He's probably afraid of being renditioned to the Hague to stand trial for his crimes against humanity.

If I had done these disastrous things to the earth and humanity I WOULD BE AFRAID TO GO TO THE BATHROOM TOO. Cheney should realize HE IS RIGHT, someone will get his ass someday!

Kris,

Excellent point. These are crimes against humanity. If a common person was doing this to another human being, it would be called 'attempted murder' (and that person would be in jail" which is not even the proper term. It's murder if you are drowning someone. It's murder because if one has the intent beforehand, and all thoughts matter, then the action done thereafter,
following the thought, IS the act of murder. The government intended to murder detainees, by trying to kill them for information! Think of how the soldiers felt carrying out these duties. I'm sure some are forever changed for the bad.

I wonder how many people actually died or had permanent bodily/brain damage with 'some who have deemed to be torture?' Cheney had intended to go as far as possible with these prisoners without regard as to what the final outcome would be. This is a soulless, immoral, unethical treatment.

Cheney should beware where he thinks he's going to travel. The Hauge should be his final destination, if you think about it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that.

What on earth makes you think that the ress has the facts, or even cares about them? YOu want to find out what really goes on here, read the British papers.

Kris Greg,

The international community knows it was torture! They are not brainwashed people like many Americans. It would be a great day if Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, were tried for the war crimes they committed.

send the assssss there and save us money .. maybe the will treat him like he did us ...... liar wmd ...... liar .... bi c yth

Might be dangerous for the Canadians if he decides to go hunting.

Remember MSN is CORPORATE media which means it is carefully monitored by the corporation (in this case GE) that owns it. Alex Carey the prominent Australian Social Psychologist summed it up nicely with this spot on accurate quote:

"The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy''.

No law is held higher in this country than US law and stated methods of interrogation were deemed legal by US lawyers and thus were used. END OF STORY>

Is this bastard still alive? POS,worthless trash.

lol, Coward Cheney!!! Bold enough to start crap but to scared to face the repurcusions. Best he hide like a coward does.

Ringo, last I checked it wasn't lawyers that decided whether or not it's legal, it's the courts. What the staff attorneys for the Bush administration say has precisely zero to do with the legality of the actions.

A good attorney can always justify what you want to do, the question is whether or not it's actually going to stand up in court. This would never stand up in the ICC, unfortunately, we haven't extradited the lot for a war crimes trial.

Cheney would be wisked away to the Hague for war crimes if he stepped foot outside the U.S.

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When even the Canadians want to kill you, you truly were a evil @ss. Canadians have only assassinated two politicians. One by French Provincial Separatists (1970)and one by Irish Canadian Fenians(1868). Two killed in over one hundred years since the became a independant Confederation.

For a man who wouldn't fight in a war sure sent a lot of folks to their death ... and the reasons and justifications change to fit the times and the gullible ...........

The report says - "He has previously visited dangerous places like Iraq". Well -- IMHPO he pretty much sneaked in and out of Iraq.

The coward has to have full military strength protection before he can walk any streets outside US.

Cheney, part of the FAKE CONSERVATIVES. This clown and his clown followers who want big government should be sent to the Hague. Better, drop them off in Iraq in the middle of the desert, so they can play their little power game themselves, rather than sending soldiers to get killed so they can look pretty.

What you have is a Republican party that still can't recover from the pychotics who pretend to be conservative. There's psychos who pretend to be liberal, but they aren't running the party right now. Until you get rid of the Cheney traitors (yes, because that's what you are when you turn over a US CIA agent because AW THEIR HUSBAND DOESN'T LIE YOU BOO HOO!), take EVERY turn to stuff their fat faces full of a can to SHUT UP!

The guy should be happy he is living free. Personally, I'd force him to go to Canada without any escort at a minimum.

Canada dangerous? Really? Should we send troops?

Look, if I were him, I wouldn't leave the country either. I'm not sure I'd even leave my house!

But then again, I'm not him, I have morals and a heart. The world would be a much better place without that heartless bastard.

p111

Torture generates only lies, not the truth.

"You can't deal with the truth."

Cheney had no compunctions about sending our young men and women to Iraq for no good reason but he's afraid of going to Canada because it might be a security issue for him? Could there be a more disingenuous coward?

Ringo15,

I think having 1 or 2 hand picked lawyers declare that a practice found to be a war crime, a practice the United States has prosecuted others for in the past, does not end any story.

p111,

Can you honestly believe that a training exercise is the same as a person held by foreign forces is the same thing? Even when we do it to our own troops it's part of the military's "anti torture" training. Why would our own military call it that?

This article made me wish I was Canadian. Oh Canada!!

And the Grinch looked north at CanadaWhoVille at the CanadaWhos and their their one-sided mullety whohaircuts and their goo gravy covered french-canadianwho fries...and decided "I ain't goin there. Them CanadaWhos are scary boo!!"

I think that this one man made us the most despised nation in the world. I don't believe that Bush had that level of organized planning capabilities. Rove and Cheney ran foreign policy and forced us into the Iraq War based on lies. While the Muslim world still has distain for us for aiding Israel, our allies feel the need to place distance between us and them. We're broke, yet the US borrows money to run a massive defense. At the end of WWII defense contractors urged the explosion in military spending, and the USSR responded in kind--and China got in the mix. The Cheny's of this world would like to continue the insane ways of staying at war. Mr Santorum and Mr Romney have said that they would increase our world presence and defense spending.

I'm not a moderate--President Obama is a moderate that fights for education funding, ordinary blue collar workers, hell, the guy caved in to the right to save unemployment benefits for those that needed it the most. The GOP has made a habit of referring to the Democratic Party as "the tax and spend party." Meanwhile, they are insistent in finding a road to war with Iran.

My son is a Danish resident and married to a Danish woman. He was wearing an old Reggie Bush Saints jersey when he arrived. In as much as the jersey only said, "Bush" on the back, people in the streets and airport booed him. While it was impolite, it is the sentiment of the world--and Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Rice did this to our image.

They are not brainwashed people like many Americans.

PDug19 - You aren't very current on the views of the American people, are you? Nor do you know how to read these posts. The vast majority of people in this country are opposed to these interrogation techniques. No one is brainwashed except you who are brainwashed into thinking Americans are idiots.

It's sad that people deliberately manufacture lies to bolster their stup!d rhetoric. Cheney is not "afraid" to go to Canada...both he and the company that organized the event think there is a dangerous element in the thugs who "protested" the event last year, resulting in the choking of a member of the event staff by "protestors". The danger is not to Cheney but to those attending the event. Cheney still travels with a secret service escort...his security is not really a problem.

Looks like Mr. "Deficits don't matter" has lost the courage of his convictions. I guess it's time to retire quietly to his gated community, to count his money, and coach his stupid daughter so that she can continue to go on Fox News and lie some more to the American public about what a "patriot" her old man was. Buh-bye.

He'd better be careful as Obama could deem him an enemy combatant terrorist on foreign soil and order him terminated. lol

p111

We water board our own troops to show them what techniques may be used on them. Does that mean we are torturing our own troops?

Water-boarding is the Least of this Man's Crimes.

Are you saying America tortures its own servicemen? Because many of our servicemen are water-boarded as part of their training. That is apparently OK, but not to water-board a terrorist that is withholding information that could save the lives of many?

Cheney is a national hero. Long live Dick Cheney!

Hey P111. you (and anyone without classified clearance) does NOT know how they got the information about where Bin Laden was.

There could be a rich pizza delivery guy in Pakistan that got paid because Bin Laden stiffed him a tip last time Bin ordered a pie.

I am all for breaking a few eggs to make an omelet, what im not sure about is how Cheney got us all to make that omelet so Haliburton could make billions. Why were we in Iraq again......oh thats right nuclear weapons!.......no wait they don't have those.... terrorists!....wait they weren't from Iraq.....Oh because Saddam was such a bad guy. Thats a good reason to spend Trillions.

Hey I heard Iran has nukes.....

That's Just Too Funny !

Alas. Ol Darth Cheney is only now realizing that the force is NOT strong with him anymore. He can no longer go traipsing through Dantouine like the good old days.

The UN Convention Against Torture, Part I Articles I and II:

Part I

Article 1

1. For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.

Article 2

1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

unpopular in Canada

He's not even popular here!

Water boarding and other techniques were used at Gitmo, which is where much of the information obtained to locate Osama Bin Laden came from. Maybe "torture" is a little harsh for these prisoners....if they were American citizens they would be awaiting execution. The forest has once again blocked the view of the trees in Liberalville.

The Bush Cheney Administration was arguably the worst in American history.

After losing the popular vote in the election there was a recount in a state that Bush's brother was governor and he was finally annotated President by members of the Supreme Court who his Daddy appointed.

It was on the Bush Cheney watch that 9/11 took place; it was Bush Cheney who failed to kill or capture Bin Laden: it was Bush Cheney who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war and trillions of dollars spent;

It was Bush Cheney who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq; It was Bush Cheney who failed on the war on terror;

It was Bush Cheney & the GOP who turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars.

And let’s not forget Dick Chaney the Duke of Halliburton who was always hiding in an undisclosed location just like he did during the entire Vietnam War

Cheney was is and always shall be a mouthpiece for the Military Industrial Complex....remember that, and you will understand that anything he says or does is calculated to achieve a furthering of profits for the M.I.C.,

Also remember, it was the voters in the U.S. that elected him to be next in line to the Presidency, be careful what you vote for.

Jalc - Isn't it strange how Bin Laden was killed years after the waterboarding took place. If we got so much information from waterboarding, why didn't Bush get Bin laden? He didn't get him at Tora Bora, because he didn't close the escape routes with American troops. As a Commander in Chief he was a flop. He was a flop at managing the economy. He borrowed every cent to pay for the war in Iraq and the Republicans elected the fool twice. That shows how dumb one must be to vote Republican.

Hey, the DOW is over 13000 under Obama, the highest it has been since 2007. Vote for Obama or Ron Paul.

Kris Craig: You got collapsed before I got here and took the whole forum for #1 with you. In the chance you might come back to check the account, I'd like to invite you to find out what torture really is. If you would just sneak into Afghanistan and let the Taliban grab you, you would wish by the next morning that waterboarding was all the were doing. Or go have a sit down with John McCain, he'll open your eyes wide in a minute.

It has never been proven to the American people that waterboarding brought crucial information to the surface nor that it saved lives. It has been said, but, not proven and for those who say that silly, little people like me aren't on "need to know"....baloney. If Bush/Cheney could have shown proof that it had worked, they would have in a minute. Cheney should really, really take a page from the boss's book and go somewhere out of the way, sit down and be quiet for the rest of his life. If he can't do that, then I wish we could tell the rest of world that he never, ever has our permission to speak for us and that he does not represent us.

All the reasons listed in these comments to attack Cheney are good and reasonable ones. He exemplifies the "might makes right" attitude of many American politicians that have destroyed many other countries and brought us much derision worldwide. Yet, there is one more point that I would add (and I apologize if its been mentioned before). How many Americans do you think would have died over the past 10 years if the US had done absolutely nothing after 9-11? Now, I'm not saying that should have been our response. I'm simply asking how many do you think could have died in any further attacks if all the US had done was "play defense". Now ask how many American soldiers, contractors, journalists, Red Cross personnel, etc died in the Middle East over that same period. Then add to that the number of US soldiers, contractors etc who came back home, only to commit suicide or hurt someone else because they were so traumatized by their experiences abroad. Then, add to that the number of people who were severely wounded abroad and whose lives will never be complete again. Then consider the many uncountable ways that our country have and will suffer due to our wars abroad: financial ruin, marriages destroyed, other relationships destroyed, our international reputation destroyed, the erosion of civil rights, an increase in the partisanship of our politics etc etc etc, all of which have a domino effect into other domestic problems.

I believe Cheney and Bush are war criminals for their actions against non-US citizens; however, even the most blind American exceptionalist, the most blind American patriot, the most blind hard core militarist, who does not care at all about anyone except American citizens, must, if they are capable of adding up the numbers to which I have alluded, acknowledge that Bush and Cheney's reaction to (or use of, as far as I am concerned) 9-11 was probably the very worst possible reaction in regard to our country's interests. They could have reacted in hundreds of different ways, and they picked the absolutely 100% worst. Historians will, in the future, acknowledge as much.

Hey Ringo15 The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land and the 8th amendment expressly FORBIDS cruel and unsual punishment. If you think that lawyers make the law in this country, you need to go to Wikipedia and type in US Constitution. READ THE 8TH AMENDMENT, also click on the link cruel and unusual punishment and that will give you the exact defination of cruel and unusual. Waterboarding is TORTURE!! And if you don't think it is, then you have it done to you and then come back to this site and say it isn't torture.

Hello folks, Dick can run be he can't hide. The truth is finally coming out and many people are going to be surprised at the revelations that will even be reported by the mains stream presstitutes.

Cheney can't go to Indonesia because he's been convicted of war crimes there. It will all catch up to him and his club of thugs!

Canada declares torture legal

On Wednesday, the BBC reported that Canada had ordered its intelligence agency to use information that may have been extracted through torture if public safety is at risk.

According to the report, the directive was issued in 2010.

Previously, a 2009 order issued by the Conservative government, had instructed the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) that it must not knowingly rely on information derived from torture.

But the 2010 directive by the public safety ministry adds that it may not be possible to determine how a foreign agency obtained information and in “exceptional circumstances” it may represent “an unacceptable risk to public safety” to ignore it.

In fact, little is new in the report. It has been an open secret for years that the detainees kept in NATO and U.S. facilities like the notorious Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons without any formal charges were subjected to torture. Every such report tended to raise an outcry among human rights activists, but little has changed since then. Oh, no, the U.S. administration HAS changed, but not its practices.

What is new in the report from Canada is the fact that the practices adopted by the U.S. (to which the world has grown accustomed) are used by countries having a much more liberal and milder image that their “elder brothers”. Therefore, in Canada, the report has caused a row.

Members of the Government, like Public Safety Minister Vic Toews tried to play down the graveness of the report and justify the use of torture by saying “can one safely ignore it (the information obtained by torture – B.V.) if Canadian lives and property are at stake?”

But the opposition called the use of torture “repugnant”. An MP for the opposition New Democratic Party, Jack Harris, said the policy would only encourage countries that used torture.

The Toronto Star, citing legal experts, pointed out that the directive issued by the Conservative government condones torture and is breaking federal law and Canada’s international commitment.

“We’re signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture and there is an absolute prohibition against torture, period,” Stuart Hendin, an expert in the law of armed conflict and human right laws from the University of Ottawa said.

The report also became a powerful tool for the West’s bitterest opponent, Iran, to fire back. The English-language Iranian channel Press TV stated that “the use of torture to obtain information is not just a Canadian or US policy alone. It is an imperial policy designed to terrorize people and it reflects the criminal nature of the duo’s (the U.S. and Canada’s) imperial controllers.”

Indeed, so much has been said about the notorious “double standards” that sometimes it seems useless to appeal to the notion. But what else can be done, if every now and then the West demonstrates its angry readiness to attack anyone whose only fault is that he is weaker, under the pretext of “human rights violations” and “massive tortures against their own people”, but at the same time publicly acknowledges that it is in no way different from those it attacks?

Actually, with the U.S. this is a commonplace practice. Its bombing of civilians in sovereign countries (not necessarily the ones it is at war with, like Afghanistan or, lately, Iraq), its use of torture and years-long imprisonment without trial change little in Uncle Sam’s overall picture.

But Canada – the country claiming to be a sample of Europe in the Western hemisphere? Indeed, one can only wonder how far the U.S.’ younger brothers might go in order to copy their elders one.

It’s very much doubtful that legalization of torture by the Canadian government is worth the tarnished image – not only of the government, but of the whole country.

Cheney isn't afraid of the "thugs" in Canada; he's afraid of being arrested and tried for war crimes. And if I'd known that all it took to keep him out of my country was a little disruption at his paid events, I'd have gladly been a disruptor. I, for one, will be relieved when Cheney departs this mortal coil, skipping hand in hand with Saddam Hussein down that short hallway to hell.

No matter how liberal MSNBC gets, it will never be liberal enough for some people.

Imnotlost....you may not be lost but you certainly are confused, why would you ask Crash McCain about torture?????????he was treated with kid gloves by the NVA because he was the son of an admiral and an excellent propaganda tool. He aided and abetted the enemy by making propaganda statements which he claimed after the war were made under the duress of torture. The Vietnamese have provided records showing that McCain's injuries were suffered in the crash of his plane (mind you it was the 5th plane he had crashed and there was no evidence that the plane was shot down) and that they provided him with the best medical attention available. Crash McCain is a liar and a coward don't bother asking him about torture he wouldn't have a clue.

I suspect that the general living conditions in Afghanistan would be close to torture for most of us softies living in Western society so being captured by the Taliban, even if they treated you well by their standards, would be tantamount to torture for most of us.....however I doubt that you are actually an authority on the torture methods of the Arab World and you are basing your opinion on some sensationalist reporting on Faux News, unless you have actually been captured by the Taliban????????

Oh, okay so he was treated like a king. Got it.

Two arms broken, a broken leg, having been bayonetted, having lost fifty pounds, and been placed in solitary confinement at the Hanoi Hilton for TWO YEARS (not a hotel, a prison camp. Google it- don't be fooled by the name "Hilton".) He wasn't expected to last a week. He was 31 when he was imprisoned, and his signature white hair hasn't turned white due to old age- his hair turned white during his imprisonment.

If you don't want to google anything related to a GOP senator simply because he's a GOP senator and you don't like the GOP because they're the GOP and you don't like them, feel free to go to the local blockbuster and rent the movie "Hanoi Hilton"-it's not based on Mccains account, but on others who were incarcerated there.

Further, he didn't "aid the enemy" as you claim- he refused a repatriation offer, in effect turning it down- he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such a demand was in accordance with military regs at the time. To set the record straight, The NVA wanted to return him as a tool of propaganda to show they were "merciful". Again, Mccain refused to help the NVA in any way. He was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton for five and a half years.

Get it right.

@Jalenorigby - are you on drugs? Waterboarding was done on Gitmo detainees and that's where we got info on where bin Laden was? Most of the people at Gitmo had been there so long, they had no clue whether bin Laden was even alive anymore, let alone where the hell he was. And that's if they ever knew in the first place - of the nearly 800 we rounded up and stuck in Gitmo, 600 have been let go, most of them without ever being charged because they didn't know squat. Even Rumsfield said we had to stop rounding up "low level combatants" and dumping them at Gitmo. And you think that's how we knew where bin Laden was? What are you smoking and where can I get some, because it's gotta be really good stuff.

@imnotlost - yes, waterboarding is torture. John McCain and the NVA is ancient history and it's irrelevant whether or not he was tortured (and jury is out on whether he was). It also doesn't matter whether or not the Taliban has even worse torture practices. We're not the Taliban and last I checked, we're think they're the bad guys. But waterboarding is okay because at least we're not stooping to their level? That doesn't wash.

Cheney is a thug and a bully and like many of them, is also a coward. It's got to be the height of irony that he's not going to Canada because of other "thugs." I would have thought he'd feel right at home.

He is a war criminal plain & simple and I wouldn't want a war criminal coming to my country either!!! This thing (I refuse to refer to him as a man) along with Rove, Rumsfeld and the rest of the military contractors who fast tracked us into a war that was nothing more than a guaranteed income worth trillions for them for the next decade will have to answer some day, maybe not on this earth, but they will answer!!!

Bush was just the face that went with it, sorta like the kid who everyone got to try a stunt that no one else would try because it was insane to attempt it because it would almost certainly result in loads of serious pain or something for everyone to laugh about for the next 30 years, Bush is that kid for Cheney & Rove!!!

Jeffery - Stop channeling the GOP line and dig a bit deeper in to your "war hero" and you will find that what you have regurgitated is unsubstantiated BS .... there is not 1 witness who has ever come forward to substantiate on bit of that story but there are several who have come forward with bits that contradict it. They didn't have solitary confinement at the Hanoi Hilton ..... maybe he was in solitary but it wasn't at that hotel. Don't rely on Wikipidia for your information you are bound to come up looking silly.

Lizzie you are correct McCain does not matter but the attitude that he presents does matter and that is the problem people like this get in to positions of power and what they say has an effect on people like Jeffery and "Iamconfused". Cheney is a mouth piece for the Military Industrial Complex (as is McCain) and he is not wanted in Canada....and I doubt he would be welcome in Australia either.

Harrimph...Too dangerous indeed. they have a pre 9/11 mentality in Canada. Im not leaving my bunker just to go to visit a country where some of the people actually speak French!. What they should do is purchase this great new product I've invented -... harrumph... it's a little thing called BUNKER Guard! What it is - in a NUT shell is a bunker which fits over your existing bunker. FOr soewhere sround 8990 trillion dollars Canada would be able to buy one that would fit over the entire Englsih speaking part of the country. SO, instead of going there myself I'm going to send Liz up with a proposal. LIZ! LIZ I need you to go to Canada and sell Bunker Guard to the Canadian government. DOn't worry you don't have to go to Quebec. They have a pre 9/11 mentality. I'm oging to wait here for the phone that will ineveitably come from the Republican Party when they realize that Mitt ROMney is not COnservative enough. Yes; it's just a matter of tme before I'm, calling the shots again. LIZ LIZ. THE FLYING mONKEYS are atttacking. Get the shothum!!!!

p111 said "By the way, that method got us the intel needed to track down Bin Laden so your messiah could take credit for what Seals did."

That's another lie by the right wing and has been refuted. The detainees at Gitmo did not have any idea where Osama bin Laden was hiding since only his closest assistance knew his whereabouts. In fact it has been proven that the information that was received from those tortured was very unreliable and mostly false.

LMAO ... Sure Darth is worried but not for the lame reasons he's stated - the cowardly Five-Deferment Cheney might just find out that Alberto, Yoo & Co. were wrong ... torture really IS illegal ... INCLUDING waterboarding ....

ProgressiveforAmerica- Love that quote I'm strealing it! Thank you

Dick Cheney and George Bush, Jr. got 4000+ of our service men and women killed. Based on lies...Bottom line.

Kris Craig "MSNBC, stop referring to it as, "what some have deemed to be torture"!"

Since the Obama Administration also uses 'sleep deprivation' techniques, do you also support arresting Obama for 'torture', or is are you only interested in 'selective prosecution' of those with an (R) after their names?

Personally, I'm ok with some terrorist with critical information being 'inconvenienced' than have thousands of innocent civilians with a (DOA) after their names because a few people think it's wrong to waterboard or deprive a terrorist of some sleep in their 'perfect world' scenario. I'm a little more bothered with seeing these terrorists saw an innocent victim's head off with a rusty knife with no comment from the same people who whine about 'sleep deprivation'.

Roy Roy Roy... Geez here we go again with the misinformation wagon, you should try to sell some burritos with that BS your peddling. Obama actually reversed the torture laws but I know that's not what Bill O'really says so you ain't buyin it right. I'll take a green chili one dude and don't get any BS on it please. The picture on this thread disgusts me. It is eerily reminiscent of what OJ would look like standing with a smirk on his face overlooking Nicole's grave. This guy is like Charlie Manson on steroids. By all means stand behind him and then go chastise Blancovich on the other threads. When you finish up go look in the mirror at the hypocrite.

I think he would do well in Somalia. For a little while.

We don't want him!!LOL

The Canadians are our good neighbors and really nice people. They do not under any circumstances deserve Cheney for even a visit; never mind as an illegal immigrant

He's not going anywhere but straight to Hell. Have a nice day Dick.

Having lived in Vancouver for several years, suffice it to say Canada doesn't want anyone from W's regime there. You can only insult the Canadians so many times before they write you off.

It's important for those in the Bush regime to know that it's not just how Republicans will remember what they did, but others will also remember them. In the case of foreign countries, they will remember Bush and Cheney as babling idiots that they were. What a legacy to leave behind. What a disgrace.

we do not want him.

I'll pay his fare if he goes there and stays

"Before the Vancouver event, the group Human Rights Watch had urged the federal government to bring criminal charges against Cheney, accusing him of playing a role in the torture of detainees."

I believe that single sentence explains Cheney's fear of visiting Canada. If he were to be lawfully arrested on foreign soil, no amount of Secret Service could protect him. The Canadian government would be between a rock and a hard place. I believe that they would want to release the former Vice President to their southern neighbor.World opinion and the uprising of their own citizens would forbid them from doing so.

I can picture the Canadian government discouraging any future visits, while warning him that they could do nothing about legal charges and arrest for his crimes against humanity. Torturing detainees is the merely the tip of the iceberg.

As Bush and Cheney vacated their offices on Jan. 20, 2009, I wondered what the future held for their remaining years. Most former Presidents and some Vice Presidents travel the world as goodwill ambassadors of the United States. Think Clinton, Gore, Bush 41, Carter and Ford.

For the first time in American history, most of the people of the world were left with a very sour taste for anything American. That has been tempered greatly with our present Administration. Yet, a visit by Bush 43 or Cheney would cause uprisings in any country with the possible lone exception of Saudi Arabia(for Bush).

I read the tale of "The Man Without a Country" as a young student. I felt sorry for the man. Bush and Cheney are men without a world. Their only safety is in their own country surrounded by their supporters and heavy security. Stepping outside those bounds is very dangerous, even in the most gracious and friendly nation on Earth, Canada. I have no sympathy for these men.

WTG Canada!. looks like the Bush era is going to be with us for a long time. it is called the new world order NWO! It is called the TSA soon to be in your area at train and bus stationsand Highways across this country. This was papa bush's Idea back when he was president. but all things were not falling into place. Harp on me if ya like but 911???? I was sold on what I saw with the planes hitting the WTC south an North towers. I also said what luck that they fell down IN PLACE???? How do wars start. BY telling your people that their being attacked By someone The Germans did that to their people saying that the Polish army had attacked them . But in reality it was German solders dressed in Polish uniforms that did the dirty deed. Who says that we do not learn from history!

I see slickly Dickie(sorry but tricky dick is already taken)and the little Georgi boy in that same light. 911 a lie, WMD in Iraq a lie,It is to dangerous to go to Canada a lie. Like I wish Sarah P. would go away I wish they all(The entire bush administration) would be held accountable for all those that died because of their lie.

And I do wish to say to all Canadians (my wife included) your the nices people on earth. And you have a beautiful country

I say send him to Bhagdad and let the Iraqis handle him.

Enough is enough. The liberals will pay.

Commonsense101

It's more of what they did to my patriotism.

I was all gung-ho about Iraq. I was hooting and hollering, "Go USA!" at the time of our invasion. There I was wearing my "Freedom Soars" shirt with the American eagle flying over a desert, in my vehicle with a ribbon sporting, "Support Our Troops" on it. I listened to the invasion and cheered them on. Then, when Bagdad was taken in the moment of "Shock and Awe", I stood proud of my country for such military power to crush our opponents and make them surrender to us.

Then, the truth started coming out. I was lied to, and worse, I was used. My patriotism was based on falsehoods. More and more evidence arose to prove that I had supported a presidency that used my patriotism for greed.

They face the Maker upon their departure. Before then, I'd like to see Cheney water-boarded one time. Maybe someone could falsify some documents to convince the American people that Cheney is an enemy of the State and place posters stating, "Wanted, Dead or Alive". But, that would make me stoop to his level wouldn't it?

Now, still today, there are people not only condoning his and Bush's actions but defending it. It cost me and you $801,856,149,958 and counting (HTTP://costofwar.com/en/); 4,484 Americans dead, 32,200 injured, affecting family and friends.

And all Bush was able to do of any significance was to get shoes thrown at him by the ones whom he "liberated".

Go on, support them, but in so doing, realize this: You support war criminals.

Cheney & Bush do not travel overseas or outside our borders because they could be arrested internationally for war crimes.

People in other nations are informed enough to recognize that those two creeps claim that the basics of decency signed by civilized nations after WWI (which the USA promoted at the time) somehow don't apply to us... Bush/Cheney set up special rules of behavior that lowered the bar and the discourse here in a way that still has not been corrected.

Bush at least has the good taste to stay silent and in the background. Cheney and his self-righteous daughter keep on trying to inject themselves into the current political activities. Neither have any respect for the truth and are nothing more than trying to spin his rotten actions and promote the neo-con philosophy.

Never forget the evils promoted by the group "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC). All about US world domination and tearing up the Middle East to facilitate the growth of Israel. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Bennett, Rice, Jeb Bush, BIll Kristol and othesr signed the PNAC "manifesto" back in the 1980's, and have been working on implementation ever since. They have sacrificed the decency and moral foundation of this country to gain money and power. Sad.

So sad, He was the CEO of Haliburton Corp. And who do you think was given the majority of contracts in Iraq to house troops to feed them and be their suppliers& "rebuild Iraq"?? So who made money hand over fist and who was in agreement with bush to "STAY THE COURSE" when things in our economy were going down hill? Why should he care he was making millions.

Halliburton made so much money on those NO-BID contracts to replace all the infrastructure we senselessly ripped out in Iraq, they decided to 'THANK' the American people by opening an office in Dubai in order to avoid paying US taxes.

Thanks Dick! May you rot in hell forever alongside that moronic Bush.

The mindless hatred mentality is alive and well on this thread, accomplishing nothing, as usual, except to feed on itself. Grow up people and get a life that actually contributes something worthwhile to society.

Hey Sally! Who died and Made You da Queen? Another Code Nazi, Just what we needed in this PC environment! Get a life or better yet "Get L**D, to let some of those frustration out !

WTG Sally! We like DA QUEEN! It maybe that marcel is the one needing to get L--D Just learn not to make a racial comments or attack their person by name calling...Easy to do.. IMO.

Tried in absentia in Malaysia Nov. 2011. Found gulty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Come on Canada be the human rights pillar on the Planet as you are. Please invite them, Dick and George to your country any time, make them feel like they are welcome and then arrset them.

Nothing would make me prouder to be Canadian than seeing us arrest those two, but our current PM would never allow his "tough on crime stance" to apply to his buddies.

"The upshot, Ruppert, told the Canadian Press, is that discussion over American policy on such issues as Guantanamo Bay or the Iraq war is being silenced."

It's not "discussion" that is being silenced - it is Cheney's attempts at revisionist history, and his lies about his role in manufacturing the "evidence" for invading Iraq that are being silenced. Cheney is not now and has never been a respecter of political discourse or reasonable dissension - just ask Joseph Wilson about that.

I'm embarrassed that Canadians are far more clued into what is wrong about this man and the terrible damage that he did than Americans are- and apparently they care a great deal more about it, too. Well, maybe Americans are still afraid of him.

We could arrest him for war crimes under internation law i believe, thing is that the government has to do it and currently we're under a conservative one. Trust me i'd have loved it if he were tried but it's not happening for at least another 3 and a half years.

@ legaltexan we just happen to believe that humans, any human, has certain rights that cannot, under any circumstances be taken away from them. Being from another country does not make you less so. Yes we care about 9/11, I'm pretty sure that's why we spent the last few years in afganistan with you, remember, we, until that point, didn't lose a single Canadian life that day.

By what standard do you define a country to be "the greatest on earth"? for almost any anerican standing on things that typically make a country "great" there is another first world country with a higher level of it, and you certainly don't have the best combination. Yes, you are a good country, but certainly not the best, and to be fair, neither is Canada.

Such timid reportage:

"Cheney critics accuse him of endorsing what some have deemed torture – waterboarding and sleep deprivation – against detainees in Bush’s war on terrorism."

He needn't be accused: he has BOASTED of it.

We can thank Dick "Dick" Cheney for bringing the US down to the moral level of the other Torturer-in-Chief Saddam Hussein.

The wars themselves are crimes. We had a right to go after bin Laden but not start a war to do everything but. We have killed far more innocents than Saddam or bin Laden and just blow it off as collateral damage. We always get our man with a drone, never mind the dozen or two that never raised a hand against us. Cheney and Bush should both face a firing squad. The current administration isn't much better either, for continuing the wars.

It is a sad day when someone is so evil they fear the generally amiable Canadians.

Does he really fear that he will be arrested?

Cheney chickening out BWAAAhahahaha what an irresponsible sissy.

Hooray for the Canadians!

Too, bad the same thing doesn't happen to him here, but Americans care more about what one of the morons on Jersey Shore is doing and whether they have the newest iPod rather than the ideals their society is supposed to stand for.

The only thing they'll get seriously pushy and rowdy about is being first in line at the Christmas sale at WallMart.

the united states, the most heavily armed nation in the world where a huge number of people carry handguns is less dangerous than Canada which has extremely strict handgun and assault rifle laws.

Seriously, what is he going to be afraid of next, meditating falun gong believers?

One thing I am absolutely sure of is that if Dick read any of these comments or the comments on any other site where people are expressing their opinions on his performance of the job we hired him to do, his reaction would be a totally predictable, "F you". He was very consistent in showing his disdain for Americans in general. And, on another note, I can't imagine that more than about 7 Canadians would pay 500.00 to hear him speak, so, maybe that is really more of the reason he cancelled. That might embarrass even him.

He was very consistent in showing his disdain for Americans in general.

yep, he knows in his own mind that he should rule, stupid constitution, keeping him from taking his proper place in power

What sorts of leaders/humans are these Dick Cheneys, George Bushes, McCains and whole bunch of scare and war mongers?

These people sent thousands of soldiers to Iraqi wars and even to safeguard their Saudi bosses without Bibles!

Added Afghanistan to their blunder list.

Why can't he visit Canada, a relatively safe place?

If they have points, let them place before the public.

They are not going to some Muslim nation.

Randy that is about as logical as saying Obama is at fault for the holocaust.

Obama actually protected the Bush administration when congress wanted to go after them.

@Legal Texanlegal

This proves Canada has its share of "two bit" progressives that care more about the rights of killers and murderers than they do about the innocents of 9/11

no no. us "two bit" progressives care about justice. conservatives wouldnt know anything about that. it is evident though, that the irony of your comment is totally lost on you. cheney has blood on his hands just the same. those 16 women and children that were murdered in their sleep in afghanistan would probably be alive today, along with that soldier's live not in ruins, if we had not had blood thirsty neo cons in power.

"Before the Vancouver event, the group Human Rights Watch had urged the federal government to bring criminal charges against Cheney, accusing him of playing a role in the torture of detainees."

I believe that single sentence explains Cheney's fear of visiting Canada. If he were to be lawfully arrested on foreign soil, no amount of Secret Service could protect him. The Canadian government would be between a rock and a hard place. I believe that they would want to release the former Vice President to their southern neighbor.World opinion and the uprising of their own citizens would forbid them from doing so.

I can picture the Canadian government discouraging any future visits, while warning him that they could do nothing about legal charges and arrest for his crimes against humanity. Torturing detainees is the merely the tip of the iceberg.

As Bush and Cheney vacated their offices on Jan. 20, 2009, I wondered what the future held for their remaining years. Most former Presidents and some Vice Presidents travel the world as goodwill ambassadors of the United States. Think Clinton, Gore, Bush 41, Carter and Ford.

For the first time in American history, most of the people of the world were left with a very sour taste for anything American. That has been tempered greatly with our present Administration. Yet, a visit by Bush 43 or Cheney would cause uprisings in any country with the possible lone exception of Saudi Arabia(for Bush).

I read the tale of "The Man Without a Country" as a young student. I felt sorry for the man. Bush and Cheney are men without a world. Their only safety is in their own country surrounded by their supporters and heavy security. Stepping outside those bounds is very dangerous, even in the most gracious and friendly nation on Earth, Canada. I have no sympathy for these men.

Too risky for the Cheney Meister to go in the service during Viet Nam days too! Six deferments if I remember right! Another chicken hawk war profiteer. Payment made in blood of our soldiers for no contract bids to his buddies at Haliburton, Blackhawk, etc. Lies for profit. How about giving that profit money to our vets and soldiers returning from Iraq?

As a Progressive shot Gifford, the most moderate Democrat in the House, he should say out of Canada as there are too many hateful, bigoted Progressives floating around out there

C'mon, Dick. Visit our neighbor to the north. They're a little rough but they are friendly, not your enemy. And with that first small step you may be on your way to curing that paranoia. Don't know what we can do about your greed and lack of morals, but that's for another day.

He and gwbush were and always will be cowards................

It's too bad that Canada did not have the chance to arrest and charge Cheney for his War Crimes, which the U.S. Government didn't have the courage to do. As always the elite are protected when they commit crimes.

Ohh he finds going to Canada to risk and scary, Canada being one of the most passive nations in the world, but he has no problem sending our boys into Afganistan and Iraq.

All that money and he can't leave his, "undisclosed location."

Wish he would pass on, already, so we could put him in an undisclosed landfill.

Cheney, who along with former President George W. Bush remains unpopular in Canada....

Let's be honest; is there any country on earth, including the US, where these two are popular?

I'm not a big religious person, but......

I wonder if he realizes he is going to spend an eternity in hell?

More so, for all his crimes against humanity, God has already started it.

Could you imagine being in his old age, with all of those resources at hand, and literally no-where to go?

And the irony of it (for all you Southpark fans) apparently Saddam is Satins right hand man.

PS - I understand this is probably not true, but to hilarious to ignore imagining.

So he and bush are afraid to go to foreign countries. Can you say WAR CRIMES???????

I am thinking Cheney and Little Bush are getting there's right now. Cheney has to pay for his own protection. VP's do not get SS protection like the President get when they leave office. So unless they passed some secret law giving Cheney protection, he has to pay for that form some of the money he stole. I bet he spends millions a year of it.

I always knew Bush 2 and Cheney would never be able to leave this country as they could and would be arrested for war crimes. What I have often wanted to know is, why the international war crimes courts have not gone after them. Cheney at least as he was the brains behind this all. Most Americans think it was Cheney's doings all along. No one thinks Little bush had the brains for this.

Commonsense 101. I think you have hit it on the head in one. It's not about Democrat or Republican, its about crimes against humanity. Too many radio and TV stations are being controlled by political leaning entities. Spreading propaganda. Silencing the truth and rewriting history to everyone, especially in the USA. I hope that more people come around to realizing they have been duped into these wars so politicians and their funders could make the all mighty buck.

J-DOGGIN, You people make me laugh, when you talk about "crimes against humanity". You have no clue. What they did at Gitmo was lightweight, compared to what every other country does to "detainees", to get them to talk. That, unbeknownest to you, is necessary to grill the prisoners to get information out of them. Every country does that. And it does save many lives. When I was in the Marines, we had "POW Camp" every few months to train us for that possibility, and the things they did in there were far more than what they do in Gitmo. Now, even in the Marine boot camp, the drill instructors are not allowed to get physical with the recruits. It's all changing, and for the worse.

America is getting softer by the day, while most other countries are getting tougher, more violent, more vicious. What do you think the outcome will be? Be afraid, be very afraid.

@Bill, I refuse to be afraid. You disrespect the Marines who made the ultimate sacrifice, the marines who served, and the marines currently serving by your statement. You not only offend them but you offend my family, friends and colleagues who currently serve. You disrespect the soldiers under my friends command who passed this month while serving.

I have no problem asking my fellow countrymen to stand up and defend those who are unable. That is to be an American. It is in our blood... it is our nations way.

To defend those who falsely lead our troops into battle for the sole intention of profit.... that is something to which I can not stand for.

But, more to your point, I am glad to see, as you say, you can laugh at your country as it falls into disarray. That truly makes me sad at how misinformed and disconnected you have become.

Get help.

Bill-328037

POW camps? That is the best you got? How does that compare to death? Even if you don't count the "enemy" or "collateral damage", 4840 Americans died... for greed.

Patriotism left with Bush

Bosslimo - "Patriotism left with Bush", and may I add....'and Cheney.' I may not be able to travel as much as I'd like to because of my current economic condition, but it must be prickly for Cheney, because he's so unpopular.

What did he expect? The last administration of "shock and awe" is better left to the past with the great loss of Americans who died--yes, for greed!

Canada is infinitely more benevolent than the US... what a sorry state of reality for a sorry excuse of a man.

As a Progressive shot Gifford,

the guy was and is legally completely batspit insane, not "progressive".

nice try ramjet, but you FAIL BIGTIME

Don't ever let the right wing nut jobs ever forget the Bush/Cheney lies tostart war in Iraq for greed. Don't ever let them forget the loss of lives and wounded for our soldiers, the sacrifices to their families, the hundred thousand of innocent victims of the war. Don't ever let them forget the cost of this war that will go on forever. Don't ever let them forget the billions of dollars that went to Iraq and is missing. Don't ever let them forget Bush gave up on killing Bin Laden. All done for the greed of the filthy rich. Being rich is good, not as war profiteers, or banksters that kill the econmy at all costs of getting richer. Don't let one comment slide by. Stand up against the real "evil doers" wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible.

..prefer quiet to impudent

Those $500 burritos better be damn good...

More than anything, these are influence peddling shows!

Dick Cheney is national hero. Long live Dick Cheney. The greatest VP we ever had!

Rob, You might be the only person in America or for that matter the world that believes that.

Rob, are you also a fan of Hitler.

Rob you should go give of yourself to protect Dick. He lives in hiding for fear he deeds will catch up to him. You should be there when his number comes up.

Be careful, Chucko... yer stradling the line... yer comment sounds very close to death-wishing, which is not put up with on this comment site.

You people are so hateful How about arresting Clinton for bombing an aspirin factory or taking out the Chinese embassy. Please, your prejudice is unbelievable.

riiiiight ... an "aspirin factory" ... according to Afghanistan; according to Western intel, an al qaida training camp, AND a near miss (by 2 hours) for bin Laden. But then, that doesn't suit your rightwing rant, does it? It doesn't jive with the ad nauseum claim by the right that Clinton "ignored" bin Laden. Never mind this incident (which according to the right was just to distract from Monica, the NON ISSUE) OR the intel that gwb was handed on a platter when he entered office.

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

The depth and scope ofClinton's policies against terrorism are detailed here, as is the hypocrisy of the right that once lambasted Clinton for being "overly aggressive" on the issue, only to now try to pin 9/11 on him!

Mass murderer. 100k in iraq and how many in afghan,yugoslavia,haiti,etc and that is with weaponry. How many through starvation? His WEAK heart pumps sulfuric acid. He's too WEAK. The trip would be too much for his WEAK old prostate. He would ruin CANADA with his flatulence and halitosis. He craps depleted uranium into his diapers. He should be afraid to go anywhere but his dank bunker. Glad to see CANADIANS projecting their will of not wanting CRAP coming to their country.

don't mince words secretcolangus, tell us what you really think...

"Cheney was Bush's vice president from 2001 to 2009."

..Why do writers do that? Wait until the middle or end of the story they're writing and just slip a little piece of obvious information in there?

The Bush Cheney Administration was arguably the worst in American history.

After losing the popular vote in the election there was a recount in a state that Bush's brother was governor and he was finally annotated President by members of the Supreme Court who his Daddy appointed.

It was on the Bush Cheney watch that 9/11 took place; it was Bush Cheney who failed to kill or capture Bin Laden: it was Bush Cheney who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war and trillions of dollars spent;

It was Bush Cheney who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq; It was Bush Cheney who failed on the war on terror;

It was Bush Cheney & the GOP who turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars.

And let’s not forget Dick Chaney the Duke of Halliburton who was always hiding in an undisclosed location just like he did during the entire Vietnam War

i'm with anita 2036926 from previous post....WAR CRIMINAL! seems Bush doesn't get too far away either. mmmm

I'll argue that the Grant administration was the worst in U.S. History. I will, however, give you that the Bush Jr. administration could arguably be the worst in recent history.

The Goofy Line Of The Week: Al-Qaida Aspirin Factory...

BWAAAAAAAhahahaha... that's an oxymoron.... *palmface*

I have half a mind to change my NewsVine losername to Al-Qaida Aspirin Factory.

It sounds like the name of just another one of those cartoons nobody watches on Adult Swim.

agree .........

Yea DICK may decided to go hunting ....RUN FOR COVER!

yes, more deaths due to blunt force trauma..decidedly due to slapshots

I don't buy that story for a second. Oh well, I am sure Canada will be happy that he isn't going there.

better look into a mirror and see a real moron

It's got to be the height of irony that Cheney is not going to Canada because of "thugs." Given his past conduct, I would have thought he'd feel right at home among thugs.

Boo Hoo ! A little lack of sleep and some water poured on your face. Perhaps not the best answer for us to use at Gitmo, but it got results. Thanks to a lot of names being given up we have been able to kill top leaders of the Taliban with drones. If you don't like the way things were done maybe we should try the Middle East methods of beheading with a large knife or stoning someone to death.

A few months ago a lady in Iran was stoned to death after being accused of sorcery. I think our methods are a lot better than some of the other countries around the world. Perhaps all of you bleeding hearts would rather these terrorists were running free killing more Americans. Maybe V.P. Cheney wasn't the best nor was Pres. Bush but its not like this is the first time we have gone to war. No war that I know of has ever taken place in history that did not result in someone's death. War almost always makes the sitting President unpopular. If Obama is so much better than Bush then he should bring every troop home. Since he as not, he is no better, but is carrying on a war and no one has blamed Obama for the continual loss of our troops lifes.

He's afraid of being shot!! He and PUPPET bush should have to face a fireing squad! It wouldn't bother me if the bullets were in my gun!!

A little lack of sleep and some water poured on your face. Perhaps not the best answer for us to use at Gitmo, but it got results. Thanks to a lot of names being given up we have been able to kill top leaders of the Taliban with drones.

Name one instance where this actually happened. Cite your evidence (other than "Dick Cheney says so."

Tell you what: You undergo water boarding and then tell us if it all it amounts to is "a little lack of sleep and some water."

Citizen K -- First let me say, if you so strongly believe in your opinions then why hide behind a screen name with no avatar ? I normally don't respond to bogus people like yourself, but I will make an exception this time. .... The CIA confirms using waterboarding on three Al-Qaeda suspects, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, in 2002 and 2003.^{[10 -- Price, Caitlin (2005-02-05).}

Furthermore, the Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (S.E.R.E.) training of the U.S. Navy Seals uses waterboarding (with doctors present) so soldiers will know what it is like if it is used against them after being captured. -- "Waterboarding: A SERE-ing Experience for Tens of Thousands of US Military Personnel by Cdr. Frank "Spig" Wead

But don't just take my word for it, do your own research. And quit being a terrorist sympathizer.

Dear Dr.

President Obama has secretly given all those in the Bush regime a pardon. Can you imagine the media frenzy world-wide, if W's whole regime were brought to trial? It's better to sweep them under the rug and spend time correctling all the damage they did to America. Given the extent of the Bush damage to US prestige and the economy, Obama will need 2 terms to make things right again.

Jeffrey Culbert

I'm an early graduate of the the US Navy's SERE School. In those days, waterboarding had not been invented yet. It was later brought in to replace more sinister torture which I remember. For instance, I remember having to listen to Jimmy Hendrix music over loudspeakers 24 hrs. a day. His song, On the Watchtoiwer, is permanently etched into my mind. When I hear that song now, my mouth begins to foam and I remember being forced to walk into the 40 degree water of a lake in Maine and being stuffed into a tiny wooden box in solitary confinement. You were lucky. You just got "the board".

T. Bill Rate -- Thank You for your service to our country and being a member of the greatest fighting force or earth. I am not a SEAL, but was only using the source as a reference. I was making a point to Citizen K, if the U.S. military would use water-boarding as a training tool for our soldiers, then it is certainly not too much to use on captured terrorists who hold information of others planning to attack our country.

I guess that I am so disappointed in all the people who have posted that former V.P. Cheney and Pres. Bush are criminals for allowing techniques in obtaining information, that help us attain the very freedom that they are enjoying.

Jeffrey Culbert

The US Military doesn't use water boarding while interrogating prisoners of war. This sinister means of extracting information from prisoners is used by other agencies of the US government. In almost all cases the information received are lies anyway.

You may remember that in Iraq certain military police in the US Army used "unconventional" interrogation techniques, such as, electrical shock, stripping male prisoners in front of female interrogators, and other sinister actions which are prohibitted by the Geneva Convention. These unsavory soldiers were given swift and proper punishment via UCMJ.

I don't know if President Bush or V. P. Cheney broke any laws while in office. I do know that neither of them received the Nobel Peace Prize while in office.

Jeffrey Culbert, what does an avatar have to do with being anonymous? My name is Rick Manning. I live in Palmetto, Fla. A quick internet search will reveal my address and phone number for the last 30 years. I have nothing to hide and even less to fear. Your "avatar" provides a likeness that may or may not be a likeness of your own despite your vanity.

Shall we waterboard you to learn your true identity? Better yet, perhaps we shall waterboard your wife and children to assure your true identity.How would you feel about such interrogation technigues then? Such tactics often provoke answers desirous of the captors regardless of the truth. Imagine your neighbors testifying to your suspicious traitorous behavior merely to escape further torture. Would you do the same to them under similar duress? Probably so.

Only a fool would use such a process to bolster his own suspicions. A much smarter man would use hard-earned familiarity and faked friendship to achieve such goals. Gaining the loyalty of the enemy provides much more evidence than sheer terrorism. Bush and Cheney would have known this if loyalty had ever been in their vocabulary. Just as many thieves steal because they think most of us our thieves, The Bush/Cheney administration mistakenly used terrorism to combat terrorism even against their own people because they were............terrorists themselves.

Commonsense101

If I were to guess, your avatar would have the likeness of Thomas Paine, the great author.

I'm a "golden boy" and extremely vane. Therefore, my avatar is dead on. My first name is Treasury and I live in Washington, DC at the Federal Reserve. You can google me and find out more than you ever wanted to know.

Thank you for identifying yourself. Can you provide me your social security number, bank account, and your mother's maiden name?

How are the Canadians going to feel when the Muslin terrorists come after your country?? So again I could not care if they are tortured to get information that will protect our country.

We don't worry about Muslin terrorists... they'll never pull the wool over our eyes. They're too sheepish.

Let us ask the question; why would Muslim terrorists' want to come after a country?

Let me guess, they hate us for our freedoms right? Please.

Canada, prior to it's commitment to NATO forces in Afghanistan, was far safer then they are now that they've been fighting in Afghanistan.

What logical conclusion could we come to? They want to attack us because we stick our noses in their business.

torturing terrorists you dumb sh*t

I could care less how many terrorists are tortured. What do you think the terrorists would do to Americans or citizens of Canada? Oh, have we forgotten 9/11. Go Bush & Chaney.

i agree sharriannie at least the terrorists at git mo still had their heads

Many of the prisoners tortured have not been charged with a crime or committed a crime.

Canada declares torture legal

On Wednesday, the BBC reported that Canada had ordered its intelligence agency to use information that may have been extracted through torture if public safety is at risk.

According to the report, the directive was issued in 2010.

Previously, a 2009 order issued by the Conservative government, had instructed the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) that it must not knowingly rely on information derived from torture.

But the 2010 directive by the public safety ministry adds that it may not be possible to determine how a foreign agency obtained information and in “exceptional circumstances” it may represent “an unacceptable risk to public safety” to ignore it.

In fact, little is new in the report. It has been an open secret for years that the detainees kept in NATO and U.S. facilities like the notorious Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons without any formal charges were subjected to torture. Every such report tended to raise an outcry among human rights activists, but little has changed since then. Oh, no, the U.S. administration HAS changed, but not its practices.

What is new in the report from Canada is the fact that the practices adopted by the U.S. (to which the world has grown accustomed) are used by countries having a much more liberal and milder image that their “elder brothers”. Therefore, in Canada, the report has caused a row.

Members of the Government, like Public Safety Minister Vic Toews tried to play down the graveness of the report and justify the use of torture by saying “can one safely ignore it (the information obtained by torture – B.V.) if Canadian lives and property are at stake?”

But the opposition called the use of torture “repugnant”. An MP for the opposition New Democratic Party, Jack Harris, said the policy would only encourage countries that used torture.

The Toronto Star, citing legal experts, pointed out that the directive issued by the Conservative government condones torture and is breaking federal law and Canada’s international commitment.

“We’re signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture and there is an absolute prohibition against torture, period,” Stuart Hendin, an expert in the law of armed conflict and human right laws from the University of Ottawa said.

The report also became a powerful tool for the West’s bitterest opponent, Iran, to fire back. The English-language Iranian channel Press TV stated that “the use of torture to obtain information is not just a Canadian or US policy alone. It is an imperial policy designed to terrorize people and it reflects the criminal nature of the duo’s (the U.S. and Canada’s) imperial controllers.”

Indeed, so much has been said about the notorious “double standards” that sometimes it seems useless to appeal to the notion. But what else can be done, if every now and then the West demonstrates its angry readiness to attack anyone whose only fault is that he is weaker, under the pretext of “human rights violations” and “massive tortures against their own people”, but at the same time publicly acknowledges that it is in no way different from those it attacks?

Actually, with the U.S. this is a commonplace practice. Its bombing of civilians in sovereign countries (not necessarily the ones it is at war with, like Afghanistan or, lately, Iraq), its use of torture and years-long imprisonment without trial change little in Uncle Sam’s overall picture.

But Canada – the country claiming to be a sample of Europe in the Western hemisphere? Indeed, one can only wonder how far the U.S.’ younger brothers might go in order to copy their elders one.

It’s very much doubtful that legalization of torture by the Canadian government is worth the tarnished image – not only of the government, but of the whole country.

I don't know how Cheney sleeps at night in this country and Bush with that smirk that tells us all that nobody was ever home...drove this country into the worst depression since the 1920's with their two wars!!

Dadoftim, Canada's not making torture legal, only accepting that information passed to CSIS by way of other countries that may have been obtained through torture can still be used, albeit the authenticity of the information is suspect.

The government found out the hard way that vicarious torture costs $10.5M (Wiki: Maher Arar) which may dampen their mood to try it again.

D Gerrow; take your complaint to the author/publisher of the article.

D Garrow, possible black site prisons (?), the kind that were common during Bushes tenure and likely still exist. These offshore prison operate under the tacit approval of Western governments who cannot themselves procure the intelligence with those methods. Canada is likely now working along side these black sites and is acknowledging, publicly, that they are accepting the information garnered at said sites, while failing to mention where that information is garnered and with what approval they gave for the techniques used. They don't have to come out and say it for us to get the picture.

"He has no shame." What do you expect? He's a republican. They haven't any integrity either. Just think, their bastion of freedom of speech is Fox, a Murdoch - Ailes entity. And Murdoch's on trial in GBritain. Yep, that the repub/tparty. Cheney ran the U.S. into the ground, while Bushie played president. Some legacy for mommy barbara bush. I wonder what both parents think when they hear President Obama.

Ruppert did NOT misspeak. He knows exactly who the thugs were and are, and it's not Cheney or Bush. Obviously, since Canada has elected the conservative government, most of their citizens have realized that a big stick is of no use unless it is actually used when necessary. Bush and Cheney have allowed ZERO successful attacks on the US (and, if the truth be known, Canada, as well) by their brave and unbending policies in Guantanamo. It takes real courage to stand up against the liberal media and ungrateful anti-American putzes, both at home and in a pink neighbor. If certain thuggish groups want to deprive their citizens of decent discussions and explanations, then let them continue in their ignorance. I'm sure the Cheneys can find a better use of their time.

Hawker1 13.2

"Bush and Cheney have allowed ZERO successful attacks on the US (and, if the truth be known, Canada, as well) by their brave and unbending policies in Guantanamo."

Bush and Cheney only allowed ONE successful attack on the US . . . the one that CAUSED Guantanamo to become a political football.

As I recall, it was in September of 2001.

He doesn't have the stomach to do his own dirty work. Must be nice to be able to approve torture when it is against international law without fear of ever being called to pay for your crime. Just another pussy with a bodyguards! Guess he shows his true colors by being to afraid to go to Canada. Who in their right mind is afraid to go to Canada/

It's been years since the latest prisoner was sent to Gitmo. How is anything we get from them stopping anything happening now? It took 10 years to put together the 9/11 attack and that blew their wad in ideas. Anything else happening will be a brute force attack or a lone wolf idiot. I credit Bush/Cheney with eroding our civil rights, spending us into a recession, starting illegal wars, not with protecting the U.S.

Clean up on Aisle #13.2! We've got a tea partier throwing it around to and fro, playing with the bags and trying to light a kerosene fuled lantern with his Bic!

Bush and Cheney have allowed ZERO successful attacks on the US (and, if the truth be known, Canada, as well) by their brave and unbending policies in Guantanamo.

9/11/01and 2000+ innocents lost doesn't count? How about the roadside bombs? How about 4840 deaths in Iraq alone? Where those not Americans? How about those Canadian soldiers that died...

Odd 13.3

You have no idea how close to the truth you words ring.

Fact is the administration DID know about it.

Fact is they LET it happen.

And you hold this up as an example of greatness?

They concealed facts; before 911, on 911 and after 911.

Period.

earthgirl at least us repubs arent as stupid as you on the left , you people arent smart enough to be stupid, anybody that would put a wanna be in office like Mr. O '........my gosh and belive all the crap that spews from his mouth, I bet you still believe in the stork and santa clause , you need to come back from fantasy land where Mr. O has taken you all. Hope and Change my as....

Hush your mouth. Mr. O has protected us for three years from a terrorist attack. That is two years and 3 months longer than the Bush administration's first attempt to protect us. Mr. O's response to the basturd responsible for 9/11 was to kill him dead. Not to claim the mass murderer was not important as he lead us into our very first preemptive war against a sovereign nation that proved to having nothing to do with 9/11.

Mr.O was directly responsible for the demise of another middle-east dictator, (shot at and missed by Ronnie Raygun), without the loss of a single life of a brave young american troop. Mr.O is currently wrapping up the operation in Afghanistan that has succeeded in killing the many heads of the snake called Al Qaeda responsible for the first successful attack on the American heart land. Remember that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was on an American Territory. Not to become our 50th state for more than a decade later.

Mr. O has successfully defeated our greatest enemies without drawing us into an expensive war that depletes our treasury and sacrifices the lives of our brightest and bravest young troops. That is the mark of a true leader of free nations around the globe. Very unlike the cowardly chicken-hawks that rushed to war to fill the coffers of wealthy war profiteers as they raided our treasury and willingly sacrificed the lives of our brave young troops for a lost cause.

I will proudly vote for President Obama and those that stand by his side in Congress. I will proudly vote against those that deliberately impede the much needed progress of a nation in dire need because of their deep hatred and jealousy of a man that often uses his own and their own ideals to further the American dream. I watched this same movie once with President Clinton at the helm.

The sequel with Bush 43 and friends left a very bad taste in my mouth along with the rest of the civilized world. The time to turn the clock backwards is not now or ever in pursuit of prosperity. We must go forward with the one that brought us to the dance, not to the last date and friends that deposited us home without so much as a kiss as our poor trampled feet barely led us to bed.

wives fan, it's not just in Iraq. Did you see the film GasLand? Haliburton is involved with natural gas fracking here in the States. And of course, it was Cheney that had fracking omitted from the regulations with regard to the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts, and they don't have to reveal any of the chemicals used.

Re wives fan

Well if the repubs get into office guess who has a lifetime pass to be back in action. that is the major reason I am not voting repub, because all those that we threw out last time will rear their ugly heads again. Not to mention the new crowd of idiots like Trump. It's not the candidates that are scary, it's the baggage of people that come with them.

ekonkar-if you believe the movie gasland-then you need a lot of help-that movie has been proven to be junk

oi812, proven by who........Fox News?

The legacy of that republican criminal regime of bush/cheney will be with us for many decades. There are still issues that haven't been publicized, i.e., we just learned about 'pink slime' okayed by the bush/cheney regime - that's the product made of leftover animal parts that are ground and chemicalized to look like hamburger - then it's sold to the companies that make food for school children. Then there's the deregulation of chemically fed animal parts that even Europe won't touch. If we get a repub/tparty in the WHouse, stuff like this will continue because it enriches corporations. There's so many things that have to be undone. OBAMA 2012

Consorting with the oil industry intensified once 2 oilmen stole the election in 2000. Dick Cheney, Duke of Halliburton had his aids conspire with BP America and other oil companies to draw up the US energy policy and get rid of all those nuisances regulations. The US is now dependent on BP to find a solution to the horror it has created. Both the financial crises and the oil spill are both Bush, Cheney created monsters. It’s now time for congressional investigations into how Cheney Bush created this mess.

Of course they are. Just go to Farmington, New Mexico, where fracking is a way of life and read the name on the sides of all those red trucks -- Halliburton!

Ewww, is that what was sold in our school burgers? I thought that was soy. I never ate anything in the cafeteria that didn't come from Pizza Hut or home, but gross. Note: this was in the 80s and 90s. The @!$%# they do to save a buck.

I am SICK of paying thousands in MY TAXES to keep this cretin alive with HIS free taxpayer funded healthcare while I can barely pay for MY OWN medications every month. Cheney you worthless, cowardly thieving piece of living garbage, GO to Canada PLEASE.

Ya, Cheney needs support to keep his heart going? Supprise!!

He IS a hockey puck.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Canada or even Dick Cheney...it has to do with you being blind to the horrible things the Democrats do and seeing everythign the Republicans do as wrong. (No matter what good the Repubs. do)

What good do the republicans do?

Using the words "good" and "Repubs." in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

@Ferrosynthesis....... You do realize you might have opened up a can of worms with that question. How about I ask you the same question, only replace Republican with Democrat. Ten dollars to a donut your list of "good" that Dems do will be shorter. A LOT shorter. Dems talk a good talk and actually believe they do and are doing good, but talk is cheap (or shall we say expensive). Have fun with your list of "good" that the Dems have actually "accomplished", not just talked about "doing".

There are countless good things Democrats have done for society. Social security was implemented under President FDR, who led us through the depression and WWII. JFK asked us to reach for the moon, which we accomplished. LBJ passed the Civil rights act and Medicare/Medicaid. Clinton presided over an economic boom and lowered the deficit.

Republicans have also accomplished great things. Eisenhower put workers back to work building the interstate highway system. Nixon opened up relations with China. Reagan built up the military, helping end the Cold war, and led us out of a recession.

Bush I & II though - no comment...

helping ppl with healthcare, saving the markets, getting us out of iraq, GETTING OSAMA, helping getting rid of libya's leader, helping the unemployed, helping ppl with saving there house's, taking us from losing 700,000 jobs a month to 20+ straight months of jog growth, bringing manufacturing jobs at the highest since the 90's, helping veterans etc etc etc. I could go on but won't. What's your list? tax cut's and going after women? lol please

hey ken wulf you stupid dummycrap, put the current buffoon right up there with them.

Notice with EAGLELOVER's paragraph, he still didn't list just one good thing.

@Head Priest......Thank you. @Sean And Dangerous Mind......I'm back. I forced myself to look at the rest of the threads on here. I'm thanking Head Priest for keeping it short and sweet. I could list a page full of positive accomplishments the Republicans have accomplished but past experience tells me it is a total waste of time to empty minds. Google is a useful tool, along with many websites that aren't so bias based. I choose to look at both sides and the unbiased side. I am not a Republican. I use to be. I choose to be an Independent. By this choice, I find it easier to look at both sides with an open mind. I make my own decisions based on what is going to best benefit my Family, my Community, my State and most of all, my Country. There are plenty of folks from both sides that talk a good talk but by doing my own research, and not relying on a "popular idea or ideal", I feel I am a responsible citizen performing his civic duty in an informed manner of voting. Unlike most, I don't vote party lines. If your message rings truth and betterment for the reasons I have stated above, you have my vote. I listen to CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, NBC, CSPAN and many web based news sites to gather my information to best formulate my opinion as to who will best represent me and this country. I wish more people were more responsible when it comes to voting responsibely

Well now, I've lived quite a few years and a lot has been done by both parties in this country to make her the most powerful, the most respected system of government the world has ever known. So many powerful changes have been implemented and I come down on the Dem side of this argument because the changes that have made my life and working conditions better have been Dem projects and the changes that have given power and wealth to corporations and made my standard of living lower has been Rep. I don't like red neck repubs and I never will. I've seen too much and experienced the fallout from the institutionalized greed they support. I don't like the entitlement programs the Dems have had to put in place but that has been the only thing that supports and feeds so many victims of Rep redistribution of wealth.

Eagle lover still hasn't made his list you'll note.

Sean, do you actually think that people believe your tripe? Another "highly intelligent" lefty with no common sense. You are out of work right? Another lefty sitting home on government handouts.

One day, maybe we here in the USA will have a president with enough guts to Arrest Dick and george and ship them to Europe for War Crimes!!!

Speak for yourself. Never voted for Bush I or II. There are some of us that vote with our hearts and not our pocketbook.

most wouldn't want to know the truth, and to keep their heads in the sand would do what they're told. they just dont realize that their heads are in the sand and their pants are down..

I did not vote for Bush II in 2000 or 2004. I'm NOT stupid.

@ Harold: Would you say the same for Obama moving G8 from Chicago to Cam David.

It is these lovers of freedom whom now everyone feels helpless against, no police department wants to deal with these legitimized thugs.

Thomas, though the G8 has been moved to CD because of a myriad of concerns from traffic/protests from anarchist orginizations harming ongoing businesses, the NATO Summit is still on schedule to be in Chicago. The 'thugs' were running the circus show from 2000-2008, part of the reason Bush & Co. haven't left the shores of America since leaving office. But you don't mind 'hiding' cowards who also are war criminals as seen by most people in the world in plain sight, do you.

NATO Summit is not in public places it is to be held at a USAF Base way out of Public area and no protestors are allowed even 5 miles from the base.

Is that summit you are talking about?

G8 summit was to be held in downtown Chicago. that is where Chicago police gave in after spending Millions of dollars in preparations.

If Cheney and Bush want to hide there no better place than Canada a country with no extradition treaties.

FYI : Both Bush and Cheney have traveled to: China, India, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa just to name a few countries. Look it up.

Thomas Boyce

If Cheney and Bush want to hide there no better place than Canada a country with no extradition treaties.

Thomas, I'm just curious why you would try to pass off this blatent lie as the truth. Fact is it took about 30 seconds research to find out that Canada has extradition agreements of some form or another with 85 different countries, including a bi-lateral one with the USA. Our one caveat is that we will not extradite someone to a country where they will face the death penalty. As a non-death penalty country we obviously cannot do so with a clear conscience.

@Freefaller: Why do criminal run and hide in Canada?

@Thomas, I'm guessing it's because criminals are generally not very educated about our extradition laws and are in too much of a hurry to research it prior to hitting the road. Our criminals that run will pretty much always head for the USA, does that mean the USA has no extradition treaties?

Our one caveat is that we will not extradite someone to a country where they will face the death penalty. As a non-death penalty country we obviously cannot do so with a clear conscience.

US? A non-death penalty country??

Learn something new every day <sarcasm>.

I agree completely --- my fantasy is if he left the country, he'd take that idiot daughter (Liz) with him and we could somehow block them from ever disgracing our shores again. I think they are both despicable human beings and pseudo-patriot chickenhawks.

This guy had 25 heart attacks and he still lives, why be scared of going to Canada?

I have some respect for his daughter. After knowing everything that administration did, she is still able to ignore emotion and morals to defend him.

My daughter would throw me under a bus! LOL!

@Bosslimo: LOFL; that's a heck of a compliment ... and you're right; most kids would have gone into Witness Protection if Dick Cheney was their father.

And dom's mom......your stupidity is believable.

AW poor Dick, if he thinks Canada is dangerous he better stay out of Oregon too!