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Subscribe to RSSLos Angeles school district administrators move to replace the entire staff of the Miramonte Elementary School after two veteran teachers were arrested for victimizing students. NBC's Mike Taibbi reports.
Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies on Wednesday rushed to dispel rumors among Latino families that they would be deported if they come forward with information about child sexual abuse allegations at Miramonte Elementary School, where two teachers have been arrested.
"We've seen a reluctance among families to come forward on the advice of lawyers," Los Angeles County Sheriff's Sgt. Dan Scott told msnbc.com. "The sheriff has assured the community that a person’s legal status will not be questioned."
But many remain silent.
"People are afraid to talk. They are confused. They are scared," Jessica Dominguez, a Los Angeles lawyer who specializes in immigration cases, told msnbc.com. "Parents are worrying that if they speak out to authorities they will be deported, because some of them are undocumented."
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The case erupted last week with the arrest of third-grade teacher Mark Berndt, 61, who was charged with committing lewd acts on 23 children, ages 6 to 10, between 2005 and 2010. He is being held in lieu of $2.3 million bail.
Parent Maria Guadalupe Garcia holds a sign reading in Spanish: "We don't want new teachers," as some parents protest replacing the staff, outside the Miramonte Elementary school in Los Angeles on, Feb. 8.
Later in the week, another teacher, Martin Springer, 49, was arrested on suspicion of committing lewd acts on children. Springer was charged with three counts of lewd acts upon a child under the age of 14, according to authorities.
Another student who accused Springer of fondling her reportedly recanted her story, NBC News reported. Springer was being held in lieu of $2 million bail.
Second teacher from LA school arrested
The allegations have stunned families like Sergio Blanco and his wife, Marisela Blanco. The Blancos have five boys. Their 9-year-old son, Andres, is a third-grader at the school.
Marisela Blanco told NBCLosAngeles.com immigrant families now face the difficult decision of whether to speak out or not.
"They think something is going to happen, like the immigration will come to get them," Blanco said.
Read more on the Blanco family on NBCLosAngeles.com
The school will reopen Thursday with an entirely new staff hired from a list of recently laid off workers.
“The parents and children of Miramonte are going through an unspeakable nightmare," Lynn Tramonte, deputy director of America’s Voice Education Fund, said in a statement. "The fact that many of them are afraid to work with law enforcement only adds to their tragedy."
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Investigate a crime by ignoring a crime?" Only in the so called "Progressives" America.
If an illegal alien parent keeps child abuse secret rather than face the consequences of their poor choice in coming to this country illegally.........I would say that is a LOW life person who doesn't deserve to have children.
What is more important to this parent? Your child or your accepting any consequence of your illegal border crossing?
Notice the picture caption:
Golly gee....maybe Mrs. Garcia could have had her child, or one of her children, write the sign. I am so sure the school administrators can read her protest sign.
Why would they fear deportation? Could it be that one can be in this country and take advantage of systems and benefits without being a citizen?
Ido, most people with a college degree can read the sign. Go back to school.
All of you have missed the point. They came here due to poor living conditions in their homeland. Now they are afraid to be deported and are not reporting a more serious crime. They feel it is survival. Those of you that have never lived anywhere else have no clue.
They came here illegally. That is the point!!!
I have been to many countries around the world. Conditions in mexsicko are good enough for the other 130 million mexsicans
bencas - You expect English speaking people to go back to school to accommodate lazy people who don't want to speak the language of this country??? How does that make any sense?
Also, apparently you think it's justifiable that people come here illegally because they want a better life?
That weed dealer wants a better life too, so does that car thief, so does the guy who shot the convenience store clerk to grab 50 bucks from the register - should we ignore their crimes because all they want is a better life?
Why are Hispanics any different than a Korean, an Indian, an Australian who actually go through the legal process of immigration? Why should Hispanics be exempt from the law?
You are the one who needs to get a clue. These people are not tax payers but they're reaping the benefits of those of us who lose 30% of our paychecks every week.
Besides, if ignoring a child's rape is you idea of survival, you need to seriously rethink your priorities.
Bencas, you are fully misguided in your reasoning. First off, lots of people have a college degree, and should have no reason to "be able to read the non-English sign" -- for one, Americans don't assume they have to learn Spanish. At my Division III school, there were departments offering degrees in Swedish, French, Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, German and Italian as well as Spanish (Castillean and New World).
Secondly, there is a saying about "you sleep in the bed you make." That means that these people (although sad their homeland and compatriots south of the border abandoned them on several social and political levels) CHOSE to illegally (and serruptiously) break laws (and continue to do so) of the sovereign nation of the USA.
It's unconscienable that a parent would allow their children to be abused yet they choose to DO NOTHING because of their known illegal status. SUCH a world/situational viewpoint shows a very un-American person. Especially since if any of the children of illegals are legitimate native-born Americans, that the parents are so selfish to realize the bed that now they have before them.
I have a college degree and I can't read the sign. Maybe because it's in spanish and I only can read English. I already went to school and got a college degree. Just because some degrees require 1 semester of any foreign language requirement doesn't mean you instantly become fluent in it.
I doubt most people with a college degree can read the sign. Why don't these illegals go back to school to learn English so next time when they want to protest, they can write signs with English so people can actually understand what they protesting and take them seriously.
I have no symphathy for these illegals and the so called poor living conditions you claim is not bad compared to what I experienced in Afghanistan. Living in South America is like living in Paris after living in Afghanstan. Land mines, no running fresh water, very poor living conditions, very little electricity, living in mud huts........ yeah I have no idea what I'm talking about.
as an immigrant who came to america in 1958 legally when there was a quota on the amount of my kind were allowed in to america i find it offensive that illegals are allowed to exist in our country side by side w we who are legal and enjoy not only all of the benefits of our country but are afforded additional rights that were never afforded my parents nor all other LEGAL immigrants who waited to attain legal admission to america. my fellow american citizens do you want to become like the Catholics whose laws r now being flouted by this government that prohibits its beliefs and mandates that it provides covenants that r anti its preaching s.... we deserve the rulers we allow
Expecting Los Angeles County or the State of California to do anything about people here illegally? If you believe that one, I've got some swamp land in Arizona you're gonna love.
Wow seems the fears have ground. Most posting care more of the crime of illegal immigrant, then that of child abuse. Is that really the stance you are going to take? If your so concerned with illegal immigration why aren't you make a fuss with the AMERICANS who hire them.
If the parents are here ILLEGALLY--- DEPORT THEM. If a teacher committed abuse--- arrest and incarcerate!
wow child get violated and their parents taken away why because, the AMERICANS who caused all these years of problems by hiring illegal immigrants get a free pass.
bencas.......
Sorry BEN.....34 years in the military with stops throughout the World. And I have TWO degrees. I can speak some Japanese. Been there, done that. How about you ?
These mothers/fathers who are in the United States ILLEGALLY are just that.....ILLEGAL. Nothing hard to comprehend....huh ?
There is such a thing as going through the immigration process in accordance with OUR immigration LAWS. If they want to come to our country LEGALLY, then they can get in the back of the line. PERIOD.
Tao of Wow--- Why are you saying that? No one is in favor of letting the lawbreaking employers off the hook. The lawbreaking business profiteers need to be criminally prosecuted and civilly fined to the MAX! Whoever engages in this lawbreaking blackmarket labor scheme must be held accountable --- the lawbreaking employers should go to jail and face substantial civil penalities (and face losing the business license) and the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS must be DEPORTED tout de suite/ sans delay!!!
really i don't read any mention of that in readers posts. and since over the years the problem has increased ..more illegal immigrants keep coming because AMERICANS are hiring them.
This is so sad. I cannot judge the Parents because I do not know how is to be illegal in a country. I am sure our Great grandparents the came from Europe felt illegal or came illegally to America and have hard times getting used to English but those where other times. Illegal Hispanics are not welcome these days but we know what we heard in the news but we do not really know how immigration law works. We are talking about immigration issues and we are forgetting the more important thing the child no matter where she or he was born, it is child that was abused and can not defend himself where are the people from human societies or child protection services, another important thing that we are not taking in consideration it is what is happening in our school system that it is so easy to abuse Kids. The two important things what we are going to do to protect our Children of this what the Government is doing about this? Immigration it is a problem but what do you think about our school system do you feel secure when you send your kids to school
tao of wow, don't try to put a guilt trip on us, as a good parent you protect you child (ren) at all costs because if you ignore the crime then that makes you just as guilty as the molestor !
WHEW....good to read so many sane posts. Seems that most of the whackos are populating the political posts right now.
bencas, I have a PhD and can't read the sign. I lived in San Diego for 6 years and picked up a handful of Spanish words, learned enough to pronounce the menu items (and understand the menu items, e.g. carnitas = pork, pollo = chicken and preguntas = questions.. I think.) and street names/places correctly (e.g. la jolla is pronounced la hoya). French on the other hand I can understand. We didn't have many Spanish speaking people where I grew up in the Northeast. Perhaps you should get the education? Sorry, but in an English speaking country, it's only appropriate to learn to speak English. I happen to have spent the past couple years working with all Chinese people - should I also have to learn to speak/read Chinese?
Second, my husband is a legal permanent resident. It was a long, expensive and intense process. But we went through it. I don't believe illegal immigrants should get a free pass. I'm sorry if conditions where these people live are less than desirable. And I'm sorry if it's hard for these people to get a visa to enter the US and become a permanent resident. But that's not an excuse for them to skip the line to get in and enter illegally. Just as we can't go fixing the problems of every other country, they can't just come here to escape them. What happened to pride in your country and culture? They need to find a better solution, as a people, to the problems their country faces.
Tao (#1.16) --- you are absolutely correct in your post about the incentive for illegal employment. However, I, a liberal Democrat, have been talking about that as a fundamental element of the problem.
But why, one needs to ask, are the advocates for lawbreaking against E-Verify??? Granted, it's not perfect, but it sure as h#ll is better than nothing! Remove the incentives--- employment, social welfare benefits (except emergency medical care), taxpayer subsidized schooling, and MANY WILL SELF-DEPORT!
Our government has a duty to protect its citizens-- but it is NOT doing so! A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
like you ignoring the fact that they are here in the first place because AMERICANS hire them.
which is also appalling and not something I support.. but I don't think anyone here suggested that we support Americans hiring illegals. Especially not if we're saying they shouldn't be here. Doesn't that include not working here? Which thus implies that American employers shouldn't be hiring them? Is it really necessary to spell this out?
Americans are profiting from this because they can hire at less then legal wage. Taxpayers pick up the costs. We would still have some illegal immigrant and it should be taken care of. But the main cause of why they are here and it keeps increasing is because the AMERICANS who hire them keeping getting free passes. my point is most of the posts do not address the root problem of the situation we are in with the increasing illegal immigration over the years.
@ldo, regarding Mrs. Garcia's sign: I grew up in Indiana, never took one day of Spanish. But I've lived in LA for 18+ years now. I can read her sign. The teachers and staff at the school could read her sign. Dude, everyone can read her sign. (I just wish I could get the schools to teach my kids Spanish while they're teaching everyone else English.)
It's not a crime to be in this country illegally. It is a civil code violation. It is a misdemeanor to enter the country illegally, but it is almost impossible to prove someone entered illegally and roughly half the people in this country illgally legally entered it to begin with.
How about "may I see your green card?" Those are generally required (or at least green card ID number) when applying for a job. That would be a good way to check if they're legal.
Tao--- (1.24) You are correct that the blackmarket labor scheme imposes a form of corporate welfare upon the unwilling American taxpaying public--- who are forced to pay the healthcare and other social welfare costs of the blackmarket employees AND SUBSIDIZE THEIR LAWBREAKING ENTERPRISES--- this CATASTROPHIC COST IS BEING FORCED UPON AMERICAN TAXPAYERS!
However, the solution is to enforce all of our laws--- as against the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS, the LAWBREAKING BUSINESS PROFITEERS, and all other enablers! The solution is not to ignore the lawbreaking of the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS. If a bank doesn't hire a security guard, and Joe robs the Bank, Joe must still be held accountable!
Raddave( 1.26)--- While you are technically correct that unauthorized presence in the U.S. is a civil violation--- what you are saying is MISLEADING!!! ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS commit numerous FELONIES and other crimes: (1) crossing the border illegally in the first instance is a MISDEMEANOR (a crime), (2) crossing the the border a second time apres deportation is a FELONY (a crime), (3) falsifying an I-9 to gain employment = a FELONY (a crime), (4) stealing the identity of an American in order to gain employment = a FELONY (a crime), (5) driving without a license --- a crime, (6) driving without insurance = a crime, etc.
You get the picture--- ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS COMMIT NUMEROUS CRIMINAL ACTS!
Tao is right. Child abuse is happening here and all you can talk about is how the parents are illegals and can't speak English. Example of why they might be illegal: The drug war is partly causing immigration, let's stop the flow of illegal drugs by legalizing them. Anyway, you sick people should ignore the immigration issue for now, and focus on the molesting of kids. These kids are in elementary school. I doubt they even know they are illegal, or if they do they don't have a good concept of it. They DO know they are being severely psychologically damaged by people they trust. It is a despicable crime, and you tea-partiers sicken me. Burn in hell! You probably hit your children, huh? These people should be granted temporary legal asylum while they give evidence to police. Otherwise, these sickos will go free anyway.
Tao, there was a point in time when they were here because they could get jobs. That time has long since passed and they come here now because they get everything free. So talk to your government about that, they are giving your tax dollars, assuming you work, to the illegals. And to those who support e-verify, I have been schooled and use e-verify. What a crock! All it does is put the burden on the employer to identify and not offer employment to them. An employer can not report them to INS and any other supposed government enforcement agency. So tell me, is it the employers of America that are supposed to police illegal immigration. If that is what you think...what the hell do we need a government for in the first place.
The sane guy, yes these children are being wronged both by teachers AND their parents. I've had a child molested. I know what that feels like, it is a pain like you can't imagine if you haven't experienced it. The last thing I thought about was ME. The first and foremost thing I thought about WAS MY CHILD. The only thought I ever had about myself was when thoughts of killing the SOB were so dominant in my mind, I was afraid I would actually do it, given the opportunity, and then where would my child be... IT NEVER OCCURED TO ME NOT TO REPORT IT. What the hell is wrong with these meally mouthed bunch of entitlement seekers? God then family, always...no matter where I have to live.
Hey Tao of wow, here is a bit-o-info for you. I live in very rural Southern California just to clarify my point.
Illegals are not working and they are dug in like ticks here. They have their "cousins" supporting them living 3-4 families to a home. They sell food out of shopping carts on allot of corners. They speak NO English at all. I have had my home broken into twice in the last 4 years and both times illegal alien invaders WERE the culrpits. They congregate at home depots and many public areas hounding people for work.
They are unsanitary and on job sites will piss in bottles and throw them in the wall and seal the wall up... thats how lazy they are to even take a proper piss.
They congregate around church's and use the laws to hide in them as sanctuaries.
Go blaze Youtube and watch the videos of illegal aliens marching down the street and taking down the US flag at a US post office and replacing it with a Mexican flag in Maywood. CA. Click HERE to get pissed off and watch as your country is invaded. This video speaks volumes when REAL "hispanic"americans are calling them out huh?
Yeah its always the people who hire them... yeah that is it...
By the way I have been WITNESS and need no BLAME TRAIN to know whats up with illegals in california and the poor children they abuse. Being a criminal, without a voice, and to scared and SELFISH to protect there own children from predators.
Yeah they are good moral people for sure... wait it is the people who hire them right? Wrong.. it is the law breaking illegal person coming here and offering BELOW MINIMUM wage labor, and touting it, to work under the table, hide taxes and send remissions home.
Yeah it surely must be the people hiring them...that has to be it...
It is called a "standard of living" and illegal people have lowered it dramatically in the USA
FYI it is SUPPLY and DEMAND and not DEMAND and SUPPLY.
Sane guy - true that the article is more about molestation and it's important to get to the bottom of it. That being said, the thread developed into a conversation about immigration - which is a more contentious topic than molestation. I'm pretty sure everyone would agree molestation is bad. There's not much to debate there. The immigration issue on the other hand...
Second, re: your political accusations. I always hate to see these things turn into name calling. Takes away from the discussion and is anything but productive. It's also a horrible generalization, e.g. I actually tend to align more with the ideals of the "libbies" or "dumbocrats", as the name callers like to say. I just happen to be conservative on the topic of immigration. You can see how this would make a conversation degenerate. Opinions on what I say should not be based on my perceived political party, but rather on the quality of what I am saying.
Not really--"The Sane Guy" (#1.29)--- Are you for real????? That's what the article is about!!! They are here illegally! That's why they fear deportation!!! Get real!
Now just wait a minute-- EVERYONE BE QUIET FOR A MOMENT--- HERE IS THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM:
Deport ALL ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS to protect them from American pedophiles! This solves both problems (and we will incarcerate the American pedophiles) Problems solved!
shosyn - well said!!!
AngelicaS - lol!:)
We need to change being illegal to a death penalty crime. Problems solved. No matter what country your from, if you are here illegally, death penalty.
The focus has always been on the illegals and never the AMERICANS who profit from them being here. Most employers don't want to report because they profit. We are in this situation because AMERICANS have been given free passes that has lead to this multi faucet situation to begin with. For some reason it has always been easier to demonize the illegals but not the AMERICANS who hire them. Tiredofsilly and many more are a reflection of that point.
Actually, no they didn't.
I will not go another round with you after this little gem...
let me retort with simply bullet points for clarity..
1. IDENTITY THEFT
2. BUYING HOMES WITH THEIR ANCHOR BABIES SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER BEFORE THEY ARE OUT OF DIAPERS
3. SO GOOD AT ID THEFT COMPANIES ARE FORCED INTO E-VERIFY TO EVEN KEEP UP WITH ALL THE ID THEFT
4. THE LIST OF STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS IS STAGGERING
5. THE TREND OF STEALING AMERICAN CHILDRENS SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS TO PREVENT EARLY DETECTION
wait... once again it must be those evil corporations and business's who hire them...
shall i go on ....... again?
Shosyn to have a job and get paid somebody has to hire you first and foremost. So yeah AMERICANS who did the hiring are the problem if they didn't hire then most of the illegals would not be here in the first place and would would not be in this mess, but because we didn't now we have to pay for the repercussions of your list.
ok ...
Supply (illegal labor) - Demand (American Business men)
There can be a supply without demand, but there can be NO demand without a supply.
as i stated above... it is called SUPPLY and DEMAND and NOT Demand and Supply for a very literal reason... which i have clarified again...
The demand is cheap labor to supply profit. Make it no longer profitable demand goes away.
@Tao of wow
Typical liberal, always trying to figure out a way to blame it all on the corporations. The corporations didn't pick up the illegals and transport them over the border, they did that themselves. Also, what about the illegals who don't work but collect welfare and commit crimes? What about the gang bangers?
Why does this situation remind me of the daycare workers that were wrongly accused of running a satanic cult and molesting a bunch of children? The media and a whole lot of people treated them like they were guilty until proven innocent. Or the Duke lacrosse players that were wrongly accused of rape. They too were tried and convicted in the media and at Duke only to find out they were innocent. I will withhold my judgement until after the investigation and trial (if there is one) are complete.
That's right, Obama is on the verge of deporting more undocumented immigrants in a single term than Bush did his full eight years in office.
By Adam Serwer| of Mother Jones
We've talked for days about how wrong molestation is, so I doubt repeating that conversation in response to an article about illegals in this country being unwilling to report a crime against their child because they fear deportation would be on target.
My only other point about the posters here is that if PhD and Angelica are truly examples of liberals in America then I think we might actually have a chance at reaching some sane compromises. Maybe it's only on illegals in the USA and how to deal with the problem, but one step together is better than none.
About this article...am I the only one that smells a rat? Lawyers are telling illegals to not talk to the cops in LA for fear of deportation? Uh, I doubt it. LA doesn't work with ICE, and ICE isn't interested in doing much to deport those here who aren't breaking any other laws. Any lawyer in California has to be aware of these things, particularly those living in SoCal. You can't throw a rock in the Southland without smacking an illegal. Who honestly thinks that LA cops are going to help deport people for filing a crime report?
I don't know why this was reported as it was, but I'm thinking that it has more to do with taking the obvious victim status of having been molested, or in a school apparently rife with molesters, and trying to manufacture an emotional appeal to get more people to care less about the quantity of illegals we are being compelled to tolerate. I admit it's a stretch, but I can't figure out any other reason otherwise educated people (assumes lawyers are well-educated, my bad) would advise victims to behave this way.
Wow, what a lively conversation. Personally, I'm tired of blaming illegals. I'm tired of blaming anyone, for that matter. If you don't have or can't get a job, blame yourself. Don't blame the government. Don't blame your mom or your dog. Don't get upset that the millions in taxes you pay each year go to illegals so they can get all kinds of free stuff and live in mansions. (Yeah, they're living the 'good life,' alright.)
Instead, appreciate what you have. You have more than 95% of the world's population. But you still have to complain. And if you don't 'have it,' and you want to get it, try harder. Or just do without it. But complaining about illegals isn't going to get you anything. And when the end of your life comes, you'll think back and see all the time you wasted doing so. So get off the Internet. Do something productive instead. Unless you have time to waste, you're just wasting your time here. Silly people.
Dear mexico, I wish your army was as good at finding illegal aliens crossing the border illegaly as they are at finding drugs. How about letting the drugs come thru because we like them here in the US, and finding and arresting the illegal aliens before they sneak across the border and have their illegal anchor kids which we want to send back to mexico anyway. Please mexico, keep your trash in your own yard. Thank you... http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10359157-mexico-makes-historic-methamphetamine-seizure
In the deportation camp I was in carcerated in there was a woman from Rwanda, 17 years old, pregnant.
She was trafficked intot he US when she was 12 and held for 5 yearsby her trafficker, who made child porn with her and molested her, then finally turned her out when she was seventeen, pregnant, and 'oo old to be appealing'. She was picked up as an illegal and placed in detention, whewre she later gave birth.
She was allowed to keep her baby girl for two weeks, then ICE took her away from her mother, saying that she was American through the father and couldn't be deported with the mother. We begged them not to; the biological father was a child molester, child porn producer, and pedophile, Mom would rather have renounced citizenship for the little girl and taken her back to Rwanda with her and take a chance on being stoned because she was 'impure' and unmarried, but it didn't make a difference to ICE because the word of an 'illegal' isn't taken over the word of an american citizen and so the baby girl went to her pedophile father. Her mother went into severe postpartum depression, stopped eating, was sent by the camp to solitary confinement for her 'passive-aggressive resistance tactics' and committed suicide.
When I got out of detention a few years later I tried to find the little girl but didn't have any luck. It's been years and I still wonder.
While I don't agree with these parents' policy of keeping silent about the abuse, I also see why they are afraid.
If they come forward and they are illegal, the parent will be deported and the child could end up in the foster system.
If they come forward and they AREN'T illegal, or are simply undocumented, they can still be deported anyway--ICE has the right to revoke naturalization if your name comes before them on review. This was made abundantly clear to me when I was released from deportation in TX; I was told that if my name came up in front of ICE ever again for any reason they could (and would) revoke my naturalization and put me back in the deportation camp. ICE has a history of ignoring legal documentation at will and at random, even after the detainee proves to a judge that they are a USC and the judge orders them released, ICE still continued to hold them.
These parents are struggling between doing what is right and what is best for their child. What is right is to report it. But that's not always what is best for the child--the child will then be questioned about the incidents, forcing them to relive the physical trauma and then the psychological trauma; then to have ICE descend on them, put the child in foster care and deport the parent at a time when the child needs family support and healing the most.
My take on this is that if someone's child was molested, and the parent comes forward and they are illegal, give them the paperwork and explain how the immigration system works. Help them fill out and file the paperwork. If the child was brought over the border illegally, that child can't be deported until the trial is over, which could take years--they'd be needed as material witnesses. Temporary Federal immunity can be granted to deportees if they are material witnesses in a crime; use that temporary immunity and file for legal citizenship while the proceedings are taking place. By the time the trial is over the paperwork will be filed, the parents/child will also be legal, and there will be no disruption of family.
I think many undocumented workers are far better workers than those otherwise available. This is why they find work.
bencas, I was a Russian translator for 8 years; can speak German and Japanese, yet I cannot read that sign. What makes you think that everyone has studied Spanish?
Takenaka, are you an undocumented worker? It's really called illegal immigrant, if you're going to make a statement then at least call it what it is. You are kidding me right? I've been doing construction most of my life and if you think most of these workers are better than the alternative, I've got some property in Kenya for sale. While I'll not disagree they will work hard most of them are clueless to the codes and laws of construction.
They're no different than any other person when the boss is not around and that's a fact. They are used for slave labor and that brings the living wages down for most American citizens. If they are so great why are they coming into our country by the droves? What, lazy are they? Don't want to build a society for themselves in their own country, just come here cause one is already in place for them! hmmmm.
Your statement is absurd and truly derogatory. They find work because the greedy ba$trds in this country can work them like dogs and pay them like pups. No insurance, workman's comp, taxes and you could more than likely come up with about fifty more reasons why. Doesn't matter they are still illegal and that's what should be focused on.
As for the persons whom were acused of the said crime , they never get what they deserve in my book. Molest a child and off with your head.
See, that's the real downside to illegal immigration. While you may be better off than being subject to daily gunfights in Mexico, you have NO rights here in the US. If you attempt to enforce (in court) whatever rights you think you have, you are subject to being asked, "Are you here legally, are you working under a stolen social security number ?" as part of the questioning. They are valid questions, since they tend to indicate whether or not a person is truthful.
As to the scubag teachers, two bullets to the head should take care of the problem.
And where is ICE? All illegals need to be picked up deported. All of them and send their anchor babies with them.
If there were no jobs, they would not come here. They do work that Americans feel too proud or too uppity to do. In my area, there are NO American kids working in fast food restaurants like when I was young, they are almost entirely worked by folks who barely speak English.
Too many corporations get away with employing illegals, and lets be frank, our deporting 10-20 MILLION people is prohibitively expensive. We need to find a way to encourage them to leave on their own, such as ARRESTING the PoS's that HIRE them! Start confiscating materials and equipment, take away a million dollar crane or two, and these illegals would stop finding jobs in construction, because the DIRTBAGS who hire them would be afraid of jail, instead of paltry fines. Take away some kitchen equipment, and that local McDonald's will be out of business for supporting illegals! (how long would it take to get McDonald's to pay a skosh more attention? Not long!)
But in this instance, getting a pedophile off the street is more important than busting a handful of illegals, that's just a fact.
We're deporting more now than ever before, but it's still not enough. We have to convince them NOT to come, and if they're here, to pack up and leave on their own.
Dunkin ~you assume to much about me. Americans transported illegals here as well. What about the illegals who come here just for crime and welfare deport them, welfare came after the fact. my point is that most of the illegal here were hired to do a job, going after those illegals burdens the system with less resources to do anything about the crime aspect. That had the objective always had been to go after AMERICANS who dodge fair wage laws we would not be in this mess in the first place.
Someone elses crime may shed light on MY crimes.... poor me, this is so unfair, boohoohoo.
Deport them all.
If nothing else, maybe this will discourage the illegal immigrants. If word spreads that the children of illegal immigrants can be used by pedophiles, then maybe the illegals won't come here.
If these pieces of crap are more worried about being arrested as criminals than they are about their childrens safety,they damn well NEED to be deported!!
the safety if their children should be first. those that are here illegally should be deported. scum bag wanna be parents.
Very well said.
Who is going to look after the safety of their children if they get deported?
If the parents take their children with them when they are deported, how are they going to keep their children safe in Cartel Country if they have no job?
Most of the illegal parents came to this country to give their children a better life. Risking deportation just to testify over a pervert teacher will not serve their children's interest.
stclaire- Very poorly stated.
Comment # 3 deleted. Don't accuse other users of being child molesters, ann-657578.
Mind the CoH.
Wow...SALLY... isn't that something. You delete my comment which was NOT directed at any one personally. We have all these white people on here making negative comments towards the Hispanics who just found out their kids may have been fed semen on cookies and crackers by a WHITE MAN. They are afraid to come forward because they distrust our racist system and YOU all are on here calling THEM criminals and NOT ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT about the perverts that started this whole mess in the first place. I did not personally call anyone a child molester. Can you not see what you are doing. I consider the comments on here racists against hispanics and I want them deleted.
Ann, are you saying all illegal immigrants are Hispanic? If so, that would be a racist statement. Not all illegal immigrants are Hispanic and we all know that. So when I say I want them deported, I want all illegals deported no matter what their heritage is!
they should be deported if at all possible !!!!!
If they hadn't illegally came here in the first place, they could have potiently found a better school preferablly without the abuse. You get what you pay for. The School is probably a scam to do this kind of stuff and extorate illegals in this way. So the moral is to file your self before someone defiles you.
Well that ought to make proponents of deporting all undocumented persons (aka illegals) real happy...
That way the Pedophiles (at least these ones) won't have to face any accusers and at the very most might have to move somewhere else (no conviction no need to register as a sex offender)...
and who knows maybe their kids will be next on the list.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious OottRascals! I was also confused as to why people were focusing on a minor issue compared to what the animals did to the kids.
People are focusing on the immigration issue because that was the entire point of the article - that parents didn't report the abuse because they were afraid of being deported.
Mexico has one of the highest statistics of rape on children and slavery of children.
What is the point of having an anchor baby if protecting it causes you to get deported? So they don't report the abuse. Very sad. These are not people we need in America.
@OottRascals, which comment/s expressed the view that the families whom are in the United States illegally should be deported INSTEAD of providing information regarding this crime.
bencas, animals don't abuse children, pedophiles do !
well the reason we are focusing on illegal immigration is cuz compared to a incident of pedophilia in a school it is a major issue last time i checked sexual abuse in a school wasn't on the same level of proliferation as millions of illegals leeching our economy to the point where our recovery is slowed down to the speed of molasses moving uphill in a snow storm. when pedophiles in schools reach the numbers and affect on the country that illegal immigrants and hiring illegals does then we will focus on that.
anyone who says a few children are more important then our existence as a free country is a fool and a traitor to America.
i also set forth that anyone who thinks illegals are justified is an illegal themselves and should be investigated for such regardless of location in the states. cuz every person that grows up here would not know of how hard life in mexico is not truly. even tourists are insulated from most of the @!$%# in that country.
also to continue my rant i hate the PC of this country who say we should refer to a black man and/or woman as a African-American . i say B.S.! if you were born here your an american regardless of your ancestry your firts loyalty is to family and country not the country yur grand parents or great grand arents, or great great grandparents came from. your loyalty is to this country and damn PC
@ Koza Deraza
Yea that's the ticket... blame the victim.
@ jrdrop
You're kidding right??? The comment immediately above yours comes to mind... Just in case you don't recognize what's between the lines.
@ flounder2760
Oh say can you see??? yep your response screams the epitome of American ideals... Give Me Freedom... Fock the rest of you...
@ Tony-718521
And that means what as it relates to this story?
If parents are more concerned about staying here than ensuring their childrens' safety, I don't want them here. They don't deserve to be here.
Watch out....the ACLU is probably reading these comments.
The ACLU would bring a court case for the illegal family saying sending a parent, or parents, back to their country of origin would DISRUPT the family since the children would probably have no legal kin in the area to take care of them.
Wait a minute.....Mr. Obama, the DHS, and the DOJ have put a stop to DEPORTING illegals unless the illegal committed a crime. Guess Mr. Obama is OK with his AMNESTY Executive Order:
Guess Mr. Obama is finally making a statement: "I don't need Congress to write Laws anymore." And, "I don't need a swearing in ceremony when I am re-elected, just have a simple coronation."
Kindly keep your political ramblings out of my posts, unless politics is the actual topic. If you can only post partisan political bull@!$%#, please get a life.
IDO...thanks for putting up the colorful banner....i can skip your future comments easily.
You go IDO.... iandroro is too closed-minded to read posts other than what he believes anyway. Typical Liberal.
Obama is well on his way to deporting more illegals in his first term than George Bush deported in two according to Mother Jones.
Many if not most of the illegal aliens came here to make a better life for their children, so allowing themselves to be deported and taking their children back to whatever hell-hole they came from will not make their children any safer. How do you keep a child safe in a poor section of Mexico?
You have a revolution and stand up for your children in your own nation. America did and ended slavery with a war that divided brother against brother...
As for a "better life"... the guy robbing a store wants a better life too, for his kids...lets let him off also ...shall we?
It is called having HEART... but then it is easier to cross the border and live off those who already have a civilized nation.
It's a hard choice ... maybe be deported, but realize Obama probably will not allow any be deported before Nov 2012, so stick it out, say the right things at the right time to the right people, and get some of that future settlement cash that everyone is positioning themselves for ... what to do, what to do
STexan: With comments like your you can see why people in texas appear to be really dumb and off base with real intellect, with Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Bush Jr. and Glover Norquist you have some great role model's which makes the IQ level drop to a all time low. What to do? Do you know what that means?
STexan how about going after the AMERICANS who hire illegal immigrants they are the ones who caused the problem in the first place.
tao of wow, no you are wrong, the illegals come here to suck dry our welfare systems, and our hospitals, they come to have their babies here so that they can get on welfare and food stamps when American citizens can't get any public assistance. these people also have their babies (anchor) so that they can fight us for u.s. citizenship claiming that their babes are American citizens because they have lawbreakers and lulac and la raza trying their damndest to keep them here, then they complain that we are seperating families, but i don't see how because if i were in their place i would take my children with me!
that only happen after the fact. This has been going on for years and years.
Sandra:
As a former illegal myself, I did not come here to 'suck dry our welfare systems and our hospitals'. i came here because my parents paid for me to come here so they could offer me a btter life than the one I was headed for at the time, for a brighter future than the one that circumstances placed me in. They sacrificed a lot to bring me here. Please don't make generalizations about 'all illegals' if you do not know for certyain that these generalizations are true.
Tao, Americans hire the best workers. It is all about running a business. I dare you to work side by side with a farm worker. You would never last an hour.
STexan: Yeah, because illegals can vote for him. Wait, no they can't.
because i demand fair wage for my labor, because I won't spray pesticides that will cause health problems all my life, medical bills cost. I have worked on a farm it is labor intensive but i have rights to breaks and not on a quota system.
Until these parents start thinking of thier children nothing can be solved nor will these children ever get the help they need. As to them being undocumented I would ask them which is more important your child or yourself. If that means they are deported at least the child will be safe and know their parents did put them first. To behonest this is the perfect opportunity to speak with every child at that school and up front find out how many are un documented so that can all be handled as a seperate task in getting those children to thier own country and to get the help they need.
arizruby:
If that means they are deported at least the child will be safe and know their parents did put them first.
And we all know how the foster system is perfect, every foster home is safe and no child is ever abused in the fostercare system despite the safeguards placed on it.
The child will know their parents did the right thin and reported it but it won't look to the child like their parents put them first. If the child has to saty because they were botrn here while the parents are deported, the child will either go into the care of relatives or into the fostercare system, depriving a traumatized child of family/parental support and love. Added to that, people will now know that their parent was illegal and that the child is considered an 'anchor baby' and you do realize theat there are a lot of people advocating for the removal of anchor babies too.
There are even extremists advocating for shooting all illegals on sight. How do you think that child is going to feel? Particularly if they end up going into the foster system and the foster parents don't like Hispanics and are only taking in foster children because they want the government money?
How would this be any better than granting the parent a temporary federal deportation stay, then helping them make the transition from 'illegal' to 'legal' betywen now and the end of the trial so that they won't have to face separation, deportation and the foster care system and taxpayer dollars won't go to putting 'anchor babies' in child welfare?
arizruby - Do you not see that your comment perfectly explains why these parents won't come forward? You want to use the tragedy of multiple cases of child molestation as an excuse to go on a witch hunt to identify illegal immigrants. That is exactly what the parents are afraid will happen. As a general cultural norm, Hispanic parents care very deeply about their children, often sacrificing greatly to ensure their children a better life. But these parents are scared, confused and caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place; protecting their families from people like you versus coming forward about past abuse. Remember that this story is not about parents who knew their children were being abused and did nothing about it. It is about parents who have discovered that their children may have been abused in the past and are afraid to come forward and offer information. In all likelihood, their children are safe now that the molester(s) have been identified and removed from the school so this is not necessarily an issue of the parents failing to take action to protect their children from immediate harm. Their reluctance to come forward is, in fact, a strategy to protect their children. They fear that they will be deported and that their children will be sent to a life of poverty and violence. Or, they fear that their children will be left here while they are deported. If you have children, imagine your reaction if you believed that the government was going to take you away and separate you from your children. Don't make the excuse that the parents have only themselves to blame because they came here illegally. Think instead for a moment about how losing your children would make you feel and think about what you might do to keep that from happening.
I have read many of the posts down to this point and the overwhelming feeling I get is saddness. When did America lose it soul and its compassion for other people? When did we become so black and white and forget that there are always shades of gray in every issue?
Obama will sue your state if you try and enforce U.S. immigration laws ....
American's will soon not have to worry about Obama, even his own ILLEGAL Aunt got to stay here, he will protect every illegal he can because he wants their vote, and ain't that a crock to begin with, how is it illegals have the right to vote at all?
And, how about Mr. Obama's UNCLE ?
IDO, you are right I forgot one.
Um, by saying they're afraid to speak, have they not just spoken?? Duh...
It's like, "I don't want to speak about anything because I'm illegal but I don't want anyone to know...so I'll be quiet."
Yeah. They're too scared to tell the district what they know but they'll go tell MSNBC that they're illegal and let their pictures be run in the article. Something tells me they're not really afraid.
This is the way of illegals self serving, it is not for the children or they would protect them at all cost. No they will break any law they want and expect others to do the same as it is their way of life. This is not the American way of life BUT they do not want an American way of life they want a Mexican way of life with more money and free education and free food and free health. I do feel sorry for the children the parents have done harm by teaching them to break the law also. Protect the children But all illegals must be deported and return with illegal parents. Do it legal and all are welcome. These teacher must be punished for harm to any child and it the parent love the child they will make sure it is done.
The parents came to this country to do the jobs Americans can't or won't do because such a life is better than where they came from. Breaking a few laws is a small price to pay to lift your children out of third world poverty of the sort that most Americans cannot even imagine.
Google "WHAT PART OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND" before being so judgmental towards those who break a few bad laws that should be revised or repealed but never will in our life times.
The teacher should pay the hardest price possible no doubt about that, but illegal is still illegal and they all should be deported back to where they came from, and as far as this not being the American way, wrong it is the LAW.! And not one single ILLEGAL should ever be rewarded for breaking America's laws, when legal Americans break the law they have to pay the price so why are illegals any different?
Why is the AMERICANS who hire them always getting a free pass. That is the problem.
tao of wow, i'm assuming that you are illegal here and that is why you are so defensive !
No I don't appreciate my tax dollars going to support Americans who profit from hiring illegals and the pass the cost on to taxpayers. I do think illegals should be deported, however I think the problem we have is because the focus has been always on the illegals and not the reason they are here in the first place which is the AMERICANS who hire them. Now instead of paying for a over blown budget focus on illegals and not the Americans who hire them. The solution is still not focusing on the AMERICANS who hire them. BUT to spend money on a wall, upkeep of a wall, and the years and years of salaries of people who will be placed on the wall. Instead of Going after the AMERICANS who hire them, drying up the reason they are here in the first place and having a smaller budget to go after the few who still come here illegally.
wow They are better workers.
Tao is right. People hire many illegals at slave wages with no benefits and no recourse if they get hurt and they do suck off the welfare system by necessity. Just like every ethnic group in the world there are good and bad hispanics. Lumping them together is not fair. That said, the wide open border is a recipe for disaster for the illegals and for the US Citizens.
I think they should let the parents talk to get more evidence against PedoTeachers, although DNA evidence and photographic evidence would seem pretty damning.What disgusting freaks. I think maybe they chose schools with minority students because they thought they wouldn't get caught just because of the illegal issue and those peoples desire to not tangle with law enforcement. Pedophiles need stricter penalties, like castration.
That's the way of illegals no respect for US laws and no respect for their own children. The only thing they respect and lust for is USA dollars.
you plp think is that simple have you tink that alot of the had try to speek up and no one cares i as a perrent i now that the safety of my child is more important but still if i was in there position i more like it pull my kid from that school and move it to a difrent one and i bet alot of parrent are doing that now
The greed of someone who will illegally come to the USA so they can earn minimum wage gutting fish for ten hours a day so that their children can go to school and see doctors when they are sick.
Wow Luis... just wow
Hey, Jem here's an novel idea. Why don't you go over to Mexico and rally for their government to take care of their people? I think this is what is really needed in order to help these people achieve a better life for themselves. The only ones here that are benefiting from them being here is like tao says, it's a fact that the quality of life here is now in jeopardy. Cost of living going up like crazy and the wages are going down.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be trying to better themselves and their children, do it legally and guess what no problems. I'm tired of hearing all the bull-crap that they should be given a pass, hell break the law here and be a citizen and see what happens. I know it's hard for you to understand and all, but, that is why we have controlled immigration. You know so the stability of the country doesn't take a hit and the lives of our Natural citizens is not diminished. Just say NO !!!
Luis, try to get a little help from people when using the forum. Just a little though! It's almost like you are a foreigner or something. One of the proofs that while school is not fun, it's definitely needed. Just say NO to amnesty.
Don't get off of the real issue people. Its sick ass perverted white guys molesting little kids from a position of trust. Bishop, Coaches, Priest, Teachers, and even REALATIVES have a sickness that cannot be healed. I will never put my innocent children around these beast. The illegal families were fearful of the vile threats from these sickos. Poor people are afraid of law enforcement also with good reason, so many did not know how to get help. The explotation of our children is the real crime against humanity, not being illegal and scared. Stop the SPIN you Penn St. school loving perverts!
I just don't understand how this is an issue--illegal means a crime has been committed, and a punishment is warranted... i.e., deportation. It seems so simple--you want to come here, fine, do it the right way. You come here the wrong way you get tossed out on your behind. Where is the confusion?
Because some of those children of 'illegal' aren't illegal themselves, they were born here. And some of these families may have one child born here and another child who wan't.
Because while these 'illegals' may not have civil rights, they do have human rights and a basic human right is not being separated from your child.
Because some of the people DID come here 'the right way'. USCIS is backlogged on application of immigrants from mexico; in 2010 they were only just getting to applications fled in 1994.That's a wait of 16 yrs. And while USCIS is wading through the backlog, ICE is declaring people illegal left and right and deporting even though an immigrant is here legally and has paperwork in process already.
Because if you step forward to testify, and ICE goes to pull your file and realizes they are missing some piece of paper, you can be declared illegal even if you are not.
Because ICE can summarily decide they are all illegal and deport them all even if they aren't; there are stories of US born citizens who are harassed, detained and deported even when they are citizens and have clearly proven they are.
When it comes to ICE, 'illegal' does NOT automatically mean a crime has been committed. I was adopted, never told before my parents passed away. ICE lost my adoption paper, decided that made me 'illegal' and sent me to a deportation camp--then continued to keep me even after they discovered I was 'stateless' an here was nowhere I could be deported to since 'stateless' people by definition don't have a home country.
There are shades of gray in every topic, every issue. 'illegal' immigration is one of them.
On the black end of the spectrum, there are people tagged as 'illegals' who hopped the border to deal drugs and shot a cop on the way.
On the white end of the spectrum, there are people tagged as 'illegals' who were born here and belong here who are simply misidentified as illegals and have never broken a law.
And in between those two extremes is huge range of gray.
I think you make too much sense for most people on here.
I'm sorry that those things happened to you. I'm adopted too and I can't imagine going through that.
These parents may be hesitant in speakin out now, but wait until a lawyer gets ahold of them and lets them know there is money to be made, I bet they will be talking their *sses off!!!
"some of them are undocumented" Not just some of them, a lot of them. I realize this should't matter if a child has been hurt but I can't help but wonder how many people will be sueing LA school district and if all the alligations are from kids or parents trying to get rich?
Problem solved! No kids...no schools.
If they're so worried then they shouldn't be in this country ILLEGALLY. Deport every last one of them.
You know the anti-immigration (Yes, Immigration, not "anti-illegal immigration", you Tanton-addled idiots) crowds are human-shaped feces when they're focusing on "there are illegals?!" than kids getting molested. Makes me sick to my stomach, and these types of people are the reason why the GOP will disappear from the history of American politics in 30~40 yrs.
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine. BTW - punctuation is a great way for people to comprehend your posts!
Those of your talking about deporting these illegals and that it isn't fair that legal immigrants had to pay a price while they didn't, why don't you get a more objective poitn of view. Before you start spewing random crap learn that the process of getting legalized is very sluggish and unreliable. I've known some illegals who tried to become legal, and were sent to Mexico for a waiting period, and were never contacted again.
As I was saying before you start accusing them of caring more about themselves than their children, you have to know that a life in their home country would probably end up worse for the child. Say if they were deported to Mexico, instead of the child having some future in a good job in the U.S. The child will be recruited by the vicious drug cartels and other bad influences.
Before you start saying deport this and deport that, how about you get some experience in living on a meager pay and an unreliable job. In a country where the safety you take for granted here is not always available. I once knew this lady who said, " No one here should criticize an immigrant's reason for comming here unless they know what they have been through and experienced it." This lady spent 2 years of her life living in Mexico, and she understands why many of them decide they couldn't raise children in that environment. They came to the U.S. in order to attempt to give their children a chance in making a positive impact on the world.
Those who say they should go through the immigration process, should try and look into the system and ask the average person you know who has gone through it how it was. It is not an easy process, nor very cheap. Many times there is not much of a chance in getting through, so they take the last resort, and that is to cross over illegally.
Don't blame them for trying to create a better life for their children, because if you're a good parent you would do the same.
Millions have entered this country legally. It's not the system. It's that these people don't want to go through the process. You also mentioned it's not cheap to legally migrate to this country. Lest you forgot, illegals pay thousands of dollars to coyotes to cross the border!
Who's criticizing THE REASON an immigrant came to the US? The issue (the laws being broken) is HOW they came into the country. Their selfish, self-imposed penetrative entrance and arrogant stay in the US would be fine if it was still the 18th or early 19th century. Times change. There are laws in place, as there are laws and reasons to legitimately regulate who and what enters and exits any sovereign nation's borders.
Chowchig, thank you. that was very thoughtful and compassionate. Those people have been through a lot. Thanks for showing us a kinder point of view.
Thank you!!!! Finally a voice of sanity and reason in these ridiculous rantings that are completely missing the whole point. Children are being abused and molested, and all people are commenting about is "horrible" immigrant parents who don't care about their children. I am a teacher at a school with a large undocumented parent population. The number one reason most of them came to the U.S. was so that their children could have a better life, and not be sucked into the violence, drug trafficking, and other unimaginable horrors they would face every day in their own country. In short, they wanted to save their children's lives. The "legal" immigration process often takes ten years or longer. By the time they completed this ridiculously drawn out process and were able to legally enter the U.S., it would have been too late to save their children. They saved them the only way they knew how - by entering the country illegally. Sounds like horrible parenting to me... Illegal? Technically, yes. Put yourselves in their shoes. Would you do the same thing to SAVE YOUR CHILD'S LIFE?
No, I guess we don't hear people criticizing the REASON people come to this country. But I do hear many criticizing them as unfit and horrible parents. I think chowchig was simply bringing the reasons they came here to light in order for others to see that they really do have their children's best interests at heart. They do not want to come forward for fear of being deported. The possibility of being molested in the U.S., or living a life of violence, drug trafficking, and who knows what else in the country they came from...I wouldn't want to make that choice for my child.
You've just described daily life in the ghetto. Shouldn't we be taking care of our citizens first?
Tony said:
It's not the system. It's that these people don't want to go through the process.
Part of the problem IS the system. In 2010, USCIS was just getting to applications filed by Mexicans in 1994. That's a wait of 16 years between time of entry and the time USCIS got around to your application, and what USCIS is finding now that many of the applications they are just now getting around to are people who were deported by ICE as illegal before anyone ever got a chance to look at the application.
They get railroaded and the only 'winner'here is Immigration--they keep the fee money plus whatever belongings the immigrant accumulated while they were here because all their possessions were confiscated as 'civil asset forfeiture' AND they get billions of taxpayer dollars to fund them too.
You also mentioned it's not cheap to legally migrate to this country.
The cost of legal entry into the US runs the average person about $6000 USD. In Mexico, that's one entire years's income. And many of them know that they can file the papers legally and do everything right, and the government will sit and sit and sit on their applications until time expires. Once their time expires ICE is pretty quick to show up, confiscate all their material possessions and deport them.
If the end result is going to be the same, why pay USCIS an entire year's income to come here legally when they will just take your money and your application, give you an ITIN number to file taxes and work, then sit on your application until time runs out and ICE takes everything you worked for, all you money and stuff, and put you back right where you started?
Save your money and stay in Mexico. Time for them too ask of their government to take care of them. Have you ever seen the immigration laws for other countries? Hell even Mexico's immigration laws are more abrasive than ours. There are laws for a reason and ours really seems to mean nothing to the illegals who cross that border w/o paperwork. Maybe a little too old for you," show me the papers old man".
HLS should be handling this matter but chooses not too, the government sues the states for trying too protect their own. Something smells about the whole thing and it smells like amnesty, if this is the case I say lets go get the people from all of the other countries, whom are not doing so good and bring them here as well.
Loser parents.
Come to America, try protesting in English.
that's the beauty of america. you can speak any language you want. no where is it written that english is the offical language. if someone is talking spanish around you chances are they are not talking to you. so mind your own dam business, and if it bothers you that much LEARN SPANISH
Boy you are ignorant. It is indeed written in some states that English is the official language.
Regardless, Spanish dumbs down America. It impacts our schools negatively. Using your logic, they could protest in Ebonics. But that experiment has been done, and we know how it turns out....The parents in Oakland got Ebonics introduced into the school system, and the performance of the students suffered. Sad.
Anything else you don't understand?
Koza Dereza---
This country has no official, national language.
Re: states: I notice you didn't name the states that you claim have made English their official language. Could it be that it's a claim that someone else made without naming any states and you're merely parroting what that person said?
When you say the parents in Oakland got Ebonics introduced in the school system, that's a flat-out lie; I'm not going to bother with niceties. It's a lie, period.
The Oakland School Board attempted to get Ebonics included in the curriculum in 1996; the PARENTS of Oakland were against it as soon as the news broke Such a curriculum was NEVER integrated into the Oakland school's curriculum because of the wide public outcry, from teachers and parents of Oakland.
You may not be aware of this; but, Oakland is a very diverse city; every resident of Oakland doesn't speak Ebonics; so mere logic should tell you that the PARENTS of Oakland didn't introduce Ebonics into the school curriculum when the MAJORITY of Oakland parents speak other languages and Ebonics is not one of them.
See how misguided and misinformed you are. Perhaps, you need to do a little research before you start posting comments and stop relying on mindless talk radio to fuel your misinformation. Sad, indeed.
Totcots -- Your lack of knowledge is exceeded only by your lack of knowledge. Simply go to or Google www_us-english.org/view/8
Your ignorance aside, the point is that Spanish is dumbing down America, and should be eschewed. That is a major reason English is being legislated by some as the official language. Do try to keep up.....Of course, if you WANT to be limited to low paying jobs, go ahead and learn it (or EBONICS!) in preference to English. LOL.
It is not hate, it is the law; a law that has been being abused by too many, for too
long. It is time to stop the abuse. We hate being abused. We want it stopped.
This is the way to stop it.
We have immigration laws to prevent many abuses-criminals, health concerns,
overcrowding and others. There just too many illegal immigrants in
our country.
We have an unemployment rate of 8.3%, 18 million Americans unemployed while we carry 18
million illegal immigrants. We have $1.2 trillion annual budget deficit while
illegal immigrants cost Americans $566 Billion a year in welfare, health care
and education benefits and extraneous costs. Have you no sense of logic?
You might think, "Well, just this one." But there are 50 states and Washington DC,
and if they all have the same attitude then we will still be violating the
spirit and function of the law thus alienating all those who have followed the
rule of law and those who are now following the rule of law by submitting to
the proper application process. Also those in mexsicko who might in the future
immigrate illegally.
The law needs to be applied equally in all situations to be fair to all and effective.
Believe me we are all understanding and sympathetic but we can't allow the law
to be abused. That is what is happening when people come here illegally whether
they did it yesterday or 50 years ago. If you let people get away with this
then every other illegal immigrant and the potential immigrants still in mexico will
think they can also break the law and be forgiven later like these people.
Send themALL back to be fair to all of them here, legally and illegally, and the ones
still in mexico who want to be here legally and illegally.
They are being equal and impartial about this, whether you came here 50 years ago or yesterday.
The Mexican illegal who hopped the border to deal drugs and shot a cop gets his possessions confiscated as 'civil asset forfeiture' and deported. He is not given a chance to file paperwork to become legal.
So is the 60+ year old German woman who was adopted in infancy from Germany after WWII in the 40's but her parents were never told by immigration at the time that citizenship wasn't automatic with adoption. Her house and car are seized as civil asset forfeiture and she is deported to Germany leaving hr son, who was living with her, homeless. She is not allowed to file paperwork to become legal even though the initial paperwork mistake was not hers.
So is the 17 year old Rwandan who was trafficked in as a 12 year old child by a USC who made child porn with her until she got too old to be appealing and turned her out at 17, pregnant. The baby is born in the deportation camp, is taken away from the mother and given into the are of the biological father over he mother's protests that he will certainly molest the baby girl--the word of an 'illegal' is not taken over the word of a USC.
So is the 18 year old Asian who was legally adopted by US Army vet who never told her she was adopted before he passed away. When ICE loses the adoption paper they ask her for it, she has no idea what they are talking about, and is detained as an illegal but cannot be deported because she was 'stateless' prior to her adoption and there is no home country to send her back to. She is told she will remain in deportation until she can produce the adoption paper.
Nice spin Amanda, his copy wasn't the only one that was produced in the actual adoption. There is a copy somewhere out there in the long fact files of the government. Why would her adoptive parent knowingly hide paperwork that he knows would be important for her to remain in the US? Once again I say Farce, this is more of a story someone made up to prove a point. The point is, you need to have paperwork to legally stay in the United States.
Put an import tariff on all
goods from those countries that these illegal immigrants originate from.
Mexico-Corona beer, fruits and vegetables, cars, trucks anything we import to America from Mexico
and Central and South America - put a tax on
it such that the total funds will be enough to capture, house, maintain and
return the illlegals, and pay to protect our borders from their people.
Increase the price of visas from those countries too. If they want to get here
make them pay for it. Then we can use the money to pay for sending them back.
"Many immigrants, both legal andillegal, take jobs that few native-born Americans would willingly occupy." Americans are unwilling to take those jobs at the wage, benefit and working conditions that criminals accept. If the employers would pay The American Standard, Americans would take the jobs. By utilizing criminal
labor, employers can reduce their costs. As all employers, collectively, commit this injustice that reduces the value of the outcome of their production efforts, and again collectively, devalues our GDP and our country.
Good point, Bobbb. If the illegal immigrants were not here, unskilled American and legal immigrants could demand proper wages and benefits. Illegal immigrants keep wages low and prevent citizens and landed (i.e., legal) immigrants from getting decent work.
We need to heavily fine (or even imprison) those employers who hire illegal immigrants.
No. Do the right thing! That is the point. If someone fears repercussions from their own actions over the safety and care of a child, that's a testimony to their character and selfishness.