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LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A blonde, blue-eyed 2-year-old girl found alive in a field after tornadoes swept through southern Indiana is the sole survivor of her immediate family, a hospital official said Saturday.
Angel Babcock
The child -- initially unidentified -- was taken to a hospital in Salem before being airlifted to Kosair Children’s Hospital in Louisville, Ky.
Cis Gruebbel, a spokeswoman for Kosair Children's Hospital in Louisville, Ky., said the girl's mother, father, 2-month-old sister and 3-year-old brother all died Friday. Gruebbel says the toddler is in critical condition.
NBC News affiliate WAVE reported identified the toddler as Angel Babcock, and her dead parents were 21-year-old Joseph Babcock and 20-year-old Moriah Brough. Angel's 3-year-old brother, Jaydon, and 7-week-old sister, Kendall, also perished in the twister, WAVE reported.
Gruebbel could not confirm the identity.
The storms have claimed the lives of at least 37 people so far in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Alabama and Georgia.
Melissa Richardson, a spokeswoman for the hospital in Salem, Ind. where the child was first taken, said the child's family is from New Pekin, Ind., and she was found near her home.
Twister survivors: 'Crash, bang, break' at school
In Friday's massive tornado outbreak, four people were killed in Washington County, Ind., where New Pekin is located, authorities said.
This article includes reporting by msnbc.com staff and The Associated Press.
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If you believe in God, now is a good time to exercise your faith and pray. If your an atheist, a get well soon will do !
The last big one that went through here carried a baby about a quarter of a mile. Our local baby only got some scratches.
They're tough, I hope this one pulls through.
I wonder if the baby's name might be Dorothy. Being carried away by a tornado reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. In a movie, though, being swept away by a tornado causes no harm. Too bad it isn't that way in real life! I hope this baby survives this experience and grows up to be healthy and strong. It's really a miracle!
Please, everyone, keep this baby and all of those who have endured these horrific tragedies in your thoughts and in your heart. Strength, peace, healing and love to all as you work to overcome and rebuild your lives.
Roger - what great advice - no one should be offended! I do pray for this little baby - lost so much already!
I'm with you Roger a broken heart is better than no heart at all.
I see Roger, so if everyone begs "god," he might decide to allow this child to live? I guess it's too late to ask "god" to give her her family back. It's a shame "god" allowed this to happen in the first place, perhaps it was his day off. Strong winds, which are caused when cold and warm air mix on this planet, killed this girl's family and critically injured the girl. If she does pull through it will be because modern medical science was able to save her, "god" will have nothing to do with it. "Praying" to your imaginary friend will accomplish exactly NOTHING.
Shut your pie hole, leroy! Natural atmospheric conditions caused this catastrophy, not God! If you have not figured this out, go back to school, and stop showing your ignorance here. Sounds to me like you may need a little bit of help from our "imaginary friend"
To all of you who actually have a heart and believe in the Lord, please continue to pray for this small miracle child and all those who perished and who survived.
God Bless all
I would gladly adopt that little girl, if the authorities want to get in touch with me. So sad!
The girl will be adopted by her aunts/uncles/grandparents. She's an orphan, but she still has family.
If you believe in God, now is the time to wonder why it is going to snow two days after a tornado. If you are a human being, regardless of your religious believes or convictions, you offer these people a home.
God doesn't have anything to do with it. It was a TORNADO! I'm a fatalist, I believe that before we are born, we pick and choose what to learn in this life on earth. If we believe what we profess to believe, our plan is our plan to change or travel through in this life. Sure we have choices, but its as if every time we meet a fork in the road, it is moving us back toward the plan. You can choose to move away from it, but you keep getting urged back at every fork in the road.
Leroy, my mother told me that God allows bad things to happen because it gives the rest of us a chance to be angels. God also gave us free will, minds and hands to stop tragedy from happening. You also fail to understand that the purpose of our lives. It isn't to be happy every minute. It is to grow and be better people continuously. But if you don't believe, at least be a decent human being. Stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself and what you do.
MSNBC reports she was found "near her home" while locals (see wlwt tv) are reporting that she was found 10 miles away. Is the msnbc monopoly so anti-miracle that they would even down play the miraculousness of this. Will Rach Maddox and Mister ED Show have the spirit of the winds or the Wizard of Oz saving her? As to the naysayers, God works in mysterious ways. So, if you guys want to rid U.S. politics of religion, maybe God's helping u along: is that why he wiped Marysville off the map?
It doesn't matter where she was found. I only pray that the doctors and nurses that are treating her can help her survive and that if they cannot, let her passing be as painless as possible.
Um, Roger, "exercise your faith and pray. If your an atheist" -- You realize, don't you, Roger, that your spelling is like a 3rd-grader's?
First time, you used "your" right -- second time, you used "your" instead of "You are" or "You're".
If you're not in school, go to one quickly. If you are in school, STAY THERE. Do not move until you can communicate in what I'm guessing is your native language; you know, English? It ain't just a goddamn muffin.
Your language is very offensive Warren.God gives us every breath we breathe. One of the ten commandments is: Thou shalt not take the Lord your Gods name in vain. If you choose to please don't do it where other people see it. Thank you.
journal journal - not everyone has family outside of his or her immediate family, Einstein. It's bad reporting on the part of MSNBC not to state whether the little girl has grandparents or other family who will raise her. The story is incomplete without that information.
S/he may be your god, but not mine. Not everyone on this planet believes the same as you.
Well said leroy brown!
Yeah if there was a god he wouldn't of let this happen in the first place.
@ Warren
OK Tuff guy, perhaps you should go to school and learn how to understand what you read. The story and my post had nothing to do with spelling nor grammer. I did not claim to be perfect when I posted. If my post looks like 3rd grade, I don't care. I could could give a rats azz if you like it or not. Perhaps you should worry about your own "goddamn muffin" chump.
WARREN S. LEVINE is a troll.
Roger-785733If you believe in God, now is a good time to exercise your faith and pray. If your an atheist, a get well soon will do. Post 1.0"
Fair enough, Roger. I'm sure any atheists caught in these circumstances appreciate the sentiment. I admit I find it a bit amusing one needs to exercise your faith and pray to a omniscient, omnipresent, and omni-powerful deity. After all, every event throughout time was scheduled and unchangeable once 'He' intoned the magic spell and manufactured the universe. Not only that, being omnipresent 'He' watched the life fade from the eyes of the wee ones' family.
That's the problem with omni characteristics. They are 'all or nothing'. There are ramifications and repercussions to claims and descriptors whether they be pleasant, or not.
There have been times where I've pointed out 1Thess 5:15-18 to Christians who've had some nasty medical problem (or some such) which had to be resolved, or can't be. A few of these folks acknowledged the verses and complied with them-although they admitted having trouble doing so. I'd tell them 'fair enough' and wished them well.
I don't wish ill on anyone-but then I'm not the 'Loving' "Manufacturer-of-the-Universe".
The house is designed wrong.
How? We need houses in hurricane prone areas to have a safe room that will stay together.
That is the cheapest way to make the houses safe. We have a plan of action to survive these things.
Prayers sent. It's all we can do, none of us have any real power to go and heal this child or ease the nightmares that will follow for weeks, months and even years after such a devastating event. Pray if you believe and trust in the Lord. Pray for peace and comfort and if you don't believe send warm vibes, well wishes whatever be it. Just be human and don't belittle others for choosing their way.
Wrong spot for this comment
It's the perfect place for this comment. Get your head out of the dirt and have a heart. Like roger said if you believe in god now is the time to exercise your faith, if you are an atheist a get well soon will do. If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. This little baby is more important then arguing about what should or should not be here. Just have a heart and stop nit picking.
A god had nothing to do with this. Just plain luck. If there was any kind of a god then the tornado would have never happened and injured this little girl critically.
You're right. This isn't what my GOD would do. More an act caused by man's decision to rule himself. God just allowed us that opportunity to see if we could do it. Epic fail. Now when God steps in to take care of what humans screwed up he will repair it for those that want to live according to His will. Until then mankind( or at least those who chose to) will just continue to walk blindly (their choice) into everlasting destruction.
Here we go, more debate.... I never said God or anyone had anything to do with this event. I said .......
If you believe in God, now is a good time to exercise your faith and pray.
Pray as in a speedy recovery !
Just plain luck you say ?
Luck =15c. from M.Du. luc, shortening of gheluc "happiness, good fortune," of unknown
origin. Related to M.H.G. g(e)lücke, Ger. Glück "fortune, good luck." Perhaps
first borrowed in English as a gambling term. To luck out "succeed through luck"
makes a verb of it, Amer.Eng. colloquial, first attested 1954
If this is true, then perhaps wish the little girl Good Luck and forget the debate on religion.
Prove your god exists Michela1965
We live in a fallen world. When Adam and Eve were created the world was perfect even to the point that animals must of spoke. Eve did not freak out when satan took the body of a snake and started talking to her. When Adam and Eve decided to eat of the tree which God told them specifically not to eat, everything changed. This perfect world and those who lived here, started to age and die and so did this earth. Most people, aren't aware of this or they would not say, "God wouldn't have done this or that". He didn't we did. According to scripture, God is not punishing this earth or the people in it, at least, for now. John 3:17 says, "He didn't come to condemn the world but that the world through Him, might be saved." Judgement will come but not here.
This is no time for stories from a book written by man about a belief of an entity they named God.
I pray that God will bless this little girl.
This is no time for stories from a book written by man about a belief of an entity they named God.
God is a title, not a name. In the Hebrew bible, he is named "YHWH" with the vowels intentionally omitted. Originally, only the priest class knew the true name of God, and after war upon war, the name was eventually lost. In modern times, people call "YHWH" Jehovah, Yahweh, and Allah. (And yes, "Allah" is the same God of Abraham, but with different traditions to define it after the teachings of Mohamed).
Other names for God include: Odin, Zeus, Jupiter, Krishna, Brahma, Zoroaster, Mithras, Ra, Huitzilopochtli, Kukulcan, An, Enlil, Enki, Bahamut, Tiamat, etc. etc. etc.
Thank You. I never understand why people say God was looking out for me but what about the next person. Was God not looking out for them?
Michela1965: Please leave your idiotic comments about religion out of this. The story is about a child whose entire family was killed. Have you no compassion? Do you really have to use disasters for preaching? You are sick.
prove he doesn't Bob - I refuse to call you "Master"
prove he doesnt master bob its a double edged sword and nobody can prove thier side so asking someone to prove it isnt a legit talking point evangelical athiests are just as bad as christians pushing thier beliefs on people have fun preaching master bob
I'm pretty certain Mother Nature had something to do with the tornadoes... not God.
We live in a nation that has turned its back on GOD and all you want in return is his grace and mercy.
Michela1965 you know nothing about how tornadoes are formed do you? Humans can't create them duh!!
miss lydia humans can create tornados not huge ones but they can be simulated in labs use your words properly
I get tired of hearing about how God is planning all these catastrophic weather conditions to punish us for our sins..especially the ones that are "liberal" aka humanitarian. I agree with Mark. If there is a God, it certainly would not harm little 20 month old children. Get a grip folks...weather is weather. But we don't have global warming of course.....
Cheryl, I believe in God, but I think it's silly to say that God planted a tornado to punish others for their sins. How awful!
If there is a God, it is far more likely that he wouldn't care about little 20 month old children anymore than he would about the tornado. Think about it: if God exists, and is an infinite being (as described by the attributes of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence) then the tornado would garner as much love and appreciation as the 20 month old baby-- in other words, "he" wouldn't be biased against one or the other. If you consider the presence of an everlasting soul, then the child may have even less consideration, simply because the soul would not be destroyed with the loss of the physical body. In some philosophies, the body is a cage-- so one could argue that God is setting these people free. But even that is somewhat problematic when considering that God is an infinite being without any boundaries-- omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence describe an all powerful being that is consistently and constantly present over all facets of reality-- that means that God literally is the tornado, but "he" is also, literally, the child as well. To a truly infinite being, all things are one, all of physical reality, as well as spiritual and philosophical reality, is contained within "his" being-- they are all extensions of his attributes of infinity. So the question "Why does God allow bad things to happen" is answered-- because God's attributes essentially state that he is all things, "he" must therefore encompass all that is bad as well as all that is good (which are relative terms anyway). A truly infinite being will be entirely impartial. Good and evil, peace and calamity will have equal weight before an Infinite God because these things are extensions of his being-- they exist within "his" structure as a boundless deity (omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent), or, if you prefer to think of it this way, they are incumbent attributes of the reality inherent in "his" creation.
Science has shown that all carbon (and we are carbon-based lifeforms) extent in the universe was forged in the heart of a star-- the very atoms that comprise our physical being were created in the chaos and inferno of a star's nuclear center and then expelled violently out into a dark and endless space. Over countless millenia, that same matter that was so violently birthed eventually coalesced into a living being-- a being that miraculously survived a catastrophe that her family did not. That, in itself, resonates with me. Godspeed, little girl. The chaos of our world is constant-- we are a world in flux and our lives are ruled by change.
Amen Cheryl Alvarez! like to find out years from now what kind of life she lives after all this :)
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Hoping that excellent medical care, backed by years of medical research and development, and bolstered by the young one's own hardiness, will pull this child through and restore her to her family after she incurred injuries caused by nature (mainly physics). Supernatural deities had nothing to do with what happened and certainly have nothing to do with whether she survives. It never ceases to astound me that so many insist on living in the dark ages.
If there were some benevolent loving god tinkering with everything that goes on here, what earthly sense would there be in his allowing tornadoes to take out entire towns, killing and maiming so many innocent people, then picking and sorting through the fervent prayers to decide at his leisure who would die and who would be spared? If he did exist, this would be a testiment to his sadistic and depraved nature. Those who blindly believe will turn themselves inside out trying to explain or justify their "god's" illogic. But, obviously, reasoning and logic have nothing to do with the fervent views of those entrenched in make-believe. Put your faith in the power of good meds, doctors, nurses, and other professional medical personnel. If she can be healed, it is to their credit.
I will hope & pray for this child & her family. I hope others will, also. I believe in God, even though I don't understand why he lets these things happen. Maybe it's the work of the devil. I also, believe in science, nature, physics etc. Some things just can't explained. What does it hurt to believe in God, as long as you don't believe that God controls everything? What will it hurt if you don't believe in God? I don't want to find out. If this child survives WILL depend on the nurses, doctors, & medications but, if it weren't for things like religion & love & caring, I don't believe she would.
This little girl was carried on the hands of her Guardian angel. If you don't believe...prove she wasn't! She is destined for great things! Thankyou Lord!
"...carried on the hands of her Guardian angel"? Word is she's in critical condition-- what if she dies? Then you can use that other worn out explanation about God decidiing to keep her for himself. Whatever makes you feel better and less afraid, I guess.
If "God" gets the credit for this girl surviving, then he is to blame for the deaths of her parents and siblings. It really is as simple as that. You can't "prove" any gods existence one way or the other. You also can't have it both ways. If he is responsible for the good, then he is responsible for the bad. Plain and simple.
I send my best wishes for a swift and speedy recovery to this little girl, which is every bit as powerful as prayer.
Wombat51 - How do you know she is destined for great things? And if what you say is true, then please post the link to the scientific study that followed every person that survived some near tragic event by Gods hand and went on to do Great things because of the miracle you believe happened.
With proof of that sort, I just might have to reconsider my position.
How can you know her destiny, but not know your own? Christians believe their destiny is in Gods hand and they don't know what his plan is, just that they will follow, correct?
I assumed that you are Christian by your comment.
Well, prove that a space monster didn't save her. Prove that aliens didn't do it. Prove Krishna or Guanyin or Guadalupe or Apollo didn't do it.
too soon to tell if she will survive. If she has head injuries, she may never recover fully. Too sad. Poor little girl....
Wombat(sh**crazy)~ Sounds like Guardian Angel needs to sober up before carrying any other innocent children around. A slam into a field, miles from her home? The rest of her immediate family killed? Your religion makes no sense whatsoever.
It was a tornado. Wind. Nature. Time to put the fantasy world aside.
That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard!!!!
Did the other kids not have guardian angels, Wombat? What about all of the people that died? Was that because god was calling them home? If someone murders your child should you not be mad at the killer because god was calling the child home? If someone is tortured by disease or mental illness shouldn't you kill them so they can be happy in the afterlife? Should we stop all trials for murderers? Aren't they the vehicle which god used to bring the deceased home to the lord? Is it better if god just puts them in a horrific car accident or pushes them off of a cliff or makes them die of a terrible disease? Did god like the other kids better because he brought them home and left this child mangled or does he like this child better and he decided to mangle her? I'm so confused.
Amen
I believe Santa carried her to safety, if you don't believe that Wombat prove it.
she has died, thought you would like to know
Rush Limbaugh would want a sex tape! After all, you know the taxpayers are paying for it!
Global warming certainly is changing our weather patterns. We have to stop using fossil fuels such as coal, oil, etc. otherwise we're doomed for more bad weather storms killing hundreds, if not thousands, of people across the US
It'll be millions before it's all over. We haven't seen anything yet.
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Bob, Do you know fossil fuels make up over 70 percent of our nations energy? We are just a microorganism or less responsible for our weather patterns. There are no alternative measures available now that even come close to satisfying our dependence on fossil fuels. Try as we may we have found green energy much more expensive to produce with far less energy.
We have maybe 120 years - 150 years of stats regrading temps on this planet, I really don't think that is enough to say what is a normal pattern.
That would be like a Dr making a diagnosis on a patient that is 88 yrs old by looking at their baby pictures.
I grew up in Illinois and we had several Tornadoes every year. Every Spring.........hey what ya know it's Spring
Good luck to the child and family.
I agree with you, this is Obama's fault.
I think it may too late already. We evidently are unable to exist without oil and its derivatives. They are looking for new places to drill, like the Arctic refuge. Shell is starting....as heartbreaking as it is to see our civilization destroy the planet, just so we can fly around the globe and drive our SUV's , we may have to accept the reality that disasters will not be stopped. It is a trade. We sacrifice some so the rest of us may live with the comfort we are used to.
@ RandyMalone - in the midst of all this theological debate thanks for giving me a good belly laugh!
This is a very sad story and I'm sure there are many, many more people that also have lived through hell the last few days. I will keep them in my thoughts and prayers.
And this tornato activity just goes on and on year after year. I don't know how the people can put up with it.
It's times like these that you really look around at all these mountains here in West Virginia, see your beautiful wife and kids and realize that this is Almost Heaven, West Virginia. We will be praying for those in need.
I cannot believe underground shelters are not more popular. They are still rebuilding houses with popsicles sticks that blow in heavy winds....never mind an F4 tornado. If it picks up a school bus and flies it around, nothing will stand in the way. We need underground habitats.
I was raised in Tornado Alley and everyone around including us had a storm cellar. It was common sense. It seems now that put the house up and forget common sense. Look what Greensburg, KS did after the EF5 went through. They re-built their homes with storms in mind. They added either/or storm rooms/cellars.
I just wish people could post without sacasam, hate and ignorence. Homes are replaceable, people aren't.
Bob, I've lived in "Tornado Alley" my whole life. It's just like anything else -- you get used to it. I look at folks in CA and think, "Who wants to live with earthquakes?" -- I cant believe people put up with hurricanes along the gulf and east coasts or extreme cold in the north. We get used to living with the natural dangers that occur in our areas of the country.
This is so sad to hear that this baby girl lost her mommy, daddy and siblings. I hope that the people who take her in will hold her close to their hearts, love her and support her every need. God bless you little baby girl.
probably her grand-parents who have lost so much already. Poor people. I can't imagine losing so many young people all at once. How do you survive that ?
Ick.
Keep up the pressure on the remaining advertisers.
No telling what he might say then.
OMG. What a disaster! That little girl was lifted by her angle and kept her safe. She's in good hands now and I'm sure the whole country has her in their prayers. Now they are predicting snow? This reminds me of the picture of a family cooking outside in the snow after the earthquake. I have often wondered where does all the contents of the homes go. Looking around my house, I can't imagine losing it all in the wind. Is there a structure that holds items recovered so that people can try to find something thats dear to them? It's all out there somewhere, and I'm sure it's jewerly, important documents, photos etc. I wish I could go and help them look. Bless them all.
Any way that you can look at this situation, it is heartbreaking. A few years ago, I worked clean up for mission after a tornado in Coffeyville, KS. A baby was killed from the area we worked on. It was so traumatic to the survivors and the work crews. Blessings on the little angel.
Jerry, in answer to your question; usually there is a designated location for recovered items to be brought. I have worked tornado cleanup in Kansas and Missouri and usually the only items recovered are papers and pictures. But you would be surprised how important these and any little, normally meaningless items become to those who lost everything.
especially pictures of dead loved ones. It may be all they have left.
Our house was hit in 1999 and we lost everything, and you are correct the most meaningless things then are treasures to your heart now.
To all the Christians spewing their bulls*hit on this article I can say only one thing, a quote from another commenter on another article.
"Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good at chess I am, all the pigeon's gonna do is knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like he won the game"
EXCELENT... my thoughts exactly. But let them believe what they want. I suppose it helps them feel better...it never helped me, and I was a BIG BELIEVER
I will hope that logic and reason come your way soon, honest-3480652
You need all the help you can get to un-programmed. I am sorry that your parents dragged you to Church and let you get indoctrinated in the Fantasy. I wish that they would have just explained to you that if you do bad things their are consequences.
Unfortunately, your parents went the way of "God will get you".
I will hope that logic and reason come to your thoughts soon.
Master bob - you have been wrong before, this time is no different.
Master Bob what does bulls hit mean?
Master Bob - Do you know where you are right now? I think you need a little reminder - you are commenting on an article about a toddler who was critically injured by a natural monster. A toddler whose ENTIRE FAMILY was annihilated by this cruel beast. A toddler who lives in a town completely and utterly demolished by the strongest winds found on this planet by far. And all you can do is argue "us vs them" like a smug douchebag? Who GIVES A FLYING CRAP WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN. I doubt anyone here cares about religious belief nearly as much as you do. Someone asks for prayers, and that offends you? Too bad. Get over it. A little girl's entire family DIED. And instead of having any ounce of empathy whatsoever, you turn it into a religious debate. You are the SCUM of this planet right now, you heartless piece of rotting scum. Stop caring so much about what people believe in and start acting like a CIVILIZED HUMAN BEING. For this little girl's sake.
Master Bob, thanks for passing along the quote! LMAO!
R-2368990, if you think Master Bob is the "scum of the earth" you live a very sheltered life. If you ever meet actual "scum of the earth", you better pray. It won't help, but it will give you something to take your mind off how bad real scum can be.
Bob
I'm an atheist but I don't believe this is a good time to bring it up. It shows disrespect.
I'm with Master Bob....Christians=Hypocrite's!!
machspeeddemon Maybe that was an exaggeration, but my point still stands. Look at the article you're commenting on. A little girl's entire family was killed by one of the most violent forces of nature on this planet. And all you can say is "Thanks for the unrelated quote, LMAO!" You're a piece of work. Have you no feelings? I mean, I know you're looked at as some sort of "godless heathen" by hardcore Christians, but that doesn't mean you have to start acting like one. Just because you don't believe in a god doesn't mean you have the right to have no heart whatsoever and sabotage a news article about a little girl's tragic story. I need you to get this preconceived judgmental stereotype out of your head that all Christians are idiots or stubborn or ignorant and start looking at everyone as a HUMAN BEING. Be tolerant. Isn't that what you "humanitarians" preach about? Or is it just "be tolerant to everyone who you agree with?" Because that's what it seems like.
So, if christians spew stuff on here, it's okay? But if i respond to them i'm in the wrong.
My heartfelt thoughts and prayers to the little girl. Hope you get better soon. You know you have an angel watching over you. I'm so sorry about the rest of the family, so sad..
i wonder what made the tornado so mysterious?
The little girl was the mystery - not the tornado. It said "Mystery tornado girl". They didn't know who she was or where her parents were for a while. Now, they are reporting that the rest of her family is dead. She is the only one in the family who survived.
Poor little thing! I hope she pulls through.
Prayers for the Southern Indiana families.
And let's end the "God" debate right now...
An atheist is walking through the woods one day when all of a sudden a huge bear runs out to attack him. The atheist runs as fast as he can but trips over a stump and falls to the ground. As he turns rover the bear is standing on top of him, paws stretched wide ready to maul him.
"Oh God" screams the atheist.
Suddenly time stands still, the bear freezes in the attack position and a voice out of heaven says "Yes, you called?"
"Oh" says the atheist "you really do exist! Can you make this bear go away?"
"Why should I?" says God. "You've been denying my existence all your life"
"Fair point" says the atheist. "Ok, how about this. Can you turn the bear into a Christian instead?"
"Ok" says God and time resumes once more. The bear stops in attack, bows his head meekly and says "Dear God. Thank you for what I am about to receive..."
See? Told ya so...
better syntax msnbc please.
"Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good at chess I am, all the pigeon's gonna do is knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like he won the game"
A Christian is walking through the woods one day when all of a sudden a huge bear runs out to attack him. The Christian runs as fast as he can but trips over a stump and falls to the ground. As he turns over the bear is standing on top of him, paws stretched wide ready to maul him.
"Oh God" screams the Christian.
Suddenly time stands still, the bear freezes in the attack position and a voice out of heaven(actually it's two hunters screwing with this idiot that walks into bear country without a gun) says "Yes, you called?"
"Oh" says the Christian "you really do exist! Can you make this bear go away?"
"Why should I?" says Logic. "You've been denying my existence all your life"
"Fair point" says the Christian. "Ok, how about this. Can you talk to the bear and try to reason with it?"
Of course not, next time you take a walk in Bear country bring a gun, see ya.
See? Told ya so...Logic always wins
See how you can change just one word and a story takes on a whole new meaning, sort of like the New testament..They are just stories like the one above to terrorize you into obeying someone that no one can prove exists.
This is such a tragic event. I'm heartbroken for the sweet little girl. If there were an angel watching over her, why didn't that angel hold her a little higher, a lot closer, and much tighter, so she wouldn't have been injured critically and fighting for her life? If she survives, I hope and wish her the best. I want her to survive and thrive. I would love to believe in guardian angels but, if they existed, where were those guardian angels for her Mother, Dad and her 2 siblings that all perished? It's tragic that, if she survives, she'll only have faint memories of her loving family. A horrific tragedy, at such a young, sweet age. She'll never get to grow up with the ones she would have loved the most and the ones that would have loved her the most. If you believe in prayer, then pray for her if it makes you feel better. I believe her fate has already been decided and your prayers aren't going to change God's mind, if he exists at all. Since God is supposed to know all and see all, even the future, then he knew who would pray for this sweet little girl and he already made up his mind and decided what to do to whom and when. So, nothing will change. As a one-time devout Christian, who wasted 20+ years, praying 50 to 100 times a day for one simple prayer, it was ignored and continues to be ignored, so you'll, please, forgive me for having no faith in prayer. His mind was made up before we were even born.
well, we all die and that is a fact. Likely, on the scheme of things, whether we die at the age of 2 or 80 and whether we have had a great life or made lots of mistakes, the fact that we are a grain of sand in the universe is the reality. The energy that makes us who we are, however moves on as energy is never wasted or eliminated. The bodies come and go. It does not take away the pain survivors suffer after losing loved ones. That may simply be our Karma. It helps to think we have to pay the piper.
In your post, you say you were praying every day for a simple prayer, but it was ignored. As a Christian, I was taught to pray for God's will, whatever it may be, and for the guidance and strength to accept His will, whether it be to my liking or not. I am supposed to deal with and accept that some things don't work out in my favor, even if they are horrible and traumatic. That is what makes me stronger. I do not give up in the face of adversity, I find whatever I can, out of terrible situations, to try to learn what it is that God would have me do to be better or to help someone else. Giving up would not be an option. If everything was always good or wonderful, then I would not need God.
Just because you didn't get the answer you wanted to your prayers, doesn't mean God ignored you. He told you NO, and kept telling you no, you just weren't listening.
master Bob,
God cannot be proven to anybody. Belief in God is not a matter of seeing is believing, it is a matter of simply believing. The proof you seek lies within you. Do you have the courage to seek it? No one can persuade you, you must find God in your own way.
I found Zeus, or did I find god? Or did I find the magical pink pony? I DON'T KNOW MAN.
The "proof" does indeed lie within you Matheu. Self delusion is the only way to "find god."