Warm spell breaks 138 records, more on the way

In the Great Plains and on the East Coast the unseasonably warm weather brought new highs on Tuesday. NBC's Brian Williams reports.

It feels like May in March, and that means plenty of temperature records are being broken this week, including 138 sites across the  Midwest and Northeast on Tuesday. Dozens more areas were expected to set records on Wednesday, when temperatures in some places could be 35 degrees above normal.

Records set Tuesday included 85 degrees Fahrenheit in Russell, Kan., 5 degrees warmer than its previous record in 1997 for a March 13, the National Climatic Data Center reported.

St. Louis, Mo., also set a new daily high at 83 degrees, 3 degrees more than in 2007 and the second straight day with a record.


Even Burlington, Vt., got a piece of the action, posting 67 degrees -- 5 degrees higher than its previous record back in 1946.

As for Wednesday, "readings may be as much as 35 degrees above normal," the National Weather Service said in an advisory.

National Climatic Data Center

The service said the warm spell should last into the weekend, while weather.com expected at least 60 cities and towns to post new records on Wednesday.

"It's almost like we skipped winter and now we're going to skip spring too," said Gino Izzi, a senior meteorologist at the National Weather Service's Chicago office.

Izzi said the weather pattern is a random but normal fluctuation. A jet stream moving north to south on the West Coast is pushing an opposite, seesaw effect in the rest of the nation. Atmospheric patterns, including the Pacific phenomenon known as La Nina, have kept cold air bottled up over Canada and contributed to the warmer winter in snow-accustomed parts of the continental U.S.

Tuesday's warm weather raised some concerns, including upping the risk of wildfires. The unusually warm, dry and windy conditions prompted six North Dakota counties to declare fire emergencies and institute burn bans.

In Minnesota, golfers greeted the sunshine at the Eagle Valley Golf Course in suburban St. Paul as it opened Tuesday — weeks earlier than last year.

"We're hoping this is a sign of good things to come," head golf pro Dan Moris said.

In Chicago, the ice rink was empty at iconic Millennium Park.

Nearby, new city residents Katie and Chris Anderson said they were surprised by the weather because of Chicago's legendary cold winters. "I was really nervous about moving here," Katie Anderson said.

"We expected the worst," her husband added.

In downtown Washington, D.C., most of the benches at a local park were filled with people enjoying the weather Tuesday. Taylor Jantz-Sell, a government employee, planned to do some reading.

"This is my favorite time of year, watching the blossoms come out," she said, adding that she had seen daffodils and crocuses, and ran to work Tuesday morning because of the weather.

"It's a sign of good things to come," she said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Man, the midwest and South are going to be in for one monster of a tornado outbreak if the jet stream drops back down. Probably would even get some here in New England if that happened, like last year.

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Reply#1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

"It's a sign of good things to come," she said.

No...it's a sign that everything is out of wack because of something called GLOBAL WARMING!!! Good things to come? I think not. Get ready for some major climate changes down the road. So, for now...

Keep your blinders on, enjoy the early spring and don't even think about the future...

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#1.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

When those monster tornados come every year, do you think people will eventually understand global warming, or do you think they'll just forget life wasn't always hell and keep falling for the fossil-fuelist propaganda?

Remember, we are only at 0.8-0.9 degrees Celsius, and by business as usual we could hit 6 degrees warming by 2100, and by God, we have the carbon to do it (between the coal and the unconventional tar sands/natural gas, enough for 5000 gT carbon). If you think this is weird, wait until we're all dead! Won't that be weird! As long as we get to pretend Al Gore is wrong and no one enacts a carbon tax!

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#1.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

If this is global warming, I'll have seconds! Shoveling to shorts weather in a week and cheap utility bills to boot! I also highly doubt that global warming is what will bring the end of mankind so i'm going to go have a beer on the patio ;)

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#1.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:06 PM EDT

I'm thrilled you like beer. I do too.

Now, outside of opinions about beer, you don't seem to know what you are talking about, and don't seem to have any qualifications to render an opinion about what this means, nor do you refer to any statements or research by those who do know what they are talking about.

Why don't you have a cigarette, too? I mean, it's only those alarmist scientists and doctors that say smoking's a bad idea.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

steve, it may be nice for you but it's 84 here. by summer if that continues it'll be over 110 for a while. not the norm and not nice at all.

    #1.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

    It's ludicrously warm across the front range of the Rockies. I haven't fired up the heat in almost a week and it's only March! Didn't get much snow last winter either. This is not going to be a good summer.

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    #1.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

    Maybe, though I remember last summer being cooler than normal. So maybe, though the weather is warmer than usual now, the summer won't be that drastic.

      #1.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

      The Colorado snow-water-equivalent is 74% of average for this time of year, and we are having near 60 degree weather in the northern CO mountain area where I live. I'm lovin' it! By the end of last year's snows, our snow-water-equivalent was at 250% of average and many areas were flooded during snow run-off season.

      Despite our below average water numbers this year, we will be just fine because of last year's overage. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to borrow Steve's idea and go have a beer on my patio. This weather is awesome!

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      #1.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

      Just wait until the Rockies no longer store snow due to high temperatures. Colorado, Nevada, Arizona and Southern California will be one big unlivable desert.

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      #1.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

      85 is too hot. I'll take 70 but no more in March. In the long term, it's worrisome. Have to admit, being on crutches this winter, not having to shovel ANY snow at all (never happened to me in last 20 yrs in Boston) has been a singular coincidental blessing.

        #1.10 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:12 AM EDT

        tfnj, don't know where you live but i remember last summer having the record set for days over 100 in several states plus a drought in texas.

          #1.11 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:08 PM EDT
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          Its going to be 74 degrees here in NJ today, about 20 degrees higher than average. I love this weather, but don't recall it being this warm this early in the year in my life time.

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          Reply#2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

          I grew up around Boston and I can remember the last time it was this warm in March, we got nailed with three feet of snow on April 1.

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          #2.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

          Yeah, just last year we had plenty of snow at this time. And when it snowed this past October, I told my wife that it was a sign of a really bad winter, and, against her wishes, bought a snow blower..

            #2.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

            TFNJ.....Just wanted to thank all of you who bought snow plowers and plows. You saved me a lot of shoveling this year !

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            #2.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

            And this is exactly the reason I gave my wife when she gave me the "I Told You So" look. I said I took one for the team, and prevented us from getting socked in snow this year. Thats right, I'm to blame for global warming.. :)

            Its someone elses turn next year.

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            #2.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:17 PM EDT
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            Love it while you can. By summer you'll wish you had a wet spring.

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            Reply#3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

            GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!

            SAY IT! SAAAAAY IT!!!!!!!!!

            Good things to come? Is everyone out of their goddam minds?

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            Reply#4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

            Ain't no such thang, Tim. Wha ah thank its naaaace to have warm weatha. God willin' we'll all have a naaace warm weatha all yar round, don't chall agree?

              #4.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

              I know, Jesus would never give us a world we could destroy. Unless we let gay people get married, of course...

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              #4.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

              Good point you bring up Tim; once the pattern of (generally) above normal temperatures is firmly established, once EXTREME weather aberrations (like the many winter tornadoes we had) become even more common, expect our lunatic fundamentalist fringe to declare the cause. Somebody 'must have offended THEIR God'. Without fail the TV-evangelist money-changers and right-wing talking heads will blame 'those uppidity women', atheists, liberals, gays and 'infidels' teaching evolution (the way the do without fail after 9-11 and after Katrina).

              The pattern is predicatable: that of statistically supported adverse climate changes, as is the mob-inciting pattern of scape-goating a convenient whipping-boy...

              Hey, it worked for the bumble-thumping hysterics in the middle-ages when faced with the plague...

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              #4.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

              Or we can just EVOLVE to handle the newer climate eh? eh? for you non religious folk. So either way you look at it, we will be just fine. Time to have that second beer on the patio. And Tim, i do smoke too ;) The way i figure it, i will be off this rock before it really hits the fan!

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              #4.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

              Big of you, Steve. No children? Or you don't like the one's you have?

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              #4.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

              I'm with Steve, at least in being happy I'll be long gone before climate change kills my way of life, but not for the same reasons he is (presumably). I feel there's nothing I can do to stop it. I recycle, drive a small car, support environmental issues, but what difference does it make? Who cares what I think? I feel like I'm being carried along on the backs of lemmings as they plunge over the cliff. It doesn't matter what I do, I will share their fate.

              (Or I would if I wasn't joining Steve in the afterlife.)

              • 3 votes
              #4.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

              Even if the climate just change, our children will adapt to that environment, just as we did to ours. This isn't a global killer.

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              #4.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

              A lot of people feel about 'let others adopt' the same way when the go to the crapper. They mess up the seat, splatter all over, don't flush and leave a stink something fierce. "Hey, it isn't gonna kill anyone!"

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              #4.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

              No. no. Not the same scenario.

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              #4.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

              Look 10 billion people by 2050 are going to have to deal with the consequences of our decisions today. Right now half of us have nukes. How many then?
              When our species last adapted to big changes, there were 9,900,000,000 fewer of us, and we didn't depend on agriculture and we didn't have nukes.

              Why decide to just see how we suffer when we get there? Why not use our goddam heads? Just so we can avoid putting in a carbon tax? That's kind of ideologically fanatical.

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              #4.10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

              Apparently, Tim H.'s favorite movie is 'Soylent Green.'

                #4.12 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:46 AM EDT
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                There is going to be a new delicacy in China and the Mid-East this summer, Sun Baked American.

                  Reply#5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:17 PM EDT
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                  Nothing yet on March temps but the so called warm temps in February were 2.7 degrees lower than the temps in 1930.

                  http://www.c3headlines.com/2012/03/global-warming-those-balmy-us-temps-of-february-2012-were-27-degrees-below-feb-temperatures-of-1930.html

                  In other words nothing is happening that didn't happen in the past when CO2 levels were much lower.

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                  Reply#6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:40 PM EDT

                  I was wondering when the Denialist shock-troopers would arrive.

                  Thought-provoking. So if a day in June has a temperature lower than a day in April there isn't any such thing as summer?

                  So you say the globe isn't warming? Haven't you heard about BEST?

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                  #6.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                  Also, Mr Statistics, you have to go back to 1930 to find a warmer February. How far back do you think you'll have to go to find a warmer March? 1830?

                  After 2010 was the warmest year on record?

                  After the last decade was the warmest ever recorded?

                  After all of this was predicted in Congressional testimony by Dr James Hansen in 1988, and after President Johnson was briefed on the possibility in 1964?

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                  #6.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

                  Deniers will go through great lengths quoting isolated statistical aberrations from 1930 or 1812 if they have to. The PATTERN and the SOLID NUMBERS, the mathematical equations and graphs mean nothing. After all a 'denier' (simpleton resistant to 'needed change') needs justification for any and all bad behavior, whatever it is. He will tell you to your face about 'somebody he knew who smoked all his life and died in his sleep stone-old'... That's all the logic and 'reality' that matters!

                  After all, the LOTTERY works on the principle to have a simpleton DENY REALITY, expect the most favorable outcome, despite the OVERWHELMING odds and statistical logic that tells us you are more likely to die from lightning, shark-attack and murder all in one... hence it is called 'the DUMB (simple) PERSON's VOLUNTARY TAX'.

                  I may still play one day, but expect nothing! But in the REAL world: plants that would normally be dead from the cold or still sleeping here in Tennessee are sprouting now or started blooming a month ago in winter... and spring is still a week away... it is as winter never came! But the tornado sirens were going multiple times throughout January!

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                  #6.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

                  So a link to a conservative blog makes this a fact?

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                  #6.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                  We haven't had a winter here at all. My windows have been open for months and months - it's downright balmy. I miss winter.

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                  #6.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:37 PM EDT
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                  "Atmospheric patterns, including the Pacific phenomenon known as La Nina, have kept cold air bottled up over Canada and contributed to the warmer winter in snow-accustomed parts of the continental U.S."

                  I don't think this statement is completely accurate. In Toronto, Canada beginning 11/2011 to date it has snowed a total of 5 times and all 5 times it's was gone within hours. So far it's warmest winter on record for us here. Believe it or not we don't live in igloos. Or at least not anymore!

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                  Reply#7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                  Don't tell economykiller above, he'll decide you are doctoring your records and want to subpoena all your e-mails.

                    #7.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:47 PM EDT
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                    Tim H-

                    Well if that's the case he (economykiller)can come here and serve the subpoena personally, and when he does, we will all be here ready to pitch some snowballs/iceballs at him.

                    Oh wait that's right we don't have any!!! maybe next year!!

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                    Reply#8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

                    Every beautiful day is a blessing. Thank God for all the nice weather. It is a good idea to pray your home is not blown away tomorrow. Global warming is a man made disaster...and mankind is not wise enough to stop it. Have a nice day!

                      Reply#9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:06 PM EDT

                      We can stop it. We will stop it. Wouldn't you rather leave your children a livable planet?

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                      #9.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

                      Good point Truthhurts!!! Everyday is a blessing!!

                        #9.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:13 PM EDT

                        And if we don't put in a carbon tax now and stop this insanity, when we count our blessings we won't have to count very high!

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                        #9.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:24 PM EDT
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                        ...and aren't you as glad to know, as I am, that in spite of the freakish weather we continue to have, that global warming is - as every Republican candidate has declared - "junk science"? The only one who didn't, John Hunstman, was quickly discarded by the nutcases now running that party.

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                        Reply#10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:09 PM EDT

                        I asked a very conservative acquaintance (and proud member of the Tea Party) what he thought about Global Warming. He explained, "What a crock! Forty years ago, a few climate scientists wrongly predicted that the earth was going to get colder. Therefore, any statement be any climate scientist at any time is wrong, and will be wrong forever. This global warming nonsense is simply a plot by the liberal media to get Obama reelected. Once that happens, you won't hear about it again. By the way, did I mention Rev. Wright, Bill Ayres, Muslim, not a US citizen, Nazi-Communist, and the teleprompter?"

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                        Reply#11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

                        Well I, for one, am enjoying the warmer winter. Climate change be damned. I'll be long dead before this changes into an inhospitabal planet. So all you deniers of climate change can sweat it out with the rest of us.

                          Reply#12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

                          "A sign of good things to come".

                          Unfortunately it is likely a sign of not so good things to come, whether we want to admit it or not.

                            Reply#13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:24 PM EDT

                            If humans are contributing to the latest "global warming" cycle, which happens naturally every 100,000 years or so, countries like China, Mexico, and the Russian group are causing far more damage than we are. So rather than rant about whether we need fewer SUV's on our roads, get the Obama-ites to to put pressure on other nations. But I know it is more fun to point a holier-than-thou finger at fellow Americans.

                              Reply#14 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

                              Lee, for us to deal with this, we have to think coherently. Anyone who has intellectual integrity will separate out the issues: 1) Is it happening? 2) Is it us? 3) What are the consequences? 4) What to do?

                              It seems you, like all conservatives, currently, just skip to 4), don't like what you see, and then just hop all around all the steps plucking out things you think are wrong in the chain, motivated by distaste for 4) and with no real intent to go step by step. If you don't resolve step 1) and 2), you'll never get anywhere, and worse, you will be dangerously wrong.

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                              #14.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

                              Tim - you made my point perfectly. The only "distaste" for 4, is for your 4 - because you, in fact, want to force your conclusions as to the the first three steps down our throats, and then blame American conservatives for global warming. I am saying, if I spot you the first three, say you are right, then you should abandon the joy of blaming your American political opponents and focus on the primary, potential, causes. Do you understand?

                                #14.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:56 PM EDT

                                If you spot me the first three, then you would HAVE to come up with your own solution that would meet the requirements of the science, the simple physics of it. Because there is no acceptable conservative solution to the Right (which is crazy, because using a tax to price in the externality would be the simplest, best way to let the free market do it's magic) the Right call all of the science a global enviro-Marxist hoax, and contests points 1-4 without integrity. The Right MUST come up with a real solution, or it must accept the carbon tax. It cannot go back and contest points 1-3 because it doesn't like the only real answer. That would be dishonest, lazy and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS to mankind, and to science, on of humanity's great achievements, and something Western culture feels, justifiably, a great deal of pride for having helped, or entirely, created.

                                Do you understand? If you spot 1-3, you cannot go back and rehashed settled science about 1-3 when you get angry about 4, or you threaten the lives of your children and mine.

                                  #14.3 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:43 AM EDT
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                                  All those who are celabrating the warmth read the writing on the wall!

                                  I had hoped to pass in this life when I learned of Globle warming in the 1960's and what the world will face this coming year is not a smiling matter. the aftermath is bound to be draught this summer wicked sandstorms and food shortages remember your history?

                                    Reply#15 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                                    here's the problem everybody. global warming supporters can attribute everything to global warming. rise in temps, dips in temps., increase storms, etc.. etc... on the other hand global warming deniers can attribute all of those same things to cyclical patterns in normal weather. Are both wrong? Are both right?

                                    i think the global warming supporters could garner a lot more attention and less debate if they change there stance from global warming to global polluting. I would think that everyone could agree that they want less pollutants in their environment and at the same time everybody wins.

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                                    Reply#16 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                                    No, here's the problem- Carbon.

                                    That's it. That's the problem.

                                    And global warming deniers are wrong. Climate scientists are right. That's why the Earth is unmistakably warming. As predicted.

                                    Got it?

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                                    #16.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:58 PM EDT

                                    tim,

                                    i guess that is what's wrong with this country. nobody wants to fundamentally take one for the team, even if in the long run everybody is a winner. everyone always has to be right. no middle ground to come to for compromise, even if everybody comes out a winner from the compromise.

                                      #16.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:06 PM EDT

                                      Gee, Tim H., if you weren't so shortsighted, nay, outright wrong/lying about the problem being carbon, I might be inclined to your point of view. THE MOST INFLUENTIAL "greenhouse gas" is water vapor. Do they pay you by the word, or by the post, to push this pro-carbon-tax/cap-and-trade agenda. Why do you assert that AGW "deniers" cherry-pick information, discarding whatever doesn't agree with their pre-determined outcomes, when that is exactly what the other side of the debate is doing (too)? In case it hadn't occurred to you, climate is a whole lot bigger a picture than you give it credit for being when you say dumb things like, "...Carbon. That's it. That's the problem... Got it?"

                                      You seem like the D-bag from the "Kill-a-Watt" commercial during the (completely contrived) CA energy crisis.

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                                      #16.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                                      Diatribe, I am science literate and I have 3 children I brought into this world, with the intent to leave them a world inhabitable and worth inhabiting.

                                      Now, water vapor. Nah, ya think? Wow, shouldn't climate scientists have figure that out?

                                      Oh, yeah, they have. Starting with Arrhenius in 1896.

                                      Think is, water vapor falls out of the air on average in three days.

                                      Carbon dioxide will be in the air about 10,000 years.

                                      In short, the amount of water vapor is a function of the avergae temperature, which is primarily affected by CO2. It is, in effect, a significant positive feedback. Not a forcing.

                                      aurunner- what the hell do you mean? What the hell is the compromise? What are conservatives offering? Nothing but paranoid conspiracy, and if you ever try to get at the problem obliquely, you will 1) get nowehere near 80% drop in emissions in time to avoid the worst, and 2) not get anywhere because these nuts will see what you're getting at and freaking lose MORE of their minds- they are crazy, not stupid. Didn't you think more efficient lightbulbs made sense?

                                      I did. Bush did. These psychos did, so they went apepoop on it.

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                                      #16.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                                      yeah those more efficient light bulbs also contain mercury and need to be disposed of properly. how do you think that is going to come back and bite us in the ass? I'm sure everyone will recycle those when they burn out.

                                      And instead of blaming the conservatives or liberals or cows that fart and release methane... why don't you convince the masses to change their ways? there is nothing about global warming that says only the government can prevent it and you can only rely on the government to do something about it.

                                        #16.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

                                        You can't "convince the masses to change their ways."

                                        That's insane. You have to put a serious price on carbon, at the well-head or the mine, that equals the damage it's emissions does to all of us. It's called "pricing in the externality." It is the only way to solve the "tragedy of the commons".
                                        And yes, it's a tax. And yes, only the government can do it. And yes, that is why the Right will lose the planet rather than lose this argument.

                                        We need to double our energy production, and cut to one tenth our carbon emission, from an economy almost wholly dependent on fossil-based energy production. Government puts in the tax. The free market then solves the problem. You're completely fooling yourself if you think there is any other way. So far, I haven't heard how re-cycling the newspaper, or bringing my own grocery bags is going to cut out 80 million tons of carbon emission per day.

                                        Or do you have some idea I've never heard? Or are you pretending to care, and will you now talk about how carbon taxes are impossible, just so oil companies can make another $100 billion profit this year?

                                          #16.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                                          if relying on the government is the only way.... then you and i both know we are screwed. dems and repubs are in bed with big business and that's certainly something no one can deny.

                                            #16.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

                                            We're screwed if we give up. The government won WWII and the Cold War, with the same Democrats, and Republicans, and big business. I'm not planning on lying down and dying. Sure as hell I'm not planning to let my children drown because I feel down about government.

                                              #16.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                                              Does "science-literate" mean the same thing as intellectually dishonest? You refuse to acknowledge the bigger picture? Or you are paid by some agency (read: of which you are an agent)? If your agenda is as you've stated, then you have difficulty with jumping to conclusions? What does the phrase "warmest on record" actually mean? Are you sure you haven't placed undue faith in the infallibility of records kept only about 160 years (and for how many of them accurately?) of recorded data? How does your data explain tropical plants growing in the (modern day) United Kingdom? Or do you discard that because it disagrees with your politics?

                                              You see, there is not even any evidence that global warming has somehow been accelerated, relative to the last time the planet warmed in similar fashion. And, Tim H., Our climate is largely controlled by three things (simplified) water, atmosphere, and the sun. I know it gets REALLY difficult to prove the pseudo science of AGW (largely a product of political posturing and the need for politicians to look like they are "doing something about the problem") when you put the hydrologic cycle back into the equation...

                                              All that is neither here, nor there. I am neither a proponent nor a denier of AGW and it's larger implications. However, any good dog knows not to $hit where it eats; that's just common sense.

                                              Since you are so obviously convinced that your point of view is absolute truth, which, being static, will necessarily disagree with reality, which, unlike truth, is in a constant state of fluctuation, please provide the evidence that supports your claim (the problem is carbon). And don't say manbearpig... I mean, global warming. By all means. And if you could include the hydrologic cycle in your argument, well, that would be just swell. Will you also please explain why things like methane and sulfer dioxide don't figure into your assessment of "the problem."

                                              Or you can just shout me down with more drivel that is totally irrelevant to the question that I asked... it'll be a lot like school. HINT: I'll have more respect for you if you say you don't know the answer...

                                                #16.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

                                                Oh yeah, about the tropical plants-Great Britain... That was in the middle ages...

                                                BTW, TIM H., You still haven't answered any questions, in spite of your histrionics... Must be the 'ignore' button.

                                                  #16.10 - Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:51 AM EDT
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                                                  This happened to come up on my I-Pod while reading the artice.

                                                  Gives me a renewed respect for Bob Dylan:

                                                  Original words with "times" changed to "climes"

                                                  The Times They Are a Changin

                                                  Come gather 'round people

                                                  Wherever you roam

                                                  And admit that the waters

                                                  Around you have grown

                                                  And accept it that soon

                                                  You'll be drenched to the bone

                                                  If your time to you

                                                  Is worth savin'

                                                  Then you better start swimmin'

                                                  Or you'll sink like a stone

                                                  For the climes they are a-changin'.

                                                  Come writers and critics

                                                  Who prophesize with your pen

                                                  And keep your eyes wide

                                                  The chance won't come again

                                                  And don't speak too soon

                                                  For the wheel's still in spin

                                                  And there's no tellin' who

                                                  That it's namin'

                                                  For the loser now

                                                  Will be later to win

                                                  For the climes they are a-changin'.

                                                  Come senators, congressmen

                                                  Please heed the call

                                                  Don't stand in the doorway

                                                  Don't block up the hall

                                                  For he that gets hurt

                                                  Will be he who has stalled

                                                  There's a battle outside

                                                  And it is ragin'

                                                  It'll soon shake your windows

                                                  And rattle your walls

                                                  For the climes they are a-changin'.

                                                  Come mothers and fathers

                                                  Throughout the land

                                                  And don't criticize

                                                  What you can't understand

                                                  Your sons and your daughters

                                                  Are beyond your command

                                                  Your old road is

                                                  Rapidly agin'

                                                  Please get
                                                  out of the new one

                                                  If you can't lend your hand

                                                  For the climes they are a-changin'.

                                                  The line it is drawn

                                                  The curse it is cast

                                                  The slow one now

                                                  Will later be fast

                                                  As the present now

                                                  Will later be past

                                                  The order is

                                                  Rapidly fadin'

                                                  And the first one now

                                                  Will later be last

                                                  For the climes they are a-changin'.

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                                                  Reply#17 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:50 PM EDT

                                                  Just enjoy this weather !!!!!! People!!!

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                                                  Reply#18 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

                                                  Are you not paying ANY attention?

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                                                  #18.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

                                                  She's not wrong in saying we should enjoy the weather. Relax

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                                                  #18.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:01 PM EDT

                                                  @ Tim, I do pay attention, Its call La Nina !!!!!!! A normal cycle !!!!!! So again just enjoy !!!!!!

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                                                  #18.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                                                  I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying weather we have a problem or not, I'm gonna enjoy my life and the weather. F the globe and its weather.

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                                                  #18.4 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                                                  my reply is to Tim H.... And agree with you TFNJ 100% enjoy!!!!!!

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                                                  #18.5 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

                                                  Oh I know. I was just making it clear to Tim that even if there was a problem, nothing wrong with enjoying the weather. Got to take life in strides some times.

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                                                  #18.6 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                                                  No, Kitty, it's not a normal cycle. We have a problem. A really big problem. A solvable problem. You just need to get on board.

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                                                  #18.7 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                                                  tim, how is it not a normal cycle? I've heard of la Nina and el nino long before i heard about global warming or even the ozone hole in the 90's.

                                                  i'm not disagreeing with your position, that we need to reduce emissions, but to say la nina we are in is not normal then why not back it up with some proof.

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                                                  #18.8 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

                                                  Look at Hansen and Sato,

                                                  Not yet published, but pretty straight-forward. Since the significant warming of the last three decades, anomalous temps of greater than 3 standard deviations have been measured over 10% of the Earth's surface in any year, whereas previously they covered much less than 1%.

                                                  Read the paper. Do the math.

                                                    #18.9 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                                                    OH. Is it not yet published due to needing to be peer-reviewed? Nevermind. You don't have any real information, but you ARE very convinced.

                                                    Abe Lincoln mentioned that in a speech one time...

                                                      #18.10 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

                                                      The only Hansen and Soto I found was a year old draft, with no data references more current than 2005. Couldn't possibly account for the flat global temperatures since then. Maybe that's why we haven't seen publication.

                                                        #18.11 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:02 PM EDT

                                                        pesky peer review

                                                          #18.12 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

                                                          Remember -- Rush the junkie say global warming is junk science. and of course -- rush the junkie is an expert on climate.

                                                            #18.13 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:51 PM EDT

                                                            can't enjoy it when you are facing severe drought conditions, no crops for lack of snow melt, irrigation and feed costs that force us to sell off livestock. the drought last year was mostly the deep south and texas but this year it extends all the way to the canadian border. if we don't have enough water then places like phoenix, las vegas, s. cali. won't be getting the water they rely on from the colorado. many rivers like the cimmaron and rio grande out of our state will likely go dry before mid summer due to the record low snow pack. everyone will feel the pain of this record weather be it those of us facing drought and those who face in the grocery stores when food prices go through the roof.

                                                              #18.14 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:57 PM EDT
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                                                              Yeah...who cares about future generations anyway! Let em take care of them selves, I got mine , the he** with them! LOL?( Please forgive my humble attempt at irony.)

                                                                Reply#19 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

                                                                This is a story that will not be covered on DUMB FUX channel...........

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                                                                Reply#20 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

                                                                I tell you the artist goya knew. Those who are illogical speak the loudest. It's why the rushbo was calling a virgin a slut & prostitute. And why i won't be taking my cars to amco next month. Al gore & science are logically right. Time and again the weather speaks for itself.

                                                                  Reply#21 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

                                                                  Bring it on. This has been one of the nicest winters in recent memory. Didn't have to use the snow plow one single time. Don't remember one time where I had to snail down the road at 10 MPH due to ice. Deer population is at all time high. Global warming is fantastic. Only liberals can be depressed with such nice weather.

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                                                                  Reply#22 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

                                                                  Oy. Enjoy the food production failure, tornados, flash-floods, and fatal heatwaves?

                                                                  Only conservatives would forget these come with global warming.

                                                                    #22.1 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

                                                                    Minor human inconvenience. You rich liberal elite Kennedy's might have to move your oceanfront homes inland just a bit. Wild life don't seem to mind. Temperatures were much higher and weather conditions much more severe when the dinosaurs roamed and vegetation was abundant.

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                                                                    #22.2 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

                                                                    @ Tim H.

                                                                    Those of us who recognize that science is constantly contradicting itself because it is wrong a lot of the time (as in the case of global warming), we will enjoys this unusual variation in weather. For folks that don't (as in yourself) those who dwell on disaster, let sorrow be your master.

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                                                                    #22.3 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:40 PM EDT
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                                                                    This happens every 20 years. Enjoy.

                                                                      Reply#23 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

                                                                      This weather is NOT normal- have lived in Connecticut since I was 6yo- a place where we see all kinds of weather- but NEVER have I seen this kind of PROLONGED warmth- lasting week after week- we would have a few days of warm temperatures- then it would turn chilly again- this is exceptional weather.

                                                                      The Meteorologist is fool of it. I guess they are told what to say.

                                                                        Reply#24 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:39 PM EDT

                                                                        These debates continue to amuse me to no end. Yes, global warming appears to be happening, the globe is getting warmer. Global warming ended the last ice age too - I imagine lots of glaciers melted then, and I don't think there were any SUV's driving around 120,000 years ago. Perhaps we are causing it this time. Perhaps not. But, any of the steps recommended to prevent it are probably smart steps any way.

                                                                        I head up to the northwest now and then, and see many wonderful old VW campers and buses driven by left thinking old school folks. Probably never occurs to them that their VW cranks out more carbon than five 2012 Suburbans.

                                                                          Reply#25 - Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:13 PM EDT
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