If, in fact, that CEO Rundle is lying, it ought to be treated as fraud and he should be prosecuted for it. Letting people dodge responsibility will ultimately kill us all. Nature could care less if humans survive. In a few million years, it would be like we were never even here. Ruining the environment threatens our survival, the tigers, etc, are just the canary in the coal mine.

We found that two brands sold in the United States ― Paseo and Livi ― are made with paper from Asia Pulp & Paper (APP), which is responsible for more forest destruction in Sumatra than any other single company," the World Wildlife Fund report stated. "Paseo is a retail brand of toilet paper, paper towels, napkins and facial tissue, and it is now the fastest growing brand of toilet paper in the United States, according to its marketer."

Thats why I buy Koch brother TP, not only is it made in the US, with American labor, they also use North American Fiber..

Close all the US Post Offices and stop all the junk mail. With all the wasted junk mail (paper saved) there wiill be enough recycled paper to make all the toilet paper they can sell in the U.S. Bonus--all the gas saved from delivering all the junk mail.

Sometimes, you just have to sacrifice a tiger or two so that a bear doesn't have to crap in the woods.

".....BI-LO, Brookshire Grocery Company, Delhaize Group, Harris Teeter, Kmart, Kroger, SUPERVALU and Weis Markets -- had decided to stop carrying APP tissue products."

Now I know where to shop! Thanks.

If you're truly concerned, you'll stop using toilet paper altogether. Use leaves.

Me, I understand that trees are a renewable resource and know that the paper/pulp industry plants more trees than they cut. Net effect of paper usage, more trees. Isn't renewable resources the rallying cry of environmentalists? Then you had better start using more paper products.

I've never heard of them either, and will avoid these brands.

People ought to be buying TP made from recycled paper!

Bears use Charmin.

To everyone who is against logging, try wiping your ass on plastic and let us know how that works out for you,

Nothing like a misleading article to get the juices flowing and create more angst. Yeesh...is peace and harmony anathema to snarkists who never wake to a single 24 hour span of time without some graceless, annoying complaining?

Funny how toilet paper is destroying forests in Sumatra when most conservationists know that you replace what you remove in natural resources in order to maintain balance. B-A-L-A-N-C-E????? Get it? It must take a lot of brainpower to figure out that if you deplete natural resources whether it's trees, gold, diamonds, tin or silica, it will disappear unless the propagation of new lines of regeneration are in place.

And no, you can't use "leaves". Unless millions upon millions of sewer systems are to be retrofitted with a biodegradeable that will break them down. Ever see what happens to leaves when they are left to molder over a winter? A mass of slime. This is what we want in our sewerage systems?

Duh!! That's why you wipe with the leaf (that also came from a tree) and you throw it in the trash, not down the toilet! Or you can just use the three sea shells.

These are the glories of 'free market' and globalization. Greed rulez!

Be a real hero: BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!

Hahahaha - he doesn't know how to use the three sea shells

Classic, Gumby!!

Teri is absolutely right. I remember reading an article about what kind of trees are needed to make that ultrasoft TP people keep buying. That's right--old, fully mature ones. Something about the length of the fibers.

Think about that the next time you're reaching for the Charmin or White Cloud. Do you really care about the environment or just want to make wisecracks on a forum like this? There's nothing wrong with the recycled stuff.

Yup, one more reason to keep buying the recycled stuff.

See if we were smart like the French, we would have "bidet's" to wipe our butts and wouldn't need toilet paper. More sanitary anyway as toilet paper leaves microscopic bits on your parts.

I can tell all of you for sure Kimberly Clark and Wisconsin Paper who make the majority of TP and other paper goods in the US aren't going to spend money to get wood from the rainforest when they have birch trees growing like weeds in both Wisconsin counties. My cousin quit mowing around a section of his land during construction of his cabin and now has a healthy stand of birch trees behind the pond he dug. When they cut trees down in that area they leave the tops for deer cover and feed. They also replant you can tell replant they stand in perfect rows all the same height and you can see through the forest.

Forests are, in fact, renewable, but only if these countries actually renew. I think many of them just cut away, with no thought of tomorrow. there's your problem.

Gabisgumby, I've seen the movie at least 10 times and still can't figure out that hole, I mean whole, 3 sea shell thing. So exactly how does that work? Anyone out there please????? My bathroom is starting to look like a sewage truck crashed on the beach and my toilet gets stopped up every time I try to flush them damn shells. I need a little help here folks.

Its very simple, USE HEMP FIBERS!!! Stop the BS ban on hemp! Its renewable, self fertilizing, uses a heck of a lot less water than corn, produces oil, and the whole plant can be used. If grown, it can be used to replace cutting down tress for paper, and the seeds are a much better form of animal feed than corn.

Gives your @$$ a nice, mellow buzz as well!

Well I would guess its cheaper to clearcut forests for TP. Maybe thats the real problem.

Recycle toilet paper ? Can they get all the brown stains out of it ? I just don;t know it I would use recycled toilet paper .

Neil, actually the problem in these 'clearcut' areas is there is NO private ownership of the land. Either nobody owns it or the government does. If the people in these countries were afforded the same freedoms as we have, there would be a vested interest in making sure the renewable resource is maintained. That is the reason we have more forested areas in the United States now than in any time in recorded history.

Ron - recycled toilet paper is made from recycled paper, not previously used toilet paper.

Duh, They don't make it out of used Toilet paper dude. They shredd other forms of low quality recycled paper to re-make Toilet paper, tissues, etc... How would you recycle something that goes thru the sewers and ends up at a treatment plant. It is comments such as this from un-educated posters that make it so hard for intelligent conversations to take place nowadays. Man, think a little before you press post will ya.

I was just trying to make a joke , at the thought of recycling toilet paper .
Fourteen years of hauling grocery's for a grocery chain , and hauling the crushed box bales back .
I have possibly hauled a million pounds or more of recycle paper , during that time .
I have some concept of recycling .
I've hauled many truck loads of toilet paper and paper products out of paper mills . Due , I never saw any recycled toilet paper dude .
Dude , I was trying to make you laugh . Maybe some got a chuckle out of my comment .

Ron

How could ANYONE not realize you were making a joke. WOW some people are thick!

Ron, I thought it was hilarious. Gross, but hilarious. :D

I'm surprised that Dom thinks we are supposed to have an intelligent conversation here. And, that was a good one, Ron. I guess this means that we will have to have ANOTHER recycling bin, just to hold the TP, so the prople at the treatment plant don't have to dig it out for recycling.

I'm glad , I could express some of my humor here , and make some of you laugh .
Most of the time , my comment like this get lost , among the many other comments .

Don't belittle Dom . We know not what frame of mind he was in when he was making his comment .
He might have thought , I was the one who was thick and unthinking .

Ron, that was one of my summertime jobs while I was in college. I worked part time at the local sewage treatment plant. I use to go out wading in the settling ponds with a small cardboard roll in my hand and roll up use pieces of toilet paper on it until I had enough to recycle an entire roll. It was hard work but just so damn environmentally rewarding knowing that I was saving a tiger or two everyday.

PS, toilet paper is also useful as a breast enhancement aide. Just rub a piece between their breasts and it will make them grow. Don't believe me???? Just look what it has done for our wives asses after all these years.

yeldy, you always paint such a vivid picture that I can actually see you with hip boots on out there rummaging through the stench of waste products actually reassembling a roll. Funny as hell but.....yuck!

This is why it's a much better choice to only buy toilet tissue made from recycled fiber -- there are several brands to choose from. Boycott any tissue that requires 100% to be made from trees

Just another scam for fools to pay out more, when we were making products from recycled paper. We used the same amount or just a bit more, than the reg product..

when we were making products from recycled paper. We used the same amount or just a bit more

Great - you used the same or more of a product that was already recycled rather than a product that came from clear cutting forest. Do you really not see the difference AND the benefit?

Nobody can accuse Sam with having grey matters up there :)) All's forgiven Sam, just sit :))

The problem with that notion though is that, even though you may be buying responsible paper, the Paseo brand is often used in commercial applications. Whether it be your local grocery store, the motel you stay at, etc, it's not branded as Paseo but comes from the same distributor. You need to go a step further and not use public facilities apparently either (oh, and bring your own motel toilet paper, I guess).

TREES: a renewable resource.

The plethora of chemicals used to recycle paper must be better for the environment than replanting what was cut to make paper, right?

A lot of paper in the Midwest states is made from Quaking Aspen which grows like grass from a root system. When clear cut, the Aspen regrows thick and will provide habitat for a variety of animals both game and non game. After about 40 years is can be clear cut again. Almost every tree in the clear cut is from the same root system which makes aspen one of the largest organisms on Earth. It grows from Maine to Alaska and down into Mexico on the North American Continent and from Siberia to Finland on the Euroasian Continent. It is called the Queen of the woods because it has so many uses. There is no need to purchase or even import any toilet paper from other countries that do not have this unique tree.

Quip - Aren't similar chemicals used either way? I'll agree that the energy used may be the same either way.

But really, isn't it the disruption of the ecosystem such as run-off and underbrush that hurts the animals? The companies can plant new trees, but are the other things needed or wanted by the animals still there? That is the question about "responsible" use.

Pedestrian ever been to Wisconsin Rapids or Neenah- Menasha. Try driving Wisconsin 80. These are the big paper company towns in Wisconsin. Believe me there is no shortage of trees in the area.

Recycling uses more and worse chemicals than making paper from wood pulp. They have to use things like "methyl ethyl ketone" to bleach the ink out. Nasty stuff, eats everything, like in Roger Rabbit. It uses more energy too. Tree farms where they replant mitigate the harm of pulp processing, but anyone who's been any where near a pulp mill can tell you the pollution is horrible. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

I say we go back to hemp.

The reason you've never heard of them is because they're very likely not called that in this country. They're probably imported under those names butt (pun intended) they're sold in bulk to oh I don't know ... Procter and Gamble maybe, and repackaged using their name so they can stamp the old "made in America" logo on it so the idiots think they're buying American. Trust me, the stenographers at MSNBC aren't about to spill that little tid bit, their government handlers wouldn't like it too much, especially at election time.

WWF also pointed out in their report that APP cleverly disguises themselves in the US to distribute its tissue, paper and paper-based packaging products through a number of subsidiaries and affiliates, including Solaris Paper, Mercury Paper, Paper Excellence, Global Paper Solutions, Eagle Ridge Paper and Paper Max. Thousands of tons of paper is imported to the US each month through these divisions directed to their customers.

PaperMaxusa.com, Eagle Ridge Paper and Global Paper Solutions are Headquartered in Anaheim, CA and sell copy paper, coated paper and folding carton products to large paper resellers who continue to support their "questionable" forest destruction efforts. Spicers Paper, Unisource and Perez Trading Company private label APP products to further mask their source.

4Over.com Inc, one of APP's largest printer customers in the United States consumes thousands of tons of coated paper to print millions of business cards and direct mail brochures.

@ Peter Sugar Shack

Thanks for the information. I figured this stuff was aimed more at the commercial market, where it is easier to hide the source. All I can say is... Hannibal, the trolls are screaming this morning. Where do some of these ( insert derogatory word here) come from? See what happens when you clear-cut a forest? All the mutants have no place to hide!

Check the toilet paper dispensers in the stalls at the nearest hotel or resort.

My mom works for Paseo. They are aimed at the Hispanic community, and yes, they are sold under that name.

indeed and your butt will be glad for it

Who cares what your wife thinks.........just kidding.

Ever since they stopped issuing the Sears Catalog its been rough!

Wiping out tigers? That's gotta be some tough paper.

entertaining idea but I am more interested in one where the common cockroach would be defecating on man's graves millions of years after we exhausted all resources and died without water, food and paper to wipe. Interestingly, the common cockroach won' t even wipe his afterwards

WWF? Isn't that a wrestling entourage?

H-O-G-W-A-S-H ! ! !

world wildlife federation. duh!

You must be in lots of toliet papers to know all that, I hope it is all unused. :))

Face it, there are some people in this world who really know their $#i+!

Sounds like a sales rep doing some slandering. Who else would know that much about the paper industry?

20 years in the business should give me some knowledge of who the players are where their paper is made and who the consumers are. There are many global manufacturers who do play by the rules. Asia Pulp & Paper is banned from holding any assets in the US because it still owes creditors over $1 billion. By creating a tangled web of companies (names pointed out above) it allows them to avoid the government seizing their assets...

APP is a owned by TG Wijaya a Billionaire who de-listed the company from the New York Stock Exchange after running into debts it could not pay amounting to more than US$10 billion. Unfortunately, they have unscrupulous individuals running their US operations who care little about the environment and more about lining their own pockets with quarterly bonuses based on moving tons into the market.

Really? Wow.

Sure. Screw everything that's not US! How could that attitude ever hurt US?

And just where do you think newspaper comes from? Same plant in Wisconsi produces your newspaper, writing paper, paper towels and napkins. Just check your paper products come from American forests. Companies based in the middle of forests aren't going to cut down trees in Brazil or Indonesia when they're surrounded by trees for 10 counties.

The Constitution was written on parchment(animal skin), Hemp paper deteriorates quickly just as hemp rope does and is why it is was replaced with other superior types of ropes and papers.

If you are going to push your cause(legalization of marijuana) at least be honest about it and not try to disguise it.

Please read the laws and regulations for people who want to grow hemp for ideas like yours. It's like pissing in the wind.

'm with you bro. Hemp just makes sense

Who gets to determine what is luxury housing, While you may consider someones home that is bigger than your to be a luxury home there will always be someone wo has a smaller home than yours that considers your home to be a luxury home, And Just who do you think benefits from luxury homes anyway....It is the carpenter,plumber,electrician,mason,roofer,sider,sheetrocker,taper, All those people working in the lumber yards and mills that produce and sell these products. All those people working in the hardware stores that sell items for these "Luxury Homes" People like you, me,your neighbor, You know..the working middle class. Not everyone wants to live in a mass produced econobox of a home.

If there were no rich people the poor people would still be poor and the middle class would be even poorer paying for all the needs of the poor people.

Most of the framing wood in that house was grown in Georgia on tree farms, replanted as soon as it is cut. The only imports are that Brazillian wood flooring. I prefer Tile over OSB flooring, compressed chip board. A family with four kids can't really get along in a two bedroom ranch house so maybe just because it's bigger doesn't mean luxury but basic necessities.