... ooh, boy.

Neither one of you, BLS or The Lunatic ( Great name ), neither one of you mentioned anything except getting rid of all guns and your "Opinion" on Americans and their Guns... When do you peoeple decide to blame those who are behind the gun?. Now I understand you are both completely, obviously, anti-gun, you know what? I get sick of hearing news stories of kids getting guns and shooting someone, someone taking a gun and going to their work place and killing someone because they lost their job, but you know WHAT?
When it comes to kids, alot of times it's because the parents are wreckless as to put their weapons up properly in a locked gun case, they don't use trigger locks, they have them where they are easily reached by kids. But to blame guns as the problem? Get a grip on yourselves seriously. First off goodluck getting rid of all guns, you should have a great time with that.
Guns are not the problem, the problem is people are just plain friggin nuts these days, everyone is so easily angered they don't care about cooling off, coming to terms with something, or even just talking it out... They would just assume make somebody HURT rather than anything else.
But getting rid of my guns and everyone elses will not stop it from happening, murder and death happened long before guns were created. Guns are not the only weapons in the wrong hands that can kill somebody. Why don't you cowards both grow up and stop blaming INANIMATE OBJECTS as the problem to everything in this world. BLAME THE PEOPLE for what they do, not the guns. I understand you people need somebody to blame... try blaming the bastard behind the gun. That gun didn't walk into the building itself.

"People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically 'right.' Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. Wear a gun to someone else's house, you're saying, 'I'll defend this home as if it were my own.' When your guests see you carry a weapon, you're telling them, 'I'll defend you as if you were my own family.' And anyone who objects, levels the deadliest insult possible: 'I don't trust you unless you're rendered harmless'!"

I eagerly await to read the plans of the gun grabbers to force criminals to give up their firearms.

Guns don't kill people! Mentally unstable people, kill people. I'm a gun owner, I sure hope it doesn't pop out of its locked box in the middle night and kill me. O wait, that's right...it would take a psycho picking it up, loading it, and making the decision to shoot. I've heard of people being killed with gulf clubs, maybe we should outlaw those scary things.

Funny thing is, the gun used was ALLREADY ILLEGAL.

And honestly, sounds like this guy was so pissed of that even if he didnt have a gun that headmaster was going down one way or the other.

"Funny thing is, the gun used was ALLREADY ILLEGAL..."

Probably not. I doubt that it was fully automatic.

By all indications, this coward deserved to be fired. What a man, shooting someone because he lost his job. This has happened to everyone at one point or another. Whatever happened to moving on?

Whatever happened to moving on? This is what happens when people promote blue ribbons and cake for every child that participates, and not letting them experience disapointments in life. So when the real world comes a crawling, these people don't know how to handle it and turn to Modern Warfare to cope.

On a side note, guns are not going away just like idiots who think banning something would actually cure mentally unstabled people or desolve killings.

I can't believe this happened at a Christian school, Episcopal School! <Note sarcasm in voice...>

"Thou shalt not kill" Did the teacher over look that one?

wonder why he was fired...

AK's are only Illegal if they are Automatic, personally being a gun owner I don't know why anybody wants or needs an AK but it doesn't matter.

Guns do not kill people, people behind the gun kill people, you can twist and turn it all you like but that gun didn't hop up and decide to go shoot anybody.

Sandy don't try to sound like a know it all when it comes to peoples and their emotions, fact is you don't have a clue what anybody would do, people are stabbed to death everyday, people are bludgeoned to death everyday, but the only time all you little cowards come out of your shells is when a gun has jumped up off a table and shot somebody again. Thats the only time. But you know something? I would still defend your well being if I saw someone trying to rape you, kill you, or mug you, I would protect you and all these other cowards as well, while I may not WANT to because you asked not to have protection, I would do it because thats why I carry, to protect myself and those who are to scared to do so.

In 1985, the National Institute for Justice reported that:

60% of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun."
57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."
74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."

Anti Gun Folk - Passing restrictive laws against guns, will reduce gun crimes. ( Address all crime and not just crime with guns. To date, no gun law has been proven to reduce crime or homicides, not even the Brady Law. )

The "easy availability" of guns today is the cause of so much crime. ( Crime was lower when guns were easier to buy before 1968, when you could buy a gun with no paperwork and walk out with it. No Form 4473, No Brady Form, No background check, No waiting periods. Before 1968 guns were available through mail order catalogs too. )

People can't be trusted with guns which is why we need a gun ban. ( If the people can't be trusted, why do you trust them to obey such a law?)

another loser coward that can't deal with rejection. Next time I hope these kinds of jerks just skip a step and off themselves going forward.

To paraphrase Archie Bunker " Would you feel better if he pushed her out a window?" What is up with that schools security? You never let a fired employee return.

On a more relevant note.. it's not a great idea to close the school for the next 13 days. These kids need to get back into a normal mode of interacting (and grieving) with their peers and their school. The longer they are away from that environment the more the fear is going to build. I can't imagine that they had a 2 week spring break scheduled. Counselors and "pastoral care" (whatever that entails) may be good, but in 2 weeks the trauma is going to re-emerge when they have to walk into that school. Administration, please reach out to a CISM (Critical Incident Stress Management) Team and accept some suggestions/help.

Today no one is safe, you handle money your not safe, if you are in a position higher than entry level your life is at risk, now do we call this progress, I don't think so ....

Devil's son, schools usually don't have security at every corner, and private schools keep cost down by not having security. The private school I was at, one of the best in the state, the only security they had was the maintenance crew.

@Sandy,

No they don't use coping skills anymore because conservatives are always banging the drum about getting even and promoting guns for all like giving away candy to children. So don't expect people like that to use calm or reason.

Since you're taking the inevitable political overtone.....please provide references to your statement that "conservatives are always banging the drum about getting even...etc". Like....seriously, PROVIDE a documented reference to your statement. Or is that just pure conjecture rattling around in your head?

I work at a private school and the security is very tight. That being said you can stop everything. Schools have had armed guards and bad stuff still happens. Crazy minds are hard to control!!

Good post, AmericanDefender. Some of the comments I see here are just mind-boggling. I am starting to believe that those on the far left are just as crazy as those on the far right. We need to work together, people!!

TexasLaw might want to reconsider his thoughts about trigger locks. After all, his advocacy of gun locks puts him at odds with his NRA good buddies. The estimable Charlton Heston, mouthpiece for the NRA, opines that the trigger lock is a "ludicrous invention." What's the point of taking time to put a trigger lock on your weapon when you can just remove the bullets? Others say that government-mandated trigger locks are just a step down the slippery slope leading to "Smart Guns," weapons that are apparently smart enough never to miss, whether friend or foe. (I really don't know about these things, but I'm sure one of you Neo-Nazi gun fanatics will educate me on the importance of never allowing the government to say anything about gun ownership and gun usage. Please, though, don't come gunning for me just because I express an opinion. I'm not like that Fluke women, neither a slut nor a prostitute, so I don't deserve death. I am a Democrat, but I did vote for a Republican once. Spare me.)

takenaka

Pay a bounty to get guns off the street. People will turn them in for cash. Ban them now.

Yea I am sure criminals will line up to sell their guns for some cash when they use them to make so much more in to commission of a crime, say robbery.

An NRA spokesperson later defended the right of any person to own and fire an AK-47. The spokesperson did however, condemn the sale of guitar cases absent a background check and a 1 month waiting period.

Why would I want to reconsider my thoughts on Trigger locks?. See now, you are being very ignorant. 1. Yes you can take the bullets out of the gun instead of a Trigger lock, but a kid or anybody else can just get bullets from somewhere else. Someone may not have a gun cabinet to lock their guns in, so they could use a Trigger lock to keep anyone from doing something with the gun if heaven forbid they get a hold of it somehow. Now you obviously being this Anti-Gun Person, are really going to say me mentioning PROPER ways to keep a firearm from being used or proper ways of storing a gun... is laducris? Seriously? You people bash every gun owner at every chance possible, here I am mentioning proper ways of storing a gun and yet I should reconsider my ways?. Give me a break here.

You are just another coward in the crowd is all you are. I know a few people who need to talk a long walk off a short pier and do everyone a favor. You'll never see beyond your idiotic ideas.

"Guns are not always the answer, but obtaining a firearm has saved the lives of many... While I favor keeping guns out of the hands of felons, youths and the mentally impaired, I oppose adding more bureaucratic obstacles that attempt to fight crime by disarming its victims."

If only there had been a law against taking firearms onto school property, this would not have happend.

Oh wait..

Or a law making them more difficult to get???

If only it had been a public school instead of a private school. If he had been a member of the teacher's union, he never would have been fired.

If only we lived on the moon.

Anybody catch the Doomsday Preppers episode there wanna-be survivalist dad takes his sons out shooting - and blows his thumb off? Then to top it off - he passed out.

Gun owners think they are survivalists, when we see them as Barney Fife...who is closer to reality?

You all understand, of course, that this particular event has no relevance at all outside the school it took place in? There are nearly 300 million people in the U.S.. How many have faced similar situations in the past few months and NOT shot someone? You don't know? Of course not. Because it's not what happened that matters, it's whether or not it will make people watch a bunch of advertising, Ask yourself one question:

WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO MY DAILY LIFE IF I HAD NOT BEEN TOLD ABOUT THIS?

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.. AC

"Gun owners think they are survivalists..."

How in the world did you make that gigantic leap in illogical thought? Incredible.

"Gun owners think they are survivalists..."

Non gun owners are victims in waiting.

I read through these posts and see all the pro gun people out in full force. So, as long as so many believe that owning a gun and using it are acceptable, nothing will change. Any attempt at rational gun control will never survive the congress. Heck, there are colleges in TX that are allowing college kids to bring guns on campus. What a great combo -- young people, raging hormones, stress, drugs and alcohol, all in one place. Who wants to send their kids to TX colleges?

The only two people who knew what this about are now dead, but everyone has to throw their two cents in, along with as much criticism they can muster...anyone surprised in today's world why there aren't more shootings

Irene a College in Colorado yesterday, or the courts mind you, made it so Guns are ok to carry on college grounds. Don't be biased and make it about Texas. You have Crime all over the US and this big old beautiful world we live in. Only some people like many on this board, make it a very ugly place.

Irene you and many of these people need to start your own cowards against guns conventions. Like Ron said, Non gun owners are just victims in waiting.

The news only gives you the bad... Try doing some research on how many guns have saved peoples lives, how many lives were saved due to upstanding citizens who carry concealed. Do some research and stop being biased.

TexasLaw

Mind you I am pro gun, anit idiot which puts me on your side in general but....

Only some people like many on this board, make it a very ugly place.

then you go on to post

Irene you and many of these people need to start your own cowards against guns conventions

Perhaps a look in the mirror or pot calling the kettle black?

I love the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" mantra. It sounds great. It sounds reasonable. I completely understand why people who want to and do own guns believe that it is true and that it is as simple as that. Let's disregard the fact that guns were created for the sole purpose of killing people. Let's disregard the fact that gun culture makes it very, very easy for people to get their hands on guns -- even illegally. The ferocity with which gun advocates fight for their rights to easy access to guns contributes significantly to the number of guns churned out of factories and flooding the market. This glut of guns and NRA assured easy access to them is what fuels the black market in guns, too. Sorry if that makes gun advocates unhappy or if you feel I am unfairly blaming you... but it is the truth. There is a grossly dysfunctional gun culture in this country that continues to feed on itself and only get worse. Guns do not grow on trees. They were not created by god for the pleasure of his beloved children, he did not grant them the inalienable right to own as many as they want. Guns were created and are designed and manufactured by people, for the purpose of injuring or killing other people, purely for the profit of a small group of other people. Sure, guns can also be used for "fun" with target practice or whatever, but that is secondary to their intended purpose and it is a goal that can be achieved by less lethal alternatives.

I do not blame gun owners, per se. I am completely confident that you are blind to the role you play in the larger picture. Where do you think the illegal guns out there come from? Do you think there is a black market gun factory out there making them illegally in order to sell to criminals? No. Guns enter the system legally, then get stolen from legal owners, traded/sold at gun shows where there is virtually no oversight of "collectors," or outright sold illegally by otherwise-legal gun dealers. But all of this is made possible by the extemely lax gun laws fought for and won by the NRA lobbyists on behalf of legal, law abiding citizens such as yourselves. Does that make it your fault? No. But why can't you see how you contribute to it?

I'm not saying take all the guns away from legal owners -- no matter how much I may wish guns didn't exist, that is just a pipe dream. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back. But the system is broken. Guns are a problem. Surely we can all agree on that. More guns simply cannot be the solution. How can we work together to figure out how to fix this?

And, Texaslaw: Yes, guns have been used to "save" people -- but how many times are they used to save people from other people with guns? And if you buy the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" mantra, then the opposite is true: "guns don't save people, people save people." You cannot have it both ways -- either guns are the operative tool (for either killing or saving), or they are incidental (people are what matters). And your stats about saving saving lives mean nothing unless considered in tandem with how many lives they have taken.

saddened

rights to easy access to guns contributes significantly to the number of guns churned out of factories and flooding the market. This glut of guns and NRA assured easy access to them is what fuels the black market in guns, too.

Please define a FLOOD or GLUT. There is supply and demand. If there was an oversupply the price of legal guns would be significantly LOWER to clear inventory. What fuels "black market" guns is DEMAND not supply.

But the system is broken. Guns are a problem. Surely we can all agree on that. More guns simply cannot be the solution. How can we work together to figure out how to fix this?

You say the system is broken.... Please give us something reasonable to debate. NYC, Chicago, D.C. are NOT reasonable as they amount to a BAN.

• Background check Already required.
• Age restrictions Already exists
• Mental health Exists but does have some loopholes
• Criminal restrictions Already exists
• Training make it uniform and make it a reasonable cost. Firearm safety and state laws training.
• Registration... not making a list but legally sold guns require logging from FFL.
• Restriction on where one can carry... Doesn't do any good locked in a box at home while being mugged. Minors cannot carry already. Most states disallow in certain facilities like jails, prisons, police stations, courts, airports already and allow businesses and private parties to restrict by posting a sign. Some states restrict all churches others allow if the church is ok with it, the one in Colorado sure was happy someone had a gun when they were attacked a few years back.
• Ammunition capacity Arguable but FEW shooters actually use extended clips when committing crimes. Smaller calibers are more likely to have larger capacity. Again limit this to handguns.

What else would you like that is reasonable? And we are talking handguns here which is the BIG argument as they are used in the majority of shootings. Long guns are a different discussion but are used less frequently in shooting people.

I think everyone should have a right to own a gun. That doesn't mean that I think everyone should own one. Some people are not responsible enough to wield that kind of power. But to say that guns should be banned because a few jackasses each year make stupid decisions, well, that is just a malformed idea. That would be the equivalent of me saying that all automobiles should be banned. I know more people that have died from a car accident than from a gun and I served in the Marines during war time. Cars kill people by the hundreds (if not thousands) daily around the world. How come there are not people calling for an end to the automobile?

I own guns for one simple reason.... the people I fear the most have them and should things go any further south, I need to defend myself and family from these thugs. Of course, I am referring to the police and the government. I will gladly give up my gun as soon as they give up theirs. Until then, they will have to take it from my cold, dead hand!

Blake - Have you read some of the hate spewed right here on these -vines. Symptomatic

Yep, and First Read is right at the top with the hater posters.

I need more information to come to an opinion, example is to what caused the teacher to go postal. I have dealt with head masters before and they can be insert here ->___________________. The story is too much of a fish net, something online journalist seems to like that approach. They just like to stir up the emotions and not much truths in reporting.

Brian: I thought I was the only one noticing that. How can we work together when each side views the other as the incarnation of everything that's wrong with America? No wonder Congress can't agree to use an umbrella in the rain. If they did, their base would accuse them of pandering and the other side would think them too stupid to stay inside.

So, you seem to infer that there are certain circumstances where the shooter would be justified in killing a headmaster? And then you manage to twist this into somehow being the fault of journalists? What "truths" in reporting are you looking for? Please, fill us all in on how this might all be justified in your eyes...

Here's the thing Nut job, some people deserve what they deserve, not saying the head master deserve so. But people in power sometimes abuse that power and if some nut job comes along an wacks them, I want to know why before I start crucifying the nut job. I want to know more about the motive not some knee jerk reporting to just get the headlines out there for emotional responses. Things are not always black and white like media would make you believe so.

Punisher, NOTHING justifies cold blooded murder. What is with some of the people here???

Sorry Linda, not saying this story justifies anything, but I can name a few things that justifies cold blooded murder. Extreme example, bin laden rings any bells, or were you one of those that screamed bloody murder when he was shot in cold blood. I thinkk not.

punisher has gone off the deep end. He is comparing the head of this school to bin Laden. Suggests the murder was justified in some morbid way. Step back and think before you type man. Chances are better that he was a left wing nut job who thought the job was his and nobody could take it away from him. What do you think, left wing nut job?

:( It's a sad world we live in. In what times are you referring to? or is it from beginning to to now? Cause I can point out much worst times through out history that you would not like to have lived in.

I'll assume he's reffering to the American or world population as a whole. It is so much easier to make someone else's life hell than it used to be.

ccmnxc, not true, read up on the spanish inquisition, or the salem witch hunts to name a couple. We have it easy now a days, just weaker minds.

yeah right, if he didn't have a gun he would have killed him with a reinforced teabag.

JimD you fit right in with them teabaggers. Its polarizing to say the least, that you and the teabaggers are one in the same, just different parties you attend.

Problems that used to be solved with fists can now be solved in a more final way. Jim, you ought to be made to reread these after someone you care about gets shot. You sound like a dirt bag.

Well the head master was a women, so there must be something more to the story. Maybe not just being fired, but also breaking up some affair they were having, that'll send a man over board. If true, you could say that must be some awsome P#$$y worth killing over!

Get your mind out of the gutter. The head-matron was mature woman, around 60 or so.

Spike some people like it freaky that way, or else Elizabeth Taylor (rest her soul) wouldn't be married so many times in her 60s.

Guns make it easier to kill more people faster than any other method. The more guns there are, the more people will be able to kill more other people faster: the more unnecessary deaths there will be.

So you are not an idiot. You are simply in favor of increasing the number of unnecessary deaths. Congratulations. Perhaps that makes you a necrophiliac?

The more guns there are, the more people will be able to kill more other people faster: the more unnecessary deaths there will be.

Sorry JimD, but the crime statistics over the past 20 years don't support your argument.

JimD

Perhaps.

Or maybe I'm just a law abiding citizen that has a healthy respect of gun ownership responsibility.

Jim,incredibly naive post

Jim to state the facts, a strong poison would kill faster and is more of an assured method, then using a gun.So yeah you are an idiot.

Okeeboy, they should stick with good old fashioned "duct tape"!

The facts are that gun sales are up and shootings are down again for another straight year, look it up.

Did everyone just gloss over the fact that Jim threw necrophilia into the discussion?

Okeeboy

Adding to ron-1902603's comment. ALL crime as a whole is DOWN. Homicide by gun has declined at the same pace. Percentage of violent crime guns are still the same they were 20 years ago per the DOJ. The only change has been population increase and crime decrease not only as a percentage but number of incidents.

Tobacco kills 400,000 People a year!!!!! Why aren't you banning tobacco? It's killing WAY more people! Why isn't that the big headline?

Agree! Seriously mentally ill people have no where to go and when we see them in our midst, how do we deal with them?

He was clearly unstable. Anyone who takes their own life usually is.

Yes, guns make it easier, but realize more people die in America in auto accidents. Shall we ban cars too?

And here I thought the stupid population went down, you are proof that there are still way too many stupid people in the world.

Shouldn't you be blaming George W Bush?

Put yourself in a body bag before you do it,the rest of us have enough to do already.

Leave a note, make it short and an easy read.

And remember,

Never put off till tomorrow what may be done today.

The above is only aimed at those that are thinking of harming others.

Remember,ron does not necessarily agree with ron's statements, all actions by individuals are their own responsibility.

Usually, someone using a gun to commit a crime uses only one or two. So what is the objection to someone owning more?

Ultimately, it prevents people from buying entire collections, or collections from being passed down to family member(s). They are private property, and should stay that way.

Just collect your welfare check and don't try to comprehend things beyond your limited scope.

Actually Atheist have the lowest unemployment rate and % of people on welfare. So no I'm not on welfare I will leave that to those who sit back and pray their lives will get better.

R king jesus was white, why the hell would he help a brother out?

That's a very silly suggestion you've posted.

It's like a Christian posting "Why didn't Darwin evolve the bullet away?".

Really! See how silly that is?

He does help people out, but when that happens, they always thank luck. I'm sure you have other reasons for not believing, but this can't be one of them.

Sorry, this world was not created through intelligent design - far from it. No respectable god would take credit for the mess this world is in. If I was god, I would have ditched this place as soon as they invented religion.

Actually, Punisher, Jesus was probably light brown, given the region he was from. Just sayin'.

MAK-90

Or any number of other semi auto knockoffs that are legal and not in any way an assault weapon..