Using 'unholy water,' Florida atheists scrub away blessing from local road

LAKELAND, Fla. -- A group of atheists in Polk County have scrubbed away a holy oil blessing placed on a local highway a year ago by a religious group.

Armed with brooms, mops and "unholy water," the atheists gathered Saturday to symbolically clean up the holy oil that a group called Polk Under Prayer (PUP) spread on Highway 98 near the Pasco-Polk county line last year, Tampa-St. Petersburg TV station Bay News 9 reported.


"We come in peace,” Humanists of Florida (HFA) director Mark Palmer shouted to crowd, according to News 9. “Now that's normally what aliens say when they visit a new planet, but we're not aliens, we're atheists!"

Palmer told CBS Tampa that the group’s major issue was with a billboard posted nearby by the Christian Churches of Polk County and PUP that boldly displays photos of Lakeland Mayor Gow Fields, Polk County School Board Superintendent Dr. Sherrie Nickell and Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd.

“If it were just some church blessing a road, that’s not a big deal – churches can do what they want,” Palmer told the station. “The point of [the demonstration] was to protest the co-mingling of church and state.”

Another HFA official, its president, Ellen Beth Wachs, told CBS Tampa that “We simply want Polk County to realize that … there are many different types of world views out there, and they need to open county borders to all of the people.

'Other types of faith'
“We understand that Christians have their way of life, and we’re not trying to take it away from them,” Wachs added. “But they need to realize that there are many other types of faith, and people of non-faith as well.”

Scott Wilder, director of communications for the Polk County Sheriff’s Office, told CBS Tampa that Sheriff Judd and other officials were not involved with the highway blessing ceremony.

“None of them had anything to do with it – the sheriff, the mayor, or the superintendent,” he emphasized.

PUP director Richard Geringswald told the station that his group had been “praying for that entryway in to the city, that God would protect us from evildoers, mainly the drug crowd, that they would be dissuaded to come in to the county.".

But HFA officials said it makes them feel unwelcome.

"It sends a very bad signal to everyone in Polk County, and (anyone) who travels through Polk County who doesn't happen to be Christian,” Palmer told Bay News 9, “This event is not about atheist rights; this is about welcoming everybody into Polk County."

Prayer bricks
According to the station, the groups have maintained an ongoing feud, with the atheists also unhappy with prayer bricks engraved with Psalm 37 that PUP members buried along Interstate 4 and various other roadways leading in to the county.

“Mainly, we want this to be a safe haven for folks who want to raise their families,” PUP’s Geringswald told WFTS-TV. “Asking God’s protection from ne’er do wells and evil doers.”

The website for Frank Smith Ministries, which took part in the 2011 holy oil ceremony, explained how the blessing administered by PUP would work.

“Its objective is to place Holy Angels at all roads that lead into or out of Polk County,” the blog post said. “A strip of anointed oil has been placed over all lanes of highway at the county line and a prayer has been given at each location asking God to have angels inspect every vehicle that travels into or out of this county and to bring under conviction to those who seek evil and we asked God to bring them to a state of submission and repentance.”

The post added, “If they will not submit to God’s way of living, then the prayer is to have them incarcerated or removed from the county.”

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The church has no right to put prayer bricks on government right of ways or bless public roads. TtThey should keep their fatih on their own property.

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Reply#1 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

RE: "We come in peace," Humanists of Florida director Mark Palmer announced before he and members of other atheist organizations launched their cleanup. "Now that's normally what aliens say when they visit a new planet, but we're not aliens, we're atheists!" Isn't that just before the aliens start shooting up the place; is there some deeper meaning here? Curious minds want to know.

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Reply#2 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:02 PM EDT
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Isn't there a statute that prohibits anything but feathers and clean water to be left on a roadway? Regardless of whether the oil was 'blessed' or not, isn't oil the very LAST thing anyone should be permitted to put across lanes of a highway? Burying prayer bricks is one thing (out of sight, out of mind) but oiling a roadway should be an offense. I understand that they weren't emptying buckets of Wesson onto the road surface, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and it isn't a line of oil. It seems negligent at worst, ridiculous at best. And shame on that church for presuming to tell their YHWH where to place his angels... even by Christian standards, their god cannot be coerced.

    Reply#3 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:15 PM EDT
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    Hey again Digman!

    “Okay Nodachi: here's my response. My comments are placed inside parenthesis in-between your paragraphs.”

    Gotcha.

    “This argument is flawed. It is not simply one that is “appealing” it is one that uses what can be observed in order to draw conclusions. Appealing has nothing to do with it, only logic and reason, not emotion or personal preference.”

    Yes, I agree totally; it’s totally flawed. But hold on a second: it’s your flawed argument; not mine. You said “Atheists don't believe in a magic man in the sky because there are better ways to explain our surroundings.” As I correctly pointed out, you didn’t say based on fact, evidence, truth, or whatever but merely “better”. Am I holding you to what you say? Yeah, just as you’d do – if you want to have a serious fact based discussion that is.

    “Of course we base our unbelief on science, among other things!”

    Okayyyyy, you got me, what other things? I know that science is based upon empirical evidence so if it’s not are you saying the “other things” are…fairy tales?

    “Because science and reason is probable, based, and conclusive.”

    Whoa!!!!! What in the world are you talking about here? LOL!!!!

    “ It is the method humans use to understand our surroundings.”

    I’ll be generous and suppose you’re talking about science but as I pointed out, science is based on empirical or pragmatically arrived at evidence.

    “ You are incorrect.”

    Yeahhhhh, I already know you think so but hey, everybody has the right to be wrong. Lol!!!

    “ There were never bona fide arguments based with follow up evidence that proved smoking was good for you or cocaine was good for curing alcoholism. “

    Ahhhh come on dude, that’s an easy one. In fact, I’ll make it easy for you so you don’t even have to research it: just watch the History Channel sometimes and they’ve done all the research for you. <GRIN>

    “Also, if I recall correctly, it was a scientist who discovered that the world was round rather than flat, and that the earth revolved around the sun.. Seems like religious groups were the ones that were banning this view, and were stubborn in saying that the world was flat! Haha. This can be shown in several instances throughout the Bible. So, those are weak arguments. That last statement in your paragraph is absurd and destroys your argument.. Seems like you are fond of using “LOL”.”

    Oh me oh my!!!! That Digman is just so, so brilliant there’s just simply nothing I can say!!!!! LOL!!!!! Tell me this: was your unnamed scientist who finally discovered the earth was round born anytime after B.C.E. as in A.D.? If so, he was a dollar late and a day short buddy. Scripture clearly stated God sat above the “circle” (you know those round things?) a few centuries B.C. (E.). And yes your implication the “church” taught the earth was flat and there were other such errors taught by those in responsible positions but hey, lets be fair, and place blame where it rightfully belongs. And please show me where the Bible states anywhere that the world is flat. You can’t because it doesn’t say that - but the opposite. <GRIN>

    “Actually, I do know that my brain is capable of all those functions. And there are many good reasons and explanations as to how it is capable of these functions. And, I do know who my parents are and that can be proven through a simple test.”

    Ahhhhhh my, my!!!! You’re really impressive!!!! So I'm to believe you were born with this knowledge of the function of your brain!!??!! And you remember being born so you even know for certain who your parents are without depending upon input from anyone else!!??!! Man!!! Surely I’m conversing with a giant among men!!!! Unfortunately, as I pointed out in my previous post, the rest of lowly humanity is dependent upon input from our environment (culture). I mean how else would know what the significance of “test” results are. But hey, you say you know because you trust what somebody tells you the DNA test results mean. LOL.

    “Seems like you are fond of using “LOL”.

    Yeah I do!!!! I guess you’d find it much easier if I had a long, depressed face and was walking around saying, “REPENT!!! REPENT!!!” like on television. LOL!!!! Well the truth is, I’m pretty happy. I have ups and downs like everybody in this life but what makes my perspective different is I know that this isn’t the only life because I know for a fact that I know God personally, and so I know when I die I get to live forever with Him. I mean eternal life!!??!! That’s pretty good in my book, so why should I be upset or depressed by people who don’t believe? Nope, it’s funny to me how ridiculous the arguments are that are used by people who desperately wish to prove Somebody I know personally doesn’t exist!!! And how with just a smidgen of investigation, their high sounded arguments are empty and quite foolish! But hey, don’t waste your time getting mad at me for being happy; you should be spending your time living it up for this relatively very brief time in this life since you’re dead set against getting eternal life.

    “Atheists speak for science, evidence-based thinking, and reason because that makes sense. Religion doesn't make "sense".

    Lol!!! Yeah, we’ve already covered science and “evidence-based thinking but surely you not saying simply because something – in this case what you call “religion” – doesn’t make sense, makes it wrong! Wow. Many things “don’t make sense” but they work. Why should you be able to remember things with your brain which operates on chemicals and electricity? Actually though I’m not interested in religion any more than you are but I am connected with a Person and that’s the difference.

    “The idea that there is a magical being that created everything in a couple days, a couple thousand years ago is SO absurd that it is incredible that people still believe this story. I can see how our ancestors used religion to explain the unknown when they had no way of understanding their surroundings. But today, we have ways to understand these things, and religion should be obsolete by now. Turns out, if people want to believe in something, they will continue to believe it no matter how absurd or silly it really is. Also, religion provides comfort or hope for the future that science or facts can't provide. “

    WHOA!!!! Now that’s truly profound!!!! Did you think that up yourself!!??!! I’ve never heard anyone say that before!!!! I was totally wrong!!!! You’re right!!!!!

    LOL.

    Tchau. ; )

      Reply#4 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

      Hey, Nadoachi27. You commented on the wrong page.. That is why I haven't seen this. I was commenting on http://now.msn.com/now/0318-atheists-unbless-highway.aspx?_p=06d583ea-72e5-4375-be86-e263464b3d5f

      Anyways, This is the "Digman" only I have a different name on this page. If you are interested in posting this on the other page, I would be happy to continue where we left off.. But, you kind of missed out on the entire debate. I wrapped it up with about 12 other opponents.. And, I won. ;) Why would you post it on this page?? I never had the chance to see this.

        #4.1 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

        Haha, wow Nadoachi! I just took a minute to read through your comment. Once again, I am amazed at what you call an "argument".. I can destroy every point you presented without difficulty. Simply, because your arguments are unbased and incorrect! Throughout the bible their are instances that describe the world as flat. Also, (in case you didn't know), a circle is a 2 dimensional object. A circle is flat. But, a sphere is not. Get your facts straight buddy. Anyways, I would be more than happy to respond to your comment, and dissect it word by word. I am sure I could easily topple all your arguments like I did with your previous comment, and with all the others that tried to debate against me. ;) But, I would like confirmation that you are still looking at this comment board, and that you are ready. I don't want to take the time to respond if you have forgotten about this post. So, post your comment to http://now.msn.com/now/0318-atheists-unbless-highway.aspx?_p=06d583ea-72e5-4375-be86-e263464b3d5f, and I will respond. You can see my other comments there as well. ;) I just ended the discussion with the final opponent yesterday. I'll be waiting.

          #4.2 - Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:43 AM EDT
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          Devil is alive, well and living in Florida

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          Reply#5 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

          Aliens, atheists.....same thing. Both freaks.

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          Reply#6 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:06 PM EDT

          It's amazing how most Atheist believe they are the spokesperson for other religions. Also I need the Atheist in the article to choose: do they believe or do they not believe? You cannot say you do not believe and use water, broom and soap to scrub anointing oil place on a highway. Clearly, they must believe it works and that is why they want to remove it. And folks, highways are not clean. Many want to remove anointing oil, yet few raise their hands when it comes to picking up the cigarette butts, bottles, dead animals, & other litter on the road.

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          Reply#7 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:15 PM EDT

          I guess being an atheist and persecuting christians is the new "cool" thing to do. A true atheist wouldn't give a rats a** one way or the other if a christian group blessed a highway. These self proclaimed atheists aren't denying the existence of God if they feel the need to wash a blessing off of a highway. Sounds rather hypocritical to me.

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          #7.1 - Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:40 PM EDT
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          Angels stopping cars ? What PROBABLE CAUSE ? Christians are Un-Constitutional !

          Too many Christians, too few lions !

            Reply#8 - Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:19 PM EDT

            The post added, “If they will not submit to God’s way of living, then the prayer is to have them incarcerated or removed from the county.”

            Typical religious zealots, think as we say or go to prison.


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            Reply#9 - Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:23 AM EDT

            I guess atheist are afriad it might work so they are taking it off because they want the drugs to come into the place, so funny. If they don't believe why are they so afraid of the blessing? The comment about government is just a smoke screen to get there 15 minutes of fame as thats all they have, it has to be such a shallow life without GOD or purpose. I'm sure the others on here with no purpose will attack my statements, GOD loves you even if you don't believe and he is waiting on you to find him, you are not alone!

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            Reply#10 - Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:12 AM EDT

            You know. I don't belong to any religion, and I have strong doubts about whether there is a God or not. But one thing I do believe in, is that everyone has the right to believe or not believe. I may not. But I will never get in anyone's face about the existence of God. I am willing to have an intelligent discussion about the subject though, as long as everyone can keep their composure. Real die hard Atheists, should go about your business and just ignore those who have strong beliefs one way or another. You create disharmony by employing methods that are confrontational. Leave it alone!

              Reply#11 - Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:01 PM EDT

              Atheism is the mere lack of a belief of any god. What they did was something very near to religion. They argue that religion is a poison, yet they preach it like it is one.

              Don't get me wrong, I may be a catholic, but I view atheism as interesting because they do have key points that members of my own church sadly lack. I don't know about other religion, but my teachers and my catholic school always said that:

              Religion = belief in God

              Atheism = does not believe in God

              Science = Knowledge

              Math = Language of science

              No argument with each other whatsoever.

                Reply#12 - Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:43 AM EDT
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