$49 a credit hour @ community college this is only $588 a semester, that is very cheap and affordable. I put myself through community college in Kentucky and many state Institutes have programs that if you go to the local community college for you first two years you can keep paying the same rates.

Dont worry Governor Moonbeam is on top of this LOL.

I agree - If these people really want to do something about the problem, start protesting the granting of in-state tuition rates and financial assistance to illegal immigrants. The taxpayers of the state are subsidizing the education of these illegal immigrants through their tax dollars. There is no justification for granting in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants, not only are they not legal CA residents, they are not even legal US residents. These people protesting the tuition hikes are the same ones that are out their protesting in favor of the Dream Act and other nonsense to grant amnesty and benefits of citizenship to the illegals. We do not need any tax increases in CA, what we need is a governor and legislature that ill actually enforce the law. They need to put an end to sanctuary cities like San Francisco and start cooperating in enforcing immigration laws. Instead our idiot governor wants to give CA driver's licenses to illegals and has granted them the same rights and benefits in education that are given to legal, taxpaying CA residents. This state is bankrupt and our liberal governor and legislature are giving away our tax dollars to illegals. Jerry Brown needs to be impeached and replaced with someone who will serve the interests of the legal residents of CA.

Lets see nobodys protesting what caused this crisis in the first place, high gas prices. If I can't get to work I can't pay the mortgage. Dramarama you are so right have you ever seen an emergency room on a Saturday with runny nosed Illegal aliens bringing in thier family, because if they wait for the weekend when the doctor's offices are closed, by law the emergency rooms have to treat them. What no insurance no worrys your illegal we have to treat you for free. By the way the car you have in no parking no worries its not registered to you any way. Oh and the car you bumped coming in, don't worry about it, you dont have insurance. Taxes you pay taxes? Lets see sales tax maybe unless of course you do all your buying at the swap meet and at places that don't collect taxes like garage sales. hmmm I probably left some things out like how gangs are just a cultural thing like maybe the flag of another country flying over your house every day. Good luck Upper California your going to need it, Lets see in 1959 I said In California will become The Very Very Rich and The Very Very Poor. Looks Like I was wrong, just the very very users.

Students angry over steep tuition increases and fewer courses at California's public universities and colleges waved signs and chanted, "They say cut back; we say fight back."

These are not problems in California if you are an ILLEGAL! Remember THE DREAM ACT!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-dream-act-cover-college-costs-illegal-immigrants/story?id=14701143

JS in SD--amen. And the cost of allowing illegals to get in state tuition is only PART of CA's tax problem. For several YEARS now, the number of AMERICANS moving INTO CA has not been as great as the number of Americans moving to OTHER US states, and YET, CA's population is still burgeoning. Not only does this hit the state on TAXES for education, it also burdens a state that struggles to find enough WATER, electricity, and space on their roads (much less MAINTENANCE on roads/streets that are over burdened by too much traffic.), police officers and fire fighters to cope with their population.

Add to those costs are the costs to build more and more schools (2 years ago, CA was opening a NEW school at the pace of one per DAY) and the overburdening of CA's health care systems. And throw in the double whammy of having to publish EVERYTHING in multiple foreign languages (EVEN ballots--did I MISS the part of gaining citizenship that said you had to speak ENGLISH?)

NewtISaPIG

You need to chill...or see a physician soon

How about the people that want to go to college, get jobs, what no jobs? The idiot Libs in this state need to wake up. Theirs no free lunches anymore, boys and girls, your on your own. Wow some reality jolt that turned out to be. Nobody wants to pay for you to go to school, and become a professional student, and suck your way through life living off the system. I voted down school bills for years. I'm 62 and retired. But I've watched for 35 years our school system go down hill. Teacher union needs to be broken, period. They are not the salution, but most of the problem. The Mexican invation has contributed to our down fall...They say they work and most do, but the rest are ball and chain on the tax payers of this state. Most of the Libs in this state have never earned a single dallor in their lives that wasn't on the tax payers dime. They too are parisites. This is only going to get worse as time goes by. So chain up boys and girls of California it's going to be a rough ride....Oh if it's Brown flush it!!!

Illegal aliens are responsible for the profiteering by corporations?

Ha! Ha! Ha! Boy, the public is so duped by the corruption in government and business that they go after other little people. The rich laugh at you as you do their dirty work and they laugh all the way to the bank.

Here are some other brilliant (yet staggeringly stupid) phrases the public believe:

War is Peace.

Politicians are honest and care about you.

Your neighbor on welfare or your other neighbor making a decent wage are somehow responsible for the trillions stolen by Wall Street.

People we kill and bomb in their own homelands hate us for our freedom.

Need I go on? No, those are enough to get the silly public distracted from the profiteering crooks at top. Ha! Ha! Ha!

MrWarmth------ you need to close your Lefty Manifesto and get out and loo0k around.

You have my vote.

cyber octagon 152

i would like to leave an informational comment about ronald reagan then governor of calif. the destroyer of the calif educational system . i attended his talk in sac. about tuition rates and increases, the first discussions , reagan promised that tuition imposed would be modest and conservative . the man was a liar. i was no more than 3 feet from the podium when he spoke . a friend of mine ask one of reagans aids who was standing behind him of the podium about tuition for the future . reagans aid smirked and replied " that once we got it opened we are going to raise it to what ever we want it to be " . i physical heard and witnessed this myself so to know it is true. ronald reagan was a liar and a fraud. he did the same destructive disservice to the nation that he did to the state of california . he is also responsible for the allowance of massive first waves of illegal undocumented workers into firstly california then the nation.the man was an incompetant and destroyer . yet you elected him president . have you all lost your mind .

Whether they are right or wrong fiscally is irrelevant. People wake up when you let people arrest them for protesting then when you want to protest something. You will find you have allowed the 1st amendment to be so gutted it won't be able to protect you. It is better to let them protest than marginalize their concerns and force them to act in a different manner. Yelling slogans has never killed anybody yet.

Bashing the immigrants, How quaint, an exercise in racism that worked so well in Alabama. That legislation originally penned by the secret lobbying group ALEC. http//www.alecexposed.org did a lot of damage to that states economy. The damage done by NAFTA has reached over borders and that was supported by corporations as well. This caused the family farm in Mexico to be insolvent due to factory farming here, where by the Mexican farmer had to go work at the factory farm to survive. I will call this Wallmart economics as the same thing happens on a local level in the united states. This race to the bottom economic policy has been supported by republicans for years. Look to the state of Oregon for enlightenment and solutions our legislature is an even split D's & R's but we can come together for the greater good and a balanced budget as well. But please stay in cali as you care so much for your state and it needs your input to solve the problems that have befallen you. Thanks for playing education of the illinformed.

Mike, "Lets see nobodys protesting what caused this crisis in the first place, high gas prices".

Gasoline consumption today is ~ at the same level as it was in 1997. Not only that the supply side of oil is up too. So what that means is demand is pretty much a constant.

If you remember your micro and macro economics, you recall the Supply/Demand curves.

If supply is low and demand high, price rises.

If supply is low and demand low, prices reach equilibrium

If demand is low and supply is high, prices are reduced

If demand is high and supply is high, prices reach equilibrium.

But what we have in gasoline is a demand that is lower, with a supply that has increased. So prices should drop. But they don’t. There are a few reasons why this is the case. First of all energy in general is traded on speculative markets. The thing about crude oil in the U.S. is that the majority of ours now comes from our neighbor to the north, Canada; and about 40% from ourselves.

Gas prices where I am are currently about $3.89 a gallon Of that about 50 cents is federal and state taxes.

So the raw price per gallon is $3.39. The gas station gets anwywhere from 1 cent to 7 cents per gallon, so I’ll say 5 cents. We’re own to $3.34 now.

Now refining and distribution probably account for $2.00 of the price of a gallon. Lets say that dropped to 1/3 the cost, or 67 cents. That raw cost of gasoline would now be down to $2.01, plus dealer 5 cents is $2.06, and with taxes $2.56 a gallon.

Now I’ve focused on refining and distribution. Focus on the speculation on oil. It’s currently trading at about $115 a barrel. But what if it dropped in half, to $57 a barrel. Still a high price but the raw cost of $1.34 from the above would probably drop to half too if the system weren’t gamed. Figure on say 70 cents a gallon.

So 67 cents for refining and distribution, a raw cost of 70 cents, and taxes and profit of 55 cents gives $1.92 !

So bascially $3.89 less $1.92 leaves $1.97 of pure profit to the oil companies in every gallon. Since 400 million gallons are sold every day, that’s an additional $788 million per DAY, or $287 Billion per year. That’s just the excess. (Newspew, wordpress)

glad i dont live in CA, always have been. if you think paying more taxes is all good, maybe you people who CAN afford it, and THINK your way is the way to go, donate your tax dollars to the gov till you make as much as say.... i do. then see if you can afford to do anything other than sit and look at what i do every day, a lot of morons who think they are the way, high on the kool aid, and too fat to do anything, to include WORK.

if you dont feel YOU do enough to enable your liberal thinking, by all mans give every last cent you have to the system, and see if they dont spend more yet to remain in the red.

Note: you cant beg for money, if you already have it.

"Occupy"....such a classy movement !

Abcnews - By KATTI GRAY Oct. 9, 2011

"Illegal immigrants will be able to apply for financial aid and merit-based scholarships to help pay their way through California's public colleges and universities, now that Gov. Jerry Brown this weekend signed the state's groundbreaking and controversial Dream Act, which ramps up existing allowances for the students in question.

"The reason [the Dream Act] matters," Krikorian said, "is that it's an attempt to legitimize the presence of illegal immigrants. … People say, 'How can you object to letting the young people who are living here get tuition?'"

That is easy, when American citizens are denied education in favor of educating illegals (federal crime by the way).

Then we have the attack by domestic enemies within the three branches of our gov on the American people, the US Constitution. Those who are supposed to represent us in the fed sold out to foreign and banking interests. Those who are supposed to represent us here in this states is a traitor, forgot the Oath he took which he is REQUIRED to keep until he dies or forswears it. If he forswears it he is no longer eligible for the office he is occupying, nor is he eligible anymore if he does not keep that oath.

Then we have Obama, giving sovereignty of OUR nation to the UN. First when he put our military into battle on the UN's orders, not congress. Oh, that also makes him a traitor. But then, so does this:

In additional to the economic provisions, the treaty also establishes specific jurisdictional limits on the ocean area that countries may claim, including a 12-mile territorial sea limit and a 200-mile exclusive economic zone limit.
The "right of innocent passage" is the right of any nation's ships to traverse continuously and expeditiously through the territorial waters of a coastal nation, subject to certain conditions. Under the Law of the Sea Treaty, such passage is conditioned on passing in a manner that isn't threatening to "sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence" or the "good order and security" of that nation.

One of the concerns raised by critics of the Law of the Sea Treaty is that it could be used to sharply limit U.S. military operations. Among the examples they cite is Article 20, which stipulates: "In the territorial sea, submarines and other underwater vehicles are required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag."

Proponents of the treaty counter that this provision merely establishes the conditions for invoking a "right of innocent passage" in the territorial waters of another nation. The "right of innocent passage" is the right of any nation's ships to traverse continuously and expeditiously through the territorial waters of a coastal nation, subject to certain conditions.

Because Article 20 doesn't mention "innocent passage," this provision may provide opponents of U.S. military operations a pretext - albeit a fairly weak one - for claiming that the surfacing requirement applies to all U.S. submarines operating in territorial waters.

But Article 20 also adds something completely new: The requirement that "other underwater vehicles" navigate on the surface.12 The surfacing requirement would thus presumably apply to Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUVs) and Remotely Operated Underwater Vehicles (ROVs), among others (including, presumably, the next generation of such vessels) for the first time.

AUVs, unmanned underwater drones, and ROVs, underwater vehicles controlled by operators at the surface, have numerous military applications, including mine detection and neutralization, surveillance and inspection of underwater installations and topography, among others.

Opponents of the treaty also contend that it could inhibit the U.S.'s ability to pursue international terrorists and prevent the transportation of weapons of mass destruction on the sea.14 They appear to be correct.

Article 110 of the Law of the Sea Treaty specifies military ships are "not justified in boarding [a foreign ship] unless there is reasonable grounds for suspecting that: (a) the ship is engaged in piracy; (b) the ship is engaged in the slave trade; (c) the ship is engaged in unauthorized broadcasting...; (d) the ship is without nationality or (e) ...the ship is, in reality, of the same nationality as the warship." Boarding of ships involved in the illicit drug trade is also permitted.15

Note that boarding of ships engaged in "unauthorized broadcasts" is considered to be justified, but boarding ships carrying terrorists or weapons of mass destruction is not.

When provisional measures are sought, however - as they likely would be when ships are detained - the rules are different. Provisional measures are akin to temporary injunctions - orders requiring one to do something or cease doing something - in the interest of preventing irreparable harm. Article 290, paragraph 5 of the Law of the Sea Treaty specifies that ITLOS would automatically adjudicate such disputes when states can not reach agreement on the method of adjudication or arbitration "within two weeks from the date of the request for provisional measures."

As Jeremy Rabkin, professor of government at Cornell University, has noted: "The only important category of dispute where one party can force another to answer before ITLOS is when a ship has been detained on the high seas and the complaining party seeks immediate release."

The prospects that disputes such as these taken to ITLOS would be ruled in the U.S.'s favor are poor. Many ITLOS judges, certainly a clear majority, are from countries that have either been openly hostile to the United States or are at best unreliable allies. Among the countries represented on ITLOS are South Africa, China, Russia, Tanzania, Lebanon, Brazil, Argentina and France.

ITLOS certainly could complicate the U.S.'s efforts to interdict terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.

Obama, H. Clinton, and congress is working to pass this which gives sovereignty of the USA to the UN.

TRAITORS, Domestic Enemies of the US, Liars to congress and the US people, Actively and knowingly going against the US Constitutional and the citizens of the United States (again), Conduct seriously incompatible with either the constitutional form and principles of our government or the proper performance of constitutional duties of the presidential office and congress, Misuse of powers assigned the executive branch by the constitution, Maladministration, Misapplication, Not keep the oath required of those who occupy the three branches of our fed gov by the US Constitution, Not Preserving, Protecting and Defending the Constitution of the United States” as required to get into and to stay in the Office of the US President, Not Supporting or Defending the US Constitution as required of those who serve in the legislative branch by the US Constitution, etc.

.. and much much more.

Probably 98.5% of the 99% don't support occupy or their drivel. Look at the picture of the person getting arrested. Does this look like someone who has a clear, well thought out message. And who paid for the busses that brought the students 450 miles to the protest? These kids are only pawns in a larger game supported by organized labor.

California's University System was sold out by the Pete Wilson and Arnold Schwarznegger Administrations long before our current governor took office. Schwarznegger forced the closure of FIVE Univeristy and State University Nursing Programs by giving $90 Billion to Sutter Health to educate Baccalaureate Degree'd Nurses in three years. That money cut into recruitment and retention of Professors to adequately teach Professional Nurses in the State. I was educated in the CA Public School System when Brown, Jr. was governor first time around...our schools were the best in the Nation. I received a stellar education by the best teachers available. CA has systematically been run into the ground by subsequent governors who have cut taxes, brought in so many wealthy from other states to relocate here (property taxes are so low.) to build their mansions on or near the richest and most beautiful natural resources their billions could buy. Our schools have declined in the past thirty years into third world status. Teachers are now breaking up fights instead of teaching with updated standards. Tuition has increased to export students from other countries: ie: Dubai. Check the stats. There are more Saudi Students attending UCSD, San Diego State than local students. It has now become a commdity on the world market. Professors? We have to import them. Very few PhD's and dooctoral students are left in the US to teach at the University level.

Tell the Occupy people to make a choice, either make Jerry Brown cut off benefits to illegal aliens or pay higher tuition rates. It's that simple. If California wants to be a sanctuary state for illegals, the residents/taxpayers better understand there is a HUGE cost to that if they don't already know it.

And where's the liberal Hollywood crowd? Here's an idea, confiscate all of their earnings over $300,000 a year and give it to the state. They ARE 1%-ers after all. Make them pay! If they can't get by on $300,000 a year, too bad.

These morons think this is a game. They should have some serious penalties, both financial and some lengthy jail time. Then we'll see if they smile when they're being carted away.

And we are supposed to have respect for 'occupiers' like that goofball in the article's photo ???

Last week "Ben & Jerry's" ice cream empire announced it is creating a fund to pay salaries to 'occupy' activists. So Ben & Jerry pay the occupiers, while taxpayers pay the costs of police overtime and for cleaning and disinfecting the urine soaked encampments.

Ben & Jerry's little buckets will no longer be found in either of my freezers...period. Hello 'Haagen Das'...and a great big goodbye to Ben, Jerry, and their little group of paid stooges.

that looks like a 10 year old kid being dragged to jail. sad.

Richard...

The occupiers' motto is "This is what democracy looks like".

Then I guess "democracy" looks like the goofball in the photo.

Yup a recent graduate. Now you know why America is in the toilet, with future generations like this.

Hey Newt, If you didn't vote for your responce nobody would.

At least I vote!

I fear for Americas future.

Jerry Brown is an Idiot. Newt, what planet are you on?

Yes, here we have "NewtISaPIG, a Pseudo-Liberal demonstrating even in the name chosen to participate in this party, the following:

HATE

BIGOTRY

INTOLERANCE

CONDESCENSION

PREJUDICE

STEREOTYPING

ILL-WILL

BIAS

DISCRIMINATION

SECTARIANISM

CHAUVINISM

ILLIBERALITY

UMBRAGE

RACISM

SEGREGATION

DOGMATISM

SPLEEN/VENOM

KNUCKLE DRAGGINITIS

as well as many other maladies which he/she would claim are the sole property of those whom his/her opposition. So "newt" tell the world, if you could wish other humans into the cornfield, who would you hand the one way tickets out to, and how many of them would you have disappear from the face of the Earth?

It would surely be too time consuming to name individuals or small groups, so by all means, feel free to include large groups in the name of efficiency.

In case of a short circuit in your brain caused by your outrage over this article, allow me to jog your braincells with a few reminders gleaned from other cyber octagons:

Conservatives

Republicans

Christians

Baby Boomers

Bible Thumpers

Southerners

Caucasians

authors, talk show hosts, reporters, bloggers all right of center, of course)

law enforcement officers

military

politicians

business executives

investors

other people of faith (not Muslims though, that would be intolerant to single them out for liquidation)

the "rich"

the 1%

You're looking at at least 200,000,000 humans who will need to be "processed".

How do Pseudo-Liberals, such as yourself reconcile the HATE you espouse with the true values of the liberal movement?

Yes, here we have "NewtISaPIG, a Pseudo-Liberal demonstrating even in the name chosen to participate in this party, the following:

HATE

BIGOTRY

INTOLERANCE

CONDESCENSION

PREJUDICE

STEREOTYPING

ILL-WILL

BIAS

DISCRIMINATION

SECTARIANISM

CHAUVINISM

ILLIBERALITY

UMBRAGE

RACISM

SEGREGATION

DOGMATISM

SPLEEN/VENOM

KNUCKLE DRAGGINITIS

as well as many other maladies which he/she would claim are the sole property of those whom his/her opposition. So "newt" tell the world, if you could wish other humans into the cornfield, who would you hand the one way tickets out to, and how many of them would you have disappear from the face of the Earth?

It would surely be too time consuming to name individuals or small groups, so by all means, feel free to include large groups in the name of efficiency.

In case of a short circuit in your brain caused by your outrage over this article, allow me to jog your braincells with a few reminders gleaned from other cyber octagons:

Conservatives

Republicans

Christians

Baby Boomers

Bible Thumpers

Southerners

Caucasians

authors, talk show hosts, reporters, bloggers all right of center, of course)

law enforcement officers

military

politicians

business executives

investors

other people of faith (not Muslims though, that would be intolerant to single them out for liquidation)

the "rich"

the 1%

You're looking at at least 200,000,000 humans who will need to be "processed".

How do Pseudo-Liberals, such as yourself reconcile the HATE you espouse with the true values of the liberal movement?

Since I fall into at least three of those groups if not more I figure that I have about a year before I take a vacation in a federal pen. What are the liberals going to do when 1) I refuse heathcare under the current guidelines and 2) I refuse to pay the fine? Better build more prisons because when people can't speak they act instead. I'm not the one you have to fear. Fear the one who will act aggresively. Let people speak and listening wouldn't hurt either.

"We are doing this for your kids !" Those self-appointed know-it-alls ! I am sure the parents are quite capable of handling their own problems !

The picture shows how serious the protesters are. Having fun at taxpayers' expense. Spoilt brats !

Kyle and Riverman,

I was thinking the same thing, hahaha. When will be realize if you want to be taken serious then be serious. She is automatically downplaying the importance by making this goofy face. I didn't even read the article after seeing the pic.

^people realize not be realize. No idea why I typed that.

Or our next president. LOL.

Looking at that picture makes me understand why the Occupy movement flopped. If she's an example of their membership.

riverman-654462

Looks like they are dragging out the village idiot.

Riverman, you made quite a "brilliant" and scholarly constitutional remark.

Where did you read that the constitution gave rights only to Americans that walk with 2 feet?

The female protester appears to be a student with a severe body impairment.

She clearly has guts and is willing...as best as she can...to stand up for what she believes in.

I wonder if you would be as brave to go out and protest, rather than easily make "idiotic" remarks on this forum.

I says that she is a better person "sitting down" than you are "standing up."

That's one of the students that skipped school to protest education cuts. Oh, the irony.

Say rather that they are dragging out someone who is spoiled rotten and has NEVER had to work for ANYTHING in their lives.

25Walker

How can you determine her physical or mental condition from that picture?

She does have a Daffy Duck look but then maybe shes just always "happy."

It's a way of manipulating the public.

Of all the pictures they could have printed, they chose this one.

Sounds like it is working, considering the posts here.

She looks like one of those ventriloquist dummies.

This is just starting. You are going to have protestors that outnumber the ones from Vietnam in about 2 years. My parents generation put them down as stupid and irrational too. It didn't get them out of the streets. It became a badge of honor to get arrested for your beliefs. We are moving in that same direction. We are trying to gag anyone we don't want to hear. That doesn't change their beliefs it just polarizes the country. They will become more adament the more you clamp down on them.

They will become more adamant the more we clamp down on them ? Didn't anyone tell them about the responsible, democratic way to choose our representatives ? Something called "vote?" Why do they believe that mob rule is part of our democracy ? Is that what they were taught in the instiutions of higher learning n California ?

25walker, a lot of these protesters go limp forcing law enforcement officers to carry them, often twisting after they're picked up to make the task all the more difficult resulting in injuries to the officers. I can tell you from personal experience that it is quite difficult to carry a squirming person. Then when officers get injured and have to rehab they still get paid while their employer (read tax payers) pay the medical bills as well as the overtime of those to take their place on duty. What these protesters actually accomplish is inflating the cost of law enforcement due to the riot squads (most on overtime) staging just in case, then cost of transport and booking, determining whether the suspects are prosecuted, and injuries to officers. Then they complain about the high cost of law enforcement, which they helped inflate by their going beyond a lawful protest, which takes even more money from education. Its called cause and effect, but being mere college students we can't expect them to think beyond their own immediate needs and wants. All this in a state where they want to increase taxes on the top wage earners, who have been responding for years by simply moving out of the state leaving less top wage earners. And most of the Hollywood elite who support these shenanigans have primary residences in other states so they don't even pay taxes in California.

out in the woods, "Didn't anyone tell them about the responsible, democratic way to choose our representatives ? Something called "vote?"

Guess you have not heard about voter fraud? It has happened in every state so far. Some information on it.

“Bender Bending Rodriguez” better known as simply Bender, from the television series Futurama, was elected to the 2010 school board in Washington DC. That’s right; a cartoon character was written in and won by a landslide, thanks to the hard work of hackers from the University of Michigan.

The most astounding part of the whole story is that it only took them a few hours to accomplish the feat.

The hacking was not carried out by so-called “black hat” hackers or individuals operating under the ambiguous label of Anonymous (although it seems like it would be given the popularity of Futurama), this was actually sanctioned by the Washington DC school board itself.

The DC school board challenged hackers to comprise their new Internet-based voting system for absentees just four days ahead of the actual election.

Alexander Halderman a professor at the University of Michigan and two graduate students cracked the system and elected Bender in just a few hours, dealing yet another blow to the false sense of security surrounding electronic voting systems.

I didn’t think it could get any worse than the discovery that just $10 and a basic grasp of electronics is all that is needed to hack into a Diebold voting machine, but clearly I was wrong.

Indeed, when a Vulnerability Assessment Team from the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois tested the machines, they found that a hacker was even able to change the votes of a random individual without their knowledge.

“We believe these man-in-the-middle attacks are potentially possible on a wide variety of electronic voting machines, Roger Johnston, the leader of the team, said at the time. “We think we can do similar things on pretty much every electronic voting machine.” Is there really any more proof anyone needs to show that electronic voting systems are inherently insecure and therefore completely nonviable? Electing Bender to a school board is just adding insult to injury at this point.

Halderman and his team discovered that they were able to use a shell injection vulnerability after looking at the electronic voting system’s framework built on Ruby on Rails....

If you will actually bother to check, you will find that each state (2012 GOP race) has had Voter Fraud committed. So, how can we the people trust that the person elected is OUR choice? At this time we cannot. But we can demand we go back to paper and marking our own NOW, and then choose the best we can for the ones to count and the ones who watch over OUR polls. Though, part of the problem has also been the people involved in the voting process (not the voters), the machines, the software, the company the information runs through before getting "tallied" and the choice made.

Can we start fighting for a LEGAL and HONEST vote?

Kim-3137919 It's a way of manipulating the public. Of all the pictures they could have printed, they chose this one. Sounds like it is working, considering the posts here.

Unfortunately for the OWS groups, this website is fairly liberal meaning that to show them in a favorable light, this is probably the most intelligent looking protester they could find.

knine

what possible difference does it make who votes for who

when the elite in power only allow a couple of choices?

Does anyone that runs for office have a chance unless some big money supporters are behind them?

and, if you put up big money for a candidate don't you get something in return?

Bush had oil and Obama has Unions either way its a farce perpetrated on the people who are hoodwinked into believing that we really do have a democracy,

yes you can vote for whoever they allow to run

Yep the police are taking them up by their arms and dragging them out, the other alternative is to drag them by their feet and let the heads bounce on the stairs, which may improve their intelligence

"Protesters chanted 'We're doing this for your kids'..."

Yes, to leave our kids with a crushing debt. Thank you SO much. (sarcasm)

grownupguy--you know, there used to be a time honored tradition--IF kid's parents were not responsible enough to save for their kids' college, then the kids either had to work EXTRA hard in HS to qualify for scholarships, AND/OR those kids got JOBS and worked their way thru college.

You are NOT entitled to go to the most expensive schools available and expect someone ELSE to foot the bill.

And I have to tell you that when a student is paying for his OWN education, two things tend to happen:1, they work harder, because THEY know the sacrifice involved to get that education and 2, they tend to NOT major in fluff majors that will not prepare them to make a decent living when they retire. Yep--all you English Majors, humanities majors, Poly Psi majors, etc--what job do you think those prepare you for???

and no where do you even think to say...cut spending...how very typical. No worries it is easy to spend other people's money.

Now that was funny Viknat.

MOmaid, "Yep--all you English Majors, humanities majors, Poly Psi majors, etc--what job do you think those prepare you for?"

Politics?

Yep...You got the first laugh of the day out of me.... LOL

Funny but in truth I see a time when all these groups realize that you are the enemy of their freedom and band together. Then these idiots are standing with people who see healthcare as a restiction on their freedom and nobody cares whether their goals are inconsistant with each other.They just see the restriction on their rights to voice their concerns. I actually saw that happen at one protest during the Vietnam war.Both sides started yelling at the cops instead of at each other.

Why? See is expressing her right to protest unfair treatment.

Civilized countries educate their populace. The flat earth society that is conservatrds wants a dumbed down, easily controlled population.

UNFAIR treatment? what part of this spoiled punk wanting others to pay for their education do YOU think is fair?

And I'll make you a bet--MOST of the kids protesting will 'somehow' find a way if and when they DO graduate from college, to STAY in school, or become a "community organizer" or some other occupation (or just go home and live with the folks) rather than working and paying taxes themselves.

But grownupguy it is not the conservatives who are resticting free speech in this country. It is the liberal administration. Your community organizer doesn't want anybody else to organize. He doesn't want anybody else to stand up for the constitution. He is sure he has all the answers and can force others to his will. There are three outcomes every time a fight is imminent win, lose or retire from the field and let your enemy win an empty field. I see one group contemplating the third option now.

MOmaid, you do not know she is a "spoiled punk". Nor do you know if she is working her way through college, but protesting that we should pay for illegals to attend, but that Americans are denied the same within OUR own country.

She is, and the other protestors are, also doing something you might not understand, using the natural rights that our US Constitution guarantees that no one who serves in our fed gov can ever LEGALLY take away. That anyone who serves within our federal government (any branch of it) who does so is an domestic enemy working to destroy this nation.

There is a free online Constitution 101 college class, search it (Michigan). It is taught entirely from original documents so you know it is not another persons concept of what it means. Try it, you might learn why OUR type of gov, inspite of the damage caused by years of domestic enemies, is worth keeping. (yes, you would be starting a week late, but it is fine and not hard to catch up)

That's the problem...the extreme tuition hikes in the last few years have double/tripled the cost to the point that no one can afford to attend without assistance and loans.

My guess is that is what the college is counting on, taking more money from students than they can afford. So they are forced to pile on mounds of debt.

I mean really, who can afford that kind of money straight out of high school?

I can agree with that. I know a lot of people who put themselves through college, without taxpayer help. But at that time, there were a lot more jobs available than there is now.

Spoken like a true selfish moron.

Please move to Somalia. You'll love it there.

Well, now, that was an intelligent response. You don't sound very "grown up".

Actually, not a bad idea. If government subsidies for education were cut out, the research institutions could concentrate on obtaining grants, and the law of supply and demand would take care of the rest. I suspect that within five years the prices of higher education would drop to attract the smaller pool of applicants.

Interesting thought...wonder what will happen to all those people who can't afford college and can't find work because they lack an education.

I mean, there are only so many blue collar jobs to go around. With the population expanding disproportionately to jobs...

It's a real problem.

Denver Bill--NOT sure that would help that much. The big colleges are run by and taught by big LABOR.

When my daughter was in college studying to be a music teacher, she had to have 147 HOURS of credits (a normal BS was about 126) and that included 13 hours of a SCIENCE block. The University line was that forcing her to take an entire semester of Botany, Chemistry, etc. would make her a better teacher.

When actually, what it did was gave the science department a bunch of involuntary students so that they could justify enough teachers/grad assistants to ALSO justify the number of full Profs they had on staff who barely did ANY teaching themselves.

And believe me, I KNOW we need more/better science education in this country. Getting it from people who have NO desire or talent for it is NOT the way to make our science ed BETTER.

Oh, and I felt the SAME way for any person who wanted to be a math teacher that had to take ART for the same reason. They need more MATH, not more "make work hours" to justify the jobs of tenured teachers.

You can cry all you want about not being able to afford college and the availability of jobs. I paid for my own education WITHOUT any assistance. NOTHING is free. Look in your driveway, or your neighbors, to see just PART of the problem as to why this country is collapsing and there is NO money here. Want jobs? Want a better economy? Want a brighter and more prosperous future? BUY AMERICAN!!! It is the ONLY way out of this mess. LEARN IT!!! But then YOU don't want to hear that you want everything handed to you and to Hell with the country and everyone else. It is ALL about ME, ME, ME. Get over yourself.

There's always The Peace Corp for those willing to travel, work hard and make a few sacrifices but then this is a different generation. www.peacecorps.gov

MOmaid,

I disagree with you on both counts

Regarding big labor in schools, I believe that most people, given the choice of taking a pay cut or finding another job, will act in the way that they believe serves them best. In the case of higher education teachers, that choice would probably be to take the pay cut.

Regarding a Liberal Arts and Sciences degree, I believe that it is important for people to get a well-rounded education, which will include courses that they may not otherwise be exposed to. Thus, a mathematician profits by knowing something of psychology and a music teacher profits by knowing some mathematics. And everyone would profit by a little philosophy, even though jobs for philosophers are few and far between. As another example, I think high school boys would profit from the Home Economics class and high school girls would profit from the Auto Mechanics class.

With tenure they do not have to take a pay cut since their position is guaranteed. Have you seen what happened in Wisconsin, New Jersey, Ohio.

The problem is that HS used to prepare people for a decent if not fancy job now it doesn't. Trades used to run apprenticeship programs that really worked. We have promoted the four year college so much there are more graduates than jobs. And most of them will finally end up working in jobs that don't require a college degree out of neccesity. You can starve being overqualified too. About half of these kids would have been happier going through a two year course at community college that prepared them for a real job. But we told them you need that four year degree. When I graduated in 71 we had the same problem schools promote the jobs needed at the beginning of your schooling. Well at the beginning of my schooling the need for teachers was high 5 years later they were closing schools in my area because the baby boom had ended at they didn't have the students to fill them. But the colleges had turned out a lot of people who could teach and there wern't enough job openings.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION Comrade.

poodlefan007...

PLEASE educate us uneducated morons. We have NO idea what to do or say. PLEASE give us the wisdom we seek and guide us to Nirvana.

Seriously, what do YOU suggest.... to say something is broken is EASY. To provide the FIX is difficult. What are the brilliant strategies YOU have to correct the ills you mentioned?

I have a black poodle. best friend I ever had. I feed him, house him, take care of his medical. His name is shadow, I guess I could have named him welfare.

Guess I'm living off the poor, then! Now if you'll excuse me, it's time to get to work.

Poodle Fan 007:

I get ticked at the rich as well. But what is the alternative? Stalin? Mao? Trotsky? Mengenstu? Pol Pot? Mugabe? Tourre? Allende? Hoxha? Caucescu? Assad? Siad Barre?... All these blokes offered was war, starvation, poverty, and death. They eliminated the trappings of the rich, only to take it on themselves. The blood and body count of Marxism, per an um, is only exceeded by that of the Third Reich. Marxist regimes have killed far more than the Third Reich as they have had nearly a century to do it.

John Acton is right. "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men" **

William Pitt the Elder said a Century Earlier: "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"***

Middle of the road policies are boring, frustrating, and dull. But they are also safe, have greater certainty, and do not kill millions of people. I will take Madison over Marx any day.

Think about it.....

** From a letter to Bishop Creighton, 1887

*** Speech to the House of Lords, 1770

POODLE....

YOU made statements and I asked for YOUR alternatives.

Obviously YOU are only capable of complaining how bad your life is but are totally incapable of providing any viable alternatives.

What a pathetic loser.

You do know what is the USUAL result when the revolutions take place and they kick out all the old power people?

The NEW government folks suddenly find ways to make themselves be JUST what they just kicked out. Money, power, corruption. Only they are a lot more suspicious of anyone with education/popularity, because they KNOW how easy it is to kick people out of power.

T.R. Stalin's "pogrom" victims are estimated at 18,000,00-40,000,000 which is even leaves Hitler in the dust if we're just comparing numbers.

However, even his legacy would pale in comparison to some of our Pseudo-Liberals of the new "enlightened" generation. Why, cyber octagons everywhere are laced with mass death wishes to anyone who opposes their ideas.

There must be at least 200,000,000 humans with conservative leanings in our country....

I see, they are so disgusted with "old fashioned" thinking that those who hold those views should be liquidated in the name of stamping out INTOLERANCE.....?

REALLY....?

Who can step up to the plate here and reconcile the sentiments behind the widespread spewage of HATE which range anywhere from a simple insult to mass murder statements and reconcile them with the true values of the liberal movement.....?

Those issues divide us so we don't see that the restriction of our freedoms is the real danger. What freedom I don't have today you don't have tomorrow. When a federal judge pre-censors a speech by the person you don't agree with and you don't stand up then when the tide turns, and it always does, you will be the one being censored. You may not like my views but gaging me so you don't hear them is not the answer. There are many issues I don't agree with liberals on but I firmly believe in your right to elucidate them. Please give me the same rights. You can't convince me by calling me names. You don't convince me to the rightness of your views by forcing me to do what you want by law. Try explaining without getting hysterical why your view is right then listen to what I say not what you think I say.Don't tell me what I believe let me tell you. I haven't heard one arguement from liberals or women that doesn't start out by attacking me on a personal level before you even hear what I think.

It is impossible to reason with folks that refuse any thought that may be contrary to their own. The fact that we refuse to consider other views is proving to be our undoing. The conflict makes good media sales but also works counter-productive to our country's welfare. Censoring and incarcerating people with opposing views is not the way to solve issues. Food for thought: We just about destroyed Japan in the early 40's; look at their country today in the light of no federal hand-outs or economic programs to subsidize the disadvantaged or lazy. They are doing something right that we are not doing: assuming responsibility for themselves and not depending upon big government to redistribute the wealth in the false hope of making everybody equal. You cannot make the poor and/or uneducated, unmotivated majority successful and prosperous by giving them money earned and owned by others. Big government trying to micro-manage the people and restrict their rights is certainly not the answer and never has been.

I live in a state with NO income tax, and a short drive away is a state with no sales tax. Plus there is no sales taxes on food here either.

Yes, since you left there is much less whining in California.

Me too SallyAnn. And I find I have everything I need in government services. Most of our kids even down here in the land where the minority is 80% of the population are finding ways to get to college if they want to. There are programs in the schools to help kids get a head start on finding the funding for college. We have 2 community colleges and a four year college in the county.But of course the rest of the country calls us backward.

I agree, you "don't think", at least not very well.

The "rich" are the people with lots of money and all the breaks their socio-economic status secure them.Buying policy in Washington and at the state level has served them very well.

The "poor" are the people with little or no money. Those who can't afford to buy politicians, or legislation that might level the playing field.

And yet, there are always examples of those who, with NO advantages other than hard work and aspirations, are able to work their way OUT of poverty.

I don't know of ANYONE who ever got out of poverty by making someone else pay for it.

grownupguy - So you see only two groups of people - those with lots of money (whatever that is - sounds like it might be more than $5 in your pocket) and those with little or no money. I guess I do fall into the rich category by your definition. Everything I have and own I have worked hard for and without government assistance. I would much rather live my life with a sense of accomplishment than a feeling of entitlement. The only thing that will level the playing field is ambition, determination, and hard work.

Grownupguy, then it sounds like you need to find that extra incentive to become wealthy huh? You know that Focus on life to excel off your own accomplishments and not that of others? Freeloaders usually are failures. No? The playing field would be leveled if we ALL went out and took ourselves to the next levels and worked hard to succeed. NOT the rich handing out to the lazy f s that want to sit on the couch all day and watch the tube. Get it? Dip####

You can avoid most of the irrelevant spending major colleges do by going to community colleges.

MOmaid, you don't know much about the California community college system, so why do you think you have anything to add to the discussion?

You can't get a bachelors degree at a CC -- they're two-year institutions.

Unless your batchlors degree is in something that actually gets you a job it isn't worth any more than the Associate degree in something that actually trains you for a JOB. Just having a BA/BS means nothing unless it actually helps you earn a living.

The first two years are nice and cheap at a community college, deedee.

Do you look down on those who first do two years at a community college? Do you turn up your nose at the incredible savings available?

Poor people have their own way to be snobs and often put status over good money management. Making choices based on status is a huge risk factor to make someone poor.

Buy a new car, nice clothes and a big house, but don't pay down your debts. Then complain that you can't afford to pay off your huge, voluntary debt-load, and whine about those who first lived cheap, studied (cheaply), worked and paid off their debts--and then got their reward.

I know which type of person I want managing our society and making economic decisions with their influence. Not poor snobs who won't learn and instead loudly persist in saying things are pure luck that aren't luck.

viknat Can you understand that this Southern Catholic respects that kids right to express his opinion even if I don't agree with it. I don't fear a bunch of people shouting slogans. I fear a bunch of people who feel their right to shout slogans has been taken away from them. If our government keeps restrcting our rights under the forst amendment we will end up with a bunch of people who feel disenfranchised. They will be more dangerous than some kid shouting slogans. Shouting slogans never killed anybody yet.

Now wait a minute...remember, these kids are coming out of high school into the "Great Recession", they don't have the opportunities we had when we were their age. I'd be angry also, matter of fact I'm pretty angry about what is happening in this country at this point as well.

I'm not talking about hand outs, I'm talking about opportunities. People that want to work can't find real employment. People with degrees are being forced to work at minimum wage, jobs that should be going to these kids, just to have some kind of income because there are no jobs out there.

Entitled? Yes, they should be entitled to opportunities to work, fair tuition rates and a chance to better themselves. This is America.

Then go get a job. The jobs won't come to you. Illegals know how to do it. I personally graduated during the Carter administration and the jobs situation was equally bad, if not worse than it is today. I drove to Houston where there were jobs. There are pockets of jobs for college grads with practical degrees today. If they can't pay the damn tuitions, go to a cheaper school. That's called competition. Yeah, these kids feel entitled to a job and "fair" tuitions. Fair share, right?

@kim, well said.

We could increase domestic production by increasing the tariffs on imported goods. Worked for the founders.

I'd be happy to pay a bit more to ensure my fellow citizens have a job, health care, and a quality education.

Then again, I'm not a conservatard.

No, the only thing worse than this "Great Recession" was the Depression. You don't get out much do you?

Kim,

You're young and naive, aren't you? To the entitled crowd of the late 70's, the Carter economy was a depression. I have worked in ten different states in the last 33 years. How many different industries have you worked?

Kim....

You want opportunities here in the US? There really IS a simple solution.

BUY AMERICAN.

Producer nations grow and prosper. Look at China and India for examples. Hell look at America BEFORE we outsourced all of our labor industries.

If you want to see consumer nations, look at Greece and now America. With NO factories making CONSUMER products, all we have become is the dumping ground of cheaply made imported products.

If you REALLY want to know who is at fault for our current situation, look in the mirror... everyone, look in the mirror.

Road Warrior,

I'm almost retired. Worked all my life.

Do you have IPOD? Do you shop at Walmart? "Buy American" was a Slogan used to stop buying Foreign Cars My first Job was with Uncle Sam in Viet Nam. After that there was a rescission and inflation caused by Johnson's spending. Oh by the way I have 2 degrees

That whole buy american thing was crap your GM car has radios and eletronic components assembled in Mexico. Even some refrigerators you buy tagged made in the USA were assembled in Mexico. And the switches in your Black and Decker drill in Matamoros Mexico. It has been that way since the 1960's. Our military jets have components made in Mexico. But do they tell you the Honda next to you is built in Ohio or the Toyota truck is built in Texas and lets see Nissan Tennessee. I think BMW has a plant in one of the Carolinas. It was just to promote 3 companies.

Kim, you might have had it easier than kids today, but I didn't. Do you owe me because I had it harder than you?

Hard doesn't mean impossible. It just means hard. There is nothing wrong with hard.

If these occupy kids made poor choices and got themselves an education worth nothing to others, or stupidly paid too much for their degree--then they need to learn from that and do better in the future. They're young and have many years to fix their mistakes by making different choices.

They have too many people encouraging them to make excuses and blame others, right now.

Good, let them go. Do not allow them to return.

Deport anyone with money hidden in the Caymen Islands(mitt romney), or anyone with a Swiss bank account.

They are economic traitors, and should be treated as such.

grownupguy... really????? grown up?? you sound like a petulant spoiled brat.

I really hate to break your bubble, but when was the last time a poor person hired you or gave you a job?

Or paid for YOUR share of the income taxes this country collects.

Deport anyone with money hidden in the Caymen Islands(mitt romney), or anyone with a Swiss bank account.

They are economic traitors, and should be treated as such.

But only if they're Republicans, Libbies excluded because you say so.

I may be collecting SS but I had money deducted from every paycheck for 42 years so I could collect $886 a month. I quit because I couldn't stand all day or climb stairs anymore (bad knees). If you want my $886 back just wait. When I refuse my medicare because of moral grounds and don't pay the fine when they jail me on federal charges they will take it away anyway.

Rush is that you?....must be nice to make up both sides of the conversation, its much much easier than actually listening to what someone says and culminating anintelligent rebuttal.

plstop--I THINK if you'd bothered to READ what Ms. Fluke said, it was $3000 for LAWSCHOOL--or about $1000 a year. And counting the OBGYN visits, the testing to make sure you don't react badly to the pill, and the pill itself, that is about right.

And if you react badly to the pill it is not reversible if you stop. Then all the womens rights type couln't care less about the $40,000 in medical bills you'll have or the fact that your new doctor isn't an OB/GYN but a vascular surgeon you see every other week.

Law school was a very poor choice for a major. And has been for some years now.

I don't think many things should be mandated to be paid for by insurance. Insurance providers can compete to provide minimal, moderate, or luxury packages, and let market competition decide things.

When what insurance provides is mandated by law, we run into problems.

Maybe religious organizations could choose to opt out of coverage and raise pay according to what they would have provided for medical coverage. Then each individual can just shop for whatever they want insurance-wise. And if they want the ability to shop, they need to make choices that don't leave them too poor to do so. And ask for charity if they can't change--lots of generous people out there, of all religious persuasions, including atheism (no problem with contraception there).

Problem solved.

Sounds great, except that most 4-year institutions have a maximum number of hours you can work. They don't want people taking just a class or two at a time -- they want full time students.

Astonishing how many people spouting their opinions on the vine know nothing about the topic at hand.

Deedee, are you for real? You can take a full load, and work full time. It isn't easy, but--yeah you can.

It sounds like you just think young people should have fun in college and that is why everyone else needs to pay for them? Because I admit--there isn't room for fun with a full-load and full-time work.

My daughter just got turned down to attend Long Beach State with a 4.0 because there are not enough classes. I am paying for her education and She can't get in because we have to provide for illegals to attend. Something is wrong with this picture.