San Diego man taking his loincloth to federal court

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Will Walters says he was wrongly arrested during the San Diego LGBT Pride festival in July.

The man who was arrested during last summer's Pride festival in Balboa Park for public nudity is taking his case to federal court.

Will Walters, 30, says he was just expressing his fashion-sense during the San Diego LGBT Pride festival in July. A San Diego police officer made the arrest.

He insists that his leather outfit, featuring a loincloth getup over thong underwear, completely covered his genitals. He also claims he was mistreated in jail.

The case was never prosecuted, and the city rejected Walters' claim last month, according to Walters' attorney Chris Morris. Now, Walters will sue the federal court, saying the arrest "violated his rights under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment," according to Courthouse News Service.

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The suit has been filed in the Southern District Federal Court in San Diego.

A local man filed a complaint against the city after a police officer arrested him at a Pride parade for public nudity. A police officer who encountered Walters at the beer garden apparently thought the display bordered on illegality.

"He said I needed to sign this citation or I was going to jail," Walters recalled in a Dec. 2011 interview with NBC San Diego.

"I said, 'Well, you're going to have to take me to jail, because I'm never going to sign something I'm not allowed to read,’” he said. “All I wanted to know was, how can I correct a problem, and what's the problem? And the problem was presented to me, and I said, 'that’s ridiculous.'"

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Walters wound up spending 12 hours behind bars after being removed from the Pride event by several officers, and taken to the Central Jail -- where, he says, even the booking deputy was amazed that he'd been cited for nudity.

Morris saw the arrest as selective enforcement of a kind that's never been applied to beachwear seen at other events where crowds flash a lot of skin, he said in December.

"Our main goal in filing the claim was to bring change to the city and its policies," Morris said on Tuesday. "That change is just not going to happen without court supervision."

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I am thinking the same thing about airports and TSA. If Hindus, Arabs and others can wear their native clothes without being harassed, then why can't I invoke my American Indian ancestors? Check in with a loin cloth and piece of rope for a belt. You want me to take off my belt, Kemo Sabe? Nooo Problemo! Enough of this TSA thugs having all the fun!

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#1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

Hey, God even permitted nudity but we aren't even talking nudity here. The guy was wearing more than the gals in their skimpy bikini. Who comes up with all these rules?

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#1.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

This guy is doing the same thing as millions of women do on Halloween dressing like a whore. but if you can't see his junk then its fine after all it was a gay pride parade not a courtroom

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#1.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

But if he just signed the citation (which isn't an admission of guilt) then he wouldn't have gone to jail. The citation just says he agrees to show up in court and let the judge (or jury sometimes) decide. I'm like the above posters if it aint flopping it aint showing.

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#1.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

The handsome young gentleman pictured is far more covered up than the overweight old farts in psuedo-Speedos who grace the pool at my condo complex. Their hairy guts spill over, and worse yet, their hairy arses are exposed when they bend over. ICK. No, I'm not being ageist, I'm 70 and, alas, I seen a lot of ugly flesh in my time. This rant also includes women who stuff their out of shape shapes into swinsuits and shorts intended for their granddaughters. The downside of Summer. Seriously people, a trip through the Land's End catalogue could help YOU make America more beautiful. oh well.

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#1.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:57 AM EDT

The proper term for this is "selective enforcement." It was apparent that he was not arrested for what he was doing, but rather for who he was and the function he was enjoying. This tells you a great deal more about the sexuality of the arresting officer than the "criminal."

The military, law enforcement, politics, and major league sports all have one common psychological thread in common. They all have about double the percentage of gays and bisexuals than the general population. This is not because gays like to hang around with the guys, but because before puberty they realize that they are "different" even though they don't even have any real sexuality at that point. So these young men tend to overcompensate by focusing on "macho" activities --- such as military, cops, and sports --- and some become very good at it. Part of the macho attraction to the military and law enforcement is the ability to carry a weapon.

Very few gays in these macho professions even realize what is going on. They will always cite that they always wanted to be a soldier/cop/basketball player for as long as they can remember. But they have forced themselves into a mode where they demonstrate how not-gay they are as often as possible. It can be like the former Sen Craig and take the form of sponsoring huge amounts of anti-gay legislation, or it can be in the form of a service member who becomes a caricature of a soldier, or it can be a cop who is "hard on gays" (pun intended.) How better for a cop with insecurity about his own sexuality to demonstrate his "straightness" than by making this sort of arrest?

It has always interested me that registered concealed gun carriers have something in common ---- they average three full inches shorter than the general population. (There is very little information on a concealed carry permit but height and weight are among them.) A friend who is a PhD psychologist refers to handguns as "penis extenders."

In this partiucular situation, I would have the cop be given a thorough psychological screening and appropriate counseling based on the findings. If anything forensic is found, then the cop should be cashiered or given a non-enforcement desk job. But at a minimum, just counseling that singling out gays for this sort of bogus arrest would indicate to many people that he is well down the continuum to being gay himself. Confident straight men simply do not feel threatened by gays. It is only those who are insecure in their own sexuality who do this sort of thing.

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#1.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:19 PM EDT
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There is a difference here, he wasnt doing this because of culture. He was doing tit to make a statement and its discusting if you ask me. Children shouldnt have to see that in public, men or women. Why cant gay people just act normal, how much more do they need?

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#1.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

define normal...

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#1.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

Chris-749391: "It has always interested me that registered concealed gun carriers have something in common ---- they average three full inches shorter than the general population."

Are you talking about height, or something else?

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#1.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

Shirt and pants!!!! would be a good start!!!

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#1.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:50 PM EDT

I guess my point is, If your a man, act like one. And if your a women, act like one!...If your a gay man why act like a women? it kinda defeats the purpose! Do you wanna be gay,or do you want to be a women? And as a human, you should respect those around you especially people who have children!!......Hence, "Normal"!

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#1.10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

You know Troy (comment #1.6), I agree with you 'to a degree'. But what is NORMAL? It was after all a pride event in which creative outfits are celebrated. Look at how some NORMAL slobs are dressed when they go to WALMART; apparently THEY are NORMAL. And yes a 1930's-style circus could find many freaks and 'fat lady' attractions in a standard crowd on a lazy slow Tuesday afternoon...

I have seen 'disgusting' (from slovenly sloppy to sweaty ass-crack-vulgar) at both pride events and in 'NORMAL' anytown America. But this guy doesn't fit the label either way you twist it.

But if you are 'worried' about 'gays acting normal'; don't be! Unless they are silly queens on LOBO flaunting their 'A-list'-attitudes, you'd never know the majority who don't wear loin-clothes for Halloween or 'pride' or amuse or confuse you with their 'ways'... they'll be wearing shirts and pants and hardly 'act like a woman'... or like an obnoxious, ugly woman as a few do...

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#1.11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

Clearly the police and court systems int his country have nothing more important to worry about. I'm glad that violent crime has been completely eradicated and we can now move on to the dire and pressing matter of a guy dancing naked in the street and not hurting anybody.

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#1.12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

"...They all have about double the percentage of gays and bisexuals than the general population..."

Hogwash. As are the rest of your assumptions.

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#1.13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:05 PM EDT

I dont hate any one! But i do not condone Homosexuality at all. But i do respect people. I dont think we should change our god given founding laws, but hating them, changes nothing! I just want them to not push there agenda in this country. There are countries that except this, so go there if you want to. This is not a culture, its a chosen way of life. SO keep it private and just be normal neighbors without having to make such a statement that draws negative attention! ......Dont cover yourself in seal blood and swim naked around seal island, and then wonder why your getting eaten by a shark!

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#1.14 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:12 PM EDT

Smeagol.....I dont mean to be contradicting, but its not hard at all to pick out the homosexuals in a room. but there is always an exception to the rule, i understand that! But, for the most part, its obvious!

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#1.15 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:17 PM EDT

No one needs you to condone anything, Troy.

Our laws are not "god-given" and your personal preferences are irrelevant. The man was cited for public nudity when he was wearing more than many young teen girls at the average mall. This officer would never have arrested a young woman in a bikini.

No one cares about your opinions on the gay community. No one needs to keep anything private, either. Do you hold your girlfriend's hand in public? Why don't YOU keep that private? He is entitled to the same rights that we are. As for covering himself in seal-blood... well, he was surrounded by HIS peers; the officer was the one out of his element, here. And this young man wasn't eaten by a shark; he was arrested by a homophobic big0t (dang filters!). I'm not surprised you agree with the officer.

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#1.16 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:26 PM EDT

ABIGAiL All our founding laws are IN FACT from the bible!!!! Everyone knows this. I was just making my stand on what i believe and i have a right to do that, and it doesnt make me a" bigot!" I believe what that MAN was wearing in public, is wrong! regardless of his preference and regardless of what the officers intention was. And im married to a women! and holding her hand does not attract negative attention! But if we were dressed like that guy was, it would certainly attract all sorts of attention. And this was in public and in no way,"his own element! Your probably gay, so i dont expect you to agree with my statement, or your an atheist! But im not gonna bash you for either or. You believe what you want and i will do the same. And for the record: Im not a "bigot" and im not a, "homophobe"! And i hate NO ONE! But i have the right to disagree in love. I mean, did you expect everyone to agree hear? lol not gonna happen!

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#1.17 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

Cub T, I agree with you. There is so much Nature (God) has given us freely but man screws it all up with our greed and self righteousness. Laws applied through the eyes of bigots will always come out skewed. How about all the women in bikinis. Why not cart them off to jail as well. Laws are based in Universal Truths and not dogma, personal wishes, or beliefs. Judgement (bigotry) can ONLY be in the eye of the beholder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

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#1.18 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

...took awhile to get around to the bible, didn't it, Troy? The real point emerges, at last. People should all act like christians, not gay atheists.

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#1.19 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:20 PM EDT

What about breast feeding women. How is this cop going to apply the law on that one. This cop needs 365 days with a shrink.

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#1.20 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:26 PM EDT

Sorry Troy. If you think it is ok for you to hold hands with your wife, but not ok for two guys or girls to hold hands, you are a bigot. Definition of the word bigot: "A person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." You are entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to force your religious beliefs on others. There are many Christians who do not agree with you, so don't assume to speak for all Christians.

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#1.21 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

At the risk of fanning the flames so to speak... Troy, your statement:

This is not a culture, its a chosen way of life.

Can be taken as, and it logically leads to, "I am really attracted to members of my same sex, but I choose to date the opposite". If homosexuality is a choice, then it implies that you are equally attracted to both sexes (at best), or denying who you are because of culture (at worst).

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#1.22 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:00 PM EDT

If they're going to arrest this guy, might as well arrest all the girls during halloween.

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#1.23 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:05 PM EDT

Nobody would even Blink at that in NYC.

    #1.24 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

    Google "Mardis Gras San Diego" and look at some of the pics. I wonder if those girls were arrested for flashing their ta-tas.

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    #1.25 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:24 PM EDT

    jjj, exactly, how about that underwear cowboy in NY.

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    #1.26 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

    SORRY GTY.....I would be a bigot if i said it was Okay to be Gay, but you cant hold hands! I dont agree with homosexuality, that does not make anyone a "bigot" People who have conflicting standards are bigots, i dont agree with any Homosexual activity period. But if your gonna do it, be respectful to the people around you thats all. And what that guy was wearing is over doing it with no respect for people around him. Thats what i believe and thats it. In no way, shape or form, does that make me a bigot.

    And YES you will get arrested in Madi Gras if you get caught flashing your "ta-tas"

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    #1.27 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

    A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious belief or spirituality, political alignment, nationality, language, sexual orientation, and age; and to those from a different region, with non-normative gender identity, those who are homeless, and those with various medical disorders, particularly behavioural and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

    Devoted to an opinion and not conflicted by differing 'standards' (opinion) which would be hypocrisy.

    Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.[1]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

    No disrespect meant. I had to look it up and decided to share my findings. Peace.

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    #1.28 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

    Read the definition again, Troy. I especially like Peter Jacobs' definition. You sound pretty intolerant of people who you consider "not normal."

    Have you been to a Mardis Gras event where women flash their ta-tas? I have, and even with police around the women were not arrested. That was in New Orleans. I can't speak to the Mardis Gras event in San Diego. But you know what, people expect flashing chicks during Mardis Gras. And people expect to see dudes in thongs at Gay Pride events. Don't like it? Don't go.

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    #1.29 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

    SANDIEGO WROTE...took awhile to get around to the bible, didn't it, Troy? The real point emerges, at last. People should all act like christians, not gay atheists.

    SO i guess YOUR real point emerges! People should all act like Gay Athiests and not Christians!.........Im not trying to change you, but i will comment according to my own beliefs, just like you are! you say its right and i say its wrong......Grow up and deal with it! Because there will be opposition no matter where you live and what you believe for the rest of your life.

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    #1.30 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

    Troy - I don't think San Diego is saying everyone should act like gay atheists. That would be intolerant and bigoted. I believe he/she is pointing out that your are trying to force others to live as you think they should. See the difference? I might disagree with you, but I am not intolerant of your beliefs. I am not trying to change the way you live your life.

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    #1.31 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:23 PM EDT

    Perfect PETE! ........I have NO hostility and nor do i have any animosity toward Gays.....As i said previously " I hate no-one" I love all people, but i do not have to agree with what there doing! QUOTE ME where i had attacked gays for what they are...... You wont find it here. I dont agree with all my childrens decisions but i dont hate them for it either. BUT if you read back, people are lashing out at me for what i believe, But im still the BIGOT?????

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    #1.32 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

    Troy says: "QUOTE ME where i had attacked gays for what they are...... You wont find it here."

    -Why can't day people act normal?

    -Do you want to be gay or do you want to be a woman?

    Implying that a gay man would want to be a woman is pretty offensive. A man wearing a thong does not make him a woman - nor gay for that matter. You say you love ALL people. I have not heard you say anything that supports that you love gay people. There's an old saying: "What you are speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you are saying."

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    #1.33 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

    GTy....where do you see im trying to change anyone??????? Im just speaking on what i believe is right. If you say i cant do this, then your the BIGOT!!!! ......There is an obvious opposition here, and im not going to agree if i dont agree. Im not calling anyone names nor am i hating anyone. As a matter of fact, im saying quite the contrary. But in this case of this article, i believe this guy was out of line. But that doesnt mean i hate him and it doesnt mean i totally agree with the cop. What this means to me is the cop was right, but didnt act according to our "NEW LAWS AND STANDARDS" as a country. SO i say chalk it up for a mistake and carry on. But i also believe we are lost when it comes to morals in this country as a whole. (MY OPINION) and the worse it gets the harder it will be to handle for people like my self, so dont be surprised if i dont like it.

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    #1.34 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

    Those are questions GTy Im sorry you were offended but it wasnt my intent! And who are you, to say what Im implying????? Its a legitimate question on"why they act like women?" To me, If your a man that likes men, then why act like a women? NO offence, but thats a good question. I still dont see an attack!

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    #1.35 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

    Troy asked, "Where did you say I am not trying to change anyone?" You said you want gays to act normal. You said you don't want them to hold hands. You said you don't want them wearing a loin cloth to a gay pride event. THAT is trying change someone. As I stated previously, you are entitled to disagree with the lifestyle. So, don't engage in gay activity...it's clearly not for you. Otherwise - just let people be. THAT is tolerance and shows that you love all people. Trying to change them does not.

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    #1.36 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

    Yes, I have been to madi gras, and hundreds of people every year get arrested for indecent exposure at MARDI GRAS, because its still a law in louisiana and Cali. Look it up! 311 people were arrested in Mardi Gras in 2011 108 were indecent exposure. of the 108, 90 were women!.....so check your facts first before you contradict someone

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    #1.37 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

    Alright I am done here. It's been fun, but exhausting. My final message? Learn to truly love others. I love you (and not in a gay way ;) ), and hope you live your life in a way that best works for you. I hope you learn do the same for others. Peace out.

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    #1.38 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

    Im saying im not trying to change your orientation or beliefs but YOU SHOULD also have respect for others! You misquoted me constantly! I said "why dont they act normal"? thats a question not a statement! When did i say i dont wont them to hold hands????? I gave a specific scenario! COPY AND PAST without adding your words!!!!! As long as this affects how my children are being brought up and what there exposed to while im not around, i will always have a say. Im fighting for what i believe is right just like you!

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    #1.39 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

    whats ina name wrote

    At the risk of fanning the flames so to speak... Troy, your statement:

    "This is not a culture, its a chosen way of life"

    Can be taken as, and it logically leads to, "I am really attracted to members of my same sex, but I choose to date the opposite". If homosexuality is a choice, then it implies that you are equally attracted to both sexes (at best), or denying who you are because of culture (at worst).

    What are you saying?????? Your Obama talking here! There are Gays in every culture!!!! I think what your trying to say is, That being gay isnt a choice, but i believe being Human isnt a choice! And being a dog isnt a choice, and being a bird isnt a choice. But you can choose to be Gay if you want to. And not everything that feels good to you is right. But I love bacon cheeseburgers, but they are not good for me! But i must choose! Man doesnt decide what is right, they only choose!

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    #1.40 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

    Troy, Thanks for your civility. Civil discussion is a basis for intelligence and conscience to grow. You bring up some good questions. Unfortunately many times my words come up short for my complex thoughts and even more so for my heart. Unfortunately in this World humans tend to judge themselves based on their intentions while judging others on their acts. I am a happily married man, twice, and have three sons. One from the previous and two with my current and beautiful wife. This is what I have been able to muddle through and come up with in my 47 years of life. I do not feel good inside when I judge people or things. I feel bad because it divides my mind into good and bad. The bad is automatically shut out and I miss out on the value that this person could have brought into my life. If I am tolerant, non judgmental and accepting of others then I leave all channels open for life to happen not only in the present but also in the future, which is unwritten. I am a Christian in that I accept Jesus as a prime example of honest and practical living. All I need are His words and the ten commandments to guide and keep me on the straight and narrow. Religion and the rest is just stuffing. No more and no less. Honesty, with myself and others, is necessary to assure my happiness when my conscience calls upon me to balance the books. All I have to do is keep my side of the street clean. That in and of itself is a huge task let alone raise my boys in this angry and corrupt World I see and live amongst. It is difficult not to judge even as I call this World angry and corrupt it separates my mind into good and bad and loving becomes difficult. Love is the only power in the Universe that has no opposite. It just is. Once again, thanks for your conversation and I do understand what you are trying to say but not necessarily agree.

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    #1.41 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

    your wlcm Peter, thank you for the kind words and for your civil opposition. Im no judge of the spirit or the soul. But i will judge a man by his fruits ( if it looks, tastes, smells like an orange its probably an orange). To follow the laws of God and obey his commandments is not easy at all, BUT i will never compromise for the sack of "politically correct". And if you have read the Bible, you know tough love is a characteristic of God. lol So sometimes people just need to hear the truth weather it offends them or not, as long as your intent is, not to offend. Its important to plant that seed out of love!

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    #1.42 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

    That is where we differ Troy. I do not believe the bible to be from God but from the hands of man in order for an emperor to unite his people, in faith, then politically, and finally economically. I have read and tried to study many religious texts from many cultures through the years and was able to come up with common threads amongst them. They all teach to forget separation and believe in what is whole, unity if you will, a return from the mind to the heart. Of which I say the ten commandments make me feel right with myself when I practice them in my daily life. Religion tends to make me feel as though there can be no personal relationship with my heart, the source of love, unity. It isn't about what is politically or morally correct as to being gay. The issue, the article, here is about clothing, the rules, and how they are interpreted and applied by bigotry. I am sorry but this police officer did not apply neither common sense nor a balanced sense of law. In my opinion he tried to apply what he thought was the law through bigoted eyes and it came out wrong. In court this will be thrown out.

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    #1.43 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:19 PM EDT

    So Peter what you are suggesting that 44 authors in 66 books 1500 years apart agreed on everything and created the Manual of life that has no contradictions and yousay thats just man??? We cant even get 2 men to agree in here and now!?????? Man cant do that by nature! and if every man was just simply follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS alone, the world would be perfect! Man could not have had a hand in that! The Bible predicts the future and the Old Testament predicts the new Testament. And is the Only book to have an explanation to many unexplained things. I have a bible from 1786 and it matches word for word from my 2010 bible! In the natural, no other book has been able to repeat itself even after 1 year. Man would have destroyed it many years ago if it were not true! And i have to say with no offence, how can you call yourself a christian and not believe in his word? You cant have one without the other!

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    #1.44 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:47 PM EDT

    TROY-THE BIBLE CONTAINS THOUSANDS OF CONTRADICTIONS-JUST GOOGLE BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS-DUH-you dotn really think that God, at one time, ordered women to marry their rapists in Deutornomy do you? thats absurd and imbecilic thinking-didnt know that was in there, did you? silly sheep

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    #1.45 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

    Troy-you do not have a bible from 1786 that matches a bible printed two years ago-thats impossible-the word homosexuality wasnt even invented until the 1800s-what does it state in the 1786 version? please advise

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    #1.46 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

    Troy, I like our conversation. I just think that things should be simple and that 'organized religion' tends to complicate things.

    When a bit younger and dealing three times with cancer, last time at age 28, I had to set out to find something that would be practical and applicable in daily life in order to increase health, happiness, hope, health, and spirituality. It is also when I set out to research several religions of the World to see if there was something I could do at the spiritual level to heal my physical affliction because certainly modern medicine, religion and church weren't holding the answers I needed. The best solution I found was the Christ mind which is the reason I consider myself a Christian. We also have Jewish in our family veins but I digress.

    Rather than choosing to believe that God wrote a book, one book, I chose instead to believe that intelligent men got together to write down their life's experiences to pass on for the next generations. I dare say that there are more than 44 authors and 66 books in the history of men and women writing about God. The Hindus, the Tao, Buddhism, etc, and not just the Christian bible. History also shows us that an astute politician and emperor Constantine took these 66 powerful works and organized them into what we know today as the New Testament for political reasons and shepherded (authority or authorized) the Roman Church in order to control the masses. Important books like the Gospel of Mary Magdalene were tossed out by the council of Nicaea because it tended to teach an individual relationship with God and not one with a central governing body like the RCC. There are bibles in this World older than the Christian bible.

    God is in my heart and my personal relationship with it. You know the lion laying down with the lamb (or was it a wolf, I forget the entire quote). It is when we take our divided minds back to our hearts and find unity and peace. Mind being lion or divided force and lamb being the heart or source of spiritual power if you will. It is from that source of peace and stillness of the mind that I found healing and happiness. Again, practical daily living. Today, at age 47 ,I have three children and doing well in life and with no cancer. The fruits of my labor seem to have worked for me.

    Let the one without sin be the first to cast. Tolerance. Do not kill. Turn the other cheek, etc. Difficult to practice but powerful in results. Simple and practical results which rests a divided mind and brings you back to what really matters. Heart. Universal Truth with capital T. Like I said, the rest is just stuffing. Christianity does not have a monopoly on Universal Truths.

    I find myself more attracted to Gnosticism, esoteric or intuitive knowledge.

    "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. John 14:12 We do this all the time. We copy one another all the time. Intuitive. We seem to have forgotten our healing capabilities which can be accomplished through spiritual recycling. The rcc calls it confession.

    Finally my favorite, Corinthians 13. Again, all written by mere men describing Universal Truths, esoteric to the mind and intuitive for the heart.

    Religion is not the source of salvation but merely a language to describe it and Christianity certainly does not have a monopoly on it. It is a birth right for all men regardless of religion.

    • 1 vote
    #1.47 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:39 PM EDT

    Hey NORMAN read Lev 18:22 its one of the oldest books in the bible! Then come talk to me! And Show me one contradiction and ill prove you wrong!

    • 1 vote
    #1.48 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:49 PM EDT

    ANd dont forget Romans 1:27 and Lev 2:13

      #1.49 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:53 PM EDT

      And Deuteronomy says the complete oposite about rape! Try 22:25-27 Its a death penalty before Christ! So again read for yourself and stop listening to others NORM!

        #1.50 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:01 PM EDT

        Correction to Lev 2;13, its 20:13.....And for Peter, ill pray for you and you should read Hosea 4:6 and i hope this helps you understand where im comming from! But i love you anyways! great talking with ya.

          #1.51 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:02 PM EDT

          PETE also try Math 4:4. Math 13:19-13:23-(Math 24:35<--very important one!) John 1:14 John 5:47 (Romans 10:17 very important one too!)....I can do this all night but that should do!

          • 1 vote
          #1.52 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:19 PM EDT

          And im asking politely, for people to quote directly from the Bible on where these "contradictions" are. Dont give me here-say or your opinion, just Book, then chapter, then verse! Other wise its a waste of time!

          • 1 vote
          #1.53 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:31 PM EDT

          And BTW PETE i do NOT claim to be religious! Christianity is a way of life not a religion! Jesus was killed because of religion by his own people And its what Jesus preached against!! Its because he new it and it was his destiny, is what made his blood and death powerful to redeem man from certain spiritual death.

          • 1 vote
          #1.54 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:45 PM EDT

          OK Troy, lets make it simpler. You say that homosexuality if a lifestyle choice. That implies that you choose to be heterosexual, even if your basic attractions are to member of your same sex, or to both. Is that simple enough?

          It is possible that there are some homosexuals by choice. But I'd say that is a @!$%#ty choice to make just because they would have to deal with all the hate that comes from the crazies out there, especially from so-called "Christians"; which may say they follow Jesus, but they are anything but Christ-like.

            #1.55 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:57 PM EDT

            The word of GOD will always be final authority no matter what man tries to change. But unfortunately Even the very elect will be deceived (MATH 24:24) And many are called and few are chosen (MATH 20:16.) Again i say "Man doesn't decide what is right, they only choose!" .....I pray for Gods Mercy and Grace for all!

              #1.56 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:58 PM EDT

              Whats ina name....Im a man and i choose to obey what is natural and is of Gods intent for man A mans body fits into a womans naturaly but not a man into a man. And i agree with you, some people call themselves "Christians" that are not. I dont care what you try to label me as, I only am concerned with God's Judgment. And that in-tails my works. It says to be doers of the word not hearers only (James 1:22) And i hate NO-ONE! I love them by telling them the truth!

              • 1 vote
              #1.57 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:09 PM EDT

              The bible clearly states that i will be persecuted for what im saying, If they persecuted Jesus Then they will persecute me too! (Mathew 5:11-12)

                #1.58 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:18 PM EDT

                And BTW PETE i do NOT claim to be religious! Christianity is a way of life not a religion! Jesus was killed because of religion by his own people And its what Jesus preached against!! Its because he new it and it was his destiny, is what made his blood and death powerful to redeem man from certain spiritual death.

                Troy, I got a feeling we are describing the same thing. Send you a friend request BTW. I might learn something. Thanks for the tips. I will read them.

                • 1 vote
                #1.59 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:37 AM EDT

                Im a man and i choose to obey what is natural and is of Gods intent for man A mans body fits into a womans naturaly but not a man into a man.

                Now that I see as a better stance. If you say it is not the intended use for procreation purposes, I can do nothing but agree. I am simply criticizing the idea of choice. If you look at members of your same sex and your first subconscious thought is "I want a piece of that", that is not a choice.

                I've also seen that supposed "choice" destroy people, not just the ones making the choice, but also the ones whose future revolves around it. And I can't support a cause that wants people to make a choice that will lead to an entire existence based on lies and unhappiness sometimes leading to suicide.

                And BTW, I was not attacking you or your Christianity. Just making a general statement about the ones that make themselves to be, but aren't. The Bible warns of false prophets; and of those, there are more than plenty.

                • 2 votes
                #1.60 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:45 AM EDT
                Reply

                this arrest makes no sense. i've personally seen gavin newsome marching alongside people who were marching naked in the pride parade in SF. something else must have provoked this arrest.

                • 17 votes
                #2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

                And that something else was a typical cop power trip.

                • 24 votes
                #2.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

                public nudity is not illegal in San Francisco as long as there is no sexual activity (or erection!)

                • 6 votes
                #2.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:47 AM EDT
                Comment author avatarBill1488Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                It is people like this that make me sick suing for BS this is not a violation of your constitutional rights; a violation like that would be the president killing you just because you are a suspected terrorist. now that is a violation of all kinds of constitutional right why isn't anyone talking about that. Instead of all the BS court cases. YES Obama killed a American without a court case all of his civil right where taken because he was THOUGHT to be a terrorist.

                • 2 votes
                #2.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

                Bill, just because there are other atrocities in the world doesn't mean that anyone with a less serious violation isn't allowed to speak up for him or herself. CRY about it.

                And it IS a violation of his constitutional rights. I mean, it directly speaks to your claim, if someone can be arrested for wearing what is really a bathing suit, imagine what else the govt can use to imprison someone.

                • 15 votes
                #2.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:29 AM EDT

                No Sir; Obama killed a citizen activly engaged in treason against our nation, who had fled to avoid any chance of prosecution, while continueing to publicly engage in a treasonist activity.

                So how about you try to stay on topic instead of pizz'n in the wind.

                • 11 votes
                #2.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

                Bill...You are a idiot.

                • 15 votes
                #2.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

                Bill1488 - You sound like a chicken with its head cut off (you may also work on your punctuation a bit). I don't see anything wrong with what the guy was wearing and agree with Kevin: nothing but a cop power trip. I've seen women wear much less--I bet you wouldn't scream about that. The guy looks mighty fine to me.

                • 20 votes
                #2.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

                Have to agree with you S. I hate all the BS lawsuits out there because someone was "offended". Here, unless there is some part of the story missing, the guy was arrested for who he was and not for what he was wearing. In that circumstance, if the city doesn't take ownership, then the only way to make them realize the error of their way is to hit them with a lawsuit.

                • 8 votes
                #2.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

                Bill, get it together and know your FACTS before you speak. This arrest was BS in its finest form. However I also hate that people sue for any ole reason, but for the most pasrt when it comes to certain governing agencies the only way to get them to except their flaws and acknowledge they were wrong is thru a law suirt. SO GOOD LUCK TO THIS MAN....

                • 5 votes
                #2.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:01 PM EDT

                As a former Police Officer, yea, there were probably other reasons for the arrest like Will Walters attitude and mouth. Peoples mouths get them arrested. Just keep quiet.

                Being arrested is not a reason to sue. Take your day in court. It is NOT false arrest to be arrested when you are not guilty. Look up the definition, waaaay to hard to explain here.

                If you don't want your kids exposed to this type of behavior, don't take them there.

                • 1 vote
                #2.10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:38 PM EDT

                Good point, Paul. If people don't want law enforcement harassing them, they need to show proper respect! Don't speak out of turn, refer to LE as 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' at all times, lie down when told, sign what you're told to sign, get back in the line, shut up, salute the badge, respect your superiors...

                Sounds like a fantastic plan to me. Sure wish I could demand respect from people and make their life difficult when they don't give it to me!

                You state very eloquently why I despise law enforcement. Who needs to make a case against abuse of authority when folks like you do it for the rest of us?

                • 1 vote
                #2.11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:28 PM EDT

                Paul-1820470, you prove my point about cops and power trips. We can say whatever we want to a cop. It is called the "First Amendment". Too bad if you don't like it.

                I don't care what he said, the guy was arrested for "public nudity", and the cop was just too stupid to follow the law. He was arrested for something patently false. This is EXACTLY why you sue.

                Yet another C-Student making our streets "safer".

                • 2 votes
                #2.12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

                So if a citizen does not show proper respect to a police officer it is okay for a police officer to harrass the citizen? Where is the law that mandates poeple have to show respect to police or any other citizen? Because cops have some level of authority does not give them permission to abuse their position.

                No wonder people despise cops as much as they do - arresting people for their attitude and their mouth. Paul, it sounds like you routinely ignored people freedom of expression (attitude)and freedom of speech (mouth). Try again on the not illegal to arrest somebody when they are not guilty. While EVERYBODY is entitled to the presumption of innocence, to knowingly arrest someone for non-crimes is illegal.

                • 2 votes
                #2.13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

                rockme-lies-no one was marching naked

                  #2.14 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:32 PM EDT

                  tompca-public nudity is illegal in SF-what are you talking about??

                    #2.15 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

                    Really Norman, read much? Try using Google, maybe it will help you educate yourself. Here is the top result on Google, I'm sure there are a lot more: http://blog.lawinfo.com/2011/09/09/weird-laws-nudity-legal-in-san-francisco/

                    • 1 vote
                    #2.16 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:39 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    You were wronged. Sue the hell out of them.

                    • 17 votes
                    Reply#3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                    I agree, you go boy!

                      #3.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:05 PM EDT
                      Reply

                      How ridiculous. The guy wasn't even close to being nude. The arresting officer must have had a bug in his bum about something. Maybe he was a homophobe?

                      • 26 votes
                      Reply#4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

                      Or maybe just wanted his address and phone number...

                      • 8 votes
                      #4.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

                      Or maybe he felt the man was breaking the law and did what he thought he had to do in order to do his job. Of course little boy probably helped matters along by letting his mouth run away with him. Something that will never be mentioned of course since he is a "victim".

                      • 2 votes
                      #4.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

                      ...little boy probably helped matters along by letting his mouth run away with him.

                      Hey Dick - lipping off to a cop is not illegal.

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:20 PM EDT
                      Reply

                      Wow, arrested for wearing a bathing suit. Definitely something else behind this.

                      • 13 votes
                      Reply#5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

                      Agreed! It has to do with him trying to be a martyr for the gay/lesbian agenda. He was just trying to find a way to advance the cause to the media forefront. They wanted more media attention since there wasn't much media coverage at the gay/lez event.

                        #5.1 - Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:20 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        its another step towards living in a police state.

                        • 18 votes
                        Reply#6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

                        Gee like an officer says to sign a speeding or any ticket and you say no. He says you will have your day in court but you need to sign this ticket which is a promise that you will appear in court. It has nothing to do with right or wrong. That is what the judge will decide. The officer had an opinion and you have a different opinion. If you refuse to sign the officer must take you to court and have you appear before a judge of magistrate and you then post a bond to be released instead of a signature. This is the same that happens to anyone. If you refuse to sign, you create your own issues. The officer can't find you guilty or innocent. All he had to do was sign the ticket and none of this BS would have happened. But then he would not have made national news and make it look like a Gay Bashing incident instead of what it really was. A hard headed man who refused to sign a ticket and have his day in court like everybody else who gets a ticket.

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:58 PM EDT

                        According to the guy's statement, the reason he didn't sign the ticket was that he wasn't allowed to read what he was supposed to sign. I wouldn't like signing something under that condition either. This, of course, is just from the story, who knows what else happened that hasn't been reported here.

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:27 PM EDT
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                        Sounds like maybe the arresting officer is either an uptight prude, raging homophobic facist or a jealous, closeted queer. In any case, I wish Mr. Walters every success in suing the pants off the SDPD.

                        • 24 votes
                        Reply#7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:15 AM EDT
                        Comment author avatarBurtmanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                        Put some decent clothes on. And cover your AZZ.

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

                        Do you tell women that too, when they're in skimpy bikinis?

                        • 7 votes
                        #8.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:25 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        He's gay. Which means he can, at least he thinks he can, do what ever he wants. He was trying to elicit a reaction, and he got one.

                        • 11 votes
                        Reply#9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

                        Yeah, no one in the history of the world has ever attended a beach, or gone swimming, or even wore a bathing suit. Not to mention, there isn't a single mention of him being homosexual.

                        Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people appear bright until they open their mouths.

                        • 13 votes
                        #9.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

                        People around here wear skimpier outfits than that without drawing any kind of reaction. Where do you live Joey, Burkastan?

                        • 9 votes
                        #9.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:36 AM EDT

                        A guy dressed like that at a LGBT event kreuz? Aw...never mind, it don't mean nuthin.

                        • 1 vote
                        #9.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

                        We have topless women in the beach, and during Fantasy Fest in the Keys, people of all ages are either walking around partially nude, naked with body paint, or just plain naked. If you don't like these parades, which feature LGBT crowds, then don't attend.

                        Women wear thongs to the beach all the time and so do some men, so please tell me how his outfit is somehow more offensive than a thong, or even a man wearing a Speedo which is skintight and shows EVERYTHING.

                        • 2 votes
                        #9.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:44 PM EDT

                        When does this Fantasy Fest take place? Be there in a sec...

                          #9.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

                          ...or even a man wearing a Speedo which is skintight and shows EVERYTHING.

                          Hot- I was with you until the last comment. Why is it not okay for a man to wear a skintight swimsuit but it is acceptable for a woman to wear a skintight swimsuit, both of which show EVERYTHING? I have seen bikinis that would fit a 6 y.o. on women that had already birthed 4 kids and hadn't lost any of the "baby fat", women with suits that did little to hide the "high beams", women with suits that barely covered nipples that would cut glass or at least blind a person if there was a collision, and thongs that disappeared in front and back.

                            #9.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:33 PM EDT
                            Reply

                            Wow. I see a big jury verdict here and I would reject any settlement offer under 6 figures. The cop that cited him is very dumb in my opinion.

                            • 10 votes
                            Reply#10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:19 AM EDT
                            Comment author avatarskydivrExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                            Once again, the LBGT crowd has to push the limits to further their 'cause'....

                            • 7 votes
                            Reply#11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

                            Actually straights have already push the limits by wearing skimpier clothes out all the time.

                            • 8 votes
                            #11.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:44 AM EDT

                            What cause are women in thong binikis furthering?

                            • 9 votes
                            #11.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

                            ERECTIONS!!!

                            • 2 votes
                            #11.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

                            He was wearing a thong. He was arrested at the Beer Garden. Is that a place that serves beer and food. There are laws in some places about not allowing bare buttocks on public seats where foor is served. Maybe the "boys" were showing out the back while he was walking down the street. That would be considered nudity. He could have worn shorts and his leather get-up and we still would have known he was proud to be gay. Someone who wears something like that(male or female) is trying to draw attention to themselves. And just where do all you people live to where you can say you see worse attire every day? As far as this ending quote from the article...."Our main goal in filing the claim was to bring change to the city and its policies," Morris said on Tuesday. "That change is just not going to happen without court supervision." We'll see. If that's truly how he feels, then he won't actually sue for much money. According to this they just really want the laws to change, not fill their pockets(him and his lawyer).

                              #11.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

                              Funny how the teabaggers will always try to frame these issues as "gays forcing their views on me" instead of the more accurate point that this was a clear government overreach at taxpayer expense.

                              • 1 vote
                              #11.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                              You guys act like all things are okay and we are just picking on Gays! Its all wrong in my opinion. ANd is the cause of a lot problems that exist today. DEFINITION OF BIGOT: "Whats wrong with the naked girls? As long as its not my daughter, I dont care!"

                                #11.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:04 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                As long as his private parts are covered such with a bikini underneath that loincloth, it should be fine. It should suit the environment that it's worn in such as at a parade or the beach.

                                • 8 votes
                                Reply#12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                                Well, I am uncomfortable saying this but coming from me this should mean alot. First let me say it disgusts me when a group tries to make someone's personal issue, their issue for their own agenda. This is NOT an LGBT issue. I don't personnaly support the LGBT movement however, if the LGBT community wants to be treated fairly and equally, here is a perfect opportunity by NOT making this an LGBT issue -- this is a PERSON who is wearing more than most people wear at public beaches or when they wear swim wear to other events. I, personally think the outfit is a bit odd but what happened to this PERSON .. not this "gay" (get off your self sereving mission) - what happened to this person whether straight, gay, black, white, short or tall ... was wrong and needs to be corrected.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                                That's cool & all, but there SHOULD be a further look to see why the officer thought THIS man was under-dressed enough to call it nudity. When something smells fishy or odd, why NOT look at what would be pretty obvious to some? You don't have to accuse the officer of being a homophobe but at least trace over the steps taken and the reasoning behind it to see if he was.

                                • 1 vote
                                #13.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:41 AM EDT

                                Geez, Stevie! The only people saying this is a "gay/LGBT" issue are those who seem to be opposed to both.

                                • 2 votes
                                #13.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:48 AM EDT

                                You are right and wrong Steve. The LGBT crowd isn't making this an issue. If it had been a

                                straight, black, white, short or tall arrest would people say it was a straight, black, white, short or tall issue?

                                • 2 votes
                                #13.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:22 AM EDT

                                He was covered, I honestly don't see an issue with what he was wearing.

                                  #13.4 - Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:00 AM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  When the girls are wearing two band-aids and dental floss thongs, the cops never arrest them! I can't imagine why not, can you? lol Same goes for you, Burtman. Doubt you would say the same to some babe dressed thusly: "Put some decent clothes on. And cover your AZZ.".

                                  Homophobic cops, most likely. San Diego is way more conservative than San Fran. I think Mr. Walters' ensemble is really quite fetching. [Heterosexual old lady writing here.]

                                  • 14 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:26 AM EDT

                                  Another heterosexual old lady seconds your opinion. If anybody should be allowed to wear a loincloth, it should be someone that looks like him! :-D

                                  • 9 votes
                                  #14.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                                  "When the girls are wearing two band-aids and dental floss thongs, the cops never arrest them! I can't imagine why not, can you?"

                                  Well yes I can imagine why not ........... because the female is attractive and the gay male is just disgusting? Something about homosexual activity or appearance effects normal humans on an instinctive/genetic level causing revulsion and disgust.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #14.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                                  Dennis, I don't think you know what "normal" means.

                                  If that outfit's good enough for Conan (the Barbarian, not the talk show host) or John Carter....

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #14.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

                                  Something about homosexual activity or appearance effects normal humans on an instinctive/genetic level causing revulsion and disgust.

                                  No, people often get their prejudices from their parents, general people around them, and media. Something tells me mommy and daddy spent a little too much time hating on the gay people, Dennis.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #14.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

                                  I agree with you ladies, he has a nice body and pulls it off well. I have seen guys dressed similar to that during Halloween (Tarzan costumes) and no one says anything. He isn't showing his genitals, so I don't see what the ruckus is all about.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #14.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:49 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  This has nothing to do with him being gay it never says in the article anything about he thinks its because he is gay. No one is trying to further any cause with this he simply wants to make sure that if he is arrested for public nudity that he is actually nude. People wear all sorts of things like this at halloween and bathing suits at parties and never get arrested and yes the law is still in effect those days as well. Why was he arrested then?

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#15 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:26 AM EDT

                                  If he wasn't gay, then what was he doing in a PRIDE parade?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #15.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

                                  Straight friends , family and supporters of gay people attend these things all the time Patricia.

                                  • 11 votes
                                  #15.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

                                  "A lot of people have worked very hard to make sure that we do have that parade. And I just want people to know that can go away if we don't stand up for ourselves and what we believe in.”

                                  The above quote is from the NBCSanDiego website. So it sounds like he's admittedly gay. But the issue is nudity - and he definately wasn't in violation of any law in (probably) any part of the country. I think the city loses (it is a $150,000 lawsuit, so probably will settle for $50K or so.)

                                    #15.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:04 PM EDT
                                    Reply

                                    If they can arrest this guy, then why not the Kardashians (Considering what they wear)? Or for that matter, anyone wearing a speedo or bikini? While the guy's fashion sense may have been questionable, since he wasn't in a restaurant, or causing a public disturbance, I think this arrest was just flat-out wrong.

                                    I see a reversal coming, and a lawsuit on top to boot!

                                    • 10 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:27 AM EDT

                                    Push this! You freakin uptight zealot. NOBODY is going to dictate or push their own prudish version of life upon us. You don't like it, too bad. This guy was completely legal and now zealot, you are gonna' pay for your stupidity. You can not and will not impose your religious/personal taste limitations onto society as you see fit, so pony up stupid. Your own doctrines are losing ground to the general populace and none of us in this secular, key word secular society will put up with your religious or versions thereof ANY LONGER. Thou does protest too much and now for that you are reaping the consequence you stupid idiots.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

                                    Hey, I don't blame the guy. He wasn't dressed any worse than people I see on the street every day.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#18 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:36 AM EDT

                                    Not only does the loincloth cover, he was wearing underwear beneath it. I've always lived in beachside communities and people around here wear much skimpier outfits than he's wearing in the picture, both guys and girls - not a big deal!

                                    • 7 votes
                                    Reply#19 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:38 AM EDT

                                    I don't see anything wrong with it, it's not indecent

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#20 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:39 AM EDT

                                    thongs are legal to wear in public? i thought they werent......hmmm....

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#21 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

                                    Generally speaking, yep, thongs are legal. As long as tits and bits are covered, you're good to go.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #21.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

                                    Um yes, and they have been for years...when was the last time you went to a beach? LOL

                                      #21.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:51 PM EDT
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                                      Comment author avatarAirborn7Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      What is this garbage about a Pride Parade. Call it what it is - a gaggle of diseased FAGS. I don't care what he wears. He should be arrested for being a queer.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#22 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:43 AM EDT

                                      And you should be arrested for being a hater. I can't imagine how you live with yourself.

                                      If you don't like equality, leave America.

                                      I bet you have more diseases than the man in that picture. Looking at your picture, you probably have high blood pressure, and diabetes.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #22.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                                      I find it a but amusing when people make comments apparently without realizing that besides revealing their prejudices, they fully display their ignorance and stupidity.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #22.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

                                      Way to go buddy! Go on and give us ANOTHER reason why this country can't move ahead... caveman... I may not be gay but I'll fight to the death for anyone's right to be who they are!

                                      ..and BTW, I'm a Marine...so I've already done it!

                                      People like you are the reason this country is so torn apart. Let people be themselves!

                                      • 8 votes
                                      #22.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

                                      Thank you for your service and intelligence, Dave.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #22.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

                                      Semper Fi brother, Airborn7 you are a sorry excuse for an American and you post you are an elite few.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #22.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:51 PM EDT
                                      Reply

                                      The guy is wearing a costume, just like people wear at the Halloween Parades. I've seen Wonder Woman costumes WAY skimpier than this.

                                      The cop is a homophobe.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#23 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:48 AM EDT

                                      That is not a rational assumption. A phobia is an unreasonable fear of something ........ quite a difference between a phobia and disgust. Besides, a woman in wonder woman costume is attractive to look at, this individual is just stomach turning.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #23.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:08 AM EDT

                                      Wow, Dennis, "stomach turning", really? Why is that? You're saying more about yourself than about him.

                                      I'm completely straight, but I'm also secure enough in my masculinity to say that that guy is hot. Heck, if I was that sculpted, I'd want to show it off, too.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #23.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

                                      Thank you for your honesty, Dan! Truly straight men don't feel a bit threatened by gay men. Anyone who can look at that body and find it "disgusting" has some pretty deep personal issues.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #23.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

                                      Oh, Dennis. I hate to be cliche, but you're obviously a closeted gay man, or a heterosexual one with some serious hangups about his own body. Or a combination of both.

                                      That said, the guy is clearly hot by current Western societal norms. That's just not debatable.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #23.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

                                      Capecodmom, I cannot imagine any society, anywhere, at any time in the history of humans that would not consider that guy hot...

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #23.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:38 PM EDT

                                      Woohoo, Dan-451372, a real man! I am so sick and tired of guys not being able to admit another guy is handsome or attractive because it will somehow make them gay or they fear people will assume they are gay. I never knew that sharing an opinion would somehow affect your sexuality. We women do it all the time!

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #23.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:54 PM EDT
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                                      it may not be illegal,but it should be!! straight or gay,no one wants to see your hairy manazz !!!

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#24 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

                                      The provided picture does not show his ass. So, do you care to explain how you know it's hairy?

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #24.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

                                      Yes. I'm not gay, but even I can see that homeboy is put together pretty nicely. I'd prance around naked too (and I do!).

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #24.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:10 PM EDT
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                                      Draw attention to yourself and all gays by dressing like a fool. That will really help forward the gay agenda. That's how to get mainstream to become tolerant of your lifestyle. What an idiot. All these gay pride parades do nothing but provide ammunition to the anti gay crowd. That being said, I see no reason that he should have been arrested for his attire.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#25 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

                                      Because every gay person needs to concern themselves every day with advancing the "gay agenda." You know, they are people too with lives to live and other things to think about.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #25.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:35 PM EDT
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