I don't get it either. Does the military give any of the soldiers mental health screenings after a deployment and before a re-deployment? I would think that psychological testing would be customary for people who are being asked to kill others and who risk being killed themselves.

I can't imagine how my personality would change if I killed a bunch of people and saw my buddies blown up and mutilated on a regular basis. And I'd wonder about the person who actually want to do a tour all over again.

Yes, the Army tests soldiers post deployment for mental health, PTSD, TBI but the soldiers ask each other what questions will be on the tests so they can pass them. My ex-husband deployed 3x in 5 years and had all the tests memorized.

$150K. Man, this guy paid way too much.

Anyway, divorce probably would be about the same or less and no prison time to boot.

.

This is the second comment I've made in three days, and this is really amazing, and disturbing to me. In the last comment I let it be known that at one time my children's father and I were stationed at Fort Lewis, and the only thing disturbing to me was all of the so called clandestine extra-marital affairs, and the young women who went to the EM club on the weekends hoping to catch a naive newly enlisted soldier to marry them for their money. But, this is truly outrageous!

They need to check the water at Lewis-McChord. There's been way too many people involved in bizarre violence that were stationed there. Something has to be affecting these people, food, water, pesticides, radiation, mercury poisoning, something.

DEE-734079 - and the only thing disturbing to me was all of the so called clandestine extra-marital affairs

This exactly what the Cause of the Problem is. And that goes for both the US Military Men and Women, with the resulting extremely high suicide rate, domestic violence, etc..

As it is not unusual that as a Divorce Lawyer trick the Divorce Paperwork or Hearing Notices from the male or female Non Military spouse shows up while the US Military Service Member is in the middle of no where on Deployment.

Being that the Staff Judge Advocate cannot get involved with "Civil Law" Matters, the US Military Service Member has to hire a US Civilian Divorce Attorney at their own expense while being paid below minimum wage.

DEE-734079 - and the young women who went to the EM club on the weekends hoping to catch a naive newly enlisted soldier to marry them for their money.

That does not only happen to the Enlisted US Military Service Members, all you have to do is go around the sources of US Military Officer Commissions, US College and University ROTC Programs, the US Military Academies, the Basic Officer's Training Courses to see all the male and female "Gold Diggers".

To decrease the numbers of suicides, domestic violence, etc. cases in the US Military the US Law, Service Members Civil Relief Act was Amended. However, this does not go far enough even according to the non US Military Attorneys to protect the US Military Service Members from becoming Bankrupt (the non US Military Service Member awarded everything as the US Civilian Court Judges believe that the US Military Service Member "Can Afford It" and completely ignore the US Federal Law Service Members Civil Relief Act (that also pertains the US Military Veterans)).

There have been numerous demands to make some of the portions of the US Military Service Members Civil Relief Act punitive in Nature and even a Felony Crime against US Military Service Members, as during the Centuries, many of the Civil in Nature Crimes against US Military Service Members outlined in the US Law have not been stopped due to lack of the US Law "having Teeth" (known harsh consequences for violations of the US Law).

Most US Military Commanding Officers know that this also leads into the UCMJ and the UCMJ Article 134, that the US Military Personnel must abide by while the Non US Military Service Member's Spouse does not have to abide by (even while living on a US Military Installation, that most US Civilians cannot even live by for a few days; even most Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, those that made the UCMJ, etc. admit that they cannot live by the conditions stated in the UCMJ. There are also the Four Legal Authorities Over the US Military, as not Double Jeopardy to be tried four times for the same Crime.

The US Military has been stretched to past the Broken Point (already way past the Breaking Point) as it is only the 1% of US Citizens of the US Military that are doing what the 92% of US Citizens that have NEVER Served Refuse to Do while being paid below minimum wages. While refusing to allow the US Military To Unionize to get a "Fair and Living Wage", as well as REAL Representation as US Citizens at US Congress and the US Political System, and US Constitutional Rights (irony those that Swore or Affirmed an Oath to Protect the US Constitution are those that do not have the Rights).

Many in the US Military voted for Candidate Obama because to solve the constant deployments, he promised (Verbal Contract) to instate the Selective Service and or Mandatory Compulsory US Military Service to Force the 92% of US Citizens that have Never Served in the US Military "To Do Their Fair Share".

In less than 3 months I will finally be able to go back on Retirement again, NEVER to ever be Recalled to Active Duty again (and again and again) as "Too Old".

For this guy I think the bigger problem is when he:

"was a young child he witnessed his mother kill his two siblings. She also shot the defendant multiple times and left him for dead."

Someone that has gone through something like that has to have some deep issues.

Go to war and something has to snap.

$150,000 for a hit job ( I think $5000 is not uncommon), Jesus, is this where our tax dollars are going? I can't believe that the army allows someone who suffered and witnessed the death of his siblings by his own mother join and go to war just on a whim. He obviously needs super psych evaluation, If I was a recruiter, and did some background checks, I would have never allowed any combat roles for him. That Army base is going psycho, too many deployments by the same soilders. Experiance is not helping here. Time to bring our troops home.

There is something seriously wrong going on at Joint Base Lewis-McChord. There have just been far too many incidents involving soldiers from this base. There medical staff must be completely incompetent to be missing all of these psychological problems among the soldiers. The leadership of the base must also be brain dead not to recognize that they have a major problem that needs fixing. Either that or there is a complete failure in leadership and those running the base are pressuring the doctors not to make diagnoses of PTSD, TBI, or other psychological conditions. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the leadership of this base as well as the staff at it's medical facility. It is obvious to anyone that the soldiers from this base are not getting the treatment they need and that unfit soldiers are being medically cleared and sent back out on combat deployments. What is going on at this base is a complete disgrace to the entire US military.

He can save $150,000 without the family missing it or knowing it. How much are we paying these people, plus he still has more benefits than anybody who works for a living.

This is also the base of that soldier who shot and killed a park ranger then died trying to escape, wading through chest-deep snow in no shoes. There's no coincidence here; they're cutting corners on mental health, and those guys have been deployed WAY too many times.

Horrible things happen at all of the military installations, but often the military either keeps it out of the news or does something to "help" the one who caused the problems. Oftentimes the local police turn soldiers over to the military police who instead issue article 15's.

If the military actually did mental evaluations on people before joining I don't think as many of these things would happen.

He can save $150,000 without the family missing it or knowing it.

Dick, somewhat doubtful, I agree...hmmm.

...plus he still has more benefits

Trust me, NOT.

...than anybody who works for a living.

Not even funny.

DoD needs to get a handle on those troops up there, they're out of control in Tacoma.

Dick-2100935, of all the people the society pays ridiculous salaries to, your worried about a soldiers? Your funny!

justamazin

First, you're correct in your statement that "Horrible things happen at all of the military installations"... trust me, I was stationed at Fort Bragg for a very long time and if there was ever a military base and town to earn it's reputation as "badass and dangerous", it was Fayetteville and Fort Bragg NC, that being said I think better trained leaders in the military working with local leaders have turned it around and from what I've seen in my visits and from those I know living in the area and stationed there it's world-class. By contrast, Joint Base Lewis-McChord (mostly Fort Lewis, the Army side of this joint base) is just totally out of control and nobody has a clue on what to do. This war is taking a very bad toll on this country and especially those who have to fight it, but there is no excuse for what is happening with these troops from that base, PTSD withstanding, and so far all of these incidents involving soldiers from this base have centered around a single unit... "The Striker Brigade", although no mention of a unit for the LTC. in this article, but I say look at the leaders... ALL OF THEM. No, I'm not pointing fingers, but anyone stationed in the 82nd Airborne Division from the late 70's up to the 90's can tell you about the reputation that hung around our necks, deserved or not, it was there.

Now, your other statement, "If the military actually did mental evaluations on people before joining I don't think as many of these things would happen." Not really, all a psych-eval does is evaluate what\who you are at the time of the evaluation and offers probabilities of what you may be like later, people change, more due-diligence and CYA than anything else.

I see everyone here has automatically lynched Lieutenant Colonel (O-5) Robert E. Underwood in the Court of Public Opinion.

How about this we do a Perry Mason on this:

a. Motives of the Estranged Wife, Kara Underwood, during the Divorce?

b. Motives of the Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel (O-5) Shawn Reed?

c. Was there more than just a Commanding Officer's Relationship between Kara Underwood and O-5 Shawn Reed? O-5 Shawn Reed then subject to Prosecution under the UCMJ.

d. Did the Chain of Command know about any Sexual Activities or Relationships that may have violated the UCMJ? The Chain of Command then prosecutable under the UCMJ.

e. Knowing that the stigma of seeing a Psychiatrist or Psychologist is enough to destroy a US Military Officer's US Military Career, was it out of genuine concern or to get rid of Lieutenant Colonel (O-5) Robert E. Underwood by being sent Involuntarily for an Evaluation.

Don't laugh during previous Reduction In Forces of the US Military this was one of the methods used to discredit potential competitors for promotions (notice both Shawn Reed and Robert E. Underwood are O-5s). With President Obama's current Reduction In Forces of the US Military of 80,000 + 27,000 returning from the Wars + 10,000 returning from closed US Military Installations at Germany + 5 additional Brigades thrown on Unemployment, I would not be surprised. Of course this method to discredit potential competitors and those selected and RIF'ed were later overturned during previous Lawsuits (After the Fact), large settlements, reinstatements, retroactive promotions, lots of back payments, etc. and prosecutions (including of the Chain of Command that had knowledge). So now most of the US Military is sweating President Obama's RIFs again.

f. Motives of Serena Kiptoo turning in Lieutenant Colonel (O-5) Robert E. Underwood ?

What I would like to hear is all the declared as "Irrelevant" Facts. The actual Evidence (not the he said, she said). And all the scuttlebutt and grapevine information at Fort Lewis (don't laugh US Military Installations have very little privacy), sometimes the scuttlebutt and grapevine knows most of the Facts (especially the who is F**king who), you then follow up the scuttlebutt and grapevine information in an extensive investigation to gain evidence (100% proof), saw a Lieutenant General go down the tubes (almost Federal Penitentiary) after a follow up investigation (the leads from the scuttlebutt and grapevine).

Don't laugh during previous Reduction In Forces of the US Military

Doesn't work that way now. If either of them was not retirement eligible that one would be continued in service until they were.

Oh come on... I live in Dupont (5 min. outside JBLM), and am the proud spouse of an active duty officer stationed at JBLM. This is a very large post with a diverse military and civilian working population. The vast majority of us (military families) are solid citizens who care deeply about our families, our communities, and the country as a whole. There is no need to resort to fear-mongering of this sort. The crime rate in my community is extremely low, and no, we don't need to lock our doors.

If true Sheila.

Royce since it is reported here I would think it must be true.

I would guess that if is his mother didn't kill herself, she was tried.

Not to mention he made it to the rank of LT. Col, and I would have called it a success story. He survived a psychotic mother and family killer that says alot. All he had to do was wait out the divorce. Common, he had 150,000 dollars to spare, he was doing something right until this idotic action. Although, alot of things don't add up like the pictures of his naked daugher?

exactly. There is no way anyone would completely "recover" from that. He became the only thing he could become, an emotionally broken killer. I may be the only one, but I feel horrible for him...

@Phenomenal112: based on your comments, here, you really don't get it. 1) *Your* tax dollars don't have anything to do with this. The guy is a soldier - he does a job like anyone else and he gets paid to do it. He can do whatever he likes with the money he earns doing that job as long as it's legal, just like anyone else. 2) Just because he made it to a high rank doesn't mean he's a "success story". My father was a career Marine Corps officer with 22 years of service and deployments in both Korea and Viet Nam, a retired Major with two Distinguished Flying Crosses and multiple medals and award for meritorious service. He still went batty during the first Iraq invasion and tried to kill me, my mother, my sister and himself. 3) For guys like this "waiting out the divorce" isn't going to cut it. They are trained in purely logical emotionally dissociative reasoning in order to be able to do what they do - kill people. As such they are often much more reptilian than human after such deployments and they don't think like ordinary people. PTSD or not their brains are simply wired differently by their training and experiences in ways that those who have not gone through it simply can't imagine. To them pride is everything and no amount of money or jail time would be too much to save that sense of pride.

You really need to understand the military mind set before you go spouting off comments that just don't apply.

What a sad sad story Angie S. What a sad state of affairs for all military families and the like.

You are nuttier than a damn fruit cake.

Michelle, are you blonde??? Sure sounds like it. You have consumed way too much liberal Kool-Aid. Hope that you successfully grow up...and soon...for your families sake.

That's funny Dennis because almost all the female anchors in FOX news are blond. I suggest it is time that you stop stereotyping and grow up.

Ann Coulter is blond......so maybe there is something to the connection between crazy and blond.

Oh, ya I know there is a connection, my ex-wife was blond.

Michelle-1583970 - Thanks Bush and Cheney.....I hope you are proud of yourself. I know Satan is.

What do Bush and Cheney have to do with this.

FYI, Michelle-1583970, the year is 2012, President Obama has been President and Commander In Chief for over 3 years now. And according to most Demoncraps, is responsible for everything that occurs during his Watch.

Michelle-1583970 - I know Satan is.

Happy with your twisting the truth:

Afghanistan as a result of the US Congress demanding a Response to the 9/11 2001 Attacks against the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government that provided Islamic Sanctuary to Osama Bin Laden, Al Quada, and fully supported the Islamic Jihadist Training Camps.

So weeks after the 9/11 2001 Attacks US Congress passes US Laws with US Congressional Appropriations and US Senate Resolutions with US Congressional Appropriations, "then people like me" due to being "Middle East" Qualified, end up going into Afghanistan to Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government of Afghanistan. One of those things that the 92% of US Citizens would REFUSE to do as a Civic Duty.

http://dougstanton.net/

Iraq: Due to President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" justification Section 2 "Findings" Weapons of Mass Destruction (President Clinton started that NOT President Bush) as demanded by President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address (also Weapons of Mass Destruction), the US Military conducts operations while attached to the President's Own Executive Intelligence Agency the CIA as SAD/SOG to Overthrow President Hussein and the Iraqis Government (An Act of War), when these covert means failed; President Clinton demands that the US Military conduct 1998 Operation Desert Fox. President Clinton believed that the US Military must not attack the Iraqis Government, as to have someone left to negotiate Peace (have President Hussein Resign); so President Clinton specifically has the US Military bomb and cruise missile attack the Urban Poor Areas of Baghdad. Those of us on the ground outside of Baghdad trained and qualified as Middle East vehemently disagree (just short of actual "Insubordination" and refusal of an Executive Order) as it is a extremely bad thing in Islam to do things against the Poor of Islam. President Clinton refuse to listen and we are not allowed to do the targeting. Many (thousands) of the Urban Poor of Baghdad are killed. The Islamic World names the US as the Great Satan and justifies all Islamic Jihadists violence against the US (Osama Bin Laden and Al Quada later start the planning of the 9/11 2001 Attacks).

After all of the failures of President Clinton's H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" the US Law does not just go away until completed. This then becomes US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom, 1998 to 2011.

The reasons why President Clinton and US Congress would not just let things be are here:

http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2011/10/17/8369272-iraq

In 2002 US Congress Declares War With Iraq, as the First Declared War since World War II. As by US Law it takes both Houses to Declare War, NOT the US President. The US Congress House of Representatives had already Declared War with Iraq with US Law, H.R.4655; so the US Senate passes the Senate's 2002 Iraqi War Resolution. Both with US Congressional Appropriations. This all meets the requirements of US Law, 1973 War Powers Resolution. So the US President/Commander In Chief and US Military must accomplish the "Will of the People" as demanded by US Congress. Research what an Impeachable Offense is.

In 2002 we are redeployed from Afghanistan to Northern Iraq to conduct 2002-2003 Operation Hotel California.

So, Michelle-1583970, seems that you are representative of the 92% of US Citizens that have NEVER Served in the US Military (we like to know the real reasons why we might die or to figure out if we might be following Illegal Orders (to be prosecuted), or if we fail end up as Politically Expedient Scapegoats). Enough with your phony Bush Bashing.

You want to talk about War Crimes, Illegal War, No Funding, etc. let's talk about Libya, UN Resolution 1973 (nothing about Overthrowing an Established Government, and definitely nothing about taking sides "to protect the Civilians of Libya" (On Both Sides!)), Discretionary Funding, the International Court of Justice at the Hague, 1973 War Powers Resolution Requirements that limit the US Presidents War Powers, No US Laws (Declaration of War) to cover President Obama's arse, etc..

To make matters even worse President Obama as Commander In Chief (so don't say it was not President Obama) Reduction In Forces of the US Military of 80,000 US Military Personnel + 27,000 Returning from the Wars + 10,000 US Military from the Closed US Military Installations at Germany + another 5 Brigades all thrown on US Unemployment. This then means even less people to be continually sent on numerous Deployments.

And do NOT use the lame excuse that it is more expensive to keep all the below mininum wage US Military listed above instead of throwing out the expensive overpaid hundred million US Civilians employed by the US Military.

I am talking about the Real World Life or Death School of Hard Knocks, what are you talking about the academic idealistic non factual emotive nonsense opinions?

This is Newsvine "Get Smarter Here" as a Forum to Discuss Facts, not a personal blog to fling emotive non factual opinions like a ape in a cage flings feces.

WOW!! David!!! What propaganda!!

The Iraq Liberation act specifically FORBADE the use of the US military in it's execution and is no justification for the war in Iraq!!

SEC. 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act.

The US did NOT declare war on Iraq. Congress gave BUSH the authority to make the decision IF there was no other alternative. Written by the White House, it is filled with lies and misstatement of fact. Initially, the resolution contained language that would allow Bush to wage war thruout the Middle East but Congress would none of that!

The facts are that the Iraq war was totally a Bush affair, planned before he ran for POTUS, by people who ended up in VERY powerful positions in the Bush administration! It was about oil!

Document Reveals
Mr. Bush Took Aim at Iraqi Oil Before the 2000 Election

Answers Why Mr. Cheney Has
Fought So Hard to Keep Secrets

http://www.yuricareport.com/Energy/BushWarPlansFoundInEnergyPolicy.html

David, you are a propagandist extraordinaire, but too many people have done the research on how the GOP plunged this country into one disaster after another! They will pay for that in November!

We've been safe and. Bush isn't the only president who went to war.

Tom in NH-294381 - The Iraq Liberation act specifically FORBADE the use of the US military in it's execution and is no justification for the war in Iraq!!

Nice try for someone that was not directly involved with the US Military Teams attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG. Note: When attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG you then are considered technically no longer US Military and part of the President's Own Executive Intelligence Agency.

Tom in NH-294381 - The US did NOT declare war on Iraq. Congress gave BUSH the authority to make the decision IF there was no other alternative.

You and the others that voted for your uninformed emotive opinionated post need to research the Requirements for Declaring War.

Wikipedia (wikipedia disclaimer of Facts posted on wikipedia) or baloney political party sound bites do not negate firsthand experience.

WOW WHAT PROPAGANDA DEFENDING "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN".

Tom in NH-294381 - The Iraq Liberation act specifically FORBADE the use of the US military in it's execution and is no justification for the war in Iraq!!

SEC. 4. ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT A TRANSITION TO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ.

(a) AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE- The President may provide to the Iraqi democratic opposition organizations designated in accordance with section 5 the following assistance:

• (1) BROADCASTING ASSISTANCE- (A) Grant assistance to such organizations for radio and television broadcasting by such organizations to Iraq.

• (B) There is authorized to be appropriated to the United States Information Agency $2,000,000 for fiscal year 1999 to carry out this paragraph.

• (2) MILITARY ASSISTANCE- (A) The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for such organizations.

• (B) The aggregate value (as defined in section 644(m) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961) of assistance provided under this paragraph may not exceed $97,000,000.

Tom in NH-294381,

Sure talk about not using the US Military (US Army Corps of Engineers) for Construction (Section 8), after the Replacement (Overthrow) of Saddam Hussein Regime (Section 7) as accomplished by Section 4..

ONCE AGAIN SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU DON'T KNOW. REFUSE TO EVEN DO THE BASIC RESEARCH. ATTEMPT TO DEFEND THE UNDEFENDABLE (GUILTY, President Clinton's H.R.4655).

Do you know why we keep detailed written records of everything we do? As to how I know just how much of the $97,000,000 was used (term responsible and accountable). So that we cannot be used as Politically Expedient Scapegoats or end up in a Federal Penitentiary for obeying Unlawful Orders.

While we focused in Iraq, everything was hush hush in Afganistan. Now that the Iraq war is over, its time we really know what happens in Afganistan.

No im not buying that this is just war realated, this particular base has something very disturbing about it! Besides it is begining to sound like this bases history is long and distinguished something very odd is happening!

My husband is stationed here. This is a very large base with several brigades that have deployed at an accelerated tempo over the past 10 years. Because the post medical center is large and considered to be well-equipped to handle PTSD and TBI injuries, there is a large number of soldiers being treated for those conditions here. The deployment tempo alone, combined with the sheer number of soldiers stationed here, is enough to make it seem as though there is a concentration of problems at this specific base. Add in the larger than average number of PTSD and TBI cases (in an already overtaxed health system), and therein lies the reason for the recent rash of issues here.

Momof4 yes but medical prof are also releasing people not mentaly fit for duty back into duty and it is happening at an alarming rate and too many in a short period of time are comming from those facilities that alone needs investigating! If you are injured surving your country and need to retire due to medical then you should be retired not sent back because the govt does not want to loose you since they can not find people to replace you.

This base is the worst of the worst. This is where all the dead beat soldiers are sent before they ship them off to AFGANY. I have been on countless bases in the last 10 years and for some reason your right Fiesty1, this base is worst cespool.

Tumbleweed! what the hell have you been smoking. Put down those drugs and get clean man!!!

That's it! I'm getting the pig! (the ones who saw RED will get it)

AZ

Didn't read any connection to drugs here.

Trying to create your own news?

Bet you can get a job with the National Enquirer.

Where does it say anything about drugs? He is an Army officer and LT. COL. at that. Couldn't have passed all those drug tests and get to this rank if he was on drugs.

The Army hands out drugs like candy. If you are depressed..here is a pill. If you back hurts...here is a pill. You see, it is all about the numbers. No doc is going to sit and talk to his patients. They simply cannot. The doc will just write the script. The doctors in the Army have to produce numbers now. It is all about money. There is so much pressure to make the books look good. Each Army hospital gets a budget. The more patients you see the more money comes to the hospital. That does not mean the patients get better health care. That just means the hospital commands can purchase more big screen TVs and get even more office furniture for the bloated administration in each and every US Army Hospital.

Army Wife: I'm glad to see someone smart enough to get it.

I was stationed there once and there were so many soldiers even then with problems, I'm not really surprised by a lot of this. The D.C. Sniper was from this base as well - We had a Sgt charged with distribution of crack cocaine on the base! You are drug tested so much, we used to call it the "lucky lotto".

Between the fights, murders, assaults, rapes and drunk driving accidents you felt like you were at war on your own base.

I even knew soldiers that were married to several people at one time - some brought wife number two or three from overseas - the Army did not catch those little errors either.

I'm almost afraid for them to get to the bottom of this - maybe I should check my DD-214 and black out anything that say's Ft Lewis, WA., along with my son's birth certificate that has Madigan Army Medical Center on it.

This is really a shame. I know that one soldiers actions should not be a black eye on the entire Army but darn - this has come close.

The problem is Karol that this is the second time some did something stupid while being an officer, had too many tours, and did not get the proper psych evalulation that came from this base. But, I guess, third time is the charm.

Wasn't it the Marines who urinated on the corpses and used a flag similar to the Nazi SS flag? I support Marines and all military but I gotta get my fellow Army soldiers back on this one.

The SEALS are all we got, but I guess someone can make the case that they made an illegal entry to Pakistan to takeout OBL. But, still, I will always support them.

Gee an human did something awful therefore all humans are awful.

A male hits his wife therefore all males are abusers.

A Muslim blows up a building therefore all Muslims are terrorists.

A mother killed her kids therefore all mothers kill their kids.

Great connection folks.

Millions serve, and have served, a few bad seeds somehow makes everyone worthless.

You might want to really think through your thought process.

I here tell smelling Rosemary might help brain function.

Phenomenal112 The SEALS are all we got, but I guess someone can make the case that they made an illegal entry to Pakistan to takeout OBL. But, still, I will always support them.

It is USN SEALs not SEALS. And since you do not know it was not just USNSWDG; but, also US Army 160th SOAR, US Army SF (Det 1), CIA SAD/SOG, Redacted, USMC Redacted, USAF Redacted, Redacted, etc.. With General Redacted being the On Scene Commander (Responsible). Supported Stateside by Admiral Redacted. Intelligence from the CIA from Director Redacted. Wait about 20 years to get the Mission Videos and Video Conferences thru the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA).

Just wait, there are more to come home.

After what, 10 years of War, some of these folks won't be ready for Civilian Contact if ever.

There are other costs for deciding to go to War besides the Bullets and Butter and the costs on some of these troops willl be a lifetime.

And to Think, Congress is on the Verge of Gutting their Medical Care while the BANKSTERS roam free.

http://www.naus.org/documents/NAUS_SenMcCain_Ltr_16Nov11.pdf

Not to mention, they have to deal with adjusting to civilian life when they come back. From what I hear from the news, its actually very hard for them to find skilled jobs once they come home. Bring them home, so, they can adjust sooner than later.

its actually very hard for them to find skilled jobs once they come home. Bring them home, so, they can adjust sooner than later.

Is there some kind of job surplus going on right now?

No but there is also military discrimination.

No but there is also military discrimination.

I have never heard of that.

I just think the jobs are scarce, if you can't find a job you start to make excuses, when you really don't need to.

People that know people are going to get the nod, and people with experience to a degree. The people that are discriminated against are the older, experienced workers.

Different reasons why, some younger managers don't feel comfortable managing an older person.

Older people are likely to have more medical needs, causing insurance rates to go up.

Some older people are stuck in their ways and not willing to adapt.

Many older people aren't physically, or mentally as capable as they were.

But......I don't know of any reason for military prejudice, and have never heard of it.

I'm 60.

This is just my opinion, but I think its too easy to join the army. I think we need to up our standards in our military. I know it is called a service, but, still, I think it would be better if they hired people who are more qualified not only physically, but mentally as well. Then incidents like these would happen a lot less. That's just my opinion.

Since the wars started we have now made it much more difficult to get in.

The Army is turning away people that could have gotten in just a couple of years ago.

It could never be as big as the empty space between your ears.

I agree with you on that, that "Any One" can join the military. But, if the government really wanted killers and the ability to shoot anybody anytime, all they have to do is get some of the prisoners in our prisons, and give them a reduced sentence for serving in the military. But, then we will loose all the integrity in our armed forces as we are losing them now.

Nope not anymore. The screening process is actually pretty tough.

Agreed JOregon, used to you could get a waiver on almost anything that would have kept you out of the military. Now it's very selective and many incentives are gone the biggest of which is the majority of signing bonuses. Soldiers who have enough years in service to retire are being encouraged to retire and selective retention interviews are common. Service members are being actively processed out over what used to be minor medical issues also. The military in general has become very tech oriented in the past few years and the selection process is going to get tougher. It's going to require higher and higher degrees of education just to be a grunt.

This is what happens when the military lowers its admission requirements

Although it probably won't be for much longer, he is a lieutenant colonel which means that he would have about 18 years of service under his belt. Looks like your concern is a bit too late.

jcr-1779109

Reading these comments makes me afraid that you all are allowed to multiply. And the ones blaming Bush and Chaney for this jeez that bus pulled out already.

Who are you talking about jrc? Who is, "you all"? The bloggers on here? The military? If you are referring to The fine, outspoken and highly opinionated folks on Newsvine then guess what, you are one of, "you all", and maybe you shouldn't multiply. Judging by you lack respect for the English language, I vote you have your procreation rights revoked. If, "you all" is in reference to the military, think about what percentage of the population volunteers for service. If "we", didn't multiply there wouldn't be any one to worry about going off because only a very small fraction of the population has the ability or the courage to do what we do. If some wing nut wants to blame Obama or Bush or Reagan then so be it. We will go forth and multiply and defend your right to tell others they should not multiply.

"Ability and Courage" More like Desperation!

I'm guessing you're a Lib and I'm a Repub but that was well put. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but, he is an officer and should have a higher level of integrity. I have higher expectations of officers because they run the military, and tell the young guys what to do. If they, themselves, have psychological issues, corruption etc. Then I worry about the guys working under them.

That's all true and all happening in the Army to crank dicipline, but, what I don't get is, what does orders, drill sargents, and IEDs have anything to do with him placing a hit on his wife?

Or he could have taken her hunting with Cheney, and he would have shot her for free.

I'm tired of people like you insulting Cheney.