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Subscribe to RSSBEVERLY, Mass. -- An off-duty police sergeant shot a police officer from a nearby town in Northeastern Massachusetts Friday night, then returned to the scene and killed himself as authorities closed in, the local district attorney said.
Authorities responded to a Starbucks in Beverly after a 911 call at about 5:45 p.m. ET Friday and found Beverly police Officer Jason Lantych shot multiple times, Essex District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett said. Lantych is in serious condition and undergoing surgery, he said.
Off-duty Hamilton police Sgt. Ken Nagy shot Lantych and fled, the district attorney's office said. A warrant was issued for Nagy's arrest on a charge of assault with intent to murder, and authorities said he was believed to be armed and dangerous.
The 43-year-old Nagy returned to the Starbucks at about 10:30 p.m. ET, and police there began to cordon off the scene. Nagy fatally shot himself in his car as officers approached him, Blodgett said.
"He has taken his life," Blodgett told Boston.com. "It is a tragic day."
Nagy and Lantych knew each other but the motive for the shooting is unclear, the district attorney's office said. Beverly and Hamilton are towns about 5 miles apart in northeastern Massachusetts.
Boston.com reported that the investigation was ongoing and that dozens of police officers and emergency medical personnel were gathered at the roped-off Starbucks parking lot Saturday morning.
Nagy was promoted to sergeant last summer after 19 years of service, according to a July 3 story from the Hamilton-Wenham Chronicle. His wife, Katie, smiled as she pinned a badge on Nagy's uniform, and their two young sons clapped, the newspaper reported.
When asked his feelings about the promotion, Nagy told the newspaper, "It feels great. I worked hard over the 19 years to get here."
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I love this one. Now the cops are killing each other. I wonder if he tasered him first.
how stable and imagine dealing with your children and parents no wonder people are afraid maybe they should take the guns away there seems to be alot of this going on lately
I was thinking the same thing, wonder.
I don't think cops should have guns. They just aren't mature enough.
That was a crappy, tasteless comment! Pathetic!!!
I would trust any person (police, government official, military included) who has extensively trained with firearms and gun safety over the large majority of gun owners in America who have never even read a book on safety.
And Cassie, if you own a gun... go take a safety class ASAP! If you've already taken one, go take another one!!!
Hey Wanker, it was a true statement though for most of the new breed of cop. You would know that if you stopped wanking long enough to look around you and see what is going on.
I don't own a gun, Chris. I think you gun people are nuts.
My father taught us kids how to handle and shoot guns safely when we were children, just as he taught us how to handle and use household tools, electricity, cars, speed boats, and other potentially dangerous things. But I have never touched a gun since.
And here I am, not just an old lady, but an old lady who, during an adventurous life, visited Harlem at night in the early 70s to hear back street jazz, walked alone through the old town of an Arab country a year after 911, made a documentary of Tijuana whores and the sailors they service, hitch-hiked from Minnesota to La Porte, Texas for a photojournalistic jaunt--a few highlights--and lived alone most of my life and still live alone, all without a gun, or any other weapon, for that matter.
Maybe if you gun nuts climbed out of your Rambo fantasies and actually DID something with your lives you wouldn't end up shot dead.
And just to be clear, I don't think people who own guns for hunting, or even just to have a gun in the house for self-protection, are nuts. Just you people who buy 15 assault weapons and scream about your constitutional rights and fantasize about taking on a government-gone-bad and end up shooting yourself or watching your kid shoot the neighbor. You know who you are, don't you, Chris?
Hey wanker how's that pulling going for ya! Yeah I guess you could call it good friday. Just goes to show ya, these guys aren't as stable as everyone thinks they are. Normal people they are, some good and some bad!
Awesome for you Cassie, but you shouldn't classify all gun carriers as nuts. Yes, there are some, many, that shouldn't own a gun and do. I have carried all my life and never had to use. But it's just the thought of having one that helps me feel secure. I practice gun safety, have gone to classes and keep things locked away when the kids visit. I have no Rambo fantasy either and did something with my life. I am a retired CIA agent.
Wow.
Another dirty cop.
What a surprise.
Cassie its not the guns that are dangerous its the people using them. Someone intent on killing someone else will find a way. Guns just make it easier. I think its nuts that you are able to make such a broad minded statement from such a narrow point of view. This is a tragedy but there is also no where near enough information on this case presented here to make a snap judgement call. Were there threats given? Did Nagy commit a crime and was about to be exposed? Did the other officer do the same and it got out of hand? Not everyone who pulls the trigger can deal with the shock of killing another person. Cops especially ones who have been in service for 19 years generally don't last that long with an unstable personality. I do hope they find more information.
Only an ignorant Ass like Mary Jones 1616541 would make such a stupid, heartless comment..................
No more jellyrolls. Now it's a Mocha Double Creme Latte.
In other news - Dunkin Donuts stock expected to drop Monday.
JJGarner & darrell-1708517,
Ahhhh.. you guys are waaaaay too funny! Where do you come up with such wit? Don't have an aneurysm over it though!
Cassie,
Only stupid people who never took a gun safety class or firearm training 'allow' such accidents to happen. Those people are the ones I'm talking about. The large majority of Americans who don't know how to properly use the freedoms they're given. There are too many of them and the NRA is too selfish to allow the type of gun control that would greatly help.
BTW, Cassie... Every time you post some sort of rebuttal, you go way off the deep end. It doesn't suite you well. Ease up!
Everyone will have to excuse ChrisWanker. He believes it is hypocritical of our government to not allow convicted felons to own firearms (the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed). He won't discuss the fact that they aren't allowed to vote either (another right taken away when they chose to be felons).
how do all you ghetto thugs get access to a computer and the internet? is that part of your section 8 handout?
drug deal gone bad
The last person you want to give a gun and badge to are the ones who want a gun and a badge.
The same way all you white trash thugs get access to the internet. Hope the pigs rest in piss.
The two cops were BUTTBUDDY.
I know what, lets ban all guns from everyone in the country,military and police included. I just need to figure out the part were the criminals have guns because they don't obey the laws in the first place.
Then we can be just like Somalia in the 90's.
what suprises me is they didnt blame it on a innocent man like one of us and blamed another cop killing a cop. lmao to funny.
photobiker,
I'm sorry. I didn't know that was a topic we're interested in here. We can discuss it too if you'd like.
I guess you don't fully read my posts (not that I really read yours...) and only concentrate on that. We all know why convicted felons should not be able to have guns, but there are some die-hard 2nd Amendment nuts that won't take the necessary measures to make it much more difficult for such people to get guns in the first place. They, too selfishly, hold on to their own rights to support any measure beyond what we already have. And allowing the government to pass the the gun control we already have was like pulling teeth for them! All-in-all, what I'm doing is calling those 2nd Amendment nuts hypocrites for being so adamant about letting everyone have a gun. Not hypocrites for not letting them have guns as you so asserted.
"Everyone will have to excuse ChrisWanker."
Is that why you collapse posts - because you have no rational argument?
cheetah-822547,
That's usually the case...
BTW, my last two sentences kind of contradict each other. Let me clear them up a bit:
"All-in-all, what I'm doing is calling those 2nd Amendment nuts hypocrites for being so adamant about letting everyone [the general population] have a gun. Not hypocrites for not letting them [felons] have guns as you so asserted."
ChrisWanker, JJGarner, Cassie321, Blue Veiner, you are all suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
LOL welcome back Sally
Her comment was crappy, tasteless, and pathetic! Oh well, glad you're having fun with the ban hammer.
Hummmmmmmmmm ... That's what happens when your armed have too many Starbucks espressos!
Speedy recovery for the injured policeman.
I like this one. Now the cops are killing cops. I wonder ifhe teasered him first.
How do you "teaser" someone, make fun of their haircut until they drop??
Don't that beat all - Blue on Blue crime...I'm going with the odds and say; check cell phone records of the injured cop and the dead cops wife, they was doing the nasty and got caught. If all these 48 hours shows are accurate - more killing is done over a relationship than over drugs....both make for good TV.
Us weed smokers say it's the nasty cheaters and the nasty cheaters say it's the weed smokers...lol.
Cops are people too, complete with all the emotional and other baggage that sometimes weighs on us all. It is the fact that due to the nature of their profession, tragedies such as this are amplified.
I guess we'll have to ban cops with guns!
I have a suspicion about why this happened.
Yeah..the two cops were buttbuddy and one was playing grabbass with another cop, he got jealous and blew him away.
None of us has ANY idea why this happened - everything at this point is speculation. My sympathies go out to the families of both officers. Clearly they are dealing with a devastating situation. How sad that lowlifes on this post need to make light of a tragic event.
Some small town cop's in Ma. get paid to much and have way to much time on their hands, Perhaps you have heard of the police chief from the another small town in Ma., who had totaled his brand new cruiser off the back roads, and was found by his own officers, with his pants down, drunk and the passenger side windshield broke (from the inside). This is not a joke, and the list goes on. No accountability, no professionalism and their union is a joke. Their stupidity discredits those that actually work hard to "Protect and Serve".
"Cops are people too, complete with all the emotional and other baggage that sometimes weighs on us all. It is the fact that due to the nature of their profession, tragedies such as this are amplified."
Yes Wet Willie, but the problem is law enforcement has been granted way too much leeway and power in their use of "justifiable" deadly force against us citizens, causing them to become a danger to the society they're supposed to serve and protect.
Actually Debi, I can't disagree with you. From my experience I've noticed that many times ordinary people fear the police more than they do the criminals. Most people are uncomfortable being around the police, and many times, with good reason.
you don't have a clue as to the "why" of this crime? Well, get over it. All police officers, active and retired have a good idea, from the information released, what was at work here and the info is on a need to know basis which the rest of you vultures don't need to know. A speed recovery to the injured officer as no matter what the alleged provocation, deadly force against another is not the answer.
The plot thickens!!
Are you upset that...:
"...what was at work here and the info is on a need to know basis which the rest of you vultures don't need to know."
The public will rescind its right to know if the officer agrees to stop accepting a paycheck from us.
Mary Jones, you really have some serious issues. you post that you love a story about a cop shooting another cop and then killing himself. Then if that wasn't enough you make a stupid joke afterwards.
You really think these two men's families are laughing at this moment? What a pathetic excuse for a human being. You must be so proud of yourself.
Debi,
I'm sorry I could only give you one vote.
We have to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, like the ICE officer just the other day that shot his boss....ah, wait a minute.
Sooooo....
Score one for the good guys, then?
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Neil Murphy,
Nice piece of creative writing! But what in the world does it have to do with this article?
Neil-I have to disagree with Mickey. Rather than creative writing it reads more like lunatic ravings. Take your meds and go back to bed.
I guess this will happen just after we go help syria.
Whew!
Obama followers are deep....deep into la-la land!
:D
@stonedog
Good grief. I wish they would go in and delete every troll that joined between 01/12 and 02/12. Every one of you people(loosely put) have done nothing but post swill. If you're being paid they should ask for their money back. Begone TROLL.
@Neil Murphy - LMAO!!
I always enjoy reading fantasy novels.
I thought it was pretty good..As a matter of fact to good for an everyday poster...Most likely copied from a right-wing hate site....Probably a link to it from FOX or americans for prosperity..
LOL
Right wing hate sights would be fantasizing about a disaster that would leave Obama in charge?
You sure aren't very bright!
Neil Murphy......
You should do your homework prior to posting your doomsday propaganda......
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
and/or references to that article.
U.S. Presidential succession is long and well considered. NOTE: It does **NOT** include former presidents.
That's what you call killing 2 birds with one stone. Great job. Now if only we could all the cops to do that, we wouldn't have to worry about police brutality anymore.
Hilarious. Now go outside and ride your bike before mom and dad find out you're using the computer again.
he is too busy picking his nose and eating his boogers.
"Only the police and the military should have guns"....used to hear that all the time in the 90s when they were pushing gun control.
It was B.S. then and it's B.S. now.
If no one carries guns there is no reason for the police to carry ether.
willie
Good luck with that "no one" thing. When YOU personally can guarantee with YOUR life that no one else has a gun, including the police and military, I will give up my right to own one.
willie - go to a back ally in London and tell that to the thugs that are robbing you at gun point.
actually it would be knife point.
willie-3866709....hard to believe you are that simple minded...
Willie --- stay away from guns. You are a phooking idiot!
Hey NC Vet, who are you to talk. Such a big loser living off the government dime yoiu welfare cheat. The only wqay you can get a paycheck is killing innocent men, women, and children just because some politician tells you to.
NC Vet is a well known Ahole who posts one liners and runs.
He should take an example from this officer.
well Willie, if we all forfeit our gun rights, the people who obtain firearms illegally, still get them. And now we've got no armed police to fight off hoodlems. Thus leading to gang controlled cities, sound familiar?
No Adam, gun point. The point being made is that while guns are outlawed in UK they are still in the hands of the criminals. All that gun control does is keep guns out of innocent peoples hands. The bad guys always find a way to get them. So you are left defending yourself with your swiss army knife against a Uzi.
It is the same thing with licenses to carry concealed in most states. I mean really, do you think criminals go through all this hassle before they tuck that pistol into their pants? No, only law abiding citizens go through this process - which is silly when you think about it. For this reason Arizonadid away with requiring a permit to conceal a firearm...and almost 2 years later no rise in crime...shocking.
The real point behind gun control and why the liberals/socialists want this is to disarm the population. An unarmed population cannot fight back when they finally close up the borders and start ordering us into their camps.
abo. loon.
In America you can walk around with your rifle on your back or with your pistol strapped to your belt in the open no need for conceal carry permits that's only if you want your weapon hidden from public view.
only the police and military should have guns....hmmm isn't that what Hitler said?
with the last names of the officers it wouldn't shock me if the one officer who was shot, had racial tendencies...just a guess.
ABO--no crime rate raise in AZ huh ? How about that terrible shooting that injured Gabby Giffords though ? Sure would have been cool if their was a law to stop that loon...I am not for most gun control that does exist but there are sensible ways to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics..I know they can still steal them and stuff that is why there should be financial responsibility laws when people wanna own more weapons than they can ever use or keep locked safely away from loony family members and the like...
sw-philly
there are laws against lunatics having guns... problem there is they have to be certified loons before they are prevented from having them.
Adam Henry - there are plenty of illegal firearms in the U.K.
Allen-2635884, NC Vet, charles-2087110, you are all suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
ltcommander72, make it a month suspension since you have a history. Last chance.
This was a boyfriend-boyfriend thing so don't get your hopes up people!
Who cares if it was? If you are still alive and living the same as you do every day, then it shouldn't matter if it was a guy to guy thing. It's thoughts/comments like yours that breed hatred and hate crimes. And no I am not gay.
Sometimes hate is good, like I hate birds that crap on my head when they fly over!
If no one carries guns there is no reason for the police to carry ether.
That's the second time you posted that same ridiculous comment little willie. Got any other pearls of wisdom besides that gem?
Carry ether ?? Are you serious or illiterate ?
What?
Never been ethered by a cop?
Gotta be a woman. Just my opinion.
I was thinking the same thing.
Nagy returned to the Starbucks ...
Should have ordered decaf
Instead, he ordered a grande you-screwed-my-wife, to which he added a double shot of murder-suicide.
WELLL< What do ya knowwwwww.......hmmm...Another coward! Another coward kills someone,then kills himself,or HERself. Gee,maybe we can get all the crooked cops these days to do that,but if they did,there would not even be enough cops to police a small town because almost all of them are crooked now these days.Maybe we can work next on getting the lawyers,then the judges to shoot each other and themselves, Nancy Pelosi,and all the rest of the rotten crooked congress after that.WOW,we would have a nice new government then,lol
Another incident that proves that police are just like everybody else. In a country where testimony by a police officer carries more weight than from a citizen, this and other stories like it should level the playing field a bit more. I think it is time that it should take more then just "the word" of a police officer to convict someone. Let's see some uncut, uneditted video.
"To protect, and to serve."
And people think being a L.W. cop makes you somehow more qualified to carry a sidearm? I don't think so! Probably a fight over the last scone?
You know this has gotta be over some woman.
The usual...man kills another man over some chic.
Was it his chic or his swagger that got him killed in the end? lol
Come on people, stop making jokes and be serious. The issue here is gun control. Crooks, gangs, druggies and the insane should not have guns. Because those butt holes have access to guns and use them is the reason normal people have the right to carry. You work all your life, save and buy something. Then some ass face tries to steal it, or worse, kill you or your family, rape and so on. Now-a-days you gotta protect yourself. Not enough cops around to protect everyone. And there will always be the corrupt and that's because of greed.
Tiva you said= Because those butt holes have access to guns and use them is the reason normal people have the right to carry.
I beg to differ, it was because our founding fathers had the fore-site to know that a nation un-armed is a weak nation. ie. Look at Mexico and it's people, hell look at any country where the people aren't allowed to possess weapons. Thank our forefathers for the 2nd. amendment.
The issue here is anything but gun control. A policeman snapped for whatever reason and killed another policeman. No different than people in every walk of life. Gun control has absolutely nothing to do with it.
the police officer that was shot hasnt died he is in serious condition .
Tiva,
This ISN'T about gun control you AZZ. This is about a cop shooting another, over facts we don't know yet. If I had access to your address, I'll show you GUN CONTROL...To your skull. Dipwad!!
boffer... I foresee sally the moderator paying you a visit in the near future and she doesn't even need your address LOL
Whats funny is i would rather have the guns in the hands of "Crooks, gangs, druggies and the insane" ,and not people like you, because they obviously think more in depth then you. "if it was a bright shiny place we could all just be happy" LOL wow!
I can see why you call your self Flush. It's what we all do to useless turds. If your comment was funny then it would be worth a laugh, but it wasn't. It was stupid, uneducated and not worth the moss you wipe with.
Tiva and Flush 1, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
hmm, prime example of how cops and attys are deep/critical thinkers!!!!! someone is accused of assault and intent to murder and they immediately jump to a conclusion of him being armed and dangerous??? vs what? not dangerous???
and I would love to hear the back story? were these two secret lovers? were they complicit in some type of graft or corruption??? Screwing each other's wives??
oh well, now there are two less power mongers in the world.... clearly that part of the world isnt filled with a lot of criminal activity, (as there arent a lot of stories from there except for this...
...hell look at any country where the people aren't allowed to possess weapons.
I assume you mean those countries where the violent crime rates are much less than they are here. That would be virtually any country, by the way. Do you really think that the citizens of those countries, because they are unarmed, live with kind of paranoia that you do? Sure, let's arm every law-abiding citizen. And when we do, consider this scenario: An unhinged gunman at a political rally in a crowded parking lot (let's say, in Arizona) draws his gun and begins firing at a congresswoman, wounding her and killing other bystanders. Hearing the shots, and seeing the commotion, you and everyone with a gun in that crowd (and, in your fantasies, that should be everybody), draws their weapons and turns to discover a sea of guns pointed in every direction, some of them at you. Any one of those people could be the shooter. Quick now, what do you do next?
you mean like Mexico, Somalia, Afghanistan, Columbia? Or do you mean Mainland China, Russia, Ukraine where the people have little say in things? Then there is Switzerland or Israel.
Feel free to pull more out of context examples.
FACT is that two people DID have guns legally, drew their firearms, and determined that it was unclear who was shooting and chose to not engage with weapons and the gunman was subdued. Gun control types interject the "rambo" fantasy into every conversation. It seems the gun control types fantasize EVERY law abiding gun owner thinks they are Rambo.
Mexico has less violent crime than the US? Gun Control is taking careful aim.
Duck!
proamerica-----Where do you live? Are you kidding me? 45,000 dead people in Mexico, just yesterday tourists from a cruise ship robbed at gunpoint in Mexico. You liberals really tick me off. And you can't be pro America and spout that drivel from your mouth.
jim I think proamerica was attempting to be sarcastic in response to a prior posting. a (sarcasm) indicator would be helpful though.
jim overlin--aside from the obvious (that you didn't get proamerica's intent which seemed clear, at least to me and trust_verify), can you see no irony in your statement that just because somebody says something you don't agree with, they can't be pro America? That's what really ticks me off. I may totally disagree with your point of view (and I suspect I do but I won't go there as it would be even further off topic than this ...) but I would never claim that I am somehow "more American" because of our opposing viewpoints. I cling to the perhaps anachronistic notion that our differences are what makes America great. And yes, even as a raging liberal, I think the country is great. Not perfect, but great.
Sounds like a love triangle. Wait and see how it plays out. Emotions cause regular people to do stupid things. Police are not exempt.
How many here remember that after "9-11", you knew things were going to start getting crazy?
It was logical, as nothing that insane had happened before. I recall telling a friend, "Keep yourself aware of it, and don't let it getcha" We'd known each other just over twenty years at that time, and she had always been kind of like John Wayne toilet paper... rough and tough, and didn't take crap off anyone.
Coupled with the changes we've been put through since and because of "9-11", well, keep aware of it gang. It's worse than I've ever seen.
In the meantime, have you heard about the drones coming to our skies? A bill was signed on Valentines Day, changing FAA rules to allow for them; THIRTY THOUSAND of them is the current plan. To some of the older people, like me, this is unbeleiveable. To some of you younger people, it might seem normal. I'll still argue that it isn't. It's the stuff we used to read about in science fiction books. And it for darn sure is not Constitutional, hence this push to present The Constitution as something that no longer applies.
And on that note, ask yourself who is the top legal authority in your County? If you assume it's someone Federal, you're wrong. Do yourself a favor and find out who it is.... it's right here on the internet!
You're scared of model airplanes? Seriously?
Ask the tailiban what they think of those "model" airplanes.
i now declare unrestricted airspace over my house. any drone, will be subject to being shot down due to my unauthorization.....good luck with that.....
golliegeewillikers-1980315, when the drones start dropping TOWs and Hellfires on your local Starbucks, then you'll have good reason to worry. But until then, c'mon down off that cross - we need the wood.
A sad and tragic ending to the two life's of two public servants...
There's go to be more to this story...
One police officer does not shoot another just because.
Maybe he bought powdered sugar instead of glazed?
The "simple truth" is, no one shoots anyone for a good reason. Outside of self defense, our only reason for shooting/killing another is due to their "narcissism".
MRZ-1191248
I can agree with you to a point in the self defense...
Except that I can only agree with that as motive as long as it's used as a last resort.
I would also add to defend the innocent that are also defense less (i.e a child)
OottRascals,
I stand amended. I should have made that more clear. Thanks!
It was a fight over the LAST doughnut. News at 11
Lovers?
If its true then they are definitely Republicans.
HUH!
If a long serving police officer cannot control himself with a gun who can guarantee anyone can??
Gun violence, whether self inflicted or perpetrated on others is so widespread in this country that we shrug it off with "light hearted" comments like so many posted here. If there was ever an argument for some type of required safety, training and licensing law, the comments routinely posted on sites like this are it.
Tens of thousands die due to gun violence each year in our nation, more than have died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined during their entire length. We salute our fallen soldiers and grieve over each one lost but we joke about people gunned down in their homes, gunned down in the street, gunned down in our schools, gunned down in our workplaces, gunned down in our businesses. We are numb to the tragedy all around us or we are so intent on defending our right to bear arms that we are willing to live with the continued slaughter.
Gun ownership ought to have some constraints, some training, some type of licensing, some type of thorough, national background check. Testing for competency ought to include scenarios that challenge the gun purchaser to make choices about how and when they would use a gun, how they would store a gun, how they would carry a gun both on their person and in a vehicle..., I KNOW second amendment guarantees the right, I've heard the gun lobbyists and gun owners shout from the rooftops about the evils of any type of control over gun ownership, why don't we hear the same from the millions of families whose lives have been destroyed by gun violence. Perhaps it is time for a more aggressive effort to support organizations that represent the victims of gun violence and their families/friends to act as a counter to the NRA?
I don't advocate taking away people's weapons but I do not understand gun owners and lobbyists who so vehemently defend unregulated sales of arms indiscriminately to anyone who wants one. Train, evaluate, license, THEN sell if the potential buyer meets the requirements, hold the licensing agency accountable for the actions of the license holder, require any unlicensed weapon be licensed under penalty of confiscation.
Gun ownership is right, so is living without the fear of being gunned down!
Sighber, did you not even read the headline of this article? This was a cop on cop thing. How much more training, licensing, and monitoring do you propose? No where in the constitution does it say such things should be done. I hope the FBI puts a wire tap on your phone, a cop on your back, and they nail you every chance they get, even if it means fabricating evidence.
I've never owned a gun, but was a Pilot/Military Officer and I've fired many guns. Take away my right though and I might find a way to buy one regardless of your laws. An armed militia is one of the things that keeps Washington in check. How do you think the Arab Spring happened?
Live free or die, simple as that, because if your not free, life isn't worth living.
sighber
Please cite your site. Better than half of the deaths are SUICIDE and would find other ways to complete the act. Gun homicides are actually DOWN over the past 10 years. Excluding suicides the number of gun deaths is around 10,000 so it BARELY qualifies as ten thousand never mind TENS of. Perhaps you would care to argue the same about vehicle deaths? 30,000 or so a year... half due to DUI?
Do you SERIOUSLY think gun sales are unregulated? Are you aware of FEDERAL law on purchases and gun ownership? The "licensing" agencies are BATF and the FBI. It is called a background check.
Why exactly do we need a license for something that is our RIGHT? This whole making a list of who is "legal" is what Hitler did in the 1930's.
The victims families/friends ARE speaking out. Ever heard of the Brady Bill? Are you aware that over HALF the households in the USA legally own at least one firearm? The majority of the remainder don't by choice but are not opposed to those who do. Always remember the "Moral Majority" are neither. Most people believe in the "Speak softly, carry a big stick" and are NOT as vocal as the minority who always seem to be stirring up a stink and expecting OTHERS to deal with it.
If you "live in fear" perhaps you live in a neighborhood where you should possess a firearm to defend yourself. That, like owning a firearm, is called taking RESPONSIBILITY for one self.
Then again, perhaps it is where you live? Per the FBI, the higher the population the more likely the violent crime.
Personally I've owned a gun off and on for 16 of my 50+ years. I've only drawn once, other than the range, when I heard someone attempting to break in. I don't live in fear but I like having OPTIONS. At one time I was threatened by a punk kid in California where I did not own a gun. It only took the police 2 HOURS to respond and I did NOT have options to wait.
Trust,
I am aware that many gun deaths are suicide, I even mention it early in my post, Yes, I understand there are regulations, there are also gun shows where people routinely buy unlicensed weapons, I don't live in fear, I live in a very safe area. You seem very intent on discounting my statements, that is your right, I stand by what I posted.
We the people, an armed militia? Made up of ragtag groups of gun owners against a highly trained army equipped with ordinance such as drones, laser guided missiles and even smart bullets is a joke! Live free? Absolutely, but freedom should include the right to live without becoming the victim of someone with "the right" to carry a gun but who lacks the intellect, stability, or is careless with the way they handle, carry or store their weapon. We probably won't ever agree on this issue but in light of the thousands who die every year in our country due to gun violence, whether self inflicted, accidental or criminally, I believe my thoughts are worth legitimate consideration.
sighber
I discounted your statements based on FACTS. There are NOT tens of thousands for starters. I am unsure of where you live but I have yet to find a firearm for sale at a flea market. I have seen them at yard sales. Last I checked the states I live in or near require background checks at gun shows and only FFL holders can make a sale. Parking lot sales at those shows will lead to arrest of all involved. Firearms are NOT licensed. Sales of firearms are. Licenses to carry concealed or to hunt are required but not to own. Again I discount your statements based on facts.
Tell that to the Taliban and their ilk. The beat the USSR and are doing damned good job against us. It is ILLEGAL to own a gun in Afghanistan BTW. Imagine if it had been legal to do so. The British thought much the same about those Rebels in 1776. How could a few ragtag groups defeat the most powerful military in the world?
I will place this challenge to you, as I have done others.....
I am open to some form of regulation within reason that does not in consequence BAN guns. See NYC for an example of a regulation that effectively bans guns unless you know someone or pay someone off. I've no issue with requiring some sort of course even but it has to be reasonable in requirements and cost. Make your definitions, just don't play the have an inch take a mile. Back your statements if they might seem a stretch... i.e. tens of thousands when we both know it is barely 10k we are talking about. PLEASE know what an automatic is vs a semi auto. Are we talking long guns or hand guns? Ammunition type is a separate topic.
Trust,
I stand by my statistic, more than 30,000 deaths annually by gun in the USA. Many of these are suicide, you can discount them if you wish, but even you agree that ten thousand deaths are NOT suicide and this is okay with you? TEN THOUSAND? That is wholesale slaughter if you ask me and the more people are victimized the more of them decide to take up arms and the cycle grows. Facts are routinely cited and manipulated, but my conclusions are my own, based on a horrific number of people who are killed by projectiles fired from guns every year, I find the numbers outrageous and objectionable, I believe that laws are passed to rein in behavior that is harmful to others, ten thousand killed every year at the end of a gun ought to be sufficient to cause change to curb the bloodshed.! BTW, just search for "annual gun deaths in the United States" and you'll find ample proof of the statistics I cite.
Only one officer died, the shooter. The victim of the attack is still alive undergoing surgery. Read before responding. It's not that hard to read for comprehension. there will be lots of time to say foolish things - you don't have to rush to be heard first. This looks to be a very popular topic.
Was this a case of a lovers quarrel, black mail, difference of opinon that got out of control? Given the number of shots fired, a bit excessive for premeditated killing - there seems to be an emotional contingent to this shooting.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people = true.
Falling doesn't kill people, its the sudden stop which kills = true.
Now - if we could just suspend gravity, falling would be a non-issue when it comes to death from falling from great heights.
sighber
Annually over 30000 people die in car wrecks. Few of those are suicide, generally not even included if they are proven to be deliberate crashes. if ten thousand is wholesale slaughter then what is 30k? Draw your own conclusions. Making noise is great but doing something acceptable to everyone takes more than talk. Get your FACTS straight and present a reasonable solution and people will listen. The sky is falling mentality and name calling wins few arguments. You don't cook a frog by dropping it in scalding water. People are good/bad guns are a tool.
Just a tiny tidbit for you to review. Suicides beat gun deaths which aren't even in the top 10 causes of deaths. Last I checked suicide was against the law.
In this case, gun ownership was probably a requirement...they were both cops! And that means they were trained, screened, licensed, etc.
" Proper ownership" of firearms is NOT the issue here.
I always wonder why people like... "we the people" of post#30.1... gotta compare America to some damn foreign country! Holier-than-thou crap oughtta be turned off, sometimes.
Just another pathetic, MACHO attempt to veer away from the immediate subject, then, push his political dogma and jingoistic BS!! No doubt...!
Now...back to the humor! Keep me "laffing", folks!
liberal geniuses, You're throwing stats around here so go ahead and researsch this, out of your thousands and thousands of gun murders committed every year, how many were comitted by illegal guns? IE: Guns stolen from residences, bussinesses, etc. The thugs in the inner cities are not going to the local police stations and getting licensed the legal way and then start shooting people. The thugs are stealing the the guns or buying the guns that have been stolen. Most of the problems you speak of are not committed by legal gun owners.
Gun-nut fools. It's the so-called "legit gun-nuts" and goober nation a-holes that are sellin' to the inner city thugs. You're F.O.S. to think they're stolen. The are SOLD outta the vehicle trunks or outside NRA goober dog gun shows!!
A-hole gun-nuts are ruining this country. Legal gun owners ARE the problem! Always will be!
Taking guns away from citizens is a violation of the constitution, two wrongs don't make a right. Hard day for the police force there, but obviously there is more to this story than we know so far.