Ok, all you hard core, right wing, gun rights HUNTERS - don't fall asleep in your tree stand or it will cost you $2,500 and 364 days in jail.

...instead describing public property in one section as "a state park, recreation area, wildlife refuge, historic building, educational institution or natural green space."

I know you can't legally hunt in all the places listed. Does TN have state game lands?

Crminalizing homelessness in a State where the average folks cant get a job, are being laid off, and foreclosed from their homes; I would call that dumbass...

And then to infringe on free speech by not allowing folks to say something about government; I would call that redneck ploitics, where ya shoot yourself in the ass and ask questions later where you have no ass to seat on....

Wow, the mid of a teabag is something, aint it?

They would rather have taxpayers pay to house all the Occupiers in jail than let them peacefully protest? And where are the real criminals going to go?

In Tennessee, there are lands that are approved for hunting, and hunters must be licensed to participate. Of course, a lot of people in Tennessee hunt on family owned land.

Great move,Tennessee! You manage to be both anti-Christian (because, you know, Jesus really would believe in arresting people for not having a roof over their heads) and anti-democracy in one piece of legislation!

Tenn. should worry more about it's 54% functional illiteracy rate than the occupy movement.

When did we go from "land of the free, home of the brave" to this mess?

LOL.....just how many LIBERALS are going along with this legislation ?

Oh, forgive me...but if it was drafted by a Liberal, everything would be hunky dory.

The Occupy movement has completely STALLED months ago, as if there was an agenda. Time for the occupiers to pack up their bags and head home.

When you consider that people on the right favour privatized prisons this is a win win for them. Getting a guarantied payout from the same government they complain about is a pretty neat trick .

These lawmakers are absolutely hilarious........ Make martyrs of the occupy crowd...... Great idea! In the words of:

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win . by Mahatma Gandhi.

I am not even part of the occupy movement, but I am smart enough to know poking a stick at it or making ridiculous laws only increases the tension.

When did we go from "land of the free, home of the brave" to this mess?

When people thought defecating in public and squatting was a good idea. In other words when the brave turned into cry babies.

When some people started thinking of decades past as the "good old days" and started to try to recreate them. Back then, homeless people didn't exist, so lets just make them go away. And back then, people didn't protest the government or the unjust system we ended up with. It was far better... to their minds.

I feel bad for Nashville. First they had a flood to clean up. Now they have an even bigger disaster to clean up.

JedClampett@Bugtussel.USA

How dare you post an intelligent and factual reply...these are mostly liberals here - they don't want to here things like that here - it dosen't fit into their agenda...

Actually Jed, you've got that backwards. We liberal are the ones who deal in intelligence and facts. We believe in science, and prefer books to bullets. Even your boy Santorum admitted that when he dissed getting a college education as being snobby. Looks like you could use a refresher spelling and punctuation course.

Though I must say, you sure picked an appropriate name for yourself.

You're right, Mike. Jail ANYONE who wants to say ANYTHING about the state of our government.

And that includes you.

I think most of you bought into the headline, "criminalizing homelessness". You can be homeless without persecution, but you cannot takeover public property. This law does allow authorities to clear public parks of unwanted squatters. Here in Hawaii, one of the bluest of Blue States, they have passed laws to keep people from sleeping and storing their property in public parks and on sidewalks. We have temporary and transitional shelters for the homeless. The chronic homeless want nothing to do with those shelters because they choose not to live by anybody elses rules. It's hard to maintain you crystal meth habit in a shelter. Most of our homeless are there because of drug, alcohol, and mental health problems. Prior to our government passing these laws, we had public parks where regular folks were afraid to go. The Occupy folks and their supporters only use the freedom of speech line in order to defend their disruption to the normal use of these parks. Public property being squatted on is the issue, not freedom of speech. You can speak your mind while enjoying these public areas, you just should not be able to take up residence there.

Passing a law which could have a negative effect on society in general as the public and political establishment become more isolated from one another.

Love how the right will stand up for free speech and right to assemble when it is THEIR message... but when the other team does it, "Jail them".

We have gone from: "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"... to silencing any opposing viewpoint.

So much for honor and respect. You all should be so proud.

truthseeker

Republicans from the United States weren't in Germany during WWII. But the democrats were here in the US. In fact it was the leftie loon FDR who decided to round up US ctizens and put them in camps because of their nationality. He even did it against the will of his Attorney General. You can spew all the crap you want about the right in this couintry but if you really study history you will see that the left has been on the wrong side of equality issues most of the time.

Sean, you're off your liberal game today. Here's just one article addressing the millions of dollars that the Occupy Movement has cost those of us that stoill pay taxes. There are many articles easily accessible to you if you really want to know. I bet you don't.

Occupy protests costs taxpayers, cities nearly $13 million: survey

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wednesday, November 23, 2011

During the first two months of the nationwide Occupy protests, the movement that is demanding more out of the wealthiest Americans cost local taxpayers at least $13 million in police overtime and other municipal services, according to a survey by The Associated Press.

The heaviest financial burden has fallen upon law enforcement agencies tasked with monitoring marches and evicting protesters from outdoor camps. And the steepest costs by far piled up in New York City and Oakland, Calif., where police clashed with protesters on several occasions.

If you please Mike's Krotch, do you mean the legislators or the occupiers? Both can be scummy at times!!

@ Bobby Jones, another teabagger. Sad day in America when your very right to exist is challenged. The GOP want to make anyone and everyone that doesn't bend over backwards for them illegal in one way or another. And NO Booby I am not talking about actual Illegals.. Although..

The GOP want to make being gay illegal. They want to make gay people illegal. They want to control who you can and cannot be with, live with or even marry. The GOP want to force Judeo-Christian Sharia law on ALL of America and then rule with the iron fists of Christiandom. The GOP want to rule with a bible in one hand and a fully automatic weapon in the other.

Public Property? That is the biggest caveat in the law! Anything could be deemed as "green space," and/or "public property," since a government has immanent domain. The GOP are separating this nation further and further each day with bunk laws like this.

Elect a GOPer in 2012 for the President and we'll have WW3 with Iran, China, Russia, North Korea and, Venezuela. Willard and Ricky both want to invade Iran. Iran is a sovereign nation and has the right to develop ANY technology it see's fit. Hell we gave Israel the tech for nukes. Israel is going to be the downfall of America. Let them fight their own battles. We saved them total destruction and this is how they repay us? Lies about Iraq. A hand in 9-11.. America would be wiser to spend the trillions the GOP want to spend on war, rebuilding this nation instead.

“It chills the spirit of freedom of speech and assembly by targeting a particular form of expression,” said Hedy Weinberg, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee.

Yea, because camping on property intended to be accessible to everyone is clearly a "form of expression".. what a joke.

I like to "express myself" by robbing banks, think the judge will feel sorry for me?

"It’s criminalizing the right to exist as a human being. It’s outlawing homelessness."

Drama queen much?

The only time in American history where the right to exist has been criminalized is the recent fines imposed by Obamacare for living without purchasing health insurance.

No, it outlaws squating on property intended for use by the taxpayers who fund it's construction and upkeep. You can still be homeless, you just can't take over public property... pretty plain and simple, not too surprising that liberals can't understand it though.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So Tennessee thinks they have a law that trumps the US constitution. Notice the First amendment does not say where, when or how you are "allowed" to to speak and assemble only that the people have the right to peaceably assemble. It does not say the government can regulate that assembly. As long as it is peaceful. The GOP is lucky that the Occupy movement hasn't assembled in the town square with their weapons as their ancestors did at Lexington and Concord. Since you GOPers don't all know this, that is in Massachusetts.

@IndieParty

Love how the right will stand up for free speech and right to assemble when it is THEIR message... but when the other team does it, "Jail them".

Could you please post examples of where this has happened? FYI, the First Amendemt does not give you the right to occupy anything. These people can show up every morning for the rest of their lives to assemble and speak freely as long as they go home that night.

420 Frees the Mind

Seems 420 is clouding your ability to make accurate assumptions. It's also clouding your ability to realize your rights are not being taken away. They are preserving the rights of all citizens, not just the ones who feel since they squatted on "public" land first they are entitled to it.

Elect a GOPer in 2012 for the President and we'll have WW3 with Iran, China, Russia, North Korea and, Venezuela.

Oops I forgot what a wonderful job Obama is doing to prevent it.

@Devil's Son

So Tennessee thinks they have a law that trumps the US constitution. Notice the First amendment does not say where, when or how you are "allowed" to to speak and assemble only that the people have the right to peaceably assemble. It does not say the government can regulate that assembly. As long as it is peaceful.

You know what, I've got some stuff I'd like to protest about. I think I'll head to Washington and protest inside the Oval Office or maybe just on the front steps of the White House. If the Secret Service gives me any grief I'll just explain to them that the First Amendment gives me the right as long as I'm being peaceful. durrrrrrrr

Please get a clue about the First Amendment before you make any more assine statement regarding it.

does the 13 million include having to right some of the wrongs of the police brutality?

*sigh*

crap likes this happens because we didn't let the south secede. Why didn't we just let them become a part of mexico? Let them take alaska, too, every crazy ass state who whines and screams "nyah nyah nyah nyah-nyah" at everything. The people who care about fetuses and don't care about the living who are suffering and dying, the people who are worried about muslims flying airplanes into their homes but aren't worried about massive hurricanes which level entire cities, the people who vote for republicans while they do just about every corrupt thing they accuse democrats of outside of a few core principles.

Can't we just make a bill making them all a part of a different country? I'm sick of reading comments left by hateful morons a tad late for the stone age.

Occupy better come back every day and raise hell. @!$%# this law.

No problem Fox,

You can have the people who don't mind killing babies but want to let convicted killers live.

Anyone who supports a party 100% should have their head checked in the first place.

Ido, you idiot! There are few liberals left in the halls of Nashville. The crazies in rural and east tennessee voted most of them out last election cycle. This state has gone nuts, emphasis on the legislature. Since the Republicans took control of our state government then re-elected those two nutbag senators things have been going steadily down hill for small businesses of 5 employees or less and the working poor. Secondly, they say they are good steward!! What a crock. This is our state and our land and our people. We pay taxes only to find that they can't even manage to collect trash and break even. Our school systems are mismanaged. Our cities are mismanaged and now the state is mismanaged. If you want proof just look at what kind of crap they are creating and passing in Nashville. The Republicans have created more problems than they repaired.......and that's a fact. They want to have church in the chambers of our congress and then they want to talk freedom......................................sure.

@Sean,

Ryan, citation on "millions in damages" please

Here are few of those Documented Costs you asked about in 1.21

In Los Angeles, Democratic Mayor Antonio "Villaraigosa has said the cleanup and repair to the park might cost more than $1 million." Oh, and let's not forget the "overtime costs for city employees" during the "occupation." According to the LA Times, "Overtime costs for the General Services Department, which runs the police force assigned to City Hall and other municipal buildings, exceeded $100,000 even before the overnight raid [ending the 'occupation']."

www.gaypatriot.net/2011/12/10/how-much-will-it-cost-to-clean-up-after-occupy-movements/

Latest Occupy Portland cost estimate to repair Chapman, Lownsdale squares $50,000

www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/11/latest_occupy_portland_cost_es.html

Preliminary Report Reveals Occupy LA Cleanup Cost At Least $2.3M

losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/12/23/city-occupy-la-costs-at-least-2-3-million/

Occupy Movement's Price Tag Tops $20 Million …Much Higher Than the $13 Million That Was Previously Reported

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/occupy-movements-price-tag-tops-20000000-much-higher-than-the-13000000-that-was-previously-reported/

•Occupy Asheville – $170,000
•Occupy Atlanta – $652,000
•Occupy Austin – $110,000
•Occupy Boston – $575,000
•Occupy Charlotte – $105,000
•Occupy Chicago – $49,000
•Occupy Cincinnati – $128,000
•Occupy Des Moines – $7,800
•Occupy DC – $870,000
•Occupy Denver – $365,000
•Occupy Eugene – $20,000
•Occupy Fresno – $110,000
•Occupy LA – $120,000 plus estimated $400,000 to repair the lawn
•Occupy Long Beach – $40,000
•Occupy Minnesota – $400,000
•Occupy Nashville – $4,500
•Occupy New York – $7,000,000
•Occupy Oakland – $2,400,000 for police overtime alone
•Occupy Philadelphia – $500,000
•Occupy Phoenix – $200,000
•Occupy Portland – $750,000 3.5 million + $50,000 to repair damaged parks
•Occupy Providence – $9, 000
•Occupy Raleigh – $60, 000
•Occupy Sacramento – $300,000
•Occupy San Diego – $2,400,000
•Occupy San Francisco – $100,000
•Occupy St. Louis – $2,200
•Occupy Seattle – $625,999

– Total: Over $21,273,499

@Ryan, sorry for answering for you, I know you were going to get right on it.

RandomFox

You were talking about democrats weren't you? The people who don't care about babies in the womb, the democrat leaders of Louisiana? If you are tired of reading hateful comments from morons you better go to another site far away from the looney leftists here at MSNBC.

cjbak - look what the democrats have done to the whole country since 2007. Yes, they said that they would fix everything if we elected them in 2006. They have failed and it has made every state, no matter what party is in charge, go in the wrong direction. Get rid of the progressive/liberals and things will get better.

As a Tennessee resident, my advice would be go sue the state and steal the land through "Eminent Domain" and file it as property of the people and not property of the state. You could pretty much keep doing what you're doing, pissing off the 1%. I'm sure we have at least 1 judge in this state with some balls.

Nope, I'm completely on my game today. Now, bring me some itemized "damages" that equalled "millions" like I instructed.

What game? Lounging around in a lazy fashion "instructing" others to research and think for you? Yeah it seems your not alone in that game.

Backcountry,

Show me where the constitution gives the right to peacefully assemble during the day, ONLY. Go on, show me.

But we get it, you hate anyone with an opinion that is different than yours. They are obviously wrong, and you are right. And you would never defend their right to state their opinion... because they are wrong.

We get it, you hate them. They are against the lobbyist influence in Washington, you are for it... so they are wrong (in your opinion). I am just glad that not everyone in this country shares your love for lobbyists.

@Sean-336944

Now, bring me some itemized "damages" that equalled "millions" like I instructed.

You doubt the protests have caused millions in damages? What? Do you live under a rock?

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/01/30/oakland-tries-to-recover-from-weekend-occupy-damage/

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/23/la-faces-millions-in-costs-for-occupy-damage/

most of the time the police force in riot gear was not needed seems like it was a excuse to get overtime. Don't misunderstand I do believe police should be some what present. But the numbers and type of presence with the gear was not needed and i think in some cases cause problems that didn't need to be caused.

Random Fox, have you not ever left your state??? Guess what? The civil war ended long ago and there are really no "southern" states and "northern" states anymore. We have become globalized with people going where the jobs are and we didn't just start doing that last year. I am from the south and lived in the north for many, many years. There are idiots everywhere and from what I could tell, they are pretty much spread out evenly across the country. Get over the civil war mantra... talking about "stone age" mentality!!!

@IndieParty

Show me where the constitution gives the right to peacefully assemble during the day, ONLY. Go on, show me.

Why don't you show ME where the Constitution gives people the right to break laws in the name of protest. I know, you can't, because it doesn't. Cities have the right to impose curfews on public places, the First Amendment does not prevent local, state and Federal governments from imposing rules. By your "logic" (LOL!) I could pitch a tent in your front yard for 6 months and protest your ignorance.

But we get it, you hate anyone with an opinion that is different than yours. They are obviously wrong, and you are right. And you would never defend their right to state their opinion... because they are wrong.

Wrong. I'm a libertarian and am all about peoples rights, even those I don't agree with. I'm just not stupid enough to believe you can do whatever the fck you want whenever the fck you want to do it. The only people I "hate" are morons who don't know jack sh!t about the things they cry and whine about (hint, hint).

Right Tao, then when a riot breaks out and the police are not there in riot gear the same people would all be asking where was law enforcement to prevent this. Then attempt to sue the city for neglect.

Indie -

Could you show me where in the Constitution it says that sleeping, camping out, and generally trashing the environment in a public park is 'freedom of speech'?

Many times the police were trying to incite riots themselves so not sure how that is helpful.

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Why Did Portland Police Use Paramilitary Tactics on Occupy Portland Then Shift Gears After N17?

Parks get trashed after large community events all the time it cost money to repair them all the time.

Why don't you show ME where the Constitution gives people the right to break laws in the name of protest.

So instead of answering my question, you use a diversion tactic to twist the question around... classic debate tactic when someone does not have an answer, or does not like the answer.

Like I said, we have come from: "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I defend to the death your right to say it" ... to finding loopholes to silence speech we do not like. I hope you feel proud.

I'm a libertarian and am all about peoples rights

Please... I have seen your posts before. You are all about people having the right to follow YOUR ideology. That doesn't make you a libertarian, no matter how many times you tell yourself that in the mirror.

Could you show me where in the Constitution it says that sleeping, camping out, and generally trashing the environment in a public park is 'freedom of speech'?

Tammy,

Typically, in a debate, you answer the question posed to you first, before asking your own question. Jumping straight to your own question, ignoring the one I posed, is a desperate tactic that indicate you do not have the answer, or do not like the answer.

I am guessing you do not like the answer.

Random Fox! Obviously you have no connection to business or your community in general. I've lived all over the world and settled here because of the beauty of Tennessee. Little did I know that this state if full of people that have never left their little towns and know even less of what is going on around them other than what is spoon fed to them. That is the only reason I can think of that justifies this shallow thinking. Can you not see that we are of no concern to those in power at this time in our history? They want to privatize everything and say they will lower your taxes when in fact our pockets are overstretched paying for their brainiak ideas. This has been going on for 30 years! They want it all and want us to work for them just to pay their supporters for their services. This is not rocket science. When are you going to open your eyes and see that you are being scammed? Sure the Democrats have their faults but at least they found a way to keep our cities clean and our kids educated. ONE MORE THING...what banner politicians fly does not necessarily make them the better choice. It's their ACTIONS......and quite frankly what I am seeing will not benefit us one bit. Just them. This proposed law is as goofy as the fool introducing it and an over reach of our state government. She is just tired of looking out her window and see pissed off people. Run with it if you like but but I think you are screwy doing it.

It is your right to say and support whom you wish and my right to do the same and tell you you're nuts!

I live in the Denver area and saw firsthand the damage these "peaceful" protesters created. They assaulted police, burned property, left piles of human waste in the middle of a park. These "protesters" are the paid soldiers for the Obama reelection force. Rich libs paid these "patriots" to cause trouble and put themselves on TV. This entire movement was "astro-turf" and not a true grassroot organization like the Tea Party. I am sure that there will be a barrage of insults calling these people "Tea-baggers" or the 1%, but, at least they weren't paid by rich liberals to do their dirty work!

Gee - history repeats itself. This is the state of home-schooling today. In case anyone really cares - this has happened before. After WWI (the 'great war'), bonus marchers camped out in Lafayette park in DC. The veterans were promised bonuses (in a 1924 act passed by congress and signed by the president) because they enlisted and fought in the war. And in 1932, the country was in a depression and the government was 'broke' (sound famimliar?) - the veterans were told 'tough luck'. So the protesters took their protest to DC. Hoover (the republican in office) ordered the Attorney General to move the protesters out. Did not happen - so Hoover tasked McArthur (the Army Chief of Staff) to move them out. Our US Army opened fire on US veterans - and routed them. This atrocity is one reason that McArthur left the country and did not return until after WWII. This action helped the Democrats take over control of congress for over 25 years. Sounds like history repeating itself in Tenn...

My grandfather was one of the bonus army, and he never received anything that was promised by the 'World War Adjusted Compensation Act' of 1924. Just another instance of republicans screwing veterans.

I swear all of these brain washed liberal yo yo's are out in force today.

The funny thing is they speak of the rights spelled out in the constitution, but are the first ones to toss it aside when it interferes with advancing their agenda.

Bingo garcher!

The funny thing is they speak of the rights spelled out in the constitution, but are the first ones to toss it aside when it interferes with advancing their agenda.

Republicans do the exact same thing... what's your point?

Sorry Mr. R, the costs you quoted came from the gateway pundit. It's just 1 of a thousand right wing websites spewing rightwing lies and propaganda. More than likely funded by one of the Koch brothers. So I reject your numerical analysis of the cost of the OW.

@IndieParty

So instead of answering my question, you use a diversion tactic to twist the question around... classic debate tactic when someone does not have an answer, or does not like the answer.

And another classic debate tactic is to ask a stupid question that has no bearing on the discussion but I'll go ahead and bite. The Constitution does not say that protests are limited to daylight hours. Happy? Now why don't you answer my question. You still can't because while the Constitution does not limit protesting to daylight hours it also does not prevent those in charge from making rules about how public spaces can be used. For example I can't go protest on the White House lawn, the law prevents me from being there. I can't protest inside the Pentagon, the law prevents me from being there. I can't protest in the Washington Monument, it's closed now and the law prevents me from being there. Get it?

Please... I have seen your posts before. You are all about people having the right to follow YOUR ideology.

Well if that's the case you should have no problem coming up with some examples. You can just go ahead and click on my screen name and see every post I've made here so why don't you go ahead and post links for everyone to see. Stating MY OPINION in NO WAY infringes upon other peoples right to state theirs. btw- trying to discredit your opponent with BS is another "classic debate tactic". I've seen your posts also and as is usually the case you've made another post that can be best described as a failure.

Excellent law - time to rein in the outrageous conduct of those associated with the Occupy movement and their rabid left wing radicals that have taken over what was supposedly a peaceful movement that has become nothing but a violent excuse for anarchy

Rich libs paid these "patriots" to cause trouble and put themselves on TV. This entire movement was "astro-turf" and not a true grassroot organization like the Tea Party. I am sure that there will be a barrage of insults calling these people "Tea-baggers" or the 1%, but, at least they weren't paid by rich liberals to do their dirty work!

You are just screwing with us right? You seriously believe that the OWS protestors are paid off? Do you even do any amount of research before making such claims?
Grass roots like the TEA party who get big money from the Koch brothers through Americans For Prosperity? ;)

Mr. R. Those costs are mostly made up of police costs. Given that in many cases, the police severely over-reacted, it is a bit disingenuous to use those figures. If I forget my backpack full of books at a cafe table and you react by calling in the swat team, bomb squad and swarms of cops and rescue personnel, the cost is because of you, not me.

@Sean-336944

Back Country, suffice to say you've proved you don't know the difference between public and private property.

Suffice to say you are utterly clueless. The White House is PUBLIC PROPERTY but I'm not allowed to go there whenever I want to do whatever I want. Nor am I allowed to visit the parks in my city after they are closed even though they are PUBLIC PROPERTY.

Get it right and shut up until you do, Red State.

Not getting it right certainly hasn't prevented you from flapping your yap and spewing nonsense and gibberish so why don't you just piss off.

@Crazy and @Sean
The OWS became criminally active by remaining in the parks/land after they were considered closed or off limits.
The police force, was used to ensure the lawful peace abiding citizens safety in their protest, while at the same time they were protecting the rights of the non-protesters from being unduly harassed in their normal daily tasks.
The cities and the counties in charge of the parks/land showed great patience in most cases giving 15-60 days of protection to keep their rally going, their voice to be heard, or to speak to some substance about what they wanted to acheive.
So yes, the OWS was responsible for the extra law-enforcement and thus the extra wages.

@Crazy, I quoted from several sources on both sides of the News world. Ignore whatever pages you want. These are the AFTER affect costs (using generic web sites and quotes for the costs and only partially inclusive of the types of work that goes into building or repairing damaged public property)

This is for all the Bricklayers, Lawnmen, Garbagemen, and general laborers.
What is the cost for 8 hours of work, for 6-8 men on your team, to re-lay enough sod (www.turf-inc.com/prices.htm)
repair or replace the benches and or metalwork (gardenmetalwork.com/2011_trellis_price_list.htm)

The workers (wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_a_beginning_mason_or_concrete_block_layer_earn)
(wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_a_garbage_collector_earn)
(www.examiner.com/gardening-in-philadelphia/landscapers-and-gardeners-how-much-you-should-pay-and-what-they-don-t-want-you-to-know)

of course, most that would work in the park, are CITY or COUNTY JOBs, most likely Unionized, so add 10-15% on top of those wages, and ADD the police wages that are evident. Had the police not had a presence, with the crimes that were comitted, those crimes would have tripled as the civil unrest grew.

@Backcountry stated, just because its public property, does not give you ownership rights to it, nor to tear it up (vandalize, defecate, fornicate, habitate, use illegal drugs), or most importanly, DISRESPECT the people that carried the weight of the nation on their shoulders, earning that freedom, that park, that land, so that it could be shared by all.

MSpielman

I find it amazing how laws are passed and then defended by saying such a law was never intended for those groups of people. I guess if you are of the 1% you get to pick which laws you want to obey or enforce. It's really sad to see this country headed in the direction it is headed in. Next law enforcement will be able to detain us for ever without ever charging us with any thing, no wait they already can do that. From what I've heard that law only applies to terrorist and would never be implemented on American citizens, I believe President Obama made that promise.

@Taziar, the costs I outlined in my original post, all stated ... the cost to cleanup the occupy movement, not the COST to police the OCCUPY Movement.

if the law is used to violate the right to peaceful assembly how is that in line with the Constitution? No law shall abridged the right to peaceful assembly .

abridge

To reduce the length of or curtail.

So using the after hours law to disband peaceful protesters is a abridgment of their rights.

Squatting on public land should be outlawed. There should be shelters for all homeless people

and they should be compelled to use them or find other arrangements.

The vast majority of occupy are not homeless. They are coming together to peaceful assemble and form a

redress of grievances to present . But you are right to point out homeless has been a problem way before occupy started.

There should be shelters for all homeless people and they should be compelled to use them or find other arrangements.

How much are you willing to let your taxes go up to build them, and pay for the extra police to enforce it? I am betting not a penny, right?

I lol'd at this comment.

Nancy...you can pay for everyone's share of incarcerating all these people then since you love the idea so much.

And if I recall, that's about $40k/person.

I'm sure the state will accept your check...

Well at the rate of 40K a year, then it would be cheaper just to buy all of the homeless people each a singlewide trailer and pay their lot rents for a year.

nancy- Your giving up your bag of pennies? Finally gonna pay your share. Awesome, thanks!

@Ranman87

Woo hoo. More laws from the good ol' boys, looking out for their corporate interests and screwing over our rights.

Care to explain exactly which "rights" you're talking about? I'm not aware of any "rights" that allow you to break the law, which is what these protesters have been doing from the very beginning.

Yea, nothing protects "corporate interests" like allowing the taxpayers who fund the construction and maintenance of public property to use it, instead of allowing it to be taken over as a toilet/campsite for whining aholes.

(sarcasm)

Nancy is probably a he. No doubt posting from the state penetentiary

Backcountry164,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yes this law is breaking our constitutional rights! WE THE PEOPLE have a right to peaceably assemble and petition the Government. The constitution does not go into specifics on where, how, and for how long you can assemble it just says that no law can be made to prohibit the peaceful assembly of Americans. So the OW protestors are NOT breaking the law by assembling in a state park on peaceful purposes to petition the Government for more fair balanced laws.

@Tiffani-3754580

The constitution does not go into specifics on where, how, and for how long you can assemble...

EXACTLY!!!!!! It doesn't say you can do whatever you want. It doesn't say cities, states and the Federal government can't impose rules and laws. It just says you have a right to protest. Please do explain how this law will prevent people from assembling and exercising their freedom of speech? I'll bet you ANY amount of money that I know a hell of alot more about the Constitution than you do (apparently you don't even know to capitalize it). In fact I'll bet you haven't paid much attention to it before now and I'm absolutely certain you haven't read it. I'll loan you my copy if you need one, I've got it right here in my desk.

Hey Tiffani, why don't you let the Tea Party set up camp in your back yard? At least they would clean up after themselves after giving you a civics lesson on how to PROPERLY respect others property. Oh, I forgot.... the Occupiers want to take everyone's property and use it for the people. I guess that "representation without taxation" should be the Occupier's chant!

@Backcountry164 - I never said that they can do whatever they wanted! I said that the CONSTITUTION says that the states CAN NOT PROHIBIT peaceful protests no matter how long they protest or how many protest! And when you impose a rule or law that limits the rights to protest then you get into a VERY gray area of the law that I am sure even you are not familiar with. Free speech is exactly that FREE. The government can not and should not create a law that will LIMIT when and where you can speak freely because in doing that they will start to limit even more freedoms that we hold so dear to our hearts! That in essense is against the CONSTITUTION. (Did I capitalize it enough for you this time?) Now, I am from a small town where nothing much happens BUT I do study in subjects that I am interested in and I hold an Associates degree in Business so please do not try to put me down for making a comment towards your comment just because I did not capitalize one word that should have been! How childish can one get to point out an error in someones statement! I keep up on the news just as you do so I am not stupid in this subject!

Oh I forgot one point I was going to make! Psychology101 - when someone points out another person's errors it usually means that that person is not happy with their own life or has low self esteem! So which one is it Backcountry164?

Republicans never found a right they couldn't trample.

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Dan M-1100664 -

The OW protesters do not want to take other people's property and use it for the public. They want fair taxes for ALL not just for the wealthy, they want better restrictions on Wall Street so the same thing will not happen years from now like the Housing Bubble with relaxed regulations to who ever the bankers meet! They want fair laws that do not discriminate against certain groups. So this is not wanting others property but to give others the much indulged rights of the wealthy!

Now you mention the Tea Party and I will tell you right now that they are more likely to come to my house to protest BECAUSE I am middle class! The Tea Party are the complete opposite of OW! The Tea Party only want one thing; money! I have no problem with this as long as they are fair in how they get the money and that they pay their fair share in taxes just as I do BUT that will not happen because they are too greedy to share the BURDEN that we poor and middle class have on our shoulders!

Now before you go ranting on saying that I have no clue as to what I am talking about please remember that this is just my opinion and it is my RIGHT to express them just as it is yours. I have no cause or want to argue my own feelings in such matters as Backcountry164 does.

Have a great day!

@Tiffani-3754580

@Backcountry164 - I never said that they can do whatever they wanted! I said that the CONSTITUTION says that the states CAN NOT PROHIBIT peaceful protests no matter how long they protest or how many protest! And when you impose a rule or law that limits the rights to protest then you get into a VERY gray area of the law that I am sure even you are not familiar with

There is no grey area, it's all black and white. I'll ask you the same questions I've been asking others here, can I protest on the White House front lawn? Do you think I should be able to do that? Can I protest inside a military base? Do you think I should be allowed to? Inside the Pentagon? Every city in the country has places that the public is not allowed access to, should we be allowed access in the name of protest? Do you actually believe the First Amendment to the Constitution grants us that right? Government is allowed to make rules, in this case the rules do not prevent people from protesting. It prevents them from sleeping in a tent in the park.

please do not try to put me down for making a comment towards your comment just because I did not capitalize one word that should have been!

I wasn't putting you down for that, please do not attempt to over simplify my position in an attempt to reinforce yours. I was putting you down for not knowing jack sh!t about the thing you were bitching about. The capitalisation was just one example that was easy for everyone to see. It's a simple matter of respect for the document and it's a clear sign that, up to this point, you haven't spent a whole lot of time on the subject.

Tiffani-3754580

Oh I forgot one point I was going to make! Psychology101 - when someone points out another person's errors it usually means that that person is not happy with their own life or has low self esteem!

LOL! Nice try at an insult but it literally has me laughing. As you admit it usually means that. In this case it is simply a matter of being sick and tired of people grossly misinterpreting something I deem to be incredibly important, as we all should. The Constitution should be used as an excuse to do what ever you please and just ignored any other time. The OWS protesters have disregarded others Constitutional rights constantly.

The Constitution should be used as an excuse to do what ever you please and just ignored any other time.

edit #3.16- The Constitution should NOT be used as an excuse to do what ever you please and just ignored any other time. T

Backcountry164

I'll ask you the same questions I've been asking others here, can I protest on the White House front lawn? Do you think I should be able to do that? Can I protest inside a military base? Do you think I should be allowed to? Inside the Pentagon?

These area's are for government FUNCTIONS and in my opinion should not be protested on! The parks on the other hand are PUBLIC places where the PUBLIC has a right to protest peacefully again in my opinion! Your statement is comparing apples to oranges and does not deserve an arguement when obviously you have no clue of the difference.

Now to my error. I was by no means over simplifying anything! You pointed out an error I made in my typing that did not even relate to the subject (capitalization=free speech???). And if you want to compare my grammer skills to my love for my country then that is just sick! How can one say that another person does not respect something just because they made an error in their typing? Again that is childish! I have a love for my country just as you do and for the sacred document that has made this country what it is and even now when you are cursing me for simply making an error I thank GOD in Heaven that our country is the way that it is! I would have it no other way! Again, you have a right to your opinion just as I do so lets leave it at that. I have no wish to argue with you about my feelings on this subject (which is my right to have and express) nor do I wish to argue with you about the capitalization of a certain word.

Have a great day!

Backcountry164

I was not trying to insult you but mearly stating a fact! If you want to take it as an insult then that is your choice! Gotta love that freedom of speech! I am happy you got a laugh though it was sounding like you never laugh at all. And I respect your opinion and love for the Constitution which is very rarely seen these days even though our opinions are very opposite on the subject. You are very passionate about this subject but I implore you to try to look at this from all angles and try to make a judgement based on how others feel as well. These people are very fed up with what is going on in our government and they have a right to be. Now, I do not agree with all of the things that they have done but the movement DOES have credit. Again this is just my opinion. Thanks.

Tiffani-3754580

The parks on the other hand are PUBLIC places where the PUBLIC has a right to protest peacefully again in my opinion!

I agree but protesting and camping are, as you say, apples to oranges.

These people are very fed up with what is going on in our government and they have a right to be

Are they? Last time I checked we didn't have any major government offices located on Wall St. Seems to me that if that was really their issue they could have come up with a more appropriate name and place to start their protest.

Backcountry164

Wall Street caused the majority of the problems that we are facing now even in the economy, that is why they chose to protest there.

Again my opinion is that even though these people are camping in a public park they do have the right to do this as their protest movement. The Constitution does not state when, where and how a person or group should protest it just says that they can peacefully. Again in my opinion this is a gray area because the government is trying to LIMIT the protest which is against the Constitution and when the government feels like they can limit one thing they will start to feel that they can limit other freedoms which at that point will start to spread like a cancer. We as a nation can not allow the government to LIMIT our basic rights outlined in the Constitution because if we do our founding fathers would have fought for nothing!

Now if the protesters are breaking the law it should be handled such as rape, murder, public indecency and so forth but only for the one's who are breaking the law. The rest should be allowed to protest peacefully until their hearts content! That is why our nation is so great but when the government starts to trample on or limit the Constitution then something is very wrong.

Now if the protesters are breaking the law it should be handled such as rape, murder, public indecency and so forth but only for the one's who are breaking the law.

Please submit your entire list of which laws you believe cities should be allowed to enforce. Personally I believe they ALL should including trespass which is what the protesters are doing after hours. If I visit one of my small towns parks after the posted closing time I could be charged with that CRIME. If I were to pitch a tent there I certainly would be. I'll say it one last time even though you don't want to listen, the First Amendment to the Constitution does not allow you to violate ANY law, period!

You clearly have no interest in the Constitution otherwise you would see how far reaching your argument is. Quite simply there is no precedent for the type of behavior you are advocating, in fact, quite the opposite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Backcountry

if the law is used to violate the right to peaceful assembly how is that in line with the Constitution? No law shall abridged the right to peaceful assembly .

abridge

To reduce the length of or curtail.

So using the after hours law to disband peaceful protesters is a abridgment of their rights.

@Tao of wow

if the law is used to violate the right to peaceful assembly how is that in line with the Constitution? No law shall abridged the right to peaceful assembly .

As I've tried to make the point umpteen times now, governments have the right to make rules and laws regarding how public spaces that fall under their jurisdiction are used. Most of these laws are already in place and the various cities have simply chosen not to enforce them up to this point. The Constitution does not grant you the right to break the law in the name of protest. Example- it is against the law for me to set up a tent and "camp" in the parks in my town. Holding a protest sign does not change a thing, I'd still be breaking the law. I could come to that park every single day for the rest of my life to protest and no one could do a single thing about it as long as wasn't breaking any other law.

In regard to new laws, you'd have to be able to prove that there was no other legitimate reason for the law other than to prevent protest. Their is absolutely no way the protesters could do this for three reasons. First, they've been there for 6 months, they've been allowed to do basically whatever they want for this long so it would be impossible to prove that silencing their message was the sole reason for the new law. If people wanted them silenced why would they wait 6 months? Second, and more importantly, there have been MANY legitimate concerns for safety and public well being. Government has an obligation to provide both of these things to people whether they want it or not. If the governing body responsible for the area in question simply said "have at it, do what you will" they would be held accountable for any harm that came to anyone there. Third, and most importantly, the First Amendment does not give you the right to violate the rights of others. Camping in parks for months on end prevents others from using those parks. These protests have created severe financial distress on peoples and businesses located nearby. Businesses in NYC have had losses estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. What about the rights of those people?

Bottom line is that the Constitution protects peoples right to peaceable assembly and free speech but it does not prevent government from placing reasonable restrictions on where and when that can happen as long as they have legitimate reason for doing so. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater and you can't advocate the violent overthrow of the government. There are restrictions on the First Amendment whether you want to acknowledge them or not.

if the law is used to violate the right to peaceful assembly how is that in line with the Constitution? No law shall abridged the right to peaceful assembly .

It's no wonder you are having trouble with that concept. You clearly can't even understand how banning protest is a freedom of speech issue!

And I am having a hard time understanding how keeping people from pitching tents in a public park turns into "outlawing homelessness". The polemics are astounding.

FTA: The state's House of Representatives on Monday approved the Senate version of a bill -- the "Equal Access to Public Property Act of 2012" -- which prohibits unauthorized camping -- including sleeping and storing of personal belongings -- on public grounds, and the governor says he will sign it.

Are you honestly saying that you don't see how that could be a problem for homeless people? I mean, technically the street is a public ground...so...yeah.

They're not making it illegal to have long-term protests. They're making it illegal to sleep, camp, or store your stuff on public property.

And that's technically what homeless people do every night.

Are we forgetting about children who are homeless? Does this mean the state will arrest them and charge them with their parents for being homeless? Families are the fastest growing population of homeless. Has anyone thought about what this law will do to children?

So if this is an issue about freedom of speech, and as the ACLU states that the pitching of tents and sleeping in them is the occupiers way of protesting, then it must be ok for me and my friends to go and take a crap on the capital steps if I want to protest the government. I wonder if the ACLU would defend me on that? Just using my right to protest. You know. Freedom of speech.

No more all-night prayer vigils on the capital steps.

My dear Nancy, remember, you can disagree with everything I say, and I can disagree with everything you say.

We can honestly believe the other's opinions are destructive and harmful to society. We can wish as hard as we can for the other to stop talking and go away.

And neither of us can have our wish. And I like to think we would both be willing to die to preserve that right.

“It chills the spirit of freedom of speech and assembly by targeting a particular form of expression,” said Hedy Weinberg, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee.

Yea, because camping on property intended to be accessible to everyone is clearly a "form of expression".. what a joke.

I like to "express myself" by robbing banks, think the judge will feel sorry for me?

"It’s criminalizing the right to exist as a human being. It’s outlawing homelessness."

Drama queen much?

The only time in American history where the right to exist has been criminalized is the recent fines imposed by Obamacare for living without purchasing health insurance.

No, it outlaws squating on property intended for use by the taxpayers who fund it's construction and upkeep. You can still be homeless, you just can't take over public property... pretty plain and simple, not too surprising that liberals can't understand it though.

pjam,

"The only time in American history where the right to exist has been criminalized is the recent fines imposed by Obamacare for living without purchasing health insurance."

I thought that was the slickest part of the Healthcare bill. It made the bloodsucking insurance company's lobby shut up. I'm sure President Obama was smart enough to know that the Supreme Court would throw it out. You'll be able to go without insurance until you need it, and the Corporate Death Panels won't be able to deny you for a preexisting condition. The vampires are going to get sucked dry. I'm thinking I might take a part time job selling insurance on commission and just go hang out in front of the hospital, with a stack of policies. A guy could make bank.

SonofMollym, the Occupiers won't ever be forced to pay for the insurance. They will be the first inducted into Obama's "Civil Defense Force" that he spoke of when he was first elected. They will as well funded as the military and have even better benefits. I believe in Germany these people were known as "Brown Shirts"!

Dan, better quit smoking that weed. Any more paranoid and you'll be hiding in your house peeking out the windows for the black helicopters while piss is running down your leg.

Wow, Dan - I've read several of your posts and wonder where you come up with this stuff. Brown shirts? You really need to calm your jets; if you're worried about tactics comparable to those of the Nazis, I suggest you take a good look in your own back yard. I knew one of you folks would come up with the Nazi crap. So, tell me - is Obama a socialist or a Nazi? Come on! How about an answer (National Socialist Party had nothing to do with their actual actions or intent, so don't try using their name as an excuse...kind of like "Republican Party" has nothing to do with a republic).

To show Dan's(and other conservatives) confusion, among the first targets of Hitler's Brown Shirts were members of Germany's communist party. So is Obama a Nazi, or a communist? He can't be both!

WAAAA, WAAAA, WAAAA, LIBERALS CRYING and WRINGING their hands !!!! LOVE it , REMEMBER Vote conservative in 2012 !!!!! WAAAA, WAAAA, WAAAA !!!!

And the swing voters. Don't forget about us. We are worried about the erosion of rights, and the encroachment of government control. Aren't you?

Oh, @Sally, I boo hooed all day. ROFLMAO

You do realize about a third of the homeless adults in this country are veterans right?

The ACLU is also against race-based discrimination, the removal of religious freedoms, and the marginalization of women's rights.

Would it be correct to infer that you are also on the opposite side of those issues as well, or are you just espousing a reflexive hatred for an organization you clearly know little to nothing about?

Yes, those homeless veterans should be shot! All they are doing is freeloading off the rest of us taxpaying, non-military serving Americans. Isn't shooting the unemployed the Republican way? That's their plan to lower the unemployment rate. If they can't kill them off while they are in the military, do it at home. Can't be wasting resources on them if they aren't millionairs already.

tammy do you even know what ACLU stands for? holy crap man! they are the people who stand up for YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES. omfg keep swallowing the crap that is spooned into your mouth.

Fact of the Matter--------- cite your evidence lying lefty

Nancy,
You strike me as the type to not let facts get in the way of partisan politics.

And I bet she don't wear dem dare shoes either!

Nancy, you have posted lots of vitriol and threats on here for all to see, in an apparent attempt to show everyone that you know how to post, yet have no idea what you are talking about. Additionally, you seem to like making personal attacks, such as accusing people that do not share your opinions of lying or whatnot. While spewing hate seems to be a natural bent for you, perhaps you might try using something called facts and research to back up your rhetoric...if that concept isn't too foreign to you.

As far as statistics concerning veterans among the homeless, perhaps you could take a second away from posting on every thread here and try a simple search on the Internet. If you tried it, you would almost immediately get the answers you obviously don't really want to hear. For an example:

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) states the nation’s homeless
veterans are predominantly male, with roughly five percent being female. The
majority of them are single; come from urban areas; and suffer from mental
illness, alcohol and/or substance abuse, or co-occurring disorders. About
one-third of the adult homeless population are veterans.

That is from the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans Web site, but maybe they are lying too, huh?

How many states is the ACLU suing now for enforcing America's border laws.... Arizona, Nebraska, Alabama, etc...

The ACLU hasn't been for America for a long time, it is mainly about elitist bleeding hearts attempting to make themselves feel better about themselves by "helping" others... no matter many people those others victimize themselves.

Elitist. Rich. It's amazing that the wealthy and their minions have the unmitigated gall to accuse others of being elitist. Especially when it makes absolutely no sense. Kind of like calling the desire to enable people to attend school something a snob would want.

Do you folks have any idea what the ACLU actually does? Have you done any research? See, they protect YOUR rights, not just those of people you don't like. Unbelievable.

Sean -

No, the ACLU doesn't - Their LAWYERS do!

Do you even have any idea of what the ACLU has become?

Of course not, you can't see the damage that they have done to this country in the recent past.

Granted, they started out doing things for the right reasons; however they have since become just another outreach program for progressives in their attempt to subvert the Constitution of the United States. Why don't you try to look up their recent court cases...

Fact of the Matter--------- cite your evidence lying lefty

Sure.

http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) states the nation's homeless veterans are predominantly male, with roughly five percent being female. The majority of them are single; come from urban areas; and suffer from mental illness, alcohol and/or substance abuse, or co-occurring disorders. About one-third of the adult homeless population are veterans.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-07-homeless-veterans_N.htm

Veterans make up one in four homeless people in the United States, though they are only 11% of the general adult population, according to a report to be released Thursday.

(Note that this is 1/4 of the entire homeless population, but 1/3 out of the adult homeless population)

Also keep in mind that statistics cited by the VA for example only take into account the veterans that they are aware of, not every veteran goes to the VA, particularly if they have mental disorders. The number could be much higher now with the return of many of our warriors from Iraq.

So yeah, what now Nancy you baseless accusation flinging conservative?

Nancy, you have posted lots of vitriol and threats on here for all to see, in an apparent attempt to show everyone that you know how to post, yet have no idea what you are talking about.

Oops, I forgot to mention Left, with regards to 'Nancy:' DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

Of course not, you can't see the damage that they have done to this country in the recent past.

We can't see it because you haven't cited any examples.

Why don't you try to look up their recent court cases...

Ordering someone to look up information to support your point of view isn't the most effective way to articulate a position, just some friendly advice.

@Okeeboy

I guess the powers that be are seeing if its possible to make the protesters ramp up to some other form of getting their message across.

You mean like going home at night and coming back the next morning? I really don't understand why that wasn't being done to begin with, laziness? What other reason could there be?

Destruction of public property (like McPherson Square) is not among the individual rights endowed by the Creator.

nobody said it was, go

Do tell us how these folks have infringed upon YOUR rights Nancy? What have they done to make your normal day worse? NOTHING. You are just a bag of wind that is so blinded by the brainwashing of these neocon hypocrites. Tennessee, last in just about everything, right down there with Mississippi and Alabama.

@verno

Hey Nancy you idiot. How are they infringing on your rights?? Cite examples instead of just blowing smoke out of your butt!!

I can't speak for Nancy but just in general... Blocking sidewalks and bridges, shutting down ports, breaking into government buildings, vandalism, trespass on private property, just to name a few. You guys act like these protesters have been the epitome of moral standing and good will when in realitya whole lot of them are nothing but d-bags and a-holes.

Disrupting government and commerce is now an "individual freedom"? ... you must absolutely outraged about being fined for simply not purchasing health insurance then.

Does any one here actually know what the OWS is about?

The “OWS – Manifest” ----– by: Michael L Marowitz.

The message of OWS ought not to be lost because many of its participants are young, leaderless, filthy or clean. They share one thing in common—they’re unemployed or underemployed, as are many Americans. The message is simple: America is politically corrupt. Corporations now dictate public policy. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are now bought and sold to act in the best interests of their contributors, and not in the best interests of the public. Our representative democracy has been reduced to a corporate oligarchy.

Moreover, the Republican Party, acting in lock-step unison, has become the main instrument by which wealthy people compel a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper classes through tax policy and other means. That transfer of wealth can be easily seen by anyone who isn’t overwhelmed by Teapublican dogma. For example, worker wages, when inflation is taken into account, are about what they were in 1978, a staggering reflection of stagnant wages since Reagan’s time. This clearly reflects how, over the last 30 years, businesses have succeeded in defeating labor unions as effective advocates for workers. By comparison, “the top 1%” of income earners saw their after-tax income shoot up a whopping 275% between 1979 and 2007, and in the process more than doubled their share of all income, jumping from 8% to 17%, according to a new report from the Congressional Budget Office.” http://www.newser.com/story/131888/income-of-top-1-shot-up-275-since-1979-cbo.html. It is now the case that the top 20% of annual income earners in the United States control 85% of all annual income. http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html. The remaining 80% fight over the remaining 15% of the income—the left-over scraps .

As a practical matter, workers’ pay has been stagnant ever since Republican hero Reagan started selling Milton Friedman’s economic snake oil, which has variously been called “austere capitalism,” “laissez faire capitalism” or “neoliberalism.” Supposedly in order to take full advantage of the blessings of capitalism, Friedman and his colleagues at the Chicago School of Economics prescribed “trickle down, supply-side economics,” deregulation of business, and eliminating government jobs by privatizing governmental functions (think Blackwater providing security for generals in the Green Zone, McDonald’s feeding our Iraq soldiers, private enterprises running prisons—a great way for Republicans to reward big campaign contributors, further corrupting democracy). When Reagan said, “Government isn’t the solution to people’s problems, it is the problem,” he was preaching Friedman’s gospel. Every Washington economic adviser since 1990 (among whom are Volker, Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Summers, Paulson, Geithner) has been a Friedman acolyte. Friedman’s theories make up today’s orthodoxy in economic departments of universities, subscribing to them is a requirement for obtaining loans from IMF or the World Bank, and Geithner, one of those who helped install Friedman-inspired policies that led to the great financial collapse of 2007-08, is now the architect trying to undo their calamitous effects. We’ve been living for 30 years subject to a radical economic tyrant. To those who would dismiss this as “nonsense,” bear in mind that implementation of Friedman’s ideas has led to the enrichment of the wealthy and the impoverishment of the middle class in Pinochet’s Chile, post-Glasnost Russia, and Lech Walesa’s Poland.

While Teapublicans dwell on tax reductions, bloated government, welfare queens, 2^nd Amendment rights, Obama as socialist, Obamacare as socialistic, bringing prayer into our schools, and maintaining bigotry against homosexuals, all because they have a tendency to believe in sheer fictions and and to be frightened easily by fairy tales articulated by angry, hubristic and often dull-witted rhetoricians (Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck), OWS has triggered a slumbering giant—those who have been screwed by a rigged political system that operates for the benefit of the wealthy at the expense of ordinary working people. They know that the “job creators” who enjoyed the fruits of higher worker productivity during the 90s and 2000s and got a massive tax cuts under Bush, have gladly accepted their tax cuts, bailouts and trillions in profits earned during Obama’s Presidency and are either sitting on those trillions of dollars or are shipping jobs to newly established factories, call-service centers (don’t they all seem to have an Indian accent?), and businesses in other countries with starving workers who aren’t represented by unions and will accept way-below minimum wages, thereby generating even greater profits for their corporate masters.

All Teapublicans who denounced Kevin for his naivete or alleged lack of education are nothing less than indoctrinated, ill-educated lemmings who prefer to believe corporate drivel. They like being corporate serfs, at least until the full impact of the ongoing income transfer is complete—when America will be a Third World country. After government has been dismantled (yes, Uncle Miltie, you won!) and federal income taxes are lowered (even though they are as low as they’ve been in 50 years), when they won’t have high taxes and bloated government to whine about, they won’t like rolling blackouts more than once per day, or the fact that there aren’t enough cops to catch criminals, not enough district attorneys to prosecute offenders, that interstate calamities/catastrophes won’t be addressed yet alone fixed (Katrina’s destruction of New Orleans will be the model of efficiency), potholes will never be fixed, that pollution will go completely unabated, public parks will close (already happening in California), potable water will be much more expensive, etc. The only benefit to Teapublicans will be that illegal immigration will stop—for undocumented aliens, the only reason to come is for the jobs, which will no longer exist).

In other words, OWS stopped believing in right-wing propaganda and are demanding economic equity and an end to political corruption. Their message will survive their end because it’s the main fight over the future of the United States.

#285.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST

Thank you.

The OC is the group that believes that its their right to take destroy and vandalize public spaces for their own agenda. The OC Groups are violating my right to use Public Spaces that are free from disease and safe. The OC Groups are neither safe or disease free or safe. They are areas that are used for drug use, spread of infectious diseases & filthy. The OC Groups are out for themselves and no one else - they don't really care about the homeless or any legal, working tax paying American. Their belief that others "owe them a life" and everything for them should be paid for by others and free for them. They are nothing more than a bunch of drugged out, filthy deadbeats that need arrested for the crimes against the property of others. If Law Enforcement & Politicians can't handle the OC Groups, there are others that are willing and able.

no need to worry you also have Arizona.

I don't know about that Buffalo, it could be a toss up.

Buffaloes, -------Put it on a button, pin it on your chest get out in public, debate people.

Any one can sit behind a keyboard

Have you ever been to Nashville? It's an affluent, vibrant city and EVERY person I have personally met, especially those from the tri-cities NY/NJ/CT area, LOVES it. Did you know that Belle Meade of Nashville, TN, is #3 of the "100 highest-income places with at least 1,000 households" in the US, ahead of EVERY place in California and New York? I suppose not, after all - Nashville, where this legislation originates, is just a poor dilapidated city ...

Clearly the case Nance. You're the prime example.

Forget Mississipi,as long as california stays in the union your're fine.

Nancy, how many times do you need to be banned and change your name?

Yeah, California with the highest GDP in the entire country is obviously more backwards than Tennesee. The seat of innovation (Silicon Valley) and the center of American film culture, the front runners in alternative energies with huge solar and wind fields, obviously behind Tennessee. Keep doing as you're told and hate your own country's culture because the state is "liberal".

But I bet you still use that iPhone on your way to that new movie, so California thanks you for those dollars.... Nitwit.

The idea is simply that Nashville is not some poor dilapidated city as other posts have indicated. Nashville is an affluent and progressive city, full of colleges, and also has tremendous wealth (see above stat for example). CA is of course a notable state for the items pointed out above (and for items not pointed out, which include among others their outstanding university system). It is interesting to note that Nashville is a top market for VC firms, especially in healthcare, and politically speaking, is quite moderate. I live in NJ right now, am well-traveled in the world and throughout the US, and I am counting down the days till I can move back to Nashville.

Dangerous -

Evidently you failed a course in logical reasoning as there is absolutely no way that GDP equates to an area being 'backwards' ---

---Unless you mean that California is backwards.

No, all those things are to much work. Just shoot them dead and bury them in a mass grave. You know, like the Nazis and Camerouge (spelling?)

Okay...well how about YOU and everyone else who supports these "Occupiers" (they're actually not homeless - they're worthless!) pay for the clean-up, repairs, and damage that they lazy jerks cause and leave my tax dollars out of it.

Sure! Right after every anti-choice zealot adopts an unwanted child.

TireOfLies, Dumbest comment ever. Do you know how hard it is to get an adoption right now? How much money it costs. You see Anti-Choice zealots going to China to get unwanted Children because there are not enough here in the USA. I do not mind stupid comments, but jeebus dude.

Nancy, snookie, can you post pages 124-126 for me? I am not a "lefty", but you "righties" really need some new material, too. Anyway, you seem to have a copy of a book I have never read, maybe I can get you to post the entire book.

I despise both political parties and the people that defend and support them. I cannot believe there are so many stupid and gullible people in this country.

@jsteph67:

I'm going to assume that you just did not fully understand what I was trying to say, so I'm back to help.

Our good friend Mr Clampett stated:

Okay...well how about YOU and everyone else who supports these "Occupiers" pay for the clean-up, repairs, and damage that they lazy jerks cause and leave my tax dollars out of it.

My response was to him. He seems to think that there should be a negative consequence to supporting OWS, and the penalty should be financial in nature. I am inferring that he is saying "put your money where your mouth is". As a result, I endeavored to put the discussion in terms he may better understand. To whit, when it comes to denying women access to abortion (still legal in this great nation!), the anti-choice crowd appear to be nothing but hypocrites when they flatly state there should never be another abortion, yet they do nothing to relieve the burden on society (and the State) that is represented by unwanted and unadopted children.

I essentially stated that anti-choice folks should put their money where their mouths are, while exposing the inherent hypocricy in Mr. Clampett's comments.

Sorry if I lost you along the way.

You know even in california it is a law to have proper state issued ID right?
You can be detained until they can identify you to their satisfaction.
When did cali become republican?
And if your state charges $50,00 for a picture ID you're being ripped off.

Yeah golliegee and guess who passed that law in CA? Republican politicians.

You don't know anything about Cali so stop making uninformed stupid observations about a place you know knothing of. The central valley of California is solidly Republican and agricultural. Orange County, CA is the most Republican county in the entire country. But stay attached to your sad Faux-colored delusion about a place you've never been to. It's obviously full of debauchery and evil liberals with no morals because Rush tells you so.

I sure am glad I call California home so I can live in a modern society away from backwater ignorants.

Dangerous -
Then, why haven't the democrats now in charge of the state repealed the requirement to have an ID?

I don't think the SCOTUS has any jurisdiction over state owned property. The law doesn't say people cannot protest, gather, speak, worship, etc. It simply says that people cannot camp on public lands. You know, the federal government has the same law.

I unfortunately live in TN. I hope to relocate in the near future. This is outrageous!

Not just TN, lefty number of states talking about it.

We enjoy the though of the leftys trying to live on what they are worth, when all the working people are gone.

I wish I still lived in Tennessee. It's home.

Archangel-------- I live in Tn too, move on a weekend, we can find a lot of people that will cheerfully help your handouter butt, move.

Good idea Mnizzle. They should secede right after SC, MS, FL, AL, GA (see a pattern here?), LA, TX, VA, AK and NC. Then, I could become a spy for the Union. LOL

Wow! Clearly, you have never been to Tennessee. It is one of the most beautiful states in the US. It is home to ORNL (Oak Ridge National Laboratory), the University of Tennessee (Knoxville, Chattanooga, Martin, and Memphis campuses), Vanderbilt University, East Tennessee State University, Middle Tennessee State University, Tennessee Tech, Tennessee Wesleyan, Carson Newman College, University of Memphis, Rhodes, etc. It is also the management headquarters of the Tennessee Valley Authority and the home of manufacturers such as Volkswagen and Kimberly Clark as well as a host of other companies - see http://uscity.net/tennessee/Manufacturers/ for more information.

You might do well to do your research before you decide to type such offensive tripe.

also its home to the one cell brain creatures i.e" human beings"

Did you know that Belle Meade of Nashville, TN, is #3 of the "100 highest-income places with at least 1,000 households" in the US, ahead of EVERY place in California and New York?

Imagine someone with a name like shallon stereotyping a group of people.

Imagine a person with a name like golliegee applying stupid stereotypes to a state he doesn't know anything about. Oh wait I don't have to, the mouth-breather already did it twice on this article alone.

Why? Because the state government has decided to not allow a bunch of ne'er-do-wells to take over land that belongs to all?

The founding fathers would have nothing to do with the homeless, most of them were very rich and were in the top 1% of the top 1%. In fact, Benjamin Franklin did not like certain ethic groups and thought they would destoy the English culture.

No, because legislators use the first amendment to wipe their bottoms with in Tennessee.

First Amendment: "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES.

Why? Because the state government has decided to not allow a bunch of ne'er-do-wells to take over land that belongs to all?

So, GoUSA, you feel that the right to free speech should be taken away? You really want to give up your right to protest? And you want to do this because Fox "News" made you believe that the OWS movement and the 99% movement is a ploy of the Democratic party, right? Do you understand what freedom is? Do you want to be indentured to mega insurance companies, mega banks, and mega corporations for the rest of your life? Hexx, we are almost there! And it is because of Democrats AND Republicans.

I guess as long as you have your guns (which nobody really wants to take away from you, even those evil Democrats) and your "faith" you are in Gods hands, right?

So your agruement is the homeless are peaceably assembling and petitioning the government? or That occupy wall street ever petition the government, because I have not seen a petition for the redress of grievances. I do not see any thing about protesting which is not petitioning.

So david are you as upset with the constant assault against the 2nd amendmant as well?

Note that your quote of the 1st amendment doesn't say anything about "...peaceably to assemble..." can't last overnight and for days, weeks or months.

So "peaceably assemble" means "pitch a tent and establish a permanent residence"?

Even as right wing tilted and corrupt as this SCOTUS is it will overturn this and Tenn will have wasted millions of taxpayer money arguing the case through all of the courts.

So much for less-government republicans.

Hypocrites.

If the gov. would listen- then the people would not have to stay and camp out. I am not a member of the OWS however I fully support any group that wants to peacefully protest to be heard and represented. This is our right .

Evil: No one said anything about a permanent residence. In fact, I would think a tent would definitely NOT qualify as permanent, wouldn't you?

But the 1st Amendment does NOT place a time limit on how long "we the people have the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, " does it, Mr. Evil?

Erinsfire42,

You have hurt my feelings with your harsh words. Therefore, I am going to assemble a crowd to protest at your house. We will bring tents and camp on your lawn for an undisclosed period of time. Thank you for understanding and allowing me to exercise my rights.

Evil has apparently decided that ErinsFire is the government - isn't that special? While I am not certain, Evil, I would think that ErinFire's property is private property (i.e., not paid for by taxpayers), therefore would not be applicable for your protests (but likely liable for trespassing). Perhaps you are trying to be cute, but it really just makes you look silly.

Thank you, Dionysus! EXACTLY RIGHT!

No they are not. They are saying that it is illegal to camp on the land. Every park in this country has hours of operation after which it is illegal to be on the grounds.

But just say that what you are saying is correct: The White House is public property as is the US Capitol. Do you think that people should be allowed to camp in the Rose Garden? How about in the halls of the Capitol?

if the law is used to violate the right to peaceful assembly how is that in line with the Constitution? No law shall abridged the right to peaceful assembly .

abridge

To reduce the length of or curtail.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

Yes its OWS fault for protesting that made Tennessee lawmakers are taking away their rights along with everyone else in that state to assemble on public property..... congratulations you have the most ignorant statement on this article...

I do believe you're missing the point.

It is the TN lawmakers that have created this pungent piece of legislation, not the protesters.

Your comment is akin to criticizing a European Jew circa 1940 for making life difficult on the Gypsies.

no our gov did a good job of that

@ Dave555-1684791

No the Republicans did that Dave with this law, it is unnecessary and what is it that they fear so much, the truth maybe...

Dave: OWS did not propose nor enact this law. Who is really loony here?

Thanks ows for the GOOD WORKS........

• Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
• Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
• Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
• Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

• Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
• Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
• Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
• Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
• Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
• Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
• Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
• Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
• Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
• Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
• Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
• Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
• Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
• Occupy Oakland – Death threats
• Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
• Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
• Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
• Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

• Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
• Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
• Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
• Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
• Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp
• Occupy Portland – “I get high“

• National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

• Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
• Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
• Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
• Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
• Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

• Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

• Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
• Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
• Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
• Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
• Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
• Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
• Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
• Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
• Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

• Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
• Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
• Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
• Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
• Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
• Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
• Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
• Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
• Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
• Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
• Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
• Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
• Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
• Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
• Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

• Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
• Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
• Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

• Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
• Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
• Occupy Vancouver – Young woma

wouldnt let me post it all. Gratz on your fine works.

Right on Dave! Thanks for the sampling of our greater society.

you should provide links to each story

meh, just pick one and google it. I find the foot smeller kind of funney. That list is not even half of what these GOOD people have done.

youtube
Why Did Portland Police Use Paramilitary Tactics on Occupy Portland Then Shift Gears After N17?

Common cents blog has the exact list you posted

The link for assaults SF

starts out as such "Hang out for a while at Occupy SF and you will encounter two distinct camps. One is operated by a core group of leaders who are smart, peaceful and genuinely dedicated to the global movement against economic inequality. The other is dominated by addicts, opportunist, and people suffering from mental illness."

I don't see how the second groups bad behavior has any thing to do with the first group.

• Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
• Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
• Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
• Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
• Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
• Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
• Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
• Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
• Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
• Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
• Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
• Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
• Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
• Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
• Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

These cities never had these crimes before Occupy? People who do this behavior are wrong. Occupy in no way supports this behavior

There was apparently a suicide in the parking lot of a Tilted Kilt in the Chicago area. Therefore, all Tilted Kilts should be closed, and possibly all parking lots.

Has anyone posted on all the assaults that the police were committing during these protests? An elderly woman was pepper sprayed, a man hit on the head and was in a coma for I think a week, a very pregnant woman who was pepper sprayed then pushed to the ground on her stomach and handcuffed, and many more acts of injustice against WE THE PEOPLE! Oh and by the way Dave you can't judge everyone in the OW movement as being homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, lazy or dumb. There are a lot more REGULAR people in the OW movement than there are of what you just described. And YES they DO have the right to protest, it is in the constitution. The constitution says this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There is no time limit on how long a protest can go on, there is no limit on what public property it can be held on, and there is no limit on how many people can protest! The only limit in the constitution is that the STATES CAN NOT PROHIBIT THESE ACTS IF THEY ARE DONE PEACEFULLY!

Thank you OW for pushing for our rights to peacefully protest in a time when this government wants to control everything we do yet they claim to want smaller government! Thank you OW for pushing for the rights of regular working class citizens against the big corporations, republicans, and Wall Street! Thank you OW for fighting for the middle and lower class citizens who have been railroaded by the same big corporations, republicans and Wall Street who REFUSE to pay the same in taxes as we do!

I'm from Detroit, and gotta say - pretty proud not to make your list (for once). And I thought we were the bad asses. Guess not so much. Question though - in the Occupy Lawrence; Assaults/Threats section, was the punch thrown ever landed? Just curious.

TAO, re-read all the posts again. Occupy is not an individual entity. It was a collection of Individuals with their own identity. If the OWS had leaders, and a charter or a plan, with their own checks and balances, then their protest would have been brought through the appropriate systems, and would have been debated in Civil Court.

In most cases the protest started with the correct idea, a VOICE, but then, by Blockading others from using public parks, or from normal daily activities, (going to work, going to the store, walking their pets) they violated other people's rights to have free acess to that same space as well. That, alone is enough to think that any leaders you may point to as leaders, FAILED. They essentially collapsed upon themselves, allowing Anarchy to be the norm, and of course anarchy is great fiction in Hollywood movies, but In real life a society has to function (believe it or not, with all our differences, prejudices) as one.

The fact that the cities tolerated the sleeping in tents (in clear violation of park regulations) from 15 to 90 days before Eviction, means they were given a chance to become ONE VOICE, a Reason for their start, and their gathered exsistence. NO voice came, because again, they were a collection of individuals, each with their own morality, ideas, and lifestyles that did no conform to a rational human society. They chose to take an idea, that the rest of us 99% might have helped with, and turn it into a trash filled party dump, where of all the crimes that were reported within the walls of the various camps, the societal norms dictate that most people do not get caught the first time they comit a crime. In fact, the same act has been comited several to dozens of times prior, with the exception of murder.

General Assembly is the voice, which has always said that behavior is not condoned.

Any amount of people in a space trashes it. Community events have tons of people in parks and usually only for three days and the grass is very sad or non existent, and lot and lots of trash.

I disagree that the large part of Occupy to not conform to rational human society. People from all age groups, walks of life and political and economic background where there. Teachers, nurses, military. I disagree with the violence, both from the fringe of the movement and the police as well.

here some other youtube videos

look them up

Feb. 8, 2012 OUSD board meeting Occupy the Hood Mic Check

TRNN TOWN HALL: Does Baltimore Need $100 Million Youth Prison?

Chris Hedges Occupy the Courts NY Jan 20 2012 w/ Lawrence Lessig Occupy Wall St

BEST OCCUPY MOVIE, REVOLT, RESIST, The Elegant Symmetry of Hypocrisy, I am not moving..
Mic Check! Ohio Students Interrupt Gas Industry

[Orignal full version] 1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (By. J. handy)

I looked up one of those incidents and found the truth to be more like propaganda from rightwing websites. Sorry, some of what you list may be true but most is probably not. Seems funny that you would believe a stupid anonymous website and not the lame stream media.

here is another

@ 13:00 is my favorite part

Occupy Whatcom County Council | Occupy Bellingham

Tao....I can tell you that it wouldn't be out of the question that some people actually supported the second group, knowing that bad behavior would occur. They fully understand that once the mud starts flinging it will stick almost anywhere, including some well placed 'rumors' about OWS. So far, I can't tell if it's really working because once you get past all the faux 'patriotism' put on for public consumption around the work place and bar roos, I've found that people pretty much agree with the OWS stance. They just can't take a chance of of upsetting someone that has the power to make their life turn upside down so they just nod and shrug. Of course thre's always the butt kisser that hopes the boss doesn't stop too quickly load mouth parroting the 'bosses' view in the hope of moving up the ladder because he's 'worked' so hard and earned it, that isn't included in that.

And that's right where they intend on having us all wind up! Believe it!!

Prisons will be too expensive eventually - concentration/internment camps are much more practical. Once the middle class is so crippled and can't pay for the prisons then it's time for the camps. We already have the prototype in Phoenix - called Tent City.

Storm the Bastille !

Nah, we are close to out of patience with the handouters.

Better way to put a stop to it, than jail.

Nancy,

Sieg Heil!

I would have been thrown in jail once a week in 9th grade English class.

No, they just don't want your stupid demorat asses living and crapping in public places. No one said you could not assemble there.

Ras,

I think he was referring to this part of the story:

"The state's House of Representatives on Monday approved the Senate version of a bill -- the "Equal Access to Public Property Act of 2012" -- which prohibits unauthorized camping -- including sleeping and storing of personal belongings -- on public grounds, and the governor says he will sign it"

What part of the story were you referring to? No, I'm everything but a democrat. I am all for smaller government as well.

Raz, do you hate the WW1 vets also, who camped out on the Washington mall because Congress would not pay them their bonus?

Celt---------- sure handouter, elect another Obama, that will attempt to make business pay for your leech programs and your insurance and fund Obama's green fantasies, then sit back and watch business leave, you twit.

Why do you leeches have so much trouble with the concept, that businesses are formed for the sole purpose of making a profit?

And why is it so hard for you to understand that when the sole purpose is to make a profit that export the jobs to Mexico and China is the only answer to reducing costs?

The US is still the #1 manufacturer in the world.

Whats happening is called Financial Engineering. First you export the jobs, based on lies and misleading data. Then you create a huge trade deficit. Then you remove most of the liquid cash flow from the lower classes, and stockpile it in 1%er accounts. Trade zone treaties keep us locked into losing jobs, and increase the trade deficit. Then you criminalize anything that looks like civil liberty, and freedom of speech. It ends with hundreds of thousands of people starving to death so a few hundred can be multi billionaires.

Naturaly politicians will follow the money path, and obey thier wealthy masters, instead of helping the ever growing ranks of the poor. It is no accident that every industrialized nation in the world is suffering from debt and shortage of cashflow. Why do the 1% fail to use thier wealth to stimulate the economy? They are too busy forclosing on everyone else, and buying up everything for pennies on the dollar, while everyone else is left to the streets. The problem is called Globalization and Corporatocracy, and it is propagated through free trade zone treaties. The tool is called Financial engineering. It works slowly and quietly robbing the working class to death, and handing everything to the elitists. The so called free world, is taking a ride straight into h*ll. Anyone that says otherwise is either deaf dumb and blind, or a liar.

Agreed. Calculated elimination of the Middle Class. Don't forget though, the 1% also make the rules and run the government so it's pretty obvious who they work for, and it's not us.

China's manufacturing output in 2010 of $1.922 trillion and 18.89% share of
world manufacturing output of $10.176 trillion,was slightly ahead of America's
manufacturing output of $1.855 trillion and 18.24% share of global manufacturing
production.

I know you're probably in the middle of twisting some foil into a hat right now, but I had a question: where on earth did you get the idea that if someone makes more money than you do they are supposed to take care of you? I've noticed this hysterical outrage over that fact that there are poor people and this strange belief that there should never be one person poorer than another, and if there is, it is the producer's DUTY to address this.

Why?? I would be embarrassed if my richer neighbor came over to my door and handed me my mortgage payment, and I should be. It's called self-reliance. and the moment you convince someone that they deserve someone else's money then you have just decided they are too dumb, lazy, incompetent...pick one...to handle their own lives.

I happen to believe in people and their ability to change their lives. People can do extraordinary things, but not if you keep doing it for them.

And YES, there are people who need help and can't do it for themselves, but a whole lot of deadbeats are wearing the mantle of the victim instead of being expected to pull up their bootstraps and change their situation. It doesn't benefit any of us to ignore this reality. We have to at least ADMIT it's there instead of howling about all the innocents.

As far as "corporatocracy"...I'll let you get back to your tinfoil.

lightbulb......You absolutely don't want people getting all self empowered to create a better environment for themselves. It's a numbers game. And this ain't Syria or Tunisia. You have obviously not studied history. If you had, you would learned that the Feudal System didn't work. With a few minor twists we're headed right back towards it without some equitable distribution of the wealth. Simply being able to buy the lawmakers won't solve the problem long term. They can pass laws like this one all day long because they have the lawmakers in their pocket. However....once the scales tip and people realize that their plight is hopeless no matter what they do, all those laws mean exactly nothing. This is being played out all around the world. The government needs to start listening to its citizens, all of them, not just the ones with hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. We've really moved a great distance away from the very thing The Founders wanted to endear upon our country....a government that listened to its people. That's probably the greatest reason we're not bowing and curtsying to the crown today.....they just wouldn't listen to us.

Hey Nancy! Read Earl W's last sentence, sweety. He's talking about YOU!!!

Oh, and suck a dick.

ARCHANGEL assemble all you like, handouter, do not attempt to block my progress on my way through government owned property.

We have castle laws in this state, if you attempt to obstruct me, I will move you.

The law is the least of your worries.

Nancy,

Your castle law doesn't apply on government property, just your private property. If you assault someone on government property, you'll be the one going to jail.

I am a republican and I don't hate anyone. My daughter attends public school and I have a master's degree. I don't like unions but that doesn't mean I hate them. Perhaps, it is you who has the hate issues.

SFIlutze---------Actually we don't hate anyof you, you have to know some one to to hate them.

We do despise all of you lefty handouters with a depth and intensity, that is totally unquantifiable.

You handouters really think, we will put up with this for ever,, don't you?

Totally unquantifiable?

Does your keyboard have too many comma keys, by the way? They seem to appear all over the place, kind of like your posts.

What's a "handouter"?

A handouter is someone who puts out their hand to help someone else up. It's a metaphor for someone who does what Jesus would do. I'm a handouter because I committed the unquantifiably despicable act of giving most of this weeks disposable income to someone, so they could pay their rent. My punishment is having to stay home from the bar tonight and blog with Nancy.

Nancy, why do you hate the down and out when what the government gives all them is chicken feed compared to what the government gives to the rich in tax loopholes and has sucked the middle class dry of the wealth of our labor?

You can assemble, you just can't crap and destroy. Trying to explain anything to a demorat wanting a handout is like talking to stump.

Trying to talk to a die hard republican is just that, talking to a stump. How stupid can you be, RAS928? As much as I am not a democrat, I really find the die hard republicans to be among the stupidest people I have ever come across.

A. I want my freedom... B. You don't agree with me, so I don't want YOUR Freedom. .C. I want to make my conservative values the LAW! THAT AND GUN OWNERSHIP IS FREEDOM TO ME!!!! yEEhEE! Oh, and my favorite!!!! "Obama leave your hands off of MY MEDICARE! that is a true sign from a tea party event against "Socialized Medicine"!!!! Gotta love it!~

RAS, you seem to post what amounts to the same thing continually...try being a bit more creative. Speaking of creative, how about dropping the juvenile "demorat" garbage as well.

I have witnessed people at NASCAR events that have urinated in the open as well, so perhaps those races should be banned, since if one person does it all must be doing it in your book.

Amazing. Yeah, like talking to a stump.

It's all about perception, folks. Republicans are like WWF fans, they believe it's real. FOX news tells them everyone else is lying and to listen to the FOX truth. Very dangerous. The ultra-rich already own the system, it's intentional they have all of us peons fighting with each other while they live the life they choose in a country they control. The Tea Party (while mis-guided) and the OWS are a symptom of the 99% being squeezed out. They are the anti-bodies to a virus that has already taken over. I give them credit for trying, but money is a barrier that is insurmountable without extreme measures. Does this sound like the middle east? ..only our corporate dictators were hidden from sight in a complex global economy. When we finally make contact with other life in the universe...where will religion go? Aliens, please save us!!!!

It definitely does appear that homelessness is being criminalized, where in actuality they are not the criminals. Perhaps some research should be done as to why homelessness is becoming more and more rampant, and to perhaps criminalize the source or root cause of this homelessness. But that might put the protected segment of our society, the CEO's who drain and abandon companies to get rich in jeopardy and then the wealthy deviants of our society who absorb the rights of others and subliminize them for their own purposes.

I answered your question somewhere above - what's next ? concentration camps.

truthseeker: Concentration camps? Hyperbole much?

Have you anything else, Nancy? Maybe some worthwhile bit of wisdom? Maybe you have an important "Right" announcement for us?

Give up PJ Nancy is just a bitter old troll with no insight and only insults.

I guess they pay you the same for number of posts, regardless of value of the content or number of grammatical or spelling errors.

Oh, and Nancy...where can I get a copy of this manifesto you keep citing? As a practicing liberal, commie, socialist, fascist, Kenyan, etc., I feel slighted in not having one so I can quote sections when making posts.

Left,

I know, right? I'm feeling all panicky that there's a text out there that I don't know anything about! Maybe it has some answers in it. Nancy, post your copy!