If it's 60 degrees F, it must be spring ... or not

Much of the United States has been enjoying unseasonably warm weather, and it has many people asking whatever happened to winter? NBC's Ann Thompson looks at the "why" behind the wacky winter weather.

Temperatures in the 50s and 60s across much of the Northeast and Great Lakes region on Tuesday added to the drama over whether this month will go down as the warmest January on record in the continental U.S. The warm spell has also generated plenty of chatter and even a spring of sorts -- folks walking around in shorts and flowers blooming early.


Weather.com expected at least a dozen cities on Tuesday would set or approach records for a Jan. 31, with temperatures up to 20 degrees above average. "With the very warm air mass, several more record highs are anticipated on Wednesday as we kick off the month of February," weather.com meteorologist Tim Ballisty wrote.

David Duprey / AP

For Clarence, N.Y., Jan. 9 looked more like spring than winter, when the town is usually under snow and busy with snowmobiles.

Deke Arndt, the head honcho when it comes to monitoring temperatures for the National Weather Service, told msnbc.com that where he lives, in Asheville, N.C., he gets "a lot of people" asking about the emergence of daffodils in recent weeks.

Arndt tells them that while he's not a plant expert, "it's been very warm" and plants "are responding to soil temperatures."

Kevin LaMarque / Reuters

A cyclist on Tuesday enjoys the spring-like day outside Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C., where it got to 65 degrees F.

"That's where my expertise ends," adds Arndt, whose formal title is chief of the National Climatic Data Center's monitoring service.

Arndt told msnbc.com on Monday that his office will report on Feb. 7, next Tuesday, as to whether last month set a record. In the meantime, msnbc.com asked its Facebook audience to share what winter's been like in their neck of the woods. The overwhelming response: warm.

A new jet stream is causing high temperatures across the U.S. making for a nontraditional winter. NBC's Anne Thompson reports.

Here's a sampling:

  • Deborah Scales Gunter: Yes, in southeast Alabama it's been crazy weather. I even saw one of my iris blooming now and even a light color butter cup blooming now; it's too early for them but weather is crazy here -- warm, raining and sunny and warmer and then turns cold again.
  • Roxanne Stickler (Claremore, Okla.)Yep! This time last year there was snow on the ground and more coming! Today it was in upper 60s!
  • Patty Mauck (southern Indiana): 60 degrees! Lovin it! I don't need cold weather or snow, ever.
  • Talicia Harris White (South Carolina): 72 tomorrow, I'm not from here but I know that is not normal. Why are all my neighbors crazy? I'm declaring, climate change is Real!
  • Hope Jenkinson: Utah has been feeling like spring not winter. No substantial snow. Gonna be in drought this summer I'm afraid.
  • Don Scott: I'm in northwest Montana in a rainstorm, what little snow we had is melting, and my usual 6 foot snowbanks are only about a foot high and shrinking. This has been the most unusually warm winter I've ever experienced in 62 years on this planet.
  • Bonita Wood: We have had no winter here in Oklahoma, it's like spring time, daffodils are blooming, etc.
  • Melonee Pappas Ryan: Been warm here in Alabama ... and unfortunately, we pay for it with tornadoes!
  • Precious Lmnop Singh: Snow storm yesterday, 53 degrees tomorrow. This is not the Michigan January I know.
  • Sandra Dampier Mickelson (Astoria, Ore.): I don't like unseasonable weather. I like the seasons to be the way they're supposed to be. I live in what is considered a mild climate. We used to be in a 30 year cycle for huge snowstorms, but it's been over 40 years and none yet. That means havoc for the other seasons of the year. Nothing is quite right anymore.
  • Chryssi Mudge: Nebraska was in the 60s today ... We should be in the 30s with snow ... Heck my lawn is still green in spots.
  • Julie White Santos: Very warm here in Wilmington, N.C. Have not had any temps below freezing yet. In the 60s and 70s during the day.

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Temperatures are rising around the nation, making for an unusually warm January. Weather Channel meteorologist Jim Cantore reports.

There was, however, an exception to the warm rule -- a deep freeze in Alaska.

Shelley Chaffin of Anchorage, Alaska, posted: "Warm? Has anybody looked at the temperatures in Alaska? This winter has given new meaning to the phrase "the frozen north!"

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Look OUT cause Summer's gonna be a Killer.

  • 13 votes
#1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM EST

DARN YOU GROBAL WARMING!!!...oh wait, i already did that one...ah..anywho, who knows. i mean alaska is getting record cold temps so who is to say what we will have to deal with, even in the next month. My friend living in Buffalo, Ny is just greatful he doesn't have to climb out his second story window just so he can walk in 6 feet of snow for half a mile over 3 hours to get a half gallon of milk and a pack of smokes.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:50 PM EST

The constant dumping of 90 million tons of heat-trapping emissions into the Earth's thin shell of atmosphere every 24 hours. Twenty percent of the global warming pollution we spew into the sky each day will still be there 20,000 years from now!

The Polluters and Ideologues are financing pseudoscientists whose job is to manufacture doubt about what is true and what is false; buying elected officials wholesale with bribes that the politicians themselves have made "legal" and can now be made in secret; spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year on misleading advertisements in the mass media; hiring four anticlimate lobbyists for every member of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. the tobacco industry hired actors, dressed them up as doctors, and paid them to look into television cameras and tell people that the linkage revealed in the Surgeon General's Report was not real at all. The show went on for decades. This time, the scientific consensus is even stronger. It has been endorsed by every National Academy of science of every major country on the planet, every major professional scientific society related to the study of global warming and 98 percent of climate scientists throughout the world. In the latest and most authoritative study by 3,000 of the very best scientific experts in the world, the evidence was judged "unequivocal."

  • 16 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:39 PM EST

It is what it is.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM EST

Today and the next several days it will be 80 here in Phoenix, last year it was 50 this date.That means 110;s the entire summer instead of 30 days.

    #1.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:52 PM EST

    kind of funny that the average temperature has not gone up for the last 15 years?

    • 2 votes
    #1.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:00 PM EST

    Just climate change. Not global warming. The climate has changed and will always change over time. No record of it exactly for any super length of time.

    • 7 votes
    #1.6 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:07 PM EST

    twenty percent of the pollution will still be there in the atmosphere after 20,000 years ; wow thats so alarming . wait aminute if Im still alive now when theres 100% of the pollutants in the atmosphere why would I care if 20% is still there in 20,000 years WAIT what did I say TWENTY THOUSAND YEARS

    hey witchking isnt there anything you's like to do today;beach bowling bikeriding going to the movies going out to eat skiing boating etc instead of worrying about the atmosphere in 20,000 years . Dont worry theres a gamma ray burst heading straight at us that will hit the earth in 17,856 years so the atmosphere will be sanitized along with all life as we know it see so rest easy and God bless

    • 4 votes
    #1.7 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:08 PM EST

    It has been in the 60s since Sunday here in Denver, and a couple of days last week were also as warm too. On the other hand, while not a banner snow year, so far our mountains have received about 70% of their average annual snowfall for this date historically, plus earlier this Winter we got about 30-40 inches of snow at lower elevations too, so our fire danger should not be extreme until late Summer either. So, if you really want to go skiing badly, all of our Colorado ski areas are open sporting packed powder on 3-4 ft of base depth, and our local economy could use a little extra jolt this Winter too!!!

    • 1 vote
    #1.8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:27 PM EST

    I live in Upstate New York. Last year we had record cold and set snowfall records. This year we have hardly any snow and it's warm. Next year we'll probably have freezing temps and lots of snow again. Everything is cyclical. You left-wing crazies just can't see the truth. You've been bamboozled by Gore and the gang. ONE volcanic event dumps more CO2 into the atmosphere than human beings and our inventions have for our entire existence. To think that WE can change the WEATHER is just poppycock. It's all just a ploy to get more of your money. Follow the money trail, it will lead you to the truth 100% of the time.

    • 7 votes
    #1.9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM EST

    It' called a WINTER WEATHER PATTERN and after two years of brutally COLD patterns (including the earliest recorded freezing temperature here the first week of October, 2009) we are in a WARM pattern this year (and it's cold where it's supposed to be).

    I have and will always support conservation of natural resources and limits on toxic emissions (which is why I support converting old coal fired power plants to natural gas for an immediate 30% reduction in per-plant carbon emissions), but the AGW crowd aren't about "saving the environment", they're about destroying capitalism and destroying democracy !!

    Letting nations like China and India become the "new leaders in going green" with input into environmental regulations that they ARE NOT required to follow will amount to allowing the fox to guard the hen house !!!

    • 2 votes
    #1.10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:04 PM EST

    @Witchking

    since you're concerned about global warming there are a few things you should do to help reduce the # of pollutants that are spewed into the air.

    Don't use your car to go buy your next computer. How old is that computer you're using? Do you realize that if your computer is 3 years old, that you spewed greenhouse gases that contributed to global warming 3 years ago just so you can spout off some global warming cr*p. Oh wait, sorry. you probably shopped at several stores before you bought your computer. So that means you were probably running around town trying to find the best deal (trying to save $5.00), but you spewed out at least $10 worth of greenhouse gases during that same time. What? You didn't drive a car while you shopped? Okay, I suppose that means the bus didn't spew out any greenhouse gases.

    Stop using your computer. The manufacturing process of the motherboard and the IC's spewed greenhouse gases. As does the forming of the plastics for the case, the LCD screen you're looking at and all the other peripherals you use.

    Also, since there was mining involved to obtain the gold, silver, copper, fossil fuels were used to mine those metals as well as during the processing.

    Those Lion batteries were also manufactured in a process that added to the ozone busting gases.

    Then there's the electricity to power your laptop/desktop, as well as the electricity to run the modem so you can get access to the internet. Did you have the room light on while you were using the computer? and the TV at the same time? Are you married? Have kids? Were they using computers too?Oh wait, are you on WIFI there in your home. Uh oh... I think you've surpassed the acceptable level of greenhouse gas emissions to be considered a true Global Warming pundit.

    oops. sorry for the greenhouse gases I'm spewing out just to write this, but at least I know you won't be spewing out any more because you (in the interest of reducing global warming) will not be using your computer anymore so as you don't contribute to anymore to global warming.

    • 4 votes
    #1.11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:10 PM EST

    Not true that the global temperature hasn't gone up in 15 years, when you adjust for El Nino. A strong El Nino like the 1997-98 event can temporarily warm the atmosphere as much as 10 to 15 years of carbon emissions, so the fact that we're now back to the 1998 average temperature (actually a little above it in 2010 according to NOAA) is what climate models predict.

      #1.12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:10 PM EST

      James W315:

      You deniers keep rehashing the same old falsehoods over and over again. Here are two examples:

      1. CO2 concentrations have been monitored continuously since the late 1950s. How many volcanic eruptions have there been in that time frame? Dozens, including Pinatubo, the biggest eruption since Krakatau. So where are the CO2 spikes that should have resulted? That's right, they don't exist.

      2. If I follow the money trail, I find that the lobbyists and apologists for Big Oil make far more money than climatologists at first-rate research institutions do.

      I may be crazy, but you're either blind or, even worse, willfully ignorant.

        #1.13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:11 PM EST

        "If I follow the money trail, I find that the lobbyists and apologists for Big Oil make far more money than climatologists at first-rate research institutions do."

        You seem to ignore the fact that top climatologists are reliant on grant money, that will dry up if there isn't really a crisis that needs to be addressed. You don't honestly believe they're objective, when their very livelihoods are at stake? They must maintain the crisis storyline or find a new line of work.

        • 3 votes
        #1.14 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:18 PM EST

        Rob-523523:

        1. Tenured professors (such as a great many climatologists) are not dependent on grant money at all.

        2. The total amount of available grant money for climatologists is a fraction of what the denialist camp pays out to its own mouthpieces...who really are dependent on their controllers for their jobs. Any climatologist whose "livelihood is at stake" has only to become an outspoken denier to gain instant financial security.

          #1.15 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:52 PM EST

          "Tenured professors (such as a great many climatologists) are not dependent on grant money at all."

          Not true. Institutional science departments are clamoring for funding, particularly given the university budget cuts in recent years. Nothing better than a good crisis to pre-empt budget cuts, or at least focus such initiatives elsewhere...

          • 2 votes
          #1.16 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 1:16 PM EST

          It may me the one of the warmest winters but the utility companies are sure making up for loss in gas,by gouging us for electric.

            #1.17 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:11 AM EST
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            I have a feeling we're going to have a real crappy Spring. Happens every time we have a mild winter.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:31 PM EST

            This is global warming. We were at 50 degrees in Wisconsin today. That's a last week of March temp.

            • 7 votes
            #2.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM EST

            I've seen much warmer temperatures when I was about 12. We were playing football in shorts without shirts. That would have been about 1968. Haven't seen that type temperature since.

            • 1 vote
            #2.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:55 PM EST

            Oh weemee.... so it's nice out and of course it's GLOBAL WARMING OF DOOM.... and i'm sure if it was exceptionally cold and snowy this month it would be some other form of impending apocolypse... Way to be scared of the normal occurance of Earth's changing climate instead of enjoying the non-bitter-coldness for once

            • 3 votes
            #2.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:17 PM EST
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            The climate changes periodically due to a variety of factors, including solar and extraplanatary and oceanic phenomena. If these changes did not occur, THAT would be climate change, and would indicate a serious crises. Further, nothing is more dangerous or foolish than people thinking they can make changes to the climate to keep it from changing. Those who claim to be able to do this are insane fanatics, and should be exposed, disgraced and then forgotten. Let's start With Al Gore, a nut case who has bribed the so-called scientific community, in order to sell books, and pay political debts to chemical companies who hold seed patents.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM EST

            We can undo some of the damage we have done. It doesn't change the fact that gases that are proven to cause greenhouse effects are in the atmosphere in record numbers. It stands to reason that they are the primary (maybe not total) cause.

            However, one has to keep in mind that global warming is a global issue, and while we can take steps to reduce what we emit into the atmosphere, other countries need to work with us if we are going to take steps to reduce the effects that we as humans have on the environment.

            Al Gore may be a "nut case", but global warming is real.

            http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

            http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

            http://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

            http://climate.nasa.gov/uncertainties/

            • 15 votes
            #3.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:43 PM EST

            al gore who?

            • 2 votes
            #3.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM EST

            What if NASA is right? What does NASA say concerning any dire outcome? Nothing from your links. You see any?

            The data shows a steady increase in temperature of .016 degrees F per year since 1911. Has that rise meant something dire for civilization? NO. So what would another 100 years of that mean?

            The data shows the CO2 level up dramatically since 1950. Has the temperature increased more because of that? NO. If sixty years is too short a period to detect the change, who cares?

            The data shows several ice ages. Does NASA have any CO2 explanation or anything as to the abrupt (NASA within a 10 year period). Maybe some solar cycle we have not seen yet, but hard to believe an orbit shift would come on and retreat so rapidly.

            Just what does NASA say about APW?

            • 2 votes
            #3.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:50 PM EST

            The data does show a very clear increase in the rate of warming in the last 30-35 years; it's now 0.016 deg C (0.029 deg F) per year. And there are good explanations for ice ages; do some online research.

              #3.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM EST

              I don't think so. http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

              • The datum for 1911 shows -.34 deg C
              • The datum for 2011 shows +.51 deg C

              That's a temp increase of .85 deg C in 100 years, which is .0085 deg C/ year, which is about .016 deg F /year since 1911. The slope is fairly regular and not stat not cherry picked. Were you wrong about this?

              The NASA data does NOT show any real increase in the warming rate in the last 60 years So, what affect did the jump in CO2 after 1950 have?

              NASA did not give any explanation for the ice age that I saw. Did you see one?

              And the comment was on the NASA data. If you want to discuss some other set, a link would be appropriate.

                #3.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:29 PM EST

                When I look at the same NASA graph, I see an increase from about -0.3 deg C to 0.0 deg C up until about 1978, and then an increase of 0.5 deg C in only a little over 30 years since then, supporting a recent rate of increase of about 0.16 deg C per decade, which is what other researchers have reported. There are good explanations for ice ages in other places; they are caused by cycles in the Earth's orbit and axis tilt, but greenhouse gases have a feedback role.

                  #3.6 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 1:37 AM EST
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                  I don't know what to believe about climate change/global warming/global cooling/weird friggin weather like it's some kind of religious argument that goes round and round - I could care less the whats, whys and hows. I just know it is changing, so I'm preparing for it as best I can. It seems like it's going to be a subject of intense debate simply because we're addicted to intense debates. Im not going to sit here and wait for the media or government to tell me to duck and cover to finally realize something is wrong.

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:49 PM EST

                  Couldn't have said it better myself, thank you. :)

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:17 PM EST
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                  I for one say thank God!

                  Last winter sucked!

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:49 PM EST

                  I know! last year on this day we got slammed by almost 3 feet of snow, on top of the 1.5 feet we had on the ground already. So defiantly not complaining! :P

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM EST

                  I just hope this summer will be better than last.

                  I live in Oklahoma and the temps were just flatout brutal.

                    #5.2 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:48 AM EST
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                    Who can possibly be complaining about 60 degrees weather? Liberals. They would complain about $1 gas.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#6 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:51 PM EST

                    Let's hear from you next summer when it's 100° instead of 85°. You folks are pretty quiet about those days and weeks.

                    • 6 votes
                    #6.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:22 PM EST

                    100 degree summer? Where can I go to experience such a cold summer?

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:46 PM EST

                    I love this weather. If that were the extent of AGW, okay. But, I am really not into the major adapting that we and the rest of life will be going through in the coming years. Off kilter natural cycles, different water movement patterns, invasive species spreading more rapidly, etc. Could've been avoided. Crap.

                    • 1 vote
                    #6.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:48 PM EST

                    Well see if you're complaining when coming droughts won't allow crops to grow and your food prices skyrocket

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:57 PM EST

                    Who can possibly be complaining about 60 degrees weather?

                    How very narrow minded of you.

                    Guess you never heard of businesses that plow lots and driveways for income. Or any of the other small businesses that were counting on average snow fall levels to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads.

                    So, those are the people complaining about 60 degree days in February with no snow to make any income.

                    Lack of snow has more of an impact on people than you care to realise.

                      #6.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:55 PM EST
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                      Global warming nuts can it, this happens every once and a while.

                      • 4 votes
                      #7 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:52 PM EST

                      So John, if it happens once and a while, why would 10 of the past 12 years be among the warmest on record?

                      All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. 5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. 6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase. 7

                      • 13 votes
                      #7.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:53 PM EST

                      Ruken,

                      So why are you complaining. Enjoy it because it won't last.

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:54 PM EST

                      Ruken

                      I assume you believe the worlds gonna end Dec, 21 as well?

                      • 4 votes
                      #7.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:58 PM EST

                      john-3403713: So you believe that heavily tested and reviewed science is akin to fake Mayan prophesies which even the Mayans didn't believe?

                      I take you to be a little smarter than that, John.

                      • 4 votes
                      #7.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:30 PM EST

                      No, @!$%# the Mayan calender, that's nothing but a load of bull@!$%#.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:37 PM EST

                      The only people who are "nuts" are the tards like you that don't believe the word of the world's top scientists and weather/climate experts. How do you explain the polar ice caps melting at an alarming rate and causing seal levels to rise rapidly? Get a clue you inbred hick.

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.6 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST

                      gopSTOMPER

                      I believe were going thru a warming cycle, like the earth goes thru a cooling cycle about every 10,000 years. It goes back and fourth you moron, granted the human race does have an impact on whats happening to the world environment today. But to say that the world is gonna flood or turn into a barren desert solely because of our actions is retarded, just like you apparently are.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.7 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:05 PM EST

                      And I'm pretty sure the "seal" levels are going down rapidly, not up. Maybe learn to spell before you decide to attack a persons post. It will make you look like less of a dumbass. If that's possible.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:16 PM EST

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                        #7.9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:20 PM EST

                        If you enjoy trout fishing in streams, you'd better be quick about it because mountain stream temperatures have been continuously heating up and if it continues over the next 15 years, all the trout will be dead. Someday, all animal and plant life will be gone from the Earth with only us humans will be here eating each other to sustain our foolish lives because we refused to see the warnings that were right in front of our faces.

                          #7.10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:52 PM EST

                          gopSTOMPER. take an ice cube(from an old fashioned ice cube tray. measure the dimensions. . Then let it melt in the same container. Does the water overflow the container?

                          oh. it doesn't. ...so how is the world gonna flood by polar ice caps melting?

                          • 2 votes
                          #7.11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:22 PM EST

                          gopSTOMPER: "How do you explain the polar ice caps melting at an alarming rate and causing seal levels to rise rapidly? Get a clue you inbred hick."

                          Were you looking in the mirror when you typed that? Because you obviously don't want to have facts stand in the way of a good argument.

                          You need to look at the Antarctic increasing ice extent trend, that substantially offsets the Arctic trend. And there's no conclusive evidence that sea levels are accelerating their rising (which they have been steadily since the last ice age).

                          • 1 vote
                          #7.12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:01 PM EST

                          Ruken... A cute stat (10 of the last 12 years were the warmest on record) but look at the NASA temp graph - it is almost ALWAYS true for any 12 year period in the last 100 years except 1940 to 1970.

                          http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

                            #7.13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:56 PM EST

                            Grin: And if you look at that same graph and carry it out over the full graph, it goes up. What's your point.

                            A better stat is the CO2 levels in your reference. It shows that it's higher now than it has been for 400,000 years, longer that human civilization and farming. Carry those numbers back, you have to go 35 million years in the past to see CO2 levels as high as today.

                            And when you go back that far, you'll notice that CO2 levels would spike at about 350 to 400 ppm and cause frozen methane in the oceans to thaw and trigger heat and mass extinctions. Nearly every major extinction event that wasn't meteor related has this pattern.

                            And people are alarmed at this because we are at 380, which puts us at that tipping point for methane release.

                              #7.14 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:44 AM EST

                              same graph and carry it out over the full graph??? Can't figure out what you mean here.

                              The second point - CO2 goes straight up at 1950 on. CO2 is stilla trace gas and who cares? You probably there is linkage between the CO2 level and the temperature. BUT, if so, wouldn't the temperature show a sharp increase in the rate it had held since 1880? The 60 years since 1950 should have shown a sharp bend up - not there. Where's the linkage between CO2 rate and temp rate?

                              The methane ice is interesting speculation. While CO2 levels have not been this high in 400,000 years, temperature has. No mass extinctions for a few hundred million years. We safe for now except for the occasional lake exploding?

                                #7.15 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:09 AM EST

                                If you look at an actual tabulation of the atmospheric CO2 measurements, you will find that the rate of increase during the 1960s was only about 1 ppm per year versus about 2 ppm per year today. Graphs can sometimes look "flat" when they're really not.

                                  #7.16 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 1:43 AM EST

                                  Glad you take the point - CO2 has dramatically increased since 1950 - by the NASA data.

                                  http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

                                  But the temperature increase has not shown an increase in the rate of warming since 1900, when the CO2 levels were much lower. Form the NASA charts, one could figure the CO2 necessary today to increase a degree of temp would be much greater than when the temperature was lower - like 1900 to 1940.

                                  Don't you think it is the level of CO2 (and not the rate of increase) which would increase temperature? There was a period between 1950 and 1975 when NASA says the temperature was stable - dod the CO2 remain stable then?

                                  The part and magnitude CO2 plays in global temperature is only part of the story and possibly a minor part. We should not forget water vapor and water droplets are the major regulators of temperature. A bit of disturbing news - apparently NASA has given up on climate change:

                                  It’s true that the “golden age” of state-of-the-art Earth-observation science missions is gradually ending. There is currently a real problem that no government agency has been specifically funded to carry on climate observations into the future….

                                  NOAA has been charged with doing it, but with no additional funds to develop replacements for all of the NASA instruments now flying. So, they will have to use whatever weather satellite assets they have. As far as AMSR-E goes, it will be replaced with AMSR2 on a Japanese mission early next year.

                                  As of now, NASA has no plans to fund us to participate in that mission.

                                    #7.17 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST
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                                    Welcome to typical Colorado weather patterns, rest of the US.

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                                    Reply#8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:54 PM EST

                                    My adopted stray dog, a lab mix, is smiling from ear to ear. He stays outside and is loving every minute of it. Frankly, all animals love this except for the two-legged, left-leaning variety.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:57 PM EST

                                    This weather pattern has nothing to do with global warming or global cooling. It's a pretty standard 11-12 year weather pattern..

                                    Winter is not over. Pay attention - That really cold arctic air mass currently sitting over Alaska is going to start moving in the next week or so. The Arctic Express is going to barrel down the plains and meet up with the Gulf air somewhere over Missouri. It's going to get ugly.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:06 PM EST

                                    Don't worry about it being warm in the lower 48. Alaska is having record cold. And Europe and Russia are in the deep freeze too.

                                    Learn about the jet stream and wind currents and that is all you have to know. This year wind patterns have kept the cold air in the Arctic. Some are trying to blame global warming. A couple of years ago when the wind patterns brought all the Arctic air south they blamed that on global warming too.

                                    The warmists are just like Obama. The warmists blame everything on CO2 and Obama blames everything on Bush.

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                                    Reply#11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:08 PM EST

                                    Apt name for a Republican - economykiller

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                                    #11.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM EST

                                    Ill informed remarks in in both cases. Need to read more than E-mails.

                                      #11.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:43 PM EST

                                      What you say about the Jet Stream is largely correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the global average temperature is increasing by about 0.16 deg C per decade due to greenhouse gases, when you adjust for other known effects such as El Nino. Recent research has confirmed this.

                                        #11.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM EST

                                        Eric: "Recent research has confirmed this."

                                        It may have confirmed the warming trend, but some very recent research suggests the increase in greenhouse gases is the result of the warming, not the cause.

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                                        #11.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:06 PM EST

                                        EricH-3359508... global average temperature is increasing by about 0.16 deg C per decade

                                        I think you have your C's and F's mixed. NASA shows global temperature has increased 1.6 deg F over the last 100 years. Things have been so good for humans over that 100 years that there are now over 7 billion of us. The rate set in 1911 has remained steady over the century with no affect shown by the dramatic rate of CO2 increases since 1950.

                                        http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

                                          #11.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:37 PM EST

                                          Once again, that's not really correct. The 5-year mean shown on the NASA graph has gone up more rapidly and consistently during the period since the mid to late 1970s than ever before, even during the 1910-1940 warming period. I don't have C and F mixed up. Yes, the graph shows evidence that CO2 wasn't the only variable (solar variability and aerosols are also thought to have been important during certain time periods, along with cycles like El Nino), but there is no other good explanation for the recent sustained warming.

                                            #11.6 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:02 AM EST
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                                            Our daffodils are blooming in January because of the warmth. I understand Alaska is experiencing extreme cold. That's what happens when you F with the environment. You get unpredictable, wide fluctuations in the weather, which for you birther, global warming conspirists, is different than climate.

                                            Get used to it. We all have to. Unfortunately, the effects will be felt by all, not only by the dummies that still don't understand what you are doing.

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                                            Reply#12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:10 PM EST

                                            Kinda lippy ain't cha?

                                              #12.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:56 PM EST
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                                              65 is the new 35

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                                              Reply#13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:18 PM EST

                                              Nothing to see here, folks. This is just a hoax invented by 97% of the scientific community to turn us into godless communists. This is nothing more than Al Gore with a blow dryer making it LOOK like humans are disrupting the Earth's climate...

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                                              Reply#14 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST

                                              would money-grubbing corporations steer us wrong; NO!

                                              so keep up that good-old-fashioned "personal responsibility" and dump as much junk into the atmosphere as you want;

                                              if we can't see it, then it must be ok; right?

                                                #14.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:10 PM EST
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                                                Tornadoes a week ago in deep south. Two MONTHS before the REAL deal usually begins. I hope this is not a prelude to what may lie ahead. Still have visible carnage from last year's onslaught of twisters.

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                                                Reply#15 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:26 PM EST

                                                Is called La Nina and thats why its called weather. Dont know wheather its gonna be cold or hot. Just know its gonna be different. I am sure all the Doomsday climate warmers will be all over this one.

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                                                Reply#16 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:33 PM EST

                                                La Nina usually causes dry weather patterns in the Midwest. El Nino usually causes wet weather patterns in the Midwest. Your right weather will be different in separate areas of the Earth. Yet the results are usually the same in each area every time we have a La Nina or El Nino.

                                                  #16.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM EST

                                                  Thanks for the lesson Bobby: but weak La Nina is indicitive of the weather desribed in the article above. Se NOAA below :

                                                  A majority of models predict a
                                                  weak or moderate strength La Niña to peak during the December – February season,
                                                  and then to continue into early Northern Hemisphere spring season before
                                                  dissipating during the March to May period (Fig.
                                                  6
                                                  ). A slight majority of models predict La Niña to remain weak (3-month
                                                  average SST anomaly in the Niño-3.4 region between -0.5 and -0.9oC)
                                                  this winter, while several others predict a moderate-strength episode (anomaly
                                                  in the Niño-3.4 region between -1.0 and -1.4oC). The latest
                                                  observations, combined with model forecasts, suggest that La Niña will be of
                                                  weak-to-moderate strength this winter, and will continue thereafter as a weak
                                                  event until it likely dissipates sometime between March and May.

                                                  During January - March 2012,
                                                  there is an increased chance of above-average temperatures across the
                                                  south-central and southeastern U.S., and below-average temperatures over the
                                                  western and the northwest-central U.S. Also, above-average precipitation is
                                                  favored across most of the northern tier of states and in the Ohio and Tennessee
                                                  Valleys, and drier-than-average conditions are more likely across the southern
                                                  tier of the U.S. (see 3-month seasonal
                                                  outlook
                                                  released on 15 December 2011).

                                                    #16.2 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:20 AM EST
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                                                    The globe has been below normal in January 2012 based on the 30 year (1981 - 2011) average. There has been exceptional warmth in the lower 48 states of the USA and large sections of Canada. But the rest of the world has been colder than normal including Asia, Africa, South America, Greenland, & Antarctica. Europe was also warm the first part of January now it has plunged into the freezer. I just saw some graphics today generated by the GFS (Global Forecast System) model. The last 10 days of January were -0.371C (below) average globally. The breakdown was -0.416C for Northern hemisphere, -0.327C Southern hemisphere, & -0.264C Tropics.

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                                                    Reply#17 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM EST

                                                    Ah! t-shirt weather in New Mexico is wonderful.. I just love it till the winds blow dirt with the force of a pellet gun.

                                                    then not so much.

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                                                    Reply#18 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:38 PM EST

                                                    Yes the unseasonably comfortable days only go so far in terms of the outcomes of a rapidly changing climate. There are certainly other impacts that suck, big time.

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                                                    #18.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM EST
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                                                    Weather extremes: the new Normal. Unprecedented, to be sure. Comfortable physically in my neck of the woods today but man are things out of whack with the natural cycles. Tree species with buds about to open, etc. Weird. I guess we're all in for one great big adaptation pressure in the form of rapid climate change.

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                                                    Reply#19 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:39 PM EST

                                                    Hey --- I live just north of Denver. Played 18 today --- in shorts.

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                                                    Reply#20 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:39 PM EST

                                                    Charlie, # 1 I'm jealous. but don't tell too many people. They might all move to Denver and you won't be able to get a tee time anymore.

                                                      #20.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM EST
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                                                      Go go global warming. I'm saving 100's of dollars on heating. I'm looking forward to more harvests in the plains states up through Canada. Warm weather is good for the economy, but bad on the taxpayers if the democrats start taxing people due to the natural warming that occurs between every ice age.

                                                      Watch for democrats to start taxing us for increased earthquakes soon.

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                                                      Reply#21 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:45 PM EST

                                                      Global warming amounts to more than saving some of your money in heating. You'll be paying a lot more for various impacts resulting from things being thrown off worldwide with natural cycles, water availability, etc. Ecosystem services we depend upon messed up, etc. Not good.

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                                                      #21.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST

                                                      Costs of insurance are also likely to go up in response to damages from extreme weather events brought about by so much carbon and methane in the atmosphere.

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                                                      #21.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:53 PM EST

                                                      I'm looking forward to more harvests in the plains states up through Canada.

                                                      No you're not.

                                                      You're looking at quicker soil erosion due to the lack of snow fall to blanket the ground and negate the winds whipping across the plains.

                                                      What you have to look forward to is poor soil conditions that will yield increasingly smaller harvests.

                                                      Warm weather is good for the economy

                                                      Tell that to the multitude of industries, businesses and jobs created just for the snow.

                                                      Watch for democrats to start taxing us for increased earthquakes soon.

                                                      I would much rather have short sighted people that can't look past themselves that political mud sling in every article be taxed more.

                                                        #21.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM EST
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                                                        Must be global warming, huh?

                                                        I remember weather like this since the day I was born 1300 gadzillion years ago. Tulips would bloom in early February and roses would start blooming in early Feb. and then all be dead in early February if we didn't cover them like mom said to do because of the freeze that followed. Is this unusual weather? I don't think so but I guess I am stupid. Hmmm I will just wait for good old Punxatawney Phil, see what he has to say!

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                                                        Reply#22 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:50 PM EST

                                                        Go on everyone Yuk it up I'm just sad for my kids and grandkids futures.Or lack of.

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                                                        Reply#23 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST

                                                        Me as well. Handing down a rapidly changing climate to them is not something I would have chosen.

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                                                        #23.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:59 PM EST
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                                                        Something is not right ,oh sorry left or who knows, (Middle Maybe?), Ya think.

                                                          Reply#24 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:53 PM EST

                                                          How much more proof of climate change do we need. Who even cares whether its suvs or burning coal, its clean we wont ever do anything to stop it, because it would cost us money or convienence something no one is really willing to give up, but hell we should at least admit that its happening and do what we can to preapre for its consequences and make the best of the positives of it. As with everything there will be negatives and positives. We may be able to grow more crops in new warmer palces while losing the ability to grow other places that are ravaged by drought. We may be able to increase oil production in waters that were once covered by ice while at the same time dealing with massive hurricaines and flooding in new areas. If nothing else we should all expect things to be unlike anything we've ever seen on both ends of the spectrum so get ready.

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                                                          Reply#25 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:55 PM EST

                                                          One of my concerns is how quickly it looks like we will need to adapt. The pace of climate change is proceeding even faster than many of the climate scientists had predicted.

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                                                          #25.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:00 PM EST

                                                          Fielday you are having afeildday with facts. Please document you sources and examples.

                                                            #25.2 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 1:19 AM EST
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