Cussing in Arizona public schools could cost teachers their jobs if a bill sponsored by a group of five Republican lawmakers is passed.
The bill would require teachers to limit their speech to language compliant with Federal Communications Commission regulations on what can be said on TV or radio.
Sen. Lori Klein, R-Anthem, is the main sponsor of Senate Bill 1467, which establishes a three strikes penalty system for anyone teaching in a public school who violates the FCC standards.
Msnbc.com could not reach Sen. Klein on Monday, either by phone or email. Klein told azcentral.com the bill stems from constituent complaints about teachers in local high schools using “inappropriate language” in front of students.
"Students are young and impressionable and teachers should not be using four-letter words in the classroom," Klein said.
FCC regulations limit obscene, indecent and profane speech, and have defined profanity as “including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance.”
Penalties would range from a one-week suspension without compensation for a first offense to being fired for a third offense.
According to the bill, a school may even fire a teacher after the first or second occurrence. The bill applies to any public pre-school program, K-12 school, vocational education program, community college or university in Arizona.
“That is really problematic,” David Hudson of the First Amendment Center told msnbc.com. There are “serious First Amendment problems with it, serious academic freedom violations.”
Hudson said the bill is “ridiculously overbroad,” “unnecessary” and “unconstitutional.” The bill would limit teachers’ language wherever they are, whether in the classroom or the teachers’ lounge.
“I would be stunned if that bill passes,” he said.
Hudson said that controlling the language in classrooms should be the schools’ responsibility. He is not aware of similar sets of regulations elsewhere in the United States.
The Senate Education Committee has not yet scheduled a hearing for the bill.
Profanity is not always protected under the First Amendment, and public schools have vast discretion in controlling what type of language can be spoken on school grounds.
In the 1986 case of Bethel School District No. 403 v. Fraser, the Bethel School District in Spanaway, Wash., suspended 17-year-old Matthew Fraser for two days after what was deemed a lewd spring election campaign speech at a school assembly with 600 students present. His candidate won.
The courts held that the delivery of the speech in front of an engaged audience was disruptive and contrary to the values the school intended to promote. Hudson said this case is sometimes used as a precedent in dealing with public school teachers using profane language in classrooms.
Chief Justice Warren Burger delivered the opinion of the Court: “The undoubted freedom to advocate unpopular and controversial views in schools and classrooms must be balanced against the society's countervailing interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior.”
The Arizona Education Association could not be reached for comment.
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Leave it to Arizona to come up with yet another ridiculous law that will surely be challenged in court at taxpayer expense.
Arizona does have the market cornered when the issue is regulations. If you don't want more regulations then fear God and do what is right when no one but He is looking.
America has a moral problem. All the other issues are just symptomatic.
hmmm, fearing god dosen't neccesarily mean you have morals either. But i didn't know god was watching me when no one is around, is he peeking when I'm naked too?
yes he saw u naked , lol,
awesome for the prudes of america
Hey I know. Let's asked a Catholic Priest who's been transferred from location to location for some "unknown" reason. Did they fear god when they were...?
It's nice to know that Alabama can look down to Arizona.
I just hope they hold the students to the same standards!
This is the stupidest @!$%# I have read all day. There is nothing wrong with swear words. Just because a few people have a problem with it does not mean they have the right to ban everyone from using it because, god forbid, those poor children's virgin ears will get raped *rolls eyes*. What is next? Censoring anatomy photos?
I don't like the idea of teachers cussing in front of students, but it should take a law to use common sense...so here is a four letter word for law makers in AZ .........D-U-M-B
Satanick: Are you serious? You support the "right" for teachers to swear in front of students in the classroom? Is that really what you're saying, because if it is, I simply have no idea how to respond to something like that except by being rather rude.
This is one of the things that's wrong with our culture today, that people would think it okay to use vulgar language to the point they support it in the classroom. What happened to common courtesy and standards? How can we expect kids to behave properly and learn respect towards others in that kind of environment?
Kids copy. What they hear matters.
Yet again, my state's government shows off its commitment to limited government and constitutional liberties...
I'm getting really sick of apologizing for Arizona's idiotic legislature.
AG--just because it's not a good idea to swear in front of students does not mean that it's the state legislature's job to try to stop it. That's the real problem with our culture today-we think every problem under the sun requires a law to solve it. Heck, even things just "aren't good ideas" we feel the need to legislate away, like picking the "wrong" lightbulb, or the "wrong" bag to bring your groceries home in, or the "wrong" malt beverage to drink, etc.
Before this law is passed, it's worth asking how a big a problem teachers cussing in school is. Does Arizona have some kind of wide-spread teacher swearing problem that school principles and school boards have been unable to control with current laws? Or this just the result of some uptight busybody wanting to pass a law to appease some small constituency who's concerned about this sort of thing?
The sad thing is, of all the problems, the real problems, confronting AZ schools, I doubt teachers swearing would even crack the top 10. Would passing this law increase graduation rates? Would ensure high education standards from pupils? Would improve access to sports, arts, and other extracirricular activities? Would it make urban schools safer? Would it provide better access to technology to rural schools? Would it bring down student teacher ratios? Would it make it easier to keep the best teachers from leaving the profession?
Doubtful. Those are the problems the AZ legislature should be tackling. Not a few dirty words.
As a teacher, who should one blame when little Johnny comes to kindergarten and tells the teacher to get the "f*** away"? Teachers seem to do so much for 'students'. Except for the conception, birthing and raising them in whatever culture they were raised in until 5 years old; at which point, everything wrong with that student is the fault of every teacher that student ever had, including the parents (define parenting today...) teachers don't just teach, there is rarely any time for that when teachers are also, stand in parents, psychologists, disciplinarians (not punishment) nurses, counselors, watchers/reporters of abuse, police, fashion police, manner police, mentors, mediators, clergy, caretakers (provide appropriate clothing and needs for the student), the list goes on and on. I live in Oregon, I make 23k a year (a FTE) and I do all of those things and more. I did it for my own kids and I've done for other folks' kids. Teachers don't just teach. Some days, maybe a tough one, where you saw Johnny, now in the second grade with a black eye and wearing a sleeveless dirty shirt in February and you know what's going on, but Children Services hasn't really followed through enough, a teacher just may cuss within the confines of the area where staff, not students are allowed.
As well, if there are words, or contexts that may not appeal to some adults that are written in texts that are required reading, teachers should not and will not censor the authors. Trust me, the subject matter in the Twilight series is much worse.
Pick logical battles AZ, not such far fetched, bass-ackward ideas. Sooner, rather than later your state will begin to lose its population...
Then, you will be eaten by California!
Arizona is going off the scale of government intruding in our lives. Control that in contracts not in law. Stupid is what stupid does. Wonder what kind of expletives the governor was spouting to Pres. O. when she was pointing her fingers at him.
justross: It's not that I support this law, particuarly. I can see both sides of it, which makes it difficult to choose one. My comment was about Satanick's remark that swearing in front of kids is okay and we should just get over it. I think that's wrong.
Just make sure they publish the list in Spanish too (with English translation)......So the English speaking kids will know when they are being cursed at in Spanish by the teacher....
AG99. I'm not advocating teachers should just be allowed to stand at the head of the class and yell the f word for hours. But if a teacher slips up or is trying to put emphasis on something I think it's fine and would help show kids when it is appropriate to use such language and when it is not.
This is a problem worthy of legislation??? What the heck do they put in the water in Arizona? Is there anyone left in that state that isn't too embarrassed to admit living there?
Satanick....If I use the kind of language you are condoning on Newsvine....I would get a Tyler Time-Out or a Sally Suspension,......if not banned outright.....When is that kind of language appropriate ??...At work, in a Courtroom, when a TV reporter is talking about the President......the guy at the dealership talking to your mom ??....You even had to say "the F word" in your comment....cause you know the real world has standards...
Newsvine doesn't get after you if you swear in your comments. I just couldn't reply to someone and say @!$%# you because that wouldn't be respecting them.
When is it acceptable? I hear people swear in the "real world" everyday. They are just words. They are not inherently evil.
Shakespeare will be out! Lots of bad things in THAT! LOL
As an Arizona resident I have only one thing to say to the authors of this bill, "Fuct 'em".
Seriously???!! And Arizona receives more federal dollars than they pay to the federal government?? Interesting how they have money to fund this kind of tin can policing.
What about the kids? If you gave them the same suspensions as the teachers then the state of Arizona would only have a couple of hundred kids left in school by mid-term.
Profanity has no place in a classroom at any level of education - if you can not express yourself or a concept or teach without using profanity your not fit to instruct children or adults. If Arizona feels a law is necessary so be it - the state of Iowa in 1996 passed a law making it illegal to have sex with a corpse - apparently there was an issue so a law was passed - yes i know for you left wing radical liberals its an infringement upon your "rights" to have sex with a corpse
I think it's a wonderful idea ... it's a job thing ... all those government employees who would be needed to monitor teachers speach ... great Republican economic initiative.
Good Lord, What are you top two talking about. You both are sick.
I bet when they catch some one doing a curse word they are young, under 33, as for the young people today the F word is a routine word used. go to a mall or store and listen to the chatter of them.
As having sex with a corpse one would think she died as he was raping her. think about it.
And what is the definition of a curse word? Who decides on that definition? What if they curse in another language? What if the curse word is in a famous novel being discussed in the class? What is a curse word to one person may not be a curse word to another. For instance, the word for a son out of wedlock is an iffy term in the states but a big no-no in Italy. And certain curse words are, in fact, the best words to describe certain actions or things. Generations of people have perfected those words, honed their sounds and syllables, because those words perfectly illuminate their meanings. The only reason special consideration is given to them is because of busybodies from past generations like the legislators here.
I don't think adults should ever use profanity in front of youngsters, but to be offended by a word, and to legislate against it, shows a complete lack of wisdom about language and life in general. It shows a smallness of being and an unwillingness and incapability to see beyond the surface of our lives.
A curse word is easily defined - a word that the majority of society finds offensive. not that tough to define.
There are a lot of words right in the middle. And there are a lot of derogatory words that a majority of the population might find offensive that are not curse words. Plus, how about "using the lord's name in vain"? That would never bother half of the population, but it bothers a lot of religious people.
But then again, your political language in your previous post about something completely irrelevent to the conversation makes it easy to see that you falsely think the world is black and white, when it is anything but.
What a joke of a law. Obviously nobody here supporting this law remembers being kids because I can guarantee they've heard a lot worse at home or at school from other students.
But I guess Arizona's really just overflowing with so many qualified teachers that they can afford to fire a few over something ridiculous.
If only the standards of society weren't constantly changing. Anyone remember how the word "damn" was considered a huge controversy for the film Gone With the Wind? Think anyone cares now?
Wonder if God was watching when someone raped a corpse (oh, excuse me, had intercourse with a dead body?) I think Arizona, like the rest of theU.>S. needs to do something about the very poor ranking that our American students have on math and science. That's waht's wrong with Arizona. God I hopethe rest of the country doesn't go their way....I serously doubt these Republican lawmakers even went to a university, public or private. I can see schools regulating teachers talking in front of public school students, thru high school, but not to curse in the lounge, away from students/ That's a first amendment problem. University used to be where students could get some semblance of information and knowledge abour the rest of the world they live in, instead of being treated as if they are homem in the old kitchen table. I think college instructors can be trusted to use their languagge sparingly to illustrate a pertinent point, and don't need a bunch of ignorant American Talibans controlling their every Constitutional right. If a student doesn't like an instructor's way of speaking to his class in university, then that student doesn't have to take that particlar class. Why censor everyone else's right to hear what is on a teacher's m ind in university? Too many Taliban people trying to control the majority's rights to freedom of speech. And that trashy jan Brewer did far worse to President Obama than use the F-word. She was hostile, rude, and disrespectful and unnecessarily confrontational to the president that is her president whether she likes it or not. And I grant you her language was foul but not in the sense of usiing four-letter words. More like everythimg the bitch opens her ugly face and yaps, she's saying somnething morally obscene if not literally so. Go away, Arizona. Secede from the unjitoin. Maybe Mexico will annex you then (God help Mexico).
Manufactured outrage. Kids learn swearing from their parents, friends, music, TV. The teachers are not the ones corrupting the kids. Your 50 yr old school marm will be the last person to swear at children.
Can't they already be fired for using the "n" word, in many if not all states? I do not think liberals (nor conservatives) have a problem with that situation. So why when conservatives find something offensive or vulgar, and want to protest it, they are not accorded the same right?
It is a bit silly, now isn't it? For example, not all "cuss" words are "cuss" words, when taken in (or out of) context.
For example ...
"My bitch was a real pain last night. Couldn't get her to settle down."
Sentence overheard, teacher fired.
Teacher breeds dogs. "Bitch" is the appropriate (and correct) word for a female canine - as "dog" is actually the male canine.
Seriously, don't we have better things to do? Yes, "bad words" should not be used in front of kids, but let's not go overboard either.
How about bringing PRAYER back into schools as our FOUNDERS envisioned?
Which prayers, Native American prayers, buddhist prayers, norse gods prayers, and/or some voodoo prayers? You have to be more specific to which FOUNDERS religion, I can't just pray to any god.
There were right wing nut job founders, just as there are right wing nuts today, but most of the founders wanted no such thing as prayer in public schools.
@ Jacques: Read a history book.
YOUR SICK
@Jacques Strapp - what founders envisioned prayer in school? Have you ever read any history at all? Thomas Jefferson, arguably the most influential founding father, said Christianity was the worst travesty ever foisted upon humanity.
how about this prayer..God, grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change, the courage to change the thing can, and the wisdom to not smack strapp for saying something so stupid.
MC, he meant the church in general, he had his own copy of the bible with teaching of Jesus. But that said, he was a very serious supporter of the idea of seperation of church and state.
Manditory prayer in schools. Now that's more intrusive of an idea than the one being mention by Arizona Republicans. What is wrong with you Republicans? Push prayer and I'm certain this person meant Christian Prayer. Another freedom stealing idea from a Republican.
Uh, Jaques? The founders expressly forbade school prayer when they wrote the Bill of Rights.
Like logic and facts will help... not.
Hey Toasty, exactly which amendment forbids school prayer? The first Amendment reads as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Where does that say you may not pray in school?
Easy: it doesn't. Kids can pray all they want. They can pray till the cows come home. They can pray pray pray pray pray to their spoiled little uneducated hearts' content. It does say that the school cannot instigate or lead the prayer, because that would be a direct violation of the "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" part.
Don: English a second language or are you writing in ebonics ?
Congress Righties have said no. Good old romantic dow headed Bush years. Now the good man Boehner is carrying along the tradition of more no's.
Were you trying to make a statement in the rambling tirade mearly or just typing until you think of something to say????? Lord you know you can take a moment to think out what you say before applying pressure to the keys - you make no sense.
So if we had Muslim teachers leading classes in prayer to Allah nobody would mind right?
Ternan
Since you choose to be critical perhaps you can also be specific ..... I have no idea what you are talking about.
You mean forcing people to pray? Like they do in the middle east? Move to Iran, already, Jacques!
No, weasel, the implication, as if you didn't know, is that when the freedoms we enjoy were dispensed by the Founders of the Continental Congress, they stipulated that the only way this American experiment would survive is if the nation was inhabited by a "religious" people.
"Religious" to mean Christian or at least a proponent of the Judeo/Christian ethic. Look at the history evidence for yourself. I won't hold my breath for an honest discussion with the humanists in America.
Herald, so what was plan B if the American experiment failed?
Herald...nice try...lol.
Canada.
herald: Like this founding father?? James Madison: "An alliance or coalition between government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against."
or this founding father?? John Adams: "what we have are 13 governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone...without a pretence of miracle or mystery"
Or this founding father??
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." Thomas Jefferson
Good posting
no one said force anyone to pray but do not deny me my rights to pray if I so chose
Which nobody is trying to do, Ternan.
Sure they are toasty - you try to dictate to me when and where I can pray so that is placing lmiitations on my religious freedoms - not a difficult concept stud - something simple enough a liberal might even understand
Teran, The problem is not that YOU want to pray in school, but that you want everybody to pray with you, or you and "the church" starts yelling about religious persecution.
Ternan, nobody is suggesting you not pray privately to the imaginary deity of your choice. You can do this in school, in traffic, in your bed. There is not a law prohibiting any of this. Kids say little prayers in school all the time ("Please god, let her notice me!" "Please god, help me on this test today!") and no government intervention occurs. Stop making things up.
And speaking of making things up, what is it with Christian wingnuts and their insistence that America's founding fathers intended this to be a Christian nation? Seriously! This is so provably false as to almost be laughable. I guess when you base your entire life on a book full of fiction, it's easier for you to just make things up yourself as well.
Name one limitation, Ternan.
It's about time we have some control of teachers. We ask them to teach "reading, writing and arithmetic" not expound their beliefs and mores.
We don't need their personal thoughts on life at school. Teachers seem to think that they are entitled to their personal opinions at work. They are wrong.
Bill
I don't think you know much about what goes on in schools. There is more problem with distractions coming in from outside of the classroom, such as parents who want prayer in school and school boards that want creationism taught in science class, than any problems that arise from teacher opinions.
Don,
I don't think you have a clue about what I know that goes on in schools. This is the problem we have, many folks like you seem to think they know better than another person without knowing.
I have raised 3 kids from kindergarden to college. Their all adults now with their own childern.
I do have a really good idea what goes on in schools. I went to them, I have particpated in many school activities as a parent and didn't "interfer" with what went on in the classroom. I have personal experience about the general "mindset" of the teaching community. There are many good teachers, however, like in the rest of life there are many bad ones.
As I said before, to many teachers feel that their entitled to express their personal opinion on life while they teach, but they are not as in any job. They are there to do a defined job, not tell people what they think is right.
I do feel like I am spitting in the wind as it will do little good, but I won't quit even though there are many folks like you.
You really need to get a grip on reality.
Bill.
You are wrong. Sit in a classroom one of these days to see what is really going on. Better yet, volunteer at your local school, pick any level; elementary, middle school (I dare ya...) or, high school. We need your help, Bill.
No offense, but I am really glad you put your children through school (You shouldn't count K-12 if your kids went to public school. Same with community college). Each generation needs to know more than the last. I have opted not to proof your writing (though it needs it).
Bill--if you think teachers aren't heavily involved in the moral education of your children, or that somehow their role of teaching reading, writing, and arithemetic can be severed from their role and DUTY to moral education of your children, you clearly weren't paying attention in any of the class functions you attended.
Teachers not only teach reading, writing, and arithmetic, they teach proper social interaction. They teach your kids to sit still and listen when a person in authority is speaking, but they also teach proper ways to question authority, starting with the "raise your hand to speak" in first grade and moving on to "redress of grievances" in high school civics class. They break up fights in the playground and try to supply your children with ways resolve conflicts without fighting.
When it comes to reading, they don't just teach your kids the mechanics of reading, but how to appreciate what they read and what constitutes "good" books versus "bad" books. Why are Skakespeare's works great, and why should we disdain Danielle Steele? Was it right or wrong for Mark Twain to use the N word over 100 times in Huckleberry Finn (darn censors here won't even let me type it for an academic conversation)? With swearing in general, it shows up in a lot of great works of fiction. Should high school English teachers be forced to say "beep" when discussing those passages, as opposed to talking about the impact of strong words in writing, and when and why they are used to good effect and when they simply crass?
I can't help myself, sorry.
Don:
I don't think you have a clue about what I know; about what goes on in schools. This is the problem we have; many folks like you, seem to think they know better than another person.
I raised three kids from kindergarten to (Did you mean through, or to?) college. They're all adults now, with their own children.
I do have a really good idea, about what goes on in schools. I went to them, I have participated in many school activities as a parent, and didn't 'interfere' with what went on in the classroom. I have personal experience about the general 'mindset' of the teaching community. There are many good teachers; however, like in the rest of life, there are many bad ones.
As I said before, too many teachers feel they're entitled to express their personal opinion about life while they teach. They are not; not unlike other vocations. They are there to do a professional job, not tell students their opinions.
I do feel like I am spitting into the wind, as it will do little good. But, I won't quit, even though there are many folks like you.
Thanks, I feel better.
don: the major distractions in class are disengaged parents, lazy stupid students and incompetent teachers trying to inflict their left wing radicalism on the children
Teran,
NOW we get to the bottom line. It's not about "cussing", is it? Its about them nasty non-creationist, non-biblical ideas them radical teachers might have. You want to get rid of words like "evolution", "history" (the conservative unapproved of kind) and "slavery" and other horrible words that Conservatives find so offenisive is more what this is really about.
Ternan
"Left wing radicalism"? I seriously doubt it, but if you could give an example of the left wing ideas that you believe teachers are expressing the rest of us could understand whether you have a valid point.
I say we pass a law on politicians that any untruth that they tell either trying to obtain or while holding office on the first offence automatically requires them to either drop out of the race or give up their office. Because voter in Arizona are VERY impressionable!
Righteous soul that I am, I once advocated a law that would make all lying illegal. That is, until my wife asked me," Honey, does this dress make me look fat?".
So accoridng to this proposal, a college professor could be canned for using language found inappropriate? And Jaques, if you think prayers should be allowed in public school then I think Wicccans and every other group should then be able to spew their views in the classroom. Maybe even invite Westboro Baptist into the school for an all school mandatory assembly. Make sure Stanists and other groups also get thier time at the podium too. We all know that teachers are evil and must be controlled. What a bunch of damn fools you all are. Woops, I said damn.
Tom: If a university professor can not express a concept or give a lecture without the use of profanity then they are simply in the wrong career field. We expect educators not only to educate but to set an example - using profanity to express an idea is not only low class but also indicative of just how poorly qualified our educators are today. That you do not understand that is indicative of just how poor your education has been
When a teacher uses profanity, he/she demonstates a lack of vocabulary, respect, manners, and/or restraint. It's pathetic that classroom decorum has become so lax (and teachers are so unwilling to set good examples) that lawmakers feel compelled to use valuable floor time to debate basic decency.
Any teacher at any grade level who cannot express him/herself without using profanity does not belong in a teaching job (but legislating this is ridiculous).
A lot of great literature contains profanity. Would these laws prevent discussion of these books, or would the professor need to resort to code words? The advocates of these censorship laws have failed to show that the "problem" they are trying to solve even exists.
How funny. Kid has the most nasty month going. At home they are goody, goody shoe. Away from home tells the tale. so now are you going to tell the kids no swearing. What a joke. The ones who make the rules has the worst kids.
no the ones with the worse kids are those so called parents that are disengaged from their children because they are so wrapped up in their own lives they don't take the time. A child is a very good reflection of the type of parents they have - miserable kid -= miserable parents
Seriously? This is the best argument I've heard in a long time for a part-time legislature. Obviously they have too much spare time on their hands!
Republicans, what is going on? We all hear you and your political leaders claim to be the party of freedom of speech, democracy and protection of the Constitution of the United States. YET, every single time a personal right is taken away, it's at the hands of Republicans. It seems you all have identity crisis. It's looking like Republicans like dictatorship (Bush's actions) with freedom for the elite. Will all the poor and what's left of the middle class Republicans continue to fight against themselves because they can't let go of their intense Religion or hate of all that's not White (Racism)?
Yes freedom of speech is a constitutional right but has always had limitations put on it by the courts and by society in general. I know the concept of limits is heresy to the left wing radical fringe lunatics of the democratic party but if they simply come up for air occasionally prevent the few remaining brain cells from also dying of oxygen deficiency they might actually come to understand the concept of civilized society. Yes I know a long shot for those badly damaged folks but always a chance - hope springs eternal
So, there is no problem in calling a Obama a kneegar? Freedom of speach!
not for me there isn't, sometimes you got to call a spade a spade so to speak
Ever hear the parents' language at a parent/teacher conference? Same rule should apply to parents. Ever hear third-graders speaking with each other? Same rule should apply to students. Above all, this rule should apply to parents involved with their kids' sports teams.
Could these people actually get to work???? Guess not, dumb question. I taught for 27 years, never in my life did I beleive I could even get away with a"damn" much less anything else. This is dumb.
This is what Republican''s have time for. Not the real issues of the land but catching someone cursing. They don't even try to not act stupid anymore.
We know what cuss words are, but what is an inappropriate word. The f word is a cuss word in one form but can be an appropriate word to some in another usage sooo?????
Bubba: I find it impossible to believe that any person of some intelligence could ever imagine an appropriate use for the F word in a classroom environment. That you apparently do is indicative of you the person, your background, your parents and an indictment of your way of life and what ails this country.
How about banning school children from cursing. That would be a welcome change. Have you walked down the hall of a public school lately? So many children expressing their freedom of speech.
Please define what is grossly offensive, because the language coming out of my students' mouths is so bad that I don't understand half of it. They are allowed to talk that way to me without any discipline administered. I am told to suck it up, cause they are just "teens". At the very least apply the same rules to these delinquents so they can start learning that in the real world, that they are about to enter, there are real consequences.
So Washington state passing gay marriage is a huge waste of time and tax dollars but this isn't?? Good grief, I am fed up with the Democrats but with conservatives calling my best friend a abomination before God, trying to take away my birth control pills and passing crap like this, I really can't be anything but a independent. :\
Big difference Inadaze (Good Name!). Democrats make sure freedom and rights are protected and extend when they haven't been distrubed evenly. Republicans try to take freedom and rights away. Pure and simple fact.
Washington was restoring constitutionality, Arizona is violating it. There's your difference.
oh please the liberals are out in whine force today -what a bunch of self serving free loading hypocrites - no free handout so of course they are being persecuted - get a job, take responsibility for your meaningless worthless lives and admit your mistakesand failures in life - get off the GVT dole and get a life !!!
toasty: you have no idea what the Constitution does or doesn't say, you also have no concept of what your rights are under the constitution or the Bill of Rights. You think you know but you have no clue - everyone of those "Rights" have been modified by court decisions so you truly have no clue about this topic. you do understand you have the "Right" to actually research a topic before commenting - might help you sound less retarded.
Ternan, we get it. You're a right-wing neocon. You hate progressives. You think gays should be consigned to second-class status, and probably that women should have stayed in the kitchen. Enough. We get it. And for the record, Toasty sounds FAR less "retarded" than you. Not necessarily because I agree with her (his?) posts, but because they're straightforward and factual. You just rant.
Honestly, THIS comes across to you as intelligent, rational discourse?
What kills me about this latest bucket of weirdness to come out of Arizona is that Republicans are always the ones wailing about "big government," yet most times, when there's government intrusion (like this one), or vast new departments and programs set up to enforce new rules and regulations (TSA, Dept. of Homeland Security, anyone?), it's at the hands of... wait for it... Republicans.
So odd.
Then next will be public places and your home if someone visits or you are turned in by someone in your home.
This concerns you because ??? your incapable of communicating without profanity or perhaps you believe profanity makes you sound witty, profound, intelligent or is it an ego thing - you need to use profanity to "belong"
Amazing - how many have come to use profanity as simply one means of communication to anyone anywhere no consideration of age or gender. Its called a lack of manners, lack of a decent upbringing, a poor education and a lack of self respect for yourself and others you associate with.
You know, Ternan,
They're just words. I find it amazing that you think they're so dangerous that we must begin the procedures to outlaw them.
I agree pre-school and elementary teacher should not use foul language in the classroom. But to actually pass a law? Ridiculous.
Keep in mind, Hambone, that this politician is claiming she received the complaints from high school students about high school teachers. Can you really imagine a high school student running to a politician to complain about a teacher's language? I suspect this politician is making it up out of whole cloth.
I am embarrassed for this legislature. This is all they can work on. How about planning how Phoenix will get some water in the near future?
I guess you don't need water when you are creating hell.
Phoenix needs something called urban planning to limit population growth to live within the limits nature has defined. They need to get control of their illegal immigrant population and move those folks back to their country of origin to relieve the population pressure on the limited water supplies available
However the one thing Phoenix will never get is our Fresh Water from our Great Lakes in the Mid-West. No western state will ever see one drop of Great Lakes water pumped to them.
Kinda sad you have to legislate this. One would think cursing in front of children that aren't yours would be a no-no by common sense.
Yeah, it's funny that the teachers are supposed to be college educated professionals who are working with children and yet these folks can't refrain from swearing.
One would think that, but by sound of the posts on here......the problem with freedom of speech is there is to much of it going on!!
This is from that same Republican Party that yammers on and on about small government, get the government out of people's lives yada, yada, yada. Of all the problems facing Arizona's whacky legislature and it's equally dimwit governor, this is what they spend their time trying to legislate? Talk about a group that needs to be drug tested!
Time to get back on topic. So, it's not ok for teachers to use profanity in school, but it's fine if students use profanity as a free speech issue. What the hell is wrong with this?
I'm pretty sure that if a student tells a teacher "eff you", they're probably going to be punished in some way, shape or form.
Everyone such be held responsible for using inappropriate language! Teachers should be reprimanded first and then fired if the behavior continues. Student should be disciplined-expelled if necessary. If it takes a law to get people to act responsibly then that's what it takes. I don't know why people cuss anymore anyway... Those kind of words only carry weight if rarely used...if everybody is cussing-which seems to be the case these days, they just make you appear rude.
So we deny a student an education which could keep them from ending up in poverty because they were caught saying h3ll and d@mn? Nope, not buying it. In my mind that's throwing the baby out with the bath water. Better idea than expelling students for swearing, teach them to use Shakespearean slang! They sound classier, get a education and they learn new phrases.
And as for this politician claiming that high school students came to her and complained that their teachers were swearing, I don't buy that either. I don't know of any 17 year old that's going to say, "Oh my lily ears! My teacher swore and my only recourse is to complain to a politician." Yeah. Pardon me if I suspect that this woman may be breaking a commandment.
hoxie
bingo the whole problem with school is discipline. cant single out students for their actions because a teacher will always be wrong. you cant hurt a students self-esteem. they will teach multi culturlism but not manners. i feel for the teachers but you have to admit teachers should be educated enough to not swear , dont need to.
the point isn't that teachers shouldn't be "swearing" in front of kids. I've worked and volunteered in schools for years and never, NOT ONCE, heard a teacher swear in front of a child, even when sworn at by a kid! the real point is that this legislature and more and more gop politicians are coming up with anything they can do to discredit and attack teachers for the problems in education. have to find an easy scapegoat, don't you know! they don't use science or evidence from studies at all. they only care about perception. know what helps kids? actually funding the schools, tutoring programs, early intervention, preschool like head start, social programs like parenting classes for some (like teen parents), help with food stamps for those in need so that kids brains can actually work, etc. etc. NOT tests and more tests & attacking their teachers and demoralizing them and cutting funds from struggling inner city schools! but these are all programs that actually help are cut at the hands of the gop while they gabber on and on about improving education. they don't care about really improving public education. they don't care about any of us at all!
Are these the same "young impressionable" students who come up to me cursing like sailors and begging for a cigarette when I visit a campus (I am taking some teaching classes that require visits, not a perv)? These high school, middle school and even grade school kids are trying to bum smokes, curse like sailors and one girl offered more than a kiss one time.... I left that school in the middle of the clinical. And these idiots are afraid teachers are bad influences? Interesting.....but teachers should never use profanity in front of students (of any age) any more than the clerk at wally world or your waitress should use it in front af a customer... it's not professional.
Well !@#$. You $!@#ing mean $#@!ing teachers can't $#!ing curse in $#!ing classrooms any-$#!ing-more?
Foul mouthed morons who curse in public, like the slimeball entertainers, are utterly stupid they are as they are too ignorant to carry on a normal conversation.
Freedom of Speech. Don't like it? Move to a country that limits freedom.
This from the party that espouses, well claims to espouse less government? Lies is a four letter word and they tell them repeatedly to the point that they do not know the truth.
Nancy 14 - Wow! I didn't know that amateur porn paid $70 an hour. I'll be sure to check out that site right after I get finished sending my checking account info to some high up government officials in Nigeria who promised to deposit 2.4 million dollars into my account.
Well...when your freedom makes you appear less than intellangent maybe you need to re-think it! That's just it! Freedom of speech does not and should not give you the right to be disrespectable. People use freedom of speech rights as a crutch to justify their behavior. There fore you know what they need???? Less freedom of speech!!
Lisa,
Are you really preaching limits on free speech to keep people from being "disrespectable"? Who decides what is "disrespectable"? You? The government?
I don't like foul language in public, nor do I like it in a professional setting. But I'm not going to stop others from doing it. I'm not going to limit their freedoms to satisfy my idea of respectable. And neither should you.
They are just words. A collection of symbols and sounds. Get over it.