, it was reported that more blood was found than would typically come from a "small" injury. Where it was found could also be significant. And if they found very large amounts, of course that is also significant. It might not necessarily mean she was abused or murdered, but it's an important clue in this case. It seems likely to me that Ayla's father and/or grandmother know more than they're saying. If so, I wish they would just admit the truth!
My son had a skin tag that developed its own blood vessel on his chest. The thing would fill with blood and burst- The first time he came out of his bedroom the front of his little t-shirt was COVERED in blood. Scooped him up and RAN to the car.
A couple of weeks later, after countless doctor visits and tests, it was removed but not before that happened twice more. He was 4. If something were to happen to him today and a forensic team came in, they would find huge amounts of blood evidence- it would be old but it would still be there.
I concur. Although they found other samples, some was of the child. I do not know what constitutes more than usual nor do I know all the facts behind the accident that caused the child to get the arm in the cast or whether or not she had a bloody nose etc. I have high blood pressure and have gotten nose bleeds that I thought would never stop because of the aspirins I had taken before. My children have woken in the night with nose bleeds and had bled a substantial amount before awakening so there are possible explanations that would also have to be looked at before you could conclude that this blood sample ever came from foul play.
Same here, my 6y/o has some pretty bad nosebleeds about once every couple of months esp if the weather gets dry. They'd probably think something really bad had happened if they went checking around my house too! - fortunately he's a perfectly fine, healthy kid.
Well Casey Anthony got away with it, I guess these folks are playing the same routine. I hope they get caught and get fried.
Just once I wish that I could read a post without someone dragging Casey Anthony into the discussion. If you knew so much more than the Police Detectives or the Prosecutor, shame on you for not going to Florida and testifying against her. We all know how easy it is to solve cases from the bias news-bits you see on t.v. or the internet. They failed to prove that she committed a crime, so let her be. Being a liar does not make you a murderer.
She did not get away with it. The prosecutor failed to prove their case. Blame the prosecutor for it.
the prosecutor did his job but the jury members did not understand circumstantial evidence. Low IQ's ? intimidation ? fear ? simply dumb people from Missouri...the "show me" state.
No. alumette, the prosecutor failed to prove their case. The jurors did their civic duty. They did not base their decision on inflamed, crude mob mentality.
I thought the Casey Anthony thing was in Florida?
In cases like these where a child has gone missing and either one or both of the parents seem like they know more than they are telling, I think it should be ok to torture them just enough to make these cowards talk. I know I will get comments back about it not being right or fair but these children that end up missing and dead, how right or fair was it for them to be tortured and murdered? I am just so sick and tired of relatives being found responsible for childrens death. If you cant handle your children or you get to the point where you think you are going to harm them , for God's sake drop them off at a local fire station or police station, church , hospital or a family member that can be trusted. Enough is enough!!!!!!!
did anyone really think someone came in and took the baby .. torture the father till he confesses the bastard ..
While I agree that the father and his mother are not telling what they know, torture for a confession does not work. People will confess to anything under torture. Look at the thousands of innocent women and men who were tortured into confession by the Catholic/Christian church during the Inquisition. And then killed afterward, all the while being truly innocent.
How many people believed Elisabeth Smarts father killed her before she was found? Jaycee Dugards step father was persecuted by the public and his wife divorced him because she believed the B.S. And you think people should be tortured into confession? How about you find a POW and ask them what they confessed too when tortured.
That's a great idea metheman...let's torture them so we can show we can be just as evil and are no better than them.
When you have a child , your sole responsibility is to protect them and above all else keep them alive. If that job is too hard for you then perhaps you should give your child to some loving parents who would die for the opportunity to even have the chance at a child. I agree accidents happen but a loving parent who had had an accident would seek medical care instantly for their child, because your need to be protected should come AFTER theirs~!
Did anyone of these people get the lie detector test. I see the mother stopped hers do to a med. problem. HMmmm. Makes me wonder if the person giving the test was about to ask a queston that she did not want to answer. Or did he ask a question that she wanted out of ? And to the one playing the race card. This is not about race, it,s about a little girl that is missing. Leave it at that, would you please.
The father got an inconclusive on his. There is no pass or fail on polygraphs.
So why even bother to give them Ron ?
Just stating the facts Al, that's why they are inadmissible in court. They are not lie detector tests, they are polygraph test. They are used to prove reasonable doubt, not for conclusive evidence for conviction. That's why they are used. It has been proven that some taking a polygraph can "pass " them and those giving them can manipulate the questions in order to get the results they want. Therefore, conclusive or inconclusive, not pass or fail, and not admissible in court.
The tests are used to determine whether a suspect warrants further investigation. While the results are inadmissible in court, if the results are inconclusive the detectives can use it to justify their investigation of a suspect and gather more evidence. The purpose of the test is to narrow the field of suspects.
I agree Michael, but the tests can be manipulated from both sides, that's why I said what I did. If CPS and Law enforcement were not immune to prosecution from perjury, and made to do a full investigation, I believe more guilty people could be convicted and less innocent people.
Polygraph tests are simply interrogation tools - they don't tell anything other then the person is nervous - they are extremely easy to fake and are simply a way of intimidating a person to try and get them to say more. Their only reliable use is to get more information from the person to try and get real evidence - i.e. - the knife is buried at X.
However, polygraphs are getting better and better day by day and I had heard somewhere ( please don't ask me where, it's been awhile) that the courts were now thinking of allowing polygraphs to be admissable in court.
I've seen a few polygraph machines and I can tell you, I wouldn't want to be strapped to one. They are very sophisticated now.
The problem with polygraph tests is that no matter how sophisticated the machines are, they cannot account for the foibles of human variation. These machines only measure the symptoms of anxiety. An accomplished liar or a sociopath isn't going to have any trouble looking innocent, even if they are guilty as sin, because they aren't anxious. Other people who suffer from, say, an anxiety disorder, are always going to appear guilty. Still other people are bats**t crazy and completely believe their lies.
Yet another case of miscreant "children" breeding more children. These people are uneducated, drug addled, immature, barely if at all employable, yet they pop children out with one another in some pathetic effort to possess something, show off, or simply collect benefits. The result is abused, unloved, and unnurtured children left to fend for themselves amongst this trash. The country needs to restrict welfare funding from those who are criminals and addicts and put that money in to better foster care and institutional care where those children have a CHANCE at a life with people who are concerned for their well being, and they can get three squares a day and some education. Not to mention being exposed to people who set a decent example of how to live a decent life instead of these bitter misfits. As a society we have to stop enabling this disgraceful behavior and let go of the naive thinking that any child is better off with their parents. In so many cases this is far, far from the truth.
Lots of false assumptions you made there, Mike, but I'll focus on your last claim.
The truth is, children are five times more likely to die from physical abuse and 11 times more likely to be sexually abused by CPS than in their own homes. Statistics don't lie.
That's why I said "improved". My point still stands that we shouldn't bankroll these trolls to spawn.
Gee, What a surprise. (Sarcasm).
not news. this story was here friday
Thats right dam it we need stronger Laws..
If they lie cut out the tongue..
If they run Cut a foot off..
If they steal cut a hand off..
If they Kill stone them to death..
If we had laws like these there wouldnt be any Politicians left nor the crime rate be so high..
Soooo..what medieval radical Islamic sect do you belong to?
Probably the same one that thinks its ok to strangle a woman to death for giving birth to three daughters. You know, cause the sperm doesn't decide what sex the baby will be, its always to womans fault.
She stops taking the lie detetctor test but is suspicious of the father??
she dont live there if you been following the story..
Some medical conditions can create false responses(such as raising the blood temperature or body temperature) during a polygraph test
I actually agree with William. I'm not saying I'm right, and by no means know what really happened, but I've felt there was something not quite right with the mother from the start. She doesn't have to live there to be involved. If she was desperate enough, I'm sure she could have found a way to remove the child from the home. There is no evidence concluding that Ayla isn't still alive, and it is not so far-fetched to have a parent "kidnap" their own. I feel she was too quick to start pointing her finger in an incredibly public manner and her accusations are regularly inconsistent. In one of her first interviews she even said, "He was the last person to see her alive..." when they had barely been investigating for 2 weeks. That's a pretty morose statement to make when "no one knows" what really happened. Now, stopping midway through a lie detector test? I honestly hope that she's guilty, but in a sense that she has taken Ayla and is keeping her hidden in hopes that no one will figure it out. In that case, she's alive and somewhat safe.
Poor poor baby, i know it was naive of me, but i was truly hoping they'd find this little girl alive.
All involved look like a pack of skells to me. The mother's "getting ready to knock on doors"? She should already be doing so. Won't finish a polygraph but is on TV with a t-shirt and she thinks that's enough? I'm praying somebody took note of the type of people this little girl's parents are and just took her somewhere to give her a good home.
and just took her somewhere to give her a good home.
That might have been possible back in the 1980's, when there was an underground for kids who were in danger of being placed with an obviously abusive parent by the courts, but with social security rules and DNA tests and the media and such, I don't see that happening in this day and age. Otherwise, people would walk by the missing children bulletin board at Wal-Mart, with a prayer of gratitude that they are most likely all in "good homes."
Such a tragedy. Just from what I've read in print, I find both parents VERY SUSPICIOUS. I hope this does not turn out to be another 'Casey Anthony' case. I'm hoping that SOMEONE comes forward, or some strong evidence is found that will convict the guilty party.
If this little darling girl is still alive, I hope she can be found. If she is not still alive, I hope once she is found that there is LOTS of evidence to convict the guilty one(s). I cannot imagine the horror she may have faced in the moments prior to her death. I hope for a speedy trial when the culprit(s) is caught. I hate to think of anyone like this taking up space on this planet, and breathing the same air as me.