To a news article reporting on two deaths. Yippie. Cross it off your bucket list.

Great. Two people are shot, there is no information yet on what happened, who it was or why and all you can say is "first". I'll bet your family must be so proud.

Really wish more information would be provided rather than than a breaking news headline with little story.

Very little information. I assume more will be on the way?

You could always look up the local news network there. They tend to go into more detail. The only reason this is on the news is because it was in front of a federal building. You wont hear any more of this unless it was a politician that was shot.

It's so frustrating when criminals don't send out the scripts to there bad acting in advance . . . what kind of nonsense is demanding more details from breaking news . . ?

That's it!" ban guns from federal agents", we will have no more of this irresponsible behavior.

Hey there Patty, as you can see the info is now here. Wasn't asking for the killers life story, just the gist of the story.

Macho-gun-totting Americans love to shoot off their guns. Under the disguise of law and immigration enforcement, these macho can act out their ego-inflating fantasy, sometimes causing fatalies. Possession of weapons have become a universal badge signifying importance and power to these macho. The more powerful and numerous the weapons, the more they feel superior and authorative over their subjects. When the State covers them with a distinctive uniform, these macho are on over-drive.

The culmination of the rise in machoism in law enforcement and public hysteria over terrorism have created the Police State. Today, the Police State has armed themselves with helicopter gunships, armor vehicles, and combat troops not to deter petty theft, burglary, grand theft, rape, armed robbery or even murder but to exert control the masses by means of overwhelming military force.

Unfortunately, when macho runs into another macho, the confrontation is deadly as each is compelled to show the other who is the superior and dominate alfa-male.

If you're not armed, you're the first to go, Cat. Good Luck.

M.Cooper707,

Go back to the game forums where such immature stupidity is more tolerated.

WallStFatCat, you must be on some high stagger hit ‘cause your talkin’ is all slow and drawn out and such and you ain’t makin much sense. You forgettin’ to use some words there goodfoot, like you sayin’: “these macho can act out their ego-inflating fantasy”. These macho what? Macho is an adjective it describes something. You’re not using the word right; you talk like a fool pendejo. Do you even know how to speak Spanish?

The culmination of the rise in machoism? Really? Are you kidding? I think you are the new Emily Latella from SNL. I’m just waiting for you to say…..Never mind.

Maricon

These guys are supposed to protect America? Who will protect America from these guys?

They don't call it the wild west for nothing!

@cooper....bahahaha u got my vote. Government officals killing each other ehhh? Hopefully congress will start resorting to this. Not that i like seening people get killed but the government officals seem determined these days to try to turn this into a communist country and control every aspect of our lives.

the real problem is with the ever expansion of new law enforcement agencies, TSA, Homeland,ICE, NCIS,U.S. Marshall, Border ,.Federal building police; there is only so many good trained and available agents to fill the slots; therefore they lower the standards to fill the positions, as a result some unstable and not qualified are going to slip Thur the cracks, more body's does not always equate to more security!

Sally...I wasn't happy about seeing another "first" post, especially regarding an event so serious but did this really merit a suspension??? Thanks in advance...

Why on Earth would anyone want this job? The government that Hired you doesn't even want you to do your job... and when you DO.... the people you were asked to help 'exit' the country ... can turn right around and sue you or have you thrown in jail.

Think about that: The entity that Hired you ... won't even back you up when you do what they hired you to do.

Only a fool would work for INS.

Is the comment "first" supposed to mean the poster is the 1st to comment on the story? If so it's juvenile but against a code of honor? will have to go back and reread the codes I guess. I think there are other comments here that deserve to be collapsed, marked as no value etc..before poster 1's silly claim.

I think alot of people talk smack about law enforcement for various agencies anywhere from local, county, state and federal level. As in any line of work unfortunately you have the bad with the good. I would never want to work in law enforcement. Can't begin to imagine how hard and stressful it really is. These men and women see some of themost horrific things anyone could possibly imagine. They go out and arrest murders, rapist, pedophiles some of the worst scum there is only to often have these freaks either go free or get a minimal punishment and land back on the streets to keep offending becasue of laws that protect the criminal far more than the victim. I think that in this case we have no idea what set off this argument that ended in death and injury. This story has so little information that I just can't see the need for some of the asinine comments presented here. I'm sure there are more news stories on this to be found if one bothered to research it. Mr. Miller asks "why on earth would anyone want this job"? Thats a darn good question. Maybe some posters ought to check into law enforcement jobs since they seem to have all the answers and cam make judgement so easily from behind their anonymous safety of their computer.

Somebody didn't get their cut.

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Sounds like a little "conflict resolution" American style.

Not so much "American" as hot-headed gun-wielding idiot style. A majority of American's go not go toa gun to solve their problems.

Geowil -

have you seen our foreign policy this centrury? From a country where assissination is legitamized its no wonder America is way ahead when it comes to gun violence.

@tothetop:

Exactly what I was thinking. More and more people will be blaming our government for all our problems, and I feel that they will be taking out, or venting their anger, against government officials. Maybe if some wacko starts going after government officials, they will get the clue that the people of "AMERICA" want there country back.............wow it's getting creepy out there.

Sounds like another workplace shooting; Condolances to the victims and their families.

So its getting so bad now that even the Cops hate eachother lol! A customs and imigration OFFICE getting into a shoot out with each other. Soooo Unacceptable so this is where our taxes go to arm a bunch of morons?omg Down wih the Big Government up with our constitution!

My grand mother use to tell me; "put some ice on it...."

Why couldn't he have shot an IRS agent instead? They are housed in the same building.

Ok, now kids, from now on everyone has to check their gun at the front door. And no more shooting someone because you don't like what they said.

Someone Pissed at another Government official?

No. Someone pissed at their boss.

We have two shot - one of whom died and another in serious condition and you guys have to joke? No wonder this happens so much. Buffoons!

Got that right sanity. Where is the humor in this? How disgusting and juvenile alleged adults can be. How about some of you smartasses think about the sons and daughters of the dead and injured officers reading your twisted, nasty comments?????????? Way to go Americans you are a big part of what the problems in this country are. BE REAL PROUD!

Do you have a link???

ICE agent shot other ICE agents? Heroes shooting heroes in the hero building is uncool. Who will protect us now? Unfortunate.

Found this live video link but it's telling very little.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/live-video-2/

"heavily secured building"....proof it was just employees involved then..those with weapons to make it a heavily secured building! LA LA LAND.

DOU44, I'm 100% sure one of those three was not a hero!

I"ll specualte the criminal is the one who survived.

Drugs, money or a woman (or all three) - there are your three choices for the reason two agents are dead.

Most likely it involved with affair, corruption, and money!

Keep your speculations to yourself...some ppl are really inconsiderate!!!

I'm putting my bets on Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll

I was correct..send my prize to 1600 Pennsylvania ave Washington DC.

Chit... no prize for me..media messed up as always only one dead one almost dead.

Low threshold for heroism if your heroes are ICE agents. Condolences to the families.

Someone didn't get the performance review they expected.

" goodness ... what is happening to this country(world)"

we are going down the tubes!

Unknown,

We are going down the tubes faster than we can comprehend.

Is there any place left on this planet that is peaceful?

Antartica. No shootings reported by polar bears in years

Joe,

Even for purposes of research, if there are people living on Antarctica - there is violence!

The biggest threat to the polar bears is guns - guns in the hands of people.

How remiss of us to forget the threat of climate change...brought on by greed.

Even in the hands of the so-called 'responsible' ones...

@25Walker:

Canada :)

To Joe F Las Vegas: Your world is upside down. Polar bears are in the Arctic and penguins live in the Antarctic. And yes, I've been to both regions. There it is too cold and ice packed (pun intended) to fight over anything.

There are no polar bears in Antarctica, they live in the Arctic (North)

dudogger, When ever was the federal government "responsible"? Get a clue!

Really, you mean California had a shooting .... with all of their anti-gun laws, anti- assault rifle laws, the unwilling to issue concealed carry permits -- they had a shooting? Looks like all law-abiding citizens in that state are going to feel a tighter grip after this one.

REPLY: Always amusing to watch a person attempt to make pro-gun ownership statements by using belittlement, sarcasm, and the awful aftermath of gun violence as if they are actually supportive arguments for their pro-gun point!

Especially amusing when the only individuals involved in the gun violence were all in law enforcement.

Nice try, I don't take that away from you. But for the life of me I can't get my arms around what your point could possibly be; except just 'chatter'?

You might try using logic, since sarcasm really doesn't really cut it for cogent arguements and clarity.

Sounds to me like nobody can handle carrying a gun. Even trained professionals shooting each other. You're right Nate from Porthole, it's time to ban them all.

It must be spillover from "operation fast and furious"

ICE agents open/conceal carry it was an Ice agent shooting another ICE agent....has nothing to do with gun laws.

@rogger

or maybe people were meant to die this way? who are you to judge?

(You do realize then when I posted that, they had one sentence in the news article. There was no indication on who was shot, expect it was in a federal building.

My original post is totally off topic for this news article now that we have the full information on the shooting. Next time I will use my better judgment, to hold judgement, until a news article as more than one sentence. )

Now that more information has been put up, we NOW know that it was LEO on LEO. This is just more proof that even LEO can lack judgement. California treats gun owners as criminals, I lived in California for 25 yeas and after moving out of that state it is very hard not to be sarcastic when it comes to that state.

When I lived in California, we are forced to put our lives in the hands of law enforcement. Concealed carry issue is near impossible unless you are a state or federal civil servant or your job demands such. Even if you try to argue that you that you want to protect your life and liberty in the absents of a LEO, its not a valid argument.

My original point was that California has restrictive firearm ownership rights. They say its to make California safer, California became really restrictive right after the bank shoot out where suspects had AK-47's with 100 round drum magazines, armor piercing bullets and body armor. LAPD came out with .38's & 12guage shotguns in response; they had to apprehend assault rifles from local firearms retailers to get the right kind of fire power.

We know that restricting law abiding citizens gun rights only hurts people who abide by the law.

Its much safer in Nevada or Arizona where the open carry laws allowed citizens to stop a crazed gunman from shooting up a diner or attacking a congresswoman in the last year ... oh wait

You do realize then when I posted that, they had one sentence in the news article. There was no indication on who was shot, expect it was in a federal building.

That's the price you pay when attempting to be a smartass.

Kudos for owning up to it though.

I remember as a kid, my Dad's rules at work changed, so he could carry a firearm. He worked as a officer at the Midtown tunnel in NY. His uniform also changed from gray to the same color as NYPD. I thought it was cool. My father was wiser and knew the new rules actually put him in danger. As part of his job he had to carry money from the tolls. But unlike a police officer going into a situation he was more likely to be in a situation where someone would have the drop on him. Now that he was carrying, it made it more likely that the person who had any idea to rob him would either get his gun or shoot first. My father was wise enough to know carrying a gun would not give him a false sense of security, because anyone out to do no good would be acting with the knowledge that he was armed. So carrying a gun did not protect him but put him in more danger. I grew up shooting guns, am a former member of the NRA. We need to use common sense and acknowledge gun laws make sense, and not believe the propaganda the NRA puts out that any limits on gun ownership is the first step in eliminating guns. That's like me believing if I go on a diet to loose a few extra pounds its a trick to starve me to death, nonsense.

Nate,

The irony of this story is that the people involved in the shooting were officials that were legally licensed to carry guns. They were not ordinary citizens asking to "pack."

What makes you think they weren't right wing trailer trash?

You think ICE agents live in the big house on the hill and graduated from Harvard?

Excellent post Tom. It seems the 2nd Amendment folks overlook the "well regulated" part of the 2nd.

The magic 8 ball tells me he was banging the shooters wife/girlfriend. That is all.

FC, CO Heaven

What's nonsense is Tom's idea that carrying a gun puts you in more danger. Why don't you look up the history of the 2nd amendment and the history that influenced the states and understand why they insisted upon including it before they would ratify the constitution. If you do your some research you will learn what "a well regulated militia" means and you will not throw it out there as a justification for arbitrary gun laws. Bottom line, an armed citizenry and the states' rights to militias (organized and unorganized as defined by law) is a necessity to self defense and freedom, both personally and as a society.

Well, don't that 'look up history' and 'do your some research' (sic) blather sound about as vapidly wingnutty as it gets, eh?

John...Safer in Nevada...So long as you don't eat at IHOP I guess....

"ICE agents open/conceal carry it was an Ice agent shooting another ICE agent....has nothing to do with gun laws."

Maybe that's part of the issue, we're told by gun control advocates that only "trained professionals" should be carrying or have larger firearms. Yet this and many other cases indicate that the "trained professionals" aren't all that more "professional" than your average person.

No dudogger historical accuracy is not nutty. I think your mockery of historical reference makes you look unreasonable and in actuality the one who is nutty.

NevadanByChoice

What makes you think they weren't right wing trailer trash?

You think ICE agents live in the big house on the hill and graduated from Harvard?

NavadanByChoice,

How dense and intellectually deficient your comment is.

It does not matter from where these Immigration and Custom Enforcement officials were from.

They were trained, legally licensed officials that were imbued with significant authority.

The fact that they were employed in this capacity is supposed to mean that they are psychologically and physically qualified to properly perform their duties!

...your comment is a case of "lame brain."

Joe125 Go back and reread Tom's post. A 5th grader ought to be able to understand his point. Why can't you?

25Walker-you are right they are tested and trained. However they're still fallible human beings and nobody really knows who can or will and when they'll have mental issues that lead to this kind of tragedy.

In big cites like LA I'd imagine the largest population of gun owners are the "gangs". BAnning non-criminals from carrying weapons won't stop that. However, if the non-criminals don't have weapons when the criminals break in they won't be shot or killed with their own weapon as often happens. Guess it ought to be a personal choice.

skrewdworld-

I understood what he was trying to say, that guns give you a false sense of security, but it makes no sense and he is as full of crap as you. Only a 5th grader would be naive enough to believe that a cop is safer without their gun. I'm sure every robber is thinking, "Hmm, that guy has a gun. This robbery should be cake. I will easily get the drop on this guy and maybe even steal his gun and shoot him. There is no way I will get shot in the process." Yeah, guns don't have any deterring affect at all huh?

Congrats, but that will probably 5 or 6 times before you retire for the night. Those news chopper pilots have the best job security in LA County.

Talk about your irrelevant statement...

Point being... ?

Amen brother! They've wore that story line flat out.

Who's Whitney Houston?

whitney houston was a talented singer who became a drug addict and destroyed her life yet somehow managed to get gov. christie to lower flags to half mast to honor this, even though he would not do the same courtesy for the 144 military men from new jersey who died in combat honorably. Go figure??

Oh, spare me. Quit letting what the 6oclock news runs lead you to false conclusions. Violent crime is down nationwide, and has been for years.

More people equals more crime total. Maybe not more crime per capita. But more crime total. Either way, don't have kids.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. I just read an article that stated prices on everything keep going up faster than ever b/c of overpopulation. Supply can't meet the demand, yet people keep breeding like this is Paradise.

YOU are right more crime but more people number game that is played

Gene - Law enforcement hasn't shut down; it's just stretched really, really thin due to economic pressures and an expanding population and area to cover. Now, more than any time in the recent past gun ownership is something for the average household to strongly consider. Through no fault of their own, the police are minutes away when seconds count. I will add that when you decide to pick up a gun in your own defense you need to do your due diligence. That means range time, many rounds fired through your weapons of choice, a concealed carry permit (if you can get one) and a good working knowledge of when and if deadly force is legal. We need to be able to look after ourselves; the bad guys are certainly doing the same.

@Mike - what are you so scared of? All the other citizens with guns? Is that what you call liberty and freedom - constantly worrying about getting killed? When Europeans or Australians get into an argument they don't get shot. Why? Cos they don't own or need a gun. Nor do you. It's more likely to get you killed than not having one.

Ban handguns.

Takenaka, how about we do this: no one will compel you to own a hand gun, and you will allow others to make a decision on whether or not to purchase a hand gun for themselves without any harassment from you. This way we don't force you to live by our moral values, and we're not forced to live by yours. Sound fair?

Gunless, he isn't worried about other citizens with guns but criminals with guns. You know, they will have guns even if you take them from the honest citizen. Many of us live far from any law enforcement. We are not scared, we are prepared. We buy generators and extra food to have on hand in the event of a bad storm or other unforeseen event. We are not scared, we are prepared. I have guns but rarely have one on my person. I can't imagine shooting someone with a gun but hope that I would be able to do so if I or another person ever have the need. If you feel no need for a gun then don't get one. It's really very simple.

Having a powerful gun at hand sure makes it all easier to resolve things than having a simple fistfight, eh?

Right.

"There ain't nuthin' more peaceful than a dead troublemaker."

Uh.....One-Eye, those three regulations plus a whole lot more are already parts of states laws, as well as federal law.

So my question to you is: Whats you point?

If what we're hearing is correct, this was a licensed federal agent. Gun control policy has nothing to do with this. I really wish people wouldn't bend over backwards to drag that argument into situations where it doesn't belong.

sugarba --- People that ilk still believe cars drive drunk, pencils misspell and a spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat. They don't want to hold individuals responsible for their actions. Easier to blame a mechanical object.

Number three is the one I have a little issue with. However One and two would probably get a lot of support from both sides of the aisle.

Glad you don't make the rules about gun control. Stay the h#ll out my 2nd Amendment Rights. Since it was apparently cops shooting each other, what does that have to do with gun control, anyway?

navyvet98

Number three is the one I have a little issue with. However One and two would probably get a lot of support from both sides of the aisle.

Not from anyone I know!

@navyvet98 & One Eyed Undertaker--- Have no problems with #1 and #2 either, but #3 is a dog that won't hunt. As long a thugs are still breaking into homes, stores and cars they're going to have guns. Rules and laws mean nothing to them.

One eye - I object to all of your suggestions because none of them will reduce crime and could have the opposite effect. Don't bother to pass laws that you can't enforce. These men were all ICE agents.

These were your beloved feds whacking each other. Don't you think they were vetted and licensed?

Mr. One-Eye, I do respect your opinion and your moniker would almost fit me quite well, except the undertaker part. I'm not a gun nut, but I do believe we have a right to be able to defend ourselves on a personal level. I live in the country and if I needed the cops, I could be dead by the time they get here. So, I will defend my right to own a gun, a sword, or any other weapon I could use against an intruder. You can consider our rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights a sham all you want to. I believe sincerely in those two documents and so should all Americans.

Because a well regulated militia is necessary to protect our country, the citizens of our country have the right to bear arms, so that if need be, a militia can be formed that has the ability to defend the citizens of our country. I like how people think you need to form a militia in order to own a weapon. That is just ridiculous.

One-Eyed Undertaker

We have a third world murder rate because we now have a third world population.

No problem with your train of thought other that the CRIMINALS still won't register their illegially obtained guns. That's a FACT !

@ One eye

In some states with the right license, you can go buy a bazooka or grenades. I do know a guy who buys and collects old tanks. He's up to six tanks now...The cannons are dismantled but he knows how to put them back together and does have the resources and materials to do so.

We're not as limited on weapons as you think.

As for the nuclear bombs...that particular weapon is indeed illegal build. Even if you do manage to get a hold on the materials, you'll probably kill yourself if you're not a professional.

I wouldn't know about destroyers...never really thought about that one. lol

As I've posted before, the NRA and the gun owning public have good basis for not giving an inch on this question. Any time the gun ban groups, political and otherwise, get even a hint that a new law, reasonable or not, might be considered they stridently demand a great deal more. There is no give and take on this issue; it is scorched earth all the way. There is even more distrust now with Obama trying to do through UN mandate what he can't do through legislation in the US. I'm sure that if the political climate were different that solutions that wouldn't give everybody everything but gave everyone something could be arrived at. When you launch these anti-gun diatribes think about that. You only dig the gap deeper.

One Eye,

What makes you think citizens cannot own those things? You might want to take a look at the private security (mercenary) corporations that we had in the field in Iraq & Afghanistan. They had all manner of heavy weapons capabilities. Just because the vast majority of citizens cannot afford to buy and/or maintain such weaponry it doesn't mean it isn't possible. At present there are several corporate armies here in the US. Hell, years ago someone even offered to sell me some live, old, pineapple style hand grenades that his grand-pappy brought home from either WW II or Korea (I declined) You'd be amazed at what is floating around out there or what some old soldier or marine has liberated and tucked away "just in case". Lets also not forget the privateers our nation employed back in the day and which carried cannon used to capture enemy shipping. And lastly, anyone with a metal working shop and the right materials can make themselves just about any personal weapon you can think of if they have blueprints or a working model etc...

Your argument sounded rather naive but it did make its point when you mentioned nuclear weapons. But then again, nukes are an entirely different class of weaponry than anything imagined by our founders.

Sean,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but every able bodied male in the country between the ages of 17 and 56 ARE part of the militia. whether their state has one organized or not. They are the people who would be its core if it was formally organized. Plus, citizens may form their own militias if they so please or see a need. It is this fact that allowed some of the nut job haters to form their own groups and label themselves as a "militia", thus slurring REAL militias and putting them in a bad light undeservedly.

*really* Merlin. Show me where in the Constitution does it define militia as "every able bodied male in the country between the ages of 17 and 56". Show me the law passed that defines militia as "every able bodied male in the country between the ages of 17 and 56". Show me the Constitutional Amendment that defines militia.

Those may have been the norms in the Wild, Wild, West, but that also ignores the fact that many of those folks were veterans of the Civil War.

Oh, and thanks for proving yourself as as a fine up-standing member of the 19th Century by ignoring half of the country's population.

I don't know if he intentionally ignored women FC, CO- however it is a well known fact that as soon as a male turns 18, they are required by law to fill out Selective Service paperwork, while women are not. Perhaps that might be to what he is speaking. idk.

"Better trained than you?" "If these guys are a risk with their firearms?"

I cannot believe you used both of those statements in the same paragraph. Not only are you way off the mark, you have absolutely NO concept about whom is really in denial here...

Great point Deen. Kind of makes me wonder how many non gun owners and anti gun people killed someone today.

And to Sean-336944... you havent got a clue... take your sissy azz somewhere else!

so funny. This story is real confusing. Agents and officers??? Who da what da ??????

No. One dead, one wounded. The dead man is the aggressor who was shot by a third ICE agent who was not wounded.

The 2nd Amendment is the best we have ever had. It keeps the Liberals jumping up and down. Kudos for the 2nd Amendment

It wasn't that long ago when our politicians actually acted like us. They lived in our communities, shopped at our stores, ate in our restaurants and diners. It's been probably 10 years or more since I seen my Representative to Congress, even though he only lives a few minutes away.