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Eduardo Munoz / Reuters
NYPD officers clash with members of the Occupy Wall Street movement at Zuccotti Park in New York on Saturday night.
NEW YORK -- Police arrested dozens of Occupy Wall Street protesters on Saturday night during a protest marking the movement's six-month mark at its birthplace in New York's Zuccotti Park.
More than 100 officers pushed through the park crowd. Many protesters shouted and officers took out their batons after a demonstrator threw a glass bottle at a bus that police were using to detain more than a dozen protesters.
At least two people were loaded into ambulances.
The sweep just before midnight capped a day of demonstrations and marching in lower Manhattan. There was no official word on the number of arrests but dozens of people were handcuffed and led out of the park.
Earlier in the day, 15 people were arrested and three officers suffered injuries, police said.
Protesters reconvened at the park following afternoon marches through New York's financial district. By 11 p.m. roughly 300 had gathered there.
"This is our spring offensive," said Michael Premo, 30, of New York, who identified himself as a spokesman for the movement. "People think the Occupy movement has gone away. It's important for people to see we're back."
Inspired by the pro-democracy Arab Spring, the Wall Street protesters targeted U.S. financial policies they blamed for the yawning income gap between rich and poor in the country, between what they called the 1 percent and the 99 percent. The demonstrators set up camp in Zuccotti Park on September 17 and sparked a wave of protests across the United States.
Shortly after 11:30 p.m., some protesters began to erect tents near the center of the park and police began to move in, according to protester Cari Machet.
"They came in to shut it down," Machet said. "They told us we had to leave because the park was closed."
When about 100 officers entered the park, dozens of protesters sat on the ground and refused orders to leave. They were then carried out in plastic handcuffs and put in police buses and vans.
The park was cleared within 20 minutes, and by midnight no protesters remained in its boundaries.
The New York Times reported that by 12:20 a.m. Sunday, police officers were forcing the remaining protesters south on Broadway, at times swinging batons and shoving people to the ground.
Events got under way near midday on Saturday, with street theater troupes performing and guitar players leading sing-alongs. Some boisterous protesters marched through the streets of the financial district, chanting "bankers are gangsters" and cursing at police.
As they have in past marches, protesters led police on a series of cat-and-mouse chases. Marchers at the front of the crowd would suddenly turn down narrow side streets, startling tourists and forcing police to send officers on motor scooters to contain the crowd.
The movement has made headlines for its clashes with police after campsites were set up for months in cities from New York to California. The camps were eventually shut down by authorities citing zoning regulations and public health concerns.
In New York, the Occupy movement lost significant momentum in November when a pre-dawn sweep broke up the encampment at Zuccotti, although Occupy protests in Oakland, California, in January led to police firing tear gas into crowds of protesters and more than 200 were arrested.
Protester Paul Sylvester, 24, of Massachusetts said he was "thrilled" to be back at the park but said he hoped the movement would begin to crystallize around specific goals.
"We need to be more concrete and specific," he said. Critics say the Occupy movement lacks direction and clear demands.
It continues to draw celebrities, however. On Saturday night, independent filmmaker Michael Moore strode through the park before the police incursion.
"I think it's great that this movement continues to grow," Moore said. "I think the goals are clear. People are concerned that they have no control over their own democracy. They have no control over their own lives.
"This is the beginning. This park is sacred ground for millions across the country."
This article contains reporting from The Associated Press and Reuters.
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Occupy movement continues.
I think you mean, "WE are back"!
Does that meant we can expect more trash and piles of crap in the parks? More rapes and assaults? More of these assh*les blocking people from getting to work, or home, or anywhere else they need to be- either by forming 'human chains' on the sidewalks or flooding into the streets to stop traffic like they did here in Seattle? Can we expect more incidents of feces and urine smeared on the windows and doors of 'the great evil', corporations? Can we expect more violence against cops or people who don't want to be kept out of their places of business? More b*tching and moaning from people who can protest for months on end about the lack of employment oppurtunities but can't seem to go look for a job? More of them venting their childlike anger anyplace other than where it belongs, Washington DC? More outrage because someone hasn't paid them $20 an hour with a bonus for just rolling out of bed?
I was sort of okay with this movement until all of this crap started playing out. People have a right to protest, but they don't have a right to try and stop others from living their lives because they aren't getting what they want, and they don't have the right to harm others. At this point I've had enough of their crap, it's time for these people to start moving forward with their lives and stop hanging out in bank lobbies looking for a hand out.
Wait a second... Didn't the teabaggers promise us that these protests would only last a few days? And then didn't they promise us that they would only last a few weeks? And after that, didn't they promise us they'd only last a few months?
Gee, I wonder what they're going to promise us next...
Breaking up simple protests is all our cops in America are good for. What a bunch of overpaid glorified TSA agents. Look at that picture... Takes dozens of those simpletons to break up a peaceful protest and yet all of our cities are strapped with the legacy costs of their pensions. Oh yeah... Worth every penny.
Eh, its warm out....the homeless are taking over the parks again.
Here is some reasons to occupy
youTube:
Florida congressman Alan Grayson laughs in Ben Bernanke's face, priceless!
Feb. 8, 2012 OUSD board meeting Occupy the Hood Mic Check
Charlottesville City Council Mic Check!
TRNN TOWN HALL: Does Baltimore Need $100 Million Youth Prison?
Occupy Whatcom County Council |
Occupy Bellingham
Chris Hedges Occupy the Courts
NY Jan 20 2012 w/ Lawrence Lessig Occupy Wall St
BEST OCCUPY MOVIE, REVOLT, RESIST, The Elegant Symmetry of Hypocrisy, I am not moving..
Mic Check! Ohio Students Interrupt Gas Industry
[Orignal full version] 1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (By. J. handy)!
Their "movement" is hurting the Democrats not helping. What is it they are attempting to do help the Republicans win in 2012? If that is their goal then I'm sure they will be very successful at it.
Occupy Wall Street is exposing unethical behavior and telling the truth .... since when is that bad ?
Our wealth gap problems are magnified by the greed of many bankers, brokers, and corporate Fat Cats. 'Power to the People, right on' .....
What has occupy wall street exposed exactly? What are the specific names of the corporations, Firms, CEO's and the specific laws that they have broken?
The “OWS – Manifest” ----– by: Michael L Marowitz.
The message of OWS ought not to be lost because many of its participants are young, leaderless, filthy or clean. They share one thing in common—they’re unemployed or underemployed, as are many Americans. The message is simple: America is politically corrupt. Corporations now dictate public policy. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are now bought and sold to act in the best interests of their contributors, and not in the best interests of the public. Our representative democracy has been reduced to a corporate oligarchy.
Moreover, the Republican Party, acting in lock-step unison, has become the main instrument by which wealthy people compel a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper classes through tax policy and other means. That transfer of wealth can be easily seen by anyone who isn’t overwhelmed by Teapublican dogma. For example, worker wages, when inflation is taken into account, are about what they were in 1978, a staggering reflection of stagnant wages since Reagan’s time. This clearly reflects how, over the last 30 years, businesses have succeeded in defeating labor unions as effective advocates for workers. By comparison, “the top 1%” of income earners saw their after-tax income shoot up a whopping 275% between 1979 and 2007, and in the process more than doubled their share of all income, jumping from 8% to 17%, according to a new report from the Congressional Budget Office.” http://www.newser.com/story/131888/income-of-top-1-shot-up-275-since-1979-cbo.html. It is now the case that the top 20% of annual income earners in the United States control 85% of all annual income. http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html. The remaining 80% fight over the remaining 15% of the income—the left-over scraps .
As a practical matter, workers’ pay has been stagnant ever since Republican hero Reagan started selling Milton Friedman’s economic snake oil, which has variously been called “austere capitalism,” “laissez faire capitalism” or “neoliberalism.” Supposedly in order to take full advantage of the blessings of capitalism, Friedman and his colleagues at the Chicago School of Economics prescribed “trickle down, supply-side economics,” deregulation of business, and eliminating government jobs by privatizing governmental functions (think Blackwater providing security for generals in the Green Zone, McDonald’s feeding our Iraq soldiers, private enterprises running prisons—a great way for Republicans to reward big campaign contributors, further corrupting democracy). When Reagan said, “Government isn’t the solution to people’s problems, it is the problem,” he was preaching Friedman’s gospel. Every Washington economic adviser since 1990 (among whom are Volker, Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Summers, Paulson, Geithner) has been a Friedman acolyte. Friedman’s theories make up today’s orthodoxy in economic departments of universities, subscribing to them is a requirement for obtaining loans from IMF or the World Bank, and Geithner, one of those who helped install Friedman-inspired policies that led to the great financial collapse of 2007-08, is now the architect trying to undo their calamitous effects. We’ve been living for 30 years subject to a radical economic tyrant. To those who would dismiss this as “nonsense,” bear in mind that implementation of Friedman’s ideas has led to the enrichment of the wealthy and the impoverishment of the middle class in Pinochet’s Chile, post-Glasnost Russia, and Lech Walesa’s Poland.
While Teapublicans dwell on tax reductions, bloated government, welfare queens, 2nd Amendment rights, Obama as socialist, Obamacare as socialistic, bringing prayer into our schools, and maintaining bigotry against homosexuals, all because they have a tendency to believe in sheer fictions and and to be frightened easily by fairy tales articulated by angry, hubristic and often dull-witted rhetoricians (Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck), OWS has triggered a slumbering giant—those who have been screwed by a rigged political system that operates for the benefit of the wealthy at the expense of ordinary working people. They know that the “job creators” who enjoyed the fruits of higher worker productivity during the 90s and 2000s and got a massive tax cuts under Bush, have gladly accepted their tax cuts, bailouts and trillions in profits earned during Obama’s Presidency and are either sitting on those trillions of dollars or are shipping jobs to newly established factories, call-service centers (don’t they all seem to have an Indian accent?), and businesses in other countries with starving workers who aren’t represented by unions and will accept way-below minimum wages, thereby generating even greater profits for their corporate masters.
All Teapublicans who denounced Kevin for his naivete or alleged lack of education are nothing less than indoctrinated, ill-educated lemmings who prefer to believe corporate drivel. They like being corporate serfs, at least until the full impact of the ongoing income transfer is complete—when America will be a Third World country. After government has been dismantled (yes, Uncle Miltie, you won!) and federal income taxes are lowered (even though they are as low as they’ve been in 50 years), when they won’t have high taxes and bloated government to whine about, they won’t like rolling blackouts more than once per day, or the fact that there aren’t enough cops to catch criminals, not enough district attorneys to prosecute offenders, that interstate calamities/catastrophes won’t be addressed yet alone fixed (Katrina’s destruction of New Orleans will be the model of efficiency), potholes will never be fixed, that pollution will go completely unabated, public parks will close (already happening in California), potable water will be much more expensive, etc. The only benefit to Teapublicans will be that illegal immigration will stop—for undocumented aliens, the only reason to come is for the jobs, which will no longer exist).
In other words, OWS stopped believing in right-wing propaganda and are demanding economic equity and an end to political corruption. Their message will survive their end because it’s the main fight over the future of the United States.
#285.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST
STOP RAPING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ David Noah
"What has occupy wall street exposed exactly? What are the specific names of the corporations, Firms, CEO's and the specific laws that they have broken?"
Exactly Dave, the have not broken any laws because our system is based on their success. Specific corporations include bur are not limited to: Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, CitiGroup etc that play with our homes, jobs, and lives. These are systems where ponze schemers and vulture capitalists like Bernie Madov and Mitt Romney prosper. There needs to be stricter laws and stronger regulations federally. That is what the the whole occupy movement is all about.
Took an occupy movement first thing this morning. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................
These arrests are absurd and are illegal.
The system is quick to "lock up" the people that are fighting for true economic justice for all of our citizens. Yet, a "sweet heart" deal was given to the Wall Street crooks and the Big Bank scam artists that caused our economy to collapse. These thieving lords and barons have justed walked away from their deliberate crimes. These continued arrests of the Occupy Wall Street protesters confirm that the 1% have an unshakable grip on American "democracy." The "set ups" for arrests by the cops and their raids are making a mockery out of system of "fairness."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/opinion/sunday/the-banks-win-again.html?_r=1&hp
When the American people protest against the government stealing money from workers to give to the WallSt FatCats, the local police are out in force to beat the crap out of the protestors. You would think Russia has taken over NYC and suspended the US Constitution.
The socialist policy of the American government has caused the huge gap in wealth between the various social strata; high unemployment with accompanying low purchasing power and lower standard of living; the continuous decline in US manufacturing and industry; the bankruptcy of two of three US auto companies; the waging of four wars in Asia for nearly 10 years; and ever increasing taxes to pay for welfare for the FAtCats.
It is obvious that the economic system, once called capitalism, has been perverted to serve the WallSt FatCats. Today, the US Constitution serves just the Super Rich. And the local police, well paid by the FatCats, has become their private police and paramilitary force to quash any and all dissent.
The American people have been duped into believing freedom, liberty, and the Americam Dream. In reality, Americans have become slaves to the FatCats working harder for meager compensation while their savings are being stolen from them: The 2012 Dollar is worth less than 5% of the 1913 Dollar. The American Dream is a fraud perpetrated by FatCats to keep the working stiff pursuing the carrot-on-the- stick that is un-reachable for the 99%.
Americans are living in the Brave New World where the self-serving Big Government has perverted the meaning of freedom, liberty, capitalism, and the US Constitution.
Good. Lock em up! There are penalties for breaking the law; interfering with other peoples' lives and making it impossible for businesses to operate just because you think you have a God given right to act like the immature, empty headed, pie-in-the-sky, ivory towered jerks you are.
Maybe sitting in a jail cell for a week or two - if it could be arranged - might open a small window of real thinking into the minds of these children in grown up bodies with more education than brains.
If you were to look deeply into the people leading this so called "movement", what you would find is that most of them are the very children of privilege; begat by the very 1 percent they so vehemently and vociferously condemn.
In the world of Islamic terrorism it is the educated sons of the wealthy with more time on their hands than they know what to do with; who have never done a real day of work in their lives but who have been "educated" by professors who were and are as equally separated from the reality who end up masterminding the most horrific of terror plots.
In America we have a similar phenomenon with the children of well off parents: parents who in their mis-guided effort to give their children what they never had have enabled their children to become for all practical purposes perpetual students; sitting at the feet of left wing professors who themselves have never worked a day in their lives - save to study the works of others of their ilk. It truly is a shame to know so much that isn’t so.
In the end though, both the Islamic terrorists and the Occupy Wall Street would-be-economic terrorists will fail and fall in the face of both reality and reason. Both movements have nothing viable - save hatred and animosity - underlying and sustaining them. In due course, as with all movements and or actions of either a collective or individual nature that are out of sync with reality and purely sustained by the energy and will of mere humans they ultimately will die out and find themselves relegated - as have all such in the past - to the dung heap of violent movements that purport to be able to save the world from itself.
In the meantime, let them peacefully protest but, when they get out of hand – as they are so often wont to do, lock em up.
Harry winter2...
Too bad no politician will BUY into your idols manifesto. The left will only give it lips service to get votes and the right will dismiss it because of its blatent bias. We of the real 98% see it for what it is, half truths and ignorance on human individuality as OWS attempts to sell MOB MENTALITY as being righteous.
what if the mob is right about everything? what will you do then?
American... What they really seem to want is everything free. With mine and maybe even your money. Whey they get all you money, what will you do then?
Right about what exactly? 6 months later the OWS still has yet to clearly state what it is they want? To me it would be like me going to the rich neighborhood in my area and camping in their yards because they have something I don't...wtf?
These OS protesters are nothing nut a bunch of lazy do nothings looking for a handout. Those that do have a college education majored in things like art history and now they wonder why they can not find a job that pays them $80,000/year just for showing up. They do not want to work for anything. I am sick of the entitlement mentality that pervades this movement, along with many of the younger generation. They all seem to think that the American dream should be handed to them on a silver platter. They do not seem to understand that the American dream is there for anyone who goes out and works for it, but no one is going to hand it to you. You are not entitles to a nice house and a nice car and all the toys, you have to put in the work to earn them. Stop complaining about not being able to pay your bills when those bills include things like cell phone service with unlimited data packages for your smart phone and big cable TV bills that include all the pay movie channels and the sports packages. Stop whining that you can not afford the payments on your new car, maybe you should try driving a serviceable used car that provides basic transportation until you have earned the money to afford the brand new luxury sedan or sports car. These are all things that you need to work for if you want them. You are not entitled to a 2500 square foot home in a nice suburban neighborhood, you have to work and save for years before you might be able to afford to live like that.
Another thing, enough of your generic whining about the 1%. Most of that 1% did not start off that way, most of them worked their asses off to get where they are and they deserve to enjoy the fruits of their labors. Yes, there are some out there who inherited their money or made it through less than honorable means, but they are a very small minority of this so called 1%. Many of these 1% made a lot of sacrifices when they were younger to get where they are. They did not go out and spend every last dollar they made and then some on toys they did not need. They scrimped and saved, investing their money, not to mention very long hours, in their businesses to make their dreams come true. They put in a lot of hard work and gave up a lot of free time and outside pursuits to focus on their business and their dreams. This is how you achieve the American dream, not by sitting on your ass looking for the nanny state to take care of you and hand you everything.
Finally, if you see things about the system that you think are wrong, work to change them. Generic complaints that other have too much and you deserve more are meaningless. What makes you deserve more. What do you think should be changed and how. Simply whining you want more does not mean anything and is not something anyone can take action on. If you see problems, come up with some specific demands that are reasonable and doable. And by this I do not mean things like demanding that your student loans, which you knowingly took on, be forgiven because you do not feel like paying them back. No one told you to spend $100,000+ on an art history degree that gives you no real hope at a meaningful career that would allow you to pay back the loans. This is not something that was forced on you, it is something you did to yourself and need to accept the responsibility for. If you think that the politicians are in the pockets of the corporations, then go to Washington and protest, or start writing letter to you representatives, pushing for campaign finance reform. If enough people do this, the politicians will have to listen. If they don't, then the people can elect others who will make the changes. You can go door to door supporting a candidate that feels the way you do and help get them elected so they can make the changes. This is a far better use of your time than sitting around in some park whining. Changes only come about when people get off their asses and do something. Whining about a problem never changed anything.
Wait till tampa their liable to burn down the stadium with the Republicans in it. NYC cops are nothing but a bunch of over paid zealots that want to run a police state
Change?! These fools can't even change their underwear.
As long as greedy hateful shills post their sick comments here in support of the unconstitutional private bankster Federal Reserve who supply themselves FIAT money to enslave us with, shills that love war profiteering where those guilty of genocide sell weapons to ruthless dictators and then more weapons to US tax payers to defeat the enemy they created, so long as our government is selected by this despicable infinitely greedy class so they can buy our oil and natural gas for pennies on the dollar and become billionaires selling our energy back to us; the OCCUPY WALL STREET movement is morally, legally, humanely and intelligently superior to the narcissistic wasted sperm of humanity that care only about themselves and their ill gotten gain.
phenom -- you forgot Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Bill and Hillary, Tom Hanks, George Clooney, Oprah, Magic Johnson, Steven Spielberg in your list of 1%ers. I almost forgot, Michael Moore. Arrives before the police do and gets out before he gets in trouble, probably back to the Ritz for room service.
There may be others as well.
For those "bustin'" on the cops. Are you idiots serious? A policeman has a job. He keeps the peace when people do not choose to abide by the laws. He is ordered here and there by his commander. Imagine him not following orders and doing his job. Now imagine the former policeman in the unemployment line and Occupy protestors attempting to recruit him.
This Occupy movement was instigated from direct ties to the White House...Working Families Party advertised for paid protesters, and Patrick Gaspard, Obama's appointed White House political director was the leading activist in the WFP. In other words, it appears our own White House is behind this. Unfortunately, this fiasco has only hurt the reputation of those behind it. As Egypt even stated, their movement to overthrow power was inspired by Obama's speech in 09, it seems this entire world malcontent began with ths admin. Now the 'brotherhood' is running those 'spring' countries. This US movement is supported by the Communist party, CAIR, Unions, etc. It appears they want to revert this country to a socialist dictatorship. It is sad to see our country, who had progressed as a civil power, begin to turn into a madhouse. Of course, that is the job of most community organizers direction...don't solve problems civilly, just riot to get what you want.
Nobody would complain if they just did their job
Not everyone can have a job anymore, people have to do something to bide their time. Maybe eventually they will turn some heads and make changes, I never could understand why ceo's make 3,4,5 and 6 hundred million a year when it should go back into peoples pockets, whats wrong with a normal salary like everyone else..Even so this is the land of the free more power to them, these cops should be thrown in jail.
3 officers suffered injuries. Tennis elbow from swinging their clubs
Kudos to the Tea Party
Kudos to the NYPD
Kudos to the Republican and Consrvative Parties
I don't understand why this is being viewed as a victory. So a handful of unemployed, pissed-off spoiled brats had nothing better to do than congregate and complain about their own stupidity. How is this anything to celebrate?
The fact that Michael Moore is piggybacking on this, yet another moment in the spotlight, only puts a punchline at the end of the joke.
These losers do not speak for me, and never will. They are not fighting for economic justice. They are fighting for free stuff. Nothing else.
If this is all they can do with the air and calories which they've freely taken from the environment, then frankly, they'd do society a bigger favor by converting themselves into fertilizer.
Oh man, I was so happy that all these trashy crapy people were gone for good, now we are going to start seeing trash and dirty dope-crack-heads again.... sh!!TT.
Well, they scampered off when the weather was cold and now they're back when the weather is warmer. They still don't have a cohesive plan or stated goals and sorry, but 'Wall Street and banks bad,' is not a goal or a demand. The only demands to date are forgiveness of student loans and entitlements. Gimme, gimme, gimme. That does not a protest make nor does crapping on the sidewalk a protest make. The one's behind the 'movement' only have the mantra of "republicans, teaparty bad' while offering no real solution to existing problems.
The democrats embracing the 'movement' are rather disengenuous, since they are the ones, along with the republicans, who continue to avoid true banking reforms (Dodd Franks is a joke) they are as deep into the pockets of special interest as those whom they pretend to demonize and Washington contiues to plow along because they realize that OWS is generally full of clueless 'demands' that are so scattered and off the wall that no one can get behind them. And, yes, I've read the 'manifesto.'
again why to protest :
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Just because some don't wont see or hear it does mean it is not relevant
Funny way to spend an anniversary.
Seriously, I don't get why people still support these "protestors." The fact that, once again, police, who have other things they need to be doing, had to stop a bunch of idiots from trashing their surroundings and becoming a public menace. Some even got hurt.
"This is our Spring offensive." LOL
Michael Moore called the park "sacred." Seriously? And what if the people in that neighborhood decide they want their park back? I would love to see every person that lives in that area go down and protest the protestors. Kick them out of their park.
These people are becoming quite the joke.
You have more than I do, and its just not fair, so you need to give me some of what you have. I went to college for 6 years and now I cant find a job as a poet anywhere, and my minor in art history isnt doing any good wither, but I deserve to live the good life, and I want somebody else to pay for it.
Michael Moore. Now there is someone to look up to. A true believer, he's one hundred percent behind the movement. Yeppers. The man is a crony-capitalist of the worst stripe, he's made millions off of his 'expose' of the evils of capitalism and yet he lives the wonderful and rich life of the 1% whom the protesters continuously rail about. Bless, them, if they had a clue they'd run his fat ass off so quick he'd never know what hit him. If they were serious, that is...
Collapsing posts is a sign of why people from the Tea Party to the OWS movement go block your traffic. You don't want to listen? ignore the poster. But when you stupidly collapse posts because you don't like them, two things happen:
1) The post DEFINITELY gets read
2) The poster feels the need to go say it somewhere frail minds can't collapse it.
Don't WHINE about the 'left' or the 'right' Wimp minds use that as an excuse.
Now, please, do me a favor and collapse this so it gets read.
Very good post, Derek. Collapsing a post doesn't make it disappear, dummies.
Not all protestors are people with fancy degrees in art, and other "nonsense" that you riffraff are fed. There are doctors, lawyers, war vets, nurses, teachers, people who HAD REAL JOBS, but lost them because some @$$ like Romney, came in fired everyone who had a LIVING WAGE, then either hired people at minimum wage, or shipped their jobs overseas, just to inflate profit, and their own bottom line.
To say protestors are lazy, just means that you have no real clue to what is really happening. The cost of a college education has gone through the roof over the past decade, with each year adding thousands to their price increase. Meanwhile, some poor kid, who is working two jobs, going to school, living on ramen, barely can make a dent in his tuition, and has no choice but to take out loans.
"Join the Military"! I love that comment, because those who say "Join the military" are the same idiots that don't want to pay taxes. Um.... WTH do you think the money for the military comes from? It does not magically appear. You want more kids to join the military to get an education, you're oging to have to cough up the dough for that, too.
The problem is quite simple to resolve: Pay people a decent, livable wage, and stop paying people, who failed at their jobs miserably, millions of dollars in bonuses.
I guess these kids still dont have jobs hehe. They should move to Washington D.C. There are plenty of jobs here due to the huge amount of Federal employees.
@StephAce..... I could have agreed with your post but you had to throw in the b.s. lie that there are "idiots that don't want to pay taxes." (Tea Party members obviously). Since you chose to to spew this falsehood, even though you know it is false, nothing else in your post has any meaning. Whether I agree with it or not.
while every-ones attention was focused on all this bulls..it; the House and senate with both Democrats and republican votes; passed hr 347 , IT was signed into law Thursday by the president; it is now a felony to protest, carry a sign, criticize the President, or an other elected official in public;while they have secret service present , the Constitution be damned, our politicians do not like the Constitution, it is a nuisance to them.
The OWS bowel movement might just expose that a ton of Wall Street money went to Obama and that many of his cabinet level appointees, czars and "westwing" employees are x-Wall Street-ers. Can you spell hypocrites?????????
I like how StephAce calls everyone who disagrees with her or the OWS movement "riffraff". That one single word speaks more about her true feelings than the entire rest of her little diatribe. Isn't that a word normally bandied about by rich upper-crust liberals (1%ers) when used to describe anyone below their station in life?
Also funny: the article says "People think the Occupy movement has gone away. It's important for people to see we're back."
We haven't forgotten about you, we are ignoring you.
StephAce,
I also think the protestors are kind of dumb. I think most truly just want to be a part of something. The protestors of the Vietnam War on college campuses, and those for civil rights are so romanticized, it draws the numbers. They want to tell their grandkids, "your granddaddy marched on Zucotti Park." Why don't they find the guys who make these huge bonuses, figure out what parent companies, subsidiaries they own and organize a boycott of those products or services. When a sports or celebrity spokesman does or says something stupid, what's the first thing that happens? They dump him or her. Just seems like they are all just out there beating drums, chanting into megaphones and hanging out.
Saxon: Thank you for bringing that up. Yes indeed, and once again, the lawmakers and adminstrators in Washington DC are industriously going about their business of dismembering the constitution. Patriot Act, NDAA and now HR 347. Seems those 'bickering and bi-partisan congress people' can indeed come together and git'erdone when the goal is destruction of civil rights. And all the silly little people ignore what is happening around them, bicker with and insult one another and all the while the rug is pulled out from underneath them and the floor is pulled out from the very foundations of the house.
Wonder how much outcry will be heard? If the Patriot Act and NDAA are any indication, well, not much. Americans stupidly had it all and let their 'government' piss it away. God Bless. yup...
Occupy Wall Street- M17- Zucatti Park - NYPD Arrests
No way the patriot act or any of that bush bs is constitutional!
So, we might as well toss the first amendment too. Is this what you are saying?
Folks if we do not dig in our heels and defend it, we are lost.
The ows is a bit of a nuissance and a tad silly but if we do not defend their right to peaceful assembly, we deserve what we are going to get. Can't you understand what Ron Paul has been telling you?
No way the NDAA or any of that Obama bs is constitutional either.
Interesting how Obama has now signed into law two bills that further strip away our civil rights. HR347 makes it a crime to enter an area where the president, VP or other nabob protected by the Secret Service is, even if you enter it unknowingly, like say you got lost and landed on the doorstep. Well, you are now a criminal because you entered said federal property. Additionally, Homeland Security can determine if an area or event falls within that venue, like say, the Superbowl. How come Homeland Security is now so all powerful? Should this raise a bit of concern to have one person in charge of Homeland Security being given so very much in term of power?
The head of Homeland Security can now declare you a terrorist, have you arrested without charges, detain you indefinitely and no judge or jury in sight. After Holder's little announcement, should you go off on vacation to another country, if you're deemed a terrorist, you can be killed. Oh, and the definitions for being branded a terrorist are vague, broad and all-encompassing. Homeschoolers and those of a libertarian bent, or anyone protesting the government (OWS and teaparty) is a potential terrorist.
Mygirl, I agree with you completely. We have to hold the government to the constitution, regardless which party is in control, it is our only safeguard and we are letting it slip.
In the past, the democratic party has been a defender of the first amendment, none of the others. In general the republicans have been a bit more conservative, now we only have the teaparty and some independents.
again please occupy
Iwonder: If the lovestruck Obama supporters would wake-up and smell the coffe then more people could come on board and protest (illegally since the passage of HR347) then something could and should be done. Many on the left, many former Obama supporters who actually have a brain are up in arms over the continuous and relentless destructions of our civil rights. This is coming from the Huffington Post...
"Just this past year the President who campaigned on 'hope' and 'change' - announced some galling changes -- with Congress (for the most part) rubber stamping each and every death blow to the Bill of Rights. President Obama has claimed the right to declare anyone a 'terrorist' or 'terrorist sympathizer' base on nothing other than Presidential opinion, and order their assassination. No evidence is required - at least none that the public can see. We are told to blissfully 'trust' our public officials even when they are unworthy of such trust. Now our right to protest, to be disruptive - has been criminalized as a federal felony."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanine-molloff/trespass-bill_b_1328205.html
My girl - I did not vote for Obama not will I this time around .
Please occupy.
Tao of Wow: if by occupy, you mean protest, you bet. I will not, however, attach myself to any movement with ill-defined goals and purpose. Many in OWS are well meaning and concerned, many others are anarchists and strife creators. I won't protest for abolishment of student loan debt, I will protest the continuing non-regulations (repeal of Glass steagal, Investment banking tied into commercial banking and lending, the continuation of support for public unions against the taxpaying public, the rising national debt, continued non-regulation of derivatives, the Federal Reserve, the politicans in the pockets of special interest groups, both sides of the aisle, etc.) that allowed for the financial collapse of 08. I don't support Obama in any way primarily because he is a continuation of Bush policies which have been seriously embellished and enlarged under Obama. Even Bush didn't have the gall to state that he could decide to kill an American citizen without due process.
Due process is the hallmark of the bill of rights and freedom, neither can exist without it.
Any person or party who is against due process is against personal freedom.
IWonder: 100% correct.
We have two hopes left, the supreme court and Ron Paul or someone like him, it's a crying shame that he isn't pretty or a good speaker.
Reminds me of, "for want of a nail, the shoe was lost". What a shame to lose freedom of a people for want of a good looking man.
Occupy is about many of those issues and even some in Occupy don't agree with everything. you do have a troublemakers some is just the exasperation of youth, others are not part of the group and taking advantage to cause discord, but most are getting together and talking about the issues and find common ground and shared principals.
Why Did Portland Police Use Paramilitary …
Sammy,
Spewing the above right-wing nonsensical statements, why are you not over at Fox?
Thankfully, you will be unsuccessful in hoodwinking or altering the fortitude of the progressives here.
Unless you are part of the 1%, the Occupy Wall Street protesters are fighting for you.
I don't think people realize that not only political campaigners hire bloggers so do corporations and lobbyists
Not all people here are sharing there thoughts with you.
Some are here earning a paycheck.
Maybe you?
In New Haven, Connecticut last week, a judge gave the 'occupy' campers on the city green 2 weeks to clean out their tarp-tents and leave. What looks like a camel driver's mosh pit zone has been there for 5 months. They say they will not leave until their demands have been met.
The list of demands includes 'expanded library hours', more government union jobs, a prohibition on any bank foreclosing on any house no matter the circumstances, and they want ...err 'demand'...that the Mayor of New Haven's salary to be set at the average wage level of all New Haven residents.
Regarding item #3....if banks are no longer able to foreclose on any houses due to long term lack of payment...why would anyone make a mortgage payment in the first place ??? Or are the dog-kicking, wife-beating members of the evil "1%" supposed to be the folks making their mortgage payments so nobody in the sainted and beloved "99%" will have to make theirs ???
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If these 'occupy' folks want to "fight for me" as you say they are, then they should go home. There were news articles all over Connecticut last week as the nation's last encampment was instructed to close up shop in 2 weeks by a judge. There were TV reports and articles all over the media...photos and videos show a group of protesting campers who most closely resemble the characters in the bar scene from the original 'Star Wars' movie.
I resent the fact that these twits think they represent me or my family in any way. Their so called 'representation' could only be considered to be an embarrassment.
Kenny Driessen, Sarcasticus1, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Tyler,
What about all of the comments collapsed by the community that don't violate any rules? Is that not a form of censorship? All opinions should be welcome here, not just the liberal ones.
VT, we're is a conjunction for we are; unless the article was edited since it was posted. I find it funny that 34 other people agreed with your correct while also incorrect correction.
@the article
OWS was always going to come back out into the open once the winter buggered off. Those that were rabidly repeating that it was dead were only trying to convince themselves while the rest of us knew they would be back.
Looking forward to seeing a re-energizing of the movement over the summer, I do not think they should quit until our capitalism no longer runs on full-throttle greed.
They didn't learn the first time? I've lost all hope with this crowd, it's become more of a nuisance than a benefit to society...
Whatever they "learned," I'm sure the're putting to good use now!
Here is some reasons to occupy
youTube:
Florida congressman Alan Grayson laughs in Ben Bernanke's face, priceless!
Feb. 8, 2012 OUSD board meeting Occupy the Hood Mic Check
Charlottesville City Council Mic Check!
TRNN TOWN HALL: Does Baltimore Need $100 Million Youth Prison?
Occupy Whatcom County Council |
Occupy BellinghamChris Hedges
Occupy the Courts NY Jan 20 2012 w/ Lawrence Lessig Occupy Wall St
BEST OCCUPY MOVIE, REVOLT, RESIST, The Elegant Symmetry of Hypocrisy, I am not moving..
Mic Check! Ohio Students Interrupt Gas Industry
[Orignal full version] 1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (By. J. handy)!
It has been a great Benefit to the Tea Party and conservatives. In 2010 and before the Left was trying to make out the Tea Party, conservatives, any one on the right, etc. as Being "Extremists", too radical, dangerous, etc. and they were able to get away with it because there was nothing in recent history to compare the Tea Party Movement to.
Compared to the 'Occupiers" the Tea Party has been , well, a Tea Party.
Good luck at trying to ridicule the Tea Party as being "Extremists", radicals, etc. in 2012 when the American people can now see who the real extremists, radicals, and terrorists are.
All one has to do now is ask how many thousands of Tea Partiers were arrested at protests, how many American Flags did Tea Partiers Burn, How many millions of dollars in damage did the Tea Partiers do to public and private property, how many ports did the Tea Partiers shut down, etc. then ask those same questions about the "occupiers".
Read the complete --- “OWS – Manifest” --- by: Michael L Marowitz.
The message of OWS ought not to be lost because many of its participants are young, leaderless, filthy or clean. They share one thing in common—they’re unemployed or underemployed, as are many Americans. The message is simple: America is politically corrupt. Corporations now dictate public policy. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are now bought and sold to act in the best interests of their contributors, and not in the best interests of the public. Our representative democracy has been reduced to a corporate oligarchy.
………………………………………………………………(Two more pages)……………
In other words, OWS stopped believing in right-wing propaganda and are demanding economic equity and an end to political corruption. Their message will survive their end because it’s the main fight over the future of the United States.
#285.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST
Harry there's another Manifest called the "Communist Manefesto"
What about Left Wing Propaganda? Oops I forget. Right wing propaganda BAD. Left wing Propaganda GOOD.
Don't forget to read the "Manifesto".
Steven,
You either believe in economic injustice or you are too obtuse to understand the devastation that economic inequality bring to societies.
You are to be pitied, then educated.
You are not offended by the illegal shenanigans by Wall Street and the Big Banks.
The above entities are responsible for the foreclosure on the homes of millions of our citizens, trillions of dollars lost in investments, trillions of dollars lost in retirement pensions, the loss of millions of American jobs, the lost of access to health care, education, and other life-long devastating events that many of Americans must now contend with for the rest of their live.
Your antipathy for the Occupy Wall Street people only illuminates the staggering ignorance that exists amoung our citizenry.
Harry winter2 - Too bad no politician will BUY into your idols manifesto. The left will only give it lips service to get votes and the right will dismiss it because of its blatent bias. We of the real 98% see it for what it is, half truths and ignorance on human individuality as OWS attempts to sell MOB MENTALITY as being righteous.
Harry Winter, I don't know what economic equity means?
The demands of the Occupy Movement are clear: it is time to restore the equality that America once had!
It is time for the big banks to be broken up.. again.
It is time for justice on Wall Street!
Clear goals? Don't make me laugh... Half of them want to completely end capitalism and the other half just want changes to the system.
Really? If even "only half" want to "CHANGE THE SYSTEM" then... let's add another verse to John Lennon's "Revolution"!
Man on man, do I (still...!) want to change the system. Yes, even after 40 years....
You've missed the point, the group (as a whole) doesn't have a reasonable set of goals. And no, ending capitalism isn't one of them.
steven-4013747,
"...ending capitalism" isn't and shouldn't be one of their goals....
Ending the "Corporate-USA-government," on the other hand, is exactly the goal. How do you not see that?
Ending capitalism "Isn't" one of their goals? Go watch the Oakland OWS protests and tell me that again.
steven-4013747,
...and I can say watch NYC or Chicago or LA (etc.); or London or Paris or Berlin (etc.)....
(In the USA, well I can tell you: check Burlington, Rutland, White River Juntion, Bennington.........)
"Ending" capitalism isn't the goal. Having a free market (in the literal, Economic sense) is the goal.
If you still don't get it maybe it's 'cause you don't want to. Not all anti-monopolists end up socialists (even if the Right/GOP/TEAs say otherwise.) Do some study on your own.
These poor little whiney morons have had their 15 minutes of semi-fame. They need to get a life, go find a ____ing job like responsible people do, and stop whining and expecting people to hand them things. And that fat fool Michael Moore? He simply needs to shut up.
Are you suggesting that a significant amount of people in the OWS crowd don't want to end capitalism? BTW, the banks don't have a monopoly, that's quite illegal. However I'm not saying they haven't commited "questionable" acts which ended-up screwing over millions...
here is some reasons
youTube:
Florida congressman Alan Grayson laughs in Ben Bernanke's face, priceless!
Feb. 8, 2012 OUSD board meeting Occupy the Hood Mic Check
Yay it's time again to rape,rob,kill,pillage,shoot up and crap on cop cars. That'll teach those 1 percenters a thing or two.
OWS, regardless of its goals, is pointing at the root of the problem.
That is, the influence of the super rich in our country has more say then the combined voice of the rest of America. The fact the combined wealth of the super rich is in excess of the combined wealth of the rest of America is a further slap in the face.
The problem is, however, global and systemic. Do you know why there are CEO's that are treated like all stars? Being paid and begged to come into companies? That is because business itself has become inhumane. The level of competition, the kind of decisions that need to be made. These companies are failing in the first place because its former management tried treating its constituents like human beings. These mercenary CEO's that turn companies around come in and turn the culture upside down, into another high stress predatory business model.
Even if we could make changes here, we can't force the rest of the globe to play nice. We'll lose all of our business overseas then.
The best thing for America to do is completely remove itself from global politics. Lay low, appease who we need to, and wait for our competition to destroy themselves. And they will, because they value the dollar more then basic human ethics.
The Democrats could have broken up the big banks, re-instituted the Glass-Steagall act provisions which required that commercial and Investment banking to be separate entities when they did the Frank-Dodd financial reform bill in 2010.
The Democrats had the power in 2010. There were many calls to re-instigate the Glass- Steagall act but the Democrats refused to do it. I believe they went for what they call "Glass-Steagall light" called the "Volkner rule"
If your not happy with the 2300 page financial reform bill, the Frank-Dodd bill that was passed by the Democrats and signed into law in 2010, then maybe you had better take that up with the Democrats...
Read the complete --- “OWS – Manifest” --- by: Michael L Marowitz.
The message of OWS ought not to be lost because many of its participants are young, leaderless, filthy or clean. They share one thing in common—they’re unemployed or underemployed, as are many Americans. The message is simple: America is politically corrupt. Corporations now dictate public policy. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are now bought and sold to act in the best interests of their contributors, and not in the best interests of the public. Our representative democracy has been reduced to a corporate oligarchy.
………………………………………………………………(Two more pages)……………
In other words, OWS stopped believing in right-wing propaganda and are demanding economic equity and an end to political corruption. Their message will survive their end because it’s the main fight over the future of the United States.
#285.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST
jb- Channeling Brightbart rhetoric, these things have been debunked, but it does make you feel better, to cast a bad light on a movement, for things that have been done to them, or what a few bad people did?
Steven, you say "However I'm not saying they haven't commited "questionable" acts which ended-up screwing over millions...".
Would you oppose legal sanctions that made those acts illegal , rather than just "questionable?
And do you think that supporting such santions is an attempt to bring down capitalism?
hummbird...perhaps you just have a different definition of rape...different than those that have been reported and documented in police reports...oh yeah Occupy groups can police themselves...
Get out pervert...get out pervert...get out pervert...
The OWS bowel movement might just expose that a ton of Wall Street money went to Obama and that many of his cabinet level appointees, czars and "westwing" employees are x-Wall Streters. Can you spell hypocrites?????????
So much for a peaceful movement. These people are NOT representing much of the country, especially with their shenanigans. For once, I side with the police here. Three police officers suffered injuries?? What's up with that?
please link
The picture at least at this spot show people sitting with several rows of cops.
"This summer I hear the drummin'
four dead in Ohio...."
Millennials -- GO!!!!
Linda M
Please read the complete --- “OWS – Manifest” --- by: Michael L Marowitz.
The message of OWS ought not to be lost because many of its participants are young, leaderless, filthy or clean. They share one thing in common—they’re unemployed or underemployed, as are many Americans. The message is simple: America is politically corrupt. Corporations now dictate public policy. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are now bought and sold to act in the best interests of their contributors, and not in the best interests of the public. Our representative democracy has been reduced to a corporate oligarchy.
………………………………………………………………(Two more pages)……………
In other words, OWS stopped believing in right-wing propaganda and are demanding economic equity and an end to political corruption. Their message will survive their end because it’s the main fight over the future of the United States.
#285.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST
"This is the beginning. This park is sacred ground for millions across the country."
Preaching holy war?? Pilgrimage to Zuccotti Park before you go to heaven??
Our Spring has started, And there will be more of Occupy Movement, The People started this Country Not Wall-Street, Not the Ultra Rich or Wealthy but the People, Our Government Has over step on the rights of the People believing that Wall-Street the Wealthy the Big banks would be the solution, If anything they have been the Problems and created the Problems we face Today, Our Country without change is no longer part of the people and will need major change, Listen to some of the Nut cases Running for President Now they are talking on Controlling our Sex Life, Telling Women they have no right to use Birth Control. Taking our Freedom of being American Away, That what made us so great and that what others in the world look forward to, Now they despise american as they see us just letting the Politicians our Government, Corporation the Wealthy take away our freedoms, We the People have had enough and will stand up for our rights, and will demand change, We are not going to take it anymore, either get with the change or get out of our way, as your way is ending!
Actually the people who formed this country were quite wealthy...
@ steven-4013747
"Actually the people who formed this country were quite wealthy... "
The people who fought for this country were basic "live-off-the-land" types and craftsmen; the people who "formed" this country (Founding Fathers) were, yes indeed, wealthy; but nowhere NEAR as wealthy as today's wealthy are.
Check some history. It might just astound you.
Wealthy is a good goal. Not a bad thing.
Yes I know that those who fought weren't rich, but that doesn't mean that the fighters and the ones who founded the country didn't have the same goal in mind. Proportionally speaking, the "rich" back then were just a wealthy as they are today. I also recall that George Washington was quite wealthy and he led the army into battle.
Actually many of the soldiers fighting with George Washington were so poor that they had to wear rags on their feet in the middle of winter with snow covering the ground.....no, they were not rich, they simply were a stong people who only wanted their freedom. Be grateful for the life that you enjoy today for many many Americans gave their life that you may enjoy yours.
@leroy2112,
. "Wealthy is a good goal. Not a bad thing."
No, it's not -- goals are a good thing.
But remember Aesop's fable about the fox and the grapes: an unobtainable "goal" becomes a "sour" thing no one strives for anymore.
Thank you captain obvious. I said that George Washington was relatively wealthy, not the soldiers...
Karen, your posts have the sophistication of a two year old. Please read your posts again before clicking "post comment"
Actually the people that formed this country were avg people, the people that wrote the documents were wealthy. The PEOPLE all of them formed the country,not the document writers,the people voted on the documents,then fought the war, that formed the country not just writing a piece of paper.
Scott, buddy, please take an English writing class before you post.
Was somebody wanting to outlaw birth control? Or were they just refusing to pay for it for other people?
steven-4013747,
. "Thank you captain obvious. I said that George Washington was relatively wealthy, not the soldiers..." Were you speaking to art-2065319? (Please, be specific about to whom you're speaking)...
and...
"Karen, your posts have the sophistication of a two year old. Please read
your posts again before clicking "post comment"
Uh, OK! I'll check and double-check my posts for "two-year-old"-isms.
You, steven-4013747, please check your posts for accuracy: earlier (5.4) you said "quite wealthy"; now, you say "relatively wealthy...."
Please.... Take a stand; and once you take "a stand," have the b@lls to stand by it.
Yes, I was talking to art. My mistake.
It doesn't matter if I said "relatively" or "quite". It doesn't change the fact that they were MUCH better-off than the rest of the people.
grammar police are the people educated , since we fell to 30th in the world , these people spell and make perfect sentences but their logic ,reasoning and common sense are totally gone. Most of them have no idea what the United States Constitution says, why it was written, as in the evens that led to it.The don't know the history of this country,they don't know how our government system works, but they all think they are super smart because of their spelling and grammar skills,when in fact they are totally brain washed non free thinking people, with canned answers they have been programmed to repeat.They look at grammar rather than the content of the message,as a way to discredit free thinking people. Its really not their fault they were brain washed and have no idea. Find a way to make your self different, see everything as different,these are also things they were brain washed to do, 99 points out 100 ,of 2 events in history could match up exactly, and you 30th in the world people would use the one thing that was different to claim the two evens were totally different and unrelated.Seeing it from that insane view would also make you feel very smart.
steven-4013747,
Ahh.... "It doesn't matter if...." The whole point of OWS street is:
IT DOES MATTER. How do you not "get" this?
Someone being 100 times more wealthy than I (as long as I'm not an illiterate beggar) is NOT the same as someone being 1,000 times more wealthy than I (when I, too, went to University [and might also have an MBA]).
It was true in "Gatsby's" time, and 1,000 as true today: "the rich get richer and the poor get - children."
You obviously don't know how to use quotes...
Steven, please stop with the grammar lessons. That is so childish. The thought is more important that the spelling or punctuation. That is a common tactic of a verbal/ emotional abuser and is not needed on a public forum.
"Someone being 100 times as wealthy as I (assuming I'm not an illiterate beggar) is NOT the same as someone being 1,000 times as wealthy as I (when I, too, went to University [and might also have an MBA])"
Excuse me VTKaren, but just how, exactly, does someone else having 100 times (or even 1,000 times) more wealth than you do impact what you have? Even if you do have an MBA, how is that relevant? For all I know, you graduated at the bottom of your class, while the one you envy so was on the dean's list and passed with honours. Or maybe, just maybe, he/she worked harder than you did.
In spite of the attempts by those on the left to mis-educate, the American economy is not a static thing. It's dynamic, with people constantly moving between different economic and social strata. Very few who are "poor" today will remain so 10 years from now, while some of the "1%" will, though mis-management or simply gross over spending, see their position dramatically lowered. The fact remains that just because someone else $10M, it doesn't mean that I have a single dollar less.
I had thought those of us lucky to live in Vermont (the natives, at least) still had a firm grip on common sense. Unfortunately, the contagion that is OWS has infected our state, as well. Calvin Coolidge would be greatly disappointed, I'm sure.
a recent analysis placed George Washington as the richest President of all 44. wealthy people have been an important part of America since its beginning. condemning wealth is no more than a class warfare.
President Lincoln is consistently ranked at or near the top of all Presidents and said this:
“There is no permanent class of hired laborers amongst us. Twenty five years ago I was a hired laborer. The hired laborer of yesterday labors on his own account today; and will have others to labor for him tomorrow. Advancement…improvement in condition….is the order of things in a society of equals.”
Abraham Lincoln…16th President of the United States
March 4, 1861-April 15, 1865.
I suggest this is equally valid today. I look forward to the opinion of others.
Lets put the poor in charge of the country, they really know how to get things done, or maybe they dont and thats why they are poor to begin with.
children...be nice.
VtKaren...remember that 100$ 200 years ago was like...well...much more to us today.
justsayin'...sure, sometimes, but when you quote someone it IS important on how...and don't accuse someone of being a verbal abuser, Dr Phil. One could say you are a narcissitic poser...but that would be rude.
Read the complete --- “OWS – Manifest” --- by: Michael L Marowitz.
The message of OWS ought not to be lost because many of its participants are young, leaderless, filthy or clean. They share one thing in common—they’re unemployed or underemployed, as are many Americans. The message is simple: America is politically corrupt. Corporations now dictate public policy. Both Republican and Democratic politicians are now bought and sold to act in the best interests of their contributors, and not in the best interests of the public. Our representative democracy has been reduced to a corporate oligarchy.
………………………………………………………………(Two more pages)……………
In other words, OWS stopped believing in right-wing propaganda and are demanding economic equity and an end to political corruption. Their message will survive their end because it’s the main fight over the future of the United States.
#285.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST
Karen, so there should be a limit to how much more wealthy a person can be than you? Wouldn't you also say that it's ridiculous that professional athletes make $ tens of millions per year for playing a game? How about actors who make $ tens of millions per year pretending to be somebody else on camera? How is that fair for those of us who have a university education, work hard and make $70K /yr?
It's not that I think that CEO's are actually worth the big money they make, but I especially don't want government stepping in to say what everyone's earning limit should be. That is the end for a free people. Remember, you do have the right to work and become a ridiculously overpaid CEO if you want to.
This is true, but those children don't just fall from the sky. The poorest people produce offspring at the highest rates in all demographics.
Let's think about this logically: No matter how much money we confiscate from hard working and responsible people to subsidize those who breed offspring they can't feed, ultimately we end up with ever-greater masses of poor populations. Then people start calling for MORE money to be taken from us for MORE taxes for MORE social programs, and lament how the gap between the wealthy and poor is growing, and people still want to blame "the wealthy".
Harry...
At the New Haven, CT occupy encampment...the only site that's still going after 5 months in the tents, newspaper reports typically state that over the half the campers are members of the 'homeless' community that moved to tent city for the porta-johns and free food. One such camper was quoted as stating that he didn't like the city's shelters because there were "too many rules".
No doubt.
Please don't try to make these people out to be more than they are or instruct the rest of us on how lofty and wonderful their motives truly are. For the majority of so-called 'protesters' in New Haven...it's more about "three hots and a cot".
Here is some reasons to occupy
youTube:
Florida congressman Alan Grayson laughs in Ben Bernanke's face, priceless!
Feb. 8, 2012 OUSD board meeting Occupy the Hood Mic Check
Charlottesville City Council Mic Check!
TRNN TOWN HALL: Does Baltimore Need $100 Million Youth Prison?
Occupy Whatcom County Council | Occupy BellinghamChris Hedges Occupy the Courts NY Jan 20 2012 w/ Lawrence Lessig Occupy Wall St
BEST OCCUPY MOVIE, REVOLT, RESIST, The Elegant Symmetry of Hypocrisy, I am not moving..
Mic Check! Ohio Students Interrupt Gas Industry
[Orignal full version] 1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (By. J. handy)!
Ease up on the caffeine, KAREN.
leroy2112,
Thanks for the concern.
I've been waiting for the rejuvenation of OWS/99% and I am exuberant! You are a caring man.
Karen
but your 99% crowd is really only about 1% of Americans. And only has the support of about 30% of Americans.Your message isn't so bad but the way you deliver it is wrong.
Thank you Leroy,
Such reason is well appreciated :)
Karen, as long as your set to fight can you include the unions donating to Democrats. Unions are not people either.If occupy only defunds one party then we will have a one party system. LIKE CHINA. Each party should have a cap. Say about $200 million. Donations have become like an ARMS RACE.
Leroy, we only have a one party system already. I agree that unions and corporations should be stopped from donating to candidates.
Are you people all brain washed Americans, these people have been beaten up along with reports ,for months, they have a right to gather ,says the Constitution of the United States, the police are the ones you see standing over people on the ground, its not the other way around. THe violence by police has been documented all over, of course it has not been on the main stream news much,because they are really trying to hide the fact that ,we live in a total police state, and you will see as the Constitution goes father down the tube, at some point that you should have been out there with the real Americans. They are peaceful but how long do you stay that way when you have been met with violence for months? The police create the violence to turn you against the people standing up for you rights as Americans.The police are the ones that have been given military training and weapons not the OWS people, The police are supposed to protect and serve ! The people ! Throwing a bottle at a bus is wrong but did the bus get hurt,did it need a hospital NO.
The police enforce the rule of law, period, and the idiot OWS fools are the ones who WILL continue to go to jail when they break laws, which they continue to do. And the police DO protect us from nutcases like you.
It is becoming, the police enforce what those in power tell them to.
@Kraussk, "the idiot OWS fools are the ones who WILL continue to go to jail",, they have chosen to exercise their right to assemble in protest of a system that they know is corrupt and heavy handed with those that don't follow the "rule of law". You call them fools and nutcases, fine that's your right, your still part of the 99%, that basically means your existence and future is being decided by those that control the money and the nations debt. One day you will understand, it's simply unavoidable. One day you may find yourself sympathizing as you realize your true place among the "fools".
That right to assemble does not the right to assemble and break the law. If the law says no camping in the park, why do they think they have the right to break it and not suffer the consequences.
justsaying...police do their job. Unfortunately, they could be out fighting true crime, but instead, they get sent down amongst these idiots because they won't follow rules that have been set forth that pertain to ALL of us.
Stop accusing the cops of being dirty...stop accusing the cops of abusing their power. Yes, like in every profession, there are bad ones. But the majority are good men and women who put their lives on the line for us every day. Do you not think those three that were hurt have families that dread every time the phone rings that something happened to their mother or father because some scum got lucky?
I know some cops...all good people...and I for one am tired of all those who show no respect because of some twisted sense of unfairness who put down the police and try to spread their hatred.
You break the law, you get arrested.
Yep bluepanther20, typical response that I would hear from you. These protesters aren't being idiots and they are following rules. The cops are abusing them, there has been several cases of police brutality, there has been proven instances of the police paying and sending criminals to the sites to start problems. There have been false flag operations started by police posing as protesters.
The protesters are actually fighting for the cops interests. You know the ones who are getting laid off while the government rewards Wall Street with Bailouts and corporate welfare. Well guess what, there are laws and then there is whats right. It was illegal for a black person to sit at the front of the bus. Is Rosa Parks some criminal for refusing, therefore stopping the bus and people from getting to numerous places, work, families, funerals, weddings, school, etc. While Rosa Parks refuses to move, therefore stopping the bus and bringing in cops to arrest her. Wasting everyone's time. Was she wrong? No, and the reason why is because the laws were unjust.
Same can be said about the suffrage movement and the labor protests and labor movement that helped end brutality at the work place. These are influential and all had problems and no one is ashamed or upset at them unless they are racist or hate freedom. Occupy is protesting and fighting for real issues and while you have your people who do bad stuff, it is organized, they have meetings, and they work together to get stuff done. That is what happens at protests, you will have arrests. Every single protest rally has had arrests. It happens.
Instead of 75% of your funding going towards bail money, spend it on permits to have legal protests. Anarchy is not the way to fix the world. Can't you have protests without breaking laws. Your message is basicly the same as the tea party and they don't destroy stuff. And they got some results.
The Civil Rights movement and every protest movement has had people who made bad choices, that doesn't mean that we thought the civil rights movement, labor movement, suffrage movements, etc, were all pointless. Also the Occupy Movement has had results as well and has changed the political and social structure in many ways. The tea-party doesn't protest, they have held rallies and they are much worse than Occupy. There has been arrests and tea-party destroying stuff but also the tea-party is affiliated with domestic terrorist groups, extremist groups, racist groups, border vigilantes, and more and they share the same ideology that right wing terrorist groups also share that many are affiliated with the tea-party. These people have committed domestic terrorism, murder, assault, vandalism, rape, etc. So have also been bought out by politicians, corporations, and right wing special interest groups, and they have infiltrated government and has done nothing but harm to this country, by passing extremist laws and policies like justifiable homicide, letting a woman die in the hospital if her pregnancy is hurting her, and all sorts of other extremist policies. Occupy is protesting and actually protesting for real issues, the tea-party doesn't protest, they have held some rallies during the day and they are affiliated with people who have committed domestic terrorism.
John I think the police are there because the protesters are breaking the law. Zocotti park is private property and there are rules about camping and staying overnight and even spreading blankets on the ground.
Do you own property? Are you willing to allow people to camp out on it or trash it without calling the police.
Sign up at the OWS website where you can agree to share everything you have with everybody else.
cinema...in no way does this movement compare to the civil rights or the suffrage movements.
why is that pluepanther
bluepanther20, what do you mean, this movement doesn't compare? What gives you that authority? We are suffering from record high student loan debt, inequality, poverty, democracy is being limited, and much more. These are serious issues that hurt, not just white males, but all races, genders, and sexual orientation. We are all suffering from the current problems and Occupy is demanding changes and protesting to make sure those changes happen. If there is no public outcry, the government will just allow themselves to do whatever they want. There has not been an actual protest movement since the Civil Rights Movement. Occupy is the first movement. Look what has happened since the Civil Rights. More abusive laws, the rising police state, rising debt, rising student loan debt, increasing poverty, and inequality and much more. Now that a group of people decided to take a stand, the cops and the government has tried to suppress their free speech which is why problems are happening, because they are arresting the protesters, abusing the protestors, and even staging false flag operations against the protesters to hurt the movement. The government has not in anyway tried to work with the protesters to find any kind of common ground, just lock them up and shut them up, that has been the response. Well as soon as the protesters shut up, we are all going to lose because then its just going to be the government controlling us and doing whatever they want and allowing Wall Street to continue screwing us over and buying out politicians and making bets against America's interests. Yes, this protest movement can compare to the civil rights and the suffrage movement.
And if you existed during the Suffrage movements and Civil Rights movements, you would probably be against them as well because of the vandalism and conflicts and arrest that happened. You would be saying the same thing. Occupy will be successful and its reputation will be much more great after its all done because people will see the importance and influence and therefore will say positive things about it.
Please don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen...could be dangerous to your health.
Hey steven....you need to get a grip on life kid. You've got a few bad apples on both sides. Some ultra-greedy capitalists and some rowdy protesters. Bottom line......OCCUPY's not goin away. Got it? Things are just warmin up..........Just warmin up.
good luck with that. I see the protests are making much progress...
Much progress?? Actually, they are turning off more and more Americans with their antics!
Didn't catch the sarcasm?
ricker....lol...oh ok. Just please, stop comparing these idiots to people like MLK and Rosa Parks. They aren't even close.
Yeah linda...read his other posts...Steven is deffinitely a believer (more sarcasm...)
Would Ghandi & Jesus Christ be a better comparison ? Or how about Clyde Kadiddlehopper from the old Red Skelton playbook ?
"... Throwing a bottle at a bus is wrong but did the bus get hurt,did it need a hospital NO."
Using the same logic----if you shoot a pistol at a person's head, miss, but hit the windshield of a car, there is no crime? After all, the car did not go to the hospital to get the windshield replaced. Correct?
I think there are laws against discharging firearms and they are a bit more dangerous than a bottle, comparing guns to a bottle would make you a total idiot,are there any free thinking Americans here ?That are not total idots?
I think there are laws against throwing bottles at the police.
Steve every single comment you made shows you have not ,listened to anything they have said from day one,. Did the feds pay you for those silly comments? BAIL OUTS ARE NOT CAPITALISM in capitalism when you fail you go out of business, your statements are pretty much retarded i will assume maybe a bank payed you to make them. BAIL OUTS ARE SOCIALISM for the rich,then they look at avg Joe and tell him we have to cut ,things for you. Its all pretty obvious why they are out there, unless you have been living in a cave since 2008. Between 2008 and 2010 the amount of homeless children in the US Doubled, Why isn't anyone talking about that? Poverty in the US is at record levels ! There are no JOBS, those 3 things should cover why they are out there,just asking that or saying you don't know why they are out there makes you an idiot, Have you been on another planet the past few years? Mars maybe or what?
Elaborate on why you think I am pro-bailout...
John.... We have all listened to what these people have said...which is why we STILL don't follow.
When you proudly get on national television and say you want your student loans erased and how you can't find a job (um...because you are in the park for months on end??) and how you are a student (who must have really cool teachers to let you miss classes while you are in a park for months on end??) and shout obscenities to police and attack pedestrians who are just trying to go about heir own busines, who take over neighborhoods like a bunch of cockroaches and THEN complain how you are being trated unfairly by the same cops you screamed at and who's cars you trashed, we still don't follow, and, quite frankly, don't care to.
I paid for my schooling...still am...managed to get a good job...and I pay my own way. No husband, no parents, no rich inheritence...and I still manage to be happy.
Wale up, darlin.'
John...
Listening to 'anything they have said from day one' wouldn't clarify much for most people. Am I and everyone else actually supposed to take as gospel whatever these tarp covered, shepherd-wannabes feel like saying on any given day ???
Go on the website for the 'New Haven Register' and pull up the photos and videos from all the news the campers in New Haven, Connecticut made last week. Take a good look at the people you think need to be 'listened to' by the rest of America.
the most effective form of protest is to limit the amount of money you give the government.
this tax season we can all play a decisive role in the occupy movement.
Occupy the IRS !
www.taxkilla.com
I knew they were going to come back when the weather got better. Mayor Bloomberg, they're Baaaaack!
Now I want to see them Occupy K Street, the Worker Bees for Wall Street...
I have a Feeling this is going to be a long Hot Summer.
Oh Yeah, Occupy Big Oil too!
ted -- how about occupy hollywood, the nba, the nfl, march madness...
So Michael Moore thinks he is part of the 99%? I heard Michael is going to share his wealth with everybody at the next Rainbow family gathering!
I think Obama is going to get elected again. What will he do to with OWS crowd? More change we can believe.
Michael Moore did not scam people and cheat them and take government bailouts, He earned his money!
Here is some reasons to occupy
youTube:
Florida congressman Alan Grayson laughs in Ben Bernanke's face, priceless!
Feb. 8, 2012 OUSD board meeting Occupy the Hood Mic Check
Charlottesville City Council Mic Check!
TRNN TOWN HALL: Does Baltimore Need $100 Million Youth Prison?
Occupy Whatcom County Council | Occupy Bellingham
Chris Hedges Occupy the Courts NY Jan 20 2012 w/ Lawrence Lessig Occupy Wall St
BEST OCCUPY MOVIE, REVOLT, RESIST, The Elegant Symmetry of Hypocrisy, I am not moving..
Mic Check! Ohio Students Interrupt Gas Industry
[Orignal full version] 1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (By. J. handy)!
ski...
Don't worry....Mr. Obama will be licking the necks of the occupy crowd well before November.
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, the Supreme Court has applied the First Amendment to each state.
Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, the Supreme Court has applied the First Amendment to each state.
Homeland security and the Patriot Act nullifies 1st amendment along with many others if you press it. Anything that threatens can be treated as a act of sedition allowing those responsible to be detained indefinitetly. Ben Franklin once said "Those who give up freedom for security, deserve neither." The people must defend their country from all enemies foreign and domestic.Think about that one and choose what America you want, as for me give me liberty. I thought almost all my life America stood for Truth, Justice, and the American way. Now I am not so sure anymore.
Freedom of Assembly Clause restrictions
The right to assemble is not an absolute right. There are some restrictions on this right as there are with other rights. The right to assemble is not as strongly protected by the government as other rights, such as the freedom of speech. This is because groups that assemble often do so, not with just speech, but with some type of conduct, such as picketing, protesting, marching or gathering in a park, which may disrupt the peace.
The courts have ruled that, while it is the responsibility of the government to protect the people's right to assemble, it is also the government's responsibility to keep the peace. Because of this, the courts have allowed governments to make reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of these assemblies. The government may place restrictions on the right to assemble that will maintain law and order, facilitate traffic, protect private property and reduce noise congestion.
http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/freedom-of-assembly-clause.html#ixzz1cHs37Gka
"Congress shall make no law... abridging...the right of the people peaceably to assemble..."
abridge-
to reduce length and/or curtail.
Yes Steve the laws have been changed many times. Like the recent one to protect elected officials from past insider trading. WTO has been protested against worldwide but the protesters are made out to be wacko's and the restrictions on protests are inforced with violent defense. Even though protesters are kept very far away from delegates.
This will only grow as the gap widens.
As if everyone saw an understood the light house.We are here.
Weather must be warming up. I guess there is a protest season these days. Hope they bring their umbrellas for shade and of course the 'switch-chango' weather that plagues NYC in the spring.
I wish them well but seriously I think they have lost some momentum with the whole occupy deal. They need to organize a little now in an election year.
I have no doubt Obama will have his 4 more years but it won't hurt to remind his team that more effort is required to help that nation get back on it's feet and bring a few of these vultures to justice. Some of the biggest and most recognized brands are part of the problem. They need to be brought to heel.
The whole Globalization thing is wrecking countries like the US and creating slave clusters around the world. Not sure why nations think that is perfectly ok to forsake the well-being of their citizens for the benefit of a small proportion of it's population.
Serfdom here we come...which nation has the cheapest slaves? That will be the eternal , ever evolving question.
destroying the developed countries was always the ultimate goal of free trade.the rich meet and discuss how this destruction will take place and to what degree.when the russian president is telling us that we have to have an even lower standard of living doesnt that tell you something.we the people have no say in things.the trick for the rich will be to ease us into third world status slowly so we become acclimated to it and dont revolt.since their very lives will be forfeit if they arent careful im sure the best minds our country has are on the job.the end result will be a one world government.the bible speaks of it.itll be no friend to us thats for sure.you see the evil governments do now.imagine a government that answers to noone.with the proliferation of nuclear weapons world wide maybe a heavily authoritarian government is necessary for the survival of mankind.it just wont be a world thats worth living in
The zombie hordes.
lol That thing is still going on?
I know, isn't it great? I can't WAIT for November.
Neither can I! I hope and yes, pray that there is a BIG change and not one led by Obama!
It will be cold in November and they will retreat back to mommy and daddy's basement.
naw...more like Florida...that way they can sleep on the beach...
This story makes no since. The people want freedom,peace,and truth.
"This story makes no since."
Since when?
Mo...lol...thank you.
I see the parents of these occupiers said get outta the house tonight and go protest..me and your father would like to be alone.
ROFL.....awesome observation and probably very, very true. Love it!
so small
they are just union paid protestors. nothing special, nothing "grassroots", just nothing but annoying, and hypocritical in that Unions are super corrupt and shoudnt be talking about people taking money from people. I am forced to belong to aunion for the fist time at this job and they do notbing for me, take money, and Im treated worse here then Ive ever been no union. I DO know that our union has encourage and offered money to people to protest at occupy. I wont have anything to do with it.
I disagree . please see post #1.6
George -935705 and Tao of wow,
You do know private-sector union membership (aka, "unionism") is below 8% in the USA... right?
I mean, every time you "mouth off" about unions, you're talking about 7.6% of private sector workers....
PLEASE, tell me... exactly whom are you talking about????
Karen please see post #1.6 and #25.1 were i wrote i disagree
And you're just another paid TROLL.
AyersOfelia- how about honest jobs that has ethics