
Richard Cebull
A federal judge acknowledged forwarding a racially charged email about President Barack Obama, saying he isn't a racist and apologizing while adding that he sent it "because it's anti-Obama."
"I apologize to anybody who is offended by it, and I can obviously understand why people would be offended," Richard Cebull, the chief U.S. district judge in Montana, said in comments reported by the Great Falls Tribune newspaper on Wednesday.
"The only reason I can explain it to you is I am not a fan of our president, but this goes beyond not being a fan," he said. "I didn't send it as racist, although that's what it is. I sent it out because it's anti-Obama."
In his email to six friends, Cebull writes: "Normally I don't send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. I want all of my friends to feel what I felt when I read this. Hope it touches your heart like it did mine."
The forwarded content states: "A little boy said to his mother; 'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't bark!'"
Cebull, who was nominated by former President George W. Bush, has served as the state's chief federal judge since 2008. He told the Great Falls Tribune that he doesn't consider himself prejudiced, and that is actions in the courtroom have shown that.
"I have never considered myself that way," Cebull said. "All I can emphasize is I've treated people in my courtroom all these years fairly. I don't think I've ever demonstrated racism. Nobody has ever even implied it."
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Are you kidding me! When can we get this idiot off the bench????? That isn't even just prejudice that is just sick!!!!
I was expecting something racist, but this is more that that, it's downright distasteful and offensive on so many levels. Fire him.
I agree EngEsp. Nothing racist but its totally disgusting and it "touched his heart". What does that say about a man who disagrees with the POTUS yet has to relegate his birth to something abhorrent. What type of person does this? And to top it off, he JUDGES others.
That touched him? That's the part that disturbed me...what a weird thing to be touched by. I wouldn't be touched by that no matter what person it was about. Ick. If that touches him I wouldn't want him judging me about anything.
So, I wonder if this could accurately be described as the work of an "Activist Judge" . . .
But he states ' I am not racist"......ha haha...I am sure he would like to show us his token black friends to prove it!. Yes, jokes are funny but not funny when you are a JUDGE who has sooooo much power over everyone elses life. He needs to be reprimanded.
If Richard Cebull lacks the judgment to know this is inappropriate for someone of his stature to be forwarding then he should not be in a position to pass judgment on others. Mr. Cebull should resign from his position and if he doesn't, then he should be removed through the impeachment process.
The e-mail may be offensive, but I do not see anything racist about it. The allusion to having sex with a dog is a little sick, but there is nothing racist in this allusion, particularly with the statement being made by a white woman. In any case, this judge showed very poor judgement in forwarding it and it is disturbing that he said the e-mail "touched him." He should probably just do the right thing and step down from the bench.
And you hear time and time again from some people on the right that opposition to the president is not about race. Yep, keep saying it and one day everyone will believe it. This is just disgusting and for a judge to send it out after receiving it, shows that he is a racist. He might not have a problem with dealing with minorities in his court room, but when they (minorities) are in power it's a different situation. This email was crude and degrading and is typical of what been spewed about our first minority president.
So, judges aren't allowed to enjoy dark humor? I've heard far more offensive things on Comedy Central's Friday Night stand-up. I've also seen far worse things about Bush. Get your panties unwadded- this is not that bad, and certainly shouldn't cost anyone their job.
How many bigots KNOW they are bigots? If you forward the kind of trash this judge forwarded - trust me, you are a bigot - this defines bigotry.
I really don't see what the big deal is, as long as it cannot be shown that he is making racist judgements. People have the right to dislike others based on any criteria they want, just as long as they don't participate in behavior that legitimately hurts another human being (no passing an email doesn't rise to the standard). As stupid as I may think it is to use race as a bar for judgement, the US is not a thought controlling dictatorship.
People will sieze on anything to justify a political grab.
Why is everyone so upset? It's not racist, but disgusting and unbecoming to a judge and I would HATE to have this guy hear any case of mine, but really -- they can't help it --- these people are just being what they are. Don't let it throw you --- "Remember in November" and as Jay-Z says, "just kick that dust off your shoulders."
This guys a pig. Guys like this is one reason there are so many dark skins in jails and prisons. Many are innocent. I can see the humor of the joke, but this guy is a judge. There are many more like him.
For anyone that is defending this, I dare you to send your co-workers, your boss and yours bosses' boss an E-Mail containing, "A little boy said to his mother; 'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't bark!'"
Let me know if you still have your job tomorrow.
And that would be as a private citizen. When you become a police officer, a prosecutor/district attorney, a judge, etc. you give up certain rights. When someone in a position of power shows a complete lack of judgment it calls into question what other things might have been inappropriately judged. It also casts a pall over his future judgments. People need to think about their actions as there are consequences in life.
I don't know what's scarier, the judge's lack of discretion or the ignorance of some posters here who can't see the bigotry of the email.
So, the message in this e-mail touches Judge Cebull's heart? What kind of heart does he have? Certainly not the kind that most decent human beings have. I can't imagine what these friends of his could be thinking if the inferrence that the President's mother slept with a dog is 'touching' too. Racism is allowed to fester when people who claim they are not racist pass along such trash because they think it's funny, or 'touching'. Obviously the person who sent it to the judge knows where his heart lies.
He is a Federal Judge and can only be removed by impeachment by Congress. Good luck with that.
So apparantly, gleefully sharing a "joke" about women as debased sex deviants is fine with him, as long as you don't actually refer to her race? The pathetic excuse for a human being can't even apologize like an adult "to anyone who was offended"....What human being with any decency wouldn't be offended? Voters? Get this poor excuse for a sentient human out of there..
Like most of these racist politicians from backwater redneck states, he probably just sealed the deal for his reelection there. Montanians are probably hooping, hollaring, and laughing at the joke and the hubbub.
Shouldnt this guy recuse himself from any further cases that ever involve anythign remotely racist? He may not think or consider himself racist, but if all of his cases consistently get appealed on his being the overseer, then there's a message there that he shouldnt be in office.
WMG -- Right.
But Comedy Central is there to make jokes -- and undoubtedly some of them are bad.
Judges are public figures chosen to insure fairness and justice in their communities. For a judge to demean the President in that way is not only bad taste, it borders on sedition.
Like an alcoholic or any addict, Denial is the first sign of repressed symptoms to follow.
I shared the joke w my office including my boss and everyone laughed. I think its quite funny myself and if its taking a shot at anyone its his mom... or dogs. HA! Im part of it now!! If its racist then its racist against white people not black because the person having sex w the dog is HELLOOOO WHITE !!! Funny how it gets turned into a race thing.
What the @!$%# happend to free speech in this country? Why are people not allowed to say what they want in the privacy of personal emails? Yea its in poor taste because the best jokes always are, sorry its just a fact. Punishing this man for forwarding a email is outrageous and shows just how far we have come. Leave him alone, its his opinion, hes a citizen of the free world so deal with it.
To say nothing about the mentality of the imbecile who thought up this vile "joke".
@Something Racist: Why am I not surprised that the picture you post is a gun?
He's a federal judge making judgements that change people lives. This was a bad judgement call. Period.
Get this guy off the bench! Judges, especially federal judges, are supposed to at least show a public face that is independant and nonpartisan.
Federal judges are NOT ELECTED. The way to get him off the bench is to either (a) force him to resign with a relentless PR attack--on him and the Court in general; or (b) vote in a Democratic Congress that will impeach him. It does not matter if you live in his area or not. Vote Dem wherever you are. It is the overall make-up of the Congress that matters.
something racist comments aren't surprising. His very first post on Newsvine was in regards to the New Haven, CT police being investigated for racism involving Latinos in their community. This was his comment, "Thank you for seeing through this to what it really is. The cops are always around that area because that's where the crime comes from."
So a racist defending a racist, who cares what you have to say? Two peas in a pod. If you really did E-Mail the joke to everyone in your office and not just to people of similar mind to yourself, then I hope somebody forwards it to human resources.
I wonder what this pathetc specimen of a human being (if he can even be called that) would experience visualizing his own mother having sex with a dog? If she's interested in producing a sibling for him, I do have a highly pedigreed Doberman that could get the job done.
Virtually any employer has Terms and Conditions of Service for office use of the Internet and corporate e-mail.
Virtually any employee who is given an e-mail account agrees to those terms and conditions, and you sign and date that you will follow them. In other words, you sign away your First Amendment rights when you misuse your account.
This kind of behavior is so far out of the normal, it would be a firing offense.
I believe something racist's "office co-workers" are three cows, two sheep, a pig and a goat.
Did you miss the part where it says this guy is a FEDERAL JUDGE? He has the responsibility to show discretion and fairness. He needs to be an adult and keep his racist, bigoted opinions to himself and OUT of his job. Something you should probably learn to do, too.
You stay classy, Obama-haters.
He should only recuse himself from cases involving drunk single moms, having bestiality parties. The joke was a crack at his mom, and I have heard far worse about Bush & Clinton.
this is a reply to ( something racist posting) what you failed to realize in your free speech rant, is that this is a federal judge. judgeing private citizens., and if it was that private, we wouldn't be talkin about it. this judge, and some of my best friends are black should be removed.
Does anyone wonder what is happening to this country after seeing what A judge seems to stand for ? He clamims to be not racist but it sure looks as though he is just that. The shame of it is this..this is , or at least was...the USA...home for the free....the civil war has been over for a long time..but judges such as this make it seem as thought it is still going on.
Look, this guy was a jerk, but you want to fire him for an email and yet you're totally OK with Obama arguably violating the Constitution and abrogating his Oath of Office and then you say Republicans should be worried about the big things instead of little ole moral issues. What the @!$%# ever.
Now, as always, collapse my post and prove me right.
P.S. Before you whiners get your panties in a bunch about my accusations I'll be specific. Obama's treatment of the Libya situation was arguably un-Constitutional and he abrogated his Oath of Office by selectively enforcing the laws of this country in at least two instances: the New Black Panther voter intimidation case and in his "enforcement" of our immigration laws. We are supposed to have a President, not a dictator, and he does not rule by decree.
I live in Mt. and I am NOT amused!!!
Are you kidding??
It was GREAT!!!!!
LMFAO totally!!!!
Looks like at least one of those six sent the email, isn't as close of a friend as the judge thought. Heck, if you ever visited the First Read blogs the liberal wack jobs their are far worst in their assessments of the right than this joke.
Several here have interpreted the part "you're lucky you don't bark!" as referring to having sex with a dog, but I see it as inferring that Obama is an animal. Typically racists would compare a black person to a monkey, in this case a dog.
If you want to know who is a racist, just watch their left index fingers while they say, "I'm not a racist."
It is not racist. It is insulting to a massive degree, but not racist.
Duallydave, sex with a dog is exactly what it sounds like is meant. It is inferring that he is not an animal, but lucky not to be considering all the things she had sex with at that party.
So, base humor, insulting, pathetic, but not racist at all.
He's from Montana........
State motto: At least our cows are sane.
For some of those who have posted similar posts, such as, "[t]he email may be offensive, but I do not see anything racist about it" -- perhaps, should reexamine their own racism when attempting to evaluate someone else's racist intent. The email was patently racist regardless of what the judge labels himself; and under no circumstances, should public officials conduct themselves in this fashion in order to simply show their displeasure with President Obama, or any other president. I am still trying to wrap my brain around this article.
This guy's computer needs to be searched. If women having sex with animals "touches" him, i'd say there's a pretty good chance that he's "touching" himself to the same stuff. There's a difference between having a dark sense of humor, and some creepy old judge gettin off, imagining that Obama was conceived through beastiality. Shows he was handpicked during the Bush administration.
It always amazes me how much the media clouds things.
Obama's policies have been centrist at best; further right than Clinton. "The left" is angry with him because of this... understandable.
Howeve, the right is casting him as the ultimate "evil" and attacking him for doing the opposite of what he's done... now why would that be?
Of course, I can't be certain, but it smells like racism to me.
Too bad, Obama-ites, the judge has the same first amendment rights that you all have when you spew your ugly, hateful crap about Santorum, Romney, religion, Palin, intelligent design, the global warming hoax, etc, etc, etc,.....
'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white?' His mother replied, 'Don't even go there Barack! From what I can remember about that party, you're lucky you don't bark!'"
Barack is black, well, half but whatever.
Barack's mom is white.
Those are both true, where's the racism?
If you LWNJ's want to get upset, go for the bestiality angle.
Why do our elders have such childest ways and why can't they you high ethical standards as grown ups.
I Don't get it.
After going through life for sooo... many years and even going through the civil rights era where he has actually seen prejudice in its worse mode.
HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE NOW A ROLE MODEL AND A RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUAL AND WHY AREN'T YOU ACTING AS SUCH.
Why doe s even Rick Santorum and Perry focus on Religion soooo.... much when they know that it is a divisive subject????
I don't get it, especially when we are trying to teach our kids the right morals and want them to be understanding of others beliefs.
I think a number of individuals that we consider our elders have missed the boat in regards to treating other individuals with respect.
OMG. I am so very tired of the madness. Where in the world are the members of the NAACP. They should be screaming bloody murder. I am against any deliberate bad mouthing of any sitting president. This is getting very disgusting. Free speech does not give anyone the right to insult publicly anyone else. Since this president is a black man, this affects the black woman that I am. You exspect for polititions to point out the negatives that they can use to beat the president in 2012, but these people are going too far. This is not the first time I have read racial slurs thrown at this man and his family, but I am hoping that someone can find a way to put a stop to the racism that is overabundant in this last three years. I know the president has to act like it does not bother him and his family, but I am so sure that it does. Those children will remember what has been said about their dad and mom. Please think about them when you make your crude and cruel remarks in the written or spoken media. Mrs. Oboma may try to keep them safe from these words but children are masters at finding out what their parents try so hard to keep from them.
Something racist...I shared it too. Everyone laughed. Maybe distasteful but not racist. People need to stop being so sensitive. Its a joke, I have heard blonde jokes that are much more distasteful, get over it!!
He showed extremely poor judgment - which raises the question of his suitability to pass judgment in other matters.
But what gets me is this, from his email: "Normally I don't send or forward a lot of these..." Which means he not only has poor judgment, he doesn't have the courage or integrity to take responsibility for it.
Oh, and I didn't vote for Obama myself, but seeing such douchebaggery on the part of someone who claims exactly the opposite (that his actions in the courtroom prove how his judgment and integrity are beyond reproach) just sickens me.
Baracks mom has been on the street so long, she has potholes! Hows that one? Grow up you tighta$$es, its a joke. His friend who ratted him out obviousely isn't a friend and wants this reaction so he can have his job. Or she! sorry!
Where is the racism? I wonder if there were ever any distasteful jokes circulated about Clarence Thomas by the left?
Couple of things:
If any of you have read the initial article (sourced above), you will note that it does not say that the judge wrote that this touched his heart, but that the forwarded email itself (from the original sender) contained the line that it touched the heart of whomever was the original sender.
Furthermore, it also mentions that it was forwarded a few more times from people (personal friends) to whom the judge sent it before it eventually ended up forwarded to someone at the newspaper, great falls tribune. Either the writer at the paper or the person who forwarded it to the paper went back through the names on the multiple forwards and decided to slam this judge publicly.... which is sort of wrong. I mean, consider how many crass jokes you have forwarded in your lifetime, and if some writer at a paper decided his or her politics and yours weren't in line, so he just published that you forwarded this joke to your friends. I bet if the newsmen were to go through all of the forwards of crass jokes everywhere (how many "seditious" emails were forwarded about Bush, Clinton, the other Bush), they would find that everyone is fairly human.
Anyway, before we go stringing up any judge based on a forwarded email, we'd best write the law that enforces: the emails of all government officials from all branches shall be public record and equally punishable for whatever offense might be taken by it, whether that offense is intentional or not, no matter who's in office at the time, so that everything is (dare I say it) FAIR (as our darling PotUS would have it). Thing is, that seems like a fairly dangerous way to go about running a nation, in my opinion.
I'm not defending the joke, which is rude and degrading to our president and his family, and should never have been written, as far as I'm concerned, however I don't think it's actually racist. Unlike those who believe it is comparing minorities to animals or interracial relations to bestiality, rather I think it speaks specifically to the level of respect certain people have for the president's mother and her judgment, or lack thereof. I'm not one of them, because I don't know enough about her to judge her. I will say that I am conservative and firmly believe that people should be responsible in their sexual activity, yet I don't see anything wrong with interracial relationships, so while I would never forward this email, that does not necessarily mean that I wouldn't agree at least in principle and privately that our morals and more importantly our ethics as a nation have degraded to the point where some people, especially those who don't even know who the "baby daddy" is, are probably lucky they know the "baby daddy" is human (I actually knew a white girl in school who claimed to have done it with a horse, but she also claimed to be a lesbian, so...). Does that make me a bad person, believing we are amoral and unethical? Nope. Judgmental, sure, but not bad. I think we're flawed, and we need to get back to trying to live right instead of just living in the now.
Anyone who disagrees with me on that is simply not a grownup and is part of the problem.
It's getting to the point that even racists don't realize they are racists!! As for "Free Speech," it doesn't give you the right to make racist comments about people, and it certainly isn't appropriate for a Federal judge who should KNOW the law!! It's already been proven in court that people who say things on the internet that cause someone to commit suicide is not considered "Free Speech," it's bullying!! Big difference, but still a matter of conscience.
What do you expect from a typical Republican who hates the fact some Uppity Black Guy got elected president. I mean you can go to ANY Republican gathering, especially Tea Party, and just feel and HEAR the oozing, bigoted hatred of a black man in the Oval Office.
So a Republican Judge thinking this was OK just doesn't surprise me. It also doesn't surprise me to see the Republican Apologists on here saying people are racist for calling the Judge racist like Chris did.
Plus this judge gave the TYPICAL Republican "Non Apology Apology".
No matter how distasteful we find the speech of any American, we must continue to protect their rights to it. I personally find the joke mean and nasty, and I would never like to find myself in this judge's courtroom. But, I will fight and defend his right to free speech. We as Americans do not have the right to censor those whose speech is offensive to our ears. The right to free speech is one of the cornerstone to liberty in this great country and to deny this judge will only lead to the erosion of our society. Based on his position as a federal judge he should have kept the joke to himself, but as I still support his right to say, share, or express it publicly.
Spider good point!!!! Very funny that email but disrepctfull of dogs everywhere!
That email is absolutely DISGUSTING. The repubs are always complaining about so called "activist judges" on the liberal side, meanwhile they are appointing TRASH like this guy in Montana.
It's sad that the level of what you and your friends appreciate as humor is so low.
That would be disrespectfull to dogs everywhere!!!!!!
He didn't have to say that ....
All he had to email was , Obama .... "LOL"
Well the judge definitely has a issues with our president.But for him to say this isn't racist is insulting.It is ashame that our president is insulted by the people he was elected to protect.some of these so called educated tea party republicans and alot of people in general think that we are stupid.Racism is alive and growing behind closed doors.They try to pretend their reasons for insulting and persecuting Obama is because of every reason under the sun except that he is black.But if that email was about the judge,s mother and himself he would have felt a lot differently.He should be impeached for showing extremely poor judgement,which should be unacceptable from a federal judge period.but there is no hiding the fact of how he sees and how he feels about black men and white women who are with black men.It isn,t surprising bush nominated this idiot.
This only made me laugh because it "touched his heart."
Who does he think he is? The Grinch?
@independent - go spread your hate somewhere else. I really doubt you're an atheist too, I've got several atheist friends and none of them have ever said anything as disgusting as what you just did.
That is funny as hell, you other people got to get a life if it was something bad about mitt you would think they are just belly aching.
This is just a joke thet he sent to his friends not to you or yo momma, get a life you DEMON's(Demorats)
"Normally I don't send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. I want all of my friends to feel what I felt when I read this. Hope it touches your heart like it did mine."
After reading that, I expected an actual heartfelt story that just happened to also be mildly racist, something that wasn't really overt, but just that could be interpreted as racist. I was shocked reading the rest of his email. Sleeping with a black man, sleeping with a dog, could have been either one?? feel what i felt, hope it touches your heart. WTF!
For being a judge, this man certainly displayed poor judgment.
Richard Cebull did you know that your mother picked a 10" tur* from the toilet, used it as a dildo and got pregnant and you were the result?
email this to 20 friends or bad things will happen to you. But if you do, don't end up in Cebull's court room! This is not hateful but just creative writing and I thought you would like it.
Lu-1328381:
I disagree with you and I am a grownup. I love how people think they can put a statement like that at the end of their statements to validate themselves and also intimidate anyone who reads it. Very "grownup" of you.
This email was absolutely racist! If you can't see that I shall explain to you why I say that. The inuendo is that the black person is equivalent to a nonhuman (dog in this case). The exact definition of racism from the dictionary: "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."
It saddens me that I have to explain in this great detail to people. How can you read that and not get a punched in the stomach feeling?
The other problem I have is that Obama's mother was in a relationship with this Obama's father. It was not some drunken night of partying as the joke insinuates. A double dirty on the part of the joke writer.
The last problem I will talk about is that this man is a federal judge. He makes rulings on other's behavior! How can this man make a ruling on the behavior of someone who would think the same way he does. He validated this mindset by forwarding th email thereby saying that he agrees with the message despite what he SAYS (actions speak louder than words). The man should lose his job. The people at the paper were just doing their jobs, rooting out the story (in this case it was a much needed ousting of this "judge's" personal bias against those of a different race.
OK here is something racist
Matt Kenseth won the Daytona 500 RACE.
Does that make Matt a Racist
I can not BELIEVE the reactionary, IGNORANT, unfounded Hatred over this issue. You people are so worried about the society you WANT to see that you dont see the society you are REALLY in.
You can turn on any prime time show, and eventually you will see men of ALL ethnicity calling each other a "Dog". Woff Woff. it in no way alludes to sex with a dog, it refers to the "LabeL' of the man.
"you dog you", "You calling me a dog?", and on it goes.
When you all learn to read, and connect things with everyday live and NOT the utopia you want , then maybe you can post something intelligent.
Mozzie - You like my ar? Its a short barrel 6.8mm. I think its awesome as well, thanks!
Greg in NY - My first comment!? I'm flattered really I am. My comment on the subject you bring up still stands, if cops hope to be effective they have to go where the crime is... seems like common knowledge to me and every single major law enforcement entity in the freaking world!!
Eric in Oregon - Brilliant contribution to the article, funny how me talking about the subject gets their comment collapsed but you making a personal attack based on nothing gets to stay open.
Preceded by none - The joke is about a white woman superficially and a political joke under the surface. Sorry but its not racist
On the mark - Judges should be allowed opinions as they live in the U.S. just like you idiots.
My comment stands (figuratively lol) and if anyone is racist its the people who make things clearly not racist, racist. We live in a free country and my RANT about free speech is rooted deeper into this country than you people care to admit.
This is what happens when the Community Organizer in Chief divides instead of unites the country. His "us against them" rhetoric has its consequences and this is an example of that. Obama has purposely fostered hate for purely political purposes. It's undignified for a president to act in such a way.
Obama is not alone, either. Just listen to Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters. She has no problem attacking the other party by telling them "to go straight to Hell", that they should "walk the plank"....isn't that like saying "time for a lynching"? And referring to people as "Satan" is okay with her. There's her ethics violations to consider as well.
How about she resign?
The only crime was the education system failing you. Your assertion is profiling which is illegal and why the police of New Haven, CT are being investigated. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
"It touched my hart".
Must have reminded him of his mother.
hmm so if this email is racist than so is everything in life!!! so calling bush a monkey and a chimp ( 8 years of name calling on bush, cant say a single thing about obama) is not racist but calling obama that is? you do know obama is not black by any measure, hes mostly arabic and anglo but very lil kenyan, only his skin tone makes him appear black (wish we didnt need color to point people out). you wouldnt call a brazilian black now would you? ( even if alot decended from sub-saharan africans, you still call them brazilian, not african-brazilian)
this was an personal email between friends and nothing racist about it at all, it was a dirty joke about obamas mom, not him. racism will stop when people stop using that term as an excuse to blame people for their own shorts. i have a right not to like whoever for whatever reason as long as my rights dont stop your rights, we are all separate but equal.
@Mozzie: what does a gun have to do with someone's post?
In his position, he should have known better than to send an email out like that because he is in a position of authority. And for the poster that said that that judge has sentenced many innocent black men to prison...go ahead and ask those that are in prison if they are innocent.....tell us how many admit to doing what they were charged with.
Its funny on how some here scream shame, hatred and like to throw terms like racist around because they are so alone in this world that they feel that this forum is their only place to have a voice that others will listen to....wake up and smell the coffee.....no one listens to you here either. the rambling is getting old and with some of the posts here it shows how much this society has turned into a country of whiners and attention seekers and those that HAVE to have a platform for others to pay attention to them.
Well, go ahead and give yourself a hug because some of you have captured some attention here but sadly the attention you got was not the attention you were looking for so....go ahead and take your ball and go home because others are sick of your "I am right and everyone that does not agree with me is WRONG". You seem to be the virus, I would look into that if I was you.....
Thank you MGates. I also find it disturbing that so many people have blinders on and want to claim this is not racist. Or maybe they just have poor reading comprehension skills. But your analysis is dead-on as to why this "joke" is both racist and incredibly offensive. It is offensive to women. It is offensive to people of color. It is offensive to bi-racial children. The list goes on. That you had to dissect it for certain individuals is very sad indeed.
As far as Lu goes, I will note in his "defense" that he does acknowledge this interpretation of the "joke" -- he just chooses to believe it is groundless. Unfortunately, he is incorrect. That is the thing about jokes like this. He chooses to interpret it as an insult to the president's mother and nothing more -- but there are several layers of interpretation and a whole list of how it is offensive (as I noted), so him saying the racist interpretation isn't real because it is really only meant to be offensive to women is nonesense. There is more than enough offensive to go around. He is also incorrect in his claim that the article does not state that the judge was touched by the email. In fact, it explicitly states (and I quote): Cebull writes: "Normally I don't send or forward a lot of these, but even by my standards, it was a bit touching. Clearly, Lu's reading comprehension skills fall into the questionable category. Either that, or he is so desperate to absolve this conservative judge of any wrong doing (because he is himself, as he noted, a fellow conservative) that he is willing, either knowingly or unknowingly, to bend the truth completely out of shape to come to the conclusion he wants. If it is the former, that is a shame. If it is the latter, I almost feel sorry for him.
Something Racist;
Be carefull, you might shoot yourself in the foot with that 6.8..................oh, you already have.
For those who don't understand or can't see why the "joke" was racist, you may want to revisit American history. Until 1967, (Loving v. Virginia) it was illegal in the US for African Americans and Caucasian Americans to marry each other.
Although we are desensitized to the term "mongrel" because we use the word to describe anything mixed now, however at one time this wasn't so. In the past mixed children were called "mongrels" in a very derogatory sense. (Black codes and Jim Crow laws). The barking part of the joke alludes to a mongrel dog like a so-called mongrel child, that's why the beginning of the joke starts with the question, Mommy why are you white and I'm black? The joke revisits the very heart of the racist mindset that the mixed offspring of such a union results in an inferior human being.
When one sees the joke knowing this mindset it's impossible not to see the racism. What's difficult for me to understand is why was this "touching" to the judge?
If you think this judge has bad taste try looking at the 9th circuit!
Federal judges are appointed for life and can only be removed by impeachment; this will not rise to that level as distasteful as his remarks may be. Precious few federal judges have been impeached - virtually all after being convicted of crimes.
But, the standard for recusal is only an ". . . appearance of bias . . . " - a very low standard. He won't won't be judging any more cases where blacks are defendants or parties to a lawsuit.
Give me a break, both Dems and Repubs send out hateful, distasteful, racist, bigoted emails about the opposing parties leaders. It happens everyday and I would be willing to bet that most of the people slamming this guy have forwarded crap like that, except about G.W. Bush or Boehner or insert "Repub here", to their buddies as well. This is no big deal just the state of partisan politics in our fragmented nation.
If this judge needs to apologize to anyone, he should apologize to the dogs....
Mtg303,
Why would mongrel offend anyone in America? Very few of us have "pure" bloodlines. I am half black and a wild mix of other things. Mongrel doesn't offend me at all. Yep, I am a regualar American mutt and very proud of my mixed heritage.
You need to shead that big "chip" on your shoulder. It isn't attractive. Get out of the history books and into modern America. The only people that are racist in this country are the ones who walk around offended.
Chuck W said: "It touched his heart." Must have reminded him of his mother
Or his father? LOL Am I right or am I right? ;D
'Mtg303For those who don't understand or can't see why the "joke" was racist, you may want to revisit American history. Until 1967, (Loving v. Virginia) it was illegal in the US for African Americans and Caucasian Americans to marry each other'
do you know who made it illegal for interracial marriages? it wasnt the people, it was politicians and the courts. do you know who made jim crow and segregation laws? it wasnt the people it was the politicians and courts, all for power. generally the average citizen didnt think much beyond their own surroundings and left most everything up to the politicians and courts to decide without question. there was not rampant racism or anything of that nature, most of it was localized to certain areas and to certain groups who used it to gain power.
mongrel is not an original term nor a used one for mixed race babies (black+insert color), it goes back way father than that but does generally describe a unworthy person or dog (race absent). the word you want is mulatto for mixed race babies (black+white) and that is not a racist term, its appropriate for any person mixed with different races.
this was a insulting joke but a joke none-the-less. to say it was racist is ignorant to what being racist means. when we stop finding excuses to be angry we will stop being angry.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... If this person does not want to be considered a racist, he should not act like one.
Hmmmm................. referring to a black man as a dog... a mongrel no less. Naa, no racism there.
Idiocracy running around, disguising, masking and camouflaging itself as something fully justifiable. The trick of liars and racists throughout the ages....... (like how the Dutch church tried to justify Apartheid along religious lines, and like we did with the "separate but equal" crap..)
FAA QUE for trying to justify this as Obama hatred instead of the racist joke that it is. I feel sorry for your children, as you undoubtedly will tell them this "spin" is OK as long as there is one, tiny little thread of something that can be construed as something else.
I find the joke amusing. It's a joke and I enjoy comedy. There have always been jokes poking fun at the president, clear back to President George Washington. This particular joke is crude and can be considered wrong in many ways. I can see how people can take it a couple different ways, mainly because President Obama is the first president of african descent. After all, most jokes poke fun at someone or something to begin with whichmay be considered hurtful. What I find distrubing is that this judge was not acting professional in the least. By sending out this email, no matter how many people he sent it to nor to whom, he was not very professional. Being appointed to the position by a previous president of a different political party of the current sitting president does not make it okay because he does not agree with his politics. He wanted that position, then he needs to respect the position and all the duties that come with it. How can he set to judge someone when he himself cannot be of open mind? Does he think that he is above everyone else? Did he not expect to be judged by others for his actions? The least he could do is send a written apology to President Obama. If not, then I feel that he should resign from his high position.
I did not agree with everything President W Bush did, well, actually a lot of what he did but I still showed him the respect of the position of being the President of the United States. I believe that more people need to think this way, regardless of party. Point is, President Obama was elected by a majority of the population, whether you like it or not, show pride in our country and respect the position. I am so sick of hearing this country divided over politics. To all the farlefters and righters, you do not decide what direction this country heads, its the ones in the middle that do because we share more in common with each other. If more of usshowed a little more compassion and compromise, our great country would be way better off.
MY opposition to this president is not about race I could care less what color he is, but running this country into the ground is not what I want in any color president.
When there is no money left QUIT writing checks, I do NOT want my grandkids and great grandkids saddled with the debt this president is forcing on them.
Right now every person living in america man,woman & child owes the government 50,000.00 Dollars just to get the debt down by Jan 2013 when Obama will be replaced(hopefully) every person will owe 80,000.00 Dollars. I do not want to have my grandkids born into this kind of debt. So will all you Democrats please send in your check today so we can get this debt under control.
If Obama did not keep giving these unemployment extentions then the people that make more on unemployment than they would at another job, that they refuse to work at because of the lower pay they would be taking those jobs so they could put food on the table instead of just taking the bribe for there vote.
Why do you people think the Democrats want to give out all this free stuff, they are trying to buy your vote
Simple question if the Republicans need the wealthy vote to win the election then why would they want to keep the poor down.
Since the Democrats need the poor vote that looks like a good reason to keep them down.
Think about it
LOL...If the behavior on these comment pages were not so unconscionable, it would classify as amusing: All toddler-brained, bitter, soul-less bigots on this comment thread -Meaning...those who have actually taken the time to attempt an 'enlightenment of us all' on what this invertabrate, slimey public servant is NOT guilty of in terms of the inarguably, clearly racist, beyond-crude email he CHOSE to forward to all his equally slimey, no brains-havin', redneck buddies- You're the very definition that frames our American culture's stunted social, ecomonic and spiritual growth...GROW UP!
What a filthy piece of garbage. They should not only run him off the bench - he should be run out of town. I hope he doesn't have children to pass his stupid hatred to.
Swagganaut - if you don't understand this is a racist joke you're as racist and the judge. It is disgusting, racist and beyond anything any normal person would find funny. Just for the record - I'm white but I would be running this cheap filth of a judge out of town.
To those of you who are so ignorant or unbelievably racist themselves and don't understand how this joke is racist, I'll break it down for you.
By saying "you're lucky you don't bark", she is implying that having sex with a black man was a bad thing, so bad in fact that it was akin to having sex with a dog, though that is a small step down according to the joke.
This kind of @!$%# is deplorable! I hope to hell that this judge loses his job. And ABSOLUTELY he deserves to.
The "joke" "touched his heart". What he wrote as a prefix to the joke made it even worse. It shows that he has absolute bias against black people. He is a JUDGE and that is not even close to acceptable!
Personally, regardless of the consequences, if he told this joke in front of me, he'd probably get his ass beat down!
Those of you wondering, I am a very white male. However, the woman I love to the ends of the earth is black.
I would NEVER judge someone solely on their skin color. Just as I wouldn't judge them based on their hair color, or eye color, or height, or width.
This man is SICK!
Who the hell would find a story about race that veers off into bestiality "touching???"
Judges are responsible for making clearly thought and rational opinions...if his response was to say he was touched by this story, we're only left to believe he's either completely off his rocker, or incapable of well thought decisions.
He should be removed from the bench immediately. Not so much for his obviously racist positions, but rather his lack of consideration or sanity in his explanation in to why he delighted so much about this email!
Only an ego such as yours would find some benefit in use of a weapon that benefits mankind in no way whatsoever.
Dear Saddened,
It will undoubtedly sadden you when I point out that I was specifically noting the fallacy of this article, which implicates the judge as the author, as compared to the original article from the Great Falls Tribune (which is clearly sourced in the above article and available for anyone, including you, to read) with regards to whether or not the statement about "touching the heart" was from the judge or from the original sender of the email.
From the original sourced article at Great Falls Tribune:
You see there, specifically the original article states "the forwarded text reads as follows", which means that this was part of the forwarded message, not something the judge added.
Sorry that I had to prove to you it is not MY reading comprehension that is questionable.
You have every right to your opinion, as I have every right to mine, about whether or not the email is in fact racist.
Love,
Lu
(a girl, by the way)
As asked in my post, I want to thank you for proving me right. Now, I've spent an hour or so of my time reading back over the history of some of the more adamant people here and I noticed one burning similarity. Not one of you in the hundreds of posts I've read have ever taken a stand on racism committed against white people. It's perfectly fine to you that white people are called whatever racist names people want. Therefore I can only draw one conclusion. Each of you are no better than the judge because the only difference in your racism is polarity. Hell, some of you even believe it's not racism if the victim is white, according to your own posts, which, again, proves that you are AT LEAST as racist as the judge.
What the??? Who the @!$%# does this guy think he is??? This is just ignorant; pure ignorant. I admit, the joke can be funny (don't criticize me; I'm not racist, I don't even hate Obama); but come on, man!!! Use your head!!! You don't forward it and expect that no one will kick your ass for it. And how in God's name did it touch your heart??? How??? There is NOTHING special about it!!! This isn't the 1930s. People are more respectful and tolerant now. This guy is messed up. He ought to resign; if Anthony Wiener resigned for lewd pictures, this guy ought to resign for this disgraceful message. This guy's heart must be in the wrong place, because there is NOTHING touching about this BS. And do you know how offensive it is??? It's not like it says that Obama is disgracing the Constitution; this is PERSONAL. It's like a kick in the groin. And this disrespects not only Obama and his family, but his mother. Last time I checked, people were free to criticize a person, but attacking the family is off-limits. Richard Cebull, you are damn disgrace. A DAMN PUTRID WASTE OF A JUDGE. You ought to crawly back into the cold cave from which you originated. Would you like me to criticize your family; maybe your brother or your sister or your parents???? Huh?? Would ya???? I thought so, you ignorant five year old.
And for all those defending the judge, THIS IS DISGRACEFUL. This guy is twisted; how the hell can you defend this??? Comedy Central is different; none of them are politicians as far as I'm concerned, and they don't feed off of division in our nation. This guy was chosen to judge over his fellow man; now he ought to be judged by his peers. This guy is a disgrace. Richard Cebull, you idiot, prepare to be judged by your fellow man...
Greg in NY - I'm sorry your offended (I get the impression your offend a lot am i right ?) by the facts. By your logic we should have the same police presence in a 55+ community as a low income community? How about the same amount in a preschool as a high school? You brought up my education because the facts are not enough to stand on, I know the crime rates in my area, I know the statistical differences between the population inside the fence and the one outside. I know using probability who is more likely to commit a crime and who is more likely to be the victim. I know all this because i live in it every day. You say its illegal? Well guess what so is smoking crack but that goes on, the difference is profiling saves lives and prevents crime. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't work and no law will stop police from taking a second look.
Chuck W - I have never had a negligent discharge in all my years of handling hot weapons. I will give you some gun safety tips. Never point it at anything you don't want to shoot. Never put your finger on the trigger until your ready to fire. Every weapon is a hot weapon. Follow these few simple tips and you too will never shoot yourself in the foot with your opinions.
Mozzie - My ego? really? If we didn't have guns you would be speaking German right now so i don't want to hear it. Every animal on the earth is violent. Even elephants stab each other over sex and your telling me I don't need protection? People are violent, you can be a sheep if you want but at least be thankful someone has a backbone to protect your soft fluffy ass.
Well I thought it was funny, a little distasteful but never the less funny. I can guarantee you if it was about anyone else but Mr. Obama most would have found it to be funny. The women, I could understand. The rest are nothing but racist and they know it.
People the only thing that keeps racism alive, well is the racist. You know who you are so just come out of that closet you're hiding in. Oh I can't get mines up in here because these white Beaoches are racist. Yep hear it all the time and it's quite frankly lost its momentum. See it all the time on these post about others, never about themselves. As bad as it is looking though, I'm thinking the anointed one will keep the office.
Don't tell me he doesn't act like he is either, excuses himself from his duties all around just like the rag-heads before him. None of them are any good for this country, I ask myself all the time, am I better off than 4yrs. ago? No is all I can come up with. Has he helped the rich? Yes. So this is an indicator to me where Mr. Obama stands for our country.
Relieve us of the federal tie down and Vote RON PAUL. Make every man earn his meals.
Still can't comprehend why "mongrel" references are offensive?
DICTIONARY
mongrel
Definition
mon·grel
[ móng grÉ™l
]
NOUN
mon·grels
plural
1.
dog of mixed breed: a dog that is a mixture of different breeds
2.
animal or plant of mixed
breed: an
animal or plant that is a mixture of different breeds or strains
3.
offensive term: an offensive term for somebody who is of
mixed racial ancestry
4.
strange mixture: a combination or mixture of different people
or things, especially one that seems particularly strange
ADJECTIVE
1.
mixed in origin or character: of mixed breed, descent, type, or character
( offensive in some contexts )
[ 15th century. Probably
< Germanic, "to mix" ]
Get new friends.
At least ONE of his friends had the good sense to understand that this judge does not deserve to serve the public. He should be condemned by the Senate and impeached.
I see. According to you, we are no longer allowed to make fun of the president, because he's mixed race? You people made fun of Bush enough when he was in office, but now, no one can take shots at your boy, huh? I plan to remember people with your attitude when I go into the voting booth in November.
Ralph: There's a BIG difference in "making fun" of the sitting president, but when it's racial in nature, it isn't "making fun" any longer!! And, the fact that he's a Federal judge, he should have known better than to have forwarded this to anyone!! It was totally out of line!
This so called man is a judge, he should never be allowed to sit on a case involving a black person or a female............he is not only racist he is a mysoginist......any lawyer worth his salt is printing this out just in case.
It's no wonder that people lack respect or trust in such leaders of prejudice and poor judgement.
Ummmm, just how old are you, Ralph, because you sound like a kid thinking it's okay to act a certain way because someone else did. The mentality of people in general is appalling to say the least, saying they are 'desensitized' about what goes on in the world regarding anything they want nothing to do with, but still have to comment about it. Vote your CONSCIENCE, Ralph, that is if you have one.
what you talking bout fantom? the left uses that excuse all the time. they constantly do the same things they say they despise the right for doing, the exact same things and even worse. the double standards on all sides is disgusting and immature but the sheep who get pandered by smooth talkers fall right in-line and vote based on everything but the right reason, qualifications!!!!!!!!
Give me a break, both Dems and Repubs send out hateful, distasteful, racist, bigoted emails about the opposing parties leaders. It happens everyday and I would be willing to bet that most of the people slamming this guy have forwarded crap like that, except about G.W. Bush or Boehner or insert "Repub here", to their buddies as well. This is no big deal just the state of partisan politics in our fragmented nation.
Didi - exactly. That's why it's called a "hate crime." Making fun or teasing is different from bullying, and both are a far cry from a hate crime.
I didnt take the joke as racial. I took it as an insult to Obama's mothers sleeping around. Who cares if it was? Why should judges not have the same freedoms as the rest of us.
Did whites get offended when blacks called Bush names?
I'm pretty sure President Obama knows he's half black and his mother is white, this wont come as a shock to him.
Missing the point:
None of us insulted Babs, and she's still alive. We like and respect her. So you're suggested that two wrongs make a right? Nope, that's still incorrect.
Accusing a dead woman of bestiality (sex with animals) is not in the least humorous. Bestiality is illegal as well.
Where the judge went wrong was in forwarding the 'joke.' He was free to enjoy it all he liked, but when he sent it on he screwed up royally. There was nothing sentimental or sweet in it whatsoever, just hatred and meanness toward a dead woman.
The judge's reaction is very disturbing, as a matter of fact. Creepy to the nth degree.
Swagganaut, I rest my case just by YOUR response to me. I didn't call out any Party, I said PEOPLE in general. And don't post about qualifications, because it is obviously the only ones you and the Judge have in common are to be vitriolic, callous and deficient in common sense.
@ConcernedByStupidity, you represent your screen name nicely. Apparently all your "concern" has led to resembling the very thing you are concerned about.
I would educate you, but it's hard to fix stup!d. But some advice - ignorant, and less than is no way to live life. Enjoy preaching your gutter philosophy to others who lack any critical thinking ability. Like attracts like - your social group must be dumber than a bag of rocks.
As a Veteran and the son of a veteran and the grandson of a twice decorated purple heart recipient of WWII, it saddens me that our service was to protect the freedom of some arrogant, ignorant @!$%#s so they could disrespect the highest office in the land and our duly elected President. Unfortunately our constitution does not allow us to extinguish these radicals that are more interested in preserving partisanship than being a true American and Patriot. That is the ultimate act of being a coward, an idiot and an enemy of the nation. When your radical beliefs become more important than the majority of the nation, you have no right residing here, as far as I am concerned. Selfishness is as bad from the radical right-wing as it is from the bleeding heart liberalism that wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. The moderate, negotiated center is what has always made policy and has lifted America above the chaffe and scum of the radical right and left. God have mercy on both of them.
This Judge forwarded a racist statement; not because he's racist but because he's anti-Obama??? So then we the American people are supposed to be ignorant and naive enough to believe him and say: "Oh it's this statement is appropriate and okay, because the Judge stated the statement has nothing to do with racism it had to do with him being anti-Obama". Therefore, we must believe him and take him at his word because; why? Oh yea, because he's a Judge. Well this Judge needs to sell that BS to someone who's buying what he's selling and I am not a customer for excuses, keep it moving you racist pig!!!! If a defendant walked into a courtroom with this same BS it would not fly; honesty is the best policy the rules and laws apply to all of us, you must need a vacation and a reevaluation of who you are and what you do.
JackNickelson as Mental paitient, suffering from Aspergers - sez:
Federal Judge... about the President of the USA's Mother sez:
Most American's who understand why we vote, what it means and where to draw the line on so called "free expression", from the desk of a Sitting Federal Judge posting from his Office computer, have to wonder if the character the actor was playing was half as crazy as the Judge.
Does the separation of the three branches of our Government: Executive, Judicial and Legislative... require respect of the powers the people have granted each to fundamentally require the appearance of harmony - even when personal issues may be inflamed by current questions of what does this nation stand for and how do we express our lingering prejudical doubts even after documented truths havebeen presented over and over and over? How can his mind be clearenough to remain a judge, whenhe can't even separate his duty from his political view?
I think it does ... this "judge" needs to be evaluated for mental suitability in the office he holds... possibly even more -he should be evaluated for mental stability...!
This is supposed to be a mature adult, a judge - some one who measures his words, thoughts for not only their current impact - but their implication under detailed review with our Nations laws as the standard for comparison.
A 10 year old would know better!
so, you don't consider yourself racist? neither does any other racist i've ever known. judge not, lest ye not be a judge for long!
I would say this judge was lacking judgement. For that alone he should be impeached.
I assume that he is no longer in office? This would be inappropriate in any job, much less that of a judge. Anyone of us would get canned for this.
lol. you act like a judge has a boss that can just fire him. get thee back to civics class, madame.
Wow, this is as low as you can get folks; racist or not!
Even an old cowboy like me knows a low blow when I see one. This was right'n the kisser and one right below the belt...
Even completely retarded trailer park KKK racist hill Billys down here in my neck of the woods...could never go there...He crossed the red line....
Docholiday- you must not have been old enough to hear the jokes about bush and clinton.
he may not bark...but michele def. does...
what a woof!!!!
he may not bark...but michele def. does...
what a woof!!!!
Steve, this is way beyond anything that was said about Bush or Clinton, especially passed on by someone in an important position. This same "joke" was sent to me several months ago by an inlaw of mine, who since then, I have had little contact. This was passed on by a judge who is supposed to be impartial? Give me a break. This is a perfect example of what is totally wrong in our country today. This partisan garbage will destroy our country if we are not careful.
Give it a rest yopu idiotic people free speech et al......get a life and find a joke to laught at it was damn funny!!!!
Ray, he can be removed via conviction, by 2/3's vote by the Senate at a special trial OR impeachment via simple majority by the House of Representatives.
hmm sorry but bush was called every name the left could think up. for 8 years all day everyday the left made fun of bush, ridiculed him, lied about him, defamed him, called him disgusting inappropriate disrespectful names and no one but his supporters came to him defense. as far as a civilian getting fired for this, never gonna happen and to say that it will is just an assumption based on ignorance and hatred.
this was a dirty joke about obamas mom not him, read the damn wording. south park did that joke long time ago with cartmans mom.
free speech - i love that we now use that as an excuse to be as hateful and bigoted as we want, to incite people to murder (like the extremist pro-lifers that post "wanted" ads on the internet for abortion doctors that they think should be killed, etc.). This way we can all just be as big of a**holes as we want, then turn around and claim free speech. didn't your parents teach you anything? sometimes things just needn't be said, because they are inappropriate, unnecessary, and ignorant, and only promote further ignorance, hate, or even violence. you're allowed to think what you want, but you don't have to say it, just because you can. you think we should protect hateful speech, just because we all want a soapbox and want the ability to be as big of a loud-mouth jerkoff as we want? i support free speech too - as it was intended - not as it has been perverted these days. it's shameful and cowardly what people do under the umbrella of free speech protection.
This isn't some guy at the office telling a dirty joke about the president or some idiot friend forwarding a racially charged email, this is a sitting federal judge. Federal judges can't just be fired (I'm a little surprised that so many people think he can just be fired), they must be impeached by Congress - that isn't going to happen.
To add stupid on top of stupid, the judge then responded to media inquiries. He is now subject to a motion to recuse (removed from the case). Montana is sparsely populated, and not known for a large black populace, but he has effectively relieved himself of hearing any case involving a black person. He gets to draw his $250,000 +/- yearly salary while sitting on his butt passing on cases where blacks are witnesses, defendants, or parties. Not a bad gig if you can get it.
P. Heckler,
You say, "Federal judges can't just be fired (I'm a little surprised that so many people think he can just be fired), they must be impeached by Congress - that isn't going to happen."
In fact, congressional impeachment isn't the only way to fire a federal judge. The "good behavior" clause allows the people to remove a sitting federal judge for bad behavior.
As is evidenced by your post, people most often don't understand their power.
Lune
independent thinking atheist,
Your post clearly shows that you're not independent nor thinking nor an atheist. Your post merely shows that you're a dependent thoughtless deist.
The free-speech amendment to the US Constitution merely guarantees the safeguarding of free speech against governmental abridgement. Employees can say whatever the hell they want, but consequences ensue, and the Constitution will left nary a hand.
When will you people get it through your heads that the US Constitution constrains the government, not the people in their freedoms and responsibilities?
Lune
I read this joke and I see nothing "racist" mentioned in its context. In fact if its offensive it would be either against women, obamas mother specifically, because it implies she was a party slut which resulted in his birth. There is nothing mentioned that is derogatory against blacks.
People are quick to throw the term "racist" around for every single implied slight. So much that in this generation the term is losing its true meaning. This is sad and dangerous.
I remember what "racists" are, I grew up and came of age in the 1960's and remember a lot of people displayed "bigotry" but not hate. Bigotry based on stereotypes of various cultures and misunderstandings, but not the hate.
Racists on the other hand were full of HATE, and violence and were a danger to everyone. I hope this lesson is not forgotten by time and misuse.
The implication is that the mom slept around with anything with a penis, and effectually reduces black people to a level only slightly higher than the dog in the joke.
It's racist, but the racism is overshadowed in my opinion by it's derogatory statement about women, and his mom in particular.
That joke isn't racist in the least, it doesn't imply anything about black people, you're just stretching way too far on that one.
Somone sees a "racial theme" so they immediately jump to play the race card, and that's exactly what happened here. Nothing more.
"I didn't send it as racist, although that's what it is." - that's from the Judge's lips if you read the article. He, himself calls it racist so why is there even an argument? You people are true dimwits
You cannot see the implication of racism there? Really?
The racism isn't overt and dripping, but it certainly is there.
Yeah I read the joke also. I am black and honestly I see nothing wrong with the joke. Racist is a huge over statement. Just because someone says something about the president is not grounds for termination unless of course you are supposed to be his campaign guy or something. The way this is handled should be like anything else his boss should tell him no private emails at work and that be the end of it. Someone has got in in for this guy for sure.
EngEsq - that's quite a reach that you made there. I hope that you didn't pull anything in doing so
'Mommy, how come I'm black and you're white? no reference to black and white?
So, AZ, you would want to stand in front of a judge who thought that disgusting "joke" was touching? What if you were a woman? A white woman with black kids?
Do you really think that joke would have been made about other presidents? White ones?
I think it says a lot about him that it touched him...made him feel how? All warm and fuzzy inside that maybe the President of the country is supposedly lucky he isn't a dog? Or that his mother slept with everything around? There are so many levels to this, and the biggest comment I think it says is on how he can be impartial to women...white women with black partners...biracial defendants...the list goes on.
Oh, and an judge who gets are warm and fuzzy over that disgusting email is not someone I would want representing this country and in authority over people's lives. I remember racists too, and they weren't all running around killing black people. They got the job done subtly usually by sending them to prison, executing them, allowing whites to get away with crimes against blacks, making little digs and comments, and behind the scenes nastiness. They did things like tell nasty jokes and refuse customers...they didn't all go shoot blacks and they aren't obvious.
It goes to judgment too. A US judge couldn't look at that and think for a moment about how distasteful it is before wanting his friends to get all warm and fuzzy over the thought of the President's mother having wild sex with who knows what at a party that he gets all touched thinking about?
The point Is: This is a U.S. Judge sending emails during the time He is to be working as a judge to the people, for the people.
His actions are Inappropriate and should come under great scrutiny to find out if this Is how He utilizes tax payer money to do his job!
@azrancher - what a creepy rationalization.
abtexas,
So a little boy asks why he's black, and the answer is that his momma's a drunk white party slut who would just as soon have sex with a dog as a black man. You see nothing racist in that?
Lune
Not really, the joke implies that a mixed racial child is the result of a wild sexually perverse evening where the woman sleeps with black men and animals. Do you not see how this implies that sleeping with black men is analogous to bestiality?
Secondly, I never heard jokes about bush's mom having sex with monkeys based upon his lack of intelligence (or drinking while pregnant/crack whore, etc.). Why do you think that is?
To the texas oreo, see the truth for what it is and stop sucking up to a racist system just to make your life easier.
I am shocked and appalled that a judge would be "touched" by such offensive, disgusting "joke!" But what concerns me even more is the comments by some on this Vine re: this "not being racist"!!!???
Would you like me to tell you your mother mated with a dog! Would you consider that a fine appropriate joke?
Get REAL! And put yourself in someone else's shoes. "Do onto others as you would have them do unto you" (quote from Jesus Christ)
abtexas: let me guess...if it's not a joke that starts by saying "get a rope" --in your book, it's not racist? It can't be racist AND sexist at the same time? Is there ANY bar you have for human decency?
I'm surprised the judge chose to be 'touched' by a message when he claims he simply disagrees with President Obama's political beliefs. Obama has greater educational credentials this misanthropic throwback, but maybe this judge considers higher educated people as snobs as do so many of his kind!
So maybe the judge was inappropriately 'touched' when he was a youngster and views this kind of email as a salve to his wounds? Gee, maybe you are all touched by my email and should forward it back to this judge. When you disagree with somebody's opinion it shouldn't make you feel better to disparage his parents, his race, or his upbringing. This judge isn't just a racist, he's an ignorant snob. Nobody should trust him in traffic court more or less federal court.
To those who don't think there's any bit of bigotry or racism in the joke...study your history.
Aside from the fairly overt implication that mixed race people are barely above the level of beasts, dehumanizing people of other races has long been the refuge of racists and bigots regardless of the skin color of the intended victims. American newspapers often showed deplorable animal themed caricatures of blacks and immigrants in "political" cartoons in the 18th & 19th & 20th centuries. Many fascist regimes have used equating races and ethnic groups to animals as a means to generate hate for their political enemies.
How any person, particularly someone that's supposed to be as educated, thoughtful and impartial as a duly appointed federal judge, could find anything "touching" in as sorry a joke as this one, and not see the bigotry it contains, certainly that person is not fit to sit in judgement of others.
You have to also remember that is the sixties racism did not have to be hiden or covert. The times are different now and despite what people would like to beleive racism has nevered waned in this country it has just been hidden. With the election of President Obama racisim has come out of hiding. The "joke" was a racists comment there are no if and's or but's about that. It's 2012 so it is not going to be as blantant as it was in the 50's and 60's or even as violent (in some areas) but its there. Anyone that would suggest that the Barack Obama's mother mated with an animal for the simple fact that she wsa with a black man should be called out as a racists. And that fact that this touched him and he wanted to share it with his friends is deplorable. And yes he should lose his job.
EngEsq- there where pics of Bush/chimpanzee mixed to imply Bush was stupid how would a 1/2 man 1/2 chimp be possible if not through sex. A similar pic of obuma would be racist but on bush it was not.
It is noticable that many people need to ween themselves off of the kool aid that is destroying the education levels in our country. I never suggested that it was OK. I thought it rather stupid myself, but did not find it racist and commented that many people dont remember or dont know what racism is today.
Go back and get a basic education in word meaning and definition and you might see:
a. all whites are trailer park rednecks......BIGOTRY
b. all mexicans are thieves.........BIGOTRY
c. all blacks sell drugs and are lazy.......BIGOTRY
d. all polish people are stupid.........BIGOTRY
e. all jewish people are tight with money......BIGOTRY
versus
a. White people are more intelligent and superior to all blacks who are subhuman degenerates.......RACISM.
b. Black/African people should segregate themselves from the white contamination and kill all whites.....RACISM.
The belief that a entire race of people are superior as a whole to another race of people and who often use violent rhetoric and action to enforce the belief...........
The race card is being played so much it is losing its value and menaing, which allows real racists to operate openly and that is a danger to everyone.
there is so much coruptness and hate and u name it how can one man judge another guess if u have lots of money u have a fighting chance
AZ RANCHER: that's what this email was saying. Comparing an african american man with a dog as a sexual partner. The joke is referring to the race as being on par with a nonhuman (subhuman if you will). It is absolutely racist. I can't believe that I have to explain that in this day and age. You people know better but you're in denial.
AbTexas: you need to move the hell out of Texas if as a black person you're not offended by this. I live in Texas too, I just moved, now I want to get as far away from these backwoods thoughts as I possibly can!
What kinds of people are in our judicial system?!
You guys are reading way too much into this joke. If you're thinking that what it implies, then you might just be the racist ones here.
No rights to free speech being squelched here, he said it and is not in jail or charged with anything, but hopefully there are some sort consequences for what you say when you hold an honorary position like Federal Judge! Let's just put it this way, had people known he thought it was ok to say this kind of demeaning crap about a woman and about the person that now holds the office of the Presidency, he would have never been appointed. What if you were an known Obama supporter that was of mixed race in his court, would you feel like he could be an impartial judge for your case? He is out of line for his line of work!
You know, my 9 year old also tries to play dumb when she does something wrong. Ignorance is no excuse, and feigned ignorance is even worse.
So which are you, unintelligent, in denial, or trying to weasel out of being labeled a racist?
Prohibition doesn't work,
As EngEsq points out, there's no need to "read into" this lamentably lame excuse of a joke, nor is there any need to try to figure out what it "implies". A little boy asks why he's black, and the answer is that his momma's a drunk white party slut who would just as soon have sex with a dog as a black man. What part of that narrative are you missing?
Lune
EngEsq - you're twisting words. It's like if I asked you when did you stop beating your wife?
You can acknowlege black and white without being racist. Is that too simple a concept for you to grasp? I'll bet that your nine year old can help you with it
We have a black president. Statement of fact or racist?
mendy07,
A little boy asks why he's black, and the answer is that his momma's a drunk white party slut who would just as soon have sex with a dog as a black man. What part of that narrative are you missing?
Oh, pardon me, we're just acknowledging black and white without being racist. Silly me.
Lune
You're the one inventing this as being implied in the joke, the only thing it says is she can't remember who she slept with at the party, and it could just as easily have been a dog. This sounds more to me that she was being snide in her response, not like she was being serious.
Prohibition doesn't work,
A little boy asks why he's black, and the answer is that his momma's a drunk white party slut who would just as soon have sex with a dog as a black man. For heaven's sake, what part of that narrative are you missing?
Lune
AZ Rancher,
Go back and get a basic education in word meaning and definition and you might see:
a. all whites @!$%# dogs when drunk
b. all mexicans @!$%# dogs when drunk
c. all blacks @!$%# dogs when drunk
d. all polacks @!$%# dogs when drunk
e. all jews @!$%# dogs when drunk
How have you missed this ugly narrative?
Lune
Its called freedom of speech you dullards, just because a judge forwarded it to a few friends makes it a big deal? Nobody would have knowen about it if it hadn't been reported and repeated on this website, which I am glad it was, because that is one funny joke that I will have great pleasure repeating over and over again. lol
Besides, it might simply be an excerpt from his memoirs. Since you were not with him while he grew up, who can say for sure.
only difference OBO has with the judge is OBO likes the joke because he IS a racist.
No, there's a second difference: the level of education.
I'm offended that you chose to squander the free education my peers and I, through various Taxes, provided you with
You just said what? - seems that they both have a JD degree, but the judge does have far more experience in law than obama could ever hope to have. I'll take hands on courtroom experience over just teaching experience any day of the week.
obo...do the world a favor and stop breathing before you rape and impregnate someone....now that's a funny joke....douchebag
You don't even understand free speech OBO. See how you were collapsed? See how you agreed to not call names, and you do, and may get suspended for it? Why? Because, that's how it works. Free speech doesn't mean that you can't say whatever you want and have no consequences for it. Now, if he was just a regular Joe and did it, that would be one thing. But he put himself in to a job where what he says and does, like any politician, can and will be used against them.
Hear about the guy who was fired from beer company for drinking the competitions beer and getting photographed? Or about the teacher who wants all her students to die and can't stand them and getting canned for that?
People get fired for telling dirty jokes as a form of sexual harassment. People get fired for calling others "fags"- while on break, on company property. People get fired for saying that Muslims are the devil, when the guy working next to him takes it to HR. And all are justified. Hope you get to learn that the hard way some day, by whatever means necesary.
PC police again!
Exactly Roger. It's fun to see how sanctimonious some are when if this was a post about Romney or Gingrich they would be ranting their insults at them.
How many of us have said or written something we later regretted? Or rather how many of us haven't?
I seem to recall Obozo claiming that this country had 57 states. Should he have been NOT allowed to be president for that? Well, it might have been nice actually, but it didn't turn out that way. We all make mistakes at times. It's as simple as that.
Jokes about a person isn't necessarily Racism. I dislike Obozo and his politics, but my views have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with his race.
The PC police need to calm down here.
Look how far back you have to go to find an error by President Obama: he was talking about the number of stops on the campaign trail.
You're missing the point, genius. This filthy joke is about President Obama's dead mother. It's unnecessary, disgusting, and irrelevant. No one ever insulted Barbara Bush. She was respected in this country. Now people are throwing bestiality insults at a dead woman.
Turn it around. What if it were about Barbara Bush? 'George, I'm surprised you don't bark.' I'd be equally against it. Janine, if you can't see how this is wrong, I weep for you.
@Janine, I pray that no one was dumb enough to breed you. Stupid like yours should never be passed along .Your lack if intelligence is appalling.
Your logic is parroted here by other mouth breathers. It is curious how the likes of neanderthals like you want to bring up the hypothetical, "If this was an email about Romney, Gingrich, etc..". But there never are any emails so vile about those right-wing hypocrites. so your point is not only moot, it is tiresome and a deflection of the point.
Instead, the "passionate, conservative"s take every opportunity to insult this POTUS and his wife regarding their appearance and culture. I know this post will go over your head because it has multiple polysyllabic words, but perhaps you can get someone who isn't partially retarded to interpret it for you. You do know people who can read, right?
Redman41,
Looks like Janine didn't know people who can read. She wrote, "I dislike Obozo and his politics, but my views have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with his race." Nah, not at all, not a bit, not even a tiddly. She seems "to recall Obozo claiming that this country had 57 states", and she pretends that this factual mistake spoken on the spur of the moment equates to a judge deliberately and under no pressure of public speaking being "touched" by a so-called joke stating that white women would just as soon @!$%# a dog as a black man.
Janine's assertions show the final degradation of American women, given (as is amply clear) that she embraces that degradation. My mom had a bit more fight about her.
Because no one (likely even you) are paying attention here, I'll say that all things look pretty much hopeless. That anyone would defend this ugliness. How low can a species fall?
Lune
If someone passed this on to his friends and it was about my Mother, even if she has been gone for 9 yrs., they would have He-- to pay!
Completely offensive that he would put down dogs like that!
Says "dixie" with a confederate flag icon. Yup, we're taking you seriously.
Good heavens yes, Dixie!
What self-respecting dog would have sex with a white woman?
Lune
Better call PETA for insulting canines.
I don't see anything racist about it.
The judge is from Montana, I lived there from 1978 to 1980 and they are the reason cowboy boots are made the way they are, BAA!! So the sheep can't get away. . .
Yet another reason why I love technology.
It's so funny when old people get themselves in to trouble because they don't understand it well enough.
This would be why most people have a separate personal email account, and don't send crude things where they can be easily tracked.
There is no such thing as a 'personal' email account. Internet privacy is a myth built on ignorance. Good thing the judge doesn't have a facebook page.
I have a personal email account through hotmail (not even using my own name), and a work email through my job. While I'm sure my hotmail account could be hacked, there isn't any other way for people to see what I'm up to in my emails. (and a hacker would get bored really quickly). My work email is accessable by my boss, the IT department, etc. Anything sent through my work email is something I wouldn't mind anyone seeing. Same for my facebook page. I don't put anthing on there that I would mind having everyone and anyone see.
why would ANYONE send out anything like this anyway? It is childish.
EngEsq, in public, judges are held to a higher standard of personal conduct than the usual citizen. In private he can wear women's pantyhose on his head, date Furries and hate the president until his eyes bubble, but that's his private life. I believe this is what you meant...
The judge still has his freedom of speech and thought. It's like that police officer who shot the image of President Obama on the tshirt. He would have been all right had he not posted the photo on Facebook. As long as you follow the rules and behave in public you can do as you like in private.
You people need to get agrip. This is nothing out of the norm. Jokes are sent around on the internet all the time about many different people that if you hate could be seen as racist. It was a funny joke and so he passed it on. I have a friend that I see fairly regular when our schedules permit. One day , while drinking a beer together I told him I had been looking at a BMW convertable and he laughed and said he did not need one because he was one. Confused I asked him what he meant and he replied that he was a" Black Man working". We both laughed. No harm no foul, just two friends sharing time and enjoying it without race being involved. Yes he is black and I am white but why should that matter. People are taking this way out of context.
The issue isn't an off color joke, it is that he is a federal judge, who is held to a higher standard of impartiality. Not that judges cannot have personal opinions, but the job requires them to be neutral on issues, and not convey a sense of bias.
They hold a privileged place in our society and are thus held to higher standards.
Scot, I agree with your post. There are jokes sent around the internet all the time. I have seen a bunch about Obama, Mitt, Frothy, Newt, etc etc. Some people could call some of the racist, I look at it as people using their first admendment rights. While distasteful they maybe, we need to get over this policical correct BS, and just say it like it is.
I have also seen some rude jokes about men and women, and again, while they may be distasteful, the delete button is on the keyboard for a reason.
I do not question one bit that his comments were crude, tasteless, and inappropriate. They were, however, not racist. Even as a republican, I am terribly troubled by the lack of respect for our Present and the Commander in Chief. Nonetheless, I think more than a tasteless email to ones friends is required to remove a federal judge from a lifetime appointment to the bench.
Oh you people who flog the first amendment make me laugh in wonder at how you get through life being so totally clueless. This isn't about rights. This is about appropriateness. Did this judge have the "right" to forward this email? Yes, of course he did. I don't see anyone here challenging that. The old saying works here - just because you can doesn't mean you should. This guy is a federal judge. He's on the government payroll. Here - all you first amendmenters, try this. Send an email out to your whole company suggesting that your boss's mother had sex with a dog. See what happens and then scream first amendment and see how far that gets you.
Brian - but he didn't send the email out to his whole company; just a few friends. One of those "friends" evidntally isn't such a friend since this got out into the wild where people can blow it all out of proportion.
Right on. He is in a position of great power and should know better than to send that sort of communication to anyone. It disturbs me that he has the authority to judge someone and change their life forever. Its ridiculous and he should step down and apologize to the President personally. What an a**hole.
Yes, but that friend WAS the black man. If you had said, "Hey there, you don't need one of those because you are one...a Black Man Working" he may or may not have thought it was very funny. And I bet if you implied that his mother was lucky you don't bark because she must have been at some party he might not feel quite so happy sharing beers with you.
If I want to call myself a white b*tch that is one thing. If you circulated emails about me calling me that I most likely wouldn't think you were someone I wanted to stand in front of to be judged by you.
Just because you CAN make nasty comments or forward disgusting emails about the President (and more so if you are a government worker) doesn't mean you shouldn't have to face the consequences. I own a business, and I have the right to make nasty comments about our customers and imply all kinds of disgusting things about their race, their heritage, or anything else. BUT, if I choose to show such bad judgment and taste, possible racist labeling, and probable loss of a considerable number of clients in my business by forwarding such a disgusting email then I choose the consequences and need to man (or woman) up and accept it.
If you say something like that and don't know the microphone is open you still take the consequences. It's called taking responsibility and being an adult.
EngEsq, your hitting the nail on the head. If not for the knotheads the point would be driven home by now.
Wonder if this judge starts off all his courtroom sessions with a request for all riff-raff democrats to declare themselves before the start of a trial? Or maybe he justs ask for anyone with non-black skin but with black ancestry to declare themselves to him. Either way, the man is a loon and his oath to office and to defend and protect the constitution of the United States is in conflict with his personality. He has declared himself to be incompetent to hold his current office. He needs to go! Either he goes, or he orders the majority of americans that voted for Obama to leave the country. Sedition is his only way out of his personal conflicts.
ENGESQ- so he should just recuse himself from cases involving a drunk single mom having bestiality parties. The joke was bout his mom.
Racist? Really? All of a sudden it is bad for a person in a political position to forward a harmless email?? I really still don't get the joke, other than agree with what others say, it is more towards the WHITE woman and obviously doing the deed with the first person or thing she came across. Anyway, I like how as I read through all of your posts, you all seem to be so innocent. Never cracking a funny. Guess what people??? JOKES are always prejudice against someone. Prejudice doesn't mean black vs white. This "problem" exists in everyone that can tell a joke and laugh about it, so just because he is on a bench in the higher end of justice, he all of a sudden is no longer human? Everybody needs to get over the crying of "RACISM" "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" "BOOHOO I AM OFFENDED", move on people there are many more problems in this country that need to be addressed rather than putting all focus on a bad joke that was passed around.
TO SALLY ANN: Yes, we see emails like this on the web all the time - can't say I've received one from a FEDERAL JUDGE. He didn't have the good sense to sit on this one and be moved by himself, huh? What a nimrod he is.
I agree Salisbury. The man just doesn't have basic common sense... and makes jusgements for other people. Scary!
He screwed up by picking a friend who wouldn't stand for that BS and brought it to light. He screwed up by not recognizing that in his own friend. lol He screwed up by putting it in writing, that's for sure. He's just a screw up and just shouldn't be in a position of authority. I'm glad his friend didn't just ignore it. And if he's sooooo proud of it, and if it's soooo right, why the apology? Own it. Make it yours. Be proud of your decision and don't back down. Or maybe.. it's cause he knew it wasn't right. D'oh! So the man is stupid AND he lacks balls.
Now he's just diminished his word and opinion. Who can take him seriously? I mean, to stoop to that level rather than be someone who can stick to facts, problems, solutions.. not race, beastiality and personal attacks. The man wouldn't even be allowed on NV with that junk! lol
The Judge being a bit of a bigot might actually make him a 50/50 fair judge because he has to work that much harder to APPEAR fair against minorities. Besides, as a local cable tv producer who works with local comics that joke of the kid asking his mom about his race is the oldest HACK joke in the book along with blond jokes and anything referring to blacks as monkeys. NOTE TO JUDGE: Although I am not black, I have made black jokes infront of black people. If you have the guts to make "low-brow" jokes to the people your trying to make fun of you will atleast be respected. They might even like it "IF THE JOKES ARE FUNNY!" If you haven't learned by now what is appropriate for a man in your position then it is obvious you have proven you are NOT qualified to pass judgement. You were appointed a Judge, not a comic
Eng, if we hold people in high office to higher standards, then WHY was Clinton allowed to stay in office after being caught in a (Oral isn't sex) situation with one of his Interns? While I can agree with you to a point, you need to be consistent. Why is one wrong and the other ok?
Did you read your own post? You are spouting the kind of liberal drivel that is bringing this country down. Liberals want to make up their own rules for the rest of us, even if their rules ignore or violate the US Constitution.
The joke was crude, and I would not forward it (I doubt anyone would have sent it to me). However, your being "offended" by someone else does not change our basic rights. If it did, the majority of rappers would be in jail and MTV and others would be out of business. There are plenty of un-funny so-called comedians who do nothing but offend.
Get over it.
BTW - if you think nothing this bad was said about Bush, you were either brain-dead or deaf since about 1999 or you are plain lying (to yourself, if no one else).
something racist Comment collapsed by the community
I shared the joke w my office including my boss and everyone laughed.
Must have some real algonquin roundtable types there at your workplace!
Try changing the joke to where it's your boss's mom that may have had sex with a dog and send it to everyone in the office except him. Then let someone else show it to him and see how much he laughs.
Dare ya! Double Dog Dare Ya! C'mon Hotshot, do it!
Bet he'd be collecting unemployment in no time.
Janine-1645002, By your own thought process, WHY wasn't President Bush brought up on charges for lying about WMDs to go to war. Maybe you should ask President Bush and V.P. Cheney why they won't travel outside the U.S. because of War Crimes Act awaiting them if and when they do.
Justice17,
A challenge: Let me know what office you work in, and let me canvas the workers there about your claim that they all laughed at this disgusting misogynist pretense of a joke. Dare ya. Double Dog dare ya.
Lune
By the way, Justice17,
Come by my way and make a joke about my mother @!$%#ing a dog, and see how much I laugh. Just watch how much I laugh. Damn, that fist is laughing and laughing and laughing, and it just won't stop.
Lune
You stay classy Gopers as always!!
Freedom of speech in my opinion. Don't like it?? Move to Iran or Afghanistan.
Sorry, this is me exercising my freedom of speech in stating the judge is a racist dullard. Don't like it? How about YOU move.
He sent it from work using his work email address. This makes a difference.
Was he arrested for his email? No? Then his freedom of speech was not restricted. I get so tired of people who throw around the "freedom of speech" term without bothering to learn/understand what it means. Freedom of speech does not mean there are no consequences for what people say. You have the legal freedom to call your boss every four letter name in the book. The government will not arrest you. But your boss still has the freedom to fire you for it.
Hey "Tarzan" -
Freedom of speech does not make one immune to the consequences of its exercise.
This judge should be dumped.
i agree with you...as for "you just said what"....
CRACK...no sale
Pardon?
Oh ... just random trolling by a new-sub with internet-ADHD. Never mind.
YouJustSaidWhat, you have to forgive jd0061, he forgot his white hood today and had to go with his normal look of a horse's backside.
Tarzan7,
I'll type this assertion s l o w l y for possible penetration:
1. The free-speech amendment to the US Constitution asserts that government can not abridge the right of the people to speak freely.
2. The free-speech amendment to the US Constitution does not guarantee that people will be immune to consequences when they speak freely.
However do you find these foundational principles so hard to understand?
Lune
Appalling! If he didn't know or think that was a racist "joke", he's not smart enough to be on the bench. He needs to apologize -- which I didn't read -- and resign. Also, I didn't read that. His excuse sounds like a fifth grader who said a curse words but told the teacher it was the kid next to him who said it. Disgusting!
PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO REMOVE THIS MAN FROM OFFICE!!
(Copy and paste into web browser if link doesn't work)
The joke is not racist. The pictures of 1/2 GW Bush 1/2 chimp where just as offensive. He should only recuse himself from cases involving drunk single moms, having bestiality parties. The joke was a crack at his mom, and I have heard far worse about Bush & Clinton
Who in their right mind passes on a joke about of all people, the President's mother and expect not to have it intercepted? The minute the President's name is involved an email is intercepted. Who doesn't know this? You might think you can say whatever you want, and you can, but don't be surprised when there are consequences. If you can't make a simple judgment such as this, then how in the he!! can you judge other people choices in life?
steveaae, you have any proof of JUDGES or anyone else in the Federal Gov. doing this? If so then fine, if not then shut it.
fantomdog-
(say, isn't your name racist, at least according to the ill-logic used by some in this thread?)
The main-stream media does not cover attacks on Bush, yet they were certainly all over the internet. Where have you been? Are you saying all the liberals in government were just so lily-white (oh shoot, I used a word of no color!) that they NEVER attacked Bush??? Did you even listen to major Democratic politicians?? Apparently not!
Dr Larry, my name isn't racist any more than you are a 'real' doctor. Now that we've established that, where have YOU been, that you haven't seen verbal attacks concerning President Bush in the media? Your memory that short-sighted? BTW, the internet is a wonderful thing, because it SHOWS replays of what WAS said in the media, via talking or written. When you can come back with a better retort concerning such attacks than to just point fingers, go for it, or else as I said to steveea - shut it.
Fantomdog, this was an attack on the President's deceased mother.
Tasteless and despicable.
Peridot, yes I know, it IS tasteless and despicable, especially for someone of authority to promote as a 'joke,' although Dr Larry has not grasped that premise yet, and is hunting for other things.
With friends like those, who needs enemies.
BTW the Joke, ROGLMFAO!
These pro-judge comments show us what sick turds are running around our country.
And these anti-judge comments show us how many nazis are running around the country.
It was a joke, in bad taste to some, perhaps, but that's all it was.
It is so obvious who of you, actually dislike the President. Transparent...actually.
The joke is not racist. The pictures of 1/2 GW Bush 1/2 chimp where just as offensive. He should only recuse himself from cases involving drunk single moms, having bestiality parties. The joke was a crack at his mom, and I have heard far worse about Bush & Clinton
Prohibition doesn't work,
But public censure does. You say, "It was a joke, in bad taste to some, perhaps, but that's all it was." Let's pretend for the nonce that "it" was a bad-taste joke, nothing more. Overwhelming public censure has been heaped on "it".
Get a grip, silly ones. A couple points, in order, as I would teach foundlings.
1. The free-speech amendment means that anyone can promulgate whatever, even when it's racist ugliness.
2. The free-speech amendment does not mean that the free speakers are protected from the consequences of their racially ugly utterances.
Free speech carries with it responsibility for freely speaking. What part of that foundational principle have you missed, Prohibition?
Oh, I see. You prohibit consequences.
Lune
When at work-one should act as a the professional that he is. And besides where I used to work the computers were used only for work. It didn't matter what kind of joke it was!!!
Another redneck showing his true colors.
Let's see, if I was a black man would I feel comfortable being in front of this judge? Comfortable that I would be treated fairly and get a fair trial? I think the answer to that is obvious. This man needs to leave the bench or be leaved from it, NOW!
I am sure this judge working for the federal government knows that if you abuse your power even on accident you will be punished. To say that he is racist is over statement. The guy is just a republican and lots of them have no respect for our democratic "black" president. This guy should not be fired unless he has a list of things like this against him and solid racist actions.
I would feel more uncomfortable if I was a white woman charged with drunken bestiality as that was what the joke was about. You know the pics of 1/2 GWB 1/2 chimp implied the same thing.
Why would a Black guy care? The joke slams a white woman as a dog fukkar! Geez, grow up baby.
Brian, what did he say against black people? Not a thing. Seems to me he was insulting a white woman.
Was it in poor taste? yes
Was it racist? NO
Do you really believe that suggesting that Obama is the offspring of his mother and a dog had nothing to do with Obama? That his intention, by forwarding this was to take a cheap shot at Mrs. Obama? Seriously???
And if you believe that this had nothing to do with Obama's race then there is nothing that I can say that will convince you otherwise. But I will hope that you get re-incarnated as a black man and have to stand in front of and be judged by this judge.
abtexas,
So let's pretend that you're a business owner (a stretch, I know, because you're a @!$%# and @!$%#s don't own businesses, they're all so shiftless) and your employee says in public that yo momma @!$%#s dogs when she can get them.
So you're not going to fire her? You're going to say that "this gal should not be fired unless she has a list of things like this against her and solid racist actions"?
Go to bed, Uncle Tom.
Lune
Another humiliation for the fine state of Montana. People of America, just please know that there are many, many decent people of any and all political persuasions here. As a side note, good grief get a spell check for this article.
Very insulting...to the dog.
Good joke. But inappropriate for a "Judge" to email around. Same guy who decides on people's lives. Idiot.
NONE of you would even be on this posting if Bush were still in office, would you?
If this 'joke' were about Barbara Bush I'd be just as angry, Ralph DeMattia. It's revolting and deplorable.
Ralph DeMattia-322824,
I once knew a woman named Baba DeMattia. Her first name was pronounced "Baby" and her last name was pronounced DEEMuhTay, but I always called her Mrs. DeMattia.
She lived (when I knew her) in the 1970s. She was old then. I had the honor of attending the party when she celebrated her fiftieth birthday. She lived in Blytheville, the armpit of Arkansas.
She would never have been "touched" by this despicable disrespect of a woman for no rational reason. She would have fought tooth and nail against anyone who so disrespected Barbara Bush. She would have fought tooth and nail against anyone who so disrespected Michelle Obama.
She would have fought tooth and nail against anyone who so disrespected any woman of whatever color.
I hope that she still lives and is still fighting tooth and nail. If your post is any indication (it is), we need her.
Lune
Very poor judgement. Terrible taste. Lousy judgement!