You are right on. In a couple of years, I wouldn't be surprise. But all the blame goes to the mother and/or parents. That type of attitude is learned from them.

Handcuffs? Really? The principal couldn't handle an 11 year old with a smart remark? Pretty pathetic.

↑ yeah because you can't smack a kid upside the head anymore, or give em a quick smack with a ruler. you can't even tell the little brat to shut the f*ck up. now we have to resort to handcuffs

denver bill 2

Despite her protests, that girl with attitude is exactly the type of girl to get arrested.

Can you say police state? She should have gotten detention, not dragged off in handcuffs, but this is what happens when we take out corporal punishment and resort to attempting to bribe our kids not to be naughty..

Sam: Your post makes no sense. First you (quite correctly) advocate detention as the right solution. Then you make the claim that the problem was caused by a lack of corporal punishment. If, as you imply, detention is an effective and appropriate punishment then spanking is unnecessary.

There is no need for corporal punishment. There are other forms of discipline that are highly effective with most children (detention, removal of privileges). If these don't work then the child has a more serious problem that needs to be identified and treated. The caveat is that parents need to understand that the key to effective discipline is patience and consistency. Proper behavior is not taught overnight.

You REALLY need to look up the definition of "bribe". You don't seem to know what the word means.

jrae-1215199

Handcuffs? Really? The principal couldn't handle an 11 year old with a smart remark? Pretty pathetic.

Police placed her in cuffs for transport which is SOP. Pathetic is not understanding that no one is exempt from the rules.

Can you say police state? She should have gotten detention, not dragged off in handcuffs, but this is what happens when we take out corporal punishment and resort to attempting to bribe our kids not to be naughty..

Nope. She was given instructions and refused to follow them. Would you have preferred the principle place hands on her to move her along? You seem to understand that though.

While I think that the kid was a bit of a punk, what she said hardly warranted being arrested...in fact, it is not a crime. I would also say that any teacher or school administrator, who cannot handle that, should probably find a different line of work.

The kid was certainly not right, but neither was the administrator. And again, STUPID cops come in to arrest someone for a non-crime? That is a lawsuit BEGGING to be filed.

Sam: There is no need for corporal punishment. There are other forms of discipline that are highly effective with most children (detention, removal of privileges). If these don't work then the child has a more serious problem that needs to be identified and treated.

Ya like being dragged off to jail for mouthing off, to a hall monitor, so much better than getting a swift rap on the knuckles. Quite frankly I wouldnt be surprised if 6 yr olds will be getting a few months in juvenile for not listening to their teachers in a few yrs. Especially with this type of prison planet mentality..

Sam, just shut up already. "Mouthing off to a hall monitor". She didn't mouth off to a hall monitor. She mouthed off to the principal of the school. Just go away already.

Matthew, still mouthing off gets you detention or a suspension, not arrested.

In the incident report, the unidentified administrator said she was on

hall patrol

on Feb. 22 when she came across Quezada and started questioning her. She said she was in mid-sentence when the 11-year-old "turned and walked away saying, 'I don't have time for this.'

Last time I checked hall patrol meant hall monitor.. I couldnt care less if its a teacher, student or assistant principle..

In all the law enforcement groups that I am acquatted with, it is policy to handcuff anyone taken into custody and placed in a unit. She may think twice before creating another public disturbance.

Personally I would rather have been taken out in handcuffs than face my parents once they learned I had disrespected a school official. I think that's one of the problems a lot of people are facing now a days, parents who don't teach their children respect. Stop making excuses for your kids bad behavior it does you and the kid no good.

As a six year old, a friend and I were pulled out of the line back into the classroom, by an eleven year old "monitor," by him grabbing each of us by an earlobe, and marched to the headmaster's office. We were ordered to stand there, and wait to be called into that fearsome place. When I went in, the headmaster asked me a few questions, determined I had done wrong, and told me to bend over, grab my ankles, and memorize the pattern on the rug I was standing on, as I was going to get "six of the best." He was rapping a size 12 tennis shoe on the palm of his hand. He walked around the desk, and proceeded to paddle my butt, six times, with that shoe. After finishing, he asked me if he needed to contact my parents. I knew the answer to that: "NO, SIR!" as I would have gotten a serious "attitude adjustment" by both my parents when I got home. I never forgot that, and it was sixty years ago.

What is wrong with our modern society when children rule us, not the other way around? No wonder we are in such a mess.

Where in the heck does it say she got "dragged off to jail?" You should limit yourself to one bowl of Paranoia Flakes™ in the morning, Sam.

the next best thing to a smack upside the head is a pair of handcuffs, in my opinion

If she can't handle an 11 yr old she is in the wrong line of work. I think there is something in the water at junior high schools I sent my little angel she came home and the first thing she said when I told her something was "Whatever" It is a time when kids push the envelope. To overreact like that teaches them nothing. Try to remember when you were that age. She mouthed off (don't they all) and walked away (not criminal behavior) They become nice people again sometime after 21 when they find out they don't know everything.

Kevin C-752389

Matthew, still mouthing off gets you detention or a suspension, not arrested.

Agreed. She should have been suspended if she was that uncooperative. That allows her mother to give out the punishment.

Although from the sound of it, that would not have solved the problem of her mother not teaching her a little respect.

She was removed from the school by the police. They handcuff EVERYONE when transporting them to a holding cell/room. She obviously struggled with the cuffs, hence the bruises and marks. I hate to break it to you folks but today's kid doesn't think about consequences and is not scared of school officials or their parents for that matter. Some are downright dangerous. In the school I worked in we had a 7th grade boy that was the biggest and heaviest person in the entire school. It was a junior/senior high school and had "kids" that were up to 20 years old. That kid was a unstable and foul mouthed SOB from a single parent (mom) home. She sure could not controll him. We barely could, because he was 6'4" 400lbs+. He was so big he could not fit in most desks the school had. He bullied every kid in the junior high and had to be kept away from the high school boys for his own safety. Because they don't play around and attack in groups when necessary. Believe it! The principal handled it right. Let the cops take her and now she is some other principal's problem.

IndianaEngineer, if detention and suspension do not work, they can still expel a kid.

She also said, she didn't understand why she got in trouble. Which to me, means she is sorry for being reprimanded, not for what she did.

hs, Totally agree!

I mean look...

Quezada said she'd have a different response if she has another encounter with school staff. "Not to give them attitude," she said.

Lesson learn.

Looks to me like the treatment worked; she learned her lesson about mouthing off to teachers. Kids need to be given some fear of authority for them to learn to behave until they're old enough to rationalize the reasons why they should obey, and since schools can't even touch the kids anymore, this is the tool that they're left with. If a few more kids that age got the scare of being handcuffed and taken to a processing facility then we likely wouldn't have as many punk teenagers getting into trouble with the law at 13-14.

Given what they have to work with, the school did the right thing. It was an object lesson for the other kids, too; act like a little wise-arse and there will be repercussions for them, too.

Mouthing off to an assistant principal is NOT a crime and the police should have declined to become involved. This has nothing to do with education and everything to do with training the younger generation to follow orders blindly, not to question anything, and be utterly submissive to authority.

Great response dslsca, not!

Let's just throw out all the rules and authority and have anarchy.

I didn't say we shouldn't go without rules or authority and have anarchy. I did say people can abuse authority and we need to support those who resist unlawful or excessive or unproductive authority.

DSLSCA,

Last I checked, disorderly conduct was a crime. But we can keep making excuses for people acting up.

Epid: last I checked, calmly telling someone "I don't have time for this" and calmly walking away did not constitute disorderly conduct. Remember, this is an assistant principal we're talking about here; the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that--unless you are being "detained" based on "probable cause"--you have the perfect right not to answer a police officer's questions, not to identify yourself to him, and to walk away from him. Surely those rights apply also to petty authority figures such as assistant principals.

At least they all speak English which is more than can be said for a lot of immigrants. Colorado is a sanctuary state after all.

trust you are sure because the name is hispanic she is an immigrant I hate to tell you but hispanics have been living in Colorado for a long, long time. Hispanic in a country where five states were previously part of Mexico does not neccesarily equate to immigrant. BTW Colorado is one of the five.

lonereb

yes, I am 99% sure as both her and her parent speak English with a Hispanic accent and a little hesitation.

Yes I know CO is one of at least 5. I wish Californians would quit migrating to CO with some of their screwy "ideas". I am not against LEGAL immigration. My gripe is if one migrates to a new country they need to speak the language and I am pleased to see they do. If someone moves to France they need to speak français, Germany- Deutsch, Spain- español Portugal - português. I give them credit for learning the language and not hiding behind the no speak English line frequently uttered when immigrants are facing infractions.

Bill,

Why? Because todays' children are much more apt to behave in a like manor as this child did. They need to learn what is and what isn't acceptable behaviour.

Richard - why don't you just say, "why, back in my day.....". Calling the cops on a smart mouthed child is ridiculous.

Well jrae, back in my day our parents taught us manners & respect. I can remember going home with a note from my teacher pinned to my top. And God forbid I took that note off and my parents found out.

Now can you say that about this child?

And your previous post:

Handcuffs? Really? The principal couldn't handle an 11 year old with a smart remark? Pretty pathetic

Parental Responisbilities 101 - Who is responsibile for handling that year old with a smart remark? That's right, the parents. Is there anywhere in the story where we read about what the parents did to their daughter/brat? NOPE! It's the school's, law enforcement, bus driver, janitor, the coach who lays down the chalk lines on the fields, the homeless person walking by the school, Martians, etc but OH NOOOOO it can't be their darling little angel...oops...devil spawn.

If you want to work with kids then get used to it. That behavior is as inevitable as puberty. Was she not required to take child psychology in her classes in college or did she just sleep through them? And what teachers got away with in my day would be child abuse today and rightly so in some instances. An 11 yr old now has a juvenile arrest record which will be on file until she is 18 for talking back to an adult. A little over the top don't you think. And if this was an anglo child would she have had them arrested> I think not they would have had her job.

Funny, lonereb, I don't see anything in the story that says she has a record. Just being taken to a processing facility and spending a short time in a cell doesn't automatically give you a criminal record. It seems to me, like this girl, you assumed you could get away with saying something that isn't appropriate without being called on it.

The girl got what she deserved. If this little scare stops her from disrespecting authority, or even committing any crime when she's a teenager, then it was worth it. Too many 13-14 y/o are getting arrested for serious charges these days in America; they need a good scare every now and then, and heaven knows the teachers aren't empowered to scare them anymore. In my day, a kid was scared to mouth off to a teacher because we knew we could get smacked for it, and my generation produced a lot fewer punk kids than this generation is producing.

As I do agree to the respecting elder part, its the elders in this case that are teaching and allowing this type of behavior, so what goes around comes around. It's just sad the rest of society has to deal with it.

@JonSmith23456

RE: THE PO PO ......SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLAR SALARY BUT A MILLION DOLLAR EGO!!

I wouldn't have stayed out of jail and I was one of the good kids. Attitude is not a crime in this country.

@lonereb:

And that's the kind of attitude that is making America the world's sewer. A kid giving attitude to an authority figure is exactly the kind of thing that leads to kids committing crimes. Sounds like you need to learn some respect for authority yourself.

She should have gotten the paddle not the handcuffs. The handcuffs is way too lenient.

Punisher if you would have put a hand to my kid for mouth you would have been in serious trouble, I'd have sued you for everything you owned. Violence teaches violence.

@lonereb;

So, you don't let your kids play any kind of violent video games or watch any violent movies? Violence teaches violence, after all.

Of course, were that true, then America would be in even worse shape than it is now. You obviously know nothing about disciplining children. It isn't pain you're going for; it's shock. You want the kid shocked that she would be punished in such a way; that's the only thing that gets through to incorrigible kids. Now spanking a generally good kid is a crime, but some kids; physical contact and shock is the only thing that will get through their layers of attitude and sass.

Sounds to me like this girl got exactly what she needed. That vice principle should be commended, not reviled.

rick,

Perhaps you know this particular childs' school history of behaviour? I seriously doubt that this action was a result of a first time occurance. Especially with what the "mother's" response was.

It doesn't matter if it was the 10000th time! If she were merely flippant and not physically abusive/unruly, why would there be a need for police? How does her flippancy get escalated to an incident that requires police intervention? This AP needs to have some training done on how to handle conflict resolution. If she can't outthink and calm down a 12 year old, when she deals with them everyday, she's got no business in a school.

Were it my decision to make, I would tan her hide with a stick.

while i know that we do not know the whole story of what actually happend, for a child to be handcuffed for a non-violent infraction and taken into police custody is absured and a waste of money. i cant believe the cops actually came either! maybe they dont have anything better to do than arrest a mouthy 12 year old?

Thank Kleibold and Harris for the police state that exists in our schools. While I agree that getting the police involved was stupid for just a smart-mouthed remark, the schools have gotten to where they want to outsource security and discipline to avoid civil liability. In a few years when the brat pulls a knife or gun and someone gets hurt, so many people on this forum will scream bloody murder because the "trouble signs" were missed/ignored by the school and no one proactively intervened. This is "zero tolerance" in action, for future c.y.a.

I know an awful lot of previously mouthy pre teens who are now very good parents and have never been in trouble with the law in their lives. I also knew a lot of college kids who I feared wouldn't live to grow up but gee 99.9% of them did and one of the worst little brats is now the mayor.

That response shows you have no experience in disciplining problem students, Rick. Sounds to me like this lesson did exactly what it was supposed to; I wager it will be a long time before that kid mouths off to an authority figure again. That vice principal should be commended, not fired. If anyone should be "fired", it's the mother that allowed the girl to grow up with that attitude!

Wow-Matthew in Wisconsin--You got all that from the four paragraph story that did not mention anything about a video - cooling off period - or even the position of the "arresting" officer.

Myself-I gathered from the story that a smart mouthed child back-talked to a hall monitor and was 'arrested and hand-cuffed". Where is the training of the "hall monitor" to be able to understand that these are children and not criminals they are dealing with. Was a call placed to a parent before the police?

The parent should stand up for their child, it is their job as a parent. Doesnt mean they condone the actions. But to make such judgements that are in some of those comments--WOW--there are some perfect people here! I hope they raise just perfect children -- usually these types of children come out with the entitlement attitude we see right here!!!

Matthew living here in Colorado I think the cop had no problem cuffing and stuffing a child in his car he probably enjoyed it. the cops here are nothing but bullies with badges with no respect for anyone.

the cops should never have been called unless the girl was being physically violent. the assistant princiable should be fired for not knowing how to deal with this child. people in that position are paid a great deal of money to know how to deal properly with this type of situation. This person handed over her job to a cop becouse they could not do handle a mouthy 12 year old. Just wrong.

BTW is there any other kind of 12 year old?

lonereb

BTW is there any other kind of 12 year old?

Not where I grew up. If a child mouthed off to any adult, they would get smacked. Most likely by the one they smarted off to.

Kids behaved better, and there was harmony. So once in a while you did not really deserve a smack, but you get over it and are just more careful what you say and do.

Back then, if you got a spanking in school, you more than likely got another when you got home, and sent to bed without dinner. It works like a charm !

I wish we had corporal punishment for criminals as well, there would be less crime.

sonarguy: I'm on the student's side here; smarting off to an assistant principal isn't a crime and the police should have declined to become involved. Not that it's any of your business, but I'll share a childhood story with you. I was very harshly spanked at age four for something I didn't do and got spanked harshly twice more because I wouldn't admit that I had done the thing I hadn't done. My dad kept shouting, "Are you calling me a liar?" Of course at four I didn't have the conceptual vocabularly to say, "No, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying that you are mistaken." You say "you get over it" if you didn't really deserve a smack." That was fifty years ago and I'm still saddened by the fact that the person I loved the most in the world didn't believe me when I told him the truth and chose to hit me repeatedly rather than actually even lift a finger to find out whether I was telling the truth. I've done plenty of bad things in my life and made more than my share of mistakes, but I have NEVER hit a child and NEVER will.

Exactly, kids now a days have no coping skills with disapointments and being discipline, thus in my opinion a in-direct correlation to all the shootings in schools. When the tough gets going the kids turn to modern warefare and not just the game.

A former marine punching a child in the face (with a closed fist) isn't discipline. It's child abuse.

And it's illegal.

@Junicon. That's not what they called it 40+ years ago. That was how they handled cocky kids back then. That is the whole point of the comparison. There was no need for the police and hand cuffs at our long ago schools. Schools were allowed to enforce discipline and it wasn't even newsworthy.

71 year old nun 6'3" basketball star. 5' nun jumped up and slapped him across the mouth rest of class swallowed the laughter so she didn't slap us too. Catholic parents paid tuition you better behave.

if being rude is a crime then arrest every politician, celebrity, and CEO in the country!

And 9 out 10 people on the internet. Gee maybe they learned rude from you.

wetsu70 Most schools have no blackboards anymore.

banana08 - This is not an OWS article. I think you may be lost.

Put out your doobie like you should have years ago.

She may not be a criminal YET, but she is GOING TO BE ONE.

No doubt about it... and a welfare-4-life mother too... probably within 5 years.

It all BEGINS AT HOME and you can see why this girl is destined to be a waste of space.

Don't blame it on the schools and teachers; blame it on the selfish, baby-hatchery mothers who have kids so that they can live off of the welfare benefits that they receive by being criminal breeders.

She may not be a criminal YET, but she is GOING TO BE ONE.

Really? Because of this:

the 11-year-old "turned and walked away saying, 'I don't have time for this.'"

Wow, sure sounds like hardened criminal behavior to me.

Do you think this was her FIRST time in trouble.

She was certainly treated this way because she had a HISTORY of being a punk.

I guarantee you that she was not a straight-A student, athlete, or a cheerleader.

Maybe the school system was trying to teach her a lesson and get her in line, before it's too late.

Her mother certainly isn't going to do it.

Teach these kids a lesson when they're young, when they're likely to learn from it.

Get real local guy if that was true 90% of the kids who are now 21 would be hardened criminals. The mouth is part of growing up. If you work with kids you are paid to be able to handle a mouthy kid if you can't get a different job. The worst brat I ever knew is now the mayor I told him you were lucky to live till 11.

Local Guy has it exactly right! In South Florida, we don't even call them schools anymore. They're just chapters of the FFA - Future Felons of America.

It's the mother that should have been in the handcuffs, AND had the kid removed from the home since she is obviously an unfit parent. That would also stop the welfare payment she's receiving for hatching this miscreant.

Concise and well said PD_REV.

PD_REV: Now I'm just waiting for that assistant principal to get a much needed attitude adjustment.

No what she learned is that power prevails not that her behavior was rude. You can teach manners to the mouthiest kid without having them arrested and that goes for college age too. I quite simply threw a Florida State lineman out of a bar in Texas (I'm 5'6" ) and the next day he came back and said he was sorry and asked if I was going to throw him out again. I asked if he was going to behave I did not have him arrested I just threw him out for the night. Oh the fun of Spring Break.

Why does everybody assume they need to check legal status on everybody with a hispanic name? Five states including Colorado were part of Mexico before they were part of the US. Think there might be a few hispanics that came with the land?

The problem with that is now you would be arrested and put in prison for child abuse. You aren't even supose to grade papers anymore with a red pen because "that is an angry color".

You can tell exactly where she got the behavior from simply from the fact that the mother "pulled her and her sister from the school". Lady your gonna have your hands full with that one. Good Luck