Can the GOP get any more disgusting and anti-women?

Christ, the GOP has sunk so far from the party it was 50 years ago.

That party would have absolutely nothing to do with today's GOP.

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Good news about Virginia, but what about several other states like Arizona that already have laws like this? In Texas it was passed even though doctors protested it there. National media attention is really needed to keep the Reich-wing in check. Come on, let's see some pressure on other states as well!

Barbara - you are exactly right. He has been gung-ho for this bill for quite some time, but now that the national spotlight is on him and his state, his hopes of becoming the VP nominee have greatly outweighed his "values".

US1776 - "Can the GOP get any more disgusting and anti-woman?" Don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answer. Somebody stuck it in their head that destroying women's rights will get them the white house and they are going to keep pushing that agenda.

He didn't reject the bjill, he suggested they change the wording of it . It took them a matter of hours to do just that and pass the new version on to the governor. They were in a hurry to get back to their anti gay adoption bill.

Barbara, McDonnell is nothing if not transparent. That is why I am still flabbergasted that he was elected Governor.

Now, if only he could cut and run from all the other hateful, bigoted, misogynistic legislation he's supported recently, he MIGHT have a snowball's chance in hell of ever being anything more than a tourist at the White House. MIGHT.

Maddow did a very interesting segment on McDonnell and the paper he wrote while at Pat Robertson's university. It's here if you missed it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#46474634

This guy is such a piece of... err, work.

Yes, Barbara, I agree, but thank goodness, nonetheless.

Pedestrian - nah - unless they're hiring gardeners. And, I'm sure there are better applicants!

karma will respond to the killing of the unborn children this country is going down and liberals are responsible for the destruction

Sammed, do you really think that conservatives and republicans don't get abortions? Someone needs to do some homework... ;)

Oh, sammed, you are so naive. You really are. Karma will come of course, but not where you expect it to come. But dream on and stay naive if that is what you need to do.

I beg to differ sammed. The MEN, who are 50% responsible for the creation of this "unwanted" child, turn and run like a bunch of sissy cowards, leaving the women to shoulder all the responsibility are the ones responsible of said "destruction". Don't even think about saying "well give it up for adoption"... why SHOULD a woman have to go through 9 months of pregnancy and birth if they don't want to? Men don't have to, so why should a woman be forced to?

Tell you what, when they put men in prison for life without parole for shirking their financial responsiblity, or are otherwise FORCED to pay for this child for 18 years, then we'll BEGIN to talk. Until that happens or men grow a uterus and are legally forced to carry every baby to term, stay OUT of every woman's uterus.

As for transvaginal ultrasound? If it is forced upon a woman, it is paramount to rape. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IN HELL SHOULD A WOMAN BE FORCED TO HAVE ONE. A woman determined to end an unwanted pregnancy, especially when the coward who helped create it bails like a sissy, will end it, no matter what. Karma THAT.

Go Senator Tommy Norment, my professor! :-)

This is very good news, to be sure. But we need to work to repeal similar laws like this in other states. Women healthcare needs have lost a lot of ground in the past year due to zealotry. We need to bring ourselves back to the 21st century.

Is the economy really that good that the Republican platform in an election year is making birth control, mammograms, abortion, and gay rights tougher to get assess to?

Drop catering to these puritanical woos, stay out of people's bedrooms, and get back to fiscal conservatism as a platform and you have my vote.

this country is going down and liberals are responsible for the destruction

Yup... NOW the country is going down to destruction.

Not when we came here, slaughtered an entire indigenous population, killing millions of actual innocent people.

Not when we enslaved millions of men, women and children, forcing them to do our work and torturing most.

Not when we burned women alive because of a rumor or gossip about being a "witch".

No, no... according to conservatives, THAT was all fine. But now... NOW, abortions will cause our destruction. (Wait... I thought gays were doing that?)

*sigh* The lack of intelligence in the conservative community is frightening.

Indie, even more frightening than the lack of intelligence in the conservative community, is the people that keep voting them in.

Why don't they just require women to wear burkas and subject them to virginity tests like they do in other countries we don't like? That will be the next thing they suggest. It's pretty hyprocritical that this country is railing against the lack of women's rights in other countries while trying to take away women's rights in the US.

It's a frightening time when it takes public outrage to scale back a bill entailing state-mandated molestation of women.

catlover1830 & unhappy1583758: you are both talking complete nonsense and need to think before you make any more comments

It is so horrible what women have to go through and that men get to decide what women have to do to do something that is very private between a woman and her doctor. Keep your laws and especially your religion off women's bodies. These anti-abortion laws should be called what they really are "men wanting to control women" or "religious laws." It is so hypocritical for conservative republicans to continue to say they want freedom and less control by the government, but as long as the laws support their religious beliefs, they want the government to be big and control everyone. It is so hypocritical. It is unconstitutional for religion to be in our laws. As long as conservatives and republicans are in this country's government, we will continue to be oppressed and abused. Don't vote republican or conservative, they will continue to try and control us and keep this country and our societies back hundreds and hundreds of years. We need to be focusing on what is important, such as jobs and the economy and not trying to control women. Support support support the right to abort. Women have a right to choose. re"pig"licans and "con"servatives are so ignorant and are destroying and holding back our country. by the way, I am a man who despises any political party. Socialism is also evil. I am even disappointed in our democrats who try to control people. Even so, conservatives and repiglicans are the worst and need to leave this country. There are a thousand benefits to abortion to one negative. Women know what they are doing when they get an abortion. I think that conservatives and repiglicans think that men are still superior to women and look down to women. What horrible people they are. Abortion is not killing children. What an ignorant and stupid thing for anyone to believe. But they are ok with hunting and pro guns, so we can kill each other. Total hypocrites. All they want to do is to have everyone believe and be what they are. That is not American. America is beautiful and amazing when people can choose and be who they want to be. Get a life repiglicans.

Abortion is not killing children. What an ignorant and stupid thing for anyone to believe.

ZenLove ad Monnie: Really, then what would you call it. Killing a group of cells? If that really was the case, then there should be no problem with looking at it before you kill it. I for one, have no problem looking at cancer cells and telling a doctor" it's time to kill it". What makes this any different?

Please explain to me why it's considered murder for a mother to kill her child outside of the womb, yet it's an acceptable procedure to kill her child while inside of the womb? At what point in time will you liberal thinking individuals feel that it really is acceptable to kill the child "after-birth" simpy because it's an inconvenience to keep the child? This isn't about a "woman's right" to do with her body as she sees fit, but the child's right to live.

Or in some cases, a woman's right to live. My mother was fortunate to have an abortion in the late 70's b/c if she had not I would have been motherless. It deeply bothered her and I might have had another sibling but, not everything is cut and dry and black and white. If we were to ban abortion we'd have the same damn mess the we had before it was made legal. Swelling foster populations, and most likely a larger prison population in the long run weighing down the taxpayers and state coffers from an already overgrown human population. Are you going to adopt them? Do you personally know a lot of people who can't wait to adopt a large# of children from young single mother's who can't raise them? Will you be bitching about having to pay taxes for all those free loading people out there needing welfare to raise their kids?

@TiredTexan

Do you consider an chicken egg as a chicken?

Fetus is a fetus, it's forming into a baby, not a baby itself. Do you see a fetus cry or feel pain?

Why are you acting like MUSLIM by limiting what rights a woman has? First you want to control women, then you want to have government based on your religion and belief. Stop trying to act like Muslim all the time.

there are so many evil murderers out there thinking that it is alright to butcher a baby , yes it is a baby, not a rock, not a car, not baseball either ! i think that those kind of women should be sterilized so that they don't continue killing. one of the ten commandments is " thou shalt not kill ", when you have an abortion , it falls under the category " murder ". this blog is filled with evil people that agree with abortion !

@SANDRA-3169616

What about the men? Shouldn't they be neuter as well?

"Thou shall not kill", let's look at thousands of years from religious standpoint, I think they have done more than killing, they torture people and condemn them all for not believing the samething they do.

You are acting like one, I don't want your religion force upon me. You know what is also evil? Forcing others to do what they don't want to do, like how they did it with women in the past.

To sum it up, your religious belief is so close to how MUSLIM handles everything. What's next? Women shouldn't allow to show their face in public like Muslim as well? You may as well go to Middle East since it seems you would be so comfortable living there.

Conservatives almost make me laugh at their hypocrisy. They decry big goverment, and shout about getting goverment off people's backs, but they use every trick in their legislative book to rob women of their right to medical privacy.

Thery are only anti goverment when it suits their religous agendas .... They make me want to vomit, but I won't dare, as they would probably want to drug test my vomit !!!!!!

PS SANDRA-3169616: .... I don't religiously believe life begins at conception ..... Stop trying to IMPOSE your beliefs on me and others and mind your own business !!!!! Don't you have a life of your own to take care of, without getting involved in the privacy of other people's lives ??????

Quite frankly you need to BUTT OUT !!!!

Sandra3169616, What you are saying makes no sense. It is the ultimate intrusion in a woman's life. It is one of the most personal decision a woman has to make and one of the most difficult.

I do not mean to condone Rape here, but I wonder if your views would be different if , God Forbid, You or your daughter were sexually assaulted and became pregnant.

This is clearly a case of religious zealots trying to impose their views on someone else. It is wrong. The choice belongs to the woman. I don't think any rational woman looks upon having an abortion as a walk in the park. As a Christian man , there are some situations that it not only right but medically necessary to have an abortion. No person has the right to tell my daughter that if necessary, she can't have an abortion.I would rather her have the procedure done in a hospital, than in a back room,on a card table, with a coat hanger as it used to be.

That's right, Virginia. We all know what a bunch of sick f---s you are.

I am imposing economic sanctions on red states. None of them will ever see a dollar from me if I can help it.

Conservatives are sick twisted welfare queens.

Wow! Do any of you people actually know what an abortion entails? A transvaginal ultra sound is nothing compared to that.

Yes, I know what both an abortion (not from personal experience, but from witnessing one and from education) and what a transvaginal ulrasound (from personal experience after complications from delivery) entail.

I'm still pro-choice; I still think forcing a transvaginal ultrasound on a woman is wrong.

Really, then what would you call it. Killing a group of cells? If that really was the case, then there should be no problem with looking at it before you kill it. I for one, have no problem looking at cancer cells and telling a doctor" it's time to kill it". What makes this any different?

There is a difference between forcing a woman to have an ultrasound and you willingly looking at cancer cells. If a woman wants to have an ultrasound (whether transvaginal or abdominal) and view it prior to an abortion, that's fine - she should be allowed to. One of my best friends had an abortion - she did view and kept the images from the abdominal ultrasound that she willingly had prior to making her ultimate decision and having the abortion. There are many reasons a woman may or may not want to view an ultrasound - just as there are many reasons a woman may or may not want an abortion.

Gee, Republicans finally pull out of something they have no business getting into.

Forcing a woman to have something she does not want inside her to be stuck up her what? Rape is the only word for it. They fight contraception and education about sex and then want to force the woman, whom they certainly didn't tell anything about how she could get pregnant, to have a child she would rather have aborted, for whatever reason (and it might be a good one) she may have. Live your own life and keep your !@#$% out of mine or risk losing it.

Bingo, softdude!

You are brilliant and correct--and summed it up perfectly!

Thank you!

I've had this test. It is no picnic. It is not a quick. Pushing, jabbing. Tech too busy looking at the ultrasound to notice I had blanched white with sweat rolling off my face onto the paper cover. I thought I could handle anything given what I had been through. This is the closest I want to get to being raped. It is a degrading test.

I am sick and tired of men and women telling me what I should do - could do - would do. Mind your own damn business. I'll mind mine. I'll not take a dime of your tax money and you won't tell-dictate to me how to live my life. My life - my choice - damn the lot of them.

People are fools to think they can outlaw abortion. Fools - didn't stop it when kitchen tables and back room floors were used as operating tables - never stopped a woman from pushing a coat hanger up her vagina either. it never stopped Comet Cleaners douches. It never stopped first year med students from earning extra cash while women bled to death from lousy procedures performed in garages either. It didn't stop the docs from bringing in the rich women for 'D&C's' since they could afford the nice fluffy pillows either.

Conservatives are acting like Muslim on many issue, this also want of them. We also know how a government based on religion looks like and now GOP want that as well.

You know what, so many of your idea are in Muslim society, you all would fit well by coming there.

The Evilgilicals Christ was not a politician. He didn't try to start his own political party so he could make laws and force his beliefs onto others and legislate morality. He taught it. Their Christ was a teacher. Maybe these Evilgilicals should start following the written word and quit trying to govern other peoples lives like hypocrites.

If I remember correctly many of the Evilgilical leaders turn out to be what they preach against. Druggies, fornicators, homosexuals, Adulterers, etc...

CuongDNguyen - You know what this reminded me of when I heard about it? Islamic courts sentencing women to be raped by the village men. This is beyond disgusting. Brought to you by the state that elected a guy who wrote a master's thesis about the evils of 'co-habitators, homosexuals and fornicators.' OMG. What century is this again? I had planned on moving to VA, but I'm now determined to never spend a single dollar in that state.

Amen - the GOP will continue to push their anti-woman agenda. There's another outrageous plan on the horizon to dehumanize women, at any cost. And if Santorum is elected (god forbid), watch out. It'll really get even uglier than it all is today.

Why does the GOP love to violate women any way them can? I've yet to see the GOP present any legislation for mandatory vasectomies for men starting at age 12; or at least mandatory, irreversible vasectomies for all men who have impregnated single women, or any woman against her will. Or figure out a way to make such men endure a life of erectile dysfunction. End of story. That just might stop these sexist bafoons dead in their tracks.

Unfortunately the bigots and misogynists are a voting majority in Virginia and that's who is to blame for our current state. Living in solidly democratic Richmond is starting to feel like being trapped in West Berlin surrounded by East Germany.

Ditto for Austin in Texas.

Colorado Springs, too. Thankfully there are liberal areas (Denver & Boulder) to keep the Santorum crowd in check.

Sooooooo, the momma won't be required to view ultrasound because then the truth would come out that the baby they are killing is not 'just a lump of cells', but an authentic, living, feeling, dependant little human being- an innocent baby.

And then there is Alabama..sigh.

T momma,

You aren't interested in the life of "innocent" babies.

You want women to suffer God's punishment for what Eve did in the garden of Eden.

You want women to suffer sacred punishment for having sex.

Completely, utterly disgusting, particularly coming from a woman.

I'm sick and tired of this purient nonsense dribbling from the mouths of those who believe the rights of the unborn should take precedence over the rights of an adult, productive citizen without whose womb the unborn cannot survive. I'm sick of being told the lies that people like you spout regarding a woman's right to chose when to bear a child, and I'm sick and tired of the absolutely disgusting belief that all womaen are punished by God with lust and birth and child-rearing because of what Eve did.

This whole thing sickens me.

And here's the thing, so you are in no doubt as to what the Virginia Legislature is trying to do: Women forced to endure invasive vaginal procedures as a pre-requisite for termination of a pregnancy are being sexually assaulted by their own government when that procedure is forced upon them by law. Again, this harks back to this perverted, disgusting idea that women deserve punishment for being female.

Oregon native - I think the pharmaceutical companies would back your punishment of the life of impotence. Might be one of the few times I would agree with them!

Chaos: You sicken me. Every woman knows she can get pregnant if she has sex. Stop thinking that women are so dumb that it doesn't occur to them. And unless she was raped, the pregnancy came about because she CHOSE it to happen. Birth control is not always effective, so unless she is willing to say no, she takes a risk everytime she says yes to a man. It's time for you to man up! Not all women agree with you, so stop thinking you speak for all women.

Unhappy - well, don't you dare to pretend you speak for all women either. In fact, most women - unless part of the Xtian Taliban - would disagree with you.

Abortion is legal in the US - you can have your opinion about that - but BUTT OUT of other women's business.

Unhappy...

typical fundie claptrap.

Human women do not automatically get pregnant every time they have sex. That's the same purient garbage I spoke about, sick, disgusting, and downright evil.

To re-iterate: anti-abortion stances are about religious dogma, not innocent life, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either lying through their teeth, or blindly ignorant of their own holy scripture.

I do not speak for all women. I do not care if women disagree with me. Unlike those such as you, I know they have minds of their own, and should be free to use them.

As a human being unable to give birth through the constraints of gender, is not my damned business anyway to tell a woman whether or not she should give birth.

Neither is it your's, or any other fundie nut-job's.

But you better damned well believe that women having the CHOICE whether or not to have a baby is important to me. It is their CIVIL RIGHT under THE LAW. And if you or anyone else thinks for one moment that MEN like me will stand idlly by and watch the women in their lives be denigrated, marginalized and denied their freedom by misogynistic christian fundie creeps, you've got another damned thing coming.

So much for me, making the likes of you sick.

Roe v Wade? Heard of it? Still law of land.

Look David, until the day you can bear and birth a child like your Mother did, it's not up to you.....The best way, proven by many studies, to reduce abortions is to give women choice and more control over their bodies, not less......I mean, really! How disingenuous!

NC - exactly! And, since abortions have been legal, the number of abortions performed have gone down.

.....The best way, proven by many studies, to reduce abortions is to give women choice and more control over their bodies, ...

Hmm ... that would require measures such as medically accurate sex education. The GOP opposes that, too. They want a return to the double-standards of the 1950's ... men who sleep around get winked at, while women are supposed to remain virginal until marriage. This 21st century notion that a man should remain faithful to his wife, even when she's sick, is really started to cut into the sex lives of our politicians.

If it's "unborn" it's not a child. It's a fetus, embryo, or zygote.

GOP would think a chicken egg is like a chicken.

They have no interest in pro-life whatsoever, all they care about is to enforce their religious' belief on everyone else.

You know who did that? MUSLIM, GOP would go well together with MUSLIM on this and on government control by religious.

You do not even have to speak of fetus, cells or zygote... bring it back to reality.

A woman is an ACTUAL life... until the moment of a baby's first breath outside the mother, it is a POTENTIAL life, and according to my religion (Jewish), the ACTUAL life of the woman takes precedence over the POTENTIAL life of the pregnancy. If the mother's life is in danger, it is required to save her, even if an abortion is necessary. So I wish these fundamentalist Christian politicians would stop trying to force their own religious precepts onto other people of faith who's religious laws are moral and predate their own.

I concur. He was great last night.

Yeah, absolutely. One of those moments I get slightly mad at Stewart for showing me yet one more blatant, outrageous sign of the right-wing hypocrisy.

A day without the Daily Show or Colbert Report is like a day without sunlight.....Real National Treasures in my opinion.

I had the opportunity to go to the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear. One of the coolest days of my life. Talk about making sense.

Just barely, LRSA. Just barely. Let's hope it doesn't get any more watered down than it is.

Sarah: Your heart is the biggest and you're aces in my book. Great assessment. :D)

Ahhhh, now I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy. I need to go eat a fetus.

Thanks, Fed! :)

:D)

I agree whole heartedly with ALMOST everything you wrote. The government wouldn't be "legally allowed to rape women." The government would be madating that the woman's doctor rape her. Which would be grounds for suing the doctor, who would then lose their license just because the crazies on the right think that government should be small enough to fit into a womans uterus.

hahaha. "eat a fetus"

Priceless.

I'm digging you Sarah.

Hear hear. :)

Really well said Sarah

Good post Sarah. You are absolutely right, and that is why the abortion "debate" will never end. If you believe that life begins at conception, then abortion is murder. If you believe that life begins at birth, then abortion is morally equivalent to clipping your toenails. And if you believe that life begins somewhere between, you're really in a quandry.

Your post is excellent, Sarah. The Patriarchy needs to wake up and realize it ain't all that without the Matriarchy. We're supposed to form a team, families, communities, men and women working, living and loving together. The particular unions are not the vital ones to the globe, it's the overriding ideologies whipping the folks around. It's supposed to be a dance, not a beatdown. What could possibly be less intelligent than destroying your womenfolk if you care about the long-term at all? Ah, boys, boys everywhere, my kingdom for a man!

Sarah - I just found out it's not all good news - McDonell hurriedly scribbled a new bill that requires women to have an ultra-sound and the legislatures were given thirty minutes to read it and I believe it's been signed

Al Sharpton just had a Democrat from Virginia saying the only difference was "no probe" still required, still invasive morally and mentally - still paid by the woman

Well Son of a Bi*$&, but I can't say I'm shocked. At least the probing is no longer allowed. I would love someone to explain to me how the individual mandate is too invasive, how businesses associated with a church having to offer access to contraception is too invasive, but this, the government being allowed to mandate our interactions and decisions in our most personal and private relationships, those being doctor/patient, they look at say, "Meh, no biggie".

What a freaking load, of steaming hot dookie.

Please, someone give me a legal argument why this should be allowed.

Amen, Amen, Sarah, couldn't have put it better myself! Perfectly, succinctly put!

Politics and religions have always created negative issues on abortions!. Again Again adding more restrictions on women's right to choose. OMG, leave it ALONE. Work on Health care for all,and day care for our childrens to assist parents financially,and emotionally so they may feel more comfortable, to prevent bad babysitter on hurting the innocents.

Well Head Priest,

First, you won't ever have to pay for an abortion, seeing as the Hyde Amendment prohibits any tax payer money from funding them. So, phew, on that one, right?

Second, it's preventative care. Obviously you have issues with women having sex, so we'll outline this in terms that won't scare you too much.

Okay, imagine a married woman, has a genetic disease which would cause any pregnancy on her part to be either fatal, or high risk, or she could pass this on to her kid. It's cheaper all around, to provide her with the most dependable, least invasive, and easiest form of birth control, than it is to deal with the complications that would arise from pregnancy in either her or the kid.

Not as cheap as gripping an Aspirin between my knees, but alas, it's 2012.

On top of that, you have to contribute, for the same reason I have to contribute. And don't worry, I'll be helping you pay for those prostate exams, because I'd rather shell out a lesser amount, than have to pay more when your balls fall off, or whatever happens if you guys don't get that checked out.

And, I'm not gonna lie, you come across as creepy. You're not like out hunting prostitutes, in order to fulfill your misogynistic fantasies are you?

Not Christ-like though, you sure as hell, don't sound Christ-like.

How come it's always the women's fault. She sure didn't get pregnant by herself. And how about the men who father child after child going from bed to bed and supporting none of them. Maybe he should be snipped but the GOP isn't interested in what the men are doing just how they can put women down.

So the governor that believes that a pat-down before getting on an airplane (which isn't a civil right) is too invasive... But that forcing a woman to have an ultrasound isn't?

Priest

stick with th BOYS in the choir

I have no problem with MUSLIM generally, but one thing I hate most about MUSLIM is how they trample on the rights of women and effectively making them slave.

How are GOP different from MUSLIM? Not so much, they are more alike in many issue, including how much rights a woman should have.

You may try to deny it, but MUSLIM and GOP are based everything on religious' belief, which the biggest problem with freedom and liberty.

Cuong, you really need to stop focusing on MUSLIM. As long as you continue to do that you're showing you don't really understand. That's like blaming this whole ultrasound thing on CHRISTIAN. There are millions of Christians of many different forms of belief. A large portion of which are, for instance, in favor of gay marriage. And while the Christian churches may not be "pro-choice", many Christians from all flavors of Christianity in fact support the right of a woman to choose for herself rather than having fundamentalist beliefs imposed on them.

Because that's the core of the problem, for both Muslim and Christian based religious issues--the fundamentalist, Islamist/Christianist (yes I'm making that word up :P) extreme branch of the culture is trying to force anyone who doesn't believe as they do to live by their moral code anyway.

But just as with the variety of Christians, many of whom have no interest in an American theocracy, there are also many Muslims who have no interest in imposing Sharia law on everyone (or even living by it).

Either way, this issue has nothing to do with Muslims, any more than it has to do with Christians. All it is is right-wing extreme religious fundamentalists. Doesn't matter which faith.

They'd have to pull the sticks out first.....

There are so many corporations already crammed in there that I don't think there's room for a probe...

They're Republican. That means that half of them are in the closet. They already know!

Good idea, trust! Works for me...yep.

trust2112--

Excellent comment!!!!

They would first have to remove their cranium.

There's nothing intelligent in his actions. If the man were intelligent he could not possibly have made the argument he made in his University (sorta) thesis. He's crass, thinks he's smart, but so do Rick Perry and Herman Cain. These guys have drunk the kool-aid, we can just hang back and watch 'em drop. They won't be talked out of their suicide mission by reason.

FormerMarine,

I don't know where you get your info, but my girlfriends and I go every Friday night. It's the happening place to be, you know. A couple Zimas, a couple abortions, and you've got a rip roaring good time. ;)

Former, I applaud what you say and agree with all but one part of it. The governor didn't realize what was right though. He knew that he went over a political line and that this horrendous bill would be a huge problem for him. That's what he realized.

Jean,

Are you being sarcastic??? I really hope you are, because if you aren't, you just made yourself look incredibly silly. I highly suggest you go read post #8, or post #8.12, or post #9.1, prior to calling me any more names.

If you are being sarcastic, I suggest you put some sort of emoticon, or /s after what you say, otherwise, you're going to continue to be misinterpreted.

Jean,

Just read the rest of your posts. I can, absolutely say, I'm not the idiot here. Seriously, take the time to at least read, before calling people names. Nothing is quite as stupid, as making a mistake about who you're calling stupid, huh?

You're not doing liberals any favors. It sounds just as ridiculous and ignorant when pro-choice people troll and call names.

Why don't you try composing something thoughtful instead of manically posting left and right about people being idiots because of their beliefs. It might cut back on the number of times you call people who SHARE your beliefs, idiots for their beliefs.

They are not allowed to DO the CHOIR BOYS anymore so who do they fokke now

Here's the really scary part: A woman legislator, Kathy Byron, came up with this one. She said she didn't realize that it would involve such an invasive procedure. Here's a thought, how about the government stay out of trying to legislate medical procedures and leave it to the doctors and their patients?

The ultrasound is also an additional costly burden on the woman. Republicans are all for saving money, except when they aren't. Just like they're all for keeping the government small, but they want it big enough to invade the bedroom.

Is that wrong! I tihnk you are my ex wife,i can tell from your verbage!We.we.we,I,I,I!

Hugs to FUBO! Your are so right on, Baby! Now my heart soars with hope again. Pay attention, boys of the GOP, witness a man. I'm with you!

Our founders were white men, but not all were old (Jefferson was in his 30's, Adams in his 40's, I believe). But, the main difference compared to the old white men (OWM) now in power is that today's OWM are terrified of the future. Our founding fathers, on the other hand, were the force behind one of the most momentous changes in the world, as Fubo points out. They weren't conservatives. For their day, they were downright radical.

Today's OWM lack imagination and drive. Unlike our founding fathers, they can't imagine a better world.

Fubo, well said and I thank you...applause.

Cathy, I agree with you. It is ridiculous and another ploy to get poor women to not have access.

Barry, you are right. The fear of not being in complete control of everything is a scary thing, and they are grasping at everything they can grab to keep it.

Excellent comments here overall!

Now PLEASE remember to vote in November--and more specifically--vote the "Repulsive" Far Right Nuts out of office!!!!

Is it just me or does it seem that the Repulsives are "hopping mad" about the lousy economy but all they focus on is eliminating women's rights--especially rights to privacy AND making their own medical decisions????????

Well the GOP is nothing if they're not consistent in their hypocrisy. Anything that infringes upon their rights to do what they want is outrageous. As is any attempt to do anything they disapprove of even when it doesn't impact their lives in the slightest. It's becoming cliche but seriously, as far as I can tell their only problem with the Taliban is that it's not the "right" religion.

...could it be some of the teapublicans have underestimated the backlash headed their way from women?

Not at all. They've just forgotten that women CAN vote because they're still living in the 19th century.

It isn't entirely implausible. After all, Rick Perry didn't know that 18 year olds could vote!

I was married to an RN who informed me that ultrasound is a standard procedure with pregnant women. I 'have no dog' in the abortion issue but, for the life of me, I can't understand why it is good to keep a mother ignorant about the status of her fetus.

Ultra sound screening takes place over the belly, not with a "vaginal probe." I guess ignorance is not to be limited to abortion-seeking mothers.

I had no idea, until this bill, that there were transvaginal ultrasounds. I have two kids, one only 10 months old and all of my ultrasounds were performed on my stomach. They purposely picked the method to punish the girls seeking an abortion.

Amanda, everyone knows that women must be punished for having sex. Its even worse if they actually enjoyed it. Fortunately, I'm sure the the VA legislature is working to address that, too.

There are 'trans-vaginal' ultrasounds done quite often Genial. The purpose that my dear friend had one done was to check the thickness of her uterine lining. It's a VERY invasive and unpleasant procedure also. I guess you didn't ask to many questions of your RN wife huh.

Genial, unless your wife was an ob/gyn nurse she is not necessarily familiar with how and when those probes are used. You are astoundingly ignorant on this subject and you are not a woman, so how about you get some education. In early pregnancy or when they need to monitor the length of the cervix, or for some other issues they DO use a transvaginal probe. Also, you are clueless if you don't get what the difference is between a woman who willingly participates in getting ultrasounds when pregnant or for some other reason and the forced internal probe this bill mandated.

Just so any of you men (or women it seems) can get an education on what this actually means, having a transvaginal ultrasound means that a woman has to remove any underwear, pants, or skirts she has on and be naked from the waist down (except for socks). She must lie down on a table, scoot down to the edge, and left her legs into stirrups so her genitals are exposed under a thin sheet.

Then the tech puts gel on the probe, which is several inches long, and opens her enough to insert it. The whole time the tech is doing the ultrasound the woman has to lie there and feel this uncomfortable and sometimes painful probing around INSIDE her vagina. I'm not squeamish at all, but I can tell you as a mother of twins who had several of these when pregnant that depending on your medical history (past sexual abuse, abuse, or rape, childhood molestation makes this seriously not a pleasant thing for some) you may feel pain, discomfort, aches from lying there that long on that awful table, may be freezing or shivery, or may be lucky enough not to mind too much lying there with some stranger probing you and your legs spread out.

Now I was happily pregnant with twins and I knew it had to be done for our safety, but I can tell you that you men have NO clue how all that feels and NO right to say it isn't a big deal (general..not anyone in particular). Also, if it was uncomfortable to me even though my situation was happy I can imagine how I would have felt if I had made the awful decision that I had to have an abortion, maybe from a rape ( you know, where something was stuck in my vagina that I didn't want????), maybe from an abusive situation, molestation, failure of my birth control or the man's, or from bad judgement or mistiming of my cycle and had to lie there and endure that violation!!!!! How can any doctor participate in that???

So anyone who says tmi, too bad. This is the reality of that horrible bill that isn't being said, and saying that it can just be an abdominal ultrasound doesn't take away the feeling of being forced to endure humiliation and come up with money I might not have just so some religious group that I don't even belong to can feel as if they have suitably punished me.

Notice the only men involved in that humiliation would be possibly be doctors (authority figure), techs (authority figure) or other health care workers who would happen to be male. None of them had to lie there and have any unnecessary medical procedures done or foot the bill for my "punishment". None of the lawmakers had to find a way there or lie on the table, either.

I vote that every man who voted for or presented that bill be forced to have a rectal ultrasound and an explanation of the procedure while he watches on a screen and every woman get a transvaginal one. I think they should all have to pay for them, too. Enough is enough. He may have backed down a bit for now, but this was the intent and it WILL happen if we all don't make it clear that this isn't okay. The intent is to eliminate all access to abortion and really even basic medical care for anyone who can't pay out of pocket, to make sure women don't have access to contraception, and to be allowed to punish a woman whom some man might think didn't care for her pregnancy well enough or who he doesn't like or feels is too liberal or "spreads her legs" to easily as can happen with a personhood bill.

Just read the comments on here if you think I am exaggerating. Look at the bills that have been put up in many states...this isn't coming. It's already here and unless women and men all speak out this country will become a religious state where it is acceptable to treat citizens this way. I don't want that for my daughters or your wives or grandchildren, and unless we speak up it will happen.

I had to have a trans-vaginal ultrasoud just over 2 years ago, not a pleasant procedure when it is done WITH your approval, I cannot imagine being subjected to it against your will