San Diego T-party??/ isn't that kinda like the Miami Eskimoes

sanka44: Gov. Romney and President Obama are NOT running for CEO of a company.

Wow, Sanka44 is like the physical incarnation of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I break everything down into symbolic logic as a natural habit from training, and it's literally incoherent statements followed by blatent ad-hominem projection. To call it inane would be such a grievous understatement I might as well spit on English itself.

Nibien............You had better run that by him again. I would bet he thinks you gave him an "atta boy!"

Typical Rethug, some "family" values?

No, he is not a typical Republican, any more than Blagojevich was a typical Democrat. This guy is just another sleezy politician. They are not all bad. But the bad apples occur on both sides of the aisle.

@Sanka44 - You say you speak four languages? Mmmm. I have been told that a person with a poor vocabulary resorts to cursing. If you have such a poor vocabulary in English, can anyone imagine the vocabulary you have in the "other three languages you speak?"

I'm sure the Tea party would be thrilled if the '' foreign object'' was an illegal alien!

And dman-353357 ... after watching the Republican primaries ... the ''sleazy politician'' award is leaning towards the GOP ............

"Sleazy Politician" Award....???....Do you really need the adjective there...???

Give me credit for ''Sleazy'' and not ''sleezy'' .................

Typical Rethug, some "family" values?

LOL!! Exactly MFloyd. Like this was suppose to be surprising. Party full of proven HYPOCRITES!!!!

Typical liberal pseudo-intellect.

Hmm.....sounds like someone can't handle the truth. You mad brah?!? LOLOLOLOL!

He's just a little bit ahead of the Republican push to redefine Rape is all.

@Sanka

I see you just joined. Troll much? If you're getting paid to spread such tripe I hope they ask for their money back. Typical conservative, can't do anything positive but lots negative.

Tell you what. Come back when you actually have a clue and want to do something positive for your party(?) and your country. You are a prime example of what is going so terribly wrong in this country.

@sanka44..You are living in a self-created nightmare. Please pay a professional to help you wake up. Voluntary ignorance in the presence of accurate information equals stupidity. Your level of dysfunction was made evident at the beginning of your first post when you tried to compare John Edwards' infidelity and potential campaign offenses to this guy's kidnapping and rape of a woman. Every comment after that was not worthy of a rational persons attention.

I feel badly for the woman involved as no one should be subjected to something like that.

On the other hand though I find it amusing that the trolls that were so quick to point fingers at the OWS protesters and spout that you don't see such bad behavior amongst teabaggers are now strangely silent.

What Sanka is missing is this: John Edwards' sexual infidelity at least involved CONSENTING adults. Although with Republicans working on redefining rape, I can see where the confusion lies.

Key word here "former". There are two prevelant falicies here.

1) Tea Party is always republican - WRONG less than half of the Tea Party is Republican.

March 17, 2012 (Lemon Grove)—Lemon Grove resident Michael John Kobulnicky, 50, a leader in the San Diego Tea Party and former regional director of the Southern California Conservative Party, is under arrest for allegedly kidnapping and raping a local woman on Fiesta Island.

2) People with sexual issues are more likely to be Republican - actually the numbers are quite even between the parties except the republican are blamed right away, whether or not the person was republican or not, just like the bulk of post here are doing.

Here we have Romney...

..."IF I WAS THE CEO OF A COMPANY WHO WOULD I HIRE?"

The United States isn't a company

This only made the headlines on MSNBC because of the jerk's affiliation with the TEA Party. I would like to think that everyone that comments on here really doesn't classify an entire movement by the actions of one or two people who do something really stupid & unlike the evangelical far right, TEA Partiers aren't necessarily people of the cloth or don't lean heavily on religious teachings.

Here is what the majority of TEA Partiers support:

1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)

2. Reject Cap & Trade

Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)

3. Demand a Balanced Budget

Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words — the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

6. End Runaway Government Spending

Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)

8. Pass an All-of-the-Above Energy Policy

Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)

9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)

10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)

What is your platform?

So Tea Party is NOT "Sexed Enough Already"?

FXSTC - your list would be credible if the rise of Tea Party didn't coincide with First Black President. Tea Party is the minority America that couldn't handle First Black President. Thankfully majority of Americans voted him in and WILL vote him in again in 2012.

If we had a balanced budget amendment in the Constitution since 1940, we couldn't have fought WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iran or Afghanistan. They were all fought with borrowing (deficit spending). Bush fought the Iraq war "off budget," meaning it was paid for totally with deficit spending that is now part of the deficit that President Obama must deal with.

@ PJ-1795048,

So the list isn't credible because we have a black president? I'm sorry, I didn't see anything racist in their manifesto nor can you say, with anything to back it up, that some portion of the TP didn't vote for Obama. The TP are not racists! The culprit here is the socialist/liberal/progressive mindset, not race & the TP formed right about the time when the liberals owned the presidency as well as the congress. I personally, as I suspect a lot of people, was hoping that having a black president would somehow bring us all together as countrymen period. Instead, it has divided us more along several different areas, including the constant comment that if you don't agree with the president's policies, you're automatically branded a racist....pathetic. This racist bull is, if it hasn't already, losing its impact & meaning.

@ Wilfred of Ivanhoe,

So you're only disputing the balanced budget amendment portion of the TP manifesto? If so, I'm certain that a lot of debate over a balanced budget vs wartime expenses could be in the offing.

PS: You may want to check out how much the deficit has grown since Bush left office.

do not judge a organization by the actions of one of it's members; Many years ago a Rabbi had 12 followers, one turned out to be a traitor, the organization went on to change the world, .

Actually, it seems to me that the guy left the Tea Party, so you can't blame the Tea Party, even if you want to. Of course, it's quite possible that he left to become a dem. So, in fact, this is just typical of the dems!

Nice job of a sensational title. Once the tar is applied, it can't be removed. Maybe there's a reason he's a FORMER spokesman.

Under GW it was spend baby spend which destroyed the economy of this nation but lined the pockets of big business like Haliburton on no bid contracts. You never heard one Republican demanding an investigation of the no bid contract to Haliburton nor a conflict of interest of the VP at that time in this nation's history. The country elects a black president and suddenly we have a say no Congress, a tea party of extreme right wings, a surge in Evangelicals and I could go on and on and on. Evangelicals are known for their non-integration rhetoric, the tea party has demonstrated its agenda many times over as that of a party line of restriction of spending. Where was the tea party when GW was spending the capital of this country's posterity for five or more generations? This all seems odd to me not to mention Norquist and his rhetoric and his political agenda. Yet we have the greatest recession in the history of this country that GW and his minions initiated and provided the impetus for a complete melt down of our economy. It is a proved fact that Wall Street has been on the positive side of growth under Democrats more so than the Republicans. Can this be in part due to the "trickle down" economics of Reagan? I would postulate that their is a causal relationship.

It always amazes me how quickly these discussions devolve.

Has been absent from his obligations for a while and the eventual legal removal of him from the group, is what stood out to me.

Tying him to a specific group to project discontent is dishonest.

@ saxon, are you loopy? There was NO jesus.. No god.. Nothing., Religions were created to control the masses. Plain and simple.

If you want to debate the merits of religion im ready. Religions divide and isolate people from learning about others. Religions keep you from learning about yourself and thinking for yourself. People who tend to be religious are very narrow-minded and most of the time very fake.

@ Deborah Cox, Willard said he wants to run America like its a corporation. If we elect the GOP in 2012, WW3 follows. Willard, Ricky and Newton all said they want to invade. Ricky wants to rule America with Judea-Christian Sharia law.

The TP and GOP will destroy America..

420 frees the mind: wow, first there are to many writings about a person called Jesus, written all within 20-30 years of his death ,Gnostic Bible, , Jewish scholars, etc.; what you believe he was is of course up to each person; as for religion, religion is a product of man attempting to explain the un-explainable, religions teach dogma, Jesus taught love and knowledge .

Two words MFloyd. They're small so easily understood.

Bill Clinton

420, the scientists who would disagree with you are too many to count. Most are not Christians.

@420: "Religions keep you from learning about yourself and thinking for yourself. People who tend to be religious are very narrow-minded and most of the time very fake."

Yes, Thomas Aquinas was a real phony moron. LOL. I think the Jesuits would explain that your the one who closed minded and uninformed. Plenty of atheists are pretty stupid people.

420 very well stated. It is a well known fact all religions were invented to control the masses to bring content by espousing a rhetoric of a "rich kingdom after death." As was once stated "Religion is the opiate of the masses" seems to be right on the money. The religious leaders hold a huge constituent at their beckoning and I will rest my case with the birth control nonsense we are witnessing at this very moment. In some instances you have well educated clerics leading the masses in the direction they want them to follow and then the Evangelical movement of the backwoods society that espouse militia movement, separation of races, and too many other ill conceived crap to mention. This is why the forefathers of this country put into place the Separation of Church and State clause. Too many good people throughout history have been murdered because of religion. Isn't it time to stop this nonsense?

420 is right. The bible counts on your ignorance, I believe they call it faith. If you go to you Father or Rabbi and tell them "Father, I'm having some doubts about what I read in the Bible" the first words out of their mouth will be "Don't think..." Don't think to deep into it, Don't think that way about it... I was Christian for 48 years until I read the Bible for myself. Group Bible Study is pure 'happy propaganda'. I now base everything on Reason, science, and fact. These concepts are foriegn to religious folk and conservatives. Religion hinders mans adventure. If Nobody questioned God, we would still be in the Dark Ages. Grow up people. God, Zeus, Allah, Peter Pan, Casper, Santa. They're all the same.

To Sanka44

So Prez O and Mitt Romeny aren't running for to be a CEO of a company, what in the world does that have to do with the fact that a woman was raped? Huh?

HEY! This is about an abduction and rape. It has nothing to do w/a person's political party.

Have any of you ever been really scared? In a position where you thought you might die?

Get some perspective and some compassion...

@Nibian your comment on the Dunning-Kruger effect left me laughing, I've still got the grin on my face! Even though I barely understood a word after "wow". I understood the sentiment though...thanks for the Sunday morning laugh.

@FXSTC and other tea party "intellectuals", a few observations. WTF does a "blue ribbon panel" even mean? Seriously, does it give it some extra credence calling it "blue ribbon"? Why not not just call it the super-duper ginormous universal panel?

Hearing folks rail on about the income tax being unconstitutional, to quote the brilliant film The Princess Bride: "I do not think that word means quite what you think it means." The Income Tax is a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, that means that it is ipso facto, E Pluribus Unum, caveat emptor, and a whole mess of other Latin words I don't know the meaning of--CONSTITUTIONAL! Get over it.

When you talk of dismantling "all Government health care", you are talking about the VA (so much for "support the troops"-fudge you dogface!), and Medicare, perhaps the most popular Government program--EVER!

You do realize, don't you, that earmarks (which, by-the-who, I don't agree with) don't increase spending by a penny. It just directs already authorized spending towards a specific project--both D and R "bridges to nowhere".

And a final snarky comment--I thought the Occupy movements were the sexual predators...too soon?

FXSTC - sorry. I didn't mean that list or you are racist. What I am saying is - the list is not credible since Tea Party never existed before Obama. So all those high principles (which I laud by the way) are not real.

If they were real, you would see many more independents and some dems flock to Tea Party - which is not happening - is it?

Sanka - What languages do you speak. Please rewrite one paragraph of your post in each of the three languages.

In other words, we don't believe you. An educated person would not say the things you have said. But someone paid to post might say such a thing to attempt to establish credibility.

420: Keep on smokin'!

Intellect: The great thing about freedom is that you can say whatever you want. You can call yourself "intellect" without out having any. I'm sure somewhere in your mind all the government spending and bankrupting of the country is a good thing. Just curious: Where has redistribution of wealth, taking from those who make it and giving it to those who don't, ever worked in the long run? Where has government control over everything ever worked? The fact is that when government runs everything, then the only ones who make out like bandits are those who are in control. And that's only because they rule by the end of a gun. Do you really think that government could produce all that this country has enjoyed for the last 200 years if individuals weren't rewarded for their efforts? In fact, it's easy to establish the hypocrisy of the liberal politicians. Whenever you come across one, just ask them if the believe that the rich should "share" their wealth with others just because others are not as fortunate as they are. If they say they should, then ask them why they haven't already, or better yet, ask them to share their wealth in equal share with all who are in the room. Any takers? Of course not! So much for believing the BS out of their mouths.

FXS,

The TP's words and actions do not match. You can say that's your agenda, however, the actions of TP members say something else entirely. We'll use number five, since it pretty much encompasses your whole agenda...

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Now, fiscal responsiblility????

1. If you adjust the numbers to the ones that appropriately reflect what happened in the economy after they were passed, the Treasury Department estimates that the Bush Tax Cuts cost us $2.6 Trillion, and repealing them would make the debt as a share of GDP under 50%, ergo it would be at a managble level. Why isn't it fiscally responsible for us to do this?

2. No where am I saying we shouldn't slow back on the spending. However, focusing solely on discretionary spending, while ignoring revenue and defense is not fiscally responsible. You make a case for why we should cut spending, you don't however answer this question. How is it fiscally responsible to only use 50% of the tools we have available to solve the debt issue?

3. Well how about Obama's, with the CBO and DOL has measured at creating between 2 million and 4 million jobs. In fact, if the Republicans at the state level hadn't gone on a cutting binge which has increased layoffs of state employees, coupled with the recent private sector growth we've seen, unemployment would have dropped considerably. So how is dramtically limiting spending, specifically, discretionary spending, fiscally responsible?

As for "limited government"...

4. In Helvering vs. Davis, SCOTUS held that the commerce clause granted the legislature plenary power to impose taxes and spend money on the general welfare of the citizens. They than reaffirmed that in South Dakota vs. Dole. The widely held view of the general welfare clause is now interpretated as Hamiltonian, meaning a broad enumerated power of the federal government to assist citizens and promote the general welfare through spending.

Social Issues???

5. Seeing as marriage as a contractual agreement pre-dating religion, as you said, the government should stay out of it, yet the TP doesn't want them to, do they, so I'll ask again, how is that limited government?

6. The abortion issue??? Accidents do happen and contraception does fail. Unless of course you think women shouldn't be allowed to have sex since they have the wombs???As soon as you prove to me, via science, that a first trimester fetus is a human being, "forcing a women to be pregnant", against her will I might add, is quite accurate. Specifically in cases of rape. How is having an abortion, the government taking care of someone??? Where on earth did you get that idea. Being pro-choice, is about having the PERSONAL CHOICE and the PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY TO HANDLE IT HOW THE CITIZEN SEES FIT, as opposed to the government telling you what you can/can't do, ergo it's about the government NOT taking care of you and staying out of it. And, AGAIN, you didn't answer how letting the government decide this issue is limiting it.

7. Spying on citizens? How are the TP backed laws, like those that place unwarranted suspicion on Muslims, Mexicans, and poor people, i.e. drug testing without probable cause, infiltrated religious organizations without probable cause, and holding people indefinitly until THEY prove THEIR innocent, limiting government??? As well as allowing for states to violate the supremacy clause and invade the jurisdiction of the Federal government laid out in our Constitution???

8. Voter ID's??? I've never said we didn't have a reason to indentify people who are voting, I said we didn't have an uber compelling state reason to INCREASE identification standards. Can you find me one, just one, non-partisan study that found a voter fraud rate higher than 1%? You can't. The current rate according to every federal investigation and non-partisan study shows it to be about .0002%, which is completely negligible. So what's the reason, that passes strict scrutiny, for making ID's for voting harder?

OK, so a 56 year old woman gets raped by a Tea Party member. Since the Tea Party is, by both groups actions, a central part of the Republican base, effectively the GOP is raping women, again.

Oh, and since this woman was raped, if the rape results in a pregnancy which would be high risk to the woman and the potential child, would the GOP even consider allowing her to abort this repugnant offspring ? For anyone other than Ron Paul (who as a real medical doctor who specialized in obstetrics and is the only person in the entire Congress who is at all qualified to make an opinion) the answer would be NO.

very well said!! Sanka just exemplified the teabagger mentality...couldn't have done a better job!

What the heck are "family values" anyway? When I was a child, the family with two moms had the most functional, most loving household, and all three kids are straight, hold jobs, and started families of their own once they reached adulthood.

Wow. That limb is really getting crowded.

BTW, blah blah blah

So, FXSTC, what were all those racist posters at those Tea Party events? Plants?

Oh now that has got to be one of the most lame ass ridiculous replies ther HML hahahaha. And we have to remind right wing ignorant trash like you that you're the ones who are abundant in shortcomings. Will be so wonderful to see you lose and lose big time in November :)

sanka44: Facts and references, please. Otherwise, that's a lot of drivel.

Planned Parenthood? You mean that organization that assists women with their healthcare needs that all the republicans seem to want to abolish?

Re Obama's closet: you don't think that this is the most investigated, vetted, spied upon person in the history of politics? Please share with us the "fantastic" stories you've heard and read (not those silly e-mails the teanuts send around to each other please - real, true stories).

@sanka44

Why are you comparing consensual adult sex(yes adultery, but consensual among two agreeing parties) to rape? Neither Roosevelt or Kennedy ran their platforms as holier than thou freaks like modern politicians do. People like you are amusing but dangerous. You people are the biggest hypocrites of all. You people say that life is sacred and that is why you oppose abortion, but once that fetus breathes on his/her own is a burden that you don't want to pay for. You don't hesitate a bit to kill other unborn or born children when it comes to foreign wars, to the contrary, you call them inferior animals that ought to be exterminated and rejoice on their spilled blood. You dehumanize those who oppose your delusional world view and narrow ways and call for them to be killed or to killed themselves. Didn't your Jesus calls you to love your enemies, leave the worldly luxuries in the name of your salvation? Instead of mending your mistakes you point to the faults of others in a lame attempt to feel morally superior. Again, didn't your Jesus said that you are going to be judge with the same intensity that you judge, that you should see and recognizing your own instead of your neighbors. If your politician is going to call people either perverts, immoral, etc. why are you surprise when people judge him when he commits a horrendous act like rape. You should look on the mirror and see your own shortcomings instead of blaming them on others. You should confront your fears and admit that beneath all that bravado talk there is a small person fearful of the outside that finds comfort in the sufferings of others.

Say what you want about JFK. In WWII he put is life on the line for this country, and almost lost it as that Japanese destroyer tore through his PT Boat. Jackie and President Kennedy are both dead. It takes a real tough guy to criticize and demean them, as they are unable to defend themselves against you trailer trash people.

Crystal,

Not relevant to this story--typical of the political suckups to divert attention from the issue at hand.

Long Live Progressive Liberals...Save this country from the arrogance and ignorance of the republican party. The party of religious zealots, the party of Bush the Destroyer, the party of all hail the rich and powerful, the party of women should shut-up and stay pregnant and subserviant, the party of economic and foreign policy morons. Democrats will win in November.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Kobulnicky iIS NOT A REPUBLICAN!

March 17, 2012 (Lemon Grove)—Lemon Grove resident Michael John Kobulnicky, 50, a leader in the San Diego Tea Party and former regional director of the Southern California Conservative Party, is under arrest for allegedly kidnapping and raping a local woman on Fiesta Island.

Sanka44, You are an angry, frustrated person. This is obvious to me because of your use of profanity (however you may alter it, I still hear it.) Please watch your mouth. Many of us really don't appreciate the language and find more acceptable vocabulary to express ourselves.

Sanka, WTF is wrong with YOU???

Crystal, Of course that is INSANE!

Sinclair, who is still alive, is 46, stands 5'7", and weights 168 pounds, according to arrest records. Colorado records list him with 13 aliases, including "Larye Vizcarra Avila" and "Mohammed Gahanan." His story has generally been ignored by the mainstream media, because he's been unable to substantiate his allegations.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html#ixzz1pTfRl8Dc

Only Kooks repeat such TRASH!

@Sanka44

Well sir, statistically the words that you use; the way you express yourself about the president, and other Democratic leaders as well as for the dehumanization of those who oppose you and the way you defend so viciously a man that RAPED a woman comparing it to adultery comes right from the Evangelical playbook. We all can pretend that we are the biggest success in the word since we are really anonymous in this forum, so I do not really care if you are the king of Montana. Your ideas and the way you express yourself do not sound like the kind of person that has a 20k library collection, unless of course everything is all about Rand, or other right wing dogma forger. You can say that you made millions of dollars or that you own half of Wyoming that does not make you intelligent not insightful. The only intelligence that you need to make money is to find stupider people to sell them anything. It is very hard when you refer to people as things and instead of condemning the action of this individual you defend him because you see yourself reflected on him(politically) so since you think yourself to be "good" and since conservatives are "good" therefore conservatives cannot be bad, right? that my friend is called cognitive resonance. What you should do is to live your own life and stop seeing yourself in other people. If you are as successful as you claim to be, and as intelligent as you claim to be, the first post out of your keyboard would had been, "I am a conservative libertarian and I do not condone the behavior of this man. He is a shame for us conservatives and he in no way represent our cause nor our values" as simple as that. Instead you are going on and on and on about Kennedy, Roosevelt et al and trying to convince us that Democrats are immoral and your people are not.

Yes, they will want her to bear his child, and when he's in prison not paying child support and she has to get public assistance, they will be calling her a welfare queen and wanting to cut off any public assistance she may be getting. I wonder if he's married with kids. Yep, family values at its greatest!

fed up X5 - You forgot about the part where they recommend she take asprin with her in her pocket whenever she ventures out of her house....

sanka44: you're a spanktard, very clearly - what in the hellfire does Edwards have to do with this? This is a RAPE case, idiot. Your head would probably explode, but - try staying on topic at LEAST.

sanka

WOW, I'm sorry you lost your aluminum hat. But please get back on your meds.

@sanka44...You keep talking about copying comments to newsvine and whining about your well deserved treatment on this site, yet it is every one of your comments that have been collapsed. Go figure

This has become a very toxic conversation between participants. Sanka44 is "feeling his/her Cheerios" and getting all caught up in the discourse and the power of seeing thoughts published for the whole world to see. However, it is backfiring and sanka44's conversation and arguments are not coming off as those of a rational, thinking person. Only one who has drank the Koolaid. I'm outta here!

Thank god she is post menopausal because if impregnated Rick Satorum would have told her to "just make the best of it".

Shame on this terrible woman for tempting upright Christian patriot Michael! She is a slut, as are all women! She did not have that aspirin locked tightly enough between her knees!

She is going to need a strong prosecutor on her side, because you have to know that Prince Charming's defense is gearing up to shred her in the courtroom.

Just Sayin'.........Very sound comment; the humorus approach included....I really hope there are listners.

Sanka...lots of people are sleaze balls, politics has nothing to do with it. That's why this is pertinent...because once again it proves that very point.

The reason that's important is because one political party has been lying and claiming that they have a moral high ground that they've never occupied. They have been duping their gullible followers into thinking that they are the only moral choice, that they stand against all the moral corruption...when the truth is...they are no better, and often, far worse. Democrats have certainly had their share of affairs and indiscretions, but kidnapping and rape is a tad more serious, don't you think?

Gotp values are no better than any other political party, (and significantly worse when you factor in their minority oppression) their morals are no better, their behavior is certainly no better...so all those claims are just tired old lies that only the willfully ignorant still believe. That's why this latest in a very, very long list of gotp scandals is worthy of comment....simply because, unlike democrats who have never claimed to be morally superior to anyone else, or claimed that only they understood family values or loved their country, the gotp has once again been caught in their lie that they were better than that.

It won't stop, of course. Every time this happens, they just throw the offending party off the bus and carry on as if their morals were untainted. But the rest of us aren't fooled, and sooner or later that bus is only going to have little old ladies and rush limbaugh on it (because no matter how many laws he breaks, or how disgustingly immoral he is...he is just too big to toss).

"Sanka" is just upset that he got another account banned by Newsvine. Strangely, he seems intent on drawing the moderators' attention again...

True Toasty....these people don't seem to realize that the reason they get the grief...is because they are pretending to be moral. They aren't any more moral than anyone else...and more often than not...a good deal less.

I think they are planning to allow him to continue speaking for them! Just not will the proceedings are going on. I guess it was just a coincidence that he was on subatical since january He just needed the time off for a little raped and such everyone needs that right.

Sanka, it's not who did what in this case. It is a matter of whose policies would treat this victim with the most humanity. Any victim should have the freedom to choose their future when they are raped. The GOP is pushing for her to have this baby regardless of the fact that it was not her choice under the guise of morality. Don't push your morality on others.

As a professor stated once in class, "We are all moral agents, you are not mine and I am not yours", pretty much sums it up. Too bad these Evangelicals do not follow their own teachings since they might not be too bad to be around. As it stands now I can never get enough distance between them and me.

Or just against one's conscience. These radicals have been drained of their morality.

Ohh delusional Sanka, you name a bunch of presidents and their affairs, but you forget to mention that none of them have actually been accused of rape. All of the sex they had was consensual. As in the woman agreed when they had sex, did not sue them even though they had all the power to do so. Then you go off speaking of morality based on emotions and the Bible, which is fine because that is all the values that Republicans have. Then you accuse Mrs. Obama of something based on suspicion, again, based on emotions. Wow, a 56 year old woman just got raped and the first thing that comes to your mind is all the Democrat presidents that committed adultery. Then you accuse Obama of having questionable friends... I am sure I can name some questionable friends of your man Romney.

Sank its obvious you have given this topic a lot of thought but:

Say what you will about me being a male chauvinistic wanting women to roll on hay even though I am from New York and probably never even seen hay in real life. That goes on to my second point, Hillary never @!$%#ed me.

"You know how completely inane and irrational you look to the world reading your completely ridiculous statements. You believe for one minute anyone with an iota of common sense is going to give you any credit for your statements? They are going to take them for exactly what they are."

The "up" votes speak for themselves. Look at how many people voted my statements over yours. Its either they along with myself are laking common sense. Or maybe its you who is lacking common sense as you look "inane" and irrational.

"You liberals are so indoctrinated and reading from the same script that you forget where you left off and just need the prompter and%

Disregard my last comment time ran out.

And what exactly do you have against Reverend Wright, Sanka? More importantly, what does it have to do with a Tea Party spokesman up on sexual assault charges?

Sanka, since you obviously don't know how sex works (you're a Republican so how could you?) I'll explain it to you. Consensual sex = Good, Nonconsensual sex = bad. Sex with a willing partner or partners = good, Forcing sex on a unwilling partner = bad. Rape fantsay gaming with a willing partner = good, Actual criminal rape = bad. BTW you left at least two presidents that had sex outside their marriages off your list Warren G. Harding and Dwight David Eisenhower. Oh I forgot they were Republicans.

Who are we kidding all politicians have committed adultary isn't that the way you become a politician. by screwing everyone? Just wondering.

Sanka and everyone else check out a documentary on 9/11 called loose change its on net flix it really makes you wonder what the truth is.

And what exactly do you have against Reverend Wright, Sanka? More importantly, what does it have to do with a Tea Party spokesman up on sexual assault charges?

It's called "diverting attention". It is a common Teapublican tactic, when one of their own is accused of misconduct, they bring out stories, unsubstantiated rumors, and even outrageous lies about misbehavior on the opposing side, to divert attention away from misdeeds on "their side". Sanka has mastered that art. Well, sort of, the minor scandals he mentions pale in comparison to kidnapping and rape charges. Moreover, it leaves him wide open to pointing out all the other scandals on "his side", like, you know, "Hiking the Appalachian trail" Sanford, "Wide stance" Craig, "Madam's List" Vitter, "Pageboy" Foley, "Third wife mistress" Gingrich, etc.

sanka44: please quit the racist rants. Not sure who Obummer is. The leaders of our country are to be addressed as President, as in President Obama. Thank you.

Regarding the president's race: please give us the reference where he claimed to be the offended race. In case you're not aware, it's white people who have always insisted (sometimes officially) that if a person has one drop of black blood, he/she is considered to be black. BTW, his mother didn't raise him; his grandparents did. There's actually a book where the president tells his life story. You might pick it up at the library.

Ohh Sanka why must I keep commenting on your biggoted posts. You do know where the world "Mullato" comes from right? Check the etymology on the word. Calling anyone a mulatto is basically calling them a mule. You might as well call our president the N word. As I remember he was raised mostly by his grandmother no his mother. He can call himself what ever race he likes. The only thing worng in the odor is with biggoted people like you tyring to smell his odor. And about those rape cases, they all fell apart, why don't you actually find some evidence with those statments.

How much you want to bet the foreign object was a gun?

Oh, be still my beating heart. inSaneka44 is going to "spend days" uncovering "facts" about Obama. Just in case it was lost on you inSaneka44, just remember, "facts" are things that are independently verifiable, not accusations just made up to further your screed. Oh, "independently verifiable" means someone else, with an entirely different, preferably unbiased point of view could find the same information, without having to buy into some made up theory. By "made up," that means... oh, why bother. Have some tinfoil. I hope the Secret Service keeps an eye on you.

Sanka, you asked why President Obama refers to himself as black. If he moved next door to you would you go to the next meeting and say a dam mulatto next to me? I think you would say a dam, oh nevermind we all know what you would say.

The guy has a definite mental deficit and a problem with people of all color or so it seems. I would never want him in my neighborhood. Diversity guarantees we will never die out like a homogeneous society would. A well proved ecological fact. All one has to do is look at a lawn of one grass which is always hit by drought, infestations and other maladies whereas a diverse stand will always survive to live another day.

Me either! Women of our country will get up, stand up, for our rights. It will be a new day.

If you are a woman and proud to be one vote those republicans out off office (believe or not I actually mean congress). They believe you are second class to me a male.

Is that what the bagger idiot said to this woman right before he raped her..and don't forget, it's on security footage and he was identified, so he can't lie and say he didn't commit the rape! "I'm raping you so you will take some personal responsibilty"....do you hear yourself? Do you really believe that crap spewing out of your mouth?????

HNL, "making cheap political points"? Really? The Tea Party makes cheap political points all the time and this guy was one of their big shots? But we can't critizise him, BS. Creepy, sexually diviant Tea Bags, prime example of what's wrong with your side.

Sanka, quit sniffing the ether, makes you stupid :) You keep barfing out the usual right wing yearbook replies to cold hard facts. I know the truth hurts but ya gotta deal with it there, no matter how much you hate yourself. But do continue to post your laughable posts, gives us all a clear picture of the trash of this country and why your candidate will have his ass handed to him on a plate come November :)

HNL if this was anyone else, maybe there might have been a "wanted" news. But, he is a famous man, people know who he is. He is a prominent member of his party. This isn't cheap political points, it is like finding a powerful CEO, Congressman, or Julian Assange of rape.

HNL, you cannot have it both ways. Tea Party candidates are openly, happily planning to legislate the nation's personal morality, at the cost of anything resembling privacy, dignity, or respect for others. They make no secret of despising women, gays, straight men who disagree with them, and even children whose families aren't wealthy or white enough to fit the Tea Party demographic.

So when an especially aggressive Tea Partier sexually assaults a woman -- yes, that is the extreme reflection of that degrading mentality. Put up or shut up.

Once more sanka44 - this is RAPE case: it has nothing to do with Edwards fathering a child while not being married to the mother.

You know - you're so bloody hung up on Edwards that I'm beginning to wonder just what you're problem is. Have you some fantasies about Edwards, by chance?

Sanka is probably from a place which has turned from "blaming the blacks" to "blame the Democrats."

People are so off topic here! It isn't a Democrat vs. Republican debate. It's about a man who had some sever mental issues, (Hatred of Women, Need to Dominate, would be my guess,) who acted out based on said issues. The fact that he has associated himself and his belief system with the Teaparty is significant when you look at what the Teaparty is doing through State Legislatures and Congress. They are pursuing an anti-woman agenda.

Sanka's just been confronted with the true face of the Tea Party. It's understandable that he'd lash out in every direction in his frustration. I had a very similar reaction when I was ten years old and I found out that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father.

Naturally, if this guy got one of his victims pregnant, the Tea Party Movement he represents would also like their "limited government" to force her at gunpoint to have the baby.

Correct, Toasty, right after forcing her to have the transvaginal ultrasound, or, shall we say, the re-rape.

I thought teabaggers just finished drafting a bill on stoning ...as opposed to the other more civilised death penalty methods.

That's the whole thing sanka, us dems don't care if our presidents are good Christians, we only care if they are good presidents.

@sanka44...Man you sure do have a one track mind. You have a script and you stick to it. For clarity, let's stipulate that the infidelities of those you love to mention may be true. The main flaw with your analogy is that the democrats are not the ones who claim to be morally superior, preaching holier than thou values and kissing the ass of the religious zealots. That is the republicans territory. So it is more relevant when they get caught in their hypocracy.

sanka: Swaggart and co. from your perfect evangelical pastors. They were perfect too right??? Beat you over the head with the bible whilst picking your pockets with the other hand. Oooooooooops......

Amen. Do you know how to get the hands in front of the Oral Roberts Campus to open? Flip it a nickel. By the way the Lord never did come and get Oral Roberts when he did not make his million dollar mark back in the nineties. Got to love the moral right like the Oral Roberts graduate Michele Bachman.

Speaking about good Christian living, you forgot to mention. Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton all had great family values? Huh?

Compared to a rapist, yes. Please note that all of your "examples" remained married and devoted to their spouses and their children, in spite of any indiscretions.

Gingrich, on the other hand...

And nothing has changed since twenty minutes ago. I still can't wait. The American people have finally seen how radical and dangerous the monster they elected into office in 2010 is, and there's going to be a HUGE backlash at the ballot box. We've seen the Tea Party's true face. It came at the cost of civil rights, but I think America finally learned its lesson from 2010. Hopefully we'll never make that nightmare of a mistake again.

Sanka, why are you still here? I thought somebody would have taken out the trash by now. Ypu're nothing but a worthless troll. BEGONE TROLL! Take your hate and leave. You're dragging down property values here.

Since the treasury outlook is so bleak, why don't those churches start paying taxes? Did the pastors sign those bleeding upside-down tax pledges too?

Apparently separation of church and state does not include taxes.

Religion IS a business and The Religion Business should pay taxes like any business.

Vote them out of congress too!!!!

Lordy Lordy, Fox on the right and MSNBC on the left. Whatever happened to fair and balanced? Guess some are too dumb to perceive.

LordPyrinc: You're right that the commentators on both Fox and MSNBC offer their own political views. However, in general, MSNBC doesn't lie and they very often have guests that bring differing views to the table.

I don't recall MSNBC ever making a claim that they were a "totally neutral" station nor have I heard them use the supposedly 'fair and balanced' speel that the other network you mentioned does.

As far as PBS - I was watching PBS when one of their talk show hosts ripped into one Rupert Murdoch. What did he say - that Murdock "is to propriety what the Marquis de Sade is to chastity". Right!

Oh no- nothing politically leaning on PBS at all....

<snigger>

Watch BBC world news, the closest thing you will find that does not have panelists trying to sway your mind atleast about America anyway.

I agree with Phenomenal. Get your news from multiple sources. BBC is a great way to see how other countries and our allies are viewing the events in the United States.

Sanka you don't thing being a top notch lawyer, a congeressman, and president are fantastic jobs with outrageous salaries? Wow you must be living the good life.

Sanka44: You're starting to grate on our nerves. Where in the heck are getting this info? You really need to read a bit. Who got our president into Columbia and Harvard? HE DID. You're so filled with hate, you must have missed the fact that he's quite bright. The president was pursued - he worked at a large finance corporation in global finance and then at a public interest research group. After law school - graduating magna cum laude (you certainly have heard about his being the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review), he worked at two of Chicago's largest and most influential law firms, and then joined a smaller firm that specializes in civil rights litigation (11 yrs). For 12 years, Barack Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, one of our best schools. In addition, he served on the boards of directors of several foundations. It seems he didn't necessarily go for the jobs that offered huge salaries, but rather ones that made a difference in our world. Is that enough for you?

Nothing will be good enough for him.

He's worked since he graduated school, Crystal. And community organizing means working with the poor. But I wouldn't expect you to let facts get in the way of your closed mind anyway.

So, the teabagger is a fine, educated, rapist who's good at sports...oh, that's wonderful...!!!

Nah, Sanka...do your own research. Seems like you have plenty of spare time.

Better yet, get a job.

Don't believe that Human Resource Management includes rape...just sayin'.

On the other hand, if a woman wants an abortion, they're perfectly willing to 'officially' rape her.

very few of the conservatives that I have met over the years, would be classified as really good role models for our children. the majority however, were all hypocrites that's one of the reasons I left the RC church. They all were self righteous in their hatred of minorities and women...and claimed the Bible backed them up....well, sort of, the OT. So they were not living there life under the new covenant that JC talked about...and JC told his disciples to wipe the hands and feet of them God the father will judge them at the proper time and they shouldn't.

We get it, your a Right Wing Conservative and you hate Democrats. In your repetitive rage that you are so blinded by, your selective memory has overlooked what I just pointed out for you: Republicans are the "Family Values" party (self touted by the way). Nowhere did I state that Democrats have never had their own issues. But it seems that you are fixated on pointing out one side while totally ignoring the facts of another. You seem to have a lot of built up anger issues ;) Might want to see someone about that before you have a stroke.

Isn't it a bit odd ...that sanka's obvious pent-up frustrations seem to center around Edwards? It seems rather strange to me that this is the topic over and over, regardless of the post they answer too. A bit ....fixiated....it seems.

@Alex the Blade

Who know? Sanka might have had an "on topic" encounter with Edwards, and now blames all democrates for that. Someone please collapse this comment.

Sanka you would go that far... tsk tsk tsk.

True, true: but one party certainly shouts out that they are 'morally superior' to everybody and that this is why they should be running the country, etc. etc. {we are the party of morality/we have been voted into office ergo we have a 'mandate from God'/we have M Foley... okay, perhaps not the last} I don't hear that out of the other bunch of morons. So when you're going on and on (incesantly to be exact) about your superior morality -and then there is an incident like this where the leadership of the "too gooders" get caught - they appear MORE morally bankrupt than they would look if they would just admit that they .....act like 'normal' humans in the first place instead of making all of those heavenly claims.

sanka44 Go astroturf somewhere else troll. I won't be crossing your bridge. LOL!

sanka44 - be careful with that hate stuff - it can be so corrosive it destroys the vessel that contains it. As far as your claims about speaking four languages - I notice you can't even spell the President's name correctly in English - thus putting a a big red clown nose and invalidating anything you may or may not have to say.

I bet Sanka's mommy doesn't know he's using the computer.