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Subscribe to RSSIncredible tales of survival emerge as dozens are dead and entire towns are destroyed from a massive outbreak of storms from the Great Lakes to the Gulf coast. NBC's Tom Costello reports.
Updated at 3:20 a.m. ET
HENRYVILLE, Ind. -- As tornado-hit communities searched for victims and removed debris on Saturday, they also got word that their misery isn't over: A cold front moving in from the north is likely to dump snow on the hardest hit regions on Sunday, the National Weather Service said in an alert.
A mix of rain and snow will "quickly change over to all snow late Sunday night," the service warned, in parts of Indiana and Kentucky, where tens of thousands were without power after Friday's twisters that killed at least 39 people, injured hundreds and destroyed or damaged hundreds of homes.
Temperatures by Sunday night in places like hard-hit Henryville, Ind., are likely to dip below 30 degrees F, a problem for anyone without heat.
On Saturday, several small twisters were reported in southeast Georgia that took down trees but caused no injuries. Parts of northern Florida were under a tornado watch.
Friday's twisters crushed entire blocks of homes, ripped power lines from broken poles and tossed cars, school buses and tractor-trailers onto roadways.
"It's all gone," Andy Bell said of a neighborhood in Henryville, as he guarded a friend's demolished service garage, not far from where a school bus stuck out from the side of a restaurant and a parking lot where a small classroom chair jutted from a car window.
"It was beautiful," he said, looking around. "And now it's just gone. I mean, gone."
NBC News reported that, as of 1:20 a.m. ET Sunday, there were 37 deaths confirmed by authorities: 20 from Kentucky, 12 from Indiana, three from Ohio, one from Alabama and one from Georgia.
In Kentucky, where some 300 people were injured and 17,000 lost power, the National Guard and state police searched wreckage for an unknown number of missing.
In Indiana, authorities searched rural communities that officials said "are completely gone."
One person was known to have died in hard-hit Henryville, a town of about 2,000 near Louisville, Ky., and the birthplace of Kentucky Fried Chicken founder Col. Harland Sanders.
At first glance, the brick-and-steel framed school in Henryville looked like no match for a tornado, but it protected a handful of students and adults who found themselves trapped in a no-man's land. NBC's Lester Holt reports.
Survivors walked down littered streets with shopping carts full of water and food, handing it out to anyone in need. Hundreds of firefighters and police zipped around a town where few recognizable structures remained; all of Henryville's schools were destroyed.
Survivors recall 'crash, bang, break' at school
Toddler found alive in field
Susie Renner, 54, said she saw two tornadoes barreling down on Henryville within minutes of each other. The first was brown from being filled with debris; the second was black.
"I'm a storm chaser," Renner said, "and I have never been this frightened before."
The Weather Channel's Jim Cantore explains why portions of the US will be seeing many more tornadoes.
Friday's outbreak came two days after tornadoes killed 13 people in the Midwest and South, and forecasters at the National Weather Service's Storm Prediction Center had said the day would be one of a handful this year that warranted its highest risk level. By 10 p.m., the weather service had issued 269 tornado warnings. Only 189 warnings were issued in all of February.
"We knew this was coming. We were watching the weather like everyone else," said Danny Rodden, sheriff of Indiana's Clark County. "This was the worst case scenario. There's no way you can prepare for something like this."
2012 tornado disaster relief: How to help
The storms raised fears that 2012 will be another bad year after 550 deaths were blamed on twisters last year, the deadliest year in nearly a century, according to the National Weather Service.
The highest death tolls last year were from an April outbreak in Alabama and Mississippi that claimed 364 lives, and from a May tornado in Joplin, Mo., that killed 161 people.
Nearly 100 tornadoes were reported on Friday, but the final number will be smaller once duplicate reports are filtered out.
On Friday, 14 people were reported killed in Indiana -- including four in Chelsea, where a man, woman and their 4-year-old great-grandchild died in one house. Tony Williams, owner of the Chelsea General Store, said the child and mother were huddled in a basement when the storm hit and sucked the 4-year-old out her hands. The mother survived, but her 70-year-old grandparents were upstairs; both died.
"They found them in the field, back behind the house," Williams said.
Two people also died farther north in Holton, where it appeared a tornado cut a diagonal swath down the town's tiny main drag, demolishing a cinderblock gas station in one spot and leaving a tiny white church intact down the road.
Severe storms and tear through the midwest and southern states.
"We are going to continue to hit every county road that we know of that there are homes on and search those homes," said Indiana State Police Sgt. Jerry Goodin. "We have whole communities and whole neighborhoods that are completely gone."
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Tornadoes were reported in at least six Ohio cities and towns, including the village of Moscow, where a council member found dead in her home was one of at least three people killed in the state.
Several dozen homes were damaged, some stripped down to their foundations, and the Clermont County commissioners called a state of emergency for the first time in 15 years.
Severe winds also caused damage in Georgia, North Carolina and Tennessee.
NBC News, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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I wonder how many of these red state Governor's are going to ask the President to issue disaster declarations so that they are eligible for federal funds?
This is the time where we all need to come together and help one another.
We can start the healing process by leaving the snide "Red State" (and blue state) remarks out of the comments. And I think it is a no-brainer some disaster area will be declared, request or no request.
Come together, yes. Becoming a unitary party system, no thanks.
At whose expense is it going to be paid for? You won't hear that rhetoric from them on this issue, but you will when it deals with other issues.
That is why we all need to come together as one.
I didn't see anything snide about the comment. 'Tis just a simple fact of geography, overlain by a sticky and unfortunate veneer of unsavory politics, pal.
this is what happens when you let Gay's join the government,
sorry but you have brought about gods wrath.
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard!!!
zodiac killer - you are a heartless, ignorant, hate filled, gutless fool. do you feel better about yourself now? No, I am not Gay, nor am I a radical Christian. But I'm not surprised you are the way you are...your screen name says it all.
One thing I think we can all agree on is to 1) drop the politcal BS and 2) get a pair of gloves on and try helping. Tossing some outrageous bible crap into the fray doesn't help them or the ones spewing it. Feel like doing something?...then get on down that way and lend a hand. Or, donate what you know they're going to need. ut this bible and politcal crap has to end. Trollers can find a new home.
This is when the rubber meets the road. It's totally appropriate to point out the GOP policies against the very aid they now need. People have to understand how these things work out in reality.
Oregon vet - naturak disasters don't give a @!$%# about left or right. Talking about discretionary spending is far and away on the opposite end of government spending.
Apparently, you think that a social agenda of enabling an entitlement agenda of optional spending takes precedence over natural disasters.
Enlighten us please, do you provide free animal care for for those who are registered democrats and double the price for those who are registered republicans,
***MODERATOR*** zodiac killer is a rereg troll, please delete
Everyone else please ignore the hate
If you're going to be all "red and blue" about it (which is idiotic in my opinion) then maybe you should know that Indiana was "blue" in the last presidential cycle. This whole idea of "red" and "blue" states causes people to forget, ignore, dismiss the millions of "blue" voters inside those "red" states. Likewise, I know plenty "red" voters inside my "blue" state. It's just another way to divide and hate. People are suffering because storms hit; storms hit certain areas; earthquakes hit certain areas; volcanoes affect certain areas. That's nature ... and we can't all live in the paradise that is Oregon. Ooops ... you do occasionally have those high winds, floods, and snow storms in the mountains, don't you? Leave the politics out of natural disasters. They are a fact of life.
Oregon Vet has a valid comment. How many of the Right-wing Tea-Tagger Conservatives are going to be hollering for FEDERAL money to help clean things up? Every time I see/hear about someone losing their home, some Right-wing Tea-Tagger Conservative pipes in with something about "personal responsibility" for their own welfare and security. Well, if all those tornado victims had made sure their insurance was paid up, maybe them Right-wing Tea-Tagger Conservatives wouldn't have to holler for FEDERAL money to help clean things up.
Hey, I'm just using the Right-wing Tea-Tagger Conservative argument against them: Why should I have to pay for their bad planning and or laziness? They KNEW that a tornado might some day "reach out" and obliterate their houses.
Hey quacked: Maybe we should just take polls in these areas and see who votes Democrat and who Votes "Tea Bagger" there, huh brainiac? You DO realize there are a LOT of Democrat voters in these areas, right? No, you don't. That's too complicated a prospect for you. To you, it's just red states vs. blue states and simpleton thoughts like that.
I know you emotion-driven, Move-On libs can't decipher the difference between out of control government spending + Nanny State big government intruding on our private lives + asinine billion dollar bailouts + throwing money at failed Big Green energy companies like Solyndra versus a freaking NATURAL DISASTER. We all know that. We also all know you people can only think on a sophomoric level to decipher that since the "Tea Baggers" are against SOME government, then by default that means they are against ALL government. You liberals accuse Conservatives of using sweeping accusations - and in many cases that is true. But you people do the exact same thing and don't even know it.
But since you brought up personal responsibility, I saw the residents of Mississippi pick themselves up from the bootstraps and fix their destruction a LOT faster than anyone in New Orleans did.
Hey JHawke, did you even bother to READ what was written -- or did you just decide to comment on what you WANT TO SEE/READ/HEAR?
p.s., JHawke, YOU used the term "Tea Bagger" and "nanny-state" - not me. I said TEA-TAGGER.
Hey Quacked - I figure I'd just go ahead and help you with your vitriol! And I read EXACTLY what you wrote, and responded to it accordingly.
Now you tell me where I was wrong in responding to your insipid, snide comments about the Righties and government assistance (and I duly note you did not counter any of my comments). I'm all ears, liberal.
And watch how FEMA works when it's ran correctly instead of some jack*&$ horse trainer who used to shotgun beers with you at Yale. That's exactly what pisses us off Jhawke...not one word of criticism from any of you for 8 years, 8 F'in years about the money that hillbilly spent or the failed policies he got us into and you hate this guy now because 7/8 of his problems were inherited. Screw you and anybody else who cries now when they need the government. Government is good when you are running it and controlling it then it's the worst one on the face of the earth when the other side gets their shot!
I havn't seen anything yet where Obamy or FEMA has surfaced yet. Maybe still on the campaign trail?
Your ethnic slur is entirely inappropriate, RAS. However, to answer your question, according to other press reports, the president was briefed this morning on the overnight events and has been on the phone with the governors of Kentucky and other affected states to expedite a declaration of emergency, which would enable FEMA to act.
Your racism is showing. Your "nicknames" for the president are neither original or clever (but then who can outdo BUSH? You don't even have to try with that one. ) And it's reflecting on you. Not well, either.
Obama has already addressed all three disasters and promised FEMA aid. He'll visit when the storms have passed. No one wants to put the President in danger, which is why Bush and Cheney went into hiding (while Giuliani walked around downtown in short sleeves and no mask) after 9/11. Idiot. Turn on something other than FOX News. For your own sake. I know you can't fix stupid, but one can at least try.
One person was known to have died in hard-hit Henryville, a town of about 2,000 near Louisville, Ky., and the birthplace of Kentucky Fried Chicken founder Col. Harland Sanders.
The ghosts of all those chickens have finally came home to roost in red and white snow, for
a "fingerrr-likkn'! I think,- "GOD"- is mad at everyone!
I don't know, expecting the President to be right there injecting himself into the the situation is just an attempt to hold him to the same standard as GWB somehow failed to meet by doing his (in)famous "flyby".
He's right to lay back until things stabilize; so was George. FEMA was better run under Clinton, though, even than it is now, under Bull's buddy James Lee Witt. It's fine to put your buddy over FEMA, provided that he knows what the h*ll he is doing; Witt showed that he did.
What is different in the this case of mass destruction and deaths? Why haven't we heard the same complaints like we did from the ingrates in New Orleans?
Will God clean up the messes that God made?
Yes, but only over the course of geologic time...
What an ignorant question.
It was Satan attacking America. Who else is he gonna attack? Rick Santorum
At this year's G1 Summit, God adamantly vetoed the proposed acceptance of Tornado Protection Money from the MidWest.
Thus...
It's all Obamas fault. Going GREEN and messing with Mother Nature
your just an idiot ! stick to cartoons man !
I knew it!
Santorum/Palin '12
I wonder how many of those people in the Midwest and South were Obama Haters
Just checking
What do all of these mindless political comments have to do with the pain and suffering these people are experiencing. You people make me embarrassed to be an American. No wonder the rest of the world look down their noses at the US.
What the hell does weather have to do with political views? Some of you people ( and I use the term loosely) need to grow a brain and a heart.
why dont you just shut your mouth...... this is NO TIME to be joking around... i was RIGHT THERE and it was NOT fun! People have DIED and your making JOKES about it being obamas fault!!! obama is a kind man and would NEVER EVER wish for this to happen to ANYBODY... i dont care what political affiliation you have, this is just immature..... and you never know, maybe your ugly ass face caused the tornados... *dumbass*
#childish
Justina, I don't hate obama, but I sure don't think of him as an effective leader. He is more like an inexperienced senator who considers on the job potus training across the board as a virtue.
Regardless, condolances to those losing loved ones these past few days.
my God...what a disaster ! I am not a very religious person...but I will pray for them all !
I live in Florida...hurricanes can be deadly too...but at least we get a warning 3-4 days in advance that they are coming...so we can prepare or leave.
This is just horrible !!!
BUILDING CODES MUST BE RE EVALUATED
God has nothing to do with it Stevo14, grow up and get a grip on your over-emotional responses. Instead of praying, why don't you come down to one of these towns and help out. Your prayers are not going to do a darn thing, but make you and a millions other fools like you feel better about yourselves.
Pray if it makes you feel better. Donate money, goods, and volunteer work if you want the storm victims to feel better.
@Amy Miller !
Go fuc* yourself you nast hairy vagina ! I can pray if I want, donate money if I want..spit in ur ugly fuc*ing face if I want...
stupid whore ! have a nice day !
and next time u post...get your brothers dick out of ur ass...might help u think better before u open ur pie hole...its bitches like u that deserve being smacked around...just a little!
hows thaqt for an over-emtional responce...u vagina !
what building code would that be that stands up to 300 MPH winds?
logic would tell you that a concrete/cinder block construction home with a "safe room" made of concrete vs 2x4 and vinyl siding would be safer ...
hope that helps
They call that a road Robin.
Not everyone can afford that. The tornados are going to hit and tear down everything in their path. Smaller communities need a designated public place for people without proper basement shelter to go to. I think most of them do have that, it is just the timing factor. These tornados came fast and furious.
Believe it or not, dome housing might be the answer. They have done some that have stood up to hurricanes, just losing the front porch. The wind flows around them.
Obviously, that's not practicable for everyone, but if I was affected (and some day I might be), I'd certainly look at how I rebuilt, with a goodly portion of the home underground WITH a safe room and steel and concrete instead of wood. I might even consider a dome!
I also think that mobile homes should be seriously looked at ... someone mentioned that the big tornadoes don't discriminate, but the smaller ones certainly wipe those out. And there are many, many smaller storms that do not make the news (or not nationally) but create a huge amount of damage. I realize that "mobile homes" might be "affordable living", but how affordable are they if they keep getting blown away?
Obviously we can't change what people have now, but we can certainly mandate how they rebuild.
@Beth, your right, the building codes do need to be redefined. But the new codes would only be effective for new or replacement construction. As for people that can only afford mobile homes, for their own protection they should have a storm shelter that they can get into if the need arises. If we keep having these terrible storms like this wiping out entire towns, we might not need to worry about owning our own homes because no one will be able to afford the insurance on a home in the eastern 1/2 of the US. I have not seen how much my premium is going to be for this year, but im sure it will go up. The insurance co's have to make up for their losses as well.
Stevo - Yes, risk can be minimized, but from looking at the picture of the bus parked inside the building I am thinking that even a cinder block wall could take a bad hit.
I have worked commercial and industrial construction for years. When severe weather was about to strike, going below ground level was always preferable.
Stevo thats Tornados!!! huge difference between them and hurricanes . You still can be saved when Hurricane hits , but not Tornados.
Building codes, what building codes? That is like talking apples and watermelons. Hurricane are one thing,and your can prepare for them, but tornadoes are another animal. I have lived through both, and I will take a hurricane any day. These F4 and F5 are a devil to be feared. You can have all the straps and bolts you want in a house and the storm will pick up the whole thing and make matchsticks from it. safe rooms in below ground is the only way to survive and that should be on the list of any one living in what is call Tornado Alley when they build. My son lives in West Texas and when he built , he had a safe room below ground build right by his kitchen door. Neighbors laughed at him , but guess who's house had a bunch of kids send over during the nighttime when a tornado came real close to them.
First of all my condolences to all the victims involved. I agree with you to a certain degree about the building codes & the building structures to a certain extent, but there is something we can do about it. The way we build homes in the regions affected and homes in other parts of the country that get extreme weather storms like tornadoes & hurricanes need to be updated. What I mean is we can no longer build these old style ranch homes that are susceptible to these storms. We are throwing away money every time we rebuild new homes with the same type of structures going up. Time to update how homes are built. Circular homes are ideal homes for extreme weather. The aerodynamic shape makes the wind curve around the structure instead of the wind hitting a flat square surface head on at maxium speeds. These dome homes have been around for some time now. It's time we start building these structures to save lives. Look up Jacque Fresco of The Venus Project to see his home designs of the future. This can be reality today if wanted it too.
High Time to consider building houses more than several feet UNDERGROUND.
Stricter building codes are more likely to drive up the cost of housing than protect against a Tornado, but a required storm cellar may help to save more lives.
Blueberry, the shape of a structure protects little against a Tornado which has a lifting action like a vacuum.
Aid to people after disasters is something none of us should mind paying taxes for. It's senseless wars I can do without.
People talk a lot about shelters and I totally agree. I live in AL and I don't think some understand that those without shelters would love to have them, but can't afford them. They make ones to bury that are a few thousand, but many here just don't have a few thousand to spend on anything, much less a shelter. I don't consider myself poor, but I can't afford to get one and we have no basement. We have to crouch in a closet that frankly wouldn't help much at all if a stronger one hit and it's a scary thought. We ran to it yesterday when the hail got to 1.25 inch size and we knew tornadoes were around, and sure enough one hit the towns right past us out of that storm.
So I think it's tempting to say just build stronger, but insurance only provides so much funding and most people buy existing homes that might not have basements or shelters, and it's temping to assume that everyone should be just able to get shelters, but my neighbors don't have one either and it isn't as simple as you think to just go get one and get it installed. Scary stuff for sure.
What has President Obama done for America, here is a list. OBAMA , 1ST PRESIDENT to put the United States 6 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT IN 3 YEARS AND 5 MONTHS , MORE DEBT THAN EVERY PRESIDENT FROM OUR 1ST PRES. “GEORGE WASHING TON THROUGH GEORGE BUSH JR. COMBINED. OBAMA , 1ST PRESIDENT to hire an Energy Czar, Steven Chu, who said in a 2008 Wall Street Journal article he would like to see GAS PRICES at EUROPE’S Level of $9 to $10 DOLLARS a Gallon, We are now at $5 to $6 Dollars a gallon. Watch your Money, wallets and our Economy go down the TOILET. Does Obama Care . NOOOOOOO! OBAMA, 1st PRESIDENT who wants to take the money out of the WORKING Man’s POCKET, who work and earn their money, and give it to LAZY BUMS who want everything for FREE, No working people means the ECONOMY WILL DIE. They call this socialism/communism. OBAMA, 1st PRESIDENT who supported a GREEN Company called “SOLENDRA” that took you , the American TAX PAYER for $500 MILLION DOLLARS, then the “SOLENDRA” green company went BANKRUPT, and they just paid the SOLENDRA Executives million of dollars after it went Bankrupt. Talk about capitalist CRONYISM. Obama the liar. OBAMA , 1ST PRESIDENT to put Communist, Socialist and Marxist in the White House as advisor to his regime. Van Jones, Communist, and a host of others. OBAMA, 1st PRESIDENT to try to destroy our Basic Freedoms guaranteed by the UNITED STATES CONSTITION and the BILL of RIGHTS. OBAMA, 1st PRESIDENT who Attorney General Eric Holder’s “FAST and FURIOUS” gun sting , Operation Fast and Furious, the bungled “gunwalking” scheme that let nearly 2,000 guns fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. Holder denied it, including a letter sent to Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa one year ago denying that Fast and Furious ever took place. Border Agents were killed by GUNS sold to the MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS by the Obama Government. Holder is responsible for one of the biggest failures in Justice Department history. OBAMA, 1ST PRESIDENT to put General Electric CEO Jeffery Immelt on his Economic Advisory Board for the White House. How much Taxes has General Electric Paid since Obama’s been President. ZERO! NOTHING! General Electric owns NBC (National Barrack Channel) and MSNBC (More Simply National Barrack Channel) OBAMA, 1st PRESIDENT to have government takeover of General Motors, what did we get ? The Chevy Volt , Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. And the list goes on and on and on and on. Stop the Madness defeat Obama.
Debt = 2 Cowboy Wars, Medicare Part D, and Tycoon Welfare, none of which stopped immediately come January, 2009 (thanks again, Dubya, who left us with that tidy -11T).
This fact makes it totally unnecessary to read the rest of your funky blather... movin' on...
Debt comes from spending more money than you have, and both major parties in Congress are responsible. What did they spend money on? Social services, war, libraries, museums, schools, welfare, health care, funding other nations.
The issue is not what they spent it on. The issue is spending more than you have.
Rany Stevens you're a gutless, radical racist idiot...what the hell does anything you posted have to do with Tornado's?
I'm so sick of reading political rhetoric in every forum on here, no matter what the topic. If you don't like the government, then get off your fat, lazy asses and go out and do something about it instead of sitting on your computer and banging out your senseless bull@!$%# that doesn't apply to the topic at hand. !@#$% idiots.
And if none of those things had happened, it wouldn't have had any effect on the amount of damage these tornados caused. This is not the time nor place for political rants, regardless of your opinion on the performance of the president, Congress, or anyone else.
My condolences to the families of the dead. I hope everyone can recover, financially and emotionally.
I can't even imagine how that mother is going to be feeling, thinking "if only I'd held on tighter". My thoughts and prayers and most sincere condolences to the families, perhaps my husband and I will take our 'baby moon' vacation down there to help hand out water and blankets. This snow on top of it all will make a bad situation worse, especially if there are still homes with no power.
and yet we continue to mock GOD and cry when these things happen. small and insignificant we are
No one is mocking God, it's people who set their won destiny in the things they say, think and do. Planning ahead for future situations like these, makes more sense than following those who probably care little about their situation.
God has nothing to do with it. She's 4 billion years old and has Alzheimers !
Some people draw their own conclusion as to why things happen and the truth is none of us really know why tradgedy happens. I can only suggest that people should read I Kings 19:11-12, and draw your own conclusion.
I also suggest reading "When Bad Things Happen to Good People" by Harold Kushner. It's an excellent book that was a major best-seller a number of years ago.
bob-1003, I have read the book. It is a very good book to read.
Tornadoes are terrifying sights. I once witnessed one set down less than 1/4 of a mile from us on an oklahoma highway (there was no where to take shelter). As long as I live, I will never forget that sight or the sound.
I am so glad I do not live there. Yeah, and there is no global warming. The temperature is changing all over the world. More natural disasters in the last few years, worldwide. People wake up before it is too late.
The temperature is changing because that is what the Earth does. It goes through cyclical climate changes. Of course, you and your ilk blowing hot air from your bongs is not helping matters much.
Gotta love these doom and gloom global warming theorists. If they would only open their eyes to the scientific evidence they would know this is not global warming caused by human activity. This is the very end of the ice age. I suppose the global warming folks just cant accept that there are the remains of warm climate animals and plants underneath the snow and ice in the far northern and southern hemispheres because at one time they were warm climates. But if they wanna spend their money on the next global warming theory book or movie by Al Gore, i cant stop them. I can only sit back and watch ole Al laugh at them for spending their money on his false information and making him even richer.
The science is quite clear that we are driving much of the current global warming, and this will probably increase the severity of storms, but we are not so sure about tornadoes. More energy in the system might increase their likelihood, but their dynamics are too chaotic to predict.
Science says global warming. Rush limbaugh says no and also that tobacco is harmless along with asbestos and all chemicals. You pick side
Gotta love these doom and gloom global warming theorists. If they would only open their eyes to the scientific evidence they would know this is not global warming caused by human activity. This is the very end of the ice age.
Would you mind posting some evidence of this? I have NEVER read such things before. Please! You are against hundreds of scientis around the world that are saying that global warming is real. You MUST enlight us with your wisdom.
IRESPOND,
All of my nearly 69 years I have read and heard scientist say Earth is still coming out of the last Ice Age that started receding about 16 million years ago, so there may be some merit to what Anywho says.
Also, evidence from ice core samples recently recovered by scientist show there have been some very severe climate changes in earths' history, and, while man may be contributing to global warming, there is no evidence he is a major cause of it.
To - IRESPOND-2315268
Ok, i hope they will let me post some links here, if they dont, do an internet search for "eocene period" and or "eocene optimum" you will find a large number of web pages that scientifically explain and support that the earth has had even warmer climates than we currently have right now. With out any human activity to blame the warming on. Maybe i chose the words in my first post porly. Yes there is global warming, there is no questioning that. But how much of it is to blame on human activity, should be the real question??
93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum
These Republican politicians are going to ask for federal help. I hope they do NOT get it. Republicans stand for less Federal government than they need to stand firm in NOT even asking the federal government for help. Because one way or another they are going to blame Obama for the tornadoes because this is God's punishment for the the alleged devil's work of Obama.
I bet Daniels will be asking. If they need it, they should. And then they might start looking at their cost-cutting agenda and trying to find some sort of compromise to get this country rolling.
I am so tired of reading this assinine political rhetoric in every forum, no matter what the topic. If you don't like your govt., then get off of your lazy ass and go out and do something about it instead of sitting on here and banging out your idiotic bullchit where it doesn't apply. Morons.
Voice of libery? Really? You hope these people in need don't get help because of their governor's political views? You need to take a step back and reconsider your statement
When Tenneessee (Republican) was flooded, no one cried out for government help and very little was offered, we picked up ourselves and went to work. Now we find that the little FEMA did to help had to be repaid and they have sued and garnisheed paychecks of the poor. Now they have gotten caught and are stopping the garnishments and suits! When Katrina hit, you didn't see Alabama or Mississippi crying for governmental help, they too picked themselves up and went to work. Don't throw stones where they are not deserved. You need to be here to know and obviously you are not.
Oh Dianne they did ask and get help, believe me they begged, behind the scenes. The govenors begged and they will beg again.
Remember how the Guldf States berated Obama and the feds on the BP spill?
Of course, comparing the BP spill to a natural disaster like a series of tornados makes a LOT of sense, huh? I'm sure "Obama and the feds" had a lot to do with the oversight of the formation of these tormados, and were responsible for the design and inspection of weather conditions, huh?
In fact, rumor has it that the Obama Administration had given God an environmental award only three weeks prior for His improved envrionmental practices since they came to power.
These are PEOPLE in need of assistance, not republicans, democrats or independents. What is with all of this political crap when ANYTHING happens in this world? I do NOT recall seeing ANY OF THIS NONSENSE before President Obama. He was barely in office a week and all this CRAP STARTED! SICK OF IT. I'm starting to HATE PEOPLE!
The hate is out of control these days. People are PEOPLE!
No, no one ever tried to make a disaster a political issue while GWB was President, no, not at all. Hey, wait ...
I can only offer my condolences to all the families that have lost loved ones and pray that God will comfort them now in their time of need.
Do more than that! Once you say "Amen," write out a check. If you wish, go for the Red Cross. If you want to make sure that God is involved, make it to Southern Baptist Disaster Relief, Churches of Christ Disaster Relief, Lutheran Aid, or something like that -- think that they all have websites that you can donate through as well. If you have the time and the ability, come on down and volunteer. In WWII, in response to a comment by a soldier to the chaplain that he was praying while they were under attack, the chaplain responded "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition," which soon became the title of a popular song. So praise the Lord all you wish to. Then, rather than saying "Be ye warmed and filled," (Jas. 2:16), show your faith by your works (2:18).
Looks like obama has a mini Katrina on his watch, no word from him yet?,let's see how he handles this.
He responded right away after the storms on the 29th.. you must be thinking of Bush. Oh yeah, he's the one that didn't respond to the Hurricane Katrina storm. Remember him? The one that got our country in HUGE debt with 2 wars + plus lowering taxes for all (including those that were already very wealthy) The one that walked out on all his debt and gave it to the next guy.. Yeah.. the guy that had to spend money to get the economy back on it's feet. These times do not call for FIGHTING and NAME CALLING.. but helping each other. Although, if you look at the history, people.. it's almost always the Democrats doing the helping.. and the Republicans reaping the rewards.
Katrina? Katrina? This is nothing like Katrina.. Trying to compare a bunch of tornadoes to a hurricane has to be the dumbest thing I have read today.
Not so dumb Steve ... the dollar damage will be considerably more and a many more people were under warnings from that "bunch of tornadoes" than Katrina.
Not to downplay Katrina, but this certainly ranks up there with it ... especially for all those people who lived in towns that no longer exist.
Lets all stop making it so hard to help our own people in need and stop voting Republican shall we?
For all those who watched their homes and loved ones disappear before their eyes, this was Katrina +. The size of the disaster matters little to those caught up in it......My heart goes out to all those affected by this horrific disaster
really?? a mini Katrina? you compare this frequent occurrence, that kills a few people, also frequently during Bush admin...to Katrina..a huge disaster w/ thousands dead and NO response from the incompetent admin called the BUSH/CHENEY regime?? LOL fool!! putz!!
Well Brian, you have proven you can name call. But what else? Nothing.
I will tell you where the federal aid will be coming from: No more food stamps for the poor and the poor children, the middle class government workers, and the middle class. The rich people will NOT pay for this. Because that would be class warfare. So Republicans will most likely add billions if not trillions to the deficit by demanding federal aid and then they will blame Obama for increasing the deficit. If people are smart, which is NOT possible in the country, they use the tax cuts for the rich, who never created any additional jobs, to help rebuilding these towns. And the Middle class en the lower class will have to pay for it by an increase of their taxes and/or an uncrease in their health care premiums, which is the same as an increase in taxes. Wake up and see the REAL "face" of what the Republicans are. Republicans in those states suck it up and don't even dare to ask for federal help while people are starving.
People are dead and you want to talk about Republicans vs Democrats?
In most of these communities, people will bond together and do what needs to be done. They won't be waiting around for the federal government to show up to fix everything for them like in New Orleans. The federal disaster funds will flow - like they always do - and that will help. But, by the time those funds arrive, these people will be well on their way to recovery. That's the way most of America works - people helping themselves - and each other - not waiting around for someone to take care of them.
I do not usually comment, I normally just read and laugh at most of the comments. I just had to respond to your statement. It has to be one of the most ridiculous comments I have seen today. I really have no idea how you arrived at your viewpoint but I truly feel sorry for you.
Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your a fool then to open it and remove all doubt.
steve people are dead because of climate change , the very thing that people who live and die by prayer say it is not happening - you can lie , be hypocritical ,deny the facts but sorry when you are wrong and reality punches you in the face all im doing is the play by play - the facts - republican policies have cause this disaster and they still will not budge - so too bad i think they are to blame and im saying it
Right said Fred!
Until there is proof that the climate would not have changed on its own (as it has in cycles since the beginning of time), I can't see how any political party can be blamed for its occurrence. Did the Ice Age result from the misdeeds of the Republicans, or Democrats? I forget...
"Voice of Liberty" where do you come up with this garbage??!!! You have it exactly backward but this is NOT the time for political BS. Let's just pull together and help these people. Before this long in NO they were sitting on their hind ends whining nobody was doing anything 'for' them. Like in Joplin, these people with their neighbors and families will just pick up the mess and get to rebuilding. No whining, no pleading for hand-outs... just do it the old fashioned way... WORK FOR IT. Now... take your political crap and go somewhere else. Thanks.
SHUT UP WITH YOUR Republican, Democrat CRAP! (and I am NOT a Democrat OR a Republican, before you say it!!! I am a HUMAN BEING!)
Why don't you try DOING SOMETHING for others in need once in your life!
Actually, WakeUpAmerica, for the most part, you are right on with this comment. I remember watching the news coverage of Katrina and they showed a guy in his 30's, very physically fit, lying on a cot complaining because the Super Dome was filled with trash and the government had not sent anyone to clean it up. Meanwhile, in a neighboring city and state, Gulfport, MS area, folks were out clearing streets and helping their neighbors. Oh, and I don't remember reading or seeing that any of the folks in this current disaster has taken pot-shots at their rescuers.
had enough - yeah i have had enough - of simple people comparing what is happening now to an ice age which happened thousands of years ago and took thousands of years to complete . big difference genius - man was not around to have any affect - we now pollute and contaminate and spew gases and chemicals into the ego system - which is why this event is different and happening much , much, much , much faster - so your leaving out one major fact in your comparison - US
Really folks? I'm talking to a friend who lost damn near everything in this storm, and you people are debating politics and posting religion-based attacks?
Think we can just set aside rhetoric and be human beings and not talking heads for one day?
...I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
Thumbs up Brony..
People want to argue about politics and religion instead of focusing on something other than themselves.
so the fact that scientist have been warning us that this would be the result of climate change for years now should be overlooked ............. because its actually happening... yeah ok that is exactly the type of thinking that got us here ,....... put your head back in the sand or bow our heads in prayer is still the response .............. excuse me but kinda not learning from our mistakes . so ill post what i want if its ok with you guys , stay cool
so sorry, I agree. I'm starting to hate people reading newsvine. I think i should stay away from where for a while and send some supplies to people that need help in these times. I am a couponer and have been collecting things for 2 months now. It's not much but I will find out who/where to send what I have...every little bit helps. I have already send some things here in MO where I live.
I live in KY and went through this yesterday. Henryville and Marysville Indiana are appox 30miles from me. I am lucky and was spared Again. But many towns around my area severely damaged or... just aren't there anymore. What a horrible day i will never forget. :(
There isn't any room for politics at this time.
7.62x39mm. It does NOT matter what Obama does, they will blame him for which ever way he choses. And btw the BP disaster was Obama's Katrina disaster. Maybe the filthy rich should help out instead of using the Middle and lower class tax money. But, let's keep giving tax cuts to the rich, I have never seen any jobs created with these tax cuts, and screw the Middle and lower class. Talk about class warfare.
Amy I did go and help in one of these areas.
Look for more intense storms and destruction in the years to come. If you don't have a basement, try to dig or find a underground shelter, no building can stand up to what is coming in the years ahead.
Absolutely, I am with Joe. First constructive comment I have seen and this is what we all should be talking about, how to build more underground and safety shelters for each other with what ever we can get our hands on in materials cheap so everyone can have a shelter!!! This is an American problem folks, a life or death situation which requires all hands on deck! Go to a political topic to argue policy. Otherwise care a little about these folks and their hardship in this situation now.
I just watched a news story on a couple who took an old junkyard school bus and put it underground, remodeled the insides and had a couple vents for air supply rising about two feet above ground. Bet they were glad to have done that if they were anywhere around the affected areas yesterday! It may not be so easy as some basements flood and need sump pumps and proper drainage to stay dry if a water table is high but there are ways of creating storm shelters that are water tight. You can google up some on the youtube and they take you right through it all and there are those tornado balls too that can just be buried in your yard.
As for homes, a semi sunken dome home would probably give the best chance of weathering high circling winds on a flat plain but anything goes over a certain point with tornadic force it seems. The cave and mound dwellers obviously built for this reason in ancient times and tepee's just got blown away. As we can see, brick structures are very dangerous in tornadoes. Much to improve, lets roll up the sleeves and get to work so it does not happen again. Mobile homes and weakly built manufactured square built homes without basements or storm cellars should be a thing of the past in these areas. To rebuild in the same old way is insane as we see from the people who have gotten hit twice now. That is just mind boggling and all this loss of life the last few years, you know something is up... Oh well, this is so sad for these families, and my sincere condolences to those who have suffered pain and loss. If these Americans have to live with this, let us build /rebuild for us/them appropriately.
BronyLaw. I am just showing the same behavior the Republicans are using. They used the shooting in Arizona on Rep Giffords for their Republican political agenda by blaming Obama for this shooting. And that is NOT the only example I can give you. Poor people, even poor children, die everyday because the Republicans and the rich will not pay for their food and health. But let's give tax cuts to the rich. What is wrong with that picture.
Hey piece of garbage,
give one example of someone starving or dieing because of republican policies.
Your drama is pathetic
Liberty;
And still you spout absolute unfounded nonsense. Clearly, you are so pathetically brainwashed you can't help but sound like a complete idiot. You sound like a Russian peasant before the revolution. So angry, so misinformed, so willing to follow blindly those who would take all your freedoms and "liberty", for trinkets and empty promises. Yours is not the voice of liberty, rather, it is the voice of socialism, bordering on communism. Pity your indoctrination prevents you from seeing or hearing it.
MW-Joe. And still people deny global warming. Drill baby drill.
Yes that would be very smart, since we need oil.
And of course for drama you want to say "global warming", what happened to climate change? and didn't the world warm numerous times without the presence of humans? You know all those previous ice ages that ended. You have no evidence that this wouldn't be happening regardless of humans, in other words cyclical climate change
Voice of Liberty;
You are as stupid as those who say build only with brick, stone and concrete. Considering St. JOhn's hospital in Joplin was a five story steel reenforced concrete structure that was ripped apart by the EF-5 tornado of May, 2011. As well as entire neighborhoods of stone and brick homes. Not stone faced or brick faced, these had wall of double brick and stone about 12 inches thick and all that was left were the basements.
The fossil record contains many records of "global warming" and "global cooling" absent the presence of man. The last ice age ended only 25,000 years ago. Extremes in climate are the norm for planet earth, we have existed in a temperate lull between extremes. Do some REAL research instead of relying on talking heads, voo-doo scientists and political hacks with an agenda. Or are you too stupid to see when your being sold a bill of goods to reach a preconceived end? Your "green" alternatives are far short of supplying current energy requirements and far more expensive. Keep working on the technology yes, but to throw the "global warming" thing out there cart blanch is moronic. Yet, fully expected coming from the Brainwashed Brahmin of the world.
VOL your soapbox is really uncalled for here. you are making an ass of yourself...please stop
Nicodemus,
Its time you should be doing some REAL research and believe facts not nonsense.
The changes we see now are much more than the warming cooling cycles thus far.
Millions of years of atmospheric CO-2 go bound in fossile fuels, leading to a cooling of the earth atmosphere. We are now burning this up and releasing it back into the atmosphere..
Its time for humanity to acknowledge facts and not stick their heads in the sand. Get real.
This is such a tragedy my heart goes out to the people in In, Ky and all areas affected. These pictures were what my hometown looked like 5 yrs ago. We suffered deaths our high school was destroyed with all the students inside, whole neighborhoods were wiped out and our downtown was ravaged. Our President George W Bush was in our town a few days later with a promise to our town and our students we would have helped rebuilding our town , our schools and our lives and we did. He met in a church next to the school that with all the carnage around was not harmed with the parents and families of those lost, no security are cameras allowed inside. He cried and prayed for all lost and give his full attention to those hurting most. Our town is back, the rebuild long but worth the results. My message to those who have gone through this is there is a future, there is a light and there are people some of who you would never guess to show up will with big hearts, and strong wills to help you. God is watching and he is also holding the ones you lost.
You mean a Republican actually helped someone? I was led to believe only Democrats have that capability. Let's all remember that we are all people hopefully with empathy and compassion. Bush went there and saw and felt the pain in person. Tornadoes are unique in that you only have minutes, not days to do what little you can to protect yourself. There is only so much space Underground. There is only so much money. Life is a very big risk. Poor and rich often are treated the same by nature. The rebuilding is not the same. The person and family in the trailer somehow is of less value and has less resources to resume their lives. They don't recover from this. My heart aches for all involved. I have sat on my porch and even while fishing at a pond and watched tornadoes go through within a 1/4 mile of home. I have had my dog kennel rapped around an electrical pole not 50 ft from my house. My house was left intact. It is terrifying and exhilarating at the same time. NO rhyme no reason. Nature really does have the upper hand of us all. Good times does not reflect who we are, it is the bad times.
Yeah, if you live in the U.S., GWB was your president 5 years ago...and?
This has nothing to do with politics!
Not implying it had anything to do with politics just stating that help is comes in all forms and everything is not done for show. In 1973 I lived in a nice brick home in a nice neighborhood when a tornado hit. I had my 9mo old child in a hall closet when I came out all we had left was a 1/2 living room and bedroom wall, a few years later one hit and ripped our front porch off and crushed my car, still and later living in another state one hit across the lagoon from our beach home we were not hit directly but we did have new patio furniture in our pool at the bottom. Each one was at a different area. My message to the earlier was have faith believe in God had nothing to do with political parties just pointing out not to give up on getting assistance. Your wrong about people in trailers not getting help there are programs to help the most needy first. Politics have no place to be argued these people need assurance and reassurance they will be help not negative thoughts they have to face it alone.
Is there a glitch on the site? I see an article about tornadoes, but almost all of the comments are about the government and Obama.
God isn't making the messes but He is allowing them to happen because we have turned from Him. Just as Ann Lotz has said in the past, (paraphrasing) these horrific acts (tornadoes, 9/11, tsunamis, Joplin, MO, etc.) are wake-up calls for us to return to having a relationship with Jesus Christ. Yes, there will be many who will come together as God has asked us to do and many of those would not think twice about helping no matter what the situation. But since we have kicked him out of our schools, out of our daily life, and simply forget about Him in our private life, He is respecting our acts of free-will and stepping back. Healing will happen and God will not discriminate and heal only those who believe in Him because He will use each person's situation to point the way back to Him. May God Bless all those who died, prayers for peace and strength for those left behind, prayers for those who are searching and rescuing, and prayers that many people will recognize that it is His hands restoring and healing.
Try reading a different book.
Wow Dianna, god sounds like a real A-hole!!
Oh my G...wd.
Diane, keep on believing and you'll end up nowhere.
Use your brains and get some sense into yourself.
Reality is here.
Then why does God keep picking on the Bible Belt? Yours is a logical fallacy. Put the Bible down and learn about the scientific reasons behind tornadoes.
So, Dianna, back in the Middle Ages was the Black Death a wake-up call from God to quit letting a corrupt and reactionary church hierarchy quit running everything and start thinking for themselves for a change?
So when God attacked the Northeast with Hurricane Irene, that didn't count? How much scientific knowledge do you have? Disasters fall upon everybody. The reason is because we live in a fallen world. Too many atheists think that if they become Christians then they will never have to feel pain again. And when that does not happen, they assume that it is because there is no God. God never promised a world without pain. But he did promise that the unjust will not be allowed to get away with it forever. Christians know this life will one day come to an end. That is why the bible says " The just shall live by faith". (Romans 1:17)
i don't get why God always comes up...God if there is one does not sit up in heaven and send this down on this country...i'm sure he has better things to do...but if he is the cause of all this then he better send a check to pay to rebuild...because i'm sure the GOP will not be that easy to hand out more tax payer money without a offset...
dianna - save the preaching , it is just so old and boring , you would think even the insane would get tired of listening to their own crap , just give it a rest , yeah ok you write your sappy post your going to heaven and im not , whoop d' freakin do , give it a rest - ...... you just sound so silly
o and unhappy -just caught your act -"christians know this life will end " is that how it works and me being an atheist think im going to live forever - you just dont know or care how stupid you guys sound , it is priceless .......... and i believe the main reason you attached yourself to a god is your fear of what happens when this life ends , if you dont have that crutch , you could not deal with this life - thats sad. delusional and sad , grow up and face reality for god's sakes (pun- just in case you also have no sense of humor)
this is rush limbaugh glen beck territory...95% racist. can't say that i care what happens to bigots...sorry. i could not move into any of these areas as a black man, they would burn my house down. all of them will vote against OBAMA just because he's black. you shall reap what you sow!!!! tell me i'm wrong.
You mother@!$%#er. How dare you post anything like this in the wake of the tragedy. this is just a few mile north of me. we are NOT bigots down here. we dont care what color you are. its who you are that matters and you're damn straight you wouldn't be able to move here because we would burn your house down for saying that we reep what we sow and that this stuff deserve to happen to a single person. it has nothing to do with you being black you could just as easily be white for all i know or even care and we'd do that just the same for you saying that. the girl on the video looking for her family was a friend of mine. and it just sickens me to hear people that are low lifes like you say anything like this. weather you care or not she found her family and everyone is fine. We still can't get a hold of sevral of my friends. I feel bad for all the good people that were affected by this because it's people like you that deserve this to happen to. and why does it freakin matter how a person vote. that doesnt matter to us down here. if someones in need or hurt or any thing we help them. If you say we are racist and this deserved to happen to us you better look at what doctor mlk jr. said a little better because he was about equal right for everyone. and he said "judge me not by the color of my skin but by the content of my character" that is what i believe and that's why you are scum that should never move here because red, yellow, black or white i don't care a damn bit, you have very little character.
I am from Kentucky and I can say that you are dead wrong. No one in my family likes Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck. Also, I have never heard of a house being burnt down in my city just because the owner is of a different race. There was a tragedy here and many people lost their lives. How can so many people say not to help them or that they deserved it? There is no compassion in the country anymore and I think that fact outweighs all of the political issues. I was raised to help someone in need and never to enjoy the suffering of others. Obviously other people were not raised the same way.
That is the one good thing that comes with a tragedy like this. People will come together and work, work, work to help each other out. They will empty their pockets, set up temporary shelters, all at the local level. It is amazing how small towns band together in crisis. That is when true character comes shining through.
@balcktaliban;
Your screen name kinda says it all, doesn't it? So, your some black muslim extremeist racist, congratulations. I bet you Beat your wife and kids to show how superior you are. A lot of people voted against Obama because of his lack of experience and empty promises. Typical of the political breed. I had nothing to do with race. But, to welfare dependent morons like you it's all about race. I see the indoctrination stuck real good with you. SO just to piss you off, I'll say this, to all of you who voted for Obama in 08 to prove you weren't a racist, do the country a favor and vote for someone else in 12 to prove your not an idiot.
You're probably right -alot of racist people come from areas like these and if you're black and moved there you probably would get some racist crap happen to you.
lets be honest if this happened in black areas people would be saying some really cruel racist $h!t. So sorry if they were nice people but if they were racists -who cares!
You're wrong. You should be ashamed. What about all the black people here that lost their lives and/or homes. Seems YOU are the racist bigot.
Maybe it's not your color that makes people treat you badly (in your opinion). Maybe it's your negative, bitter personality. Have you tried treating others as YOU want to be treated, or do you assume everyone is a jerk and cop an attitude right away? Personally, I don't care what color people are. If they treat me well, I'll treat them well. If they treat me like cr*p I will still treat them well, and pray for them. But I won't go out of my way to hang around with them or help them out.
Blacktaliban, Why are out of your cage? Run out of bananas?
That's why you saw that picture (or perhaps you didn't) of the lady (who happened to be black) whose house was destroyed, and two of her neighbors (who happened to be white) were helping her go through the debris, looking for pieces of her life. You know nothing.
OK here goes...you're wrong. 43% of whites voted FOR Obama; 98% of blacks voted AGAINST McCain. Who exactly are the racists again???
Annie, B.T. knows less than nothing, because he "knows" something that isn't even true. Can we take up and help get him a one-way ticket to Afghanistan so he can really live up to his name? I'm good for the first twenty right after I finish helping contribute to the disaster relief. There are several virulent racists on Newsvine, and a few of them are black.
@Sheila and all...
Yes...and from the weather report and this cold front moving in we had better get everyone accounted for, rescued from under that rubble, and to warm shelters fast. Snow is on the way, is that punishment or what!!!??? sheesh! Hope we have a lot of good strong men on board out there in Ky and Indiana tonight, its cold out there. All the best to those caring rescue workers and victims in the area tonight from your neighbors up here in NE Ohio.
YOU'RE WRONG!
And I'm not white OR a republican OR a democrat.
why does these things always have to get so personal...i think u guys been listen to the GOP line up to much and all their nastiness...storms and earthquakes have been going on since the world was formed...and they will keep happening...this is all part of life...we all are going to die...some sooner than later...you been brain washed to think that anytime something bad happens it's God getting back at someone...wouldn't u think that if it was Washington DC pissing off God that he wouldn't just strike it down...no I'm God so I'm gonna go 1,000 miles over here and kill a 20 month old baby and hey let me kill few more kids to young to have done anything wrong...and while at it I'll wrap out some schools and churches...i guess the churches that were hit was praying to the wrong God...