Oil tank blast shakes Galveston, Texas

After several hours, firefighters have extinguished a blaze from an oil tank explosion in Galveston, Texas. Msnbc.com's Dara Brown reports.

GALVESTON, Texas -- A crude oil tank exploded and burned at a biodiesel plant on the waterfront docks in Galveston, Texas, rattling the island city Thursday.

KPRC reported that about 35 firefighters were called in to tackle the three-alarm blaze.

A worker was treated for smoke inhalation but no other injuries were reported, city spokeswoman Alicia Cahill told The Associated Press.


Cahill said one tank burned after the 7:30 p.m. (8:30 p.m. ET) Thursday explosion, but firefighters worked to keep neighboring tanks cool.

Speaking to KPRC, Cahill said boiling crude oil fed the flames -- which made the fire difficult to contain.

A shelter-in-place order for nearby Texas A&M University at Galveston was lifted after two hours, and the nearby traffic arteries and bridge to Pelican Island were opened by midnight.

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A tank containing light crude oil exploded in Galveston, Texas, on Thursday night.

Fire companies from Texas City and La Marque came from mainland Texas to join their Galveston counterparts in fighting the fire on the city's northern waterfront.

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Not to really go with the explosion - but the price of gas, gas for our car's take's over our earnings, so it is best to stay at home and break even and just collect off the government - not what i want, but if it comes to that, so be it. I have never collected from the gov, i'm 51, and ready to get some benefits- OB sucks not just

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#1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:44 AM EST

Has anyone given any consideration to the fact that by the grace of God, no one was hurt or killed? This incident is no good for anyone. The cost eventually will make it's way back to the consumer. I personally believe that I will reserve judgment ON the issue until after an investigation is conducted.

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#1.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:38 AM EST

@Cub T...Have you given it any consideration to the fact that there might not be a god ?

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#1.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:51 AM EST

Yes, sometimes I will admit I have doubts that there is a greater power. Especially when you see the condition that the world is in. And then I realize that if that is indeed the case then what's the use? If you or your loved one is facing a possible imminent death who do YOU turn to?

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#1.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:20 AM EST

Just lucky no one was in a position to get hurt. God and grace had nothing to do with it! Good to have doubts cause there isn't a greater power.....or...maybe the FED might be?????????

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#1.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:41 AM EST

Pity the poor worker who will be blamed for causing the fire. After a hap hazard investigation no safety violations will be found ( like they are really looking for some ). The end result will be pin the tail on the donkey. Human error will be the official finding .

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#1.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:29 AM EST

I would turn to my arsenal.

Everyone says prey and have faith that God will save you. Well have you ever thought that God gave you the man who invented the XM8?

My God was Drill Sergeant Halcomb and Drill Sergeant Alexander who taught me how to fish so I can feed myself for life.

    #1.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:02 AM EST

    they probably said pray not prey

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    #1.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:23 AM EST

    My GOD is a loving GOD with a sense of humor. Consider the makeup of the Human mind and body - we are walking computers with RAM for short term memory and a brain hard drive for memory storage.

    Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen - when you get free will, your choices bring about consequences good or not so good - if I make the choice to jump out of tree and break my leg that was one of the potentially hazardous things that could have happened to me.

    People usually lose faith when catastrophes happen - how could GOD let that happen? @!$%# just happens, I don't imagine GOD sitting at a Computer screen saying lets have that plane crash today or let's have superman fly over there and lift the plane up - @!$%# Happens!

    The payoff is that when you die - no matter who you are or what you believe, God brings you home to the pain-free presence of love -that is called "Grace' . . .

    • 5 votes
    #1.9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:24 AM EST

    @howmanyfingers

    have you considered that perhaps god is real and your days are numbered?!?!

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    #1.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:42 AM EST

    How is it that all these atheist are such vitriolic obama supporters???

    Obama is a Christian(????)??????

    Can't remember wasn't it the atheist that took the Pledge of Allegiance out off the classroom, Just curious???

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    #1.11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST

    The problem with this country isn't the government, it is its psychotic citizens that blame every facet of their lifestyle on the government... C'mon people GET A LIFE! This is an industrial FIRE, Its not a political referendum! This was caused by a static charge, lightening strike or faulty equipment! No government lit this, what makes you think oil companies or governments need an excuse to raise prices, if they need money they just do it, period! This was only biodiesel, the most in-effecient fuel on the planet, this will not affect supply or demand for the rest of the country.

    • 2 votes
    #1.12 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST

    tell that to the guy that just inhaled toxic fumes. hopefully he won't get sick in close to the same way that 1st responders did. Gawd wasn't looking out for him...sorry.

      #1.13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:33 AM EST

      WTF are you people talking about? What does this article have to do with God or politics? Get over yourselves.

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      #1.14 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:41 PM EST

      If I were a fireman, I'd be headed to that fire thinking, I'm about to stand next to a giant container full of explosive fuel....how stupid am I? It's not always in your best interests to think logically - when it comes to collecting a paycheck. I don't blame those cops in New Orleans who abandoned their posts after Katrina - in the end - logic comes to those who put survival first.

        #1.15 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:35 AM EST
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        Obama is attacking our oil on our land now. He really wants you to buy a volt.

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        Reply#2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:35 AM EST

        You have it all wrong. I checked and George Bush did it

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        #2.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:49 AM EST

        No fellas, its the timing. Since there is no real shortage we have to create one. After considering many options, the storage facility was deemed to be the most viable way to do this. You notice no lives were lost, just an early wake up call for the citizens and forty firemen had to earn their pay. Tomorrow we'll tell you about the shut down of a refinery due for "scheduled" maintenance. We got the oil all right but its the nasty accidents and maintainance problems which are creating the short supply of gasoline. That's what is adding to the cost of gas, ahem, with face looking down. Please President Obama, exercise your power to declare a National oil emergency. The Federal Government could step in and take control of all distribution and production of petroleum products. We would probably have to invade Texas with troops to do it but I haven't liked that State every since they killed Kennedy in oil Boom Town.

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        #2.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:15 AM EST

        Dick Cheney had another missile fly into it just like the Pentagon.

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        #2.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:05 AM EST

        I heard yesterday that we have so much gasoline and such low demand that we are exporting it.

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        #2.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:24 AM EST

        @Mary Ann - And I'd have guessed he was out hunting again. 'Course, there's nothing to hunt on Galveston but students and tourists.

          #2.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:17 PM EST

          Isn't this the proposed terminus of the Canadian cross America pipe line? See, and some of you thought it might be dangerous to build another distillation, Oil shipping point on the gulf. No one wants to see an oil spill in the Great Lakes, it could be a real problem. Its much better to move the oil across 1,700 miles to a really safe point on the Gulf.

          Its not quite under control yet... but they are working on and the public is safe. nothing new here, keep moving. Don't dawdle -- keep moving.

            #2.7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:24 PM EST
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            This is just another EXCUSE to raise Gas Prices.

            And for your information TransCanada threatened that Gas Prices would go up unless Obama agreed to the Keystone Pipeline. Apparently those who want him out of office are putting pressure to throw him out by any means possible and this is just one more.

            See, it doesn't matter if oil is running out because the extremely wealthy can afford whatever fuel price or food hike that comes about. They don't care because they will always have something to eat and an army to protect them if something goes down.

            China subsidizes their products and keeps them artificially priced low when we originally had tariffs in order to maintain jobs here in the states. Now that everything has been pushed out of the way in the form of "FREE TRADE" China is killing us in Alternative Energy products like Solar Cells.

            You people JUST DON'T GET IT!

            We as a nation REFUSE to invest in anything other than oil because that's where the big bucks are and when it runs out then what? What's your plan when you can't work or afford food?

            We put such a low price on the human race that we just don't care until the very end.

            It doesn't matter if in the 70's that lakes could be set on fire and that the land and rivers were polluted let's get rid of Obama so we can get rid of those rotten regulations holding us back from a profit!

            Let's get rid of the minimum wage so they can pay you like a slave because if you don't accept it some foreigner from down south will GLADLY do the job for nothing.

            It doesn't MATER if Wallstreet just took your 401K while under the Bush administration.

            It doesn't MATTER if the $150,000 dollar home you own is now worth $65,000 while under Bush.

            It doesn't MATTER that he tried to privatize and invest your Social Security with his cronies on Wallstreet too and that would be gone as well.

            It certainly doesn't Matter while under Bush with the first 700 Billion we the people said no but the Senate did it anyway. Henry Paulson was the mastermind behind that and his buddies were the ones bailed out.

            But noooo, do anything you can to get rid of Obama because he's such a bad man that inherited what was literally the destruction of the worlds economy from greedy, wealthy men who could care less about you living or dying.

            I cannot believe the shear Stupidity of the American people especially if you vote for Mitt Romney.

            You deserve everything that happens to you if he get's into office.

            ANY Republican at this point is nothing but shear greed and just plain evil.

            Just watch the land grab from imminent domain from that Keystone Pipeline and the destruction of our Aquifers and wild life all so the rich get richer. Also, how do you just love a pipeline from one end of the country to the other. Just beautiful GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRYYYYYYYYY!

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            #3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:48 AM EST

            mary ann--What's your plan when you can't work or afford food?

            what's your plan when you have to buy your healthcare? you pay the fine instead. if anyone thinks they are hungry now just wait. obama is hammering the last nail in the coffin.

            • 9 votes
            #3.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:21 AM EST

            we the people said no to healthcare but the Senate did it anyway

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            #3.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:27 AM EST

            See the problem is Everyone wanted health care that was the platform Obama campaigned on and when everyone found out there was no FREE RIDE they had buyers remorse so who's fault is that, yea he was elected by majority don't forget that little fact ... And we all can see why the gas prices are going up we don't need no puppet to tell us that, why should the People of America take the risk of having that pipe line rupture somewhere and ruin the drinking water, the American people have nothing to gain, it will not keep the GREEDY oil people from hiking the price of gas or heating oil ..........

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            #3.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:41 AM EST

            Wow Mary Ann, It would appear from your post that you either are unemployed or have rotten credit and you, like so many others in your predicament, continue to blame everyone else. Quit your whining and stand on your own two feet for a change.

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            #3.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:47 AM EST

            Actually Chartsweb, beings Obama ran on healtcare in his platform and was elected by an actual majority of the people, you'd have to say that the majority of the people said "yes", if anything, it didn't go far enough, but it's a good start!!

            • 6 votes
            #3.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:52 AM EST

            Fire...let's get one thing straight.....the majority of people who voted, not the majority of people.

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            #3.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:00 AM EST

            Well JPEG, if they did not vote, they have no right to blat about it after the fact. He was elected by the majority that DID vote.

            • 4 votes
            #3.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:40 AM EST

            If you stayed at home and did not vote than you really voted for whoever won.

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            #3.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:47 AM EST

            You seem to forget that the PEOPLE voted for Obama because the Republicans wrecked the economy.

            The PEOPLE actually voted for Al Gore but because of the interesting setup in this country he lost.

            The PEOPLE said no to the Bailouts but they did it anyway.

            This is the kind of Government Bush ran, he cared less about what the PEOPLE wanted.

            The PEOPLE wanted Obama to instill his Healthcare and he gave it to him.

            Whether my opinions are right or wrong I believe that Capitalism has no use anymore in a Global economy. We have no rights in this country anymore and the government controls us not the other way around.

            Thomas Jefferson himself said that the constitution should be ripped up and rewritten every couple hundred years because the world changes.

            You can whine all you want, you can call me whatever but it's still not going to change any of that facts in this case. We are held hostage by large corporations and those with the gold.

            Obama has proven that he is for the common man or whatever is left of the Middle class.

            I spent my entire Military career in Europe and until you actually go there and experience their way of life then all you are is an armchair critic that has never been farther than their own back yard.

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            #3.9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:13 AM EST

            Not sure how long your military career was, but if you spent more than a year in Europe than you should know better then to try and bring it here.

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            #3.10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:28 AM EST

            The PEOPLE wanted Obama to instill his Healthcare and he gave it to him.

            remember that when your hungary. and it was your house and senate that voted the bailouts

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            #3.11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:53 AM EST

            MaryAnn, Thomas Jefferson also said, Democracy ceases to exist when those who work are forced to support those who refuse to.

            Many liked the idea of National health till the price started to become public, and the average worker realized that he would be paying more for less.

            People bought overpriced homes in a high market have no one to blame but themselves when the market crashed. Housing goes up and down all the time. No one forced them to buy those homes.

            I certainly didn't vote for Al Gore. And with all his "Global warming" lies coming into view now, I'm glad I didn't.

            My husband and son are both career military, and I'm certainly glad you're not in it anymore.

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            #3.12 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:55 AM EST

            this happens before every election, big oil is a despot in control of almost every country. Personally 5$ a gallon gas doesn't scare me as much as the GOP/TP and their crazy leaders. They are actively working to stop any other kind of energy that might emerge, I have watched this happen for 70 years. MaryAnn is correct.....capitalism has eaten its young and we are screwed.

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            #3.13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:11 AM EST

            I didn't vote Al Gore either but the majority of the people did.

            I don't believe in Global warming.

            What you BELIEVE that I am no longer in the service is also your opinion but just remember I PAID for your sins with MY OWN BLOOD and a good friend of mine is dead for you as well so sleep on that.

            As far as the housing crash it was a huge scam and not EVERYONE that bought a house couldn't afford one.

            You forget about all those businesses that had to shut down and people lost their jobs so they couldn't pay their mortgages. My own house value dropped $100,000 and I still pay the same amount at 6% as I did before all of this even though my house is worth less than I owe.

            Don't give me your holier than thou BS because that's all it is.

            Our entire economy is based of of housing and car loans and they were all screwed over by Wallstreet betting that was previously outlawed by that regulation was dropped by Bush.

            Do some research.

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            #3.14 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:16 AM EST

            You paid for my sins with blood?? In Europe...are you a WW2 vet or what...me thinks you belong with the "Pinocchio Of Pennsylvinia Avenue" and all his less than truthful ways....This from a combat Marine with two tours in viet nam and truely did shed blood for fools like you......

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            #3.15 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:27 AM EST

            Before they closed Ramstein it was just a short hop to the Middle East you moron.

            I have Marines in my group at James Haley and they don't seem to be idiots that dog other vets, maybe it's just your one of the dumb Jar heads.

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            #3.16 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:44 AM EST

            ... we the people said no to healthcare but the Senate did it anyway ...

            Nope... thats not the way I remember it.

            You people said no to Health care; We said yes. There was some debate, a few compromises where made, yada, yada, yada..

            Then we voted (our representatives voted) and you lost, get over it - something else will come up and we can dance again. Ya' can't win them all, but the good ones seem to make it through.

              #3.17 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST
              Reply

              There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Iranians living in the Houston/Galveston area. I wonder if there's a connection ?

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              Reply#4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:51 AM EST

              I'll bet there's thousands of Republicans living there too.....I wonder if there's a connection? Probably tens of thousands of Mexicans.....and so on and so forth. I'd be willing to bet that there's more than a few oil speculators also. And......I'll bet thre was also insurance on the tank and its contents, who would win and who would lose in that?

              • 4 votes
              #4.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:42 AM EST

              to Chartsweb,

              WE the people actually voted for Heathcare, maybe you didn't but the majority ruled just like the MAJORITY voted in Obama because we were sick and tired of getting crapped on.

              As far as MY healthcare, mine is taken care of for the rest of my life for serving my country.

              Maybe you should have looked into that instead of sitting on your rear all these years.

              ALL Veterans EARN their keep and deserve everything you woos-us refused to do.

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              #4.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST

              mary ann--

              then you do not have the worry of going hungry due to paying for your healthcare. and i appreciate your service for me and the country i respect you for that. whoever the vet was on here disrespecting you i would not want him watching my back

                #4.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:08 AM EST
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                Well, what the hell is the cause of the explosion? It doesn`t even speculate, but I`m sure some speculating will be going on a long ways from the fire,...like, perhaps, up on Wall Street, which will also, most likely, be blowing up today.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:16 AM EST

                If nothing else, Randy, it'll certainly serve as an excuse to gouge us at the pumps. Any excuse will do it seems.

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                #5.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:23 AM EST

                I see that I`m not the only one who is awake. At least, its wont be surprise rear-ending we are getting. The market is being manipulated and most of us know it and, of course, they will blame it all on Iran to sell their war, while eroding our freedoms at home with their scare tactics. Its like I can picture their rhetoric already. Heck, I should apply for a job as a 'sell-some-more-bs-to-the-America-people' news editor.

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                #5.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:18 AM EST

                no blame it on bush.

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                #5.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:00 AM EST

                Even Bill O'Reilly says we are being hosed by big oil.....

                  #5.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:13 AM EST

                  Most likely that tank held 100,000 barrels or less of the crude oil....hardly enough to caue a spike in th price of gas...although saying no to the pipeline from Canada will.....

                    #5.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:30 AM EST

                    Well now ~ that settles it. End of debate. If Billious O'Reilly says so, it is truth to the ninth decimal place. A former high school history teacher is surely an expert in the international crude oil market. I wonder if O'Reilly has his "investigators" working on this atrocity? O'Reilly is an opinionated, overbearing baffoon who is in love with the sound of his own voice. The Righties have several in that category ~ Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Savage, Ingrahm, Coulter, North, et al. You will notice that none of these have recognition for their personal contribution to life but rather they make a living criticizing the contributions of others. Nice work ~ if you can get it

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                    #5.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:45 AM EST

                    Same reason that cause the explosions a few years back, human error. It can be unsettling to hear that sound when you live on an island with not too many places to run. A ship sitting out in the shipping channel that was having some work done on it and some spark set off a blast that rattled my home and almost broke windows 2 miles west on the island. Now that was an explosion, they did not say, but I don't think they found all the pieces on those two poor guys doing the work. Living on an Island with one road off and it runs right near those oil tanks gives you a reason to talk to God and keep your ducks in a row. Before I moved to West Texas I lived in my hometown of Galveston. There are a lot of thing wrong there, but the bad things are out weighted by the good. I will take Galveston blast, hurricanes and all any day over this area of Texas. Wish I had the funds to move back.

                      #5.7 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST
                      Reply

                      pay more for gas and fuel , oh well oil well that ends well !

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                      Reply#6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:16 AM EST

                      Explosions go back to Biblical times, but all of a sudden Obama or the Iranians are causing them. You might also blame the oil companies as they would have the most to gain - next to the oil speculators. As for the gouging at the pumps, it's going to be the poor attendants who have to work for nothing who take all of the abuse from the "big thinkers" on this issue. And gas station "owners' usually get about $1 for every 50 dollars of fuel that is sold. I'll be glad when we run out of oil so we won't have to endure all the ignorance on this issue.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:19 AM EST

                      I see Crackheads News Network (CNN) gave it a 1.5 second spot. Doesn't top Lin-sanity T-shirts, or sex tapes just yet. But, the day ain't over.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:31 AM EST

                      Hey CUB T.

                      I'm retired Military and I don't live off credit anymore because I PAID MY BILLS OFF!

                      I still have a credit card for emergencies and I guarantee you it's NOT Bank of America.

                      I love how good o'le boy Red Blooded Americans divert the conversation to something that has nothing to do with the what was being discussed. Did the 2 thumbs up brighten your day?

                      Yeaaa.... Cub T got two thumbs up for his opinion of me that he knows nothing about.

                      Now, how about deny everything I wrote so everyone with half a brain, that has observation, that has critical thinking or just an ounce of ability to use Google laugh in your face.

                      Go back to watching football and paying $5.00 at the pump because that's NOT Obama's fault. That comes from GREED!

                      The same greed that pays CEO's 29 million a year while the average worker can't even get 40 hours a week to avoid giving them benefits while making minimum wage.

                      Your just a nitwit like Bill O Reily and Sean Hannity.

                      Seans quote... A gallon of milk costs the same as a gallon of gas.

                      Well, our entire economy doesn't run off milk and those who control the oil have control over our very lives and for years they have blocked every attempt at creating an alternative energy source so they wouldn't lose that power.

                      I know EXACTLY who you are, just the devil in disguise.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#9 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:57 AM EST

                      I'm retired military as well, Mary. I remember the many years I got told I couldn't talk about anything. Well, now, I intend to make up for lost time ! So, YOU GO GIRL !!!!

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                      #9.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:25 AM EST

                      Ever wonder why there are so many commercials on TV about buying insurance, from auto, to healthcare,to life to insuring against home flooding even if you live at 3000 feet and are 20 miles from the nearest river. The idea is to broaden the base of policy holders, thus reducing the risk. Take a city with a 1000 homes in it. If on average you have ten fires per year that means you have a risk factor of one to a hundred. Now if only five hundred homes are insured they share the cost of repairing or replacing all of the ten losses, so their premiums are essentially doubled, even if only five of the losses were insured because the insurance companies are basing there risk on all ten homes being in that five hundred home bracket. Now if all 1000 homes were covered it should reduce the cost of coverage on all home owners because the risk is now spread over a 1000 homes instead of 500. Take National basic hospital coverage, We have 300 million people in the Nation, 47 million have no coverage so 253 million bear the cost of coverage for every person who sees a doctor or goes into the hospital. And you can bet that the insurance companies know what that average number is. Lets say 10 million people need some kind of medical coverage every year. That means the risk factor is 30 to one but the cost is borne by eighty percent of the people. If all 300 million had some kind of coverage the premiums should go down for every one. This is why insurance companies advertise, they want to broaden the risk factor by having as many policy holders as possible. Insurance would like the greater risk factor in terms of the numbers but they fear that they will be forced to reduce the cost of a policy based on the new numbers. That is the only reason they don't want broad coverage of all Americans. That is the same reason they want to tie automobile insurance to a car instead of a driver. If every licensed driver had to carry some kind of Public Liability and Property Damage and you have a a minimum 100 million licensed driver in America the average cost would drop on every driver based on his record. But PL &PD is based on the number of cars in America or about 30 million cars. I have a thirty five year unblemished driving record, but I still pay as much for PL & PD as any other owner of a vehicle no matter what his driving record shows.

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:53 AM EST

                      mary ann--

                      you are a nitwit obama jr

                      • 1 vote
                      #9.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:07 AM EST

                      MaryAnn is 100% correct.........capitalism has eaten its young and we are screwed.

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.4 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:14 AM EST

                      Talk about Insurance, the worst scam on earth is Title Insurance.

                      Every time you refi you have to pay for again even when you know it's clear.

                      Look it up on how the sellers were getting kickbacks for using certain Title Insurance dealers.

                      The whole housing market is designed to screw you over big time.

                      When I was growing up my parents didn't have all these problems buying a house.

                      • 1 vote
                      #9.5 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:50 AM EST

                      The biggest problem with ObamaCare is that there were no price controls put into effect at the time of passage of the legislation. That gave the insurance companies five years to jack up the premiums before mandatory insurance went inot effect. By raising the premiums on insurance by outrageous amounts before it becomes mandatory they guarantee themselves a HUGE profit once everybody is required to have it. Even if they are made to reduce premiums by, say 25%, the 300 to 500% increases imposed will still garner them a monstrous profit and even multiply that as everyone has to enroll.

                      I don't know about where you all work, but where I work the premiums go up each year, but so does the deductible. As it stands now I or one of my family would have to have a catastrophic event such as a heart attack or major injury to even receive any insurance benefit, so basicly I'm paying for nothing unless something very major happens. And I have the low deductible plan.I'd have to pay $4,500 in deductibles plus the $2,500 max out of pocket before the insurance starts, and I pay $322 a month for this "coverage" plus my employer pays the same. It's nothing but a rip off. And it'll go up again and again and cover even less each time with a higher deductable each time. It seems like a government sanctioned mob racket to me. Universal Gouging rather than universal coverage.

                      I'm one of the lucky ones who rarely ever gets sick. I can't remeber the last time I went to a Dr. for anything so I'm paying $3,864 a year for basiclly nothing since I never meet my deductible. Now they have come up with a number of things that you are required to go to the Dr. for each year and if you don't they tack on another $25 a month the following year. What a racket. They want to charge exorbitant rates to cover nothing. In 2014 it may very well be cheaper to pay the fine than to be paying so much for nothing.

                      If you recall, before auto insurance became mandatory it was quite inexpensive, but once they had a captive market it went through the roof. The same will happen with health insurance, they're just getting us set up for it now.

                      Back on topic, a few months ago they were saying gas would go to $4. At that time I said they were just greasing us up for $5 gas. It's looking like my prediction is coming to pass. It's already $4 in some places and the high demand driving season is still months away. Get ready to grab your ankles because it's coming. They'll let it slip gradually back to $4 and people will say that's cheap, just like last year when it went up over $4 and slipped back to just above $3 people quit complaining. We'll raise hell when it hits $5 and it'll come back down to just above $4 and we'll quit complaining again. Then they'll take it up to $6 and repeat the cycle.

                      This could all be put to a stop if the president (whoever it is) would call a meeting with the oil company executives and air it on national TV and tell them point blank to either drop the price of gas AND diesel to $2 and make a little profit or the government will nationalize the oil production and refining and they will make no profit, their choice.

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                      #9.6 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:02 AM EST

                      soldiers dad---

                      woahhh. that ires me to hear what a racket that is and waste of a mans hard earned money. i never go to dr and wouldn't even if i had ins either. i be damn they are forcing prodedures on you now or fining you for not doing what the GOD ALMIGHTY OBAMA AGENDA GOV have decided you needed like you don't have a mind. i know several people the procedures they had as so called preventive care caused them major problems for over a yr nearly killing them.

                      and oh....you don't know how to eat properly?...because remember you can't think for yourself..they are going to feed you now with worse crap than they thought you were eating. and yes if you have children or are pregnant they enforce visits into your home to see if you comply with their standards.

                      these imposing mandates are troubling at least and i expect a great resistance to this NEW CHANGE everybody thought they wanted.

                      tend to the mindless zombies. go away let me alone!

                        #9.7 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:48 PM EST

                        there certainly aren't any price controls nor meaningful controls on run away healthcare costs now. How does letting things continue to deteriorate make it any better?

                        Federal oversight on Health care at least promises to review the chaotic, random and capricious rate increases we see today. Rome wasn't built in a day it takes time to understand how much regulation is need to balance between free enterprise raping the public without any recourse and allowing businesses to be responsible and responsive to public input.

                        At least HealthCare Inc. has been put on notice that change will come - get on board to assist in finding a workable solution... or a solution will be imposed.

                          #9.8 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:39 PM EST

                          what's pitiful is OBAMA AGENDA never cared if you have ins. what it boils down to their overspent gov cannot afford to pay their military + retired military health benefits. so we will have to make up for ther lavish spending.

                          knowing no one will afford the imposed health mandate plus basicly worthless coverage if you do want....most will pay the fine...which is an answer to bringing defecit down....which will make the magic man obama look like he did it all..... for doing nothing.

                          then we will have to listen to how great he was for the next decade...but of course the economy will be an even bigger disaster due to ones who will pay for the worthless coverage and won't be spending to make for a stronger economy and starving more than likely.

                            #9.9 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:52 PM EST
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                            Good reason to raise the price of gas about a buck a gallon. Dont forget, hamburger buns and butt wipe.

                              Reply#10 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:00 AM EST

                              i bet you obama did it, right conservatives? part of his evil plot to destroy america.

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                              Reply#11 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:01 AM EST

                              Here's a conspirocy theory.

                              Those who own the oil tank can see all their profits go by by if Obama stays in power especially when he's pushing alternative energy.

                              You can say I'm a nut but when BILLIONS are involved and they are just going to use this as an excuse to jack up prices further anyway to put even MORE pressure on the public to push him out of office.

                              I hope the American people aren't that dumb but after reading the last attack on me I actually think they are.

                              Good ol Americans, I want it now and I will throw it on a credit card.

                              Stay the course with the gas prices people.

                              Take a look at the past because when Bush was being re elected gas prices went down then shot up after he was voted in. Happened every time.

                              And Christmas too, aww, so nice of them so you have enough gas to go out and shop.

                              They are so kind to us, can I have some cornbread with those shiny bobbles kind sir?

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                              Reply#12 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:21 AM EST

                              great if this is what it takes to vote him out then i'm in....an act of god

                                #12.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:16 AM EST

                                Heard that stupid Lankford from Oklahoma say the poor oil companies could not survive without our taxpayer subsidies.......with Representatives like that we are screwed.

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                                #12.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:18 AM EST

                                great if this is what it takes to vote him out then i'm in....an act of god

                                Got a flash for you. God told Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, and Romney to run. He wants Obama to win.

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                                #12.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:50 AM EST
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                                So who owns the biodiesel plant mr short on specifics!
                                Let me take a wild guess BP- because they just fire the next ceo for spending on saftey and not maximizing profits!
                                They have stopped pigging the lines in AK- which are on the brink of failure- they have neglected the texas plant and caused death of 18 and many injured cause they were too damn cheap to install a flare set up for burn off that only would have cost 150,00 at most!
                                They have unqualified inspectors doing inspeactions there big oil rig was taken down from a hurricane becuase ther installed a cheap as check valve backwards- would have caught if they inspected it! Costing billions... Then there is the big explosion in the gulf the greatest enviornmental catastrophy in US history... They were removing heavy mud and replacing with sea water to save 7 million dollars. they did not inspect the concrete pourings saving hundreds of thousands- Is it any fek surprise there was another incident- next the pipe lines in AK will fail last time one did they spilled 260,000 gallons of crude on the groung in prudoe bay if wasn't for the permafrost would have flowed into the bay- this 260,000 gal spill alone created a 3ft deep pool of crude...
                                Obama authorized big oil offshore drilling and 10 days l8r the well blew up in the gulf.
                                Stop B.P.'s unsafe practices already they spend more money on gag orders of victims then they do on safety! It has got to stop wtf Obama do something good for our country just 1 fek time kick there ass out!
                                Oh yeah I am extremely veresed in B.P's negligent history!

                                  Reply#13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:42 AM EST

                                  Did you also know they kill an employee every 18mo's not to mention how many get severely injured. And they go thru CEO'S every 4 to 5 yrs playing the blame game...

                                  appologies for all the typos in the original post- had to get out there while its in my head :)

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                                  #13.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:04 AM EST
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                                  Oooops there goes the price of gas up another $2.00 a gallon at the pumps!

                                    Reply#14 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:44 AM EST

                                    What? Me worry?

                                      Reply#15 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:55 AM EST

                                      I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as well as the next person, especially when the price of the gas I buy is involved. But the reality is this was one crude oil storage tank burning and there are thousands of these tanks within a 50 mile radius of Galveston (I was in the USCG in the Galveston area years ago). Other than passing curiosity, how is this national news???

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                                      Reply#16 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:01 AM EST

                                      Anything to do with oil production is national news at the moment. What you're not hearing about is the current oil boom in the Eagle Ford Shale in S. Texas. Anybody that can show up sober and be able to read can find work. ( Well that eliminates most Texans)

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                                      #16.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:03 PM EST
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                                      It isn't politics, folks. It's business. The same rich get richer that has occurred since the dawn of money raher than barter. You all just like to hear yourselves shout off.

                                        Reply#17 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:05 AM EST

                                        the rich have bled this country dry for the entire 200 years of our existence.........with the politicians they bought and paid for running interference for them. Now they have so much of the wealth the richest country in the world lets children go hungry and without healthcare.......what is so great about a country like that? Someone please tell me.

                                          #17.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:21 AM EST

                                          only the voters can change the course on which this country is going. by voting out the lifers who have been running this country into the ground for the past 20-30 yrs. make your vote count.

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                                          #17.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST
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                                          MaryAnn - 4288089; Thank you for your reasoned and true depiction of the state of affairs. PLEASE keep it up. If we're talking about gas prices you might also want to consider if the repubs really cared about high gas prices, why did they block the repeal of the Enron Rule (which they voted into law and signed by the coward of crawford) and get rid of the oil speculators. This would cut the price we pay at the pump of gasoline per gallon by between 50 and 60% by signing it into law.

                                            Reply#18 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:25 AM EST

                                            which senate and house voted it i wonder?

                                              #18.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:51 AM EST
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                                              Obama has had the chance to change the way big oil does business, but he has failed yet again. what he should have done was said to the big oil companies, you may drill for domestic oil, but only 20% will be sold to china, the other 80% will be refined for domestic use. this would have a huge impact at the pumps, but of course he dropped the ball. again.

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                                              Reply#19 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:47 AM EST

                                              Scott, if every capped well in the US were put into production and the Gulf Coast was inundated in crude, it would not drop gas prices. We have reached full capacity in refining. There is no shortage of oil. Hell, we are exporting some of our own product right now. Oil prices are established largely by OPEC, the largest oil cartel in the world. It is then priced off the chart by futures speculators who operate with virtual indemnity. There is nothing a president can do to significantly impact gasoline prices ~ whether he be Democrat of Republican. Its a nice argument in an election year, but only a baseless argument.

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                                              #19.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:58 AM EST

                                              sure it would, but what we are doing is BUYING foreign oil that is being traded on the market and market prices instead of using our own oil. its part of spreading the wealth to other oil producing countries.never really did understand why we buy oil from others when we are pumping our own just to sell it abroad. until now

                                                #19.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:09 AM EST

                                                I am sure the President would to stay alive and if you think that is an overstatement, think again

                                                  #19.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:52 AM EST
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                                                  Mary Ann -- yours is the voice of sanity and intelligence in a sea of ignorance and tunnel-vision. Thank you!

                                                    Reply#20 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:48 AM EST

                                                    Sometimes things happen for a reason in life and this fire at a Galviston refinery is a wake up call for Homeland Security to invest in better securing our main source of fuel in this country by installing high tech security around these vacilities. Most would take notice of something like this and see it as a sign that we really need to protect our main and sold port of oil from around the world. Not America. We see it as what it looks like and that is "a fire", nothing more. Wake up America these refineries are a sure target from any country that is aiming to cripple this country with the next 9/11. These refineries are currently protected by nothing more than a security gaurd in a shack at the gate and a second one patrolling the fence lines. (Imagine a fat, overweight, donut eating lazy, stoner security gaurd if you need a visual).

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                                                    Reply#21 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:49 AM EST

                                                    Fer chrissakes, people ~ there is not a "bogey man behind every bush" as some would argue. There have been oil well/storage fires since Spindletop and increased security will not guarantee there will be none in the future. Without a doubt, there was a cause for this Galveston fire. We would be better served in determining the cause than making storage tank farms armed camps. They are not without surveillance already. The real story here is that Galveston, Texas City, and LaMarque firefighters contained the fire to its one tank. That is not an easy task but they did it anyway and deserve recognition for their work.

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                                                    #21.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:09 AM EST

                                                    Jim I wasn't saying this was an act of terrorisum. What I was stating is these ports are vulnerable and this fire should be a red flag. With you being a Texan I would imagine you can probably look out your window and see first hand over all of us what little lies between you and the inside of one of these refineries. I will lay money there is nothing more than a single 10 foot hight chain link fence with no razor wire nevermind even a single strand of cheap bob wire over the top. Meanwhile some stoned generation x/texting dork cruises the fence line in his broken down 4 cylinder Hyundai.

                                                    Here this country is about to go to war with Iran over the threat of them possibly closing The Straits of Hormuz and we can't even better protect what little we have now in oil reserves here on American soil. .

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                                                    #21.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:44 AM EST

                                                    Slow Brain Coming: You obviously know nothing about The Port Of Galveston or Houston's security. I invite you to come down here and take a look. Please stop outside the electrified fence with security cams and take all the photos you wish. We'll come visit you in the lockup. Ninny.

                                                      #21.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST

                                                      this is not/was not an extremist or Muslim attack. This, as usual, is and continues to be a case of industrial negligence. There is a long standing history of explodtions in the Galveston area.

                                                      long before there was a Global extremist threat, there were a sting of safety issues which had disasterous consequences. The Oil companies, appear to, have a plan in place where they don't seem to want to invest in improvements until it becomes cost effective. Its cheaper to pay insurance costs, bad publicity than to upgrade the plants with necessary security or industrial improvements. And by golly - they have enough congressmen and Governors to insure nothing will be done to change things until they are good and damn ready to change them on their own. Read about it, see if anything really has changed.

                                                      TEXAS CITY, TEXAS, DISASTER
                                                      April 16, 17, 1947

                                                        #21.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:50 PM EST
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                                                        Scott, President Obama failed? It was the repubs that filibustered the Enron Rule repeal. More recent evidence of how this scum looks out for americans, is they ALL voted against the Markey amendment last week which said in plain english; "any oil pumped through this pipeline would ONLY be used to make gas for americans". This is more evidence (not that we need any more) that repubs are just whores for the oil companies...

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                                                        Reply#22 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:58 AM EST

                                                        yes failed. all obama is concerned with is putting wind turbines on the tops of our cars (since china produces solar panels at a fraction of the american cost)and creating fuel from algae growing in my pool.he doesnt address any domestic oil production others than shutting them down, as if canadian oil or mid east oil is any safer for the planet

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                                                        #22.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:05 AM EST

                                                        Uh, Scott ~ ~ ~ ~ the number of producing oil wells in the United States today is 356% higher than it was in the last year under Bush. Your comment that Obama is "shutting them down" is patently false on its face. I do thank you for alerting me about "wind turbines on the tops of our cars." I wasn't aware of that. Now I see why Romney is so bitterly opposed to Obama's re-election. His plan would severely f--k up transporting our dogs on the roof, wouldn't it?

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                                                        #22.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                                                        My son is in Heat and Air and he says it is possible for everyone to have a small turbine in their backyard for energy but the city will not zone for it. He lives in the country and has already done it for himself for a cost of $600.00. Several small towns in this country have gone off the grid with turbines and solar, it can be done but it will be a fight to the death with big oil.

                                                          #22.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:21 AM EST
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                                                          A crude oil tank at a biodiesel plant? So biodiesel is made from crude oil? According to the definition of biodiesel, it is supposed to contain no petroleum. So why is it crude oil?

                                                            Reply#23 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:05 AM EST

                                                            hate to say it folks, but i fear we are about to see another big market crash soon.

                                                              Reply#24 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST

                                                              How is it Omsnbc just eliminated all posts from #1 thru 1.????

                                                                Reply#25 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:13 AM EST

                                                                They didn't eliminate them. The original post #1.0 shows to be "collapsed by community" which occurs when the number of negative votes greatly exceed positive ones. Go to Dalmz1z's original post, click on the box by "collapsed by community" and all of the posts will magically appear ~ and shoot down another conspiracy.

                                                                  #25.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:23 AM EST
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