Awesome first post. No point posting any more.

Ditto.

true, every stop posting. we are officially done here

Those PETA extremists can be such a bunch of wieners.

I nominate threevok for Pulitzer Prize in Vine Posting for 2012. Shut this vine down, it's finished.

Honestly, there is not much difference between a lot of sausages and hot dogs. They are both processed with hot dogs being just a little more. Good thing I don't like either.

First its Red Meat, then its Soda Pop, then its H2O (Yes thats right... WATER!!! A Daily Mail article said Science considers Water bad wow) now its Hot Dogs. How much of this are we going to take before we tell Scientist to lay off the Fear? How much of this Fear are we going to take?

And thats my Opinion.

So, do you get cancer in the butt from eating them? or from...

did you know that breathing air, causes lung cancer; we must pass a law outlawing breathing of air.

//thread is done

How about carrots? Cucumbers?

This group should be sued for false advertising. Not only do they not have any studies to back up their claim that hot dogs cause colon cancer, the name of the organization in completely misleading as related to it's true purpose. This is nothing but another bunch of animal rights extremists in a PETA spin-off who want everyone to stop eating meat. The true reason for their ads has nothing to do with any concern about people's health, it is their animal rights agenda that is driving their ads. They need to come clean about who they really are. They are misleading the public by masquerading as an organization concerned about people's health which they hope gives them more credibility, when they are really an animal rights group which most people write off as fanatics to be ignored.

Winner winner, chili dog dinner.

Congratulations, you've won MSN and the entire Internet.

JS - just curious, do you know all that to be true about this group - as in FACT - or are you just repeating what you read in this article, and calling it FACT?

did you even bother to google "processed meats cause colon cancer" to see if FACTS exist?

I did, and the science seems to find the link credible...even if you dont.

Dude, you can still eat hot dogs...just if you end up with colon polyps, dont be shocked. just say "those hot dogs were all worth it!"

Thank you, JS in SD... well said. The AR's are out to take away any and all our rights whether it's what we choose to eat or the animals we own. PeTA, PCRM and the HSUS (humane society of US) are all the same.... make vegans of everyone.

WARNING Hotdogs can wreck your rectum!

Bill - I'm going to print out your post and stick it on my fridge. I'm pretty sure that I'll have little to no desire to eat anything whatsoever after reading that ingredient list from time to time. I'll have dropped all the weight I need to, by the time bikini season rolls around!

I am originally from Chicago and I was thinking the same thing as the first post! I have been eating hot dogs for 53+ years. Must be those North Side Dogs! Oh Ya! The War is on! Go SOX!

Magnum Serpentine-

It isn't the scientists who are laying on the fear.

It is the media who exaggerate and misconstrue the scientists' findings.

I read a similar article a while back. It turns out if you keep it moving you will be okay.

Not all hot dogs are red meat. There's chicken weiners and turkey weiners. We have the right to choose. In fact we choose to elect them every couple of years.

I am not a vegetarian I do not want to be a vegetarian and if they try to force me I will shove their vegetables where the sun don't shine.

If you think Bill's ingredient list is correct, I have a bridge to sell you.

Now I'm not saying they're healthy, but come on.

Go ahead. Eat a strictly vegetarian diet. When you die an early death because you are missing essential nutrients come back and tell me about how hot dogs can kill you.

JS in SD, the PCRM has nothing to do with PETA. In this case they have correctly pointed out that eating processed meats are a big-time risk for colo-rectal cancer, and, there are numerous studies that have confirmed this link. The colon and rectum doesn't like fatty, salty, nitrate laden foods - when it gets too much of this for too long it results in cancer.

Care to cite Jack? Or are you just here to run your mouth?

JS in SD, the PCRM has nothing to do with PETA.

Regardless they will be the butt of a few jokes.

When will you people learn? ANY HUMAN PROCESSED FOOD IS DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR HEALTH. The more you eat of it the faster you will die, guaranteed. If you carefully( in moderation) eat properly grown, cleaned, and cooked meats that have lived in "natural" environments your life span will be longer. The problem today is ALL of our store bought foods are contaminated and engineered to have a shelf life 300% longer than naturally produced goods. The "agricultural industrial complex" is after one thing, make more of something to sell it in as many places as possible. The QUALITY OR THE SAFETY of these commodities are of no concern because no one is charged with or has the authority to shut down corporations that do not sell safe commodities. Eat enough "hot dogs" and your butt "will" fall off!

Must've been about a year since I last had a hot dog, but now I got the munchies for one :D

Jack... the problem with your post is you are claiming something that is incredibly easy to disprove. I'm 39 years old, 6', 170 lbs, I do 88 pushups and day, run 4 miles a day, and do 40 pullups a day, and my doctor says I'm doing fine. And I've been vegan since 1993. I'm not saying that is the only way to be healthy, I'm not saying it's unhealthy to eat a hot dog every once and a while, I'm just saying your claim is easy to disprove because I and others like me exist.

Special nod to rrobeson. Nicely played.

A quick search for the PCRM reveals it to be a group claiming to be largely physician in its membership, but is apparently less than 5% physicians. They have an agenda to promote vegan diets at any cost. While not related to PETA, they have a similar agenda. The Harvard study cited in this article is only an observational study, so no controls are used to absolutely prove that meat has a negative effect on health, as would be used in a randomized, controlled research study. More and more evidence exists to show that diabetes and overweight are related more to carbohydrate consumption. I'm going to keep eating hot dogs in moderation, and contrary to PCRM, I will continue to limit my carbohydrate intake.

another nut group. what a bunch of weiners. i bet if you investigate their fridges it will be a case of do as i say not as i do.

Someone, quick.....

Send this article to Mr. Obama and the UK PM who are eating HOT DOGS at that thar basketball game.

Wait a minute....send it to Mrs. Obama also. (LOL)

Were they talking about hot dogs or wienie's? I would not put either up my butt.

Sorry I could not help it!

smt, while I agree there are vegans who do live to be elderly you aren't an example yet. Thirty-nine is not an old age, nor does your doctor's judgement of your health matter. My husband's doctor said he was in great health then he dropped dead of an aortic aneurism at 37. When you are eighty-nine, come back as an example.

I don't know any true vegans that live to be in their late 80's, I do know some that regulate their meat intake to less than 3 oz three times a week that have lived into their 90's, I think it takes a well balanced diet, just not eating meat wont help you, you still have to watch the carbohydrates and other dietary foods to be successful. the end result is still the same! sorry. I also know people that didn't care and lived a long life. I don't know what to tell you.go with your feelings.

I remember seeing a Dating Game clip where they asked this guys wife what he liked on his wiener. Her answer...Ben Gay. I'm not kidding. You don't forget something like that.

Anyone who actually believes that billboard, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona. It has a beautiful view of the Baltic Sea...

It just comes down to Quality of life vs quantity. Do I eat a few foods that are healthy but I don't like, for my entire life and be miserable. Or do I eat the foods I do like, enjoy life, but understand that it should be, "Everything in Moderation."

Either way, enjoy life it to the fullest, eat the foods I enjoy maybe even, eat a hot dog now and then Or just eat a bunch of pine cones and uncooked vegetables. It's your life. Have fun with the Bran.

Not that I'm a health food freak, but there are a lot of foods that are good for you besides raw vegetables and bran. Many healthy foods taste delicious. I would agree though, that an occasional hot dog probably won't hurt you.

Is there any food...any diet...that is truly healthy for everyone?

I have no intention of living forever, which is handy because the odds are overwhelmingly against it regardless how careful I am.

So I think I'll just try to eat...and drink...and live...with a little common sense.

And a lot of fun.

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Quote:

"Living to be 100 years of age is easy. All you have to do is give up all the things that make you want to live to be 100 years of age".

And never did they say that they wont cause cancer. It is not the red meat, it is the chemicals that are added.

You mean 'chicken products' isn't specific enough for you?

I remember an old advert for Dow on the TV. "Better living through chemistry." They decided not to go with the full statement. "Better living through chemistry...though shorter and more excruciatingly painful at the end." lol

Just two words folks, SOYLENT GREEN.

So what's wrong with "chemicals"? Everything on the face of the earth, to include the human body, and all of the green stuff that the food police try to force us to eat, is composed of chemicals.

Sure is, spider.

But to most people "chemicals" is a scary word, and the media likes to scare people.

I agree with informing people that hotdogs are unhealthy, but think that the ad in question is in poor taste.

Boom
You mean 'chicken products' isn't specific enough for you?

It is definitely a lot more specific than the packaging on one of the first MREs they issued. The foil pouch said "ham or turkey loaf."

Skookum,

Pretty ignorant response to to a perfectly accurate statement. A good dose of magnesium hydroxide might do you some good.

I'll second that. And there are reasonable substitutes. When my family occasionally eats hot dogs, it's uncured turkey dogs on 100% whole wheat buns. Once you get used to healthier choices, you start to prefer them.

I must admit though, a big fat bratwurst on a bun with a half a jar of mustard once in a Blue Moon IS pretty good. Like the County Fair hawker use to say.......A loaf of bread, a pound of meat and all the mustard you can eat, one thin dime. Yes, it WAS a long time ago.

I just had a hot dog the other day for the first time in months and thought it was delicious...additionally, it is interesting their campaign isn't trying to force the hotdog industry to divulge their ingredients (the ones in question are nitrites and nitrates, btw) or focusing on providing irrefutable evidence that they are in fact "causing" cancer (I put that in quotes because everything about modernized society today predisposes us to a cornucopia of neoplasias; not just hotdogs).

@HN--that is a nice alternative for those who can afford the expensive alternatives (the why take a chance approach is pretty intelligent in my opinion, even if there isn't evidence a food is harmful), but to many Americans, it isn't feasible. That is, it isn't feasible with today's spending on food. It isn't that simple to tell someone who is on a limited income that they have to start spending 1/3 of their income rather than less than 1/4 for their family's dietary needs. Although this is obviously the trend that is developing, and your solution seems like it works well for you, there are many social dynamics that play into these ads as well.

In the end, however, I believe that the PCRM is only minimally concerned about reducing colorectal cancer incidence and is instead more focused on supporting an activist agenda to end animal agriculture in America.

It's a disclaimer by PCRM people, the group been prescribing frozen hot dog and use as insertion medicine to cool inflammed hemorhoid.

Saw a bumper sticker once that read...Eat right, Exerside regularly and Die anyway.

You won't think that when you get older and who says you have to eat "rabbit food". There are plenty of lean meats that are fine..it's processed meats that are an issue.

I'm older and I eat more meat now. I'm diabetic.

Look out man, you're going to get butt cancer!

I don't think it's THAT type of bar Crying shame. :-P

Yep, I'm gonna take your opinion over a 28 year study involving 122,000 medical people. Katgurl's response makes more sense, though you're correct with your last sentence. lol

This study proves what happened to my Great Grampa, he ate hot dogs and anything he wanted all his life and he only lived to be 93.

I use to help my Grandpappy make sausage when I was a kid. He used fresh lean ground beef & pork and some spices. They were the best I've ever had.

My brother in law gets a pig every year, Boondoglez, and that means homemade sausages, black pudding, and bacon. All fresh and lean and perfect. Can't be beat, can it?

The only crock here is your lack of knowledge. It's been known for a long time now that processed meats can cause cancer and heart disease. Why don't you try actually looking up the research instead of spouting off in a emotional juvenile way?

So Minnie, you're an Oncologist? Doubtful

"...Why don't you try actually looking up the research..."

There is research to support anything that one wishes to support. Most are just part of the "publish or perish" mindset of academics, and peer review is mostly mutual back-slapping.

Several years ago I saw a "study" about gas chromatography, which was my line of work, in a professional journal. In the next issue there was a retraction of the study after a reader pointed out that the wrong formula was used to determine column volume. The writer responded that although the figures were incorrect, the principle of his "study" was sound. Hogwash!

I have to agree with spike, there are results of at least one study published every day on this web site. You'll find one study claiming one thing and another study claiming the opposite. Over time the results of one study are refuted by another. Most of these studies are of a very limited nature as far as numbers are concerned and most data is derived from questioners answered by the participants. Cause and effect is nearly impossible to determine because there are so many other factors that may be involved. For example, it's possible that those genetically susceptible to colon cancer are also biologically predisposed to enjoy the taste of hot dogs. Was there some other food also enjoyed by hot dog eaters that may have been the cause of the cancer. There are many examples of long standing medical recommendations based on studies that have been reversed by subsequent studies. The best advice is to not read any of these studies because they are meaningless and your not going to change your life style because of them.

Did ya hear about the butcher who backed into his meat grinder? He got a little behind in his work. Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!

Still do. Collasamo's makes local here in Utah, and still follows the Old World traditions in sausage making. It's a stick of heaven on a bun.

Neighborhood butchers (since before even you were born) used "preservatives." Salt, nitrites, nitrates, etc. all fall under that category and are key for the production of many deli style meats, including hams. These types of preservatives can be used when hand preparing these items, so this isn't a big-industry vs. mom-and-pop issue. Whether others decide is these are "safe" or not shouldn't be based on where they purchased the meat--it should be on the chemicals used and the science that backs up arguments on either side.

@A Veteran--I'm going to reuse that one--made me laugh a little too hard

the casing for the last decade has been made of plastic. so it probly is not the meats but the plastic that is the problem if you peel a sasage you will see the plastic skin on it same with a hot dog

You just pointed out the number one HUGE problem with this type of study. Confounders are nearly impossible to eliminate, and so we may never know exactly which habits predispose to cancer and to what degree.

Luckyme,

I have to single out something you said "I am betting that this is based on the assumption that a person's only bad habit is processed meats or red meat. Meaning no drinking, no smoking, goes to bed and gets 8 hours of sleep a night, lives in a rural area with less smog and pollution, well anyways, I think you all get my point, don't you??There is no way that this can be statistically correct, in any way. You can't eliminate all the factors that would also affect a person."

I haven't read the Harvard paper that followed~120,000 men and women, but I can assure you that large population studies absolutely can control for and (eliminate) other factors that contribute to risk. For this reason, it is entirely possible that this study's finding are statistically correct....This is how we get independent risk factors like Lp(a), metabolic syndrome, increased Remnant lipoproteins, diabetes, etc in Lipidology...Outside of other factors (while controlling for the influence of these other factors) we still find that (red meat, diabetes, etc) is an independent predictor....

Two things. First, the study they mentioned is an observational study and not a proper scientific trial. As a result they're not considering other factors.

Having said that, there are numerous other studies done over the years that show an absolute correlation between processed meats and heart disease and cancer.

The article is talking about two different things. One is the Harvard study which was in the news yesterday (of which I just mentioned) and is referenced in the article and the other is about a physicians group warning of processed meats. MSNBC linked them together in the same article

The grant for this study was probably funded by the vegetable farmers co-op. I'm sure there will be another funded by the Beef Cattle Association saying just the opposite. Take a look in the jungle folks, who is healthier the Lions and Tigers and Cheetas or the Antelope and Wildebeasts?

I think you mean Tim Meadows from SNL, playing the character, Leon Phelps "The Ladies Man".

I have heard Initially the pink slime was rejected by the FDA but then that rejection was overturned by someone higher up in the organization. I seriously doubt it was a liberal that approved it but rather some greedy a-hole that doesn't give a sh!t about the people they are supposed to be protecting. That isn't a partisan problem it a people problem.

It's not a gross exaggeration when you understand that there's a strong correlation between eating processed meats and heart disease and cancer, especially colorectal cancer. They designed the ad to be funny so that it would have more impact and would be remembered.

Adam, that "early death" bit is a scare tactic that the Health Police like to use.

You think that because you have zero scientific knowledge.

@celticsun
And you responded the way you did because you THINK you have vast quantities of scientific knowledge. For all of your pseudointellectualism, you're completely disregarded the one GLARING flaw in your own argument: correlation does not equal causation. Ex: I have never seen a puma out in the wild in my entire life, ergo, I am obviously a form of puma repellent.

The fact that a study (really more of a survey) came out of Harvard doesn't make it any more legit. It was an observational study, nothing more. For all we know, the people die early because people who are genetically more apt to get cancer also happen to be genetically predisposed to liking processed and red meats, and the latter has nothing to do with the former at all.

Nobody said you have to eat just cottage cheese, however, if you don't think there's a link between the consumption of processed meats and heart disease and cancer then you're just kidding yourself.

Of the things you listed, eggs are fine. You can also eat lean meats, chicken (not fried), fish, and all the fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds you want. How much does cutting out bacon, sausages, hot dogs and other processed meats affect the "quality of life"?

I find it funny that they're only targeting hot dogs, when all processed meats are supposedly suspect, according to the study.

The organization in question didn't come up with this information in a vacuum. Look it up yourself. It's been known for years that there is a correlation between the consumption of processed meats with cancer and heart disease.

@Crying,

They only mentioned hot dogs in the big print to make it funny and memorable. The fine print says "processed meats increase colon cancer risks". All the research has shown that.

It depends on the week. Recently our news station stated wine was bad for you. The very next week, the had another story on how wine improves your health. I'm going to go have some bacon tonight.

Whoa there jebjoe, my doc prescribed one glass of red wine a day, to knock down the bad cholesterol, and it also caused me to lose some extra fat as well. You were right about moderation though. That is a key factor.

I think if people visited a slaughter house and saw how beef were processed most of them would quit eating meat. Period.

Most of them would quit "eating" period. Ha!

I think this is true of many foods. I saw how malted milk balls were made and haven't been able to enjoy Whoppers since.

Roger - MAN I Love Malted Milk Balls, do I have reason to quit them? I can't go to a Saturday Matinee without a big box of Whoppers.