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Subscribe to RSSCLEVELAND -- Police say a 19-year-old mom and her 1-year-old daughter were found shot to death in a Cleveland garage next to the body of the woman's estranged boyfriend, who was suspected of kidnapping them.
Cleveland police Sgt. Sammy Morris said the three were found with gunshot wounds before 3 a.m. Sunday in a closed garage at an unoccupied building. He said it appeared the man, Thomas Lorde, 35, had shot himself in the head.
Lorde had abducted Latasha Jackson and her daughter, Chaniya Wynn, around noon Saturday as the mother walked with her 14-year-old brother and pushed the little girl in a brown and pink stroller, according to a police report.
The teen said Lorde pulled a gun and ordered him to walk away, saying he was going to kill Jackson and take the child, the report says.
Police said the couple had dated for about two months and that Jackson was trying to end the relationship.
An Amber Alert issued on behalf of Jackson described Lorde as a violent sexual predator with outstanding felony warrants in New York.
According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Lorde had been convicted of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl in 1996.
Red roses, wrapped in cellophane, leaned against the garage where police discovered the bodies, the Plain Dealer reported. On the side of the garage, spray-painted messages read: "Rest in Peace Latasha and Chaniya" and "We Love U 2012".
Telephone messages placed by msnbc.com seeking comment with family members of Jackson were not immediately returned.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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An Amber Alert issued on behalf of Jackson described Lorde as a violent sexual predator with outstanding felony warrants in New York.
and he was out walking the streets why?
Because he's a victim, and if we impede his freedom and civil rights to protect society we are in the wrong!
But seriously, yeah, that's an excellent question.
petemt,
Unfortuantely it is called the CRIMINAL justice system and not the VICTUM justice system.
Why was he out walking the streets? Well it could be due to the Supreme Courts' infinite wisdom whereby you can't overcrowd our prisons or our failure to understand that sex offenders need constant supervision. But those suggestions are probably unconstitutional or at the very least politically incorrect.
He had to be released to make room for potheads; gotta keep the more serious offenders like dope smokers in jail!
Well Leroy Brown - want to end the over crowding in prison then suppose you and the rest of your loser potheads quit violating the laws and do something constructive with your miserable lives so we can jail all the sex perverts - most of whom or on drugs also
I was terribly afraid it would end this way when I heard about it. Cowardly scumbag. Poor little baby and her mother. I'm also confused because the initial reports said that this man was the child's father but now I don't see anything about it. So did this psychopath kill his own child or not?
Scairp,
It says in the article that this murderer was only going out with Latasha for 2 months, so it is impossible for this scumbag to be the sperm donor! He can not be called a father or a dad because both of those would describe someone who had a heart! So sad that these young girls don't use common sense when they are dating! If the guy you are interested in has a history of violence or a long criminal history...stay the heck away from him!
Um did everyone here miss that part where they said he assaulted a 14 yr old girl in 1996??? that was 16 years ago! It's not that much of a stretch to say he had served his time already and that is why he was roaming free. And the community where he lived probably also was informed that they had a sex offender in the neighborhood. They said the bodies were found in an unoccupied building. Other than his parole officer asking him if he is around children at all in his day to day activities, there isn't much else the gov't can do. 24/7 surveillance on every single convicted sex offender isn't going to happen, ever.
What kind of sub-human filth can put a bullet into anyone, but especially a defenseless, innocent baby?
An armed one.
Ban handguns.
An American one.
someone who has questionable morals and is probably crazy as well, if there weren't guns he would have used another weapon now come up with a better/smarter comment that's actually relevant, also this crap doesn't just happen in America but it is reported more often due to our systems keeping better track. the dude should have simply taken himself out instead of involving others. also guns only cause trouble when in the hands of an idiot, criminal, or someone who is not mentally capable of sane thought. PS. ban stupidity!
Well, I know I'll be collapsed for this but here goes anyway. The right wing GNOP nuts should be happy about this story. Here we have a felon done away with without a cost to taxpayers and a possible "welfare queen" that won't receive any taxpayers money. To them a win win situation I guess.
To the Jackson family you have my deepest condolences for the lost of your daughter and grandchild. May they rest in peace.
Well larry perhaps if you and your left wing liberal radicals quit coddling the criminals and freeing them in your misguided and insane efforts to liberate every criminal no matter the crime with every pretense under the sun then perhaps this animal would never have been in a position to murder this child. Then again that would violate one of the tenets of liberal philosophy no one is ever responsible for their own actions.
Ternan
Do you mean like those murderous , convicted felons that the Republican governor Barbour pardoned?
Are you kidding? I think you've hit the nail on the head. They all but say it all the time. I have another example, that of the mother of a missing child, little Ayla Reynolds from Maine. Her mother is consistently the target of such cruel vitriol that I lose faith in humanity. Under the circumstances I should think that attacking the mother of a missing baby who is not even suspected in the crime would be off limits to even the most heartless Tea Bagger but apparently I was wrong.
Somehow, you manage to twist this story into something about plitics. There's always one person who does that on every post.
Wow
Double wow. This is a horrible tragedy. The sermon today was about why God lets bad things happen and how to deal with it. Did not take long to find one more to wonder about. Larry, everybody knows the far right has a lot of ass holes but I think you are reaching a little bit.
Maybe I'm am overreaching it a bit but no more than the right wing nuts that typecast every person on welfare as lazy shiftless bums sucking up taxpayers money.
We typecast them as unemployed, leaches on the tax system that expect the American taxpayer to support them with our hard earned tax dollars because we suddenly have become responsible for every miserable mistake and misstep you ever made in your life. Happy now Larry ? Let me guess your one of the career members of the welfare system.
Wow stonepipe that @!$%#ing sermon must have tickled you right down to your toes.
He should have killed himself and not the mom and baby! WTF is wrong with people?.!
If they only dated for 2 months I take it he wasn't the father.. WTF? No wonder why she wanted to get away from the psycho..
How tragic is this story. Why kill the mother and the baby, especially, kill yourself.
More food stamps for the rest of the people who are just like them.
Well from a liberal democratic stance - this simply frees up more food stamps for the rest of obama's supporters
Larry2260635; Have a heart, dude!! Why make this a hate the Republicans issue, when the REAL ISSUE is a 19 year old young lady and her 1 year old baby were kidnapped and murdered by a violent sex offender that should have never been allowed to see the light of day, much less walk the streets. Blame the judicial system for letting that perverted bastard go free in the first place!!!
Read the post above and you will see Larry has a point. Read the post below and you will see Larry has a point.
save some blame for the mother that placed herself and the baby in jepardy by dating a sexual pervert - the justice system works just the way the liberal demonuts want it to work - a sexual predator was walking the street because of liberal judges that do not want to unduly inconvenience the criminals - it might actually hinder their future crime sprees
Ternan
Do you mean like those murderous , convicted felons that the Republican governor Barbour pardoned?
Starbuck: I would have assumed you and the rest of your "enlighten" liberal lunatic fringe cohorts would have understood the significance of the Governor's act of mercy - giving these poor, misunderstood, victim of their surroundings people a second or in some cases a fourth chance. After all is it not one of the tenets of the liberal philosophy that no person is ever responsible for their actions. You certainly do have the ACLU standing up for the Governor and his decision - oh lets not forget the ACLU is one of the linchpins of the democratic party.
Does that answer your question Starbuck????
Latasha, Chaniya .. black ??
Possibly......but so what? What if they were?
Your point being?
Navyvet98 said it best....He was out walking the streets why???
human
Probably not as there was no derivative of hussein or obama in the name.
Sad,so sad.Well ,we certainly would'nt want to promulgate any notion that we've as a society strayed too far from our [gasp] Christian roots.To you Larry,that means all of us who handle snakes,speak in tongues,hate gays,and love our pederast priests.
These stories will slow way down the day America gets serious about dealing with convicted criminals.
I worked for the Dept of Corrections for 7 years and got to know criminal scumbags real well. The only ones you don't have to worry about are the ones that are doing life without parole.
All others, beware. They will be back to further their criminal career as soon as they are released. Bet on that.
The front gate is just a revolving door for inmates.
Felony convictions are a Life sentence. Guess law breakers feel if the shoe fits you might as well wear it. I'm not soft on crime but Locking someone up for an extremely long period is cruel and unjust. Execution is the best for everyone and should be an option to any sane prisoner.
Those pot smokers will start again as soon as they are released. Throw away the key.
Unknown1: I agree career violent criminals should simply be executed rather than wasting taxpayer dollars by prolonging a worthless life - also free's up room for all the potheads in prison until they meet the requirements to be labeled career criminal then we just make ever repeat offense 25 years
I attended college in Tulsa, TU, and it seemed to me OK had a lot of scumbags on crank or crankster gangsters not to mention a lot of thieves from every walk of life. If I remember correctly OK is one of the far right Bible states with the likes of Imhoff who is tough on crime. I remember a Sheriff in McIntosh County going to federal prison over a protection racket he had going on.
Instead of the pot dealers in prison for life, or the three strike felons convicted for the same, we need to put these violent people in prison. If we have to prioritize who gets in because of overcrowding, then we need to insist that the non-violent criminals have some other form of punishment. How about 100,000 hours of community service, a special work-force set up just for them in order to repay society for their crimes. Then we can put the really violent pricks behind bars for life, and let them kill each other off inside prison.
Easier and cheaper and more effective to simply execute all violent criminals for their first offense, mandatory 25 sentence for first drug offense and mandatory life sentence for second offense for both users and dealers. Any crime involving a person on drugs is automatically 25 years
WOW! I hope you are pumping out sarcasm or being nefarious Ternan. I have a feeling you aren't so I am thankful there are not a lot like you.
.......and they pried the gun from his cold dead hands.......(accurate NRA Member....or not?)
Not just a pedophile. so everybody that owns a gun is a member of the nra? hardly there are only 4 million members in the nra, and around 300,000,000 americans.
and over 90,000,000 weapon owners in the US
exactly and he wasn't supposed to have a gun anyways which means your point is moot, i practically have my own armory but i don't belong to the NRA either. the problem is the dude was deranged/crazy and he would have killed them one way or another.
Still accurate........(NRA member is a poster on newsvine)
Sad about the girl and her kid. but this is just another of the same ole, same ole, thats the way it is now.
So lorde was a violent 35 year old pedophile. So exactly what is he doing messing with an 18 year old girl? If lorde was convicted of attacking a 14 year old, exactly why is he outa jail? He was charged in new york and was currently in cleveland. And for years the liberals have been down on putting people in jail as it violates their civil rights but having a gun is dangerous.. A long number of years ago he would not seen the light of day, not to mention probably would have not made it to the jail. and i have no problem with that. that girl and her kid would still be alive.
And of course then he had a (OH, NO!) GUN, The problem in this country is not gun ownership as the left would like you to believe, its idiots who should not be walking the street. period. If lorde had not had a gun, he would have cut her with a knife, if he did not have a knife he would have strangled her, or hit her with a rock.
And just to make things even out there, there are just as many azzholes on the left. Free health care, yeah right.
And as far as the question, why does God allow this to happen? Well if you dont believe in God, thats fine, so then why does the State allow this to happen? Both have laws against killing your fellow human being. However with both we have requirements to obey the law, religious or state as the case may be. Depending on if you whether you believe in God or are an athiest, we still have requirements, however, with the latest freedom slinging, that everything is free and we can do as we please there is no requirement that people should obey whichever law strikes your fancy. And do me a favor and dont barf at me about God. answer a question, please. Which church did lordes attend on a regular basis. was he a deacon or an elder? How about powell? Get off the anti God kick. ok you dont believe. i am ok with that. so do you have to keep bringing up how bad it is to be religious. yeah i know. But if you add up all those killed in waco (religious nut agreed) and oklahoma city(far right militant non religious agreed) they dont even come close to all those killed for other reasons.
And again, the country is falling apart at the seams. there just seems to be no morals in this country and it is only going to get worse. the second great depression is just around the corner. Or would you please tell me where all the servicemen are going to find jobs, when the military downsizes? China?
A lack of responsiblity on the part of people is the problem. So when are the pedophiles going to be allowed their civil rights?
there are far worse things coming to this country. I have read massive amounts of the separation of church and state. Well here comes another religion and this is only one of many of this.
A Palestinian mother waited for her 16-year-old daughter to go to bed, tied a rope around her neck and strangled her to death. The woman murdered her own daughter after neighbours lied to her that the girl had an affair with their son.
The crime, which moved local residents, had remained underground for a while before it was revealed by police and a Palestinian female activist, who described it as “one of the most heinous criminal acts” in Palestine.
The crime took place in Bait Oula, a tiny hamlet outside the West Bank town of Hebron and it was publicized several weeks after it was perpetrated by the mother.
Residents, who spoke to the Palestinian Arabic language daily Donia Al Watan, said the mother had already been cruel to her daughter as she used to force her to do all household work because she does not like female offspring.
It was this cruelty that made her rush and murder the girl without bothering to check if what neighbours said about her daughter was true.
“Just go and see your daughter’s pictures on my son’s mobile phone,” the neighbouring woman told the mother after an argument, according to the paper.
“The mother then started her plan to kill her daughter…residents said she had made her daughter clean the house for two days so the family will be prepared to receive would-be mourners on their daughter’s death.”
After the murder, the family left the girl in her bed all the night. In the morning, they went straight to hospital and said their daughter had died of heart attack.
“But doctors noticed the swelling in her neck and that her body was bluish….they informed the authorities, who later wrested a confession about the murder…the mother said she killed her to wash off shame and clean the family’s honour….a day later, hospital tests showed the girl was still virgin and pure….it was a hasty crime of honour, which has never been marred or even touched.”
We live in a sick world.
Gals!!!! Research that Dude's background. Single Moms with kids in a single group. Beware, these creatures with records dwell on the weak looking for love. Protect yourself and your children. It's free checking a police record on someone. It's simple checking a story out, with a little common sense.
Why are so many women so DESPERATE to have a "man" in their lives?
What is wrong with so many women? Why are they so insecure?
Lads, do the same. Know who you are dating. There are a lot of dangerous people out there, both men and women.
Why are so many, if not all, women so INSECURE and DESPERATE that they feel that they need a "man" in their pathetic lives?
Get a job; quit popping out babies; get an education; etc. and you'll attract a better quality of a man--if you want one.
Excellent comment MTR
MTR and Ternan must hate women to make comments of how all women are insecure.. She was with this loser for two months and was trying to get away but apparently that doesn't fit in with your agenda of ranting on women..
Cant have too much common sense now can ya because then your comments wouldn't get collapsed..
Anyone know if she ever worked, or was she on welfare? Did she graduate high-school?
I would just like to know....
Lets see, she was 19, unwed mother of at least 1 child, dates perverts and criminals - yea she was on welfare and probably every other social programs she could lay hands on - beats working
GUYS: Beware of those young, lazy, uneducated girls who only want a baby and could care less about you.
The second that they get that baby and on the welfare-4-life gravy train, they will want you out of the picture, except of course, for that child support check.
Keep it in your pants and get an education and marry an educated woman, not some baby-hatchery, welfare queen.
Beware of trolls that support Larry's statement. Ban handguns and mtr89123-2020.
ban people who try to remove our god given rights and shove their ideals down our throats.
mtr - have you had a bad experience with women? Sounds like you have quite a background on this subject of insecure women.
I hope things get better for you.
takenaka--
MTR and his side kick Ternan are women haters and go straight for politics.. Two trolls who are probably the same person.. I just run threw and hit the exclamation point and collapse/mute them so i don't have to see their lunatic ranting and raving.
I like reading other peoples opinions even if it's opposite of mine or facts they might have.. However I don't want to see politics bashing or gender bashing because it fits the persons feel better about themselves agenda..
This is horrible!, why can't people just kill themselves instead of taking innocent people with them. He was a major pos on the lowest level. Why was the scumbag allowed to roam the streets.
Everytime I see an article having to do with a gun, I get annoyed because it brings out all these anti-gun yappers. You all have no idea how ridiculous you sound do you?. Anytime someone kills someone with a gun, whether it be an upper class person or someone in a gang, automatically it's the NRA's fault, and every gun owner should feel guilty for it. I own alot of knives.... should I feel guilty because somebody is stabbed to death ( Which happens ALL the time in this world )? I own a car... should I feel guilty because somebody kills someone drinking an driving?.
Let me ask you a question, one I can never get a straight forward answer to. You are sleeping in your bed, it's late at night, your kids are fast asleep in their bedrooms and all of a sudden you hear what sounds like someone busting into your house, now anybody in their right mind would treat it as someone whos sole purpose is to harm them or their family, you probly won't have time to call police because you'll be ( or I would hope ) should be worried about getting to your kids, but even if you do call the police, they can't wiggle their nose and show up in the blink of an eye.. You are against guns because they hurt so many people, you can only assume the bad guy has a weapon and is threatening to hurt, even kill your family.. what do you do? How do you protect your family? Your family depends on you to protect them.. what do you do?.
One more scenario... You are out walking the streets and minding your business having a good day, when out of the blue someone comes up and knocks you to the ground they have a knife and are tring to rob you, he stabbs you because you are fighting back, when a man/woman passing by happens to be carrying a concealed firearm... they pull out their gun and shoot the person who is stabbing you, are you going to tell that someone they shouldn't have done that because guns are terrible and people are killed by them everyday?.
The thing is... this scenario has happened before a lady working in a kitchen at a resturant, her ex husband came up there with a gun with the intentions of murdering her, he shot her once and she was fighting with him on the ground all while he was trying to get the gun to her head, when someone comes running up to the window and pulls out there concealed hand gun and shoots the man in the torso ultimately killing him before he could have her. Was he wrong for doing this?
" Laws Can't Control The Lawless "
" To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding. "
Perhaps the government bailout should have gone to the prison system instead of the still worthless banks. Then perhaps this mother and baby would still be alive.
The banks will eventually pull the country out of the obama recession inspite of his best efforts to destroy the economy. Bailout money for prisons makes little sense - no return on investment - we don't need more prisons we just need to begin executing all the violent criminal in them - frees up lots of room
obama recession?
Was Obama in office at the beginning of 2008? That's when the recession started and TAR{ was passed out .
TARP
Ah but a democratic controlled senate and house were in office from 2006 - 2010, and obama was part of that misguided, corrupt, Democratic led senate in 2006-2008 - and then lord knows how but as President - obama then not only continued the destruction of the US economy but actually accelerated the collapse with his democratic cohorts?????
Obviously your not a student of history or politics Starbukc or perhaps you just have a conveniently short memory
Everything the dems brought up, Bush vetoed it
We have sytematically wrecked this country and it shows.Thousands of years of people and culture[some 10 or so] and in the last 300 + it reaches its' apex in the good old usa.Maybe we've evolved to where we don't need religion.It's been said it's the opiate of the masses.Well if you have unemployment,unintelligence,poor upbringing,poor self control and so on,it doesn't hurt to have a little fear does it? belief in a greater being,a greater good,a conscience?Of course our country is going to the dogs.The "fabric' of our nation can take some damage,but when everyone is pulling on their own thread it comes apart.Perhaps that is clumsy but it is succinct.Other cultures are resilient because they have a cohesive people,we don't so at this point our greatest strength,diversity,is now a weakness.We need to hear the voice of the one legged,transexual anchor babies,so to hell with our eurochristian background.There USED to be a great nation called the united states.Too bad some of those horrible social mores weren't taught to this girl and the ass**** that killed her.Mighta done some good
Oh I am sure the murderer will have ever rights group clamouring for justice for this poor misunderstood, discriminated against black man - Jesse will be providing the eulogy, obama and his democratic cohorts in the house and senate will decry the senseless death of this man- this martyr - that was simply driven to these violent acts by an uncaring, unfeeling judicial system and a police force that never gave the man a chance. The ACLU will be filing suit at both the state and federal level because this man was obviously persecuted and no one understood he is simply a victim of his surroundings. The baby and girl were simply collateral damage caused by the system and not this poor black man.
Damn I have been reading way to many court cases presented by the ACLU and their pursuit of misjudgement
Ternam you are a sick man full of anger, bigotry and I would venture to say a high school diploma type. Not to mention a hint of your mother did not give you enough love and you daddy paid no attention to you. Or in terms of the Oedipus Complex. Wow you are off the charts with your hate and racism. Maybe someday you will be out of work and on unemployment if not already looking for a helping hand.
How come all of your comments on this post relates to Obama, executing people, and democrats? What the hell?
Ok, it's time to cut thru all this PC nonsense, tell the ACLU to go to hell, and realize that pedophiles, sexual predators and their ilk can not be rehabilitated. Wearing an ankle monitering device, registering them, relatively short prison terms do not work. These people just keep repeating their crimes over and over again. Castrate them, execute them, or life in prison with absolutely no chance of parole. These should be the three choices of punishment if you are convicted of a sex crime. If we keep failing to protect the most vulnerable segment of our society, our children, what does that say about the rest of our society ?
May their Souls Rest in Peace. Two innocent lives were lost. One one year old baby life was lost. the baby had never grown up nor experienced growing up and the innocent life was lost. God bless their souls. GOD BLESS THE USA.
Kevin Valentine Moraes
Mira Road (Thane)
A BABY just got shot in the USA, the country that has more guns and gun crime per capita than any nation on earth, a country that refuses to implement even the most reasonable gun control, and you want "god" to "bless" this country? Asking a little too much from "god" aren't you?
Hello....
Condolences and prayers go to the victims' family and friends.
Keep criminals put away...
Thoughts and prayers to the victims' family...