I would vote for this post a thousand times if I could!

Amen Buffaloes Roam!!

I totally agree, if you can't get it up maybe that is the way it is suppose to be.

STexan: LOL!!!..the whole POINT to this story completely went flying over your head, didn't it?

My husband has porn induced erectile dysfunction...the pill doesn't work for him. What's a girl to do?

Women need to start shuttin' those Republican control-freak men off !!

They won't be needin' any viagra.

Who sent out the 1950 Republican play book to all these dumb politicians anyway?

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Who sent out the 1950 Republican play book to all these dumb politicians anyway?

The Republican handlers who realized the party has no real platform or real world solutions and thought women were too dumb to notice.

I am pretty sure that if God wants you to have erections, he will make it happen.

Apparently, I'm touched by God every morning.

Thanks for making me wait ten minutes before I can take my morning leak every day, God. Thanks a lot.

Bill: if we have more like the wonderful Senator Nina Turner in this great country of ours, what are all of you Taliban-wannabees going to do with that free time you now spend obsessing over women's sex lives?

Hey guys its not nice to pick on the weak minded so please leave STexas alone... he has a right to have his opinion told to him so that he can dictate it to you.

You go, girl!!! While you are at it, take away the Viagra that is given out free to men who can't afford it. If women can't get free contraceptives, then why should men get free Viagra?

In my day, girls didn't even say the word pregnant!

No, they just made stupid teenage mistakes, were ostracized by their families, kicked out of their homes, gave their babies up for adoption because they couldn't support them, and then suffered a life of guilt and pain because they knew there was a person out there that thought their mom didn't want them when in reality, that person's mom had no choice.

They all got money anyway, cutting them off is the right thinkg to do, Hell I think I need a pill that does the reverse ............

Ramen Buffaloes Roam. I say take all these theocrats viagra away, since they are so concerned with how sex is "supposed to be". Maybe they wouldn't be obsessed with the thought we are rampant sluts for being on birth control if they didn't need to pop a pill to perform. They should just view there inablity to have sex on thier terms as a "gift from god, and find peace with it".

Chris-629698

In my day, girls didn't even say the word pregnant!

No, they just made stupid teenage mistakes, were ostracised by their families, kicked out of their homes, gave their babies up for adoption because they couldn't support them, and then suffered a life of guilt and pain because they knew there was a person out there that thought their mom didn't want them when in reality, that person's mom had no choice. Post 1.17"

Don't forget most of the ostracisation and being kicked out were by Loving Christian Families[tm].

They should just view there inablity to have sex on thier terms as a "gift from god, and find peace with it".

Honey that's not a gift, that's a condemnation!!!!! LOL

Buffalo - "Actually, I am pretty sure that if God wants you to have erections, he will make it happen. Clearly, Viagra is in contravention of God's will."

He did make it happen, that's why Viagra exists.

I get why she introduced this bill, and in a way she is very much correct. As a Buckeye, I'm saying both bills should be thrown out. (And I'm a Conservative as well.) And you wonder why health care costs are skyrocketing in Ohio?! Oh, and Viagra should not be free either. Not being able to sport wood is not in and of itself a disease.

Buffaloes Roam: "Actually, I am pretty sure that if God wants you to have erections, he will make it happen. Clearly, Viagra is in contravention of God's will."

Actually, Buffaloes Roam, if god wants you to live forever, he will make it happen.

However, just in case, if there's no god, allow us to rely on human science.

Some right wingers think that sex should be for procreation only. Why would a man who is 60 years old with a 59 year old post menopausal wife need Viagra? Why should the taxpayers pay for his recreational sex? Marital bonding can be maintained with cuddling and reading scripture together. Model boat building is cheaper and a more wholesome activity. It's a hobby the whole family can participate in together.

These Right Wingers have no idea exactly how big a hornet's nest they have disturbed. I can't wait to see their chickens come home to roost.

I think the legislation is ridiculous. But, it does make a point. I have no doubt the the vast majority of men who use Viagra and it's siblings don't have ED. A bad marriage, fooling around on your spouse, booze, drugs and a number of other things surely make "doing it" harder. But, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority can do it themselves. If they can, then they don't have ED.

I hope the bill contains a clause that requires men to obtain a signed agreement from their spouse that she is aware of and approves that her husband is taking viagra and of course, the doctor needs to send a notice to the wife that he will be receiving Viagra.

bill1942-3876944 your the reason why women need choices, so they can stop the further spread of ignorance and stupidity!

I figured this was just a tongue-in-cheek attack at what happened with Ms. Fluke and her desire to get birth control. If she can't have birth control, guys aren't allowed to get it up anymore. It's genius, if that's the case, because most of the people telling Ms. Fluke to shut up are old men that do in fact take Viagra. Personally, I think Mr. Limburger would be pitching a fit if this actually passed. "I CAN TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN AND THEIR BODIES, BUT DON'T YOU TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF CAP'N WINKY!".

JoeB: good grief man, have someone explain the article to you. And while you're at it, use the time to loosen the tin foil hat, would ya?

Well, JoeB...isn't that funny....the legislation is discriminatory because it only pertains to one gender. Hmm...and the fact that the invasion of women's reproductive privacy through means of legislation doesn't constitute exactly the same discrimination because IT ONLY PERTAINS TO ONE GENDER??? Fool...

Pjam said:

Buffalo - "Actually, I am pretty sure that if God wants you to have erections, he will make it happen. Clearly, Viagra is in contravention of God's will."

He did make it happen, that's why Viagra exists.

Uh God made hard-on pills?

Hell won't effect me at all anyway. I am a gay man, we have no problem getting an erection...if yu need the specific details why ...Email me! Especially if you are a 'curious republican" I can flip you over and show you how...

Yea

Thats it

Buhhahahahahahahhaa

Did I really type and post that?

Yup

I am Soooo ashamed

This is kind of embarassing, but I feel compelled to write. I'm 41 years old. My testosterone is the level of a female. Therefore I have "problems". Dr's are continuing to raise my testosterone dosage until I finally get to the level the "average" male is. So according to some of your opinions, I should never have sex. How fair is that? Insurance does NOT pay for my Viagra. Insurance is even fighting me on my testosterone injections (it IS that far low). I do NOT agree with this bill. It is America. I have my right to spend MY money as I see fit. (Being that insurance does not pay for my Viagra) I should not shell out MORE money for other opinions when I have a perfectly legal, provable diagnosis. I'm hoping some of you will say there are exceptions to your opinions.

Kikee said

My husband has porn induced erectile dysfunction...the pill doesn't work for him. What's a girl to do?

I suggest garden vegetables...Cucumbers and zucchini in particular. If you are more adventurous you could even go for a good eggplant.

Diffrerence between 'normal' sex and kinky....In Normal sex you use the cucumber, in kinky sex...you use the whole salad

ItIsWhat!t!s: Google "Medical Uses of the Birth Control Pill". Click the one that links to "www.youngwomenshealth.org"

Before you flap your gums, please at least try to educate yourself about what the Pill can actually do, not just what it was originally created for. Second of all, what they do behind closed doors is not your problem, if you're so against them using it in the first place, then by all means, adopt a child, or pony up for whatever kids people have should contraceptives be taken away. Oh wait, I'm sorry, it's the religious right that want The Pill taken away, yet scream and cry and whine when said people having kids actually want help. Oopsie doodle.

Don't you all wonder why We name our Penis .......... LOL I know it's our little head with no brain but what is with the name it has no brain, Just like our politicians .... LMAO

@RufoussidedTowhee

Some right wingers think that sex should be for procreation only. Why would a man who is 60 years old with a 59 year old post menopausal wife need Viagra? Why should the taxpayers pay for his recreational sex...

HIS Recreational sex? If you're talking about a married couple wouldn't the Viagra be for both of their benefit?

Someone will have to explain to me how proposing a stupid bill is supposed to be an effective protest against another stupid bill. Last time I checked stupid plus stupid just equals more stupid. This is effectively the government equivalent of- "I know you are but what am I". What a great way to run a state; glad I don't live there.

Hey! we just want to protect men like they want to protect us! (if men got pregnant, abortions would be available at the grocery store!)

@ThaMonkeh

Before you flap your gums, please at least try to educate yourself about what the Pill can actually do,

The argument by fluke was for contraceptives, not birth control. You're arguing the necessity of birth control as a means to control ovulation or ovarian cancer. This argument is invalid and fails in several cases. First, not all contraceptives reduce cysts or menstruation, oral contraceptives mainly do. Second, experts disagree on using birth control to reduce cyst. Let's be honest, the language used here is contraceptives, not birth control pill. Birth control covers a wide spectrum of a broad umbrella. While birth control may reduce a woman's menstruation, what's to prevent sexual activity as a result of contraceptives?

No, they just made stupid teenage mistakes, were ostracised by their families, kicked out of their homes, gave their babies up for adoption because they couldn't support them, and then suffered a life of guilt and pain because they knew there was a person out there that thought their mom didn't want them when in reality, that person's mom had no choice. Post 1.17"

Don't forget most of the ostracisation and being kicked out were by Loving Christian Families[tm].

Stoney: So, the only difference now is that those teenagers still make those mistakes, but now ask others to support them and become a drain on our govt. system; because let's face it, birth control isn't free. Someone out there will have to pay for it.

And yes.... those loving christian families you mentioned probably did warn you well ahead of time that this would happen so the only one to blame was yourself. Unless you somehow think that spreading your legs was their fault?

@Unhappy,

those loving christian families you mentioned probably did warn you well ahead of time that this would happen so the only one to blame was yourself.

Valid point.

@Stoney

No, they just made stupid teenage mistakes, were ostracised by their families, kicked out of their homes, gave their babies up for adoption because they couldn't support them, and then suffered a life of guilt and pain

Don't people who have abortions also have guilt and pain?

Bryan I sympathize. However, as numerous women have explained, birth control pills are not always for birth control, they are also used for hormone levels. The men had no sympathy and instead, ridiculed the women. So perhaps you should be more vocal in your support for the way Republicans have been attacking women's health.

@Jemma

birth control pills are not always for birth control, they are also used for hormone levels.

You're suggesting that the only use of contraceptives will be ovulation control, or control of ovarian cancer?

This thread is just one more reason why people will be eating each other in the street sin less than 10-years.

never seen such inbreeding and stupidity in my life.

Who is anyone to say someone should not try to accent their life with medication. Gov doing everything to make you dumbos forget the Constitution exists.

This bill is hilarious, and long overdue in light of all the woman-hatin' that's become the Republican platform.

How about we call it a draw, accept both Viagra and contraceptives as insurable pharmaceuticals with valid uses, and tell sociopathic politicians, clergymen, and talk show hosts to get their noses out of everyone's crotches?

why are we debating something that has been accepted in society for years.......decades even?

get over this non debate and get on with life and more important issues......like...

oh I don't know...

jobs..

the economy...

making it illegal to lie or waste the tax payers time and money while serving in any capacity of government....

yeah, debating a dead issue is solving all kinds of current problems....

men and women need access to these things because humans are going to do what humans do...and that is nothing to be ashamed of or condemned or denied ...... good grief it is as if everyone suddenly woke up and is back in 7th grade health class trying to put a condom on a banana....

what wonderful roll models we are for our kids...........we fight about stupid stuff while people need jobs and our nation needs to recover........

"sorry we can't eat tonight kids, but isn't it great knowing that, although the economy needs jobs and growth, we are being protected from our human side..................maybe we'll eat tomorrow before we get kicked out of our house and end up living in our car...........maybe I can get work as soon as this very important debate over men and women and what the law wants to allow them to do with their bodies is settled, and we will do this without Daddy needing help getting it up or Mommy maybe getting pregnant (like we could afford another mouth in these hard times)........it is so great to be an American and have our law makers always looking our for our welfare--after all, we are all too dumb to do it ourselves---but we are smart enough to work 40 to 60 hours a week, pay our taxes, drive an economy to great heights, raise families, put our kids through college, vote on civic things and pay for them, vote our representatives into office, defend our country and stand strong, intelligent and worthy in the global community......

you know, actually, we don't sound all that dumb..........so why do we need others thinking for us?....

WE DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!

Its about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs!!!!!!!!!!..GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Any man seeking a script for Viagra should be forced to prove that he has the authorization of his wife and mother in law, just to make sure. I live in Ohio and think that Nina Turner is a perfect reply to the Christian Taliban and the rest of the GOP nutcases in Columbus.

Where are the jobs Kasich? Corporate profits are up but we still dont have jobs!!!! He is trying to privatize the turnpike and cut funding for public schools.

Government forcing is the issue, not what's covered. People don't seem to get this.

If the government can force birth control coverage for the sake of only preventing pregnancy, then they should also force companies to cover condoms.

Likewise, going outside in the cold without clothes could be condsidered a "woman's health" issue. Should the government force insurance companies to cover clothing? How about food? Lack of food is a "health issue".

$16 trillion and counting - you people are getting exactly what you want.

@ Franky True:

Uh God made hard-on pills?

Hell won't effect me at all anyway. I am a gay man, we have no problem getting an erection...if yu need the specific details why ...Email me! Especially if you are a 'curious republican" I can flip you over and show you how...

Oh PLEASE Stop being so graphic!!! The comment was meant to be SARCASTIC...You do not need to let us know your PERSONAL preferences either.

WE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU ARE GAY

What? Do you want a medal? SHEISSS!!!!!

This Woman deserves a MEDAL for this bill

why are we debating something that has been accepted in society for years.......decades even?

get over this non debate and get on with life and more important issues......like...

oh I don't know...

jobs..

AWESOME ARGUMENT......You should post the SAME ARGUMENT when MEN are talking about birth controlr or ABORTION...RIght???

The same argument should be used for EVERYBODY, not only men

This thread is just one more reason why people will be eating each other in the street sin less than 10-years.

never seen such inbreeding and stupidity in my life.

AND TESTOSTERONE surface....I wonder how long we would have a STUPID argument about ABORTION and BIRTH CONTROL if men could get pregnant??? HMMMMMMM

Thank you Ms Nina Turner!! We DO want to take care of our men. We also need to have vasectomies put into the discussion and put in soon. Does Catholic health insurance cover this?

@ ThaMonkeh - no one has said Ms Fluke can't have birth control pills. She's had access to them all along, and at a far lower price than her $3000 talking point. People are against forcing a Religious institution to provide them free to her when it is in violation of their beliefs. Let alone, low cost and free birth control is already out there. She needs to get off her butt and obtain it. It is not the govt's place to force the Institution, or waste Taxpayer money duplicating services already available.

BTW It is never "free." Someone else is paying for it. And in this case, Ms Fluke should pay as she is the one responsible for her body, not everyone else.

We also need to have vasectomies put into the discussion

LOL! Some doofus I know was saying how no woman should have a problem getting a transvaginal ultrasound before having an abortion. I told him I would support the measure only if men had to get a transanal ultrasound before getting a vasectomy (gotta protect that prostate!). Shut him right up.

After all, Delaware has recognized the "personhood" of sperm now, so every vasectomy is the equivalent of millions of abortions.

Someone else is paying for it. And in this case, Ms Fluke should pay as she is the one responsible for her body, not everyone else.

By that logic, NO medications should be covered. Nor should any medical procedure. In fact, you're pretty much arguing against anyone having any medical coverage at all. To see how really ridiculous this subject has become, google "Insane sex laws inspired by GOP." This is an article detailing real bills that have been introduced, and in some cases, adopted, in many states (eg., sperm "personhood"). I'd post the link, but MSNBC doesn't let us do that.

C'mon, their laws are already too "stiff" and they have had a "hard on" for getting media attention! They should just lay down or "take a cold shower" and just let these people have access to something that could "elevate" their lives! Whoever makes these decision is obviously a "limp dick" and does not want to see others happy. you know the PEN-is mightier than the "sword" so maybe someone should write a letter!

Happy Friday to all! and to all a GOOD night!

Hey people, your tax dollars are paying for other's erections. HA HA HA

(oh, I forgot many of you think that's OK since we're talking about males....)

flbikerchic - the difference is pregnancy is not a disease. Being part of a pool that is sharing the cost of medicines to fight disease is one thing. Forcing that pool to pay for non disease related medication is another. It greatly increases the cost, without making any of the pool healthier.

And since birth control pills, rings and shots do not guard against STD's and AIDS, the pills could actually increase the spread of disease instead of cure it.

Rick::: You said something about it being a little head with no brain? You are wrong. With most men, that is where their ONLY BRAIN is located.

"Actually, I am pretty sure that if God wants you to have erections, he will make it happen. Clearly, Viagra is in contravention of God's will."

Couldn't that be said for ALL of medical science? Why go to the hospital when you have a heart attack?

if you are in an accident they should just throw you on the side of the road and let God do his work? Clearly, health care is in contravention of God's will.

And for all the young men that are bragging about how they can get erections I say give it some time because there will come a time when you have trouble.

This article shows the epitome of how bad politicians are in America. One side retaliating against another side. These are grade school tactics. What a bunch of pukes!

Susie, be careful. I know of several cases of women who have done nothing but screw and have abortions, over and over again! Now that certainly tells me about the intelligence of those women, and the tons of women who do the same thing.

Wow, a lot of people here not wanting others to have sex. How f*cked up is that!?

After reading the article and comments I have a couple of thoughts.

The first is that two wrongs do not make a right and introducing legislation that you do not believe in simply to make a point is a waste of taxpayer money and not a productive use of your time as a legislator. If a representative disagrees with introduced legislation she has a responsibility to debate it earnestly and honestly and not resort to gimmicks. So I vehemently disagree with her decision here.

That being said, I don't agree with the introduced abortion legislation either. Sign of heartbeat is too early. At 6 weeks pregnant many women may have only just realized they missed a period. A woman should have a reasonable amount of time to decide if she is going to continue a pregnancy.

That being said, I do think that the legal system needs to hash out exactly at what point in a pregnancy the fetus gains some rights. From an ethical standpoint this is sorely needed. Biologically speaking there is no difference between a 39 week old fetus and a new-born child. Yet there are pro-choice advocates that will scream until they are blue in the face that a fetus is a fetus until it take its first breath after birth. This question of at what point does a pregnancy involve a child is long overdue for answering. It cannot be answered from a religious standpoint either. My thought is that a panel of medical professionals and ethicists should be commissioned to arrive at a reasonable solution. Once it is determined at what point the pregnancy has a child involved we can then have legislation in place regarding what rights that child has.

This is the fundemental flaw when comparing viagra and abortion. There is only one person being impacted by a man's choice to use viagra. There are potentially 2 people involved in every abortion. Every woman should be gravely serious when approaching this decision. It should NOT be an easy one to make, and I believe that for most women it is a gut wrenching experience. I know it was for me.

People on both sides of the political spectrum need to stop being so glib and condescending to the other side. Isn't the purpose for debate to make the opposition see your point of view the merits of your position? Why then do politicians and pundits seem to think that this will happen by calling each other whores and feble minded? When has anyone ever agreed with someone they perceived to be attacking them?

And as for contraception being free. I agree that it should be covered by insurance to the same level of any other drug on your prescription plan. I do not agree that it should be free unless your plan provides all medication for free. IMO if we are going to be giving out free drugs they should be drugs that are life saving and treat serious diseases. Why should I continue to pay a $20 co-pay for my asthma inhaler but get my BCP for free? Pregnancy is not as likely to kill me as an asthma attack. Why should my husband and I have to pay $40 a week for my son to receive occupational therapy? Why should my grandfather have been denied coverage for certain chemotherapy medications at the end of his life? Why is keeping a 20 year-old's uterus empty more important? I don't get it, sorry. 

I'm starting to believe that politicians on both sides introduce these things simply to keep us riled up and not looking at the bigger pictures. The right introduces legislation to regulate abortion knowing it will go nowhere to hide the fact that they have failed miserably to deliver a revived economy as promised in 2010. And Democrats push these "health care reforms" that do nothing to actually address the cost of healthcare and only benefit a small persentage of people, but now they get to stand on their "accomplishments" and claim to be "leveling the field". It's all pandering to their respective bases so that rabid democrats and republicans alike can not worry too much and not feel guilty that they always vote for a "D" or a "R" without knowing anything about the canidate, their accomplisments or their plans. Government is disproportionately made up of the "1%" on both sides of the aisle. They don't care about our problems. They don't even really know what our problems are. Until the average politition makes $50K a year and has a net worth under a million dollars they are never going to care about things like jobs, the costs of healthcare and childcare, the price of food and gas or the stress of working longer hours for less pay.

Yeah! Its ON beeee-atchis!

I LOVE this women !!! When I was 30 I lived in the state of Ohio and because of multiple surgeries from sports injuries, I needed a total knee replacement, my surgeon, one of the best in the country, thought that I should get a cartilage transplant (allograft) - guess what? My insurance company denied me (it was experimental- they said), even though had it been a job accident workers comp. would have paid for it....but guess what my insurance (United Health Care) would pay for - a penile implant...., so, I sent a letter that I need this surgery in order to walk - a penile implant is for vanity or pleasure, not a necessity... they didn't agree - so, my knee is toast, hopefully there will be some bone left when I can get a knee replacement! I'm sure being female didn't help my cause - who needs a walking female?!

Contraception should not cost women an arm and a leg - I wrote before how I had a $90 co-pay for three packs (3 month supply) of birth control. I extended a stay in France and was going to run out, I stopped at a small French pharmacy with my pill pack and passport, in less than five minutes, I walked out the door with three packs of pills and it cost me the equivalent of $9.00 - they were the same pill, made by the same company - Wyeth. Pharmaceutical companies are making huge profits while putting people's health in danger by overpricing or poor research and too much lobbying to the FDA.

Pleeeeese don't make it hard on my hard on! It was hard enough to figure out how my wife and I were going to make it in our separate bathtubs but now you take the Viagara too!!

Well, if a man is not able to get an erection, then maybe the taxpayers won't have to pay for co-eds $3000.00 per year birth control costs.

culheath: Republicans have nothing to do with this. The liberals assume that women are gullible. They've jumped on this b.c. debate that is between the Church and Government...Obama's form of ignoring the Constitution's type government. Republicans have ZERO to do with it or any involvement at ALL. Obama and his dictatorial MANDATE started the whole thing. But the liberals are inserting politics into it, assuming women are so gullible that they'll buy the line of a Republican "war on women". If any party is insulting women, it's the libs, with thier horror stories, lies, hyperbole and arranging a Democratic committee meeting and a public forum some random activist, with an agenda, so she can whine about something she chose. She KNEW what the insurance coverage & policies are at GU, and went there anyway. She can afford one of the priciest, cream of crop Universities, but boo hoo, can't afford $9 a month? She, or someone else, have hired a P.R. org. run by a former Obama administration member, so she can fly around the country, appear on TV, talk to the MILLIONS OF UNEMPLOYED, to cry about her pricey law school, and something she can get for FREE since they don't provide it to this poor little lady.. And again, Republicans have ZERO to do with GU's or the Church's policies. ZERO as in "0". Nor is Limbaugh the spokesperson for the Republicans that the media wants us to think. It's pretty sorry when you have to use scare tactics and promote mob hysteria to get votes 'cause you can't garner them from a disaster of a President's job performance. Not excusing or defending Limbaugh, but HOW MANY liberal potty mouth pundits have said EXACT same word, other words, same meaning, many disgusting, insulting comments. Not one time, but numerous times about WOMEN with NO apologies, no calls from the President offering pride in her speaking out on issues and concerns...uh, what have the victims of the above mentioned pundits been doing? Speaking out on issues, and concerns. About the whole COUNTRY, not their financial "hardship". Libs. promote the idea, myth, to women that Limbaugh speaks for the Republican Party, so I guess Maher, Schultz and Olbermeier speak for the Democratic Party. would you care to acknowledge that? And you want us to believe it is Republicans who disrespect and wage war on women? I only hope women are smart enough and not so gullible that they let themselves be played for ignorant females, and can't see that the issue is NOT about Republicans, NOT started by Republicans.

Unhappy and the rest of you Libtard "Fluke" worshipers,

First, you seem to be ignoring part of Ms. Fluke's own testimony to her unofficial Democratic cheering section and why she wasn't permitted to testify before the "Official Committee Hearings". By Fluke's own statements She chose to go to Law School where she did to specifically become an "Activist" for Birth Control to FORCE that institution to provide it to students and staff FOR FREE. Get that?

Second, she stated that the Institution's insurance plans DID pay for "Contraceptives" for treatment of Medical conditions other than primarily pregnancy prevention, but that in order to get a waiver for said coverage they had to get a second opinion from a University approved physician. Why?? Because Activist Ms. Fluke and her liberal Planned Parenthood and Democratic allies got caught committing INSURANCE FRAUD. It appears that Ms. Fluke and the local Planned Parenthood chapter had found a couple of local doctors and Nurse Practitioners that would "diagnose" these alternate use medical conditions for any student or staff person that came in wanting the contraceptives for primary birth control even if they didn't have them so the insurance would cover it. The school and insurance company became suspicious with the exceedingly high rates of these rare conditions among its students and staff and began a quiet investigation and "sting" operation and busted Fluke and her friends. So, the University began to require women wanting a waiver to one of "their" doctors to verify that they actually needed the Birth Control Medication for reason stated. Oh, she "forgot" to mention that didn't she.

Funny, you didn't see any stories about it in the Liberally-biased "Mainstream Media". When the Official Congressional Committee learned that Ms. Fluke basically planned to knowingly commit perjury in her testimony, they dropped her. Gee, wonder why?

So Democrats like Ms. Turner are basically lying. Her bill is nothing but retaliation for someone not Goose-stepping to her ideology. So Because other legislators are trying to protect unborn children, not restrict women's rights, Ms. Turner introduces this clearly vindictive ignorant piece of legislation, wasting taxpayer's time and money, "to make a point".

The ignorance of the reason some require ED medications on this board is astounding. Just FYI, there are many Medications for Depression, Hypertension, Cholesterol reduction, Migraine prevention, blood thinners, etc. that as a side effect cause ED. There is an entire class of Beta-blocker drugs that cause it. Many of these drugs are taken by otherwise "health" young men. And also, many insurance plans DON"T cover these ED medications, and those that do only for men over 55, regardless of reason. I have never had an insurance plan that covered them, and I know the Military Medical system didn't. Another Liberal Democrat lie.

So Liberal Hypocrites, they should just live without a "sex life" or having children? Their partners should be forced to suffer also? Or do you feel their partners should just "dump" them like old garbage and find someone else? Oh, what compassionate, caring examples you liberals are?? (dripping sarcasm).

Black Kettle- You have a $90 co-pay for a 3 month supply. That's $30 per month. That's the same co-pay I have to pay for any non-generic drug on my prescription plan. I'm assuming it's the same for you. I suppose you must not be on any other medication and are a relatively healthy individual.

Let me ask you this - Imagine that in a few months you were to discover that you have high Cholesterol and are prescribed Lipitor. Your co-pay is $30 per month or $90 for a 3 month supply. Do you feel that you should have to pay an "arm and a leg" for that medication? Which medication would you consider more important? The BC bill isn't doing anything to address the real problem, that medications are prohibitively expensive.

Many people who have multiple medications that they have to take each month have to decided month to month with prescriptions they are going to have to do without. They try to make them stretch by taking less than full doses.

I pay $120 ($40/month) for a 3 month supply of Advair to control my Asthma. $60 ($20/month) for a 3 month supply of Albuterol. So I pay $180 every 3 months for medication that could save my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to decide what medication was most important, I'd be cutting the contraception first.

My point is that when drugs are expensive it would seem that the most prudent thing to do would be to eliminate the cost of the most important life-saving medications first. Things like Epi-pens and Nitro-tabs and rescue inhalers. Then the next most important thing would be to eliminate or reduce the cost of preventative or controlling medications, blood pressure pills, choesterol drugs, anti-depressants, etc. The last thing that we should be looking to reduce cost on are optional medications that do not treat life threatening disease, like fertility treatments, Viagra and contraception. No one will die if they don't have a baby and no one will die if they don't have sex. The only reason to make this last category of drugs any more important than the first two is to elicit a knee jerk response from women's health advocates. It seems to be working.

irespond 2315268-

the joy of my argument is that it encompasses BOTH men and women..........my point was to address both the needs of men AND women with the same argument........

which is another reason why this whole thing is absurd................please read my post again and look at it from BOTH stand points............the argument each side is using is the same the outcome would be the same and both interests have been addressed and accommodated for decades...

the need to have either conversation is moot........these are dead issues and everyone knows it and we would not even be having these conversations on either side except that it is a Presidential election year.

The republicans trying to control what we can do with our bodies by law is a lot worse than the argument they put forth that Obama Care FORCES people to participate in a program they should not have to if they do not want to..........the republicans regulating (isn't that a NON-republican word?) what we can and cannot do with our bodies is a lot more controlling than mandated health care coverage..........

I mind it a lot more if the government gets into my body, and I do mean INTO my body, than into my wallet.

We all pay taxes that support programs that even murders and rapists and abusive husbands get to take advantage of......so why do THESE kinds of people get to avail themselves or our tax payer funded programs and yet we want to deny funded services to the rest of tax payers....take my taxes and my premiums and provide me a service......it is business...it is NOT religious, it is NOT political, it is NOT morally or ethically wrong, it is PERSONAL and PRIVATE and what I can and cannot do with my body is my choice made with my money...as it is for men..

the republicans want us to stop running the world but are ok with taking away Americans choices and running our lives from the government stage...........stop already!

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS,.....get it!

@Sean-336944

Backcountry164, you said, "HIS Recreational sex? If you're talking about a married couple wouldn't the Viagra be for both of their benefit?"

I can only imagine you're a newlywed...

Ummm, no. And I can imagine what sort of woman you must be or must be married to but I won't break the NewsVine "Code of Honor" to mention it.

@Debbie McCarten

The republicans trying to control what we can do with our bodies by law is a lot worse than the argument they put forth that Obama Care FORCES people to participate in a program they should not have to if they do not want to..........the republicans regulating (isn't that a NON-republican word?) what we can and cannot do with our bodies is a lot more controlling than mandated health care coverage..........

The whole "republicans trying to control what we can do with our bodies" is a BS argument because, in their minds, that's not what they're trying to do. They are trying to protect the body that is inside of you and, quite frankly, as is often the case, they could care less what impact that actually has on YOUR body. Some of the more extreme don't even accept abortion when the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

For the record I'm pro-choice myself but when I debate this issue with someone from the other side I don't us a BS argument because that hardly fortifies my position.

@Xtina

I suppose I should have said that I paid that amount in 1994 - due to cancer I've had a hysterectomy, so I don't worry about birth control but despite having healthcare insurance that I pay a fortune for each month - I have RA, I just went to the pharmacy today, picking up my monthly pills - the bill was $476.52, to answer your question, yes, I have had to skip medications some months because I couldn't afford them, some I absolutely cannot quit without tapering down, so I have to juggle my food and other budgets to make sure that I can pay this ridiculous amount for meds - all but one are generic.

I don't know why you are jumping at me, this article has had some pretty witty discussions - my only point was that Big Pharma makes a huge profit on all medications and ones insurance company (whom I have no control over) has said that I cannot have a knee cartilage replacement (despite 10 years of bone on bone agony) yet a man with the same coverage that I have, can get a penile implant. The reason he can get the implant is because (this is what the insurance company told me) - men who have small penises suffer "emotionally."

So, by the time I'm old enough for a knee replacement (standard issue I suppose) - the bone may be too degraded - so I could face loosing my leg (but at least some man with a penile implant will be happy)!

Are you happy now? Am I sick enough for you -RA is NOT a walk in the park (no pun intended, since I can no longer take long walks, water exercise only - which I cannot afford either).

Black Kettle - I'm not jumping all over you. Whaqt I'm trying to do is point out how inheritently UNFAIR it is that women who are not sick are now going to be able to obtain completely optional medication to prevent a condition that is not even a disease while folks like yourself are paying out the nose for medications and procedures that can extend and improve their quality of life. We as women should be pushing to have ALL medication covered with no co-pay, not just contraception. The only reason they put this bill forward was to pander to the women's vote because some people think that the only healthcare that women care about are the issues that pertain to our breasts and our vaginas. As if "women's health" doesn't encompass 99% of the same issues that men face with their heath. If Obama wants to fix healthcare, he's going to have to go a hell of a lot further than giving me the pill for free.

Xina

I think we are actually both on the same page, I completely agree with your assessment:

We as women should be pushing to have ALL medication covered with no co-pay, not just contraception.

MSNBC put this as a top story because they knew people would make a fuss - what this senator is trying to do (I think, but could be wrong) - is highlight, not the price of birth control, but rather that legislation about women's right to control their body is under a lot of pressure, we are not too far away from having no doctors willing to perform an abortion, etc. That is how I looked at it - it will never pass but there is a mentality that women's health is just not as important as men's health - and not only in the reproductive sense. I don't think she is "pandering for a vote because she's not up for reelection until 2014 - and this debate will be long forgotten by then. I agree, Obama has to do much more on universal healthcare and man, woman or child should not matter - all should be covered for what they need - Cuba has some of the world's best doctors and universal healthcare because they don't spend a dime on their military - Obama would have to overhaul Big Pharma (no more lobbyists or doctor bonuses), the FDA needs to grow a spine and put people's health first, and insurance companies need to work for the people not for huge profits and Big Pharma again. Everyone will be screaming that if that were to happen it would be "socialized" medicine and "oh, the horror," when it has been working well for years in the EU. I voted for him, but I don't think he has a spine - nothing that he promised has really happened...I take that back, his slogan was "Change," we have had "Change" in the sense that the economy is actually worse despite the daily "less jobless" claims. Do I think any Republican can tackle the issue better - NO. It's the people, you and me, etc... that will have to put aside differences and work very hard for equitable, affordable healthcare for all - I know elderly people who can't eat and afford their medications - life-saving medications, it is a travesty that profit is more important than a person's life.

If this Senator would have said that all Americans should have free medicine, she never would have made a blip on the screen, she would be considered a nutjob - that is the problem we are facing, no one will face the issue of healthcare, just like they didn't and won't face Wall Street, didn't face the housing debacle, the list goes on and on - I would love to blame Bush but he's gone and nothing has gotten better and no one is proposing anything but more war?!

I think we agree - perhaps here and there a slightly different opinion but nothing that is a make or break it point, I'm not sure about the "pandering" but I see where you are coming from and you may well be correct and it's OK to respectfully agree to disagree sometimes, as long as the boat is still moving forward (not stuck) :) .

So men, women, old & young, all races, creeds and political ideologies need to come together to do what Washington won't do - if your child is sick, we need to feel as much empathy as if everyone's child were sick - coming together could get us beneficial healthcare for all.... it's so simple, yet it seems that bickering will kill us all in the end.

backcountry164

I find it ironic that republicans want to protect an unwanted child and force the mother to give birth but cut programs that would help the mother raise the child.....where are the programs that support the child they so desperately want to save?...........and along with cutting the birth to kindergarten programs the republicans next want to gut education........

please, if they were really concerned about the welfare of the child they would have a plan to help that child attain a productive fulfilled life.....instead as soon as the child is born the republicans concern ends..................it takes more than a village to raise a child, it takes food programs, daycare, health and dental care, clothing, housing and schooling and of course a lot of love........these things cost money and that is one thing the republicans give freely and carelessly to the uber 1% and yet deny vigorously and with impunity from giving the same to ANYONE ELSE...including pregnant moms...

guess their argument would be..."you got yourself pregnant now you take responsibility for it"....but Dads get to abscond from their responsibilities........and we all know it takes two to make a baby...or maybe the republicans think women do this to themselves all by themselves.

You can't just say "you have to have this baby" and then just walk away..........by passing any law with this kind of regulation the government must assume responsibility for the life they save.

But of course the republicans don't seem to think that far ahead.

Typical...half an idea and no real plan.

Some things never change.

It is not right to mess with people lives.....unless you are willing to assume responsibility for what your actions cause.

Debbie McCarten

I find it ironic that republicans want to protect an unwanted child and force the mother to give birth but cut programs that would help the mother raise the child.....where are the programs that support the child they so desperately want to save?...........

I believe the standard republican response would be abstinence outside of marriage which would largely solve both problems. Aside from that I stand by my point, whether there stance is ironic or not, denying that it is what it is in order to argue against it is not going to change anyones mind. It's really not that hard to figure out and it is almost entirely based on their religious views, not sure why so many liberals don't get that. Their God tells them killing a baby is wrong but He has nothing negative to say about raising said child in poverty. Religion makes all sorts of people do and think wacky things. Only if you accept their position for what it is can you make arguments that can counter their "logic". Attempting to turn it into something else, trying to "control womens bodies" in this case, allows them to dismiss you outright.

It is pretty apparent that some people took my comment seriously...and honestly, I think it is a little freaky that we are spending tons of money for guys my age to have erections. We are gonna be dead before the little munchkins graduate, so it might be better to let nature take its course.

The legislator in question was making a point. The point was that many of the laws proposed by Republican legislatures assume that women are so feeble minded they barely understand how they got pregnant or that there is a baby in their uterus. Take it a step further. What if they made a male look at a picture of a baby every time he wanted to ejaculate...you know, just to make sure that he understood there might be a baby involved. We would like the hell out of that, wouldn't we?

@Sean-336944

So you're advocating that married people practice forced abstinence?

Huh? You know I'm pretty sure most community colleges offer courses in reading comprehension, you should check into that. Let me try again, this time I'll use bold to empasise what you should pay attention to.

"I believe the standard republican (notice how I say " standard republican" and not "our standard" indicating that I am speaking of people whom I do not identify with) response would be abstinence outside of marriage (outside-adj- 4a. Not belonging to or originating in a certain group or association- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/outside - in this case the "group or association" would be married people so "outside of marriage" means people who are NOT married) which would largely solve both problems."

Take a couple minutes to look it all over, I'm sure you'll get it ;)

backcountry164

abstinence.....really?...................you know this is 2012, right?

in bygone years, when we were ignorant and judgemental and society openly punished women (not men) for pregnancies outside of marriage abstinence was pretty much the only solution....

but here we are in the year 2012 and we have birth control and condoms (do the republicans consider condoms with the same attitude as birth control pills.....or is it ok because it is the male who uses it?) and men can have vasectomies and women can have their tubes tied (are these things acceptable to republicans?) and abstinence is no longer the only option just the most archaic.....to deny the fact that as humans we are designed to function within certain parameters and call on abstinence and religious faith and its rules to curb being human and acting human in a human world is immature and dangerous.

The fact that throughout history many women who got pregnant outside of marriage were ostracised or murdered while their counterparts who got them pregnant (the men) got off scott free...in a male dominated world women were treated like chattel...they had no say, no rights..they were as property....men have never had to endure what women have and for any of you to ask any of us to give up even the smallest portions of the rights we have gained is a pipe dream.......

male chauvinism should be dead by this time in history...........

deal with it.

@Debbie McCarten

abstinence.....really?...................you know this is 2012, right?

I'm not a republican Debbie, you're wasting your arguments on me. Did you even read my entire post or just jump right to the reply button after the first sentence? Try to be a little less desperate to push your opinion on people and A-you might realize that for the most part they agree with you and B- you'll seem a lot less like the people you whine about. Liberals frantic to push their side of the view while ignoring everything else really aren't any better than the conservative who do the same thing. Flip side of the same coin in my book.

backcountry164

I did not call you a republican I referred to the republican viewpoint and their actions to ensure it is the law of the land....it is republicans who bring this topic, debate, battle whatever you want to call it to the foreground...using reference to republicans does not mean I am singling you out personally as it is a party of people forcing time, energies and monies toward a topic long since settled.

I would not even be commenting on this at all if it were not for the fact that the republicans are trying to make their religious sanctions law for all...........law...not opinion not personal faith not open discussion, but law for all to be obedient to regardless of individual beliefs or opinions than may differ from republican rhetoric.

This is not whining...this is outrage.

If there are those who agree with me I welcome their solidarity but for those who would press upon all peoples the scriptures of their faith I rage at their audacity in trying to rule the lives of not just those of their own ilk but of all.

If my passion offends I apologize..........but it has become evident that one must speak in the tongue of the zealot to be heard by them and it seems louder is better than not when the zealot seeks to take the life I would choose for myself and force the life chosen for me by them and shove it down my throat.

@Debbie McCarten

If there are those who agree with me I welcome their solidarity but for those who would press upon all peoples the scriptures of their faith I rage at their audacity in trying to rule the lives of not just those of their own ilk but of all.

And how often does "raging" result in a positive outcome? Most often it will just get you ignored. So good luck with that.

backcountry164

Raging brought about the colonists independence from England, raging united the US in the civil war, raging brought about the civil rights movement, raging brought about the end of the Vietnam war, raging brought about equal rights for women ( a work still in progress)....rage and passion and commitment have literally molded this nation and will continue to do so....it was rage that brought about the birth of the United Nations as the world raged at what Germany had done in World War II and committed itself to preventing war by offering a platform for open dialogue between nations.....

I think there have been some very positive results from rage, passion and commitment.

But, maybe I'm wrong.

A person sure can't tell the truth here.

Of course it won't pass, there are too many OWM sitting in the legislature and they only want control over women's health and contraception.

Kelly, you may be missing the point. This bill mimics hoops women have to jump through to get a legal abortion. An abortion that is perceived as needed b y a women that is performed, helps that woman live her life to her specifications. It is not up to us to judge her or her decision. Birth control too is becoming an issue women are once again having to justify using...some are even labeled sluts and whores by a famous radio personality and his hanger-on-ers...Birth control helps, not just the women but the men they are involved with...So totally get your point but not sure how you got there, especially since you are a woman, you should be supportive of this bill.

Blocking off Viagra will prevent a number of unexpected pregnancies.

I understand the point she is trying to make, but she is doing it in a very ignorant and childish manner that will only waste the legislature's time and the taxpayer's money. She needs to grow up and act like an adult if she wants to be taken seriously. Stooping to the level of the ignorant right wing conservatives does nothing to boost her own credibility and instead makes her look like a whining idiot. Attack the legislation that you disagree with, don't introduce an equally absurd bill that will just waste everyone's time and make you look foolish.

So will abstinence. As in everything else, consider the source, another democrat wanting 15 minutes.

Here, here!

InAmerica? Taxpayers don't pay for birth control. Guess you'd have to have a job to know how insurance works...but your viagra AND birth control are covered by the insurance women pay for.

"Blocking off Viagra will prevent a number of unexpected pregnancies."

Wait a minute ElkMeadow. Limiting viagra equates to contraception use. Does Rick Santorum know about this Blasphemy.

As in everything else, consider the source, another democrat wanting 15 minutes.

Hardly, more like another woman who is sick and tired of OWM sticking their noses in decisions made between us and our doctor.

JS in SD

"I understand the point she is trying to make, but she is doing it in a very ignorant and childish manner that will only waste the legislature's time and the taxpayer's money. She needs to grow up and act like an adult if she wants to be taken seriously. Stooping to the level of the ignorant right wing conservatives does nothing to boost her own credibility and instead makes her look like a whining idiot. Attack the legislation that you disagree with, don't introduce an equally absurd bill that will just waste everyone's time and make you look foolish. Post 3.5"

The 'Heart beat" bill is foolish, whining idiocy, and a waste of legislator's time and taxpayer's money. That's what Nina's spotlighting with her bill. She's hoisting the OWM's on their own petard. Excellent!

Kelly don't dumb down the topic. If men can't get an erection, life goes on. No one ever said insurance should pay for what we Want Not what We Need. If a man never gets an erection, he will not physically curl and die. Some men lose erections for medical reason at an early age. Hey some women are barren. In case no one noticed, over 50 percent of the employed people in the USA is now women. We are sick and tired of paying for the this crap for men and we can't even get birth control with a co pay paid for by insurance? Grow up and pull your big girl and boy panties up.

Could the sexism be any more blatant?

“I’m fed up over all this concern, consideration and conversation over the feeble and fragile minds of women who are unable to make decisions on their own,” Turner said. “I thought it was time to show our men some love and some regulation. It was time to level the playing field for all.”

Turner said she started working on SB 307 about three weeks ago, and made sure the language mimicked the abortion legislation."

She clearly takes personal offense about abortion legislation and in return draws up a bill simply to "level the playing field"??? Does she not have an actual job to do? What a waste of taxpayer money paying her salary to air her personal grievances in legislature.

Imagine a man introducing a bill to require businesses to provide the same amount of maternity leave to men as to women... you know "to level the playing field".

P.S.

It takes 3 weeks to mimic an existing bill? What a performer.

Imagine a man introducing a bill to require businesses to provide the same amount of maternity leave to men as to women... you know "to level the playing field".

In Europe both men and women are granted "new parent" leave...someday the US might catch up if we can outlive the atavistic OWM paternalists, that is.

pjam: yup, she has an actual job to do and she's doing it. Quite well! I'd say half the population shares this "personal grievance" and a whole lot of that half is cheering her on. Three weeks for legislation too much for you? Aren't you cute...

And what about the pregnancies that are the result of rape? I cannot imagine the disgust and loathing a woman might feel toward that thing growing in her body that will forever remind her of a violent rape. Many women would like to kill the guy who raped her... how can she feel any love for his progeny? You have all these pat answers for everything and it's obvious as hell that you are not a woman. I'll bet you would have a whole different outlook if you found out you were pregnant!

And what about the pregnancies that are the result of rape?

Is rape consensual sex?

How many women do you know who had abortions because of rape? What exactly are the numbers? Yeah, that's what I thought. If you think abortions should be allowed because of rape, then that's one thing. But if you are thinking that everyone should be allowed abortions even if they weren't raped, then your logic boils down to the fact of convenience.

If y'all want to bring God into this, perhaps God doesn't want old men to procreate. What does a 60 or 70 year old Dad have to offer a newborn in the way of fatherly guidance? Nothing! The father will be long dead when that child becomes a teenager and truly needs a father.

I fully realize that everybody is different. I am 62 years old and my equipment does not respond as strongly as it did just a few years ago despite my strong desires. Should I take Viagra and seek younger women to fulfill those desires? My wife of 42 years has graciously grown old at my side. She lost interest in our sexual relationship several years before me. She wants to be held in loving and loyal arms that place no demands on her. She sometimes responds to my weak advances as we both rekindle a long ago love affair.

Nobody wants to hear about Grandpa and Grandma getting it on. Yet , many of us give an old geyser a wink and a nod as he parades his trophy wife in pursuit of power and great wealth.

@Unhappy,

More to the point it misses the qualifier in the original statement which was consensual sex, not rape!

@Common

What does a 60 or 70 year old Dad have to offer a newborn in the way of fatherly guidance?

You're exactly right; age is a definitely consideration when having children. Someone 60 or 70 is likely to be overwhelmed by a toddler, let alone an adolescent.

Gini.. how do you relate legal abortion to erectile enhancement?

Itis... yeah all those middle age people are doing great with their IPOD kids that cannot figure out how to operate a calculator. Someone 70 is more likely to have the TIME to help raise a child. This is what is missing... the parents from the lives of their children.

What would I know. Five kids, no police records, all with college degrees from a top tier institution, house and cars all paid off, savings in the bank, achieving their graduate work now... just takes time in their lives to gently guide them to success.

You people think a socialist check is the answer and path to this. Good luck with that.

Sean,

Kudos for the clarity and logic.

What would I know. Five kids, no police records, all with college degrees from a top tier institution, house and cars all paid off, savings in the bank, achieving their graduate work now... just takes time in their lives to gently guide them to success.

I have a conservative-god-fearing relative who could make the same statement. All of her children are so mentally ill they can barely get out of bed in the morning without medication. They claw through life unable to handle the simplest things, bouncing off the rails when even a slight challenge comes their way. As a capper to that they have spawned at least a half dozen other human beings ranging from locked-up disturbed to non-functional disturbed. From the outside they all seem okay. Until something happens and you have actually deal with one of them.

As someone very intelligent once said, "It's your lie, you tell it."

As in everything else, consider the source, another democrat wanting 15 minutes.

Right, because God knows Republicans never introduce ridiculous legislation just to make a point.

pjam09 - We already have legislation for male maternity leave - the Family Medical Leave act. A man can take off as much time as a woman for the birth of a child.

@it is what it is; Adam and Eve had 2 children both male and 1 killed his brother.If they were the beginning of man and Eve being the only woman would'nt that make her and incestuous slut by limbaughs standards and all of mankind inbred?

Why is the birth control argument always aimed at single women? Married couples use birth control too. And I'm sure it's not just single ladies getting abortions. As a husband I would not want my wife to go through anymore anguish than necessary if we had ever made a decision to terminate a pregnancy.

I've known a few women who've had abortions. Rape and incest weren't the reason. The reasons were NO ONE'S DAMN BUSINESS.

The decision is painful enough without legislators and the God Squad making things worse. This bill is in response to the onslaught on women's rights to decide for themselves, and it's about damn time.

I LOVE IT!

Love this 1000 x's!!!!!

I understand the point she is trying to make, but she is doing it in a very ignorant and childish manner that will only waste the legislature's time and the taxpayer's money.

No, I think it's Boehner who is wasting Ohio's money, is ignorant and childish. Let's get rid of him first! He will NEVER let this bill pass, he may need those little blue pills.

Sean- You say life begins when the fetus can breathe outside of the womb. Yet there are many Micro -premies born every day before 26 weeks gestation. Because of advances in the NICU, 24 weeks is now considered the age of viability and babies born now have a 50% chance of survival. Rare survivors have been documented at 21 weeks gestation. By your own reasoning "Take an embryo or fetus out of the womb and see how it survives. Or doesn't. Until the infant breathes on its own, it's a parasitic body inside the mother, incapable of sustaining itself;" fetuses at 21 weeks gestation might be alive. Do we not then have an ethical responsibility to deliver those fetuses by c-section and give them a chance at survival rather than destroying them? Yet only 13 states have a ban on post-viability abortions and pro-choice groups are working to repeal those laws. If you say, but they can't breathe on their own, they will likely need medical intervention, well the same can be said for anyone who requires time on a ventilator to heal. Would you deny a person CPR because they are no longer breathing on their own and are therefore dead? Do you think that insurance companies should be able to decline payment for ventilators to accident victims? These are real questions about medical ethics and cannot and should no tbe answered by religious people. But they do in fact need to be answered. Life doen't begin when a baby's head crowns in the birth canal, if that's the case my 3 year old son is not alive as he was delivered via C-section. What you're really saying is that an unborn child isn't alive unless the child's mother wills it. So what about those teenage moms who smother their children upon birth on the bathroom floor and dump the body in a dumpster. How is that different from a woman 39 weeks pregnant choosing an abortion? By your logic she should be able to. But of course no one thinks that a woman in labor should be allowed to choose to "change her mind" at that point and ask for a doctor to kill the baby before it's born. So we agree that at some point the fetus does in fact become a baby with rights of it's own. What we don't all seem to agree on is when during the gestational process that point is.

@culheath

In Europe both men and women are granted "new parent" leave...someday the US might catch up if we can outlive the atavistic OWM paternalists, that is.

Catch up to Europe? UP? Europe is spiraling down the drain in case you haven't noticed, why would we want to catch "up" to that?

ITsWhat and Common,

I guess you would have to ask the dozens of foster children my parents have raised over the last 15+ years, from infants to teenagers, what a 60 to 80 year old man/woman can offer a newborn in motherly/fatherly advice. The fact that all of them still refer to them as Grandmother and Gramps and ask their adoptive or custodial parents to still stay in touch and to visit answers that question. The unconditional love and care an infant receives from its primary care provider in those first 24 month is essential to its proper physical and psychological development. A person's ability to "bond" with others is set during this time. One 16 year old they kept for 6 weeks interim, until she went to a perminant foster home ended up back in the system with her own baby a few years later after she was 18. When she found out in court that the baby was going to my parents, she told the judge she couldn't think of a better place she would want her to go. That included her own relatives. That says something to me.

@SEAN

ItIsWhat!t!s, sorry God agrees with me because this is Hebrew law as well.You know, as in the Chosen People who don't need to be Baptised to be in God's favor.

Wasn't it the Jewish nation who rejected God's son and appealed to the Roman government to have him crucified? I don't know if they're sitting so hot on their own merit. The last time I checked all men come under the same standard for favor with God. The only way to attain is accepting Jesus redemptive work. Paul, a Jewish rabbi, writes: There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I think they know what they're talking about when addressing the Old Testament. And this is what they believe. And of course, you might know that Jesus was a Jew, wanted to be their king, so this would have been His law too.

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."(John 18:36)

Yes, I am saying life only begins outside the womb. That's exactly what I'm saying. Take an embryo or fetus out of the womb and see how it survives. Or doesn't. Until the infant breathes on its own, it's a parasitic body inside the mother, incapable of sustaining itself. It's no more alive than your arm until it can breath on its own.

So the inability to support oneself negates life? Under that logic any child unable to legally obtain a work permit in the United States is dead and a parasite to their parents. Just because an unborn child isn't developed enough to support life on it's own are you suggesting all children are conceived dead? What about premature babies?

You seem to blame women for getting pregnant..... you don't seem to have a problem with the men doing so.

What is the justification, in the cases of pregnancy by CONSENSUAL SEX, which don't endanger the life of the mother, that a woman should be allowed to have an abortion, other than convenience? I don't blame women for getting pregnant, or men for impregnating them, I question any woman's ability to terminate a life, she could have avoided by not taking the risk of having premarital sex. Let's be clear here. Anyone using a contraceptive is taking a gamble. You're gambling that a condom isn't defective or that a birth control pill will regulate your hormones. Unexpected pregnancy, means you gambled and lost.

I might suggest the same to you - if you don't want women getting pregnant, stop indescriminently knocking them up. and where you're not just making your "morality" up as you go, which I know for a fact you are. Therefore I can only assume...

On what are you basing I have children, unprotected sex, or children out of wedlock?

Morality Law. In fact, our laws are based on ethics more than morality.You see, one's "morality" is like pieholes, everyone's got theirs...Or something like that. You want morality over law, the Taliban will be happy to oblige you.

Of the few Christians you do know, how many actually blow themselves up? Morals are standards and ethics are based on morality. Ethics are subjective, Morals are not. A person can lie, using "situational" ethics, but is lying a moral? You can't have ethics without a some sense of right or wrong. Duh!

Your religious views have no bearing on our government and its laws, and the Constitution is clear about this. As are the writings of those who assembled that document.

hmmm

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. – the first ammendment

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." – John adams

"Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ." – John Madison
I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to

everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment." – Roger Sherman

"I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself." – william penn

In case you can't put two and two together, those were the writers of the constitution.

Not that the Bible is the end-all and be-all for morality either, given that it allows you to sell your daughter into slavery,

But that applies to Jews....Wait for it: No true scotsman would ever do such a thing...Jews are above such practices..

Only Christians have, do, and will shove their noses where they have no business being....So bring on the Sharia law and then we can see who regrets bringing religion into every day life.....Particularly that of others.....You'll get what you deserve....If we're going to go that way, theirs are yours are no different to me, so we might as well go that route......Afterall, I've never had a Jew, Muslim or anyone else in the US ever suggest I need to do as they do.I'll cut that nose off...... So, if you want to dictate your morality based on your narrow views...I've met fewer than one handful of Christians who are capable and who have the intellect to do that....You're not one.

I've lumped all this babble together, because that about as much sense as it makes. That is why I suggest..you stop talking

Don't bet on it. I am a guy, and I recognize how dumb we can be to such things. Look at Rich Santorum for god's sake.

casualty09 very well said. Inquiring minds would love to know what happend to getting government out of regulating everything under the sun (sarcasim) the GOP vow? Seems government regulation does have a place in society. GOP just lost women's vote and support the Dem's are the party of choice.

John Mack

"Don't bet on it. I am a guy, and I recognize how dumb we can be to such things. Look at Rich Santorum for god's sake. Post 5.1"

PLEASE! I just finished dinner.

JSD: yup the Male bridge to no where was a mature and responsible legistative act. How many women voted for that compared to the Great White Male?

rjw: you must be joking...do you KNOW the ratio of men to women in the US Congress? Find another argument to prove how superior men are...we'll wait....

John Mack, repeat the opposum lodge men's prayer:

I'm a man, but I can change, If I have to, I guess.

A Democrat spending 3 weeks to copy an existing bill simply "to level the playing field" because she personally felt the abortion bill caused women to appear "feeble minded"?

Yes clearly very important work and a wonderful use of taxpayer money.

Can you not smell the air of elitism and untouchableness? Anthony Wiener style.

pjam: fighting Republican Taliban laws on vaginal probes and forced ultrasounds? Yup...an EXCELLENT use of taxpayer money and clearly important work. Just look who she upset!! Priceless....

pjam09--if women are not "feeble-minded," then why do they have to be forced to listen to information that is false in the hopes that the false information will change their minds?

Many of the "informed" abortion bills insist that doctors read information that the doctors themselves know is false. Other "informed" abortion bills require invasive and unnecessary procedures--which the women have to pay for, bub--and long waits to obtain care that is already difficult to get because the hope is that they will change their minds . . . being too feeble-minded to think of other options.

And, writing a bill that is legally sound is actually extremely difficult--one cannot just parody the language, one must look up a lot of medical information to be able to substitute one bit of medical jargon for another. Given the fact that the woman has a day job, and this was just a side-project of hers . . . yeah, it could take 3 weeks to get a version that is sound enough that it is actually just as "reasonable" as the abortion bill.

I think she should broaden the bill to cover not merely Viagra, but all surgery on the male sex organ--including vasectomies. I am quite sure that a man who needs surgery for testicular cancer, for example, is going to be just as thrilled about a two-day wait as a woman who needs an abortion because she has developed a potentially life-threatening condition (but is not yet in crisis) and the fetus is not far enough along to be viable. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander.

Sean...

Remember 10-years ago when you nodded your head and said.. good idea...

I know that 50 years ago, making abortions legal was the best idea. Now we have crazies trying to take us back. Go Nina, I'm pulling for you.

Yes clearly very important work and a wonderful use of taxpayer money.

Oh, please. Both parties waste taxpayer money like it was toilet paper.

Brian excellent! Love the name! We need them in every state that is trying to take away women's rights!

Unaboner Bill...

Un-boner bill

Boneless Bill.

Hey, it could be an enlarged prostate caused by cancer or something. Transrectal exams would be for their own good. Men are much too simple to possibly understand the health consequences of erectile dysfunction and really need the governments intervention to ensure they truely KNOW what they would be taking. Never mind that most men would gladly take a heart attack for a roll in the hay.

Clearly these OWM's are suffering from an extended case of cranial rectum inversion. Sadly, I doubt a come-along would be able to 'get their head out'.

Nora, I liked that. I know what your referring to and I agree. There's and old saying (whats good for the goose is good for the gander) guess that dates me doesn't it.

Yes, and they should also be given information about how a failure to get an erection with a female could well be a sign of an altered sexual orientation, given that male sexual orientation is so fluid. A simple change of lifestyle could easily resolve the problem without medication.

Of course, I'm being comic--but this is just about as accurate as the information given to women about abortions--the little script the doctors are forced to read in some states is laughably wrong.

Yes, and both participants in any sexual activity should be married, genetically certified and licensed to bear children. Other than that, strict celibacy. In fact, non-marital, non-procreational sex should be outlawed altogether. LOL!

The apocalypse would come once a month.

proamerica: open a window and breathe. Poor baby. Really sucks when people assume you aren't capable of putting one foot in front of the other, doesn't it?? Know JUST how you feel....

Wow Proamerica, where do you live? Don't you get why the bill is on the table? Its here because of people who think that women should put up with this @!$%#...But men don't have to. For years I have said if men had to have their balls pressed flat for testicular cancer exams, like women's breasts are for mammograms, a new way of finding the cancer would be here and widely used. But because women are the ones stuck with such painful exams and not men...well we know what priorities there are. We spend billions on wars but can't come up with an inexpensive exam for women's breasts.

Women have had to put up with so many inequalities for centuries. This bill is just leveling the playing field by mimicking what women have to go through to get an abortion. Why not have men who want to have Viagra have to jump through the same hoops? After all, if they can't get a hard on, no need for birth control or abortion-all sides win! Those that want to limit birth control and those that want to eliminate abortion!

Women do not hate men. men are our father, brothers, sons and friends. Where are these articles proclaiming women better than men? Please...and where do you get such an idiotic idea that we should extract semen and then kill men??? I think you are watching or reading too much sci-fi featuring Amazon women societies. Wow, still shaking my head!

Ok Gini we get it. After seeing you post like 40 comments on this topic, it is obvious what you think. BTW...thanks so much for all of the clever comparative imagery. Comparing things like "balls pressed flat" to "women's breasts" and "can't get a hard on"...making your point in a classy way, eh?

And your assertion about breast cancer and it being a woman's issue so those evil men controlling cancer research and development are just keeping the sisters down? Dumb argument. Dumb. Are you saying that there are no women involved in cancer research? It is all just men? Last time I checked the statistics showed women enrolling in university graduate programs at like 60%...so it would stand to reason that there are plenty of women involved with all kinds of medical research...including breast cancer detection methods.

And as far as "painful exams" and men go...you obviously need to look into what prostate exams and colonoscopies entail. I'm sure mammograms are not pleasant, but neither are these.

Ghengis No where did I say anything about evil men or keeping the sister down. Glad you like the comparative imagery though. I was making a point you missed. You are absolutely right about colonoscopies being painful-women have them too, prostrate I would not know-I imagine they are as uncomfortable as pelvic exams and paps. You are right about women in medical research, touche. But the point being, there are many things women have had to endure through the centuries that men have never had to and never will. This includes jumping through hoops to get female health care. THAT was the point, in case it was not obvious enough. I applaud Ms. Turner, for creating such a crazy bill to point out the inequality that should be obvious to all, including someone as obviously intelligent as you. I am surprised you missed the intent of my letters.

Gee Ghengis whos your doc. My doc just has a PSA test done on me and the I've had 3 colonoscopies done and have watched everyone of them on the monitor. It was facinating to watch and I didn't feel any pain as he nipped those nasty pre cancerous polopes off but my last one was clean

Ghengis Khan, for the record, women get colonoscopies, too. As for prostate exams, please remember that we get a wonderful gynecological exam every year after we first get our period. Men only need prostate exams starting at about age 50. Slight difference there, right? Take a step back and actually look at what is going on here. Why should the government be able to step in and try to control how women handle their own bodies and reproductive system, but leave men completely alone? This bill is just trying to point out an obvious inequality.

@Gini

For years I have said if men had to have their balls pressed flat for testicular cancer exams, like women's breasts are for mammograms, a new way of finding the cancer would be here and widely used. But because women are the ones stuck with such painful exams and not men...well we know what priorities there are. We spend billions on wars but can't come up with an inexpensive exam for women's breasts.

Under that logic, why haven't woman invented a new means for themselves? You saying men are smarter or women enjoy pain?

Women have had to put up with so many inequalities for centuries.

Are you really gonna play the gender card here? How hot was that stove you got through slaving over this afternoon?

This bill is just leveling the playing field by mimicking what women have to go through to get an abortion.

You don't need a doctor's prescription to get an abortion. You don't have to jump through hoops to get a contraceptive. You do have to if you're going to make a religious organization to pay for them.

Why not have men who want to have Viagra have to jump through the same hoops?

The purpose of viagra is to help men who can't get it up, is a woman really going to need an abortion if she's infertile or can't bear children?

After all, if they can't get a hard on, no need for birth control or abortion-all sides win!

Let's see the whole purpose of sex is having kids, so if a man can't get it up, the human race suffers. If a woman has an abortion society can be said to be potentially cheated out of a valuable member of society. Who actually wins again?

Those that want to limit birth control and those that want to eliminate abortion!

Birth control or religious organizations paying for contraceptives?

I applaud Ms. Turner, for creating such a crazy bill to point out the inequality that should be obvious to all, including someone as obviously intelligent as you.

You mean wasting everyone's time to push a liberal agenda? She knows the bill isn't going anywhere.

Yes, I can see the rightwingnut males are sweating now. Go Nina Go!

As for prostate exams, please remember that we get a wonderful gynecological exam every year after we first get our period. Men only need prostate exams starting at about age 50.

Maybe men should have to get penograms once a year, like mammograms for women. Stick it on the shelf and let the tech smash it down tight so they can get a good image...

Someone's feeling oh so very sorry for himself. Pobrecito.

Get over it. Men still earn 130+ % of women's salaries over a lifetime. We have a difficult time feeling sorry for you as long as that inequality continues.

@Gina

I think the men are jealous at all the stars you are getting (not sarc)- shouldn't you be planning your husband's next meal and washing his laundry or something (sarc)!

@Sean

An erection is not required in order to ejaculate.

Just as insurance coverage isn't a requirement for obtaining birth control.

If it's God's will, the man will find another way..

Another way to form an erection? Males use Viagra as a sex aid. The females trying to use birth control aren't trying to have sex, are they?

when a bill prevents healthcare for women,

So just because a religious organization doesn't women to pay for contraceptives, they can't get them elsewhere? I know planned parenting does something.

(even if my mom needed contraception well into her late 50s due to ovarian cysts), but when it's about a Viagra subscription it's a "Liberal Agenda?"

So oral contraceptives are the only way to regulate cysts? Why do experts disagree on using them for that purpose?

People must run into you all the time, because you're transparent.

Those around you must be deaf from always listening to you talk.

Speaking of transparency, the thought of being unable to score Viagra seems to really get you freaked out. I'm sorry about your problem.

On what are you basing that I need viagra?

Cygnus, either your snark isn't showing well or you're missing the satirical nature of the bill.

Colbert isn't really a conservative either.

Satirical nature of a bill?

So we are paying this person to make light and not work? Three weeks of no work then form her own mouth?

Mn when this all comes down there will be a lot of people eating each other... but you will say it is ok because it is all just a joke.

@Dropkick

I'm way past having to worry about my snark, and we need to remember that when we put clowns in office, we all have to live in a circus, while they waste our money making balloon animals and tweaking our noses. Leave satire to SNL, we need statesmanship or "stateswomanship" to please all the militant "good for the gander" dipwads. There are enough legitimate concerns to keep every politician busy without this "feel good" crapola.

And if you really, really believe that there is a difference between today's "liberal, conservative, independent" politician under the skin, I have some prime oceanfront property in Wyoming you might like to buy.

Ged Teacher, Pleasae list the restrictions on womens health, please educate me. My wife is 58 and has never been refused any medical treatment. What are these restrictions??

GED teach - Since men don't need to be able to have sex you must also be in support of chastity belts for women right? As soon as the man can't get an erection the wife gets one installed and the key gets thrown away... they don't need to be able to enjoy sex either right? ... as the article states "level the playing field".

It is not surprising you are a teacher in the American education system.

Sean & American, Actually the Virginia bill was signed into law by Gov. Bob McDonnell yesterday. Incredibly, invasive ultrasound by virginal probe is now the law in that state in order to receive an abortion...EVEN in the case of rape, health risks to carry to term, etc. And this is all WITHOUT the consent of the woman!! Against her will!!

Lots going on in the woman's health debate, which is new and from many angles. Even if your wife is not child bearing age she may still want to start wondering what other rights, like voting, she may be required to defend in the future because it's getting really murky and weird out there....

easydoesit: on a side note, signing that Virginia law has probably ended McDonnell's hopes of being considered for Vice-President...He did ask his fellow extremist Republicans not to send him anymore of these bills, but they wouldn't hear of it. He backed off the vaginal probe bill when he actually bothered to figure out what got shoved up where and why there were thousands of women outside the statehouse calling for his head...(that part is now optional...) What he signed is a mandatory external ultrasound...the one that is useless in the vast majority of abortions...It still will likely keep him from national office for the forseeable future.

Let's see american. You have to have some sort of ultrasound in order to get an abortion, birth control under attack ( you do realize that woman use it for more than just BC right???), Some OLD MOLDY MALES deciding how and when you can decide your OWN reproductive rights!! GET IT??!!! WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE BULLCRAP!!! Has your wife EVER had a trans vaginal ultra sound?? I have and it was NOT fun and it was to judge the size and severity of my fibroid tumors. Guess what .... birth control pills ( in low doses) actually help to deal with this problem. As far as this is concerned, it's the thought that the insurance company is going to have to cover them that is burning the OMM's butts. Sorry but I pay for my damn insurance and yes they should cover them!!

@Easy

Incredibly, invasive ultrasound by virginal probe is now the law in that state in order to receive an abortion...

Oh my God, who would ever want a woman to have second thoughts prior to having an abortion?

So there's no health risks associated with abortion and it's not an "intrusive" procedure?

Women are about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion, according to a US study published Monday.

According to the study, published in the February issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology , the risk of death associated with a full-term pregnancy and delivery is 8.8 deaths per 100,000, while the risk of death linked to legal abortion is 0.6 deaths per 100,000 women,HealthDay reported .

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/health/120124/abortion-clinics-pregnancy-risks-giving-birth-health-news-baby

Less health risks with abortion than pregnancy.

@Sean

By that token, the next time you need a colonoscopy,

On what are you basing I'm over 40?

@MoCowgirl

That study used data from the Guttmacher Institute. Why would an organization tied to Planned Parenting say anything negative about Abortion? $$$

Another study showed:

In the fall, a meta-analysis was published in the prestigious British Journal of Psychiatry. The report was the most extensive of its kind to date — the author looked at 22 published studies and data from more than 870,000 women. The results showed that women who have an abortion are at an 81 percent increased risk for mental health problems, including anxiety disorders, depression, drug abuse and suicidal behaviors. The study revealed the shocking statistic that close to 10 percent of all mental health problems in women can be directly attributed to abortion.

Every action has risks. Including abortions.

Physical complications include cervical lacerations and injury, uterine perforations, bleeding, hemorrhage, serious infection, pain, and incomplete abortion. Risks of complications increase with gestational age and are dependent upon the abortion procedure.

Long-term physical consequences of abortion include future preterm birth and placenta previa (improper implantation of the placenta) in future pregnancies. Premature delivery is associated with higher rates of cerebral palsy, as well as respiratory, brain, and bowel abnormalities. Pregnancies complicated by placenta previa result in high rates of preterm birth, low birth weight, and perinatal death.

Punctuation is your friend.

Icon love!

Doem I think I am in love. Well said. So there still are some intelligent male forms out there. Hey how about all that are sick and tired of MSN's "older and newer" arrows, putting a protest at the end of every post to get them to understand how annoying they are?

@Doem.....I've often wondered about those bathtubs and waterfalls too...actually, the Freudian implications are quite disturbing.

Thank you for your point of view....'all night pecker pills' is a description that fits perfectly.

LOL, Randy! Thanks for putting the issue into a, and I do mean a nutshell...

DT, I have no, zero, zip, nada problems with womens birth control. My point was side effects and ones that Pharma and your Doctor won't tell you with some meds. Been there.

I can't tell you how many times my M.D. bragged of his Caribbean vacation and a bought and paid for junket. The pharma rep's waiting to hawk their goods was sometimes the same number of patients waiting.

I left this clown 2 years ago.

The birth control pill is used to treat: PCOS - PMDD - Menorrhagia Dysmenorrhea - Endometriosis and Adenomyosis - These are real and very painful medical conditions! These conditions can and do prevent women from going to work/school when not treated.

It is also used to treat other conditions.

Hormones do some pretty wicked things!!!

I (sorry men) was having my period for 3 out of 4 weeks ON the pill - my doctor sent me to an endocrinologist who ran a few tests and then told me that "It was all in my head," when I said what do you mean, he said my "mental state" was making my body have a period for 3 out of 4 weeks. I also have migraine & tension headaches - I was on the same medicines (taken only when needed) for 8 years, then I moved to another state, someone recommended a doctor, I showed him my usual meds (one was invented in WWII) - he said, "oh, I don't like those medications, I think you need to be on Topamax (this was 2002 - the Topamax craze days). I said, I don't have siezures, why would I take this, he said "If you do not take this (the Topamax), I will not give you your other medicines.... 3 days on "his" drug, I lost all feeling in both my arms, of course I quit it right away and asked for my regular medicines back - he said he would not be my doctor anymore, if I didn't do (take) what he prescribed..... switched doctors and had the SAME problem... God Forbid if you have luck with a drug that has expired all patents!

You sir, owe me one keyboard without beer spit all over it.

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

Thats what I like. Humor and points on a message board. If we could only get everyone in politics to do the same. Oh @!$%#! I just saw a pig fly passed my window.

Man, that's the funniest stuff I've read on a message board in a long time. LMAO !

I say.....FIRE Rush Limbaugh, and hire Chris - he makes way more sense!

Thank you for the laughs!!

howard, do your research before you start typing - you've been watching fox news haven't you?

how exactly Howard is it "free" birth control??? And who exactly is paying for that viagra let alone the appointment. Seems you want the taxpayer to give you that little blue pill for free. Let's take the viagra out of insurance plans too. If women are not worthy of reproductive healthcare neither are men.

No birth control.... no viagra. (etc)

Howard: Think. Insurance covers viagra. Insurance covers birth control. Which is "free"? Anyone who works pays for that insurance. Maybe women are tired of paying for your "free" viagra??

Howard, you like so many others, completely missed the point of this bill. It is imposing exactly the same restrictions that lawmakers are trying to impose on women seeking abortions. It is trying to illustrate the hoops women are needlessly being forced to jump through in a way that men can understand. The point is not to restrict access to Viagra, but to get men to back off from trying to control women's bodies.

The wording of this bill matches bills used to restrict abortions. It is not so much a needed bill as a giant middle finger to men creating anti-abortion laws.

Howard, I don't think you understand. This one just went right by you.

Free birth control? You brainless @$$, we pay for our health care insurance, just as your parents pay for yours. We deserve to have our medications covered.

Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200, because you haven't a clue what this issue is about. Rush lied about Ms Fluke's speech. Go read the transcript or watch the tape and educate yourself if you don't wish to remain uninformed forever.

Of course, if that's what you're used to and what you prefer, no one feels compassion for that these days. It's a choice now.

Mic: Even in Cleveland, you can find someone to explain "irony" to you??

"Define irony. Irony is a bunch of idiots dancing around in a plane to a song made famous by a band that died n a plane crash!"

It is not so much vindictive as trying to illustrate a point. Obviously the bill is a horrible idea, but it serves the purpose of pointing out how ridiculous the bills it is modeled after are.

And the Republican Politicians were being productive Mic? What about jobs and the economy? Yet Republicans choose to argue abortion. No, you are wrong. If Republicans are going to waste time on social issues it's only fair the same tactic be used against those doing it. Put them on the spot for being hypocrites.

No, lefty, you are wrong. This bill punishes men that had nothing to do with passing or supporting the fetal heartbeat law. I disagree with that law, but to punish the innocent? She has no integrity.

Sorry Zach, but she has plenty of integrity. All she did was MODEL this bill after the one that was passed. So what you are saying is she and other women should just STFU and take it like a woman?

I'm sorry that you can't seem to see the lengths that woman have been pushed to, and you don't seem to mind all of the innocent women that are harmed by that Heartbeat bill. So when you can really learn what empathy is then come back and talk to women. Until then YOU STFU!!

If a woman really wants control over her own body then just insist that your sex partner uses a 50 cent rubber before he penetrates your body then you will not have to kill a baby because of your own stupidity..

The voters in Ohio should take note of State Rep. Turners wasting 3 weeks drafting this piece of crap and make sure she is not re elected..

Here we go: kill the messenger.

Demonstalker, condoms don't treat PCOS, you frakking !d!iot. Deliberate misunderstanding of a point makes you look very stupid.

I have PCOS. IT NEARLY KILLED ME. I LOST BOTH MY OVARIES. I CAN NEVER HAVE ANOTHER CHILD. THOSE EXPENSIVE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS ARE MEANT TO CONTROL THE DISEASE.

Were you born stupid or did you go to school for it?

I have never seen such a number of people who refused to understand the point of a speech.

Idiocy and blindness. If I had been on that birth control medicine I wouldn't have developed a giant ovarian cyst and OVARIAN CANCER. I'm still waiting for it to kill me.

America has become stupid in the 21st Century. Who can believe this?