New mayor of Sunland Park, New Mexico, can't legally enter City Hall

Pat Vasquez-Cunningham/ Albuquerque Journal file / Zuma

It is not clear what will happen to mayor-elect Daniel Salinas, as an investigation is underway of voter fraud, in addition to other pending charges. If Salinas is convicted of a felony, he cannot hold public office.

SUNLAND PARK, New Mexico - A man facing extortion charges involving a stripper, and who is forbidden from entering City Hall, has been elected mayor of Sunland Park, New Mexico.

Daniel Salinas was accused of trying to blackmail a mayoral opponent, Gerardo Hernandez, to drop out of the race with a tape showing Hernandez receiving a lap dance from a topless stripper, New Mexico State Police spokesman Robert McDonald said.


He was arrested in late February for extortion, McDonald said. Salinas was later released on $50,000 cash bond on condition he not enter City Hall or contact city workers.

But his name remained on the ballot. On Tuesday, he won the election with an unofficial tally of 637 votes for Salinas and 553 for Hernandez.

"My attorney is looking into changing some of those restrictions so I can go back to work," Salinas told the Las Cruces Sun-News."I am very grateful and very happy for this support."

Setup or sleaze? Would-be mayor of Sunland Park, NM, caught with lap dancer

It is not clear what will happen to mayor-elect Salinas, as an investigation is under way of voter fraud, in addition to the pending charges. If Salinas is convicted of a felony, he cannot hold public office.

"They're still arresting people for voter fraud so it's all ongoing, rolling into one big investigation," McDonald said.

City Manager Jaime Aguilera was arrested along with Salinas and both men are charged with extortion, conspiracy to commit extortion, tampering with evidence and alleged blackmail of Hernandez.

The election on Tuesday was to replace former mayor Martin Resendiz, who resigned last year after admitting to signing contracts while drunk.

Speaking to the Sun-News, Hernandez said that Salinas should resign.

"Ethically, there is not an option to run City Hall from the outside," he said. "If I were in his place, I would step down."

Salinas told the newspaper that he had no plans to quit.

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Sick town

  • 24 votes
#1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 6:32 AM EST

Why is it a sick town? That stuff happens in politcs all the time.

  • 20 votes
#1.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 6:41 AM EST

Just because it happens other places doesn't change that it's sick.

  • 48 votes
#1.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:02 AM EST

Hummmmmmmm .... About the same quality of folks that run for national elections!

  • 24 votes
#1.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:03 AM EST

The town is not sick...it is the people.

  • 21 votes
#1.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:25 AM EST

Jane, it sure does sound that way. The former mayor had to resign because he signed a contracts while drunk. The two idiots running to replace him aren't much better. One is caught on tape with a lap dancer (he's married by the way), and the other is being investigated for extortion and voter fraud.

Are they sure this in New Mexico? Because it sure does sound like Chicago politics.

  • 20 votes
#1.5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:42 AM EST

Sounds like either of these loons could replace Romney.

New Mexico; Land of Entrapment. Arrive on Vacation, Leave on Probation.

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:12 AM EST
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This story has got to be BS. My liberal friends tell me there's no such thing as voter fraud. Hmmm?

  • 19 votes
#1.7 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:34 AM EST
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  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:35 AM EST

He should have just aired his opponents dirty laundry tape on the local news rather then try to get him to drop out of the race. DumbA$$ local politicians need to watch national political advertisements to see how the real pros do it lol.

  • 12 votes
#1.9 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:35 AM EST

One is caught on tape with a lap dancer (he's married by the way)

And?

  • 11 votes
#1.10 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:35 AM EST

"A sick town" you say? The choice of the town were two sleaze balls, and you blame the town for that? Grow up!

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:55 AM EST
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Its majority hispanic so keep in mind in mexico the age of consent is 12 and they have ads for shows with women and male donkeys.

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:17 AM EST

New Mexico, darling. As in one of the 50 states.

  • 16 votes
#1.13 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:24 AM EST

@rusty,

the people are the town.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:32 AM EST

"Ethically, there is not an option to run City Hall from the outside," he (Hernandez) said. "If I were in his place, I would step down."

... he went on to say, "Now morally, that's a completely different set of rules."

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:35 AM EST

Why should getting a lap dance disqualify somone from the race or even effect his chances? Show me one man that hasn't been to strip club or that wouldn't want a lap dance and I'll show you a liar. I've gotten lap dances and would happily vote for another man or woman that has. Why is it that people try to portray this man as some sick twisted pervert for getting a lap dance? You would be hard pressed to find a war-blooded American male that would turn down a lap dance if an attractive woman came into his office it backed it up on him!!

  • 7 votes
#1.16 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:37 AM EST

Hoosier- I know it is NM, but the masses of mexicans from the last 60years of illegals is draging it down to mexico's standard. You can compare the murder rate of Detriot 34 per 100,000population to black nations where it seems to belong.The entire US has a 5 per 100k but black nations are ion the high 20-30s, so this shows that 3rdworlders create 3rdworld conditions where ever they go. In fact Mexicos previous president said so when he said "where there are mexicans there is mexico".

Europeans where in the Americas 10,000 years before indians crossed the land bridges. They ended up getting wiped out due to only sailing over the Atlantic in small numbers verses the masses that walked. See the Discovery channels youtube ICE AGE COLUMBUS.

The hispanics that where in CA&NM when the nation was founded where of Spainish(from spain) decent.At the time of Texas independence, there were only about 20,000 Mexicans living in ALL the territory between Texas AND California, and most of those were white descendants of Spaniards. They pretty all assimilated in a generation or two.

The Mexicans and their American born children in Texas (Tejanos as they seem to like to be called) are pretty much all recent immigrants going back no more than 2-3 generations, with most being first generation immigrants) so no one can truthfully make calls to some long ago ancestral rights. A man from the Yucatan or elsewhere who climbs over the border fence ten years ago and has 3-4 babies has no special claim on any part of the U.S. of A.

By the way, Mexico only controlled the land from Texas to California for about 20 years, and only because they inherited from spain at independence.

  • 8 votes
#1.17 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:43 AM EST

It's not the lap dance, it's the willingness to be extorted.... that leads me to infer he has many more skeletons in his closet... if he would have said.. show the pics, I don't care, he would be more credible, but talk about trying to choose which "devil" is better, the one you know or the one you don't. I feel for the town's citizens...

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:53 AM EST

Sunland Parque, Mexico ?.............LOL

Creo que el gringo es estupidez. Sie?

  • 3 votes
#1.19 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:10 AM EST

Debrarae (#1.11) writes:

"A sick town" you say? The choice of the town were two sleaze balls, and you blame the town for that? Grow up!

Sleaze ball people produce sleaze ball leaders.

  • 6 votes
#1.20 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:12 AM EST

Wow, bsnbc has a story on a little New Mexico town. Why not report on the major cities like chitcago.

  • 6 votes
#1.21 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:26 AM EST

A thousand voters? What is this, the southwest version of Mayberry? Where's Barney Fife?

  • 4 votes
#1.22 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:27 AM EST

Actually, NM politics has little to do with this situation. Sunland Park is actually an El Paso suburb and is therefore right across the border from Mexico. We all know how honest the politic process is in Mexico, right? Although in all fairness, El Paso politics are usually pretty above board in the way they are handled.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:33 AM EST

David-1250323

Jane, it sure does sound that way. The former mayor had to resign because he signed a contracts while drunk. The two idiots running to replace him aren't much better. One is caught on tape with a lap dancer (he's married by the way), and the other is being investigated for extortion and voter fraud.

Seems to me, the extortion and voter fraud is prolly Bullpoop. It's probably more like, he was trying to do his opponent a favor, coming to him and saying, I've got this video, and it's not nice, If you want to continue running, I'll hand it over to the press, but if you want to keep it under wraps, and just drop out, then I'll let you have it. Being the nice guy, he got the charges thrown on him, go figure. It just proves the old saying, "nice guys finish last".

I bet Herman Cain would have appreciated the heads up before his "mistress" was talking about their relationship, it would have given him the chance to just drop quietly and not let that info be known...

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 12:43 PM EST

Neither man should be allowed to take office. Never understood a lap dance though? Why do you want your underware full of splooge? Cheaper to go home a yak off.

  • 4 votes
#1.25 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 1:22 PM EST

Sounds like a little Mexico where every thing is corrupt spilling over the borders to the USA

  • 5 votes
#1.26 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 1:42 PM EST

The population of Sunland Park, NM, is a little over 14,000. So less than 10 pct of the population voted - if all the votes are valid. The people of Sunland Park did not endorse either of these candidates. What the election results show is that people won't vote if there is no one to vote for.

However, the message is quite clear. Voter complacency only allows the sleazeballs to gain control.

  • 5 votes
#1.27 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 1:53 PM EST

One, in response to steveaae, all nationalities have been to America at some point in the early days. They have found DNA evidence that their were natives in Mexico and the Southwestern areas if America and this DNA has not been found anywhere else in the world, so this means that they were on that land before Europeans came over. There have been mixes with traits from Ancient Japan. Also, the Europeans who sailed over would have been in the Eastern region of the country, and not having much to do with the New Mexico area at all.

And two, what is happening with this article has nothing to do with Mexico or even immigrants. This is about on man having dirt on another and attempting to extort him, though I don't understand why people would get angry over a lap dance. People expect politicians to be saints but it is unrealistic and hypocritical because the people aren't saints.

I don't know what they should do in this situation, but just look at this article as the facts that it is. There is not underlying whisper that Mexico is corrupting us. Anyone who thinks that needs a reality check because corruption came here with the Humans.

  • 3 votes
#1.28 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:05 PM EST

Nice to see they've kept their cultural tradition of political criminality intact as they move from old Mexico to New Mexico. Hurray for diversity.

  • 4 votes
#1.29 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:34 PM EST

Ichabod,

if your logic is true than that would mean every citizen of this country is a sleazeball

  • 1 vote
#1.30 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 3:04 PM EST

what is 'sick' is that Christianity has made it so that many people have been brainwashed into thinking that anything involving sex is considered 'sick'... and so thereby can be used against you!

a politician being 'caught' with a stripper should be about as damaging as him being caught smoking a Cuban cigar... in fact more so because at least that is technically illegal...

and i really do not understand the legal definition of 'blackmail'...

if i have truthful and provable information about someone regarding an activity that is legal, then am i duty bound to tell the public about it?... i shouldn't think so...

on the other hand, i should also be ALLOWED to tell the public... so why can't i sell my lack of action to someone who benefits from it... in the same sense that someone can offer you money to sign a 'non-competitive' clause when you leave a job which requires you not to take a job in a competing company... isn't that just a business deal?

    #1.31 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:32 PM EST

    Stewgotts said:

    Why should getting a lap dance disqualify somone from the race or even effect his chances? Show me one man that hasn't been to strip club or that wouldn't want a lap dance and I'll show you a liar. I've gotten lap dances and would happily vote for another man or woman that has. Why is it that people try to portray this man as some sick twisted pervert for getting a lap dance? You would be hard pressed to find a war-blooded American male that would turn down a lap dance if an attractive woman came into his office it backed it up on him!!

    Here you go....I am a man who has never gotten a lap dance in my life, I have absolutely no desire to have one either. If I was somewhere and a woman attempted to do that to me I would demand she remove herself immediately. If she continued I would have her arrested for assault. One time some clients wanted to take me to a stripper bar, we had arrived in the parking lot and seeing what kind of place it was I refused to enter. I find the concept of some woman 'dancer' slithering around on me to be repulsive.

    And I am not lying.

    My Blood is red

    I am an American and my family has been in the Americas for almost 300 years.

    Ok to be fair I am a gay man too.

    In the Second Grade they told me girls had cooties.

    I have seen no evidence to contradict this.

    (Kidding aside, I would not want a guy doing it either, not my thing. I have been in a relationship for about 20 years)

    • 1 vote
    #1.32 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:36 PM EST

    This reminds me of when I was watching 60 minutes and our mayor and his father showed up in a sting at a stripclub in Dallas. All 5,000 of us never let him forget it. Not thar he was at the stripclub but that he was stupid enough to get caught.

      #1.33 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 10:55 AM EST
      Reply

      We have a situation in the USVI where the election board allowed a convicted felon to run (and got elected by the largest number of votes in our "top seven" election system). There is a wide conspiracy from the very top of government that is preventing legal action from occurring to remove her from office. So this story is interesting to read.

      • 10 votes
      Reply#2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 6:34 AM EST

      Ha! The people from near my home town once elected a sheriff who was in fact doing like a ten-year prison sentence, and if memory serves it was for tax fraud. I keep seeing stuff like this and I remember the dialogue from Douglas Adams's Mostly harmless. "If people didn't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in [office]". In light of things like this, there is something alarmingly accurate about the late author's words.

      • 10 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:14 AM EST

      James Michael Curley was elected Mayor while serving a jail sentence, and that was the City of Boston MA. So it isn't just some little one horse town that is affected by voter ignorance. Still it is voter and citizen apathy that permits a jail bird to run for and win public office. If you are not happy with the results, run for and win this job yourself, see if you can do better.

      Most of the writers who post here do not have the guts to run for office, nor the where with all to run even a small city if they do run. It takes courage and integrity folks, and I will feel very safe in saying most of you don't have that. Don't try to turn the tables on me. I have run and won public office and have never had to look over my shoulder either. Not all politicians are crooked, no matter what you want to think.

      • 8 votes
      #2.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:08 AM EST

      anti-trust ,,,,why does that not suprize me about our USVI ,,,,????

        #2.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:13 AM EST

        If y'all only knew the nonsense that has gone on here in West Virginia over the years...

        Hell- On election day, we have near 100% turnout...

        From cemeteries!

        • 12 votes
        #2.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:17 AM EST

        This just goes to show how dumb and uniformed the people are of this country have become. They don't pay attention to whats going on and they don't check facts. Many crawl out of their holes on election day and just vote for anybody who has an R or D on side of their name. They run out and cast their vote on election day like they are doing their patriotic duty when in fact they are just destroying this country.

        • 10 votes
        #2.5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:39 AM EST

        .

          #2.6 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:39 AM EST

          Remember the Washington DC mayor that was allways getting busted for crack Marion Barry

          • 5 votes
          #2.7 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:20 AM EST

          Exactly, not to mention all of them Ho's...Dat Marion got game ..

          • 2 votes
          #2.8 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:53 AM EST

          Right on Sully.... don't like the world, get of your ass and change it!! KUDOS and thanks for your service! I am planning to run for public office when I don't look like a teenager anymore... I am 40 and still get carded???? I think I'll be more electable when I look like the adult I am! LOL

          • 1 vote
          #2.9 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:00 AM EST

          My opinion I know how you feel the last time I was carded I was 52. Funny thing it was my night off and I worked at that club (security) so did my daughter and her fiance (drunk bus and card check)

            #2.10 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST
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            mikeforhasDeleted

            Why did he try to blackmail the guy? Just make the video public, and let the media do the rest.

            • 8 votes
            Reply#4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 6:48 AM EST

            I've been wrong before, but I think that if he tried to make the video public he could get sued.

            • 4 votes
            #4.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:17 AM EST

            The "act",presumably, was in a public place in full view of patrons...the recipient of the lap dance had no reasonable expectation of privacy in that venue!

            • 8 votes
            #4.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:33 AM EST

            Most of the time, though, video devices are not allowed in those types of places so one would expect to not be taped doing such acts.

            • 1 vote
            #4.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:56 AM EST

            Fed & Jackal - previous reports about the incident pointed out that the lapdance was received in his office, not at a club.

            • 3 votes
            #4.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:50 AM EST

            Was there a stripper pole in his office?

              #4.5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:35 AM EST

              Now if it happened in his office, that really does change things.... that's interfering with his work. I don't give a crap what club you go to after work, BUT no lap dances when you're on my dime!

              • 3 votes
              #4.6 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:02 AM EST

              ...and what is wrong with a lap dance? Us straight guys need to have fun too ya know!

                #4.7 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 3:03 PM EST

                You all are missing the obvious about releasing the video to the public...no one had to know where it came from or who released it.

                In fact, if this clown had been smart about it, he would have had the tape leaked, and then taken the high road and said "Look, it was just a lap dance, nothing illegal. Let's stick to the important issues."

                • 3 votes
                #4.8 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:21 PM EST
                Reply

                I have to laugh!

                • 1 vote
                Reply#5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:07 AM EST

                Really, it is either that or cry.

                • 3 votes
                #5.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:39 AM EST

                so true. The voters had no choice Hernandez who gets a lapdance - ever hear of cameras dude, or Salinas the blackmailer. Apparently they chose the blackmailer. The town knows they hired a crook. so they deserve what they get. Remember, Montgomery County Alabama voters (Birmingham) also hired crooks to run their county. They now have the county filing bankruptcy and the taxpayers/citizens will be cleaning up that mess for the next 50 years. The rest of us will be lucky if they don't get some Federal bailout and spread the misery of their corruption to those of us who did not have a vote.

                • 2 votes
                #5.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 12:42 PM EST
                Reply

                Disgusting to say the least ,,, would avoid living in this cess pool.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#6 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:07 AM EST

                Seems like a cell phone and a folding table on the front steps might do the trick.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#7 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:18 AM EST

                Reminiscent of Willacy County, Texas District Attorney...folding table, cell phone, front steps!!!!!!!!!!!!Stranger than fiction, verdad?

                • 5 votes
                #7.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:36 AM EST

                Fed Up remember the PI mayor and his father caught on 60 minutes. In everything else he was a good mayor.

                  #7.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:05 AM EST
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                  Just business as usual in the United States of America.

                  Originally only land OWNERS were the only ones allowed to vote and now when uneducated people get involved you get

                  Marion Barry!

                  • 12 votes
                  Reply#8 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:35 AM EST

                  Very true. Can't say that I agree anymore with assuming land owners are intelligent. Think about Bubba down on the bayou or the boys from deliverance. They probably owned land too. There was a recent article about how people aren't smart enough for democracy because everyone judges him/herself to be "above average". Well we can't all be above average or the average wouldn't exist. The article went on to state that the poorer one's intellectual skills, the poorer they are at identifying others' good ideas or electing a highly qualified person. Yet everyone gets to vote, even if he/she cannot read. I'm not saying we go back to land owners, but hmmm....makes you think.

                  • 6 votes
                  #8.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:11 AM EST

                  All snark aside, this is why Plato regarded democracy as the worst possible system. True, we are a republic, not direct democracy, but the same concept still applies; fools elect scoundrels to run the brothel of state.

                  Today, even worse than in the past, we are "lead" by Invoice Intellectuals. That is, government for the benefit of the highest bidder. Ergo, the end stage of empire.

                  • 10 votes
                  #8.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:24 AM EST

                  Except, who would decide who's smart enough to vote? And who would decide who would decide? They limited it to land owners because at the time women and Black men weren't allowed to own land. That way they could insure that only wealthy white men could vote without ever explicitly saying that they only wanted wealthy white men to vote.

                  It's a terribly slippery slope when you start trying to decide who should be allowed to vote and who shouldn't based on something as vague as "intelligence".

                  • 5 votes
                  #8.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:25 AM EST

                  Um, voting was originally restricted to white, male land owners. If you're saying you want to go back to that, then you should probably leave the country.

                  • 3 votes
                  #8.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:30 AM EST

                  If the 1%ers grease enough palms I'm sure they can pass a law that you can only vote if you make say 1 Million a year plus.

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:43 AM EST

                  There is a much easier litmus test to be a voter that would help: tax-paying status. If a person is a red line on the government's budget, they don't get to vote. This doesn't mean that just because a person is getting assistance they don't get to vote, only that they must be a net positive. In other words, if a person pays $1000 in taxes and gets $999 in assistance, they can still vote, but anyone making a living on the system can't. This way the people paying the money get to decide how it's spent. What could be more fair? Besides, if a person doesn't have the intelligence, drive, and work ethic to care for themselves how could they possibly make good decisions for everyone else? Calculate the totals over a lifetime so that retired or disabled individuals that contributed can still vote, of course, but all kidding aside, why should anyone that doesn't have a stake in the system be allowed to vote on that system?

                  • 6 votes
                  #8.6 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:44 AM EST

                  JimP - How would you propose divvying up the corporate welfare?

                  • 5 votes
                  #8.7 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:53 AM EST

                  How about a math test you have to complete in order to vote? If it was 8th grade math most of detriot couldnt vote. That would let whites and asians hold power, almost like the founding years. Detriot now has a 47% functionally illiterate rate.

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.8 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:23 AM EST

                  Great dialog, and I'm glad that people are actually reconsidering the knee-jerk acceptance of the concept that "everybody oughta vote - it's yer dooty!"

                  Maybe, just maybe, not everybody ought to vote. But as so many have pointed out, how do we decide?

                  I have actually had a favorite method figured out since I was a freshman in college. A professor teaching a class about government let me have the class for a day to see if I could convince anybody. (I didn't ... but that was fifty years ago.)

                  I'm not anxious for this thread to be about my idea right now, however. I'm more interested in seeing what others might come up with. So keep it up.

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.9 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:17 AM EST

                  There's always the method they used in Starship Troopers...military service earns you the right to vote. In other words making the sacrifice and putting your life on the line to serve your county earns you the right to vote.

                  That's a bit extreme but the general idea of having to earn your vote in some manner would probably be a good idea. That would separate those actually willing to work for it from those that just expect it.

                    #8.10 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:32 PM EST

                    It is NOT military service which earns you the right to vote---it is public service where the government decides what you do, and that puts you at potential risk of life and limb. Note that Juan Rico's friend died doing work at a government weapons R & D facility in the novel.

                    The purpose is to vet people for their willingness to put the public good above their own, even if it is for just a period of time in their lives.

                    • 1 vote
                    #8.11 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:48 PM EST

                    I respect everything everyone of you said but this is just for thought.

                    The ORIGINAL Pilgrims were all white men and their families.

                    Beyond stealing the land from the Natives this country was founded by White Men.

                    All other came along for the ride.

                    The Government and all establishes were started by WHITE men.

                    Everything got out of hand when changes started and allowed all these other things to happen.

                    When women became their own person and wanted to work what happened? The destruction of the family and taking jobs from men who supported their families. That may sound harsh and yes a slippery slope, heck my mom raised us being a waitress when my dad ran out but still a fact.

                    You allow people freedoms to do what they want and then they always pull that one card that makes the house fall down. Now, there are way too many to control or squash in case of an uprising.

                      #8.12 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:34 AM EST

                      Everything got out of hand when changes started and allowed all these other things to happen.

                      Mary Ann, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you suggesting we go back to the white man only voting scheme, and that women and children should be property that's kept "safely" in the home? Because this:

                      When women became their own person and wanted to work what happened? The destruction of the family and taking jobs from men who supported their families.

                      seems to imply that you do.

                        #8.13 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:59 AM EST

                        We have that ol founding father system now ! It's not about the voting - it's about controlling the gubmint. Back then, they only let landowners vote - no women-no blacks. So the landowners ran things. Then along came Emancipation and women's suffrage. Now everybody votes even the illiterate. so the illiterates and immoral uneducateds elect criminals because they think their gettin over on "the Man" and showing thier independence and defiance. But the rich guys love criminals and idots in office because they are easy to control. So they give to the campaigns, hire the idiots' family members into cush jobs, give them gifts like million dollar consultant contracts, million dollar advances on books no one will read, etc. The rich guys still run gubmint. They could give a rats fanny for voting. Voting is eyewash for the unwashed. It's about controlling the gubmint. And the rich guys never lost that battle. US commoners are the ones who need to read more, study harder, and stop electing criminals and idiots to office - but this isn't going to happen.

                        • 1 vote
                        #8.14 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:37 AM EST
                        Reply

                        It sounds like the people of Sunland Park got just who they deserve.

                        • 8 votes
                        Reply#9 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:40 AM EST

                        That must be one damn fine office for people to go to such extremes to get it............I bet it has one of those really cushy chairs.

                        • 2 votes
                        #9.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:40 AM EST

                        gtouch where I live when it is a local election county, city etc everybody, their brother,sister cousin run for office. I've seen 3 people in the republican primary and 5 in the democratic primary. One mayor got voted out because as long as he was mayor his family (about 20% of the city) couldn't get city jobs.

                          #9.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:21 AM EST
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                          This sounds more like Illinois politic's. Illinois has a good retirement plan for their governors ( making license plates). LMAO

                          • 8 votes
                          Reply#10 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:44 AM EST

                          GP 51 in my area everybody has spanish names too. Most of them can trace their ancestry back to people who lived there when Texas revolted from Mexico. We do not consider them foreigners.

                            #10.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:25 AM EST
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                            This is what happens when you let foreigners in our country!

                            • 9 votes
                            #11 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:44 AM EST

                            Unless you are native american indian, you are a foreigner in this country!!!

                            • 17 votes
                            #11.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:07 AM EST

                            So, which Native American tribe are you decended from?

                            • 6 votes
                            #11.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:12 AM EST

                            Blogs with a Finger

                            Lives in Mums Basement

                            Dances with MEMES

                              #11.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:23 AM EST

                              You need to be 100% American Indian with NO diluting blood at all not to be a foreigner in this country! How do you know he is a foreigner? His relatives could have been in this country longer than yours!

                              • 5 votes
                              #11.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:56 AM EST

                              GP51... Where are you a foreigner from. What European country.

                              • 2 votes
                              #11.5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:07 AM EST

                              The Indians migrated here, too, they didn't evolve here. Two hundred plus years of both tort and common law says we're not foreigners anymore just because our ancestors immigrated. Quit your PC-nonsense and start using some common sense.

                              • 8 votes
                              #11.6 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:29 AM EST

                              I'm a Native American Indian. I hail from the Slapaho tribe. :)

                              • 8 votes
                              #11.7 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                              GP51: If I am not mistaken, or the history my elders taught me in school, the state of New Mexico was part of the Spanish empire at one point, and then part of the nation of Mexico before being part of the United States in 1848. In the last census, Hispanics in New Mexico comprised 45% of the population the state and from those 83% were natives of New Mexico. Please let me know when you remove your shoe out of your mouth.

                              • 3 votes
                              #11.8 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:43 AM EST

                              CC GW: Which law? The conqueror's law or the conquered's?

                              • 3 votes
                              #11.9 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:45 AM EST

                              There is no such thing as a "Native" American as people are not Native to this part of the world, we all emigrated from somewhere else. That being said, GP51's comment is still one of the most ignorant I have seen.

                              • 3 votes
                              #11.10 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:49 AM EST

                              Europeans where in the Americas 10,000 years before indians crossed the land bridges. They ended up getting wiped out due to only sailing over the Atlantic in small numbers verses the masses that walked. See the Discovery channels youtube ICE AGE COLUMBUS.

                              The hispanics that where in CA&NM when the nation was founded where of Spainish(from spain) decent.At the time of Texas independence, there were only about 20,000 Mexicans living in ALL the territory between Texas AND California, and most of those were white descendants of Spaniards. They pretty all assimilated in a generation or two.

                              The Mexicans and their American born children in Texas (Tejanos as they seem to like to be called) are pretty much all recent immigrants going back no more than 2-3 generations, with most being first generation immigrants) so no one can truthfully make calls to some long ago ancestral rights. A man from the Yucatan or elsewhere who climbs over the border fence ten years ago and has 3-4 babies has no special claim on any part of the U.S. of A.

                              By the way, Mexico only controlled the land from Texas to California for about 20 years, and only because they inherited from spain at independence.

                              • 3 votes
                              #11.11 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:26 AM EST

                              I don't know, natedom. GI Joe's remarks were uncommonly ignorant and offensive...

                              • 1 vote
                              #11.12 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:41 AM EST

                              I remember reading the interpretive signs at a place called the "Spirit Wheel" in Montana once. This is just a big circle of rocks out on a windy point that were put there by a tribe a long time ago. Modern Sioux and Shoshone have adopted the place big-time, however, and so have a lot of "new age" white people who can't afford to fly to Britain for the solstice ceremony at Stonehenge.

                              The thing that struck me most about the interpretive signs was that the Sioux and Shoshone didn't have a thing to do with creating it and didn't know anything about the people who did. The Sioux pushed those people off the land at just about exactly the same time that Europeans were pushing other tribes off their land a thousand miles east.

                              The big difference between the Sioux and the English was that the English were a lot more successful in hanging onto their war conquest.

                              GET OFF THIS LAND! THIS IS MY LAND!
                              The stranger didn't move; he just looked at the angry farmer coming toward him across the field.
                              Where did you get it?
                              the stranger asked, when the farmer was in earshot.
                              I GOT IT FROM MY DADDY!
                              the farmer replied as he came up to the stranger.
                              NOW GIT!
                              The stranger smiled at the farmer.
                              Where did your daddy get it?
                              HE GOT IT FROM HIS DADDY, NOW GIT!
                              Where did his daddy get it?
                              GODDAM IT, MISTER, HE FOUGHT FOR IT!
                              Very well, then,
                              the stranger said,
                              I'LL FIGHT YOU FOR IT.

                              ... Carl Sandberg

                              (ps ... Just in case someone jumps to the wrong conclusion, this is not a justification for war conquest of land.)

                                #11.13 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 11:33 AM EST

                                Justice for all: You proved my point! No more foreigners!!!! We should give New Mexico back to those people. It's time to take OUR country back and remove these filthy drains on America!!!!

                                P.S. for all who are asking - I'm proudly from the Menotumillegalmexican tribe.

                                • 1 vote
                                #11.14 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 1:44 PM EST

                                GP 51 You will have a hard time getting the whites to realize, god gave them nothing. The least color in their skin, the least land, the least minerals, the least human sense, the least of happiness. Using the word intelligent to say who they are. Well most serial killers are referred to as intelligent and good looking. That being said, Such thinking last not long. When I study the history of this world (as perceived by them) It stick out in my mind, that, the Persians, Greek, Hans, Italian, etc. all were great civilizations. What is not said, is that there are "primitive tribes" that continued much longer that all those civilizations combine. Now who is intelligent? The primitive, it seems. Their ability to continue a exist for all of this time, until outsiders show up, that is power. Do not give up who you are.

                                  #11.15 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:05 PM EST

                                  The old line comes to mind: Ask the Native Americans (first people) if an open border policy is such a great idea ! then another golden oldie comes to mind: Aren't we supposed to learn form our mistakes ?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #11.16 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 10:07 AM EST
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                                  And who says politicians aren't criminals...

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#12 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:46 AM EST

                                  Apparently politicians don't like pre-tattletales. "I'm gonna tell mom what you did if you don't stop" - My little sister could have been convicted of extortion 1000 times over lol.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #12.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:14 AM EST

                                  Wrong steve in Texas the land owners were of Creole descent the vaqueros and the people of the villages were of mestizo descent. My friends spanish last name basically means comanche. We don't play games doctoring our history that way. We accept the fact that their were Tejanos (Texans of mexican descent) both at the Alamo and at San Jacinto fighting for Independence. Two famous ones Gregorio Esparza the main gunner at the Alamo and Juan Seguin the last rider out with a message for Houston who then fought at San Jacinto and returned to bury his comrades at the Alamo. They are heros of Texas Independence.

                                    #12.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:36 AM EST
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                                    The job will be short lived for Daniel Salinas once he is convicted.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#13 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:48 AM EST

                                    He may not be any worse than any other criminal in office. might even be better. who knows.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#14 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 7:52 AM EST

                                    Put him on the ballot for president.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#15 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:08 AM EST

                                    He'd stand a better chance than Romney.

                                      #15.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 12:07 AM EST

                                      Third party candidate? At least I'd know I was voting for a crook.

                                        #15.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:38 AM EST
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                                        When did being an extortionist change from being a qualification for public office?

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#16 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:09 AM EST

                                        Give him a job in Obama's Cabinet. He'd fit right in......

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#17 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:10 AM EST

                                        Sounds like politics as usual to me.

                                        Nothing to see here. Move along.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#18 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:20 AM EST

                                        Morally speaking, this is not a good start for that city. My prayers are for those that seek a true politican that really cares for its people and believes in God.

                                          Reply#19 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:20 AM EST
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                                          This sounds like the politics of little Cuba in Miami - rife with corruption. Or sort of like Mexico every day.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#20 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:43 AM EST

                                          A good mayor who really cares for the people and believes in God, may also be one who believes in God's grace and forgiveness, and may be forgiven for receiving a lap dance. Morally no one is perfect so why are we so hypocritical of politicians?? Gingrich, Clinton, Kennedy, Franklyn who are we kidding??

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#21 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:44 AM EST

                                          Look at all their last names...and you'll see that latinos already learn a lot from our american politicians.This Country is changing and is going down,we'll collapse pretty soon and nobody can't see it or able to do anything about to fix it.It's a shame watch this beautiful free country become slave to it's own system.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#22 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:48 AM EST

                                          Gingrich, Clinton, Kennedy, Franklyn which is "Latino"

                                            #22.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:41 AM EST

                                            Learn from our politicians lol. You know the age of consent in mexico is 12 and they have shows with women and male donkeys as their version of gentlemens clubs.

                                            At the time of Texas independence, there were only about 20,000 Mexicans living in ALL the territory between Texas AND California, and most of those were white descendants of Spaniards. They pretty all assimilated in a generation or two.

                                            The Mexicans and their American born children in Texas (Tejanos as they seem to like to be called) are pretty much all recent immigrants going back no more than 2-3 generations, with most being first generation immigrants) so no one can truthfully make calls to some long ago ancestral rights. A man from the Yucatan or elsewhere who climbs over the border fence ten years ago and has 3-4 babies has no special claim on any part of the U.S. of A.

                                            By the way, Mexico only controlled the land from Texas to California for about 20 years, and only because they inherited from spain at independence.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #22.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:47 AM EST

                                            Luis none thats the point Gringos are as bad as anyone else.

                                              #22.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:40 AM EST

                                              Steve the flags of Texas going back in order of history are US,Confederate,Texas,Mexico,France, and Spain. We honored every Spanish land grant and do not consider the people of Texas at the time of the revolution to be be different from the people of the last three flags. The flags changed the people didn't. As far as generations in the US this gringo is only a third generation American. Most of the people of european descent in the US are the descendants of people who arrived here between 1880 and 1920. That makes no more than 5 generations between the earliest and now. So get off your high horse most of us haven't been here any longer. And in the town I lived in 80% of the town is related to the family whose spanish surname means comanche. Croeles may have owned the land they didn't work it all those indians the missionaries converted did to whom the missionaries gave spanish names.

                                                #22.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 11:59 AM EST
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                                                what exactly is wrong about supporting a girls employment by having a lap dance? what if he was caught in walmart in drag? no crimes here that i can see. maybe bad judgement but you cant charge anyone for stupidity or most of the population would be in jail.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#23 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 8:53 AM EST

                                                BillyBee ~ most of the American population IS in jail

                                                  #23.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:19 AM EST

                                                  Leave- Dont you mean african american?

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                                                  #23.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:54 AM EST

                                                  what exactly is wrong about supporting a girls employment by having a lap dance?

                                                  So long as we don't have to pay for her condoms as well.

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                                                  #23.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:20 PM EST
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                                                  And this is suppose to be newsworthy???

                                                    Reply#24 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:02 AM EST

                                                    Only white people should be allowed to cheat because they believe more than others in God and God permits them. These privileges are only for whites so arrest those non-true-white-people because they are trying to do what the religios white man does and they are not even white. They are fakers.

                                                    They need a white man to be mayor then it will be ok for him to cheat, steal, and hire all of his family for office.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#25 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:04 AM EST

                                                    On the other hand, it goes to show you that white people aren't the only race subject to corruption, as was once espoused by racists like you. Corruption transcends race, therefore is not a racial fault but a human fault.

                                                    Where are all the replies berating this guy's racism? Or was this id10t statement okay because it is insulting to white people?

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #25.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:39 AM EST

                                                    Only white people should be allowed to cheat because they believe more than others in God and God permits them.

                                                    Really, stereotypically Mexicans are pretty devout Catholics. And statistically, 75% of Americans identify themselves as Christian, while only 62% of Americans are white.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #25.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:56 AM EST

                                                    Hmmm! Do I detect just a hint of prejudice?

                                                      #25.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:25 AM EST

                                                      Maybe it should be based on an IQ test. That way it might be possible for hispanics and blacks to compete if the bar is low enough. Avg IQ for europeans is 100, mexicans 89, blacks in america 85, pure blooded blacks in africa 70.

                                                      Hispanics get counted as white when they commit crimes check out the face of white crime at the Texas 10 most wanted fugitive page.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #25.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:56 AM EST

                                                      Steveaae: You can not assume your facts represent the reality of the true world. Did you not know, the Africans are better educated then most any other group of the educated? That racist people children are marrying other races the most. God gave the whites the least of everything. Stealing has worked the best for them, using laws(of course). Serial killers are called intelligent all the time. Hey such thinking as yours, will not change anything. The primitives has always out lasted the so called civilized. That's a fact.

                                                        #25.5 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:36 PM EST

                                                        repeating you are just as racist as anyone who hates blacks
                                                        And that is truly sad.

                                                        Seveaae is disgusting as well.

                                                        Don't be like her/him

                                                        OF COURSE Africans in Africa have lower IQ scores, the tests are based on concepts that are not familiar to them. IE a question that is math based and involves a shopping mall...I doubt most of Africa has large suburban style malls. So they lack a frame of reference, and I am sure I could devise a test that would include concepts totally familiar to Africans that would be unfamiliar to your average American.

                                                        Lacking the same upbringing and experiences, you would need a test that did not include any such things to be comparable. THis does not make Africans of lower intelligence, just Africans who would score lower on an American version of a test. and vice versa.

                                                        And never mix up the concepts of Intellect, rote memorization, common sense and experience.

                                                        If I was on the Savannah and a Rhino charged me, I am sure I would die. But if a rural African was there I bet they would know what to do. If a Rural African was in Manhattan and a car was driving towards them, they would likely be hurt, but I would survive just fine. "I'm walkin' here!" and a cold NYers stare is a lethal weapon.

                                                        Neither ability makes either of us more intelligent than the other.

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                                                        #25.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 12:26 AM EST

                                                        They found that out about the IQ test in Chicago when mountain folk from Kentucky were scoring bad. They made up a test and gave that one the mountain folk all scored good the city folk scored bad. The questions on the second test were like "what color is a copperhead snake" Something that is survival knowlege in the rural areas of the south. Needless to say every hillbilly got that one right.

                                                          #25.7 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 12:05 PM EST
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                                                          Well we all know the voter fraud is a tacked on false accusation. We all know voter fraud doesnt exist, just ask all the idiots that are against voter ID.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          Reply#26 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 9:04 AM EST

                                                          Recently in florida hundreds of cases of voter fraud where caught when they compared the jury summons notes that said they couldnt serve on a jury due to not being citizens to the voter rolls.

                                                            #26.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:57 AM EST

                                                            she is making income on the laptop

                                                            Bet that is hard on the back.

                                                              #26.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:26 PM EST

                                                              Good one nibor! Wish these spam peddlers would just go away.

                                                                #26.4 - Thu Mar 8, 2012 3:50 PM EST

                                                                Being investigated means nothing.

                                                                It could easily be a political ploy and a set up.

                                                                Wouldn't be the first time a politician and/or his cronies lied to hurt the opposition. Or to cover up their own misdeeds. People don't you remember Watergate?

                                                                  #26.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2012 12:29 AM EST
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