Bad police work again. Like her mother, I feel the investigation was handly badly or should I say incompetently.

And you know this why...Because you read it in this article , Sure glad we have so many keyboard experts, maybe next time a girl is reported missing the police should consult you on how to conduct their investigation

sorry, but im with siobhan on this. if he was a suspect, just searching his house wouldve lead to her body. why didnt they do a proper search if he was a convicted rapist and HIS house was the last place she was seen alive? um, that IS bad police work. plus, he killed himself in 2002? they had TEN YEARS to search the house and still didnt. ridiculous. cadaver dogs and ground radar? what does that mean?? were they ever actually IN the house or did they just search AROUND it?

Maybe he moved the remains after the house had been searched. It probably wasn't his first trip to Twistedville; maybe he was experienced enough to know the body needed to remain off sight until after searches had been done. Maybe the police did the best they could do, and the sick ba$tard still got away with it

Well - LostInThePineBarrens---

Something went awry with the so-called police investigation back then. It's 2012. Nicholle disappeared in 1999; that's about 13 years ago - a long time.

The house is demolished and Nicholle's remains turn up. The police still didn't find her. Yet, Fryer was a suspect back then; his house was searched back then; Fryer was suspected of human trafficking back then.

Fryer was never brought to justice for this crime although he was a prime suspect. Yet, Nicholle's remains were unearthed at Fryer's house - the prime suspect - 13 years later. What happened?

The prime suspect thingee didn't stop Fryer, though. No-ooooo! Didn't daunt him at all. He was awaiting sentencing for raping yet another girl. I don't think people are off-base for expecting more from their police department. Are you serious?

Fryer was obviously a predator living in the midst of innocent young girls. Some girls believed to have run away were probably abducted, raped and killed. Who knows how many young girls this man was responsible for abducting, raping, and killing?

The most noble thing he did was to take his own life. He was way ahead of the police in that town, even with that.

The real world is not CSI. Especially almost 13 years ago. I'm glad they found her, it will be good for the family to know. But carrying on now of Police errors is pretty pointless, considering the lack of factual data contained in the article.

Too much TV... Real world forensics are much harder and less likely to turn up results. I agree with willowbrook, there isn't enough information in this article to say whether the police made mistakes or not. The awful truth is that forensics never really give you the kind of information that they get on CSI and those other proceedural TV series.

This discovery is a rarity. Too often run away teens vanish without a trace.

Even here, in the United States, where we mostly feel safe and secure, this remains a very dangerous world.

I don't even watch CSI.

Here's the real point. Nicholle's body was in that house. What great technology is needed to simply search the house - more than once - and discover her body in the crawl space?

That's the point that's escaping many of you. The girl's body was in the house - not blood stains - not a sweater - not her bracelet - her B-O-D-Y.

And, you're trying to tell me it's okay for the police not to have found Nicholle's body - in the crawl space of the house of the PRIME SUSPECT - for 13 years? The body wasn't discovered until the house was being demolished for something that didn't have anything to do with the missing girl.

Please!

Tortcots, how do you know the body was IN the house at the time of the investigation. Bodies get moved all the time, ie., he may have had it at a storage locker and then after his home was searched, he may have moved it. I don't where the body was or how it was concealed and contrary to TV, cadaver dogs often don't get a hit and imaging equipment also misses things (just cause they image carryones and luggage at airports, you shouldn't expect to be safe).

Sad that it took so long, but there are others involved (stated in the article). Her body could have been dumped there by someone else, he could have been bumped off by contacts in the trade. (was it suicide?) and moving a body isn't so difficult. Like the police say, there is more to find out. On the plus side, it takes something like this for society to understand that human trafficing is happening in our communities and not just in Hollywood movies.

God bless her and family.

Differnet---

I don't know. However, it was put there at some point. The police could've searched the house more than once, even it was once a year. Police search houses more than once all the time; sometimes they aren't even looking for bodies.

Yet, why would someone put a body in a storage space, move it from the storage space to their home? Usually (notice I said "usually"), it's the other way around. Or, if they move it, they put it somewhere it will never be found, not in their home. So, my wager is that the body was there all along, and, somehow, it was missed.

rockmebritney

sorry, but im with siobhan on this. if he was a suspect, just searching his house wouldve lead to her body. why didnt they do a proper search

It said Martin also addressed criticism on why police were unable to find Nicholle's remains during earlier searches of the Fryer home. While they said cadaver dogs and FBI ground-penetrating radar were both used at the home, the technologies have their limitations, Martin told the newspaper.

When you have better technology and detection systems than those please alert the police they will want them.

I just looked this case up and it appears her diary, hair clip etc. were found in the home and the PD searched the land next to the home in 2006. Also, this POS was suspected of having been involved in a for hire killing of his own wife. A legal change to allow pimps, rapists and child pornographers to be detained without trial for up to 2 years would help a lot of these cases get solved. There's an epidemic in this country of young girls getting murdered and it is shameful.

Tortcots - if the body had been in storage at the time of the search, there would've been more than one reason to shift it from there. Criminals avoid putting illegal stuff in storage, or when forced to do so try to keep it there for as short a time as possible. Storage facilities are known for having K9 walkthroughs every now and then, usually at the invitation of the owner. So they're considered bad places to hide stuff that might be detected by a K9.

Or he might simply have been late in paying the storage fee and was about to lose the space.

I don't know. However, it was put there at some point. The police could've searched the house more than once,

Every search would have required a search warrant approved by a judge, Every application for the warrant would have to include that the house had been previously searched including the use of cadaver dogs and FBI ground penetrating radar, There are not too many judges that would issue repetitive warrants considering the specifics given as the expectation of the discovery of the girls body was less after the first search warrant was executed meaning that any subsequent warrants would have had to had substantially more "evidence" than the first search warrant and would have to specifically indicate where in the house the body may have been expected to have been found and that it was not completely searched in the first warrant. In other words you can not just keep getting warrants to search someones property just because you did not find what you were looking for the first time, The article does not indicate if the police applied for additional warrants and they were turned down by a judge or not so this story does not give enough information to make a determination that the police did not do all they could do to find this girl.

And, you're trying to tell me it's okay for the police not to have found Nicholle's body - in the crawl space of the house of the PRIME SUSPECT - for 13 years?

No, it's not OK, but both the girl and the prime suspect are dead. The officers on the case at the time probably aren't even there anymore.

You know Tort, we have this little flaw with this country too...we presume people innocent until proven guilty. I agree with you, if anyone is a suspect, they should lose all rights, there personal lives should be turned upside down, they should be made a public disgrace, and if it turns out, as it has so many times, that the person of interest was, in fact, utterly unrelated to the crime, who cares if they had to suffer undeservingly. I mean, after all, they were a suspect...they should have just been shot right from the start anyway.

"just searching his house wouldve [sic] lead to her body"

not necessarily. John Wayne Gacy had 31 bodies in his crawl space when they searched with a warrant the first time

Stephaniecali

A legal change to allow pimps, rapists and child pornographers to be detained without trial for up to 2 years would help a lot of these cases get solved.

So simply being ACCUSED means prison/jail? Do YOU personally have the funds to PAY for those falsely accused, never mind those wrongly convicted? Get a grip. Yes it is a shame so many go missing or end up dead.

To those suggesting they should have harassed him (repeatedly searched annually) the same question applies. The police missed the body. Some day we may know how that happened.

I am in no way condoning what this scum did. I am however standing up for YOUR right against unreasonable search. We do not, and hopefully never will, live in a true police state. When we do it will no longer be based on the constitution of the USA but some perversion or replacement.

Tortcots, how do you know the body was IN the house at the time of the investigation. Bodies get moved all the time, ie., he may have had it at a storage locker and then after his home was searched, he may have moved it.

differnet - While I think it unlikely that the killer would shuffle the body back and forth between a storage facility and his home, reading the story a second time, I cannot really find fault with the initial actions of the police. At least not on the surface. The house was searched. Cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar was used, and nothing was found.

Why? I do not know. But it apparently took the demolishing of the house to uncover the body, so it was apparently well hidden.

It is easy to fault the police, but they have to balance the civil rights of suspected criminals against the need to uncover evidence of a crime. That is the society we live in, and I would not change it.

So simply being ACCUSED means prison/jail? Do YOU personally have the funds to PAY for those falsely accused, never mind those wrongly convicted? Get a grip. Yes it is a shame so many go missing or end up dead.

Thank you, Trust Verify, for reminding some that neither the police nor the legal authority they represent are perfect and above corruption by greed, politics or personal enmity. The provisions in the constitution protecting us all from imprisonment without trial, and from unreasonable search and seizure were put there for a reason, and that reason was not simply to shield criminals from justice.

Undiscovered crimes such as the one reported in this article happen too often. But they are not endemic to our society. They do not occur with such frequency that extralegal means of addressing them are necessary.

If the police have a search warrant for a "suspected" pot dealer, they turn that house upside down!! They don't miss a f'n thing!!! Decomposition, no matter what it's contained in is very hard to hide( i guess, I've only smelt the nasty stinch of death, never tried to hide it )! I Love The Police, and alway's will!!!!! However, there is a question about the depth of this investigation! But let's all be honest, nobody does their job right when they have power anymore. These people have a ton of excuses, and there isn't shlt anybody can do about it! So, just hope you never have to depend on them!!! That's why I stock pile ammunition, and weapon's!!! F'k 911, just dial AR-15(Imagine having a plumbing problem, and the plumber showing up with "ground penetrating radar, and a dog"!! LMAO How 'bout you lazy f'ks get on your hand's and knee's and take a little crawl inside Capt. Howdy's crawl space!WTF fire anybody who was on the payroll then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The police could've searched the house more than once, even it was once a year."

Sorry, but there are legal limitations to getting a search warrant. You can't go to a judge and say "my gut tells me he's guilty and I want to search his house every year until we prove it." In the real world, and not your and others' on this forum bash-the-police-at-all-costs fantasy world, you'd have to go back to the judge every year with more probable cause to get a search warrant. If probable cause doesn't exist, you can't get a warrant and can't search the house. It's a constitutionally protected right against unreasonable search and seizure. All you armchair experts outta know that already, because you're experts. Right?

Khalid---

The body in storage wasn't my idea. I was responding to another post. However, if that was the case and the body had to be moved, why move the body to one's home? Wouldn't that be silly? Suppose the police were following him around, and he's caught moving a body to his house? Remember, he was a prime suspect. That is why I said I believe the body was already in the home, somewhere, and it was missed.

Since Fryer was a prime suspect, since Nicholle had been last seen at his place, most people would conclude that the police should've kept searching his place, should've kept hounding him, following him, watching him - because - he was a prime suspect.

I've read articles this morning stating that Nicholle's ID card was found in Fryer's home, in addition to photos of her that he'd taken, and hair accessories containing strands of her hair. It isn't clear when those items were found - after Nicholle's disappearance or after Fryer's arrest for raping the other girl.

Somewhere along the line, though, the prime suspect wasn't prime enough. If he'd really been prime, he would not have been given the opportunity to continue to rape girls and run his suspected human trafficking ring.

It's difficult to imagine Fryer was suspected of running a human trafficking ring in a town of about 45,000 and the police didn't have him under the radar, not to mention the fact that Fryer had been a suspect in the murder of his former wife, earlier.

Clearly, being a suspect was no deterrent for Fryer - nope; he marched on, as if he had a right to abduct young girls, rape them, and kill them, as if he believed he couldn't be touched. I wonder what fueled such confidence.

Are they sure the girl was really killed then or was she held captive somewhere else then killed later after the heat died down. Too many unknowns, to point fingers. The sad thing is, she had to wait all this time for a proper burial...

Unless the body was moved back to the house and put there, I have two words.

Cadaver Dogs.

WTF...seriously? How could they not find the body in a crawl space....

differnet & willowbrook - actually forensics is much better than what you see on TV. And discover of information is better than you think. A dealership owner in upstate NY was convicted of killing his wife with no body found, no eye witnesses - only a little bit microscopic blood in the kitchen - that's was it - took two trials to convict him. The police is this case are typical non-educated goons. Most police departments are much more enthusiastic about money generating tickets and budget (new cruisers, new SWAT weapons) then actually Serving and Protecting!

Decomposition is undetectable at six feet. The article stated very clearly, that the site was being dug, when the body was found. That indicates, that the body was likely buried several feet under the surface. That would render the cadaver dogs useless. Radar has been improved over the last decade, and can see much farther than in times past. If the man owned the home, and died in 2002, it would have been impossible to get a warrant, since the owner was not present to be served. The police cannot just get a warrant and serve it on a deceased person, since it would violate his Constitutional right to defend himself (yeah, I know it's a ridiculous loophole, but it is true). Without more information, we can assume the police failed in the original investigation, but we all run the risk of eating crow later on. I'll save my opinion until more facts are known, and the investigation nears its end.

I think of that little fourteen year old girl that never left that house. She'd be about twenty-seven - with a life filled with everything that makes a life: love, sorrow, pain, joy, failures and glorious victories - a husband perhaps and children too, friends that never even had a chance to know the woman she'd become. All taken away by a ruthless bastard.

Leaving her family only to linger in some strange, melancholy hope, his suicide proved nothing except his own selfishness. It wasn't an act of sorrow or regret but rather cowardice. An escapist, he lived in a world of his own making, and his last trick was meant to escape justice itself. I hope at the end he realized how pointlessly misused his entire existence had been spent. I hope he feared beyond all human understanding and died knowing he would be hated until the day he is finally forgotten.

Its so hard to read these stories, yet I ask myself why I do it. It is the sad hard reality of the world. It brings to my awareness the atrocities that can invade even our peaceful neighborhoods or god forbid even our own homes should some crazy person on the loose get in. I count my blessings every day and make sure my doors are locked at night to be honest.

Police search houses more than once all the time

And they generally need another warrant for that, which is not always so easy to get.

A condition of every convicted rapist or child molester's sentencing ought to be a life-long authority to enter and search any and all properties connected to them. Absent this, they ought to be blinded permanently.

@ BigPaul - foresnics are only as good as the money available and the training the personnel have received. I live not so far from Lima and in this area of the country, we don't have the resources the big city has. (Even though Lima is a city, it is not a "big city.") And to assume cadaver dogs always hit the mark is unreasonable as well. We had a young man hit a deer, go off the road and crash into a tree. He didn't have a cell phone, so he got out of the car and walked a mile and a half to a pay phone. An hour or 2 later, the car caught on fire and then was discovered by the Sheriff. They brought out dogs to track the man, who went 180 degrees in the wrong direction. A physical search of surrounding property, (including mine) turned up nothing as well. They finally tracked the man down at his Mother's house. He was too stupid to call in his property damage accident. I repeat what I said before. The article does not contain sufficient FACTS to make the many assumptions being put forth in this thread.

Here we go again and again and again. The parents of this child have had 13 years of living Hell wondering where their sweet little girl was.

The monster, the rapist, the "sex-trafficker" Glen Fryer, had suicided while he was in jail for having raped a little 12 year old girl. We continue to post how horrible this is and what should be done and that really accomplishes nothing.

One in four girls in America, under the age of 18, report having been sexually abuse! Those are just the reported cases. Many are left for dead as this little girl. How many more did this creature rape and kill? We will never know. We will also never know how many children have been abused today as most go unreported by the news people. "One in Four" is 25% of all the little girls under the age of 18. How can we call ourselves civilized? How can we continue to allow this? A mere post may make one feel a little better about the horror stories that we read almost daily. However, it does not solve the problem of getting these less than human creatures off our streets for ever.

There are good people working to put a stop to this. They are demanding and in some cases getting more than a slap on the hand from any given judge or a year or two behind bars. One that I can respect, one that does not take tax-payers dollars is Focus Adolescent Services, www.Focusas.com Come on folks, my fellow caring and compassionate Americans put your money where your mouth is. Support them or the few others who have been working to save the children of our country.

Moderate Anarchist: you may say who cares if someone has to suffer undeservingly if they end up being innocent, but I imagine your perspective on that would change if YOU were ever falsely accused of murder and your own life was turned upside down, you lost all of your rights, and were made into a public disgrace. Especially if you were just "shot from the start anyway."

I think that there is too much blame going around here. The simple truth is that help WAS hard to find in cases of runaways at that time, which Nicholle was, and that is the only error made by the police. It was simply the way things were done back then, however wrong it may have been. It's important to note that those policies have since been changed. Once police realized foul play was involved, they wanted answers, and they never did give up looking for Nicholle even though it turned into a cold case. The house was searched more than once (the article stated "...during earlier searchES..."). They used the cadaver dogs and ground radar, the most thorough ways of conducting searches, what more could you people want? It's not the police department's fault that their methods did not turn up the body. In order for MORE searches to be conducted, a judge would have to approve them, and that can't happen without new developments or more probable cause. Efforts were exhausted in this respect. But the police in 2002, three years later, were still working the case, hoping Fryer would tell them what he knew of her disappearance. The police have also followed up on leads and false information throughout the years, and were waiting at the site of the home while it was being torn down in case remains turned up. Everyone might be saying Fryer should have been charged and convicted, but based on what? In order to do so, there had to be some REAL proof and evidence or he would walk the streets on a not guilty verdict and would NEVER be brought to justice. Unfortunately, he took his own life before the pieces of the puzzle could be put together and he could be put away for his crimes. That does not mean that the police were simply letting him walk free.

It's easy to play "Monday morning quarterback" and say that this should have been done, that should have been done, etc. There is so much we don't know...was Nicholle's body in the crawl space at the time the search was done with GPR and cadaver dogs? Or was she placed somewhere else and then after awhile buring in the crawl space? If she was there the whole time, how far down was her burial? It's not like how it is on CSI, or whatever forensics TV show is big right now.

Bobertbobertpost 1.33 Thank you for your post. "A condition....." How about no conditions, no more rights, no more short jail terms only to be out again and repeat in a more violent way.

How about all of the fifty states, who are paying about $30,000 a year to keep each of these creatures in jail, pool their money and buy an island in shark infested waters. The sentence to any one who harms a child, who rapes her and abuses her is life on this island. They get dropped off there to join their fellow perverts. They will be allowed a desalinization plant, ( there is a used one I have read in Florida), a shovel and a bag of vegetable seeds if they want to eat at all.

The streets will once again be safe. The cost will soon be reduced to we the tax-payers, and little children can once again be free from harm and brutality.

There will be no need for armed guards, the sharks will take care of that. If they want to eat, they can work, if they want shelter they can build a hut. If their population grows too large then that is their problem to deal with.

A condition of every convicted rapist or child molester's sentencing ought to be a life-long authority to enter and search any and all properties connected to them. Absent this, they ought to be blinded permanently.

Obviously you were smoking in the boys room when they taught about the Bill of Rights in high school.

Fryer Killed Itself in 2002; 3 years After he Murdered this poor girl. PhantomBeast Has Insisted before and He Insists AGAIN; The Stat Mental Hospitals MUST be Re-Opened to keep these CriminallyInsane and just plain Evil people Out Of Society. Look, The Cops are there for their Paychecks and Benefits and have resorted to preying on decent, Honest and LwAbiding Citizens Vie PoliceBrutality to justify their 100GRAND a year; so We Americans cannot expect much from them. These Very Dangerous males ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. No Wonder Women have to CONSTANTLY look over their shoulders ESP at Night, when these Zombies come out to prey on Women. what have we come to allowing Corporate interests like BigPharma to dictate InternalAmericanMentalHealthPolicy?

PhantomBeast, you ask a good question, but have the wrong answer. You will find that American Mental Health Policy has been dictated for some time by the Liberals, not Corporate Interests. Their drive to give more "rights" to the mentally ill has created the Jared Loughners and others of this world. Yes, I do agree, we need more secure places for the criminally insane, good luck persuading the Liberals of that. For most of the them, the rights of the criminally insane is more important than the rights of their victims or the American population.

am i missing something here,why was he free while awaiting sentencing on the rape of another girl? hope the judge who let him out never sleeps well again

It's not that the police did a horrible investigation, it's more that people are addled by the fiction of our television programs where the bad guys are presented with a shred of evidence and crumble. It's funny how back in the 70's and 80's there were a ton of mystery/who-dun-it shows where the detective gets a guy hung because one side of a pillow is more faded than the other, while in real life 90's O.J. got off with the mountain of evidence against him. The crime dramas today are a LITTLE more savvy, but not much, and it leads to the same resentful disconnect between the fantasy world of fiction and the real world.

did anyone take into consideration that when the police searched the house she wasnt even dead? hell, she may have been at wal mart when they searched. she may have crawled into the space herself just last year for all we know. it doesnt say anything about when she died, why she died, or how she died

once a person is id, as having a prior , as this person had; it is a 90% certain they will strike again; these sick animals do not get better, just more cunning, the police no doubt are now running other missing girls in the area of this predators roaming, there will be others, I have seen this many times, they do not change , just get better at concealment!

A legal change to allow pimps, rapists and child pornographers to be detained without trial for up to 2 years would help a lot of these cases get solved.

It would also be a direct violation of the constitutional right to a speedy trial. Not to mention that there isn't a lot of justice in keeping someone who MIGHT be guilty of a crime incarcerated for two years.

The War-on-Drugs takes such a high priority with our nations police forces that the pursuit of criminals with real victims, such as rapists, has been largely abandoned. Do a Google search for UNTESTED RAPE KITS to see what I mean.

Any cop with career ambition is not going to waste his career pursuing rapists or murders because there simply is not enough prey to generate the type of arrest numbers one gets working narcotics.

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Homicide departments have also been gutted. OJ did not murder his ex-wife; his son Jason did it. The LAPD is no longer capable of conducting a real murder investigation; but they are able to generate very high arrest numbers by arresting marijuana smokers.

Google OJ GUILTY BUT NOT OF MURDER for proof that OJ did not do it.
The case was completely botched.

You would think they'd have used a cadaver dog back in 1999.

This MONSTER, glen fryer, had a mile long sex assault rap sheet with CONVICTIONS. He was out and at home to set the trap for unsuspecting girls Or a slaughtering house where he brought his victims to kill them. When these Evil males are LOCKED UP in a Mental Hospital they can't get at Women to harm them. So the RepublicanCrimeCartelThugs say "hey!!! We can't afford to set up and staff state mental hospitals!! Just think about the FACT that these RepublicanCrimeCartelWars of Profit costs would Set Up state Mental Hospitals, FULLY STAFFED, with necessary "chase teams and vehicles" to Chase after "Examine and Retain" for LockUp. These Very Dangerous Males are Criminally Insane and know how to play the system as they prey on innocent Females AND They do it Again because They Like It.

The only good news here is that the scumbag that did this crime is already dead. So sorry for this girl's mom. This has to re-open those wounds like it happened yesterday. I hope getting back her daughter's remains helps the mother in some small way. At least this girl hasn't been tortured for the last 12 years.

Phantom... you sound like you have some issues to resolve. Perhaps you should seek real life counseling and NOT online crack sites? It almost sounds like you are writing a script for a really crappy "B" movie. Are these "Very Dangerous Males" offspring of brother and sister relations from the back woods and missing more than half of their teeth and the "innocent Females" running around in overly tight skimpy tops and short shorts? I'm not sure you could pay me to watch it.

Oh boy, the arm chair detectives are out in force today. It would really help if they knew at least a little about what they are talking about. People really need to have info before they throw stones. Of course now days it is all about putting down the police. So many of you want to complain about the police until you need one. Then you want them to be ready for you on your front porch. Amazing how you want them at your beck and call but don't want to have any respect for them.

i'm a little lost on why CRAWL SPACES are the first place someone searches?

I feel like Barney Fife must be running these PD searches..."I bet they hid her under a blanket in the bed by golly"..."well shucks, she wasnt in the bed under the blanket, I dont know where on earth she could be"...

I feel like thats how the search might have went in podunk, ohio.

Convicted Rapist? When? The case where he was in jail and off'ed himself, or back when this girl went missing? No real detail in this story to decide anything. Human Trafficing? How about an expansion or link to something more on this? Whatever happened to the newsroom where there were real reporters who investigated a story. 10 second attention span? Is that what our news is for? I could sit for a 30 second story if I concentrate. Why not write a real story instead of a Twitter note?

A note on Trafficing. In 1969 I met some people I shouldn't have but I found out a thing or two that was never recognized by the police (They denied it happens). Ever hear of the "Circuit?" A girl is promissed a job dancing (Stripper). She works for awhile and goes somewhere for more money recommended by her boss. Say like this... El Paso to Denver to Anchorage to Singapore to gone... The girls are protected in the circuit, live in dorms, curfew, no dates, savings kept by the company for "Safekeeping," etc. They find out about the Asian gig and are helped to get their passport and visa. On arival, their visa is held for "Safekeeping" and then they just aren't there anymore. I imagine this still happens and maybe this guy was part of it, but there is never any crack in the info because they dissapear elsewhere.

To TrustVertigo: I can appreciate the kind of passive and sactimonious comments you put out to people. But "on-line" CrackSites??? Where are your strange thought processes bringing you or is WillowBrook correct about your type: the rights of the criminally insane supercede our rights.....

Your cops make 100 grand a year? where? Our cops dont make near that. Better check your 'facts' instead of relying on heresay. The cops missed something on a search? Guessing you would do better? Well then, just get yourself on to the acadamy and join up! And if you are not willing to do that ... then shut your flapping lips. Guessing you could't make the cut anyway. The only evidence I've seen of police brutality in this case is the brutality of comments against the cops from a whole lot of wide mouths in front of tiny brains looking to blame someone. Don't bother calling 911 when the punks break into your house ... you know so much? fix it yourself.

AND just for fun, review your constitution. Just holding on to someone because you don't like how they appear is flatly against that base of all laws ... and for very good reason ... in case you have forgotten your American History classes. Required for graduation across the US.

Trust verify
Yes, its just so much more important to wrap ourselves up in the constitution and warble on about corrupt cops framing innocents, than concern ourselves with the weekly national travesty of young women and children being abducted, raped and murdered. It's become a national disgrace how often these headlines appear. Did you get your panties in a bunch about the Guantanamo detainees who have sat there for a decade? Probably not. But isn't it amazing when guys feel threatened, the constitution can go out the window? Here's one I'd stick at the top of the detain 'em pending investigation DREW PETERSON, followed by that parent of the year in Washington who axed and burned his kkds to death.

I'm not talking about this as a standard practice, I'm talking about rare, highly suspicious characters that we all know probably did the deed, but because of bleeding hearts like you, they get to duck and weave out of it.

Read my comment again and you'll see I put a time limit on the detention time. No evidence after detention? Out you go free.
Cost? Maybe not such an expense when you consider the cost of prolonged investigations and the possible deterrent effect it might have on wannabe predators.

The bottom line with Nicholle Coppler was the fact that she thought she was a big girl and she could handle any adult situation. Sadly, she was wrong and it ended with her untimely death.

Prevention is one way to avoid tragedies like this. To all the little girls who think they're grown up enough to handle situations on their own... Think again!

Too bad the Government and Police are not as thorough in helping citizens as they are at protecting their own butts.

Prevention is one way to avoid tragedies like this. To all the little girls who think they're grown up enough to handle situations on their own... Think again!

If you think many adolescent girls are reading and absorbing all the "wisdom" on this blog site, you're fooling yourself.

Maybe this girl made one bad choice and got burned. Maybe she made many bad choices and ran out of luck. Or maybe she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. That happens too.

This world is not as safe as it sometimes seems. There are people like this guy Fryer do exist out there, and not all of them get caught after their first, second on 99th offense.

The best defense is to keep tabs on your children. Know where they go and with whom they go.

Stephaniecali

but because of bleeding hearts like you,

So now I'm a bleeding heart because I don't agree with you wanting to selectively support the constitution?

Did you get your panties in a bunch about the Guantanamo detainees who have sat there for a decade?

panties in a bunch? nope but I did and DO have issues when the constitutional rights of US citizens are violated. What happened in Guantanamo went from a POW camp to violations of the Geneva Convention. The moment it becomes "OK" to violate the US constitution OR the Geneva Convention in the "interest of Justice" it becomes something other than justice. Stooping to the level of the bad guy makes us worse than them. "We" supposedly KNOW better where they may or may not.

Where would you care to draw the line? What crime is too small to not violate YOUR Rights? Unlike TV, i.e. NCIS, you can't get a warrant on a gut feeling. You cannot hold someone without charges, it's called kidnapping or false imprisonment depending on the statutes.

Yes there are aberrations in the world. The moment we accept treating EVERYONE like they are guilty is the moment some power hungry aberration starts locking opponents away on trumped charges and we all lose.

Those who give up even a small portion of their rights in the name of a little security have neither.

You stated a two year hold and release... its been over 10 before they found what they were looking for and EVERYONE was so sure he did it. What would the two year hold have gained in this case other than presuming guilt and violating the constitution.

Am I wrapping the constitution around him... specifically NO... I am wrapping it around EVERY US Citizen. Better that 9 guilty go free than 1 innocent be punished.

If you feel the Constitution isn't working so well then either work to change it or leave for somewhere that works better for you. Iran has laws like you seek.. guilty until some tribunal decides your are not guilty. Mexico works somewhat on that premise.... lock the suspect in jail and eventually get around to a trial. Cuba has a wonderful system where if you don't agree with the people in power they lock you up as a dissident. Afghanistan has a way of stoning the VICTIM of rape and commending the perpetrator for being such a stud.

Excellent post, Trust Verify. Adherence to the Constitution is not just required when it is convenient, or when it does not interfere with mob justice. It applies 100% of the time... or not at all.

@ MrCool: Ah, the "pervert island" idea! That's always kinda been a favorite of mine, too...

I don't know. However, it was put there at some point. The police could've searched the house more than once, even it was once a year.

Wow. Heh heh. As a retired cop, I really have to laugh at the Hollywood ideas some of you people have about police work...

While they said cadaver dogs and FBI ground-penetrating radar were both used at the home, the technologies have their limitations, Martin told the newspaper

They did!

Brother and Sister Americans: FACE IT; Of Course this Monsters' home should have been combed thoroughly after it killed itself; this is Not a Man; We Men Love, Repect and Protect Women. We Do NOT harm them. The Police are in it for The Paycheck ONLY; so going through the trouble of a search warrant and combing the house did not interest the Law EnFarcement People At all. This Moster should have been IN PRISON awaiting sentencing; Not at home to do it again; He liked what he did. These Very Dangerous males MUST be Locked up in Mental Hospitals They kill again and again because they like it he was Sick and Evil. Go to google "glen fryer images" this person did NOT belong Out. Lock Them UP.

Dogs and tools are not 100% effective in real world scenarios. Dogs can get distracted, they're not perfect. Or if there are other odors in the house that overwhelm the dog's ability to follow the scent, that can happen too. Even if the dog does smell something, if the dog doesn't give a clear signal to its handler, the handler doesn't know that the dog found something. There are several things that can prevent a dog from doing its job.

As for ground penetrating radar, while I don't know a lot about the technology, it is not perfect either. I know there are certain types of rock that don't conduct the signal well, so that can limit the technology.

Besides, as others have stated before, the body may not have been there when they did their original search of the house. We have no idea, especially since the article has no information about that in it. It's helpful to know all the facts before you go bashing cops for not doing their jobs.

Their jobs are a lot harder than TV shows like CSI make them out to be.

In 1999 the Lima Police department did not have cadaver dogs (they probably still don't) so the dog would have more than likely come from OSP (Ohio State Police). You can't really blame the city police if the State Police search team didn't find something. The Ground Penetrating Radar came from the FBI, which means the operator was also an FBI Agent, since they just don't loan out their equipment to anyone that asks. Once again you can't blame the city cops when the federal search team didn't find something.

There is also the possibility that the remains were moved BACK to the house after his death in 2002 by accomplices. He was suspected in being part of a 'sex trade ring', meaning there are others involved. Granted there are a few flaws in this theory, however, he's dead and the house is empty (therefore no longer going to be searched) so it is possible. There is no evidence that she died in 1999, only that she disappeared. It is possible that she died (or was murdered) at a later date and was returned to that spot under the assumption that when (if) the body was ever found the case would be closed and there would be no further investigation.

With this level of stupidity, I am genuinely surprised that you are able to operate a computer. Kudos to the special education system in your school district.

Dogs and tools are not 100% effective in real world scenarios. Dogs can get distracted, they're not perfect

Exactly. If you're smuggling marijuana, put it into the secret compartment of a specially constructed pet carrier and then put a rabbit inside. If the dog goes crazy, the cops will assume he's just going after the rabbit and tell him to shut up. That's assuming the officers in question realize it's a DOG, which they may not. Where I live, they actually have a "swearing in" ceremony for police dogs, although I don't know if they are required to raise their right paw and swear on the AKC Book.

When cops screw up, it's amazing the number of apologist writing excuses for them. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them came from police labor unions, Protective League, or Benevalent Associations.

WallSt:

When cops do things right, you'd be amazed at the number of people who are still criticizing them, and outright hating them, saying things like "they got lucky" when they catch the right person and get him put away. It goes both ways. I know there are bad cops out there, and they should be driven out of the police force, but my experience has shown there are more good cops than bad cops (and I have experienced both). So I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, until it's proven that they did something wrong, or were negligent.

Bill, 100% agree. I realize we need laws to protect people that may be innocent. But, when will we getting upset enough or mad enough to stop letting these people sit in prison for their entire lives? We need the death penalty under the right circumstances, when we know for sure the person committed the crime and was convicted. These people will never be a part of society or safet part of society again. Rapists, molesters, and murderers deserve the death penalty with only one appeal. If that appeal fails, put them to death. For murderers, put them to death the same way they killed their victims. Under certain circumstances, I would put drug dealers in to this category, also.

Yeah that stupid constitution and it's right to a fair trial and prevention of unwarranted searches.

Mr CW; Don't worry, the big man on 31 DEC 11 signed that new law into effect so we don't have to worry about them anymore. Big brother can now do anything they want to get to the bottom of these terrorist crimes.

So many experts on this forum who should have gone into law enforcement themselves from all the informative posts above. Perhaps all the truly enlightened can give police/detective training classes for all the inept officers and perhaps retrain the cadaver dogs who failed to do their jobs.

When a person takes a job it's their responsibility to do it to the best of their ability. I see to many wannabe Sheriffs Deputies in my area that wear the uniform for no other reason than drawing a pay check.

The only true professionals in Law Enforcement are the FBI; they simply don't accept high school cast-offs. And the FBI are not concerned about getting their next squad car or SWAT weapon!

And the FBI were involved in an earlier search.

Right, Frosticer Simron, because that's the most important issue when it comes to fighting crime and searching for victims: the cost of equipment used to solve murders, rapes and burglaries. Even if it were your decaying corpse they were searching for, we wouldn't damn the cost of the GPR or the cadaver dogs. Unlike you.

So many whiners and whingers complaining about things they don't understand. Grow up, get an education or quit your fussing.

Speedy Slow and painful capital punishment for child rapists

Ernie,they are kept in isolation .They do not mingle freely with the prison population,as their life expectancy would be very short.

exactly and it is why they should mangle in general prison population. The best solution is to put them where they are vulnerable instead of being predators. The shoe is on the other foot. Natural weeding of the garden. They should wear a tag on their backs....child molester/sex offender, just to be sure they get the proper introduction.

What we need is a vigalante group, once the DNA is in take them from jail, hang them. This start happening and they would start leaving like rats leaving a sinking ship at least the town where it occured. You have a better solution????????

Why do they deserve preferential treatment???

they are kept in isolation .They do not mingle freely with the prison population,as their life expectancy would be very short.

Maybe if they knew they'd be in general, it would make a few of them think twice. They destroy lives and the law is bound to protect them??? This needs to change. Are other prisoners afforded this luxury???

Be the person they can trust and cause no harm. In the long term

Back in the day if a teenager ran away they often went to a friend's house. The friend's parents typically let them stay overnight to cool off, then they either had to call their parents or the friend's mom would call.

That's the reason people and police didn't get hysterical the first night -- that and the fact that although psychopaths existed, they weren't hiding behind every tree as they are today.

Of course, that was history long before 1999. For the police, the mindset lived on long after the culture had changed. The cops often seem to think if a kid ran away, they put themselves in harm's way and to some extent get what they deserve. But unless a cop is psychic, he has no way of knowing why a child ran. The girl might have been being raped or beaten by family members for all the cop knows.

But can you imagine your potential liability if, as an adult today, you gave safe haven to an unrelated teenager, even for 24 hours? People are barely allowed to speak to unrelated children today. Have you tried to strike up a conversation with a 7 or 8 year old kid at the checkout line lately? The kid looks at you like you're going to eat them, even when their mother is standing right next to them.

I've had a terrible time making my elderly father understand that he can't play grandpa to every little kid he sees. He was the kind of dad who was the favorite of all the neighborhood kids, always teaching the young ones to pitch a baseball, taking us on camp-outs, etc. It breaks his heart that he can't interact with kids anymore.

Like the war on terrorism, pedophilia has won in this country.

It's not the police officers themselves whose "mindset" causes investigations to be handled badly. It's too many stupid laws and judges who issue stupid decisions based on those laws that tie the officers' hands.

My husband was a police officer for 20 years. He spent one year as a juvenile detective; he then took a cut in pay to go back out on the street. It was nearly impossible for the detectives to make any progress with any cases because of stupid laws and arbitrary rules. The laws regarding children in general are such that little or no help can be given, no questions can be asked; when children are taken from a bad parent, they're almost immediately returned to the bad parent. Look at the Powell case- that man should never have had any sort of visitation with those little boys. Now, they're dead. Hacked up and burned by their father. Why? Because some idiot judge believed in "keeping families together" no matter what. Sometimes, a family needs to be separated for the sake of safety.

One case my husband worked involved two women who had left their six children locked up in an apartment with no heat and very little food. The oldest child was 9, the youngest was about eight months old. The women took off with their "boyfriends" on a drug binge. After two weeks, someone called the police and told them that she figured "the babies are out of food by now". So, the police show up, finding the kids alone, no food, no heat, and no diapers for the baby. The baby was dehydrated and malnourished, and had an infected diaper rash from not being changed for over a week. The so-called "mothers" were located about ten days later. After attending a hearing, and promising to attend parenting classes and a drug program, all six kids were returned to the women. Two months later, the kids were again found in the same situation as before- alone while the "mothers" were out partying. Sickening, isn't it?

Cassie - all good points you've made.

On another vein - I don't believe some of these children are running away. Perhaps, the parents think they ran away because they're missing.

If a child has run away in the past, and comes up missing, everyone assumes the child ran away again. If people live in a small town and get to know people's habits, it would be easy to snatch such children, rape them, kill them and not really be under any suspicion, which is what I believe was the case in this case.

I don't believe Nicholle ran away that time; I believe Fryer abducted her (at least lured her to his house), raped her, and killed her.

Dani, I heartily agree with you and can see you are as frustrated as I am. Social Services is a sham and so are the agencies they support with parenting classes and this class and that class. Too many selfish and shallow people out there, many with serious drug habits, should not have custody of their children, yet judges and social services people continue to return poor little children to bad homes "for the sake of the family." That is one philosophy that needs to be erased right now.

I don't know about other states, but in our state, there is a serious shortage of homes that provide foster care. As a result, officials continue to keep kids in bad homes. I don't like the term "orphanage," but it looks like building a modern one just might do the trick to keep kids truly safe with good monitoring. Some parents have no business having their children with them, ever. It's a huge shame in this country.

Chuck, you don't have to tell normal, sane people this. Normal, sane people already know to do the right thing by young people and don't take advantage of them, but rather lend that helping hand as you say. Unfortunately, there are those soulless predators out there who look for those to prey upon. That's why our children need to be taught to be vigilant wherever they go and be extra careful, especially if alone.

Dani---

"Stupid laws?" "Idiot judges"?---

Are you sure your husband was a police officer? One would think there would be a little more respect for the laws and for judges. Seriously - hope that wasn't your husband's views of laws and judges; if so, that would explain your reference to his police career as "was"...

One would think there would be a little more respect for the laws and for judges.

I have to disagree. I am constantly reading stories about children who were killed by parents who clearly should not have had access to them. Not clearly in hindsight. Clear to ANY fool early on.

How about those kids attacked by a hatchet and then burned to death by the daddy who murdered their mother--then given visiting privileges in the privacy of his own home where he could conveniently kill them? Sent there with a single female social worker to "supervise." They had no business sending any woman alone into that house, let alone defenseless kids.

And last weekend my town was mourning the brutal beating to death of a sweet kid who had been tortured and tormented for years. Something like 16 incidents on record. The authorities murdered that child in cahoots with the parents who did the actually deed. Everyone who signed off on that kid should be in prison.

The stories are endless. Sorry, but I strongly disagree.

And...

Are you sure your husband was a police officer?

What kind of question was that? I'm certain Dani knows whether or not her own husband was a police officer, so if you're going to call her a liar, why not have the balls to say it outright?

Tortcots,
She did run away as her diary was found with an entry written during the time she was there. By then, she had changed her mind and was expected to be a prostitute for this bunch of charmers. She wrote she wanted to leave and was killed afterthat.. Sex trafficing frequently involves an increasing amount of physical control placed on the victim until they are broken down and ready for the trade. When they resist they get killed. So next time (guys) you see the "hooker with a heart" in a tv role, or imagine that a teen prostitute really does it for easy money, think of this young girl and feel uneasy. Pressure from decent men that this is not an accepable trade would go a long way in damping down the demand for this.

Tortcots, you do realize that most police officers are retired after 20 or so years, right? That's what explains the "was". He got his 20 and waved goodbye. Yes, I'm sure he was a police officer. You want to call me a liar? Fine- I'll call you rude and ignorant.

And thanks, Cassie. Some people just don't understand that it's not the police officers, it's the judges who return kids to their abusive/neglectful "families". Recently, in our city, a family court judge was removed from the bench. All of her decisions made over the last 20 years are being reviewed. She is clearly prejudicial in her decision-making; people have been complaining about her for years. But, the "good ol' boy" system is firmly entrenched here, so she must have made a bad decision regarding someone with connections.

Has anyone considered the fact that perhaps the killer had the girl's body stored elsewhere during the investigation? He could have moved her into the crawl space after the searches. But, I suppose all the cop-haters don't want to consider that scenario. They would just rather blame the cops than the killer.

For some of us Home was more dangerous than being on the streets. See the headline today of the 12-year-old girl naked and eating out of garbage cans near Riverside, CA. I ran away several times, and finally my parents let me go, and I found good people who took me in and protected me. I joined the Army and traveled the world, put myself in harms way so many times throughout my life. Why am I still here? I don't know. Just lucky and many times through the kindness of strangers.

Stephaniecali---

Pretty much - that's my point. If, at some point, Nicholle wanted to leave but was prevented from doing so; at that precise interval, she was no longer a run-away; she was being held against her will.

I'm wondering, though: when did Nicholle so-call run away? She left her home for Saturday school on May 15, 1999. That same day, she was seen at Fryer's house on his porch. So, when did she run away?

Dani---

People do understand about laws, judges, etc., and how such can circumvent a police officer's best efforts. That isn't the point. The point is just as the police, collectively, should be respected, laws and judges should be respected as well. There's nothing wrong with showing some respect. Is it?

Referring to laws as "stupid" and judges as "idiots" is far from respectful.

How about those kids attacked by a hatchet and then burned to death by the daddy who murdered their mother--then given visiting privileges in the privacy of his own home where he could conveniently kill them?

There wasn't even enough evidence to make an arrest of this person for killing his wife. You do NOT know that he did so. It was a freak tragedy. Most of the people who kill their children were never under CPS investigation in the first place. It often happens as the result of a divorce and/or custody battle, but there was no particular reason to think these kids were in danger. Judges can't predict every freak occurrence. Obviously the kids loved their father, which is why they ran ahead of the caseworker in their enthusiasm to see him and their home.

Tort-

Respect is earned, not deserved.

Dani---

That's the new saying isn't it?

The old one is "Treat people the way you want to be treated" - give respect to get respect. How we display (or not) respect reveals something about us, about our moral fiber. Either it's intact or it's wanting.

Then perhaps you shouldn't go around calling people liars without knowing all the facts, Tortcots.

Dudes (or Duds) do you not watch crime shows?

So you got all your expertise from crime shows, Thank goodness we have such experts like you, Maybe next time a crime occurs the police should just contact you and seek out your expert opinion, Afterall you do watch all those crime shows.

Pam

do you not watch crime shows?

you forgot... all they have to do is wait until the last ten minutes of the show to read the script.......

Not every police dept/crime lab has all the future tech (read does not exist) that solves crime in 30 seconds. The fingerprint compare is the ultimate farce in 30 seconds (takes days/weeks). DNA takes at least 72 hours to get a EXCLUDE never mind a match. Not that ANY of those would have done any good in this case as they had NOTHING to compare against. Until they found the body they had no hair, fiber or prints to even think about making a comparison.

What new and compelling evidence did they have after his suicide to get a search warrant? Committing suicide while awaiting sentence for a specific conviction is not evidence of wrong doing in any other crimes. It doesn't say but I would think that if he was awaiting sentencing for rape he was in jail when he committed suicide so they would have no authority to search his home.

They had a search warrant, they came up with nothing and unless they had any new evidence implicating him they were not going to get another search warrant. They cannot just keep going back because they believe that a person is guilty and they can't get another search warrant unless they have new evidence.

This guy was a poster boy for Waterboarding !

Why did the police give up the search ? They clearly dropped the ball on this one.

Evidently you did not read the article as it clearly states that both cadavor dogs and FBI ground penetrating radar were used.

I love these scumbag cop haters who think it is always the cops that screw up and chastise anyone who dares to think the cops did what they could, These haters usually know nothing about the situation but automatically assume the cops did wrong.

Gee Joe...your hate is showing, Is it possible you have found yourself on the wrong side of the law and got caught by one of the cops you hate.

LostInThePineBarrens

Why does anyone have to be a scumbag (I know the other person said it first but why follow suit if you're bigger than that)? Most people commenting appear to have respect for law enforcement, judges, and the law. A few don't.

Yet, when it's fairly clear that the police could've done more, why make excuses? People know when the police have done all in their power, when they're putting forth tireless effort to solve a case.

I read a blog Nicholle's mother posted March 12, 2002, shortly after Fryer's suicide where she was lamenting that the police were not doing enough, that they'd put Nicholle's case on the back burner because she was deemed a run-away.

She said it had been 2 years and 10 months since Nicholle's disappearance and she didn't feel enough was being done to find Nicholle, dead or alive. Her mother ought to know. That blog was posted about 10 years ago and Nicholle's remains just turned up through no work of the police.

If the police didn't do enough, they didn't do enough. Clearly, something went wrong with the investigation. Nicholle's remains turned up; Fryer was to be sentenced for raping another girl; and, yet another girl was suspected of being sold to a pedophile, by Fryer, and that girl also turned up dead.

Somewhere along the line, this man should've been stopped, should've been prevented from harming yet another young girl, and he wasn't. Stop making excuses, please!

Yet, when it's fairly clear that the police could've done more, why make excuses? People know when the police have done all in their power, when they're putting forth tireless effort to solve a case.

Tort, You are basing all of your assumptions and they are just assumptions off of what your read hear and a biased blog by the mother, There is certainly not enough evidence to indicate that the police and FBI did not do all they could to find this girl, You make statements like you are an expert in the field and have all the facts when in fact you are a bystander with no personal knowledge of what the Police and FBI did or did not do, As far as the response to the poster above I simply turned his hateful rant back against him.

LostInThePineBarrens---

Yes - I'm sure I am making some assumptions. However, I believe the assumptions fit what we do know.

We know that 13 years passed before Nicholle's remains surfaced. We know the police didn't discover her remains.

We know that Fryer raped another girl; we know that he was suspected of selling yet another girl who also turned up dead.

We know that Fryer could've been stopped and he wasn't. We can assume that Fryer should've been under heavy surveillance. We can assume he wasn't. Why?

Nicholle was killed, probably raped as well.

Another girl was raped.

Another girl came up missing, then turned up dead.

No assumptions, there.

This is what I'm wondering though: I understand your zeal to protect the police.

But, what about the victims? Where do they fit into your agenda? Do the victims count?

Two dead girls; one raped girl. Fryer could've been stopped. He wasn't. There was time and opportunity to stop him.

LostInThePineBarrens---

Regarding turning the other poster's rant against the poster - Please! Seriously.

You could've made your exact point without stooping to that person's level.

You know better. I just know you do.

Evidence my dear tort,Evidence.

Or lack thereof in your assumptions. Your assertion that this individual could have been stopped is based on information,facts and evidence gathered after the fact, You really do need to learn a little bit about the law before jumping to the conclusions you have, Considering you use the name Tort in your name one would think you might understand the physics of liability

Typical cop apologist troll response. Flame everyone who disagrees and use the usual morally bankrupt practice of calling anyone who criticizes the police a criminal. For your information Lost, I'm an accountant, a business owner and a veteran and not a criminal. My father was an engineer, and a veteran and he didn't trust the police either, just way too much evidence of abuse of power and DAs that wouldn't prosecute because they needed the police to make their cases for them

LostInThePineBarrens---

Keeping a prime suspect under surveillance should be simple logic. Had the prime suspect in this case been kept under surveillance, it's a good chance Fryer would not have graduated in his crimes. It's a good chance the last two girls could've been saved.

There's a huge difference between jumping to conclusions, thinking a little, or thinking at all.

There are no conclusions to jump to. The conclusions are staring us in the face:

Nicholle is dead.

Another girl raped.

Yet another girl dead.

All three connected to Fryer, directly. Those are facts.

I love these scumbag cop apologist who make every excuse every time the cops screw up

Who is the real troll and flamer here Joe, The very first words from you denigrate anyone who has a differing opinion than you.

Typical cop apologist troll response. Flame everyone who disagrees and use the usual morally bankrupt practice of calling anyone who criticizes the police a criminal. For your information Lost, I'm an accountant, a business owner and a veteran and not a criminal. My father was an engineer, and a veteran and he didn't trust the police either, just way too much evidence of abuse of power and DAs that wouldn't prosecute because they needed the police to make their cases for them

None of the things you have posted makes your rant any more credible. Your statements contain no evidence or facts just generalizations based upon your perspective.

Keeping a prime suspect under surveillance should be simple logic. Had the prime suspect in this case been kept under surveillance

So you suggest placing a surveillance team on this individual 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year for as many years as required, Sorry to burst your bubble but most departments simply do not have the money or manpower to facilitate that sort of surveillance project let alone the constitutional issues that could be raised, All your facts about those raped and murdered were attributed to him after the fact, That is not evidence or even reasonable grounds for a search warrant or the continued surveillance. You have no concept of what the reality of the responsibilities,abilities and restrictions placed on local Police officers,detectives and their departments, Everything is not as it is seen on TV.

Your are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, I will leave it at that .

So you suggest placing a surveillance team on this individual 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year for as many years as required

LostInThePineBarrens---

Apparently, the above is your suggestion since I didn't expound.

Yet, "surveillance" doesn't always involve "teams." There are plenty of methods available, even in 1999. There is even the method of "police presence" - one police officer, at a time, could be involved.

Something is better than nothing; and if "something" had been done, even as simple as "police presence," Fryer would've felt some heat. If there had been enough "police presence," for Fryer to feel some heat, I seriously doubt if he'd been bold enough to rape another girl, and get involved in the death of yet another girl if it seemed as if the police were breathing down his throat.

You have no concept of what the reality of the responsibilities,abilities and restrictions placed on local Police officers,detectives and their departments, Everything is not as it is seen on TV.

Why do people frame arguments with "Everything is not as it is seen on TV" as if that particular frame is actually a valid argument.

You're assuming that I even watch tv; more than that you're assuming that I watch tv and that I'm transferring whatever I watch to this incident.

Beyond that, you're assuming that I'd be silly enough to watch a fictional television program and really believe whatever occurred on that program occurs in real life and has occurred in this situation.

I'm wondering who really has been watching too much television.

This just shows how many sickos there are in our police departments that don't seach hard enough to find these lost children and suspect all the while that he might have had something to do with her disappearance that is the way I feel.

You have the BEST solution . Or treat the crime the way a Muslim country would.

Then some of our churches would have to cancel Sunday services due to lack of personnel.

Right on. To hurt or kill a child for any reason especially sexual gratification warrants death.

Randy

If he had been dealt with properly the first time,

you mean like all the folks who did time for NOT doing the crime? At least there is an undo button for being alive in prison vs being dead in the ground.

Excellent point. Runaways have issues many of us are clueless about...some are abused at home, have poor mental faculties or go out searching for a better life usually including drugs. Rarely a good outcome.

Or, in cases such as this one - "start investigating"...

This case sounds as if it was a

throwing-the-hands-up-in-the-air-oh-we-don't-know-where-she-is-sigh-shrug-sorry

although significant finds turned up at the home of the prime suspect... now Nicholle's remains uncovered 13 years later. Something is wrong with this picture.

If Nicholle's remains were found in the crawlspace of that house, something went wrong with the investigation back then, notwithstanding all the other leads they had at that time pinpointing that Nicholle had definitely been at that house.

I know there are police forces who take missing children seriously, but back then - too many didn't - and even today - too many don't.

However, to ones that do Kudos. To the ones that don't - may this be a lesson.

@Rweber: I suppose you find the results of this investigation to be satisfactory?