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Subscribe to RSSThe disclosure that unidentified remains from the 9/11 attack were buried in a landfill was a small part of a larger report on problems at the military's mortuary at Dover, Del. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.
Updated at 8:38 p.m ET: For the first time, the Defense Department acknowledged Tuesday that some cremated remains of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were dumped in a landfill, conduct the White House called "unacceptable."
The disclosure is just two paragraphs in an 86-page report released Tuesday by an independent task force reviewing operations at the military's mortuary at Dover, Del.
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In a contentious briefing for reporters at the Pentagon, retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, the head of the panel, tried to keep the focus on steps the military was taking going forward, saying the 9/11 findings were only a minor part of the task force's work.
Asked repeatedly for more information, he said, "We did not spend a great deal of time and effort and energy" on the matter, adding forcefully: "It's my report, but it's not the focus of the report."
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta formed the task force in December after an investigation by the Air Force, which runs the facility, found that some remains of U.S. military personnel weren't handled "in accordance with procedures."
The Air Force acknowledged that it had disposed of the incinerated remains of at least 274 service members in the landfill before it ended the practice in 2008. At the time, officials said records went back only to 2003.
But the independent panel found that the practice went back at least to 2001, and it discovered that "several portions of remains" recovered from the 9/11 attacks at the Pentagon and at Shanksville, Pa., also ended up in a landfill:
Prior to 2008, portions of remains that could neither be tested nor identified, and portions of remains later identified that the [family or other representative] requested not to be notified of (requesting that they be appropriately disposed of) were cremated under contract at a civilian crematory and returned to [Dover]. This policy began shortly after September 11, 2001, when several portions of remains from the Pentagon attack and the Shanksville, Pennsylvania, crash site could not be tested or identified.
These cremated portions were then placed in sealed containers that were provided to a biomedical waste disposal contractor. Per the biomedical waste contract at that time, the contractor then transported these containers and incinerated them. The assumption on the part of [Dover] was that after final incineration nothing remained. A [Dover] management query found that there was some residual material following incineration and that the contractor was disposing of it in a landfill. The landfill disposition was not disclosed in the contractual disposal agreement.
Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and the Air Force chief of staff, Gen. Norton Schwartz, said they hadn't yet had a chance to review the entire report.
Erin A. Kirk-Cuomo/Defense Department
'It's my report, but it's not the focus of the report,' retired Gen. John Abizaid, chairman of the review panel, insisted.
"This is new information to me," Donley acknowledged when asked about the 9/11 victims by NBC News Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski. Schwartz, asked the same question, replied, "That's what I'm saying."
In a statement Tuesday night, the White House said President Barack Obama had been briefed on the findings and was determined that "these types of incidents never happen again."
Calling the report's details "unacceptable," the White House said, "The United States has a solemn obligation to compassionately and professionally care for fallen service members and their families, and those we tragically lost on 9/11."
Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., who has sought answers to what happened at Dover since last year, said the report bore out what he believed all along.
"I suspected, as Gen. Abizaid's panel has now confirmed, that these practices had been going on for many years. Even remains from the 9/11 terrorist attacks were treated in this way," Holt said in a statement to msnbc.com.
"The Department of Defense needs to engage in some real soul-searching," Holt said. "How is it possible that, for years or even decades, no one at Dover recognized how profoundly inappropriate these practices were?"
'Commanders in name only'
Abizaid told reporters that the Air Force's complex command structure led to the problems by creating "commanders in name only."
But "this was not just an Air Force problem," he said, adding that the entire U.S. military "needs to understand this is a 100 percent no-fail mission."
For one thing, he said, the Dover facility should no longer cremate fallen troops, because "we think it's a bad idea for DoD to be in the cremation business" in the first place.
The Dover facility is the first point of entry for U.S. service members who are killed or die overseas. It first came under investigation in 2010 after employees complained about how some cases were handled.
Investigators said last year that they had found no evidence that anyone intentionally mishandled the remains, but they concluded that the mortuary staff failed to "maintain accountability" with some remains.
"The standard is 100 percent accountability in every instance of this important mission," Schwartz said at the time.
"We can, and will, do better, and as a result of the allegations and investigation, our ability to care for our fallen warriors is now stronger,” he said.
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God Bless their souls.
our government has become a non-functioning, un-controllable, gigantic impersonal blob, from outer space. congress as a watch dog is nothing but a toothless chicken.
Is the Pentagon just made of @!$%#s?
Saxon,
I agree. LOL, that was really a funny description....
Many things were going wrong.
Yeah, like Building 7 being imploded to hide the theft of trillions of dollars in Chinese gold.
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9/11 was just the cover for the theft by the Bush administration of trillions of dollars in Chinese gold that was stored in the basement of Building 7.
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When does the rioting in the streets by the families and faithful begin? That would be the normal reaction, right?
I totally agree with you saxon, the government has become an independent,self seeking organism, and we have become mere appendages, and if we do not serve its' needs,we will be cut off.
So the Chinese government didn't notice their "trillions of dollars" of gold was/is missing? Or they did notice and said nothing about it? Really? No really? Maybe the Rosswell aliens took it! Or bigfoot!
Busy, while their actions are dispictable, I have not heard of any victims family members saying they didn't get the remains of their loved ones returned to them. They don't say how many peoples remains were put into that landfill, but I would be apt to think that the remains may of those who might have been unidentified.
Just like what the AF did. It was wrong of course, and the families were screaming about it, but WHY didn't they bury their fallen sons and brothers, etc. themselves? Why did they expect the AF to do what they didn't want to? Servicemen get life insurance through the military so there was no reason why the families couldn't have taken on the duty of seeing that their fallen ones were given proper burial.
For the first time, the Defense Department acknowledged Tuesday that some cremated remains of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were dumped in a landfill.
The way it reads, it sounds horrible. However, how could they possible sort them apart form all the rubble?
This headline will cause to have more attacks on Americans...Thanks!
We treat our solders like trash in every other way. I guess they've decided to go beyond symbolism.
God bless our troop, but God Damn the Pentagon and our politicians.
How is it NOT intentional when 274 servicemen's remains end up if a G-damn garbage dump! You don't "accidentally" knock 274 urns into a trash can. This is disgusting and infuriating, and it shows that our government just gives lip-service to the lives they literally throw-away in defense of our country. And the casual "we can and will do better" response is unacceptable. Someone(s) needs to not only lose their jobs, pensions, and careers but possibly go to prison for illegal disposal of human remains.
Vivian, if you insist on making this tradegy political, we will have to discuss the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
@UnitedStates1776, the total amount of gold ever mined is about 9.2 trillion. Are you saying that it is more plausible that the government staged a massive terrorist attack that no one has leaked any information about or left any trace of in order to steal (you said trillions, so I'm estimating here) about a quarter of all the gold that's ever been mined that somehow the Chinese came into possession of, then decided to keep for some reason in New York? Because that is entirely plausible.
This is why you want the government to take care of everything for you: To police, to enforce laws, to take care of you so you don't have to worry about anything. They can do this better than anyone else because no government employee is liable, can be sued, or can be held accountable for their mistakes. "I don't know, I didn't know the extent of the problem(Alan Greenspan on the financial crises) , or it is not my department (The CIA to the FBI when pre warning info was 911 info was ignored) " its not your jurisdiction to do anything about it and you have no authority (The City of Chicago warning the government and Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac about the looming housing crises and bad loans) are all perfectly acceptable answers.
*Cough cough* Die Hard with a Vengeance
Gee, I guess We just keep looking for things to blame either side of the isles, No country will our down fall We do it ourselves
UnitedStates1776 -
You're an idiot. You have as much proof of your cockamamie delusion as I have that it was actually aliens from Mars that shot JFK so they could bring him back to life on their planet and sodomize him with a coconut. Do us all a favor and stop posting until you have something intelligent to share. Idiot.
They didnt do that to bin Laden's ashes...
I disagree, Mortuary Services should be 100% responsible for cremating some remains. For example what do they do with remains of soldiers without survivors responsible for the remains and for unidentified and identified body parts of of living and deceased soldiers? Someone needs to handle these and it shouldn't be the lowest bidder, they just need to work diligently to not make mistakes. I realize and so should a lot of posters on these boards, that we do not live in a no fail world no matter how much we want to think we should but we need to learn from mistakes and move on to other problems. Learn from this, get better and move on...
patriot_in_nh - as tragic as the murder of Brian Terry was, it certainly pales in comparison to the atrocities that occurred under the Bush administration.
your government doing what they do best...we failed to control our government so they control us...put the man in charge in the dump with his family...let them sift thru the ashes till they die....
How can anybody say they treat our soldiers like trash in the USA? How? You must not have ever been there - I have! I am a Vietnam Vet and we were treated badly by the sorts of Jane Fonda and the like but never by the US Government! Period! I got flying school paid for when I got out by the VA; I get annual medical check-ups by the VA Hospital or Clinics; I received an operation that the local hospital wanted $15,000.00 to do at the VA Hospital in Tucson Arizona and the cost was only $150.00; and more.
What was my pay for being in the military back then? $77.10 a month! Yes, Seventy-Seven Dollars and ten cents! But, I was willing to put my life on the line and die for $77.10 a month - really - not for the money, but for my belief in America and Freedom and our way of life. What is the pay today for the same job? Around $50,000.00 a year (I made $925,20 a year).
I think - no - I know, the militiary gets treated pretty good by America. And, all of you as well as everyone in the Military needs to Thank God that we are here and in the military in America instead of most every other country in the world. Thank you God.
Yeah, but the joke was on them . . . it's a well-documented fact that Chinese gold is roughly 70% lead.
;)
For the most part the government is life time bureaucrats just working 9 to 5. You have a problem with that, take it to someone who cares.
patriot_in_nh: Except that was a separate tragedy and not the one we are discussing. Stay on topic. You too Vivian.
The people who perished in the trade center were not only from here but all over the world, I wouldn't of wanted the job of sorting out body parts.. It would of been impossible but their should of been a cremation and a proper burial.
"patriot_in_nh - as tragic as the murder of Brian Terry was, it certainly pales in comparison to the atrocities that occurred under the Bush administration."
Unless you were either Brian Terry or his mother, father, brother, sister or fiance... or lived and worked in the area that Brian Terry gave his life to protect and defend.
Saxon, I couldn't agree more. We need to stop granting more power to our government, they are no longer working for US.
The government is not the problem the people who were in charge were and since it was prior to 2008 we don't need a compass to figure this out, we know the GOP likes to prove government is bad by executing poor planning and judgement. To the people who want to blame the victims families for being more responsible for the remains of their loved ones F you! Did you open your grandmas casket to make sure she had shoes on you despicable wretch Janine? Know one knew they had all the remains of their loved ones as there were no bodies just parts and they were grieving you @!$%# bag! All I can say is if one fingernail went to a land fill this is just unacceptable and heads need to roll and since it was prior to 2008 we know who's head that is, they have already been documented as war criminals in many countries just not the one they could bribe. So much for patriotism eh righties.
My Uncle was a 30yr. Veteran in the Airforce. He rarely said anything about his service or what he did or saw. I know of 3 things he ever told me in all those years. His brother, My Uncle, was killed in the Korean war. My Uncle told me this-when a casket comes from overseas, you didn't know if the remains were the right person, could be papers or letters in it, or possibly nothing at all. When any branch of the Services told the family the remains could not be viewed which was more often than not, there was nothing you could do about it. My Uncle was an Honorable man and I have no reason to doubt what he told me. He said he has always wondered if Joe was truly home or if he was left in Korea or somewhere along the way home.
Lusitania,
It was military personnel from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania.
They aught to have a test to see if you actually read the article before you were allowed to post here.
We need bigger Government. (Cough)
Body parts are body parts whats your point..
UnitedStates1776
I normally dont take offense to ignorant people, but you take the cake. Our government Planned 9?11, hired the hijackers, allowed the planes to hit the towers, Did all the demolition needed and planted all of the explosive in the building to bring it down WHILE it was occupied, went to war, and spent billions of dollars to steal the Chinese gold in the basement? What in the hell are you on?
Who really cares, the dead are still DEAD. Besides, I thought the over-riding, primary concern today was the acquisition of money, money and more money.
They're just toying with us, they know we can't stop them anymore. For years people warned about the government's wrongdoings and nobody listened. I remember in the 80s-90s, if you even whispered you thought the government was up to no good, people talked to you like you were crazy. Now it's common knowledge, but even then it was probably too late to stop them....it's way too late now.
busyguy: if the faithful marched in the streets, no one would even notice. LOTS of people claim to love Jesus, or their personal God or Gods, or doing the right thing....but less than a handful actually do. Those that do are mostly easily distracted. You have our government dropping these conspiracy theories: aliens, cover ups, CIA science labs, certain cryptozoological animals (I do believe that cryptids exist though, just not every one. It's just plain scientific to know different species exist than we currently know.) The people who want to do the right thing are caught up in these conspiracies and chasing them like a dog chases a car.
The real evils are simple and right in our face. Millions of children starve each year, corrupt people massacre wild and domestic animals en masse. People are losing their homes, people are kept under foot in a massive caste system. Torture, slavery...child slavery. Why do we chase conspiracies when all of this is right out in the open? Don't you think the wealthy people who enjoy life the way it is wouldn't pay a fraction of their wealth to peddle out bigfoot shows and people claiming they see UFOs or cattle mutilations with the ominous "modern science is incapable of this" speeches, despite the fact we have no idea what modern science is really capable of due to our government keeping it top secret?
We let them get away with it because most of us are blind and the some of us who can see are distracted. Rather than argue who "Started" 9/11, can't we agree our government screwed up in stopping it or handling it? Rather than argue who "caused" global warming, shouldn't we hold accountable our own government for not trying to stop it? People argue the price of "Global warming proofing" our world. Is blowing up a bunch of brown people in the middle east really so much of a better use of our money???
We need to identify the real wrongdoing. We need to look it in the face and say "You exist." Then we need to hold everyone's feet to the fire until it's solved.
Jay-M: that's a good point. They gave bin laden a better funeral than they're giving our own soldiers and the victims of 9/11. Pathetic.
It's never too late to change things for the better, ever heard of the word, Revolution?
You would think that even though the remains might be "unidentifiable" that at the very least our military would perform a special ceremony to lay these remains to rest in a respectful manner rather than just tossing them out like so much garbage.
Its exactly this sort of mentality and lack of judgement that led to Korans being tossed into a trash heap and burned only to result in more backlash against Americans and NATO forces. Yes, the military was right to confiscate the Korans being used to promote plans for "Jihad" but the appropriate thing to have done with them would have been to turn the defaced/defiled Korans over to "legitimate" Islamic clergy to dispose of as they saw fit.
I agree 100% with the Cavalier. These people were human beings and our government dumps them in a landfill???? How low will we sink!!!
Did anyone besides me read the story before spouting off ??? The remains that could not be indentified and the ones that were later indentified but the families asked not to be further notified, were cremated then placed in containers and recremated. The ashes were then disposed of by a biomedical waste contractor.
How is the government's fault ? Were the taxpayers suppose to pay for all the ashes to be enshrined somewhere ? A landfill is not exactly thrilling to hear of, but it was just ashes and it was ashes from people from all over the world. Its not like you can seperate the ashes from one nationality to the other.
What is a cemetery ??? A giant landfill for dead people.
Once again another indictable crime by the Bush Administration. Will their criminality never be punished. Send all those criminal BA&%$RDS to the bottom of the ocean to sleep with Osama in Laden!
jnessler
Actually, the government has always been an offensive oppressor and violator of citizen rights; you just woke up. Read what the forefathers wrote about dangerous, bad government; their description is exactly what the fed.gov is/has been the last 60 years. They saw it coming more than 200 years ago; you have just come to see clearly. Unbelievably, almost all of the states are right in step with the socialistic fed.gov.
Mac Turney- I am thrilled that you feel like you got a good deal from the government and the military. Perhaps you did. However, you are WAY out of bounds to suggest that because YOU got treated well for serving in Vietnam that every military person TODAY gets treated well. I can assure you that is NOT the case. You should try talking to the families of people serving today and ask them if they're doing well. I can point you to a bunch of food stamp cases if you'd like. What about the repeated refusals to increase pay to reasonable levels? I'm not against our government or our military but for you to suggest that everything is just hunky dorey for servicemen and women isn't reality.
Face it everyone, it was an inside job and there was no time to be waisted for sorting things out everything including the people had to disappear at once otherwise all the traces of destroying our own buildings and people would have surfaced. That is not good for the Bush and his buddies.
Congress needs to be cleaned out because they are the problem for everything we face. How is it congress can do insider trading and for everyone else it becomes a crime? No wonder, they are in it with the bankers so they are the 1% or helping the 1%.
Make your voices heard by electing the right people to congress who have solid principles like Ron Paul and moral values otherwise soon they will be corrupted just like the rest and seek for their own benefit than ours.
It's disgusting the way the government continually disrepects it's own citizens.
Ron Paul 2012
patriot_in_nh
Which gun killed Brian Terry? The one that crossed the border under the Bush administration or the Obama administration? Either way the Republicans like to pin the gun on Obama but it was Bush that started the practice called "gun-walking"which consisted of supplying guns to Mexican cartel. But hey...don't let something like facts interfere with your Obama bashing in defense of Bush.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/fast-and-furious-bush-administration_n_1076148.html
Yes, Bush started that program, Just like Bush started the Auto Bailout, And Bush also started the Energy dept investment in Green projects, But here is what actually happened with all three under the IDIOT in charge now. The gun walking was never intended to allow guns to get to Mexico, Obama changed the rule . Bush did invest in a Auto bailout, And obama added the Cash for Clunkers allowing thousands of RICE BURNERS to be purchased helping Japan. As for the green laons thing from the DOE, Obama removed the part that said, PRIVATE investors must be invested with 75% funding on hand. Then the DOE would loan or grant money based upon its merits. Obama lowered that to 10%, and all the persons who got the grants would never have to pay them back. Its all in the matter of how OUR present IDIOT runs things.
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
Buddha
How long will it be until somebody tries to blame President Obama for this unimaginable failure? I KNOW the RWNJs, Glenn Beck conspiracy theorists, & Faux "News" gasbags will be all over blaming OUR President for this even though this travesty, like the terrorist attacks of 9/11, happened on DUH-bya's watch!
irespond - very valid point.
Mac turney - thanks for your service and your lucid comments of the time. I never did understand why so many disrespected our soldiers by name calling and spitting on them. As for jane fonda, what an idiot, I make it a point to not see any of her movies. However I did break down in 2011 and watched "cat ballou" again on satellite, lee marvin was just to funny.
Doninphnx - I think you need to re-read macs post and then yours
So berry, you admit that Bush was an idiot. As for Obama he graduated from Harvard with honors where Bush was a cheerleader and acted like one while he was in office.
From the article:
A briefing paper prepared for Attorney General Michael Mukasey during the Bush administration in 2007 outlined failed attempts by federal agents to track illicitly purchased guns across the border into Mexico and stressed the need for U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials to work together on such efforts using a tactic that now is generating controversy.
What part of that statement do you have trouble with. You can try to spin this anyway you wish but the facts speak for themselves. The Bush administration did it and now it's generating controversy.
Another fact you ignore is that the plan by Obama worked to stop the economic collapse and saved over 2.9 million jobs. The economy turned around, began improving from the stimulus, and has been improving since.
As far as the DOE loans are concerned, I would much rather help companies in the US then to blow billions on a vendetta war with Iraq which improved Cheney's stock in Halliburton by 3000%. Anyone know what the Enron energy plan that was negotiated by Kenneth Lay and Cheney behind closed doors? Evidently it never helped the American people since the price of energy got out of control and is still out of control but I know that any attempt to remedy the problem will be met with strong resistance from the right wing that protect the wealthy.
What were they going to do with the stuff. Separate each piece and find the family and give back the body part. Who was going to pay for that one. That would be a needle in a hay stack
World Trade Center Building 7 - the loose end that just gets bigger with time.
I don't know about any Chinese gold - but I do know it housed the CIA...and lots of Banking secretes. What 9-11 allowed was for Banks to be less scrutinized - and look what happened there. Name one other time in USA history where soooo many "coincidences" all happened in such a short time frame, and how soooo much money was thrown around so carelessly in the years that followed?
The remains of the dead deserved more respect. They were inadvertently victims of a attack of war that wasn't declared on America because the oppressors were pussy's. But none the less should be revered as if it they were killed at Pearl Harbor
It has never been said that entire bodies were tossed. It has been pieces and some left over ashes. This stuff is medical waste. The same stuff that is disposed of by hospitals everyday. Stop and think about this. It is being made a big deal by stupid people attempting to sensationalize somethiing that is a no brainer. If you want to be mad about something, why are we still in A-stan?
Jesus you people are paranoid schizophrenics. Chinese gold? CIA? Man you all are nuts!
So it seems that the private sector was contracted to performed the cremation and the disposal of the ashes, and people still complain about govt.
If the govt had purchased cemetary space at an established cemetary, and had had the remains cremated and laid to rest in that cemetary space, there are those who would have complained, stating that the govt was wasting money on expensive cemetary space on unidentified cremated body parts blah blah blah.
What about those 9/11 support groups and the various memorial groups.... how come they did not step in and scatter the ashes into the foundation pour, at that memorial site where the trade centers once stood?
On the other hand, wasn't the private sector contracted to do the cremations and remains disposal, as the private sector was supposed to be able to do things better and more costeffectively than any govt entity? Hmm
Or there I thought that the private sector was supposed to be able to do things better and more costeffectively than govt.....
Well, they certainly did do it costeffectively.....
Peace....
Where's that guy who says that the government should never APOLOGIZE? (bad word in caps)
Well well well... Another headline shows us just how well the government ran under Dumbya Bush and the GOP.
The Family Values folks, eh?
You think bad things are not happening under Obamas administration? Do you honestly believe that a POTUS knows about each and everything happening in the military? Do they for instance know for a fact how many are gay? Do they know each servicemens eye color? Do you think they know how many children each one has and their names? Do you even think they know how much EACH person makes? No, they know how many servicemen they have in total (barely), how many females/males and where they might be! They have underlings who tell them these facts, those underlings have underlings who provide them information, the underling of the underling has yet a few more underlings, who each have a few more underlings beneath them,etc. Can you really hold a POTUS accountable for something they probably just took for granted as common sense and common decency. Why would Bush choose to dispose of them in this fashion, when he could have dumped or buried the ashes on his ranch in a massive media frenzy and earned brownie points? My ashes will hopefully be 1/2 in the ocean and the other half thrown out onto my land. See the headlines
" President Bush gives honorable resting place to fallen soldiers"
"Ashes of fallen soldiers to be spread out on beautiful country hillside"
or better yet
" Unclaimed ashes of fallen soldiers are to be sent into space via moon rocket, where they will be able to watch over their loved ones for all eternity."
The Cheney Regime (Dubya is too dumb and an addict to boot Booze and the Cocaine Daddy hide his convictions for) administered the mortal wound to what used to be the United States of America and the treatment of citizens and troops by said regime was predictably lacking in the most miniscule attempt at decency. That all aside, as it means little to me anymore, the very least that could have been done was for the remains to have been gathered and interned at Arlington with a proper, respectful monument to their memories, the Tomb o the Innocent Citizens Due to the Policies of the Corporate Puppet Masters and the Military Industrial Complex. Farewell citizen friends of my youth, Hola mi amigos nuestro!
You can put your " TRUST " in Our Government!
Just go ask any "REAL NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS."
It used to be that unidentified remains of soldiers would end up in a grave marked for the unknown soldier out of respect. Now days our government simply slip them into a landfill. Makes me wonder what else there is we are not told.
You people need to pay attention and stop the ranting. The mortuary service aggregated the unidentifiable human remains (i.e., body parts, mostly teeth and bone fragments recovered from the Pentagon and Shanksville), creamated them once in their facility, boxed the remains, handed them over to a biowaste disposal contractor for a second cremation in a higher temperture furnace. The problem was no one read the fine print in the contract and no one ensured that the cremains were handled separtely from the to other biowaste. Had that been done, the secondary cremains could have been scattered at sea or over a national park and everyone would be able to feel better about the whole ordeal. Did you ever stop to think what the rest of the biowaste was? It was surgical waste and all the other bio hazards from military hospitals. Are you upset about those parts of service members being cremated and dumped into landfills?
They weren't given the chance. The remains were dumped in the landfill without the families' knowledge. Why do you think they were outraged? And since these men and women gave their lives for their country while serving in the AF, the very least the AF could have done was show some respect and give the remains a decent burial. If nothing else, they could have buried the remains in one grave and made it an "unknown soldier" monument. And now our remaining military personnel have gotten a huge boost in morale knowing that, if they are killed in the line of duty and are unidentifiable, the military will treat them like garbage. Nice.
You can call people who ask questions paranoid if you like if it makes you feel validated but the fact of the matter is there are a lot of holes in the explanations given and if the biggest red flag to me personally was the amount of thermite deposits found in the area and still there today. Yea call me paranoid if you like but I call you one of these two things... Gullible or Traitor! Suddenly we should believe the government. Right. Waaaay to the right. To drainbramage: the only other time I can remember so many coincidences was when President Kennedy was killed. I have seen all the documentaries debunking the multiple assassins theory too and I saw them actually recreate the magic bullet. Oh wait they left one very important piece of the equation out though. They fired at a stationary target. Why has so much time and energy put into debunking theory? Because there may some fire behind all that smoke. Here is a conspiracy theory. Obama is a Kenyon. Obama is a Muslim. Yea I am paranoid.
That is ok. In England bodies are used to heat swimming pools.
Jon Burris, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Notice that it happened under Bush's presidency? That is because they acted as if they cared but in reality it was all about them and their power grab for the corporations. Typical incompetence under GW Bush's inept, irresponsible, and illegal administration. They should all be in prison foir war crimes.
VIV BLA BLA BLA BLA Yet it continued under OBAMA'S WATCH TOO. So what is your point? NOTHING IS THE ANSWER.
Ur full of @!$%#...this happened in Bush's watch...get ur head out of your ass for once and start thinking on your own.
Yeah, while I may not be a fan of Bush, he's gone. OBAMA is the one who increased the war in Afghanistan so stop trying to put the blame on Bush.
Leatherneck, if you READ THE ARTICLE it ended in 2008. 2008. Once again, 2008. I do believe that President Obama was not sworn in until 2009. Yea, that's a whole year of difference. It did not happen under the Obama administration, just the Bush administration. Learn to read and comprehend...of course I guess that is too hard for someone that gets spoon fed crap from Faux News.
I'm thinking on my own.....and if you don't think the buchcheneny reign of terror ruined our Country, you need to put down the METH PIPE!! It's not about who's Repug, or Dem....it's about America. We may never recover from bushcheney, and the rughtwing nutjob, criminal lynchmob!!
Yes, Leatherneck, it continued under Obama's watch until they found out it was happening, then they investigated. Remember that Obama kept Bush's Defense Secretary until he was recently replaced by Panetta.
Don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot wrong with government in general these days, but do the math here. It fits with the Republican credo to put soldiers in harm's way and then forget about the dead and wounded. Yes, Leatherneck, I'm a veteran so don't tell me I don't understand how it is. BLA BLA BLA. If Bush was so great, why are your current Republican candidates trashing him in public?
I so agree with you LNeck918... Who the hell cares what president was in there at the time. And yes.. it's there with Obama too.. if Viv thinks for one minute that there is not one president or any body in our government that is not crooked, she better think again. It will always be there and they all make me sick... The sad thing is what happened to the 9/11 remains.. That is what you should be thinking about..
The Dover mortuary has been the primary disposal point for miltary remains and also the remains from numerous civilian tragedies, since 1955. Look it up. The article states that there were no records going back any further than 2003. So conveniently, you can hang this all on Bush. Yeah, like he had anything to do with this. How lame can you be. There may have been tons of remains buried or mishandled for decades before Bush, but we will never know. And off you go, presuming this just started happening with him. No, it was only discoverable after 2003.
I think Rick James just made Leatherneck his bitch
Apparently the 7 previous posters do not know who Vivian is! You got 7 on that one Viv.
I knew it wouldn't be too deep into the comments before some ignoramus blamed it on Obama. LOGIC FAIL.
All polticians are liars and crooked to the core!!! I haven't seen one in my lifetime that has actually cared about America or it's citizens and I probably won't!!!!
I'm really tired of hearing people complain about politicians. Go ahead and complain about the gridlock in Washington, then come in here and scream about how the other users on this forum are idiots. Can you really see no connection there?
Politicians DO represent you. They reflect not only the substance of what they're told, but the tone. Scream like an ignorant idiot, and they will do the same. I think they're actually doing a pretty good job of representing us right now.
dave
read it again, when did obama get into office?
This is why you want the government to take care of everything for you: To police, to enforce laws, to take care of you so you don't have to worry about anything. They can do this better than anyone else because no government employee is liable, can be sued, or can be held accountable for their mistakes. "I don't know, I didn't know the extent of the problem(Alan Greenspan on the financial crises) , or it is not my department (The CIA to the FBI when pre warning info was 911 info was ignored) " its not your jurisdiction to do anything about it and you have no authority (The City of Chicago warning the government and Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac about the looming housing crises and bad loans) are all perfectly acceptable answers.
This is part of the problem. Instead of focusing on the issue people now want to place blame on the opposing political ideology/party for anything and everything that happens. It's the fault of a system of lazy, incompetent, uncaring bureaucrats and greedy, lazy sub-contractors. And it's our fault for chasing our own tails on every new outrage that is exposed and then forgetting about it in a week (and not holding anyone accountable).
Stop complaining on the internet and then going to make yourself a sandwich and forgetting about these things. DO something about it. Call your Congressman. Go to a local government meeting/forum. They KNOW you'll forget about it in a month, so why should they ever change anything or do better when you don't expect it of them?
You said it matthewsmom!! America is being and has been run by crooks and liars. The day will come.
Well, at least Obumma came along and fixed ALL of America's problems. Thank God! Now if only he could find a way to blame Bush for his own lousy attempt at being President.
You all need to get a grip. This is just a small part of a larger investigation. The original article leading to the investigation documented issues that occurred both before and after 2008. Seriously, do you gomers really think the POTUS handles disposal of remains at Dover Mortuary services or even appoints the person who does? You partisan hacks are part of the problem with politics in America today.
Actually no, it didn't. It continued up to the last months of Bush's term and ceased shortly before he left office.
Her point was that that it somehow underscores the Bush administration's commitment to corporate power at the expense of the common man. A point that needs to be made about as much as the point about the the oceans being full of water. If you want the executive office to share the blame for this, then it is Bush who you are blaming. If the records only go back to 2002, then you really can't implicate Clinton either. Unless mre evidence turns up.
All of you policical - one party - nutcases need to get your republican or democrat head out of your arse. All you care about is what your party thinks and I suppose you only vote for your party, too.
You need to start thinking about what is good for America! Vote for the Individual Person that will be good for America! Why would you vote for an idiot just because he or she is your party?
Both parties - Republican and Democrat are the same: they both shout " no more wars " - yet we're always in one; they both say " balance the budget " - but it's never balanced; they both say " no more taxes " - but there is no tax reform; they both promise BS - but their promises never are fullfilled; all BS - all Lies - all Politics - No Truth in Any of It.
When you pick someone for an office and vote - you have to choose the lesser of the two evils.
What kind of a system is this? Stop - Think - And, vote for America when you choose a candidate.
Bush had eveerything to do with it, Obama picked up where GW left off....same ol', same ol'. The fact of the matter is that politicians - on both sides of the aisle - could not give a rat's @ss aboout us, the service men and women in the military, or anyone else other than their pensions, their PAC funds, and kickbacks. I'm sure there are a lot of senior military personnel we could throw in there as well.
Where did the America I grew up in go?
"Where did the America I grew up in go?" It changed; regimes, no matter how grand or idyllic, tend to do that with each passing generation.
The question is to you prefer to evolve with it into the 21st Century, or are you one of those who thinks we should preserve the country the way it once was, hermetically sealed in some Mason jar of yesteryear.
I'm pretty sure neither President Bush or President Obama had time to ever deal with mortuary affairs and operational procedures of one installation.
Besides, had either done so, there would be whining over that too! "That's not the job of the President..." and so forth.
Come on... Blaming Presidents for something obviously well outside of their scope.... Pfff.
Ciewywtb +, How true. That's why we older folks think that we've become a useless, spoiled, throw away society.
This is sad.
You can't be a Republican or a Democrat anymore.
Nowadays, you're either a backwoods, backward Redneck Republican, Or a Mao Loving Communist Democrat.
The name calling doesn't help your argument people, Start talking like grown ups and people will take you seriously
I agree with SabotAndHeat, the president doesn't control policy over an issue like this.
Vivian is just looking to smear. This thread is collapsed with good reason.
You ae missing a point, unfortunately, since we didn't listen to Pres. Eisenhower, now a rather moot point, the moral compass our President sets or doesn't as in the Cheny/Rove puppettered Baby Bush, sets the climate on down the chain. The Military Elite and Corporate Elite have obscenely too much power and see anyone else as disposable like dog @!$%#. WE individual peons making less than $100,000.00 a year understand what the United States should be and how it should be run better than ANY member of the Supreme Court, Congress, the Pentagon and the White House combined! People we MUST take back our country and if the way our government let some of their buddies make a fortune tossing our soldiers, police, firefighters, first responders and citizens out like trash doesn't infuriate you, I can only assume you have sold your souls to Goldman-Sachs, Blackwater, Hali9burton and company.
Comment # 2 restored for clarity.
Gen13, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
WTF? Just outrageous! God bless their Souls.
This is why you want the government to take care of everything for you: To police, to enforce laws, to take care of you so you don't have to worry about anything. They can do this better than anyone else because no government employee is liable, can be sued, or can be held accountable for their mistakes. "I don't know, I didn't know the extent of the problem(Alan Greenspan on the financial crises) , or "it is not my department" (The CIA to the FBI when pre-event warning info on 911 info was ignored by one branch warning the other) and "its not your jurisdiction to do anything about it and you have no authority to control borrowing" (The Feds reply to the City of Chicago?? attempt to warn Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac about the looming housing crises and bad loans) are all perfectly acceptable answers.
And don't forget, Glen-1484791, about how in the Private Sector the same thing happens every day. "It's not in my job description", "Your insurance policy doesn't cover that", "Oh, that costs extra", "I was not aware of what those employees were doing", "It wasn't my fault", etc, etc, etc. As for Fannie Mac and Freddy Mae (yes, I deliberately mixed up the names), THEY ignored the warnings so that THEY could reap more financial profit.
I agree. Monsters and inept children in business suits, every one of them.
The whole 9/11 episode should be re investigated, this time by an independent group of experts, with no political ties and no Jewish ties, as Israel is a main suspect. The girders of the WTC Towers and Bldg 7 were whisked away and shipped to China, before an examination could take place on the crime scene. An examination would have found the residue of the nano thermite used to bring down the building in a controlled demolition. Traces of nano thermite have since been discovered near the towers.
Having political appointees investigate, instead of scientists, including architects, metallurgists and explosives experts is ridiculous. Any fool could watch the falling of Bldg 7 and determine it was a controlled demolition. If one building was rigged to fall, they all were rigged.
Well what do you expect... Governments and businesses are not evil... that is the lie...
The truth is that people do evil things and since governments and businesses are made up of people then it happens by default and that will never change.
I love to listen to americans discuss things they always come up with a conspiracy theory to 9-11 it's always the jews who are responsible, and never Islam actually on the whole 80% of all americans don't know that there is a world outside of the USA, reminds me of something that happen a few years ago while visiting Robert Kennedy's grave in DC they had an american who asked his friend who was Kennedy and how did he die, I felt like turning around and kicking the man in his a$$ and telling him to go home and read about the history of the USA which by the way more foreingners know more about than the average american. Lets blame Bush for all the problems in the USA because he planned and payed the 9-11 hijackers, sarcasam
Dumped with all the forensic evidence that proves it was an INSIDE JOB!
Really? A Truther? Wow. Such an idiot.
9/11 was at least partially an inside job. If you cant see that then time to get out from under your rock.
- Building 7 demolished itself?
- Pentagon still has not released any footage of the "plane" that hit it. Other that the blurry/pixelated video that doesn't show @!$%#. Or the fact that section the plane hit just happened to be under construction.
Yet people like you, think the people who want real answers, are the idiots??? SHEEPLE.......
Crikey, the reasoning for all of the so called truther "anomalies" (or the outright dismissal of the some of the more outrageous claims) has been published over and over again. The truthers are such a collection of nutters you wonder how they get through the day. They are "sheeple" to conspiracy theories....
Just go watch the South Park episode about the 9/11 conspiracy, it kinda sums the whole thing up
Sam...for real dude???? I mean really. I guess that you forgot that thousands...yes thousands of people saw not only the jet that hit the Pentagon but also the ones that hit the WTC.
I guess you've never driven by the Pentagon to see that its directly off of a major interstate, in plain view and that is always packed with traffic and that thousands live in nearby neighborhoods such as in Annandale and heard and saw the jet...you are just an idiot...sorry for that but be for real...
And as for Building 7, it collapsed as did the other smaller WTC buildings because they had been shaken to the core and burned to a crisp...saw that myself...still got pictures...and I guess you forgot that millions were watching via television when that happened.
As an architect who has practiced since 1983, I have watched several buildings 'imploded' and it takes a tremendous effort to bring one down...weeks of work drilling into steel girders and columns, removing walls for blast paths and miles of 'detonation' cord strung through the building...when did all of this work take place...and not one single New Yorker said: "Hey, yous, what da' @#*k yous doin'!!!!"
Yeah right!!!!! Pull head out of rectum, take breathe of fresh air and get a life...stupid, man just stupid!
Really skeeter?? B7 had some fires but was not hit by any plane. Do I think the planes were CGI? Heck no, Where their terrorists? Yes for sure, Did they do all this w/o any help? Well, that I just cant believe.
You like one of those people who goes into the OWS crowd and finds the craziest person you can for an interview then says "see OWS is all nut jobs". Ive heard some pretty bonker 9/11 conspiracy @!$%#. Ive watched hundreds of hours of prove/disprove videos. My only two questions remain. How did B7 fall? (and don't give me the "because of the fires" bs) and with 4 (i think) cameras on that side of the pentagon, why cant they release a better video?
Believe what you want. Like I said before, I don't think it all a huge inside job. But they had help.
The same guy named Silverstein owned all 3 buildings and had them recently insured against a terrorist attack for billions. They were allegedly working on the elevators of the towers, weeks and months before the attacks. Plenty of time to set the explosives. Silverstein is on video tape saying "pull it", just before Bldg 7 fell. "Pull it" is a term used during controlled demolitions. There are videos from news networks, saying Bldg 7 fell, before it actually fell. When it fell, it went straight to the ground in 6.5 seconds. I will post a video.
@RalphH Exactly right, I would like to see an independent investagion. Also I would like them to follow the MONEY.
What? Is this body parts, a leg, arm, etc? What are we expecting the government to do with body parts? I'm not sure where the headline came from? What little they had to read, was about 2003-2008? What was incinerated on 2011 ( in the Towers coming down, or body parts found later) could never had been seperated and done what with? I guess I don't get it. I have never felt a person was their body. Needs some discussion on this to understand I guess.
The problem is the blatant and arrogant lack of respect.
The ashes (from unidentified and unidentifiable remains) could have been collected and buried at a National Cemetery or at sea - as a sign of respect. It would not have required any more effort or expense than just dumping the ashes in a landfill.
At the very least, a military chaplain should have conducted a minimal, non-denominational ceremony as the trucks were unloaded.
RESPECT is what is required. Do unto others as you would want done to you. It's a golden rule that demands RESPECT.
"And The Beat Goes On .................."
You are so right Nerm_L. That would have been the respectable thing to do. A communal grave would have been more respectable and honorable than to be thrown away like nothing but trash. They were Soldiers for goodness sake. It makes me so angry I can barely process it all that they did that.
rjwoo7, you don't understand how wrong that is what they did?? Body parts of Soldiers can and are cremated or buried respectably. In this case they SHOULD have been treated like human beings that were someones loved ones. More information? They were thrown in the TRASH. Would anyone want their Mother, Father, Sister, Brother who served our country thrown in the trash? Would you want your Mother treated with such disrespect? Even if it were just! her arm or leg they disposed of? Maybe it really doesn't matter to you though, which is your choice I guess.
rjw007 i think the most important thing to take away from the article are these quotes from the report, "...portions of remains that could neither be tested nor identified, and portions of remains later identified that the [family or other representative] requested not to be notified of (requesting that they be appropriately disposed of) were cremated under contract at a civilian crematory" and this,"...cremated portions were then placed in sealed containers...the contractor then transported these containers and incinerated them...The assumption on the part of [Dover] was that after final incineration nothing remained. A [Dover] management query found that there was some residual material." These remains weren't heads, hands and teeth. They were bits of carbon. I think the headline is meant to stir up emotions, and obviously by a lot the reactions it worked.
It was cremated parts- meaning ashes
The article mkes it out like there wer heads, legs, and arms and the like.
This article and the original was pretty clear it was cremated or incinerated remains.
"Ask not what your country can do for you..." LOL
Shandril LOL!! Now it's 'Ask not what your country will do to you next'
Get over it! They were dead.
Just because they were dead doesn't mean that their remains shouldn't be treated with respect.
For God sakes, we gave better treatment to the corpse of Osama bin laden.
So you wouldn't mind if someone dumped your dead Mother into a landfill? That's pretty tolerant of you, JJT, but a lot of the rest of us have respect for the dead and want to see them honored, especially if they died heroes. It's just the way some people are....
So...we should have put these remains in the ocean instead of the landfill? Notice the beginning of the story notes the remains were cremated. What the heck else do you want them to do? Match the remains to bodies?
Kudos to you Mike S.. You are so right!!!!!
It's sad, but weren't the bodies cremated by the raging building fire. I don't know how you could tell the ash of a human from just regular building ash, or how you would even begin to try.
Yes, indeed, 9/11 was on Bush's (the republican) watch and they didn't do enough to protect our citizens, but won't blame even Bush for this.
This is a going-in-circles story. How in the world could someone tell what ashes were human - and apparently they couldn't. I guess they did the only thing they could do.
BB, no they weren't "cremated" by the building fires. Scorched and dismembered but not cremated. The cremation happened at Dover.
Well, the story says 9/11 victims as well as U.S. service members which was reported a few months ago. So at the very least, I'm speaking about the service members.
I wouldn't expect them to match the remains of the body. But for some reason, laying whatever pieces of you to rest in the sea seems a lot more comforting than a land fill.
The job to handle remains was probably outsourced to Haliburton per Bush/Cheney on a no bid contract. As Usual, Dems discover it and have to clean up the mess for republicans again. At least Pres Obama got Bin Laden after Bush gave up trying. Remember the U Tube video of Bush when asked if it bothers him Bim Laden on the loose still? I do. Expose the person/persons who made the decision to send to dump to the public.
jesus h nipple. i hope you're not another one of those lowlifes who think that people in the service are worth more than other people...
This should NEWER have happened to those who gave their life for this country.
EVERYONE involved in the screw-up should be fired, without any benefits, or
dishonorable discharged. The men and women who serve this country deserve
better.
We aren't talking about a "them". You are talking about unidentified and identified body parts from both living and dead military members. Quite often the remains of the deceased person are actually in a grave somewhere and had final honors. In other cases they were limbs of people atill alive....
Our government is out of control...so why do we expect anything less from our military? They burned Korans and caused riots and American deaths over seas and now they admit burying our beloved ashes of many who perished in the 9/11 attacks in a dump. What's next? I hate to imagine.
Totally off subject there.
At any rate, there's no book on this earth that can be burned and justify murder.
Totally off subject there? Our military commits 2 of the worst gaffes that we have seen in a long time. Wouldn't you expect that the main reason was probably lack of communications?..... which is usually due to an organization too large to handle anything very well. I think the comment was on target and pertinent.
Worst gaffes? Lets see, the books had been defaced by Muslims themselves (despite the fact they were oh so sacred to them) and then accidentally placed in rubbish where they were taken to be burned and then burned by non-military local nationals. Better yet, there has been absolutely no proof they were actually placed in the trash by military members, NONE! It could easily have been a set up to make the Americans look bad in front of the gullible. You look to be among them...
I think both organizations are too large for you to understand the simple fact that the Koran burnings came from individual actions, not the action of the entire military.
Look how the Afghans react to burning a book. Look how Americans react to having heroes and martyrs dumped in the trash heap.
They weren't corpses - they were bits and pieces - probably unidentifiable.
Yea, and unprofitable, Capitalism rules!
Mr. 29 - While I empathize with where you are coming from, save it for articles where it make sense. This isn't about Afghanistan...
REVALUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Revolution I wonder what "REVALUTION" is?
Ted, perhaps he meant Revaluation?
I had my tires "revalution-a-cated" once...I think.
Mike Austin-What word are you trying to spell? Whatever it is, you didn't. Your brain is showing.
The George W. Bush administration strikes again. Is anyone really surprised at this cover-up that was allowed to remain undisclosed for years?
I can't stand Bush either, but not everything has to be politicized.
Maybe you should learn to read:
It appears it happened under the Obama administration also.
REGARDLESS of which administration was in office, what has not been well noted is that these were body PARTS... little bits and pieces of remains. Possibly fingers, toes, maybe a jaw bone with fragments of teeth. They were NOT complete corpses.
I DO agree that they should have been interred in some location other than a landfill, as they were the remains of victims of an attack on this country, but the reality is that this is COMMON medical practice across the country.
Hospitals routinely have "remains" cremated and disposed in landfills. They do this with amputated limbs, removed organs and yes the occasional unclaimed body which the local authorities haven't claimed to "bury" in a mass grave.
It wasn't necessarily the right thing to do, but it isn't as bad as some assume.
Did yo mean to sign in as "Mindfart?"
Learn to read. The article states the practice ended in 2008 (before Obama took office). By your own quote it came under investigation in 2010. Which means if anything Obama gets credit for at least looking into it.
I know it's SOP for the right wing to blame all of Bush's mistakes on Obama. But sorry you can't blame President Obama for something that stopped taking place in 2008.
Use logic for Christ's sakes.
Remember how many times you saw republicans wrap themselves in the 911 flag then would not vote to give benefits to those that came to 911 rescue? Not until John Stewart exposed them on his show. Never would have seen that story on GOP fox news show. Bush Cheney lie/start fake Iraq war and abandon the first war started where Bin Laden last seen. That really honors 911 victims and those that came to rescue, and those that went to war for our country.
9/11 was an inside job!
And you are a nut job. Are you a moon landing nut as well?
Bush?Obama? Does it really matter when the puppet masters pull both of thier strings! Those of you D.A's who still think that democrat/republican is any different need to get your head out of your anus. They both work for the same boss's.
Thank you electriceye1. I thought i was out there alone. Now there are two of us. The democrats and republicans just push differant buttons to get the sheeple to vote for them. I could state incidents but i wont. Obama is no differant than all of his predicessors. One sells rocks and the other sells water and during the election they get all the sheeple fired up to buy either water or rocks. and when they get into office everything stays the same. they get the gold mine and we get the shaft. And a baby is born and one side says the baby will save the world and the other side says the baby is the antichrist and the sheeple jump up and down on command and barf at each other, and the leaders laugh at the sheeple.
Well we only got 299,999,998 more to go!
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that shi* better not be going on!!! and no im not going to be the one to stop it, but damn really?...... that is so much disrespect, i mean those were our men and women!!!! i dont trust any government of any country... and i might have to obey laws but i protect myself, i suggest everyone do that considering the whole world seems to be turning on each other!
Die for you country - get tossed in a landfill. This is just the stuff we're hearing about. There must be cargo planes more of shoddy, inane, and downright disgusting "mishandelings" we'll never be told. Now tell me, who is going to be held responsible...
Answer... No One!
They didn't die for their country. They weren't soldiers, just civilians in the wrong place at the wrong time. Anyway, let's not be distracted from jobs and the economy. Where some dust gets disposed of after the person is long gone is something we can be upset about when the big problems have been solved.
You know, I really really hate that term " Wrong place at the wrong time". They were where they had EVERY RIGHT TO BE!!!! Got that????!!!!!! They were at work! They were going about their business that day and they were the ones that had the RIGHT to be in those buildings. They were the victims of an attack. Do you understand that? People that are victims of opportunity usually are in places that they have a right to be in and are not to be poohpoohed. Do you even know what that day was like? Were you in New York or DC? I was and the fear still gets me sometimes. You FIDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
Has anyone ever frickinn thought to stop blaming government and blame the people who put them there? What is done is done and throwing blame at a past president will not fix the problem.
Tabitha.....You learn from history so that you will not repeat the mistakes. Welcome to the club of education. The past president was to blame from ignoring warnings to giving up trying to bring justice to Bin Laden. Bush Cheney started a second war for greedy war profiteering companies like Haliburton. When you expose the facts of truth, just maybe you won't vote for people like Bush/Cheney next time.
tabitha. you'd do well to learn from your respondent, starsailing. ignoring the idiots of our past...
...it causes people to make the same mistakes again. Like, for example, the tendency to try and send another moronic, evangelical, self-righteous, bible-thumping texas governor to the white house. does the name Perry help you realize how quickly some people forget?
No part of the remains of our servicemen and servicewomen should ever be put in a landfill. I don't care if it is just ashes. They need to be entombed in a respectful manner. Heads should roll for this. One of the problems with our government is that we have these rules that make elected officials exempt from being prosecuted for crimes while serving in office. Everybody gets to point fingers and nobody pays any price for what they do. Even when the person actually responsible is uncovered, there is nothing done to hold them accountable, so they have no fear of punishment. Why does everyone forget the crimes committed?
This article has such little detail other than the Air Force information. It seems more to rile up anti-Republican hate on a primary day than to really tell a story.
What were the remains? Where were they? Did they know they were dumping remains? I would just think that it is INCREDIBLY likely that if 3000 people did at the WTC, there is going to be human remains that get missed during clean up. Would you have really wanted people to go through every little bit of rubble, sifting all the dust and ash, to find every little hair and fingernail? Ground Zero would look no different today than it did 11 years ago.
I'll say the same thing I did when it came out that parts of service members were dumped. They absolutely made a mistake. They need better practices and more accountability. HOWEVER, these weren't whole bodies dumped in landfill. Remains of these people have been given to their families. However, AFTER the remains were sent to the families, another small part of the body was found. I would hope that when this happened, they would cremate it and put it with other similar miscellaneous parts and, when enough were collected, bury them all together. Unfortunately, instead of that happening, these small parts were just thrown away. Don't get me wrong, that's unacceptable. But it's not NEARLY as bad as the title makes it out to be.
Exactly. Nobody wants to get an arm in the mail. Oops. We found more of him. Where the heck are they supposed to put it? In another hole not called a landfill?
Is it only me but does this article make no sense? Its all over the place. And 9/11? The workers were digging to find anyone that might be alive. Who wouldn't believe that some remains may have been disposed of. But qualify the remains and quantify the content. I feel for the families as everyone in this country must. But this article seems only to hurt the feelings of the families for no reason.
The article was written to stir controversy, which it has succeeded in doing. If the author had no concern for any of the victins of that cowardly act, then that author should not be allowed to even get near a typewriter or computer again, but, the author does have the right to say what they want, as long as it is not offensive or inciting a riot. I wonder what the main purpose of bringing this up now was.
As far as what happened, the military is probably the most responsive arm of our government, but too many senior officers have now got the politicians syndrome, "Taint my responsibility, and I just gave orders that weren't followed properly. Don't blame me."
Bunch of Boolsheet! You blame the government for botching up everything; when it was government employees who reported the activity, private contractors who performed the dirty deed and a federal investigation that revealed the fiasco.
And then you complain that the government is out of control, inept, self interested, and then 35% go out and try and change the system, for better or worse. Action talks and bullsh!t walks. Whiny Assh@!es.
"You can't handle the truth"
The official story is laughable. What was the latest explanation by our Gov't for how WTC7 fell?
I'm no expert, but I would guess it was the two huge jet planes that crashed into it.
Clotho, watch the video of Building 7. You can see the charges going off and imploding the building.
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UnitedStates1776 -
See my posted response to you up above. You're an idiot. I've read most of your posts and you don't back up a single thing you ever say. Just blind, stupid rhetoric. YOU are what's wrong with America. Donkey punchers like you should just move to Venezuela and give up all of your freedoms instead of constantly bitching about them. Idiot.
No plane hit building #7 Clotho. No piece of the North Tower was ever identified as having hit building #7 either. So what set it afire, what had bombs going off in it prior to the Twin Towers' collapses, why did the NYCEOC emergency personnel on the 23rd floor abandon their posts before the South Tower was hit, why did none of the division chiefs go there to coordinate their response teams?????????? Time to face the reality, 9/11/2001 was a set-up inside job, planned by Cheney for 30 years.
You are almost right Paul except it was planned much earlier than that...just look on the 1958 $1 bill...its all there in code as planned by our 'Founding Fathers' to usher in the Illuminati aka the Masons or the Carpenters...I just got their box set...
Okay...one more time for you 9/11 conspiracy nutsacks: Pull your head out of your sphincter, stop watching so much sci-fi, go outside every now-and-then, get a girlfriend, take a breath of fresh air, realize that millions witnessed these things first hand and that the United States couldn't keep a secret if our future depended on it....oh, I forgot, all the witnesses were killed by the CIA and then those guys too were killed by the DIA who were killed by Agent Orange who was the man from U.N.C.L.E. who disappeared in the spaceship secretly kept at Area 51 which is just above your sphincter.
Cheney...really????? Dude...is it schrooms or acid or what that u r on???? Cheney???? Honestly....stupid, just plain stupid!
For all of you with a conspiracy theory, George W was not smart enough to pull off 9/11. It was a tragedy that was conspired by a group of extremists. God Bless those that lost their lives and their families.
Of course George wasn't bright enough to pull this off, it was the Mossad with inside help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel - Watch Bldg 7 fall.
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See what the scientists, engineers, metallurgists say. It was an inside job. People knew what the hi jackers were doing every step of the way. They wanted an excuse for a war with Iraq and to demonize Arabs.
@Ralph H So you're saying it was Israel? I'm sorry, sir, but that is quite laughable.
I am saying it was the Mossad that rigged the twin towers and Bldg 7 with nano thermite. Look up 5 dancing Israelis. I also am saying the Mossad had infiltrated the 9/11 hi jackers and knew all of the plans. Those hi jackers were incompetent for the most part and needed help from the inside, which they were most probably unaware they were receiving, in order to succeed.
The rigging of the towers, which was obviously a controlled demolition, could not have been accomplished by the hi jackers. It had to be someone with access to them for a long period. Silverstein should be interrogated using enhanced methods if neccessary. He had control of all 3 buildings. I am also sure some janitors and other maintainance people could have information.
Where was Norad in the hours between the hit on the towers and the hit on the Pentagon over 2 hours later? Perhaps one shoiuld ask General Shwartz.
Mossad had a hand in the "event". PNAC is full of ZIONISTS. The notion that 9/11 doesn't deserve a subpoena, security clearanced, and witness protection, empowered investigation is what is ludicrous. Anyone who doesn't support that kind of investigation into a mass murder of Americans on American soil, is an Accessory after the fact to murder. Obama and Eric Holder better start listening to that line of reasoning.
Do not blame the government for this mess, it is pure military screw ups, they deserve all the credit.
i bet you'd blame Obama if would have been president
Some comments on this thread are so asinine they are unbelievable. To actually blame George Bush is so stupid I have to question those that made the comments actual ability to face reality.
Do you even understand what the conditon of these bodies would be in?? There is no way that the remains would be identifiable and if there would have been an attempt or an attempt to pose these remains as individuals, there would have been another scandal that you would blame Bush on. Come on folks, George Bush....REALLY!!!! So asinine it is hard to believe anyone would even suggest this.
LOL - you must be new to these boards! If you are a conservative than EVERYTHING and ANYTHING bad that happens is President Obama's fault, if you are a liberal then EVERYTHING and ANYTHING is Bush's fault. That's how it is. Any questions??
Regarding the second half of your post: It makes NO DIFFERENCE what condition the remains were in. Are you incapable of IMAGINING a more dignified way, a way more respectful of taking care of them other than dumping them in a landfill??? Really you can't?? Really???
if you have a BRAIN, then you know the crap we are facing now is Bush's fault. wake up and stop licking Dumbya's butt!
So what? NYC Rats ate most of the WTC victims.