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Subscribe to RSSUpdated 12:57 p.m. ET: SPOKANE, Wash. -- Police have identified a "person of interest" in the homicide investigation of a woman and two children whose bodies were found in a home in north Spokane.
Spokane police say they are looking for 22-year-old Dustin W. Gilman, who is thought to be driving a silver 2007 Nissan Pathfinder.
On Friday, police spokeswoman Jennifer DeRuwe said police were looking for a "suspect" believed to be in a domestic relationship with the three dead.
Maj. Frank Scalise described it as "a potential domestic violence" situation.
The victims' names, ages and cause of death were not immediately released. DeRuwe said she couldn't specify the victims' relationship to each other.
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Domestic violence hits another family again. Condolences and prayers go to the victim's family and friends.
How can the authority stop it before it happens next time?
Can the friends and relatives help to save the high risk family?
or you might meet someone weird enough to make you the victim in a news story...sugarbooger...
spam bots drive people to kill - you think someone has the hots for you and when you pay the $50 to see who it is...poof, they disappear. Rejection has killed millions through out history :(
It was bad enough that the bots have taken over the sports blogs - now our holy Newsvine...it just adds insult to injury with us already having to put up with all the neo-cons who recently joined...God hates humans, what's why he invented the Internet, to punish us.
plain bob; its been a good 50 years since I ate a booger - I forget if they are sweet or salty???
Now back to the news; Spokane (Spocane to you non Wershuntonians) is a fairly poor city...this isn't that uncommon for that area. Being poor sucks - but according to the neo-cons it's a choice and there for their fault.
Billie--
You ask "How can the authority (sic) stop it before it happens next time?" It's easy. Pass a law that prohibits all marriages, domestic partnerships and any other domestic relationships. If nobody is tied legally to anybody else, there is no more domestic violence. Of course, then you have to pass a law that takes care of the children that are produced by the sexual liasons that can never be legislated out of existence. Hmmm .... what shall we do next? How about passing a law making all speed limits 5 mph and mandating that all vehicles are encased in mattresses. Poof .... traffic fatalities are gone. There oughtta be a law requiring people who say "There oughtta be a law" to provide some proof that they understand what they are saying.
Ten bucks it was a gun..
If it was a gun, knife or any other weapon should not matter. If a gun is sitting on the counter, it will NEVER go off until SOMEONE picks it up!!!.. it is called "lets be responsible for our own actions"!!! If someone is out to kill someone they will find a way. If they were to choke or smuther someone are we going to blame the hands, fingers, and or pillow???? come on!!!!
As long as the earth has been here, there has always been a certain % of everything. There has always been a certain % of people that will commit a crime. As the population goes up, the % goes up. We can reduce the % by building safer cars to cut down on accidents, or safer buildings to cut down on fires. But, to change the human being, is the real challenge.
Horrible. I agree w you Billie. How can we flag high risk families and intervene before the unthinkable and irreparable damage happens??
I like sperm banks myself........no connection to any man. Men are way too violent to be around women and children.
Well Lusitiana, bet it was a gun, too bad it was not hers, then story would not be much of story, mad ex breaks in, womem defends self and children with gun, mad ex gets some must need eternal chill time. Not much of a story then so would not be here discussing it. Ever notice how that works, unarmed folks get killed my armed folks who most likley broke any number of laws to get the gun, then broke a whole bunch more laws while using the gun so like the gun laws or the other laws really worked, and they go shoot folks. Do not hear as much about when the oppisite occurs, which is a LOT more than most folks are aware of, becuase that does not fit the propaganda. Outlawing guns and expecting that to magicily stop crime is like congress passing a law making cancer illegal and wonder why folks are still getting cancer. Might add that many "experts" are just baffeled that violent crime keeps dropping, even as the economy sputters, which to my knowledge has never occured before. Now they like to talk about a lot of differnt factors, and am sure some are legit, but what seems to be coming out in the research is that crime rates drop follows in states that pass conceled carry gun permits. Huh, who would have thought it. Instant accountabilty and possiblity of getting a serious case of dead seems to deter many, not all, but many crimminals. Even mad ex husbands bent on killing ex wifes and children tend to get very calm with the correct "dosage and placement" of lead. Guns can kill, but often times it is somebody who may really need it. not always, but often enough I chose to have one. Never used it on a human, pray never will. But I believe I should have the option, which does come with a lot of responsibility.
This story line is so common place anymore, it's not even the least bit shocking. That's really sad...!!
@Meg,
maybe after social services is called to the home over twice??
The fact is that guns were, and are, the weapons of cowards. You don't have to confront your problems. You just pick up a gun and shoot. Hand to hand combat takes courage. Guns take cowards.
The fact is, the unless a crime has been committed, there is very little the police can do. UNLESS one spouse chooses to have the other arrested. It's a lot harder to do than you can imagine.
Geno your statement is kind of vague. Are you saying military and law enforcement are cowards? I won't say you're a idiot but.....
Spokane, WA is not just a poor city as mentioned by drainbramage--it is a large city in Eastern Washington; of which most of the Cities are Agricultural. Spokane is a developed City (not agricultural) much like many in the United States.
That doesn't have anything to do with what seems is a copy cat murder of a family again.
When such horrific acts happen like Powell's; many bad domestic issues reinforce a mentally unstable person to think they can do the same---and they do--there may be several cases popping up after Powell's unforgivable event.
Serial family murder "acts". i.e., Casey Anthony was first.
Yes, Spokane can be considered poor. Many of the states resources go to the west side of the state. we have a population that rivals Tacoma, switching who's the 2nd largest of the state. It shares a border with N Idaho. I'll keep my opinion on that to myself though.
The culture here is different than Seattle.. but we do try. At the same time, there is a lot of agricultural influence and conservative input from the smaller towns. It's very non-progressive here.. We get tech in, it goes away. Business do not last here for long, outside the chains of course. Medical facilities are fantastic and if you're outdoorsy, it's pretty awesome. It kinda sucks sometimes, but there are some pretty cool things here.
This story isn't one of them. However, as someone else has already pointed out, these headlines and stories are becoming common place. I am thinking this only made it to MSN because of the Josh Powell fuedl tragedy in Puyallup. Which is 300 miles away. People who are in other areas of country always need Seattle to get a grasp of where Spokane is.
A thousand bucks you're a Constitution-destroying liberal.
Geno65 You are worse than a Lib that does NOT know what the crap he his talking about. I have a AR 15 that holds 30 rounds. I take it hunting wild hogs. I don't know many cowards that will face a 600lb wild hog coming at them full bore. 458 caliber socum will normally stop them with one shot.
The gal that killed the intruder with her shotgun that was protecting herself and her newborn as the intruder was coming at her with a knife is a coward.
Wake Up and smell reality. You are a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whole lot of comments about guns. I don't remember reading how they were killed. Lets get the facts before we abolish the 2nd amendment.
Drainbra: What is a neocon?
@drainbramage
Yeah, don't you just hate it when people with differing opinions are allowed to voice them. Funny how you libs LOVE to whine and cry whenever you feel your right to free speech is being trampled on while at the same time telling conservatives to STFU.
I hate big cities, but even I have to admit Spokane is a beautiful city, as cities go if I had to live in Washington state and had to live in a city I would pick Spokane over the rest of them. as far as the rest of the west coast goes give it all back to the Mexicans and build a wall. Oregon is negotiable. there is one problem thou for some reason every time I visit Spokane the cops shoot somebody you can bet on them shooting someone at least once a week, I often wonder whats up with that. they like to refer to it as police assisted suicide. I think they just get the last pick from the academy. also braindead said it was a poor town, well for a poor town it sure has allot of very nice homes and mansions! I think braindead never left the freeway that runs thruogh the oldest part of town, take a drive up that south hill some time, or along its bluffs, hell that town reaks of money. sorry braindead you won't find a nicer city in its catagory any where. it has lots of ++++++. you just have to get off the freeway and check it out.
D Buck-2239568 - Have you ever lived in Spokane, or did you just drive through? I've actually lived there, and I hope to never again. It is only a "beautiful city" if you are in certain parts. The rest of the city is tacky little houses on tiny little lots. Just the look of the town is depressing. The big activity on Saturday night is to drive up and down Division squealing your tires and drinking. And have you checked out the foreclosures? There are literally dozens of them in Spokane. And as for being on the West Coast, I don't know whether you noticed or not, but there is a mountain range between Spokane and the West Coast. It's called the Cascades.
Heather, for being a negative nelly, you could get out more. Do they even "drag" on Division anymore? And if they do, it's kids. Or idiots. Which were you?
Obviously you stayed to one place in town, the bad place. There are areas that do have the little houses you're referring to- mostly around the Vets hospital.. for single vets to live in when they came home from the war. I personally live in a 4 bedroom, 3k square foot on about a half acre lot. It's a craftsman, surrounded by other similar houses, Victorian, Tudor, etc. Perhaps you were in Hillyard, which then I understand your bitterness. When were you here last? Every time I go to look around there are new things to explore.
OMG FORECLOSURES!!!????!??!??!?! Like we're the only place in the country that has that going on!
It does get gray and a little sad here when the winter months drag on and the trees are lacking leaves and there's slush and rain. People from all over move to Spokane for a reason. Especially Californians. :( Cost of living ain't too shabby. Some for the mountains, some for all the lakes, some for the crap they put in to cater to the cookie cutter conservative, BORING, mall shoppers. We also have some wonderful history, as well as some bad history. There was a lot of wealth that was to be found here, and there are still plenty of rich people here.
Oh my goodness, sounds just like any other city. Ups and downs, growing pains.. but not as bad as your bitter little tale would suggest. lol You pick out one neighborhood and one juvenile event, while ignoring anything else. Were you one of the out of the area drug rehab patients they frequently send this way?
You either have fun in your little backwoods town, meth land of Yakima or TriCities, or congestion of the SeaTac area. And yeah, all the little burbs in that area are the same. Congested, idiot drivers, and miles and miles of the same strip mall stamp all over the place. I know because I live there part time, when I'm not in Spokane. That's pretty much WA. I do invite you to stay away from here. We aren't missing you.
D Buck. I agree on the cops things.. we have had some worrisome things with our police force for a long, long time. New Mayors, Chiefs, etc haven't solved it. Now there is a new Mayor and well.. we'll see what happens.
agree; However, these stories put FEAR into the hearts/minds of others which is not always/seldom justified.
We need better education AND values in our society; training to other ways to resolve stressful situations.
Sorry to hear of ALL VIOLENCE, domestic situations are only one facet of it.
RIP Family, RIP.
Most domestic problems are economy related and no amount of education is going to change that. I know people with masters and doctoral degrees and they can not find jobs to feed their families placing a lot of stress on the family. Husband and wife eventually fighting over who and how to pay the bills. Capitalism is broken and so is our government sponsoring it.
Economic slavery anyone.. I got mine and as far as I am concerned you can go to h&ll (sarc). Isn't that how our economy works....
Actually, most domestic problems are caused by people who were raised in a environment of violence.. the kind that saw daddy slap the hell out of mom and learned that it was accepted behavior.. The economy is a trigger nothing more..
Peter, please tell me you are joking. The only way domestic problems are related to the economy is by adding more stress to an already volatile situation. Mssuzieq is right, when it comes to domestic violence, the abuser was typically raised in a violent environment, and usually, so was the victim. Violence begets violence and the tolerance/acceptance of violence. Economic slavery has nothing to do with it. Please, study up on domestic abuse, you will learn so much.
Guy, aren't you stealing (plagarizing) your name from Prairie Home Companion?
Back in the late 80's, I lived in Spokane. I had an abusive husband. There was several times when i was 8 months pregnant that my husband beat me up on the street corner. Maple street, very busy road... No one ever helped or called the police... I say we need more public participation.. If you see someone being abused or you know of someone help out.... This wont stop until the violent people know they are being watched....
getting Mad does Not solve anything.. Madness is a emotion that can easily trigger violence..human nature with most ; chills & settles down with most..people that go that extra mile, often have deadly or tragic results..best to seek; counseling, religion or any other entity that offers compassionate understanding........
rw, that is an affliction that affects every city. I'm one to always stick my nose into those sitches.. I can't stand seeing anyone abused..
I just actually caught a show called - What Would You Do? I was surprised to see how many people did step up. More than those who wouldn't. I agree, we need to keep focusing on making it clear- it is not ok!
COmommy and mssuzieq
You are absolutely correct in your assertion. No, I wasn't joking. It does notch up the stress level. Maybe to the breaking level. Certainly acts as a trigger. Agree totally.
This so sad. I pray that God will comfort the relatives that are grieving now.
So where is God when you need Him the most?
And why did your omnipotent god let these horrific murders happen, to begin with ?
God gave us souls and responsibility for our actions. We make the decisions to do right or wrong, He gives us that choice.
so wouldnt you think god would stop the adults via supernatural intervention since the children didnt get a choice- they werent free to make a choice? i guess childrens lives are less important then some adults "free will"!
Don, what do you mean when you say "God" ?
Do you mean this omnipotent Big Daddy (a male, of course), to whom you send your petitions-prayers ?
Why are people suprised that God didn't intervene and save these people? If one is refering to God as in Christian God then the answer is already given in the bible. It says we bear the sins of others and of our fathers and mothers. What does that mean? It means God isn't always going to intervene, it means he is going to let us decide our actions and let others bear the consequences of those actions. That is fairly easy to understand isn't it?
On top of that... save people from what? From this little life we have of say approx 80 years? Assume the bible is true for one second... if so, then what is 80 years when compared to infinity? It's nothing. On top of that save people from where? If there is a heaven and they were going there to spend eternity with God in it what exactly would God be saving them from? Spending time with Him? That wouldn't be much of a saving..
@PerterB,
God Bless you Peter, may you be forgiven of your sins this day and let the Holy Spirit fill your heart with joy and happiness. Amen.
This is why Atheists get so much disrespect. You have a vocal minority who look for opportunities to mock those for their faith. Makes the whole bunch look bad. Just as some sick "religious" people can make their faith look bad. You cannot demand to have your view respected when you are on the offense Atheists.
You should have looked past that post and moved on.
Well said, keep. Some people turn to God because it's the comfort they need, when you mock that you aren't doing any better then those religious zealots who bring fire and brimstone into any conversation. If you want to claim your belief or lack of is better, act it.
dano~ If you want respect for your belief you need to show you respect others for their own. Offering a prayer for someone who you already know isn't going to want it is the equivilant of looking down on someone because they are different.
As it is, this is a terribly sad article and I hope the murderer that did this is brought to justice quickly. I hope the families of the victims find peace soon.
So sad. I cant understand why people do stuff like this. What drives a person to kill their spouse, and kids no less. It just boggles my mind. Dont understand it. Sincere condolences to any extended family of friends of this mother and children. I cant imagine the sorrow
I don't condone murder, however I can understand male frustration in this society. The US is the most anti-male society in History....can men do any right in this country...and are there any rights that men have here? Everything from social life, everyday interactions to work life and interactions with the justice system is skewed toward women. Everything is viewed from the female perspective. For example, all the public disdain for men who have affairs or have sex with more than one woman...they are considered evil, while if women cheat it is because the men did something wrong. Maybe men cheat because their women are boring or abusive. Jackie O wasn't a beauty queen and seemed quite boring...why was it so wrong for JFK to play with others?
idiots like you need to pick a better forum to grind their axe. do us a favor, eliminate yourself from the gene pool.
Feel free to move out of the U.S. Pauper since you're so miserable here. I'll help you pack!!
AmericanPauper, I'm sorry but I really can't understand your reasoning. You can exchange the word "man" for "woman" but it still won't make sense. Do we even know if the killer is a man??? The article hasn't told us yet but hopefully "they" will be caught soon. Domestic does not necessarily mean hetero.
Could the answer be something called marriage vows???
Prayers and condolences for the families and friends of these victims.
More victims...more children gone...a lifetime of grief for loved ones. Terrible.
A statement easily refuted by the sausagefest that is American politics and political candidates, sports teams, etcc.
American Pauper, we know, puberty can be a difficult time. There's your changing body, the fact that you've never been kissed, the...Huh? You're how old?!? Nevermind.
as a fellow man i find your statements ridiculous- ahh yes men have it so bad-whaahh! Someone must have dropped you on your head- maybe it was father but im sure he blamed it on your mom since blaming women seems to run in the family
Wow Pauper, may I suggest you see a counselor right away? You are clearly in pain. Whenever someone feels they are a victim of an entire group they are in emotional trouble. Both men and women are expected to be faithful to their marriages. They are expected to be responsible for their children, too, even if the marriage fails.There's a lot to be said that humans have difficulty being faithful with one life partner, but be clear about that before entering a relationship, then. The economy does have an influence on rage and blame, but it isn't the fault of any one person. So be well, be responsible, be loving.
Source, link, thesis paper, anything to back that preposterous statement up??
(You aren't armed by any chance, are you??)
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! You poor little self-pitying thing! Sniff-sniff-sniff! Oh, the humanity! Sounds like you need to step off a bridge. That will solve all your problems. Ours, too.
americanpauper - What your comment say to me is that you have a great deal of trouble dealing with women on the basis of equality.
Just taking your trailing, rhetorical question, as an example of your thought process, I would say that a better question to ask about Kennedy would be, when has a woman risen to the highest political office in the land, while trailing a an endless string of extramarital affairs behind them?
Whether it was right or wrong for JFK to have slept around (and around, and around, and around), he never suffered any consequences for his actions. If he had been a woman he could never have won election as a town official in the smallest municipality in the country.
While I'm not in 100% agreement with American Pauper, he does make some valid points with his post. Check this article out and tell me that if a Husband would have shot his wife in her back while she slept, that he would have been set free...
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/mary_winkler/5.html
She should have received a long prison sentence, just like a man would and should if he killed his wife in that fashion.
Clinton's actions prevented Al Gore from not winning enough electoral votes before the election was stolen in Florida. I'll be waiting for some personal attacks now... LOL
LOL...lot of manginas and female chauvinists (feminists) in this chat room. Your minds are all biased toward the female view...some because they are manginas thinking that will get them pssy and others because mama filled their heads with nonsense since birth.
Just look at who gets convicted of murder or anything else in this country. It is rarely people like Casey Anthony...almost always "evil" husbands like Peterson. You people see everything from the Lifetime television perspective...poor, pitiful abused women, evil man perspective.
Do me a favor and go overdose on bon bons while you all lament the situation of poor, pitiful women (because that's what mama taught you).
Yeah, Casey Anthony is another murderer set free because she's a woman.
actually ObeytheLaw Casey Anthony was set free because of lack of evidence. Would you want to be convicted without evidence?? No. Blame the DA, don't blame it on because she was a woman. What a stupid thing to say.
Ewwww, maybe because we got tired of being ruled by men like YOU, or we wanted equality, or many other reasons..........men seem to view fairness as a loss for them
Frustration is a reality of the human condition. It is the inability to cope with anger, frustration and other aspects of daily life which result in these tragedies. Plenty of people have problems and don't resort to murder. Education helps becomes because it gives people options, ideas and strategies. Cycles of violence can be disrupted. I have seen it happen and helped it to happen in my work with at risk families. Problem is: people do what they have learned to do. Not reaching out for help or not having help easily accessable makes for a hopeless, helpless, isolated situation which can only spiral downward. If you are having these problems, contact your local hospital, fire station, mental health service, pastor, domestic violence hotline, suicide prevention hotline, ANYTHING. Just keep reaching out until someone helps you. PLEASE DON'T SUFFER IN SILENCE.
Meg, same nonsense that society tries to pull all the time here. The problem is that some people (blacks, gays, etc) are harassed incessantly....at school, at home, at work....eventually, no matter how mentally "well" you are, there will be problems. Society likes to blame unpopular individuals, rather than correct the society that created those problems. America is a sickness....guess you would have told the Civil Rights marchers to go, get help because they were "mentally ill."
Pauper is lamenting over the good old days when American white men were king of the hills. He has not evolved for the last 200years but he will still do very well in most muslim countries.
lonesome....not really, I think equality is a great thing. However, no group allows it.
@Kathryn Sullivan you must have some serious issues dealing with men. I'm not trying to be judgemental but your comments are definitely wrong. Both men and women have issues that should not involve violence.
Feminism is not a movement for equality between the sexes (maybe it once was, but it isn't any more). If a man stands up to a belligerent woman then it is "he just wants to dominate us." If a man did the things women in the US do, I would fight him. In the US, a woman can hit or attack me (verbally and physically) and I am not suppose to respond. If a man is battered by a woman it is taken as a joke, but if a man does the same thing (even if provoked) it is a horrible crime. Feminism today is nothing but female chauvinism...if you want equality, then take responsibility for your actions as men are told to. Don't expect chivalry...because that is counter to equality.
Yes, the dreaded scourge of female assaults on men. I've never witnessed one.
Has anyone here?
You seemed quite possessed with negative images of women. Most people I know do not have such troubles dealing with the opposite sex.
dmans...happens all the time mangina. Bunch of angry PMS women btching and trying to control everything....abusive as anything.
Dmans...they don't because they kow tow to women in fear...I married a foreigner years ago. We enjoy an equal marriage, not one where there is an angry, demanding female trying to dominate in all things. Heck, if I wanted a man, I would have married one...instead of an American woman.
dman, I've got a sister who beats her husband after she drinks, but he never hits her back. The poor guy always has bruises from the beatings. If it was the other way around, my Brother in law would have been thrown in jail. I tried to get her to stop drinking, but she won't listen to me, or anyone else.
ConcernedCitizen22, the same lack of evidence motion would have been considered irrelevant if the Father had been on trial for that child's death. What you had to say was stupid, not me.
American Pauper - I know of at least a couple of cases in which women assaulted men, and then called 911, only to be surprised and outraged when they (the women) were arrested for domestic violence. I also know of cases in which women were physically abused, only to be told, "I don't know why you make me act this way. I feel so silly when you do." Yes, violence goes both ways. But there is no way you can justify it, no matter which way it is going. You can't blame the victim for the acts of the abuser, no matter how hard you try to justify it. Not if the victim is annoying, disobedient, whines, nags, etc. If someone annoys you, you have the option to remove yourself from the situation, either temporarily until things cool down, or permanently, but you do not have the right to use violence to try to control another person. I think you have a very slanted view of reality, and see things the way you need to in order to justify your opinions. Men are not always the victims of women, and you can quit feeling sorry for yourself and take some responsibility for your own situation.
americanpauper - To say that I am tremendously unimpressed by your use of the term, "mangina", would be an understatement. Use of derogatory terms towards your opponent in a debate is the last resort of somebody who cannot argue upon the facts. A psychologist might also term it a form of "projection", attributing to others traits one fears in oneself.
Going back to your assertions, you've offered absolutely no evidence that violence against men by women commonly occurs without repercussions in this country, and as to your contention that ".they [other men] don't [have problems] because they kow tow to women in fear..", sorry, you saying it does not make it so. I think that once again you are projecting your own difficulties in dealing with women onto society as a whole.
And, most importantly, none of your contentions, even if absolutely true, would justify the murder of a woman and her children, as was reported in this story. Whomever was responsible had plenty of other options, even in the female-dominated society of your fantasies.
obeythelaw - That is your brother-in-law's problem. He should call the cops on her and let them explain the law to her... or simply divorce her, as she hardly sounds like a prize.
But man or woman, if you accept abuse from your domestic partner, wife, husband or spousal equivalent, you bear some of the blame for it. Society no longer condones such behavior, but the law cannot take action if no crime is reported.
...to which you respond,
Actually what you say here does sound pretty stupid, obeythelaw. While the Casey Anthony case appears to be a case where a woman got away with murdering her child; the case was weak. There is no reason to believe the jury would have brought in a guilty verdict had the accused been a man. She was not acquitted because she was a woman, but because the prosecution did not put on a sufficiently solid case for her conviction.
Same thing happened with the O.J. Simpson trial back 1995.
...and with the Michael Jackson sexual abuse trial in 2005.
...and the in the murder trial of Robert Blake, also in 2005.
Justice is not perfect in the American legal system. But it is not unfairly skewed in favor of women.
Thank you Dman....
ObeyTheLaw...The justice system doesn't not favor women over men or men over women. There are plenty of cases to back that up. Casey Anthony was judged by 12 people, not just 1 who loved women. 12 people decided the case lacked enough evidence. Just as in the OJ Simpson case.. Does everyone know/presume these two were guilty...yes.. but you can't convict someone because you think you know they did it. You must prove it and if you can't.. well that's where you get the NOT GUILTY verdict.
Let's talk about the OJ case. If anyone truly believes he didn't commit those murders than I feel sorry for you. Why did they just give up looking for the phantom murderer then? The case is now closed because they know who the murderer is. Oh yeah, there was plenty of evidence against evil OJ, but the detectives botched it up.
By the way, do you think this female murderer should have been set free...
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/mary_winkler/5.html
Which is precisely my point, obeythelaw. Last time I checked, O.J. is a man, and a black man to boot. If you are correct in your assertion, that the law is skewed in favor of woman, then why could a female prosecutor fail to obtain a conviction against a man, about whose guilt was the public was certain??
Hmmm... notorious crime. Public certain of the accused person's guilt. Jury returns a controversial verdict of not guilty. Much like the Casey Anthony case.
You see the parallel, I hope? (Because I cannot explain it any simpler a fashion.)
Yes, I'm familiar with the case, and no, I do not believe justice was done. But one case does not indict the entire criminal justice system, and Mary Winkler is not the first person, of either sex, who has escaped just punishment for an admitted crime.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=799&dat=19830714&id=7FgdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CFgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4115,1184596
Miscarriages of justice occur in our society. The guilty are found innocent. Those found guilty are given too lenient a sentence. I would not claim that such disturbing events are never influenced by the gender of the accused. But it is far from a common occurrence.
So if you're all done complaning about women/men laws, domestic violence and how unfair life is for men, did you happen to find out the details of this crimeand they in no way pertain to any of what you're talking about?
The killer of this adult and two children should have just killed him or herself. SO not fair.
R.I.P.
what were the children guilty of? None of it makes any sense. God bless the dead.
To "AmericanPauper" You are kidding right??? You are just looking for a response or comments right?? If you truly believe what you just posted you are a delusional and sick human being..Poor you!...
Yeah mangina...or female chauvinist....men are victimized in this society. It is no longer about equal rights, it is about a matriarchy. Presidents aren't the most powerful people....and just because a woman hasn't become president yet doesn't mean that they are so powerless. As far as the legal system and everything else goes they have all the power.
I, for one do hope we are moving toward a matriachy, men have been in charge for eons and look where we are........dying planet and planning new wars every day.......
AmPaup has to be a troll. Just has to be.
Kathryn....with a matriarchy all that will happen is nothing will get accomplished....everything will be silly cat fights and childish power games using their social connections.
Ban guns. I am only assuming,but I would bet 10 thousand dollars I am right.
Some people "Assume" they are smart.
You two should get a room!
10 thousand dollars. The bet still stands.
Where's Mitt Romney when you need him??
I wonder which SSRI he was on. Maybe they should have given him an anti Mass Hysteria drug or "charlie Shee" instead.
This is getting to be a habit. You can hardly go a day anymore without one of these domestic killings. I have no doubt it was over economic problems.
In this country, people think money is everything. I tell you this...if marriage and domestic relationships are only (or mostly) about money, you should never get involved in them. They will always fail if that is the case...because no one is always on top. If the woman or man just likes you for money...she/he will find the first opportunity to take your money and leave.
Billions of people in other countries stay married for life...living on a few dollars or cents a day. It's not all about no women's rights...it is more about respect for the institution of marriage...and realization that money isn't everything or even most things. The best thing that could happen to this country would be a prolonged (couple of decades) of economic collapse. Then, maybe, people would realize that life goes on even without great wealth...and they would discover what really makes them happy...rather than just what makes them rich and able to buy friends and lovers.
Banning guns..... ....like these psychopaths wouldnt find another way to kill. Andrea Yates did it with a bathtub for God sake.
Then we must ban bathtubs, too!
The Powell murders did not involve a gun...it was a hatchet and gasoline. Get off the gun soap box. If someone wants to kill, they will find a way--gun or no gun.
Yes, if we could only ban guns the world would be so pretty. The unicorns could roam free and there would be no wars or famine, hatred would be no more! Haaayyy, you going to Bogart that joint?
I'm thinkin just ban guns for men........let women fight back for a change.
Kathryn, I'm sorry for whatever happened to you or someone close to you to have you so hardened against men, but we are not all alike. Not by a long shot. Most of us are not violent towards women and children. I love both and no, not in some perverted way. Also, women can fight back and often do. By the way, unless my memory is flawed, I've seen many violent crimes against children by their own mothers. No?
Peace, Kathryn.
Ken
Most men in the US are manginas, men who cower in fear of or kow tow to whatever aggression or assertions women make. It is obvious in reading the responses to female chauvinist responses in here...if a man made such assertions the whole room would be down on him. Double standards. Too many belligerent women out there. And women, if you don't like abusive men....don't sleep with them and make them the fathers of your children. You mindlessly repeat this "survival of the fittest" crap and how you don't like "nice" men, but then are pissed that you get involved with abusive arseholes. Make up your minds...whatever you want, good for you, but don't btch about it after you get what you say you want.
Spokane is my home town. I hope this is no one I know. My condolences to the family.
I'm afraid we are going to see a hell of a lot more of this. And if I were to point the finger at the culprit...it's our useless, dysfunctional, self-serving government in Washington. No direction, spending us into oblivion, 24-7 nightmare news of what is in store for us all, a fantasy economy, unemployment actually double what the media tries to convince us of, inflation/deflation, gas going up-up-up at the pump...grocery shopping becoming a nightmare in itself.
Yes, stress/anxiety can make people "snap" and unless your marriage/family relationship is not rock-solid...all sorts of bad s##t can happen.
Economy is awful, no doubt about that. I have been really hurt financially. Very scary. However, the answer is not to blame, kill, or let yourself go "overboard". It is difficult, but one must find a way to survive as well as possible. Let it all go in your mind, and get assistance if needed. Somewhere you can find someone to share a house with so it's cheaper to exist. Even with kids to support. Somewhere you can find ways to keep living as cheaply as possible while things clear. Find some form of work - beneath you? Maybe! But, money coming in will feed the family. We do what we must to take care of our families. It may not be fancy or what we dreamed we could do right now, but just survive the bad time. There is no other choice right now. So, accept it and make "something" happen.
If we focus on the "bad of it" and how "unfair" it is, we will not survive - we will snap. There is no excuse for someone to "snap" to such a degree that they kill anyone. There is always some way to survive. Even if it is to go to a shelter temporarily. Keep your kids and famly warm, fed, and loved, while you find a way to climb up again. Meet people, talk to people. There are people who can and will assist. If you feel "desperate" talk to people! Keep talking to people until someone says, "Hey I have an idea that could help!" It will happen - don't close up or shut down.
Peter B,,,,,,God does not let things happen to us,,,the free will god gave us lets us do these things to each other,,,,God just gives us enough rope,,,,,,,what we do with the rope,,,,pull someone up or hang ourselves,,that's up to us,,,Do you get it now?????
I just wish when someone loses all hope, is desperate, and "going postal," that they would get help. If so deranged to want to kill - just kill yourself. Don't take innocent people, and especially children with you!
I would never want anyone to commit suicide, but if to you it is really that bad, just take yourself. Let others live.
The ugly truth is that it is very difficult to "get help" when someone is on the edge. I've tried to help friends and relatives who have desperately needed psychological intervention and it was next to impossible, even when they were expressing thoughts of suicide. Until you've tried to navigate the system, you won't understand how many doors will be slammed right in front of your face. Take them to the hospital? Call 911? Get an appt. with a psychiatrist? Call a Crisis Line? Tried it all and to no avail. The hospital just tells them to see a psychiatrist. Call 911 and you'll see a person already out of their normal mind handcuffed and taken to jail and/or to the local Psyche Ward of a hospital that can't accommodate them other than to put them in a glass encased observation room for a few hours only to release them later because, you know, they really don't have any available rooms or they're only admitting those who are mortally wounded and/or actually dying. Call a psychiatrist and they'll tell you they're either not taking new patients or the next available appointment is 6-8 weeks away. Until you've walked a mile in the shoes of someone in that level of crisis, you have NO idea how few resources are really available to them. As the one who was doing everything I could to get them the psychiatric help they needed, I've never felt so helpless and lost in my life. If someone is suicidal and they have children, their reasoning capabilities have morphed into a viewpoint of hopelessness. Try telling the person whose entire world has fallen apart that "It's going to be okay." It's nearly impossible to reason with them because they are so far gone emotionally, psychologically and even physically. I think the public needs to be aware of the ugly truth of the matter of "getting help." It's neither easy nor is said help readily available. My condolences to those in mourning today for these 3 lost precious lives, may they rest in sweet peace.
Help is fine, but all the "help" in the world won't fix a social problem. There is injustice against certain people in this society...same as it was with the blacks before Civil Rights. Just because the society doesn't like you shouldn't mean that people are permitted to harass you 24/7. Real "help" would be to have legal recourse against abusers or discriminators.
More people making more poor choices... sad..
what couices , there are no choices that will lead you away from domestic problems. been with us from the first family and will be here to the last family.
the young families of today are faced with many pressures and most of it can be blamed on the republican congress.
Misogyny strikes again and takes its bloody toll on women and children. When do we begin to abolish this social disease by teaching boys/men that their girlfriends/wives/children do not belong to them?
NOT true......NRA lie.
Kathryn...what about the crazy Brodderick woman (remember from the Lifetime television miniseries) or Kathleen Wuornos? A lot of crazy-arsed femmes out there.
AmericanPauper - There are indeed "A lot of crazy-arsed femmes out there," although I wouldn't have worded it quite that way. Just as there are a lot of crazy men out there. So what was your point again? Oh, that's right, I remember now, it's that women are responsible for the violence of men.
If we could get the country off mind altering drugs, we might start thinking again. This includes both legal AND illegal drugs.
It wouldn't stop ALL senseless killing, but would help bring down the rate.
Smoking those tumbleweeds again.
Much better than that crap you smoke.
Yet another informative article from msnbc. Absolutely no actual information included, just wanted to get the word out fast that something happened to someone somewhere. Why not wait until you have a few details to fill in? Desperation much? For us, it's just more of the usual...although I usually read Fox News articles when I don't want to know anything about what I'm reading.
Then stick with FOX.....they think your way.
Kathryn...seems you are a bitter pill today. Did your bf dump you last night or is it just that time of the month?
AmericanPauper - You really don't like women, do you?
Actually, Heather, Kathryn has been ripping men starting with her very first post on here so AP is just dishing it back a little. She's asking for some written abuse. Please note I said "written", as she is not asking nor deserving of physical abuse.
It seems you can't do too much to protect families, even if they know they have a ticking time bomb in their midst. It's like with Josh Powell. Everyone knew he killed Susan but his kids were still allowed to be with him unsupervised?!!! The criminals have more rights than the victims.
My ex is an unstable alcoholic with severe depression. He has never been violent, but when he drinks he acts like a totally different person. Fortunately, he KNOWS he's pretty crazy and has agreed to supervised visitation for now but I often fear he will pursue more visitation in the future. If my small kids ever have to go alone with him, I will sit there rocking in a chair and panicking until the second they come home. We don't know what the mentally ill are capable of. Since my ex has been suicidal, I fear he could do the whole I am killing myself and taking the kids with me bit.
Another killing of partner
and your children.
Compare USA rates to other
countries, and if they are double (or even higher)
it probably means
Americans are miserable, living in complete stress.
But you can always say,
where number #1 (in gun violence that is)
When are more women going to learn to use sperm banks, take care of themselves and their children and leave men to kill each other off. My god we have an epidemic of men killing women and children in this country..........we need MORE birth control ........not less.
It is certainly looking like that is what women must do. There are some really terrific men out there. The problem is that it is such a small minority, that relationships are impossible. Not sure what women in this country should do. So many men are just not growing up to be real men.
Makes me very sad, actually.
Kathryn, after reading your posts, I'd say you should shy away from sperm, no matter where it's from. You sound like you are full of anger and frustration, which would be horrible for children to grow up with. Also, there are many cases of women killing their kids, although it's easier to ignore that when you're a hate spouting fountain of anger.