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Ashtabula Division Of Fire / AP
A room at Park Haven Nursing Home pictured on Monday after a meth lab inside ignited a fire and killed one person and injured six others on Sunday.
ASHTABULA, Ohio -- A drug lab in the room of a nursing home resident caused a fire that killed one person and injured six others, a fire chief in northeast Ohio said.
The man died Monday, following the Sunday night fire at Park Haven Nursing Home, Ashtabula fire Chief Ron Pristera said. The lab was making methamphetamine, Pristera said.
The Plain Dealer reported that 31-year-old Shaun Warrens died in the fire. The man was among three residents and two non-residents hospitalized, the AP reported.
Two other people were treated at the scene, Pristera said.
A lawyer for the nursing home declined to comment. Auditor's records show the home was built in 1950 and had 31 rooms. Pristera says 39 names were on its roster.
Cross-border methamphetamine trade booms amid Mexico's 'war on drugs'
Methamphetamine is a highly addictive illegal stimulant often cooked in homes with flammable components. State officials said more than 300 meth labs were broken up last year.
A small meth lab explosion causes a fire in an Ohio nursing home. WKYC's Dave Summers reports.
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We need to demand long jail sentences for druggies. We can actually SAVE tax money, by keeping this scum off the streets.
It's the only way we can win the war on drugs.
The "only" way? Not rehabilitation? The jails are already maxed out ... jails can detain people for periods of time, but they don't solve the addiction.
Rush Limbaugh is a convicted drug addict!
Really Az. it cost $45,000.00 per yrs to keep these scums in jail. Then you and I have to pay for drug treatment, health care, rehap, probation.
Legalize drugs is the only answer. they can burn them selves to death, shoot up heroin coming from Afghanistan-Pakistan till they die.
Free population control. Stupid enough like Rush Limbaugh to buy drugs illegally then yes they shoould be locked up w/ Rush Limbaugh!
Tent jails.
Use the welfare money, they get, to house them.
Use the great saving, by not having to chase them.
And of course, there's the very large savings to us, by not having our property stolen to buy drugs.
And most important, think of the lives we would save.
The war on drugs is a joke! A waste on billions of dollars and the drugs keep coming from Afghanistan-Pakistan via the unprotected border that is unprotected to allow drugs to enter.
BofA, wells Fago and many other banksters want it this way. They laundry billions of dollars for these drug cartels. By the way they have more money than most nations.
Legalize drugs and take the black market down!
there's a slight hole in that those in jail do not get welfare, unemployment, or anything else besides the 3 hots and a cot. a lot of times they don't even get mental health care which for some is the reason they're in jail in the first place.
How many people are making illegal alcohol for human consumption?
As many as there where when it was in Prohibition? Not
Prohibition is nothing more than being that bird that sticks its head in the sand and just says NO!
Stupid in America!
You cannot control regulate nor tax the black market! it is illegal to tax illegal things
If we taxed drugs think of all the money that will be back in the economy!
Billions of tax dollars being wasted on the DEA. Kill that agency by legalize drugs and save billions a year!
The war on drugs IS working. It's keeping millions of people from using. Only a few idiots and crimnials are using drugs.
WOW! What an accomplishment. No wonder the war on drugs is so successful. The above statement should read 300 meth labs were broken up after causing house fires last year.
That number is probably less than 1/10 of 1% of the labs that were cooking last year in Ohio.
Hey allycat; Lets change the subject. A very old druggie trick. LOL
Yeah right: Some one is breaking A different law somewhere. So it makes it OK for you to be a crimnial. LOL.
Wow: The smart mind of a druggie. LOL.
no, it isn't. if it was, there would not be a drug issue after 40 years of the drug war. you're just too stupid to realize it. and alcohol is a legal drug that does far worse damage since it's so much more widely available.
I'm Active Duty Army, 17 years. I have yet to deploy to fight the "War on Drugs". Stop calling it that because it's not a war it's a money pit. A never ending money pit.
Tent jails in Ohio?
I agree with Mike. The only winners on the "war on drugs" are the corporations outfitting police or building prisons and the egos of the people in charge of the DEA.
wakehead: "tent jails in Ohio" , That's a very good idea.
mike: The same for the war on robbery. It'll never end, but we can't just give in to the criminals.
The war on pot started over fifty years ago and all it did was funnel money to the cartels and cost the taxpayer money for enforcement mainly in judicial costs for attorneys, judges, and jail costs. Hundreds of thousands of people have been through the legal and prison systems over a substance that they cannot say definitively causes harm.
Sorrry, Tumbleweed. THere's a simple answer for every problem. Unfortunately it's almost always wrong.
dwap: Yes, I can be stupid at times. I know I'm not real smart, but, one thing is for sure. I'm smarter AND stronger than ANY druggie.
AZ, those arguments might work at the nursing home, anyone under 60 would tend to disagree, wheres the proof millions are not using drugs because of this "war". Most young people who dont do drugs do so because of proper upbringing, etc., not a fear of going to jail.
also, robbery is a deliberate act against another, not really the case with drug use per se'
@AZ Tumblweed
The only thing that makes people who use drug criminals are the laws. The laws create more victims than the drug users. You must not believe in true freedom.
AZ
you are totally miss informed, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegal drug users, add in alcoholics and prescription drugs and and there are multi millions. Obviously there is a great need for people to somehow get high. Making drugs illegal is not the answer, notice how there are "new" drugs being made illegal all the time. people will find a way( glue, paint, solvents, etc.) you cant outlaw everything that can make you high. The only answer is to make all drugs legal , regulate and tax them ( like booze) the addictive drugs would need a prescription and maybe a clinic to administer them.
as mentioned earlier, the war on drugs is a joke, anyone who wants any drug can get it right now without too much searching, including in prison
it didnt work for alcohol and it isnt working for anything else either
The war on drugs has become a profit making machine for private industry, it will be a part of American life forever now. Private companies now take in the lions share of the rehab dollars as well as house many convicted drug users in their for profit prisons. This trend has become irreversible because the Corporate machine that profits from the war on drugs has many political backers. The Dominion Group builds and runs for profit prisons and they are part of C. Peter Wagner's New Apostolic Reformation. This is all part of the extreme rights plan to "defund" the left, give liberals felonies so they can't vote and then lock them in a private prison owned by a political party posing as a religious organization and throw away the key. Unless we outlaw the republican party the way they did the Bath party in Iraq I am afraid the war on personal freedoms will just continue to escalate,
The war on drugs is a war in which neither side wants to WIN because that would mean the end of the money. We have huge private prisons, drug test companies and an enormous prohibition based industry to support. Without the WOD they'd all be looking for new work. At the same time the drug sellers don't want legalization as that would cut their profits down.
Tumbleweed's brand of liberalism is something we can no longer afford. We need less government, not more government, and fewer laws, not more. Tumbleweed wants to raise our taxes to pay for more prisons to lock up even more citizens who can and should be out working and paying taxes themselves, not getting free room and board at the taxpayers' expense just because they choose to consume substances that he personally disapproves of.
And what's the real story with a meth lab in a nursing home? Grandpa's SS check and Medicare wasn't enough to pay for his care, so he resorted to cooking meth? I bet there is a great back story here.
Now their cooking up meth in nursing homes ? ... Thats worse then selling drugs next to a school ..
Designer drugs are taking over the market, being sold as "incense" and not for human consumption under a variety of names .. Spice, Kush, etc they are now a half a billion dollar business & growing .. inducing marijuana smokers to buy ...because they are legal. Containing substances & chemicals whose heath effects are unknown and may be carcinogenic or ?, being bought all because a harmless & useful herb, Marijuana, is banned, even as a prescribed medication by our central government. Does it make sense to allow unknown substances whose long term effects could be catastrophic health wise to take over a market when a harmless one, that has been used for centuries: has been tested more then any other drug in history and found harmless is banned ?
Additionally, To compare Methamphetamine to Marijuana is like comparing a bomb to a spitball! ..
Decriminalize Marijuana, let Americans make a "Free Choice" about what they choose to put in their bodies!
He was a very young "gran-pa". 31 years old.
Lets see,... we have prescription pill addiction, heroin, diet pill addiction, alcoholism, so... No simple solution. Overcrowd the jails, and you have child molestors, gang bangers with murder/manslaughter convictions go free. Overcrowd the jails and you run low on funds. the guards get injured, and are told to go on disability WITHOUT MEDICAL COVERAGE, when they DO their jobs. Execute the murderers and spend MORE money than if you just housed them til they died.
What is wrong with the war on drugs? Oh forgot to mention, when Ronald Reagan administration decided to close the mental hospitals, and let the disabled out on the streets because they could theoretically be "medicated on their own", that meant a war on the mentally ill. Sounds like we have a habit of spending more money whenever we "save" on basic services.
Lets have another war, that way we don't have to think about what was just done in the name of 'saving money.' Jail isn't the "only" answer. Rehabilitation takes many attempts to succeed. Meanwhile the conservatives like Limbaugh, always shoot off their mouth without a thought in their head that THEY have the same problems, just not enough sense to acknowledge that life isn't black and white. Meanwhile, the damaged addicts will start going into nursing homes, because rehab and family couldn't put them back together again. You can only change what is within your grasp.
Hey, Mr. Arizona, if you believe there are alot of tents available, or maybe you can spare a few, I think a few alcoholics and drug addicts need them over here in Michigan so they can sleep in the ditches and parks! Eventually, they wind up in jail, so that a young dangerous prisoner can be released early for "good behavior", a punk with a gun, a guy who smashed his three year old daughters head against the wall cause she wouldn't stop crying after he raped her. Maybe he can come to arizona, pitch a tent and get work as a babysitter...
War on drugs gives us so many "interesting" parolees! My personal favorite is the handyman who targets 13 year old girls, who got released after a year and a half in spite of a LONG HISTORY of dating women with minor children and rape charges. Mr. Arizona, can we pitch the tents of the parolees who get released for non drug but violent tendencies and have them live in your neighborhood instead of mine? I want grandkids some day who wont have to be guarded like my kids had to be. Conclusion: making a NEW problem with a "solution" that isn't thought out is pretty much a Limbaugh thing.
Those of us who LIVE in this world, work on local solutions that DO work. We don't dream up ones that are never implimented or left for someone else to do. Volunteer at a soup kitchen, Mr Arizona, and meet many that will help you see the black and white of your world is in your mind.
Meanwhile, those of us with family have to actually face the problems that Mr Arizona thinks will work out with a "tent jail".
You have to keep seniors active. Knitting, playing cards, manufacturing meth...whatever works.
In the 80s there was a lot of crack heads in my town and i had an idea. Crack farms a place where crack heads could go and get all the crack they want as long as they stay they could grow their own food and smoke crack till they die if crack was legal on the farm it would cost about 5 dollars a pound it would be cheaper than jail and the addicts would want to be there this would work for most hard drugs and because most people that do these drugs are exposed to them by addicts less people will start plus dealers wouldn't be able to compete with the farms free drugs so their base of steady customers would be gone and they'd go out of business
Here is the problem that I see. The State of Ohio demands Residents Rights above the rights of the Nursing Home owner. If the owner had the right to kick out the resident who had total disregard for everyone living in the home, they would have asked them to leave. Give the right to keep the peace back to the people who paid for the building. They are the ones who now have to clean up the mess, pay higher Insurance and live with that reputation. How unfair.
azdad, the "back story" really should be the "front story". Nursing homes are just that: homes for people who need nursing. Yes, the elderly make up the majority of the population, but if you do the research, it's surprising how many nursing home residents are there for reasons other than age. It's also surprising how many criminals end up being housed in nursing homes without the knowledge of the other residents or their families.
Arizona Tumbleweed, have you ever met anyone more right-wing or narrow-minded than you are?
Take drugs off the black market and put it on the legal market?
The same legal market that the very same people complain is unfair and run by the "greedy"?
The irony is off the charts.
Arizona Tumbleweed
dwap: Yes, I can be stupid at times. I know I'm not real smart, but, one thing is for sure. I'm smarter AND stronger than ANY druggie.
stupid is just the tip of the iceberg. ignorant and self righteous also come to mind.
AT -
Jail does not fix the drug problem. If you put a drug addict in jail the docs there write them prescriptions to help them through detox, they get addicted to the legal drugs and find ways to stay on them. They are not using an illegal substance but legal drugs often have a much worse impact. I speak from experience, my family was destroyed by "legal drugs". I had a relative that was severely injured and was put on prescription painkillers. He was sent to a licensed medical professional who continued to write him prescriptions for stronger and stronger narcotics until he burnt the house down, almost killed me in the process, attacked his wife and almost killed her was placed in a residential treatment facility where we were told he did not have a problem because his drugs were legally prescribed. We kicked him out and changed the locks. He ended up going to jail where they continued to feed him pills and he learned from other criminals how to play the system even harder.
Now, take a junkie on illegal drugs, lock him up and put him on a script to help with detox, get him addicted to legal drugs and until he does something illegal and not domestic nothing else will be done. Or spend that money on actual rehab programs that are proven to work in the long term and get the druggies off the streets by actually curing their addiction which is a disease. Of course if you've never suffered through seeing addiction eat a loved one like a cancer you should really just shut up because you don't know what you are talking about.
What some people will do to get the old folks moving! Wow.
There are nearly 18 million recreational Cannabis users in the U.S. and there are regular increases in its use across all demographics every year.
This doesn't even take into account all the other legal and illegal substances.
Over 10% of our current U.S. population participates in recreational drug use on a regular basis while increasing the number of users every year.
At what point are you going to admit that what we are currently doing to thwart drug use has failed greatly? Despite what you want to believe, the number of users have grown. Hundreds of billions of dollars spent over time just to gain more users?
It's time to try something else. Building a prison on every corner isn't the solution no more than making it all legal is. There is no quick fix or easy answer to this.
Bet you a weeks pay that you think highly of someone that is a recreational user. Could be the person at the hardware store or at your local bank, but you do think in a positive light about them.
Demonizing something doesn't make it just go away or get any better.
sabotandheat-The same legal market that the very same people complain is unfair and run by the "greedy"? The irony is off the charts.
the ignorance is too if you don't get that in this situation people would rather pay a greedy person than risk jail time. you almost had a good point except for that whole logic thing.
Arizonatumbleweed you cannot even be that naive unless you are a teenager. The war on drugs is a complete joke. There is no war on drugs. The only war is the one where the government has people killed for encroaching on their business. Drugs are on the streets because our government allows it. So our elected officials and higher ups need to be in prison even more so than the actual drug addicts that purchase the drugs.
headline; 31 year old brain damaged nursing home resident tries to cook meth and burns down facility on first (and last) try.
Best way to get rid of dealers, traffickers and illegal drug manufacturers......executions. make the manufacturing, trafficking and dealing of illegal drugs a capitol crime.
T@im G from Ohio
Wait. You think the owner of the nursing home had no choice but to allow the residents to make meth because they couldn't be kicked out? Really? You don't think they could have, oh I don't know...called the police? The article doesn't say exactly who was making the meth but I'm guessing it was the owner or the staff not one of the residents.
Arizona, you dope! (Haha, get it?)
You can't "win" a war on drugs any more than you can "win" a war on terror. It requires a constant, never-ending course of police action. I support the "war" on terror - It keeps us safe. I just don't like calling it a "war." However, the "war" on drugs is stupid.
I'm a very intelligent professional, and I don't use drugs. I've been around people who do. From what I've seen, drug use is a symptom of the natural condition of being a loser. Making drugs legal is not going to result in the creation of more losers. It's the same with alcoholism. Just because it's legal doesn't mean that everyone is an alcoholic. But if booze were illegal, alcoholics would still find violent ways to get at the hooch, just like they did during prohibition.
Why is it so hard for you less intelligent folks to see the parallel between prohibition of the past and the drug war of today? It's a huge waste of time and a huge waste of innocent lives (those that are lost fighting in the "war.") Drug prohibition is the single thing that props up the drug cartels, which in turn are driving hoards of illegal immigrants into the U.S. who wish to escape the economic devastation and violence that the drug cartels have wrought.
Keep believing that you can "win" this war. Better to control, tax, and regulate it, just like we do alcohol.
Oh, and don't bother debating me, because I am never, ever wrong. Ha!
@HATR HURTER
People would also murder others to keep from going to jail. What's your point. Drugs are illegal. If you don't want to go to jail don't break the law.
There's logic.
Hey, Tumbleweed, Portugal legalized all drugs recently, and since then, drug use has been cut dramatically. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html Your explanation behind that?
This country has the highest incarcaration rate in the world already, largely in part because of the "war on drugs." Are you suggesting that we should extend that gap even further? Are you suggesting that we spend more of our tax dollars to house these people without rehabilitation, so that once they get out they're simply less mentally competant, still addicted to those drugs, and more of a hardened criminal? That doesn't sound too safe and reassuring to me.
Those prisons are privately owned, by the way. Do you see the conflict of interest there? Those multi-billion dollar companies that lobby our elected legislators OWN these prisons.
Multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical corporations make synthetic drugs with much of the same effects as these illegal street drugs. Except, they're legal, and often times much more addicting and physically dangerous. SIDE EFFECTS MAY INCLUDE: .... They lobby MASSIVE amounts of money annually to keep this BS "war on drugs" going, so that their profits aren't cut into.
The U.S. is falling behind a lot of the rest of the developed world, and it's because of these corporations that keep screwing the people just so that they can make money. They propogate nonsense to (typically the older generation) people that will fall for their BS.
Everybody knows that meth is awful; cocaine ruins your brain, heroin is addicting and immensely harmful on your organs, etc. Nobody is advocating the use of these drugs. What everybody else is trying to tell you is that there are better ways of controlling the use of these substances as well as the crime that comes from their (black market, bootleg) distribution(because of it's illegality). Other countries have experimented with different methods, and have found them to be incredibly more effective than arresting everybody and throwing them in a cage as you've suggested we do(which is what we've been doing for decades, mind you, and drug use has only increased).
In summary, it's time to end the "war on drugs." Not so that I can go around doing drugs, because there's no reason why I would want to, even if they were legal(marijuana included). But because this "war" is detrimental to our society and is working in a counterproductive manner. It's a failed cause, and has been for quite some time. What we need is a more progressive, smarter way of approaching the problem. Ignorance perpetuates this, and every other meaningless war, and people really need to start educating themselves, to prevent becoming assets to this seemingly infinite cycle of ignorance.
Hey sabot...
That implies that all laws are ethical, just, non-corrupt and written with the best interest of the people in mind. Currently a lot of laws are written by bought off politicians with the best interest of mega corps or other business in mind.
@ Truth Revealed
While your point is noted, it does not change the fact that an unethical law will still be enforced just an ethical law will be (or should be). Therefore, it doesnt change the root issue that HATR brought up, which is avoidance of jail time due to black market vs. free market.
P.S. Ethics is an ambiguous statement since what may be ethical to you could be unethical to me. Thankfully, the U.S. Constitution set forth boundries for us, so that opinion is not king.
I have worked in A nursing home most of my life .... there is no way someone could be making meth in my facility without staff knowing it .... the smell alone would give the resident away , not to mention all the supplies that would be needed in that little nursing home room that are not even allowed in residents rooms ..... sry to say , but there is staff involvment in this that needs looked at also ........ or it will continue down the road .......
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the staff got a share of the product for looking the other way?
I agree, Jeff. How could the staff not know what was happening in that room? This is outrageous!
This is the only reason I read this article. Maybe thats why the lawyers declined comment? I'm not the brightest cookie in the jar, but i come from a family of drug additcs, everyone in that building HAD to know. You just dont set up a meth lab, in a public place, cook it, and no one knows? This is way bigger than one individual!
I'm shocked this happened in a room at a nursing home. I thought nurses came in and out to check on you and give you meds. This 'thing' was in plain view inside someone's room??? Now that just doesn't make sense at all. How were his supplies delivered to him, plus didn't it stink up the place???
Sounds like a few of the staff were getting kickbacks for keeping quiet. I still can't believe this was possible. In a nursing home room???
look up the 'shake and bake' method, it's very easy but highly dangerous. let me see if they will include a link to another site:
I guess not, guess just google it, 'shake and bake methamphetamine' one of the first is a like to npr about this and the increase in burn victims.
It was probably one of the staff doing the cooking. The aging society has created a shortage of nurses and nurses aides, there are many of these facilities that will hire what ever warm body they can find with a certificate.
It also says that a 31 yr old was killed in the fire. Was he the one cooking up the Meth? Was the room otherwise unoccupied? There's a lot of missing information here.
I feel about druggies the same way I feel about the gangbangers. Round them up and put them into one of those old deserted towns out west. One of the old goldrush towns that fizzled up. Let them shoot it up and shoot each other up. Let them all kill each other. At least then there would be no innocent victims caught in the crossfire.
There's no use "rehabbing" someone who doesn't want it. Like any addiction the inner will of the individual is what gets you over it.
Most likely ALL OF THE STAFF was making the stuff
I really don't think that was a real nursing home. They might have fooled a few people, but that place was nothing more than a drug lab.
i'm kinda with you, my parents owned a nursing home. there's inspectors all the time and visitors coming and going. how could this happen with a person in the room. there's Dr.s coming and going, physical therapist, maintenance men, just a load of people. I'm having trouble with this story.
Exactly!! What is missing from this story is how the heck other residents, staff, or the owners of this home did NOT know this was occuring....still confused about this! What do the owners and administrators of this facility say about this??
There are so many questions unanswered in this article. Was this room occupied? Who was making the meth? Were they actually producing meth or was this the start up of the lab? If meth was being produced, how did it go unnoticed?
I've worked in this industry for may years, and there is NO WAY that all of the staff would go along with this type of activity occurring in their home. And it is not like this was going on after hours: there are no after hours in a nursing home. There is staff there 24/7. I would like more details: there's at lot not being reported.
I am so confused on this whole story because it leaves out a lot of information like: who was cooking the meth and how was a resident living in a nursing home and able to be cooking drugs, was anyone checking on this resident or the room, didn't they smell fumes coming from the process? This story was poorly written and shouldn't have been released until they had further details if they felt it worthy reporting.
Janine - Your recommendation should be considered for the labotamized and dimwitted like you. You are more than welcome to your position, but remember I am free to call you stupid for it.
STUPID
janine, glad to hear you're perfect.
Were any of the residents even involved in cooking the meth ? The staff may have just been using the nursing home as a front .
According to State of Ohio NH survey sites, this so called home had a 1 out of 5 medicare rating. It was a hole that should have been closed years ago.
Yep...you know, the odds of recovery from drug addiction are slim, but they are there and people do recover. It is a disease. The mentality of Janine is sad...and I hope rare, but doubt it. Hope none of your kids, if you have any, ever struggle with addiction. You going to line them up and shoot them with the gang bangers? I always say I have heard it all, but everyday, I hear something else that blows my mind. The mentality of some people. Ever heard of compassion? Good grief.
Just because it was a nursing home does not mean all the residents were elderly.
expect to see more stories of drug problems in nursing homes, starting to get the 60's generation in those homes, suspect many of that generation have never stopped using.
I always wondered why they say that the older generations are remaining more active in their declining years.
So please.... come and join us here at Park Haven where we work to ensure that your Crystal Years, errr your Golden Years, are the most enjoyable of your lifetime
Geri's on Jet Fuel.
Jeff Taylor,
"there is no way someone could be making meth in my facility without staff knowing it"
It may have been the staff that was making the meth. The guy who was killed in the fire was only 31 years old, so he obviously was not a patient there.
People of all ages are resident in nursing homes. He may have had a debilitating disease. It's not so obvious that he was a non resident
Mickey, there are several young people and a teen at our nursing home all from car accidents. They are pathetic sights and unable to talk with no motor skills whatsoever. Nursing homes are not just for the old.
Jean and JG,
My mistake. I think of nursing homes of being for the elderly because I used to work in one, and they were all old people.
"Out of sight out of mind ..." The New America ..... where community was the first line of defense ...
March 5, 2012 ... The day that American Liberty died...
I am a health care professional, and this sickens me. I feel horrible for the people who werent involved who got hurt. I hope that the people involved get charged with manslaughter, and heavy fines.
He could have been a patient. Most nursing homes have younger patients at time. People that have been injured in accidents or that have had surgery that required Physical, Occupational and/or Speech Therapy sometime go to nursing homes for short time rehab for the injuries.
My mother was in a nursing home(s) for 10 +/- years. I was constantly going in to check on her and the home. There are people of all ages in nursing homes for various reasons. There is also a lot of staff that ignore whats going on, and when the whistle is blown on them, the admin is very quick to stand behind the staff. And yes, there are a load of people that come in, but they just do their thing and ignore everything else. I realize nursing homes are an evil necessity, and I wouldn't give you 2 cents for the entire lot, but I agree, this was an inside job.
OK Mickey, tell me....was there any way meth could have been made in a room there and the staff did not know about it? Does that even remotely make sense to you?
Just because this man was 31 years old does not mean he was not a resident of the nursing home. My ex-husband was in a nursing home for almost 4 months and he was only 23 years old and the nursing home is in Ohio. Nursing homes take in younger patients when the patient needs long term care. I do also agree with jeff, the staff would have had to have known about this. I don't possibly see how they could not have known. I feel so sorry for the innocent residents of this nursing home who were hurt and the ones who weren't. This is their home too and they should be allowed to live freely from this kind of crap. I do think they need to move the residents to another facility, investigate ALL of the staff in this nursing home and then shut it down for good.
JG,
"OK Mickey, tell me....was there any way meth could have been made in a room there and the staff did not know about it? Does that even remotely make sense to you?"
No, it doesn't, and I think I said it may have been the staff that was cooking the meth.
If only all the tweakers could be toasted.
...yes she did...
I worked in accounting in a nursing home for several years. One resident was in and out of the facility depending on if her son was in jail or not. She was not the "little old lady" type, rode around in her wheelchair with a black leather biker jacket and knee-hi boots with a chain around the ankle of one. The last time she was in the nursing home while I was still working there, her son had blown up their apartment with his meth lab. You should have seen the son- I wouldn't have eaten a cookie he made much less taken a concoction of chemicals like meth that he had cooked!
Will be interesting to hear the rest of this story, no way you could hide a meth lab in a little 31 room nursing home!
Legalize drugs is the only answer. they can burn them selves to death, shoot up heroin coming from Afghanistan-Pakistan till they die.
Free population control. Stupid enough like Rush Limbaugh to buy drugs illegally then yes they shoould be locked up w/ Rush Limbaugh!
allycat,
I believe that drug laws need to be amended, and the "War on Drugs" has been a failure for the most part, but that doesn't mean the answer is legalizing all drugs. Unless you're going to give addicts free drugs, or money to buy drugs, there will still be violent crime associated with drug use.
Additionally, the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine literally poisons the environment surrounding the lab. So, your "free population control" might change the population in ways you are not anticipating.
The day they say drug users will give up their kids to the State, and agree to surgical sterilization, is the day I'd say ok to legalizing all drugs.
Debi_E
If Methamphetamine were legalized, it would be manufactured in the same sorts of facilities as other drugs and the environmental issues would be taken care of along with the chemical waste of other processes.
The nursing home may have been started as a front for the drug operation.
If after 60+ years it was still confined to one small room, it can hardly be called a drug operation. Let alone the entire structure built for drug purposes.
Right, the home was built in 1950. I guess reading is not your strong point.
He didnt say it started in 1950... he said it may have been started as a front for the drug operation and you can start that in 2012 just as easy and in the same nursing home.
Doubt it seriously. Nursing homes are one of the most highly regulated industries there is. If I was to venture a guess, I would say that this lab probably had just been set up, by who I do not know, and had not been producing meth for very long, if at all, before it went up. My experience has been, including every department, that there is roughly 1:1 ratio of staff to resident in a nursing home total. The chances that this kind of activity would go unnoticed and ignored by all of the staff is highly improbable.
This form of "crystal meth" was not invented in the 50's. It is neither crystal or methamphetamine, which requires a crystalline structure. Crystal meth melts if not kept cold.
This makes no sense at all how can a resident have a meth lab in there room undetected? i say it was not a resident but the owners of this nursing home as the makers of this meth lab and blamed it on a resident who is dead now and can not be accountable, my son was in a nursing home for 3 years until i got him out of that place, so many nursing homes are doing things to the residents that are criminal like when a resident makes waves for the staff when i comes time for their shower they will run cold water on them until they start screaming this happened to my son and they man handled him and left bruses on his arms he told me about i called the health dept and they investigated only to report back to me that my son told them it was his fault and nothing was done about it, when i ask my son about this he told me he was afraid of retaileation from staff members if he said anything about what really happened, i soon got him out of there and he now lives with me and i am his caregiver he is happy and no longer afraid.
The depths of human idiocy fail to astound me.
Tumbleweed - you could not me more incorrect if you were trying.
Chouse - You could not me??????? Guess you could not be more incorrect if you were trying.
Oh NO, I dared to typo in your sanctum.
Tumbleweed is spewing a ton of complete falsehoods and you focus on a typo? Seriously?
What we need is to make the prison system not so easy on those who end up there. We need the chain gangs again. When you broke that law, sold that drug, murdered that person, robbed that bank or whatever crime brought you to jail, you lost the same freedoms that I have. Most prisons used to be self sufficient, they planted crops, worked the fields, cleaned the highways etc. May help with the gangs in there too. They would be too tired after a full days work to worry about anything else. Do the crime, do the time...hard time working, earning your keep.
Why don't you volunteer to pay for all that, ok? Not just the cost of new prisons and the annual cost of feeding and caring for every inmate, but also the lost taxes that won't be collected because those inmates aren't out working in the private sector. If you think that planting crops or cleaning highways or making license plates is enough to pay for a modern prison and inmate upkeep, perhaps you should do some research.
And if you think that our prisons are mostly filled with murderers and bank robbers, again I suggest you do some research. The majority of our inmates are there for what many call a "victimless crime."
The U.S. leads all other nations in creating criminals. We have the highest per capita number of incarcerated citizens of any country in the world. Even in absolute numbers, we have more prisoners than China (land of the free?), which has more than three times our population. And that is not even counting the millions of former inmates who were previously incarcerated but since released on parole.
You want to make it "tough" on them, chain gangs, working the fields, etc., well just remember that since most of them are in for minor crimes, they will be released and may one day be your neighbor, or the waiter who serves you lunch, of the guy who fixes your car.
azdad48- you might want to read K-2340175s post again. Theirs made sense, yours didn't.
I wish they had told more on this, like who was making the meth... was it an employee making it, perhaps in an unsuspecting patient's room? The 31 year old resident or the 2 non-residents that were hospitalized? You know it's bad when this crap is being done in nursing homes...
Again, what the hell is wrong with people in Ohio. Grandma on meth and 30 year olds in nursing homes.
I hope you aren't so naive to think it only happens in Ohio. Get a grip.
This points up the need to have seaprate nursing homes for younger people who need nursing care.
Let me say this to all who advocate harsh/cruel treatment of those unfortunate enough to become addicted to drugs; these "druggies" are people just like you and me. People who made mistakes or were in situations that they were so desperate to get away from that they sought escape through the use of illegal or even legal drugs. The problems of addicts will never be solved by throwing them in jail or letting them "burn themselves to death" or "shoot up heroin" until they die. These people undoubtedly pose challenges for society but the way we choose to handle them is a reflection on all of us as Americans and human beings. Drug addiction has nothing to do with intellect, so those who post that drug abusers are stupid need to reconsider their words. These people are victims with low self esteem. Rehabilitation isn't always possible but building more prisons isn't the answer either.
I travelled the road of addiction in my youth, I was rescued by a beautiful lady who saw something in me she considered worthy of love. Sounds incredible to write those words, but that is the absolute truth. Because someone reached out to me I was able to turn away from the path I travelled. I have enjoyed a long, mostly prosperous life, become a father, raised two beautiful children who have grown up to become responsible members of their communities. I am now a grandfather, and I remain with this beautiful lady nearly 37 years later.
Dismissing the addicted as though they do not matter IS stupid. They need help, many are trapped in a cycle they lack the ability to break. Addiction is tragic, we compound the tragedy when we turn away or dismiss the addict as a "lost cause".
They are people, not all of whom are beyond help, I am living proof of this.
Yeah, well i've lost my "dream" home in 2010, been divorced and have few friends, but i've never been a Meth head or done hard drugs of any kind. I don't feel sorry for people who do drugs. They are weakand have no will power of any kind. A drain on Society like Illegals, Anchor babies, repeat drunk drivers, murderers and so on and so on. I have as many reasons to be a drunk or drug addict as anyone, but i'm not. I'm playing the worlds smallest violin right now for these peoples problems. They have no regard for others, as this story points out. In a friggin nursing home ? All those deadly chemicals and DUH, the obvious fire dangers ? No tears here for this puke.
Corn,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I understand where you are coming from and agree with some of your post but when we lump people together we disregard their individual issues. This is always a mistake. Each person deserves consideration for who they are and what they do - good or bad. Not all druggies are lost causes, not all Republicans or Democrats are extremists, not all poor people are stupid or lazy, not all rich people are ambitious or intelligent...Even good people can find themselves addicted and once addicted, helpless against the addiction. If you've never travelled that road, good for you, I would tell you addiction isn't easily beaten or ever really beaten at all, it is a lifelong struggle. Does the person running a meth lab in a nursing home deserve sympathy? No, they need to be dealt with accordingly, their addiction has directly lead to the tragic loss of someones life. The addict behind this is just one individual whose actions shouldn't cause us to draw the conclusion that all addicts are drains on society who are beyond redemption.
With that sort of attitude, it is no wonder the following is true:
Cornfed--your words indicate that it's you who have "no regard for others"
Corn,
Addicts can be anyone and the disease of addiction does not discriminate. There are people on Wall Street moving this country's money who get high everyday. People fall into addiction for many different reasons...doesn't take a genius to figure that out. So don't generalize or stereotype. I could call you a LOSER for losing your home, failing at your marriage and having no friends.....not fair, right??? So don't judge, buddy!
Thank you SIGHBER!!! What ever happened to compassion? People don't understand that it is a disease and that there are many of us who have come through on the other side. You know what? They will understand when their kids or someone they care about is addicted and they will see that they suffer too. It is a sad day. Human compassion seems to be gone. How very sad. Congrats to you SIGHBER and one day at a time!!!!
Actually having the lab right there is cost effective.
The patients are sedated and there is no reason to spend millions on BIG PHARMA drugs that simply line the pockets of the 1%.
Way to spin this into a slam on pharmaceuticals. Because that's totally relevant, right?
Meth doesn't sedate, BTW.
This is a stimulant not a sedative.
Geezaz, friggin Meth is friggin everywhere ! Next thing you know Churches, Hospitals and Police stations will be on fire. What the hell is this country coming to ? Oh yeah......HELL.
As an X druggie from back in the '60s, yes it does work. I would never want to see the inside of another jail. There are also programs in prisons if an inmate wants to get in them. Most of them will shorten your sentence.
I would be alright with legalizing MJ for anyone over 21 though. This would take a big chunk out of the prison population and allow more resources and programs for the heavy drug users. I would also go for longer sentences for anyone convicted of a felony under the influence of any drug including alcohol.
Sounds pretty reasonable.
Bottom line is, man destroys himself. Always has. Always will. look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Russia, Lybia and every other place on Earth. Wars, Drugs, Bombings, Rapes, Murders, Arson, Drunk drivers, Robberies, Starvation, Suicides, Hate crimes, Child molesters, Child abductions, Pollution, Madoff scammers, crooked Politicians, Wall street Greed and thousands more on the list. Come on Dec. 21, 2012. I can't wait to go to the Stars.
I don't understand this whole article. First, if this was a nursing home, was there not any nurses to see or smell that meth was being cooked. Come on people, what in the world is going on??? Was this a nrsing home for "recovering" meth addicts. i really truly do not understand. Call me ignorant, jst don't get it (shaking my head)
Wait... WHAT???? Confusion is beginning to set in.
That's a meth - buster
Apparently the nurses just thought it was the old guy's bad dentures which caused him to say, "I'm sorry, but you can't come into my room, it's a meth."
Badda bing!
Thufferin thucoktash, now that was funny, GeorgeBurnsWasRight.
I agree, what on earth was the staff doing in a "supposed" Nursing Home? And WHY was a 31yo a resident??..Nursing homes are not hostels or shelters or anything other than a Nursing Home..something stinks in this story and it isnt the meth cooking.
YOunger residents are in nursing homes now.. Some because of diseases like MS, some because of accidents, and some for short term therapy.These are just a few examples.
A meth lab in a nursing home?People get more stupid every day..
How is it even possible to have a meth lab in a nursing home?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking! You would think that would be just a tad conspicuous! Also, pardon my ignorance, but what was a 31 year old man doing as a resident at a nursing home? Was it also a rehab center of some sort as well? Just sounds strange to me....
Now start thinking about your neighbors and people you work with, you are personally associated with at least one person involved in meth production or distribution, it's everywhere.
Ok dan I get that but a nursing home??? I mean seems like damn near everyone that worked there would have to have been involved.